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1. 02:21 AM - Re: Tunnel Temps (Russell Daves)
2. 03:50 AM - Re: Tunnel Temps (Larry Rosen)
3. 06:32 AM - Re: Tunnel Temps (Russell Daves)
4. 06:43 AM - -10's for sale in quantity, available today (Tim Olson)
5. 07:17 AM - Elevator bucking bar (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com)
6. 07:17 AM - Re: -10's for sale in quantity, available today (Russell Daves)
7. 07:34 AM - Re: Elevator bucking bar (James Hein)
8. 07:42 AM - Re: Elevator bucking bar (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com)
9. 08:33 AM - Elevator bucking bar Price (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com)
10. 08:35 AM - Re: Tunnel Temps (David Hertner)
11. 08:35 AM - Re: -10's for sale in quantity, available today (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com)
12. 08:53 AM - Re: -10's for sale in quantity, available today ()
13. 09:11 AM - Re: -10's for sale in quantity, available today (James Hein)
14. 09:55 AM - Re: -10's for sale in quantity, available today (John Lenhardt)
15. 09:55 AM - Re: My Oshkosh Report ()
16. 11:35 AM - Re: -10's for sale in quantity, available today (Russell Daves)
17. 11:35 AM - Re: Tunnel Temps (Russell Daves)
18. 11:37 AM - Re: Tunnel Temps (Russell Daves)
19. 12:15 PM - Re: -10's for sale in quantity, available today (David Maib)
20. 12:20 PM - Re: Crossbow / Pinpoint News (Mike Smith)
21. 12:58 PM - Re: -10's for sale in quantity, available today (John Lenhardt)
22. 01:25 PM - Re: -10's for sale in quantity, available today (Kelly McMullen)
23. 03:32 PM - Re: Crossbow / Pinpoint News (Tim Olson)
24. 03:33 PM - Re: Crossbow / Pinpoint News (Tim Olson)
25. 04:01 PM - Re: -10's for sale in quantity, available today (Pascal)
26. 06:30 PM - Re: OSH Update 7/23/06 (Jesse Saint)
27. 06:30 PM - Re: OshKosh __Tunnel heat (Jesse Saint)
28. 06:33 PM - Re: OSH Update 7/28/06 (Jesse Saint)
29. 06:39 PM - Re: Tunnel Temps (Steven DiNieri)
30. 06:39 PM - Re: Elevator bucking bar (Carl Froehlich)
31. 07:25 PM - Re: OshKosh __Tunnel heat (Mark Ritter)
32. 08:30 PM - Re: -10's for sale in quantity, The plot thickens (Deems Davis)
33. 08:51 PM - Delta Hawk engine for -10 (DAVE LEIKAM)
34. 08:56 PM - Finish Wheel pant/Fairings Before engine (ddddsp1@juno.com)
35. 10:29 PM - Re: Oshkosh Alternative Engine Summary + 900x + RV12 (Brian Douglas)
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| Subject: | Re: Tunnel Temps |
Used Super Soundproofing Thermal Aluminum faced fire retardant foil one
side insulator blanket from "The Super Soundproofing Company"
http://www.soundproofing.org/cgi-bin/cart.pl?
I bought six feet and had enough.
I also bought twelve feet of 1/2" soundproofing for the floors and side
panels from Wicks
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_search_results.php/search=
c3AtNTAw
Russ Daves
40044 - N710RV Flying
----- Original Message -----
From: KiloPapa
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tunnel Temps
Russ,
What kind of foil faced insulation did you use? What was the actual
insulating material? Where did you buy it?
Thanks,
Kevin
40494
----- Original Message -----
From: Russell Daves
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 6:11 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tunnel Temps
Second flight today in N710RV. Checked the forward tunnel area for
high temps. Used the bare leg method. Stuck my bare left leg up
against the tunnel wall and held it there for at least five minutes. No
problem, even confirmed after landing that I still had hair on my leg
(just in case my 33 month build had killed the nerves in the leg and I
didn't feel the heat).
After hearing all the tunnel heat issues raised in the posts I did
the following:
1. Bought a roll of engine gasket material at NAPA and cut out
gaskets to install between the firewall and the heat vent boxes. (Don't
remember for sure but I think this tip came from Tim Olson as 90% of the
my help tips have - Thanks Tim).
2. Installed an RTV gasket around the inside of the heat vent
doors after install by beading the RVT around the opening, placing a
piece of wax paper over the RTV and closing the door with the cable.
After setup of the RTV I removed the wax paper and re-closed the door.
(Install tip from Jesse Saint - Thanks Jesse).
3. RTV'ed around the outside of each heat vent box.
4. Installed foil faced insulation on the bottom of the tunnel
floor and over the inside of the firewall (used this method on my RV-6A
firewall after it was built and it made a huge difference). I did not
build a false floor in the tunnel, only put the insulation up to the
edge of the fuel flow transducer and fuel pump.
5. Installed sound proofing foam insulation under the floor and
on the sidewalls.
Hope these tips help.
By the way N710RV flies like a dream. Working on wheel pants and
gear leg fairings between flights.
Russ Daves
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| Subject: | Re: Tunnel Temps |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Any more details on the engine gasket material you used?
Larry Rosen
#356
N205EN - Doors
Russell Daves wrote:
> Second flight today in N710RV. Checked the forward tunnel area for
> high temps. Used the bare leg method. Stuck my bare left leg up
> against the tunnel wall and held it there for at least five minutes.
> No problem, even confirmed after landing that I still had hair on my
> leg (just in case my 33 month build had killed the nerves in the leg
> and I didn't feel the heat).
>
> After hearing all the tunnel heat issues raised in the posts I did the
> following:
>
> 1. Bought a roll of engine gasket material at NAPA and cut out
> gaskets to install between the firewall and the heat vent boxes.
> (Don't remember for sure but I think this tip came from Tim Olson as
> 90% of the my help tips have - Thanks Tim).
>
> 2. Installed an RTV gasket around the inside of the heat vent doors
> after install by beading the RVT around the opening, placing a piece
> of wax paper over the RTV and closing the door with the cable. After
> setup of the RTV I removed the wax paper and re-closed the door.
> (Install tip from Jesse Saint - Thanks Jesse).
>
> 3. RTV'ed around the outside of each heat vent box.
>
> 4. Installed foil faced insulation on the bottom of the tunnel
> floor and over the inside of the firewall (used this method on my
> RV-6A firewall after it was built and it made a huge difference). I
> did not build a false floor in the tunnel, only put the insulation up
> to the edge of the fuel flow transducer and fuel pump.
>
> 5. Installed sound proofing foam insulation under the floor and on
> the sidewalls.
>
> Hope these tips help.
>
> By the way N710RV flies like a dream. Working on wheel pants and gear
> leg fairings between flights.
>
> Russ Daves
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tunnel Temps |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Russell Daves" <dav1111@cox.net>
Just ask at any auto parts store for a roll of engine gasket material. It
comes in about 8 inch by 24 inch roll I think.
Russ Daves
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 5:46 AM
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> Any more details on the engine gasket material you used?
> Larry Rosen
> #356
> N205EN - Doors
>
> Russell Daves wrote:
>> Second flight today in N710RV. Checked the forward tunnel area for high
>> temps. Used the bare leg method. Stuck my bare left leg up against the
>> tunnel wall and held it there for at least five minutes. No problem,
>> even confirmed after landing that I still had hair on my leg (just in
>> case my 33 month build had killed the nerves in the leg and I didn't feel
>> the heat).
>> After hearing all the tunnel heat issues raised in the posts I did the
>> following:
>> 1. Bought a roll of engine gasket material at NAPA and cut out
>> gaskets to install between the firewall and the heat vent boxes. (Don't
>> remember for sure but I think this tip came from Tim Olson as 90% of the
>> my help tips have - Thanks Tim).
>> 2. Installed an RTV gasket around the inside of the heat vent doors
>> after install by beading the RVT around the opening, placing a piece of
>> wax paper over the RTV and closing the door with the cable. After setup
>> of the RTV I removed the wax paper and re-closed the door. (Install tip
>> from Jesse Saint - Thanks Jesse).
>> 3. RTV'ed around the outside of each heat vent box.
>> 4. Installed foil faced insulation on the bottom of the tunnel floor
>> and over the inside of the firewall (used this method on my RV-6A
>> firewall after it was built and it made a huge difference). I did not
>> build a false floor in the tunnel, only put the insulation up to the edge
>> of the fuel flow transducer and fuel pump.
>> 5. Installed sound proofing foam insulation under the floor and on
>> the sidewalls.
>> Hope these tips help.
>> By the way N710RV flies like a dream. Working on wheel pants and gear
>> leg fairings between flights.
>> Russ Daves
>>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | -10's for sale in quantity, available today |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
One thing that took a lot of people's "campfire" discussion time
up at OSH this year is the amazing amount of -10's at OSH that were
for sale. Out of 11, we know of at least 4 of them that were for
sale. We also know that of the remaining ones, at least a couple
were built more on a "build-to-order" basis than built a
"build-myself-a-plane for recreation" basis. So probably 50% of the
planes there were seemingly built with the idea of selling them
upon completion. There was also a rumor that in one case, claims
were made that, and I apologize if the number is wrong as it's
secondhand info, the builder was on his 10th RV-10 already and
could build one in 3 months. You can see why, in this age of
demand for performance 4-seaters, the RV-10 would be an attractive
kit for such an operation. The problem is, it just isn't LEGAL.
While the remainder of the RV-10 community builds along trying
to do what I did, and build my dream plane, there is considerable
worry that these commercial builds are going to bring down some
increased regulation that messes it up for everyone. What
surprised me though was the things I heard this week that point
out that it is indeed a hot issue for the feds, and that the
RV-10 in particular is now watching them more closely. I just post
this as general discussion info...I don't believe it will have
any effect on anything, as the financial motivation is too great
to stop the practice that could ultimately destroy our ability
to have the 51% rule that is allowing us to enjoy a most fantastic
hobby.
Here are some clippings of things that I heard this week, some
first hand, some second:
On multiple days, you could open the Airventure daily paper and
read things about the discussions by Marion Blakely regarding
their rising concern about this problem. They apparently know
well that there is a problem, and have formed a task force
to figure out what to do....they just don't know what to do
at present. The surprising thing was that I could read and
hear about related comments from the FAA and Blakely on
more than one day, so it definitely held some of their attention.
I also heard that the task force is close enough to home for
us that one of the members of the task force is even a man
for who a kit company, actually my favorite kit company, is
named after. Yes, he's actually part of the task force. It
would make sense, since some of his best kits are being used
in these operations. His participation in the task force
is something that I think is very good.
Then I show up home from OSH yesterday and loan my hanger out
to a guy who wants to do some paperwork with his DAR regarding
his RV-9A. The DAR looks at my -10 and he loves the plane.
As he talks about it though, it's clear one one thing. He asks
questions to determine if I was the actual builder and it's
clear that he has heard that these planes may be one to ask
those questions about. He goes on to tell me that the FAA is
getting very concerned about build-to-order kits, and that he's
gone to 2 meetings in the past year at the FAA that revolving
around the problem...and also mentions that they're trying to
come up with a good way to firmly deal with it.
So anyway, it occupied some of the RV-10 builders time talking
about this kind of thing, and the general feeling was not good
about this. The FAA has allowed builders for over 50 years
to build their own aircraft and fly it, and allowed us the
freedom to fly our often superior products to some of the
certified fleet with almost no restriction. It's been a very
good situation, and since build-it-for-myself builders are
still in a majority, it's something we greatly treasure.
I'd encourage anyone who's thinking of building these planes
to order or building them to sell, to rethink the plan....or
at least do us a favor and build them outside the country for
sale and certification outside the country. We have enough
regulation turning against us these days, but there are some
people who will be very unhappy if it makes their personal
building experience rougher.
One thing I'd encourage you all to do in your build is NOT to
skimp on photos, and documentation, and do as has been recommended
many times over....get photos of YOU doing the work, with YOUR
hand on the tool, and the aluminum dust on YOUR hands. Try
to do this every couple of building sessions, and make sure you
record the tasks completed in that section. On my spreadsheet,
I even recorded the names of any helper who happended to help
with anything, and the number of hours to the nearest tenth
that they helped. It may be that documentation of your build
is very key in you being able to actually get it certified
in the experimental category in the future. Do a good builders
log...which was actually initially my main motivation for my
website. You want to prove you did the build, and publicize
your enjoyment of the future plane you can't wait to fly.
Keep pounding rivets - Flying them is a real hoot!
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Elevator bucking bar |
--> RV10-List message posted by: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
I need some help! On page 9-12, step 3 there is a special bucking
bar described. I have no way to create one.....does any one have one to
share or sell? Alternately did anyone use the MK-319 blind rivets instead?
How
does that work out for looks?
Thanks -
Steve #40499
Stephen Blank
766 SE River Lane
Port St. Lucie, FL 34983
772-475-5556
Sent from my Treo 600
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| Subject: | Re: -10's for sale in quantity, available today |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Russell Daves" <dav1111@cox.net>
I agree with Tim whole heartedly. My builder's log runs to over a thousand
pictures (all on computer), along with my Kitlog Pro cost sheet. I had my
laptop computer at the hanger for the DAR to look at in case he had
questions, along with all of my builders plans. When I received my first
set of plans I made a full size copy so I could have a work set at the
hanger and have an original at the office that had not been marked up.
My plans at the hanger are in four different notebooks and are well worn and
marked up with notes and check marks.
I figured if the DAR had any questions about whether or not I built N710RV
he would be able to see not only photos but also working plans. He never
asked or questioned me about it at all.
I was real straight forward with the DAR explaining to him at the start who
I had do the engine overhaul and who build my panel.
The DAR found the following items that needed to be corrected:
1. Replace 4 rivets (slightly bent over);
2. Change out two bolts on the door struts so they show a couple more
threads;
3. Taking off a washer on three bolts so more threads show;
4. Putting some RTV around one bushing in the wing where the heated pitot
line goes through a rib (I guess I drilled the hole a little two big and the
bushing had snapped out or the bushing side clamps were bad).
5. And I had one screw loose, pitot mounting bracket the DAR claimed, but
everyone that knows me has always claimed I had a screw loose, even before I
started my RV-10 building project.
Maybe the DAR didn't think he needed to question me much about the build
based on the squawks he found.
Russ Daves
Lubbock, Texas
N710RV #40044 - Flying (every day so far)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 8:42 AM
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> One thing that took a lot of people's "campfire" discussion time
> up at OSH this year is the amazing amount of -10's at OSH that were
> for sale. Out of 11, we know of at least 4 of them that were for
> sale. We also know that of the remaining ones, at least a couple
> were built more on a "build-to-order" basis than built a
> "build-myself-a-plane for recreation" basis. So probably 50% of the
> planes there were seemingly built with the idea of selling them
> upon completion. There was also a rumor that in one case, claims
> were made that, and I apologize if the number is wrong as it's
> secondhand info, the builder was on his 10th RV-10 already and
> could build one in 3 months. You can see why, in this age of
> demand for performance 4-seaters, the RV-10 would be an attractive
> kit for such an operation. The problem is, it just isn't LEGAL.
BALANCE OF MESSAGE CUT - SEE ORIGINAL MESSAGE
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator bucking bar |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
You can get it here:
http://cleavelandtoolstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BBRV10
It comes in handy for more than the elevators!
-Jim 40384
LIKE2LOOP@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
>
> I need some help! On page 9-12, step 3 there is a special bucking
>bar described. I have no way to create one.....does any one have one to
>share or sell? Alternately did anyone use the MK-319 blind rivets instead?
How
>does that work out for looks?
>
> Thanks -
>
>Steve #40499
>
>Stephen Blank
>766 SE River Lane
>Port St. Lucie, FL 34983
>772-475-5556
>
>Sent from my Treo 600
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator bucking bar |
--> RV10-List message posted by: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
Thanks for the bucking bar tip!!!
Steve
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| Subject: | Elevator bucking bar Price |
FYI
The Elevator Bucking bar is $21 at Avery, $29 at Cleveland as of today....
Steve
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Stephen Blank #40499 (closing the elevators)
766 SE River Lane
Port St. Lucie, FL 34983
772-475-5556 cell - evenings and weekends
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| Subject: | Re: Tunnel Temps |
Russ,
What thickness of SuperSoundproofing did you use?
Dave Hertner
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----- Original Message -----
From: Russell Daves
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tunnel Temps
Used Super Soundproofing Thermal Aluminum faced fire retardant foil
one side insulator blanket from "The Super Soundproofing Company"
http://www.soundproofing.org/cgi-bin/cart.pl?
I bought six feet and had enough.
I also bought twelve feet of 1/2" soundproofing for the floors and
side panels from Wicks
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_search_results.php/search=
c3AtNTAw
Russ Daves
40044 - N710RV Flying
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| Subject: | Re: -10's for sale in quantity, available today |
In a message dated 7/30/2006 10:19:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
dav1111@cox.net writes:
2. Change out two bolts on the door struts so they show a couple more
threads;
3. Taking off a washer on three bolts so more threads show;
More info please. My A & P taught me that he looks for 2 full threads
beyond the fastener. Is that what your DAR was looking for? If not, please
tell us what the criteria was for your inspection.... Thanks!
Do NOT Archive
Steve
Stephen Blank #40499
766 SE River Lane
Port St. Lucie, FL 34983
772-475-5556 cell - evenings and weekends
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| Subject: | Re: -10's for sale in quantity, available today |
--> RV10-List message posted by: <jim@combsfive.com>
A couple of possible solutions come to mind:
(1) The FAA could limit the availability of N numbers to one number every two years
(or some other resonable time) and require the person applying for the N-number
to be the 51% builder.
(2) Not allow the N-Number to be transferred for some period of time (18 months?)
after the initial assignment. The exception being if the builder / owner of
the N-number has deceased, this rule would not apply.
Do not archive.
Jim Combs
N312F
#40192 - Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: -10's for sale in quantity, available today |
Amen.....
John
#40262
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----- Original Message -----
From: James Hein
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein This may just be too
simple...
Why not just Enforce the 51% rule? And, like the IRS, you can be
penalized even after the fact...
I know, too simple for Government... Have to have committees,
investigations, poll groups, more committees, then decide to decide
later... more committees.....
-Jim 40384
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| Subject: | My Oshkosh Report |
--> RV10-List message posted by: <d.j.goneflyin@earthlink.net>
Hi Zack,
You took the best pictures of OSH and I wanted to thank you.
David Jones
Kit #40331 [RV-10]
Working on baffling and cowling
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of zackrv8
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:05 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "zackrv8" <zackrv8@verizon.net>
Guys,
I just got back from OSH 2006. I'm sorry I missed the Rv10
get-togethers. It would have been neat to put the faces with the names.
I did however, get to meet a very tall yet unassuming man alongside of
his RV10. Tim Olson. Conversing with Tim put me over the edge and I
went with the 3 screen Chelton. Thanks Tim! Direct-To thanks you too!
I wandered around all of the RV10's I could find on Thursday and
Friday and took some pics. They are posted below.
Very interesting on the wide range of quality of work. It is very
plain to see the 10's that stood out.
Hope all you ten builders out there appreciate the guys like Tim and
the others (too many to name) that help us RV10 builders out with their
websites and advice.
Now, let's put our collective wits together and come up with a
solution to the HTS (Hot Tunnel Syndrome), not just a band-aid.
The highlight of Oshkosh 2006 for me was the F-22 Raptor demonstration.
Hope you guys who went to OSH got to see it.
Joe "Zack" Czachorowski
(tail, wings done, working on the fuselage)
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RV8 #80125
RV10 # 40512
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I think my DAR wanted to see a minimum of two threads but preferred
three. In redoing the bolts I didn't have any significant disagreement
with my DAR. Actually I found a couple of bolts that I had missed fully
tightening because my wife was working behind me putting in the
headliner fabric and I missed them until after I went back through the
airplane with a fine tooth comb after my DAR signed off the inspection.
After each flight I am also going back and looking for any possible
problem which might arise as well.
Russ Daves
----- Original Message -----
From: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: -10's for sale in quantity, available today
In a message dated 7/30/2006 10:19:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
dav1111@cox.net writes:
2. Change out two bolts on the door struts so they show a couple
more
threads;
3. Taking off a washer on three bolts so more threads show;
More info please. My A & P taught me that he looks for 2 full
threads beyond the fastener. Is that what your DAR was looking for?
If not, please tell us what the criteria was for your inspection....
Thanks!
Do NOT Archive
Steve
Stephen Blank #40499
766 SE River Lane
Port St. Lucie, FL 34983
772-475-5556 cell - evenings and weekends
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| Subject: | Re: Tunnel Temps |
1/2 inch
Russ Daves
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: David Hertner
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tunnel Temps
Russ,
What thickness of SuperSoundproofing did you use?
Dave Hertner
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Russell Daves
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tunnel Temps
Used Super Soundproofing Thermal Aluminum faced fire retardant foil
one side insulator blanket from "The Super Soundproofing Company"
http://www.soundproofing.org/cgi-bin/cart.pl?
I bought six feet and had enough.
I also bought twelve feet of 1/2" soundproofing for the floors and
side panels from Wicks
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_search_results.php/search=
c3AtNTAw
Russ Daves
40044 - N710RV Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Tunnel Temps |
Dave,
Ignore my first response, I was half asleep.
The stuff I got from SuperSoundproofing.org for the firewall and tunnel
floor only came in one thickness, it was called "Super Soundproofing
Thermal Aluminum faced fire retardant foil one side insulator blanket".
It really wasn't for sound proofing as much as for heat proofing.
The soundproofing I got from Wicks Aircraft Supply was 1/2" for the
floors and side panels.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Hertner
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tunnel Temps
Russ,
What thickness of SuperSoundproofing did you use?
Dave Hertner
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Russell Daves
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tunnel Temps
Used Super Soundproofing Thermal Aluminum faced fire retardant foil
one side insulator blanket from "The Super Soundproofing Company"
http://www.soundproofing.org/cgi-bin/cart.pl?
I bought six feet and had enough.
I also bought twelve feet of 1/2" soundproofing for the floors and
side panels from Wicks
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_search_results.php/search=
c3AtNTAw
Russ Daves
40044 - N710RV Flying
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| Subject: | Re: -10's for sale in quantity, available today |
On Jul 30, 2006, at 11:54 AM, John Lenhardt wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein This may just be too
simple...
Why not just Enforce the 51% rule? And, like the IRS, you can
be penalized even after the fact...
Of course, that would require some kind of "51% Police" bureaucracy
to enforce the rule. The FAA does not have the resources to do it.
Let's be careful what we wish for.
David Maib
#40559
tailcone
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| Subject: | Crossbow / Pinpoint News |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Smith" <msmith@xbow.com>
Crossbow contacted the fellow flyer referred to in Tim Olson's email
after the reported problem on the same night. After speaking with the
pilot, we discovered that when the baggage compartment was emptied of
luggage and tools, the NAV425 performed correctly. The fellow flyer
also verified that the NAV425 is mounted close to the baggage
compartment. The cause of the heading error in this case can be
attributed to ferrous material in the baggage area located too close the
NAV425.
As noted in our user manual, Crossbow recommends a 24 inch minimum
distance between the NAV425 internal magnetometer and sources of
changing magnetic fields. Changing magnetic fields can come from moving
ferrous metal parts, changing DC electric currents, and ferrous metal
parts that have been moved, removed, or added to the aircraft since the
last magnetic alignment procedure. This general rule applies to all
types of magnetic heading sensors and all of them will incorrectly
indicate heading if an uncompensated magnetic disturbance is too close
to the magnetometer.
The 24 inch separation requirement is not unique to the NAV425 but
applies to our remote magnetometer products as well. The NAV425 uses a
high quality internal magnetometer to meet the original low cost goals
of the NAV425 program.
Crossbow is committed to building and servicing the best AHRS products
in General Aviation. The upgrade program is running and is fully
covered by Crossbow's warranty. Crossbow has updated over 40 units and
received positive feedback from its upgrade customers. Crossbow has
been supplying inertial systems for the aviation community for over 10
years. Our AHRS products are built and serviced in the U.S.A. at our
FAA certified facility in San Jose, CA. We are 100% committed to our
products and the satisfaction of our customers.
If you are having any problem with any version of the NAV425, Crossbow
wants to hear about it and have the opportunity to correct the problem
to your satisfaction. Please contact our Customer Service department at
408-965-3300 for assistance.
Mike Smith
Customer Service
Crossbow Technology, Inc.
Email: msmith@xbow.com
Phone: 408-965-3388
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 6:47 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
OSH brought me a time to get more forward-looking news on the
AHRS problems of late 2005 and 2006, and I thought I'd pass on
a couple of quick things.
First, today I got some very disappointing news from a fellow
Chelton flyer. He left OSH and called me after his first leg.
He's flying a Crossbow 425EX that had previously been sent in
and "fixed" and returned to service. Previously I had heard that
there were 3 issues with the 425EX AHRS, two of which would
affect RV-10's and 1 of which would more affect composite planes.
They thought they had found the fixes and fixed those two issues,
but today's story indicates differently. The pilot reported
that the compass heading (at the top of the screen) rotated slowly
around 360 degrees every couple of minutes, even though the
plane was in straight and level flight. In talking with people
further, I learned that this is one of the known failure modes
of the instrument that would probably be noticed within about
a 45 minute leg. If that leg were continued for a longer
time, it would get worse, and eventually lead to a forward
rolling display, or possibly even flying backwards through the
HITS boxes. So, obviously it's not completely "fixed" and
owners are still encouraged not to fly IFR with the "fixed"
units.
News on the Pinpoint: My pinpoint testing has been going well.
I thought I hadn't noticed any issues at all, but on the
day I left for OSH I noticed a strange Airspeed readout
while at a standstill. I brought this up and found out the
good news that had already been caught, and taken care of for
the production units (I'm flying an engineering unit right now
as part of a test team) and that with the positive results of
the testing that the production units are now starting to come
out for distribution. I was going to jump on a production unit
but have decided to get my unit replaced with a unit that
not only has the production items in it, but some additional
enhancements as well that will need to now undergo some
additional testing. To date, in flight I have never noticed
any issues with the pinpoint, so other than some testing
when I get a new unit, I'm going to start flying in IMC as
required from here on out. Once everyone's back from OSH,
I should be receiving the new unit and I'll pass on info as
to how it works. I've heard that the first lot of production
units should help fill a lot of need by the flying and almost
flying builders.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
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Now you've hit the nail on the head.....more rules and regulations won't
make any difference either if they can't be enforced. I guess it looks
good if they "do something" to address the problem. Getting of my
soapbox now.... :)
John
#40262
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----- Original Message -----
From: David Maib
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: -10's for sale in quantity, available today
On Jul 30, 2006, at 11:54 AM, John Lenhardt wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein This may just be too
simple...
Why not just Enforce the 51% rule? And, like the IRS, you can be
penalized even after the fact...
Of course, that would require some kind of "51% Police" bureaucracy to
enforce the rule. The FAA does not have the resources to do it. Let's be
careful what we wish for.
David Maib
#40559
tailcone
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| Subject: | Re: -10's for sale in quantity, available today |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
There already is a rule..51%. If you can't prove it, no amateur built
certificate is supposed to be issued. The FAA has come down on one or
two operations that were building turbine type planes with little
owner/builder involvement. Having $150K invested in something the FAA
refuses to certify/register should be enforcement enough to discourage
pro-built for hire machines.
jim@CombsFive.Com wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: <jim@combsfive.com>
>
> A couple of possible solutions come to mind:
>
> (1) The FAA could limit the availability of N numbers to one number every two
years (or some other resonable time) and require the person applying for the
N-number to be the 51% builder.
>
> (2) Not allow the N-Number to be transferred for some period of time (18 months?)
after the initial assignment. The exception being if the builder / owner
of the N-number has deceased, this rule would not apply.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> Jim Combs
> N312F
> #40192 - Fuselage
> ===========================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Crossbow / Pinpoint News |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I wondered why the crossbow would fail in a continuous rotational
manner, since it would seem that ferrous materials would cause
it to shift in heading, but not rotate....and this has been
seen before in improper installations. But because it did not
make sense to me, I inquired and passed on the thread. Here is the
response I got (see below). Unfortunately, one of the things
that would have been cool to see is an in-flight powercycle, but
that didn't happen. In my past failures of the Crossbow, a
powercycle brought it back to life.
<response>
----
Fellow pilot stated:
"When I departed OSH on runway 18, straight out departure, climb to
1300', the magnetic heading began a slow CCW turn and never stabilized.
It continued through 360 degrees of revolution continuously for the next
30-40 minutes, whereupon I decided to land north of Chicago, as most of
Illinois and Indiana were IFR."
IF the problem was a hard or soft iron field distortion, the heading
would show an offset NOT a continuous slow heading change. If you put a
magnet near a compass you will see an offset. The compass needle will
not start slowly rotating. If the magnet is very strong it will cause
the needle to "freeze" at a single heading, again no rotation. The
simple answer is that the 425 had some sort of magnetometer failure that
was undetected by the AHRS processor.
The pilot has since tried to duplicate the problem by repacking the
baggage compartment with the same items. No Joy. This test indicates
that the power cycle fixed the problem, not removing the baggage. The
425 in question had just been reinstalled after receiving the latest
upgrades at the factory. So much for having killed all the bugs.
While it is good practice to keep ferrous objects away from your compass
system, placing a ferris object near the 425 should never cause it to
report the heading is spinning. If X-bow has a reasonable explanation as
to the cause of the random heading generator, we would like to hear it.
If they don't have an explanation, then they better figure one out.
Kirk Hammersmith
----
Tim Olson
do not archive
Mike Smith wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Smith" <msmith@xbow.com>
>
>
>
> Crossbow contacted the fellow flyer referred to in Tim Olson's email
> after the reported problem on the same night. After speaking with the
> pilot, we discovered that when the baggage compartment was emptied of
> luggage and tools, the NAV425 performed correctly. The fellow flyer
> also verified that the NAV425 is mounted close to the baggage
> compartment. The cause of the heading error in this case can be
> attributed to ferrous material in the baggage area located too close the
> NAV425.
>
> As noted in our user manual, Crossbow recommends a 24 inch minimum
> distance between the NAV425 internal magnetometer and sources of
> changing magnetic fields. Changing magnetic fields can come from moving
> ferrous metal parts, changing DC electric currents, and ferrous metal
> parts that have been moved, removed, or added to the aircraft since the
> last magnetic alignment procedure. This general rule applies to all
> types of magnetic heading sensors and all of them will incorrectly
> indicate heading if an uncompensated magnetic disturbance is too close
> to the magnetometer.
>
> The 24 inch separation requirement is not unique to the NAV425 but
> applies to our remote magnetometer products as well. The NAV425 uses a
> high quality internal magnetometer to meet the original low cost goals
> of the NAV425 program.
>
> Crossbow is committed to building and servicing the best AHRS products
> in General Aviation. The upgrade program is running and is fully
> covered by Crossbow's warranty. Crossbow has updated over 40 units and
> received positive feedback from its upgrade customers. Crossbow has
> been supplying inertial systems for the aviation community for over 10
> years. Our AHRS products are built and serviced in the U.S.A. at our
> FAA certified facility in San Jose, CA. We are 100% committed to our
> products and the satisfaction of our customers.
>
> If you are having any problem with any version of the NAV425, Crossbow
> wants to hear about it and have the opportunity to correct the problem
> to your satisfaction. Please contact our Customer Service department at
> 408-965-3300 for assistance.
>
>
> Mike Smith
> Customer Service
> Crossbow Technology, Inc.
> Email: msmith@xbow.com
> Phone: 408-965-3388
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 6:47 PM
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> OSH brought me a time to get more forward-looking news on the
> AHRS problems of late 2005 and 2006, and I thought I'd pass on
> a couple of quick things.
>
> First, today I got some very disappointing news from a fellow
> Chelton flyer. He left OSH and called me after his first leg.
> He's flying a Crossbow 425EX that had previously been sent in
> and "fixed" and returned to service. Previously I had heard that
> there were 3 issues with the 425EX AHRS, two of which would
> affect RV-10's and 1 of which would more affect composite planes.
> They thought they had found the fixes and fixed those two issues,
> but today's story indicates differently. The pilot reported
> that the compass heading (at the top of the screen) rotated slowly
> around 360 degrees every couple of minutes, even though the
> plane was in straight and level flight. In talking with people
> further, I learned that this is one of the known failure modes
> of the instrument that would probably be noticed within about
> a 45 minute leg. If that leg were continued for a longer
> time, it would get worse, and eventually lead to a forward
> rolling display, or possibly even flying backwards through the
> HITS boxes. So, obviously it's not completely "fixed" and
> owners are still encouraged not to fly IFR with the "fixed"
> units.
>
> News on the Pinpoint: My pinpoint testing has been going well.
> I thought I hadn't noticed any issues at all, but on the
> day I left for OSH I noticed a strange Airspeed readout
> while at a standstill. I brought this up and found out the
> good news that had already been caught, and taken care of for
> the production units (I'm flying an engineering unit right now
> as part of a test team) and that with the positive results of
> the testing that the production units are now starting to come
> out for distribution. I was going to jump on a production unit
> but have decided to get my unit replaced with a unit that
> not only has the production items in it, but some additional
> enhancements as well that will need to now undergo some
> additional testing. To date, in flight I have never noticed
> any issues with the pinpoint, so other than some testing
> when I get a new unit, I'm going to start flying in IMC as
> required from here on out. Once everyone's back from OSH,
> I should be receiving the new unit and I'll pass on info as
> to how it works. I've heard that the first lot of production
> units should help fill a lot of need by the flying and almost
> flying builders.
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| Subject: | Re: Crossbow / Pinpoint News |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Ooops, one more quick reply from the pilot himself (not me, just
passing it along as he does not follow this list, AFAIK)
---
For the record I also took all metal pieces that were in the baggage
compartment and placed them MUCH closer to the AHRS by holding them
right above its location on the outside of the aircraft above the
fiberglass top. I also tried to induce a failure with a strong magnet.
No joy. I'm convinced now that this was some kind of initialization
failure. In trying to understand every aspect of what might have been
different than any other startup, I did notice that the airplane was
probably 10 degrees off of level when I started the engine at OSH, due
to the grassy area right outside the flight line parking. Every other
time I have started in a level attitude. And yes, at OSH, I did wait
until both displays came up with the attitude display before moving the
aircraft.
---
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Mike Smith wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Smith" <msmith@xbow.com>
>
>
>
> Crossbow contacted the fellow flyer referred to in Tim Olson's email
> after the reported problem on the same night. After speaking with the
> pilot, we discovered that when the baggage compartment was emptied of
> luggage and tools, the NAV425 performed correctly. The fellow flyer
> also verified that the NAV425 is mounted close to the baggage
> compartment. The cause of the heading error in this case can be
> attributed to ferrous material in the baggage area located too close the
> NAV425.
>
> As noted in our user manual, Crossbow recommends a 24 inch minimum
> distance between the NAV425 internal magnetometer and sources of
> changing magnetic fields. Changing magnetic fields can come from moving
> ferrous metal parts, changing DC electric currents, and ferrous metal
> parts that have been moved, removed, or added to the aircraft since the
> last magnetic alignment procedure. This general rule applies to all
> types of magnetic heading sensors and all of them will incorrectly
> indicate heading if an uncompensated magnetic disturbance is too close
> to the magnetometer.
>
> The 24 inch separation requirement is not unique to the NAV425 but
> applies to our remote magnetometer products as well. The NAV425 uses a
> high quality internal magnetometer to meet the original low cost goals
> of the NAV425 program.
>
> Crossbow is committed to building and servicing the best AHRS products
> in General Aviation. The upgrade program is running and is fully
> covered by Crossbow's warranty. Crossbow has updated over 40 units and
> received positive feedback from its upgrade customers. Crossbow has
> been supplying inertial systems for the aviation community for over 10
> years. Our AHRS products are built and serviced in the U.S.A. at our
> FAA certified facility in San Jose, CA. We are 100% committed to our
> products and the satisfaction of our customers.
>
> If you are having any problem with any version of the NAV425, Crossbow
> wants to hear about it and have the opportunity to correct the problem
> to your satisfaction. Please contact our Customer Service department at
> 408-965-3300 for assistance.
>
>
> Mike Smith
> Customer Service
> Crossbow Technology, Inc.
> Email: msmith@xbow.com
> Phone: 408-965-3388
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 6:47 PM
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> OSH brought me a time to get more forward-looking news on the
> AHRS problems of late 2005 and 2006, and I thought I'd pass on
> a couple of quick things.
>
> First, today I got some very disappointing news from a fellow
> Chelton flyer. He left OSH and called me after his first leg.
> He's flying a Crossbow 425EX that had previously been sent in
> and "fixed" and returned to service. Previously I had heard that
> there were 3 issues with the 425EX AHRS, two of which would
> affect RV-10's and 1 of which would more affect composite planes.
> They thought they had found the fixes and fixed those two issues,
> but today's story indicates differently. The pilot reported
> that the compass heading (at the top of the screen) rotated slowly
> around 360 degrees every couple of minutes, even though the
> plane was in straight and level flight. In talking with people
> further, I learned that this is one of the known failure modes
> of the instrument that would probably be noticed within about
> a 45 minute leg. If that leg were continued for a longer
> time, it would get worse, and eventually lead to a forward
> rolling display, or possibly even flying backwards through the
> HITS boxes. So, obviously it's not completely "fixed" and
> owners are still encouraged not to fly IFR with the "fixed"
> units.
>
> News on the Pinpoint: My pinpoint testing has been going well.
> I thought I hadn't noticed any issues at all, but on the
> day I left for OSH I noticed a strange Airspeed readout
> while at a standstill. I brought this up and found out the
> good news that had already been caught, and taken care of for
> the production units (I'm flying an engineering unit right now
> as part of a test team) and that with the positive results of
> the testing that the production units are now starting to come
> out for distribution. I was going to jump on a production unit
> but have decided to get my unit replaced with a unit that
> not only has the production items in it, but some additional
> enhancements as well that will need to now undergo some
> additional testing. To date, in flight I have never noticed
> any issues with the pinpoint, so other than some testing
> when I get a new unit, I'm going to start flying in IMC as
> required from here on out. Once everyone's back from OSH,
> I should be receiving the new unit and I'll pass on info as
> to how it works. I've heard that the first lot of production
> units should help fill a lot of need by the flying and almost
> flying builders.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Pascal" <pascalreid@verizon.net>
In support of your comments, May 2006 SportAviation, page 64, covers this as
well. The FAA, as of 2005, already requires a FAA instpector, not DAR, to
be the only one that can issue a certificate based on judgement for complex
aircraft (like the Lancair IV) I agree with Tim that if commercial assist
continues, us new(er) builders will suffer trying to do it legally and many
may just not pursue this (what is a dream) due to the hassle and backlog to
get a plane inspected by the FAA.
Hopefully no one will buy a ready made RV-10 plane and the market will show
that if one is not in it for self pleasure than it's not worth the effort to
build it for the money. Alas the RV-10, like the Lancairs, have much to
offer a potential buyers, and at less of a price than a Cirrus, so that may
not be realistic!
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 6:42 AM
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> One thing that took a lot of people's "campfire" discussion time
> up at OSH this year is the amazing amount of -10's at OSH that were
> for sale. Out of 11, we know of at least 4 of them that were for
> sale. We also know that of the remaining ones, at least a couple
> were built more on a "build-to-order" basis than built a
> "build-myself-a-plane for recreation" basis. So probably 50% of the
> planes there were seemingly built with the idea of selling them
> upon completion. There was also a rumor that in one case, claims
> were made that, and I apologize if the number is wrong as it's
> secondhand info, the builder was on his 10th RV-10 already and
> could build one in 3 months. You can see why, in this age of
> demand for performance 4-seaters, the RV-10 would be an attractive
> kit for such an operation. The problem is, it just isn't LEGAL.
>
> While the remainder of the RV-10 community builds along trying
> to do what I did, and build my dream plane, there is considerable
> worry that these commercial builds are going to bring down some
> increased regulation that messes it up for everyone. What
> surprised me though was the things I heard this week that point
> out that it is indeed a hot issue for the feds, and that the
> RV-10 in particular is now watching them more closely. I just post
> this as general discussion info...I don't believe it will have
> any effect on anything, as the financial motivation is too great
> to stop the practice that could ultimately destroy our ability
> to have the 51% rule that is allowing us to enjoy a most fantastic
> hobby.
>
> Here are some clippings of things that I heard this week, some
> first hand, some second:
>
> On multiple days, you could open the Airventure daily paper and
> read things about the discussions by Marion Blakely regarding
> their rising concern about this problem. They apparently know
> well that there is a problem, and have formed a task force
> to figure out what to do....they just don't know what to do
> at present. The surprising thing was that I could read and
> hear about related comments from the FAA and Blakely on
> more than one day, so it definitely held some of their attention.
>
> I also heard that the task force is close enough to home for
> us that one of the members of the task force is even a man
> for who a kit company, actually my favorite kit company, is
> named after. Yes, he's actually part of the task force. It
> would make sense, since some of his best kits are being used
> in these operations. His participation in the task force
> is something that I think is very good.
>
> Then I show up home from OSH yesterday and loan my hanger out
> to a guy who wants to do some paperwork with his DAR regarding
> his RV-9A. The DAR looks at my -10 and he loves the plane.
> As he talks about it though, it's clear one one thing. He asks
> questions to determine if I was the actual builder and it's
> clear that he has heard that these planes may be one to ask
> those questions about. He goes on to tell me that the FAA is
> getting very concerned about build-to-order kits, and that he's
> gone to 2 meetings in the past year at the FAA that revolving
> around the problem...and also mentions that they're trying to
> come up with a good way to firmly deal with it.
>
> So anyway, it occupied some of the RV-10 builders time talking
> about this kind of thing, and the general feeling was not good
> about this. The FAA has allowed builders for over 50 years
> to build their own aircraft and fly it, and allowed us the
> freedom to fly our often superior products to some of the
> certified fleet with almost no restriction. It's been a very
> good situation, and since build-it-for-myself builders are
> still in a majority, it's something we greatly treasure.
>
> I'd encourage anyone who's thinking of building these planes
> to order or building them to sell, to rethink the plan....or
> at least do us a favor and build them outside the country for
> sale and certification outside the country. We have enough
> regulation turning against us these days, but there are some
> people who will be very unhappy if it makes their personal
> building experience rougher.
>
> One thing I'd encourage you all to do in your build is NOT to
> skimp on photos, and documentation, and do as has been recommended
> many times over....get photos of YOU doing the work, with YOUR
> hand on the tool, and the aluminum dust on YOUR hands. Try
> to do this every couple of building sessions, and make sure you
> record the tasks completed in that section. On my spreadsheet,
> I even recorded the names of any helper who happended to help
> with anything, and the number of hours to the nearest tenth
> that they helped. It may be that documentation of your build
> is very key in you being able to actually get it certified
> in the experimental category in the future. Do a good builders
> log...which was actually initially my main motivation for my
> website. You want to prove you did the build, and publicize
> your enjoyment of the future plane you can't wait to fly.
> Keep pounding rivets - Flying them is a real hoot!
>
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | OSH Update 7/23/06 |
It also does not include the Nav/Coms, the Audio Panel or the
Transponder.
I don=92t know if it even has a GPS. You have to add all of these
things to
make the system complete, which would make it just about the same price
as
the G900, which is specifically why they sell it as a retrofit for
people
who have a good radio stack but want to upgrade from a six-pack.
This e-mail may not actually be sent for a couple of days, even though I
am
sending it on Tuesday, 7-25, so pardon me if this is old info by the
time it
posts.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 10:28 AM
More interesting in this is the G600 which is a smaller, combined
version of
the two screen G1000/G900. It's priced at $27k to directly compete with
Chelton's. Of course it doesn't have HIT's, rendered terrain, or any
other
of the advanced stuff we see.
Michael
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 6:19 AM
Nicely priced for the upper echelon in the society! I expect that
Garmin
will have a more logical menus and function than GRT but I think I stick
with my GRTs.
Do not archive.
Rob Kermanj
On Jul 24, 2006, at 5:41 AM, Russell Daves wrote:
The BIG and HIGH PRICE update from Garmin is as follows:
The Shakeup Continues: Garmin Announces G900X For Experimentals
Garmin Casting Its Net A LOT Wider
Continuing its major product announcements Sunday at AirVenture 2006,
Garmin
filled ANN in on its new G900X avionics suite, which will be available
on a
number of leading homebuilt aircraft -- including Lancair's IV/IV-P and
ES/ES-P, and Van's RV-10, RV-9/9A, and RV-7/7A.
This is the first time Garmin has offered an all-glass panel for
homebuilt
airframes.
"The G900X is a highly reliable system that dramatically increases
safety of
flight and situational awareness," said Gary Kelley, Garmin's vice
president
of marketing. "We are confident that our industry-leading technology and
core principles -- commitment to quality, reliability, service, and
value --
will make the G900X an extremely popular avionics suite with kitplane
owners."
The G900X integrates all primary flight, navigation, communication,
terrain,
traffic, surveillance, weather, and engine sensor data into two
10.4-inch,
high-definition LCDs. The color TFT displays on the G900X suite boast
XGA
(1,024x768-pixel) resolution with wide viewing angles. Customized
brackets
will help simplify the assembly process and allow homebuilders to
install
sensitive instruments with the assurance that the Garmin G900X certified
distributor will approve the installation. The G900X
distributor-supplied
installation package also includes the wiring harness and installation
drawings.
The following G900X system components will be available for Lancair and
Van's owners and builders:
a.. The primary flight display (PFD) to replace many of the traditional
cockpit instruments. The G900X presents this information in an
integrated
fashion on a large-format display, and the multi-function display (MFD)
puts
all aircraft-systems monitoring and flight-planning functions at the
pilot's
fingertips
b.. Designed with reversionary capabilities, allowing all
flight-critical
data to transfer seamlessly to a single display for added safety during
flight
c.. Solid-state Attitude and Heading Reference System (AHRS), which can
align while in motion, including in-flight dynamic restarts
d.. Digital Air Data Computer
e.. Engine-monitoring display
f.. Mode S transponder with Traffic Information Service (TIS)
g.. Dual integrated radio modules that provide WAAS-certified IFR
oceanic-approved GPS; VHF navigation with ILS; and VHF communication
with
16-watt transceivers and 8.33-kHz channel spacing
h.. Digital audio control system
i.. Garmin SafeTaxi airport diagrams that help pilots navigate
unfamiliar
airports
j.. Optional integrated satellite weather datalink and digital-quality
audio via XM Satellite Radio
k.. Optional remote Flight Management System (FMS) controller for
simplified waypoint, navigation, and communication tuning and selection
l.. Optional integrated Class-B Terrain Awareness and Warning System
(TAWS)
with worldwide terrain and U.S. obstacle database, which does not
require
and external LRU as with other TAWS systems
The G900X will be available in the first quarter of 2007 at a suggested
retail price of $66,745 through Garmin G900X qualified distributors.
AS FOR ME, I really like my "CHEAP" Grand Rapids three screen system.
Russ Daves
N710RV (DAR Special Airworthiness Certificate in Hand)
Hope to have everything back together and in the air shortly.
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| Subject: | OshKosh __Tunnel heat |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
I really haven't seen any serious tunnel heat in either 256H or 415EC.
Do not archive.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris , Susie
Darcy
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:48 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
For those with flying RV10 that are going to Oshkosh if you are having
problems with tunnel heat can you bring it up at the forum please.
And those that are flying are you have serious issues with the
heat......theres been a lot of talk but just need the facts please ...yes no
fixed??
regards Chris
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| Subject: | OSH Update 7/28/06 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
I know this has been addressed, but I saw the engine, and without a turbo or
super high-compression pistons, I can't imagine getting 325HP out of a 260HP
engine. I can see getting as much as 290 or so from talking to Barrett, but
I think that number is truly bogus. If that was the case, why would you put
it behind a fixed pitch prop? Actually, the engine was very nice-looking,
with matching paint on several other things in the engine compartment. As
far as the quality of the plane, well, I guess I won't go there, but for
those who haven't gotten to this point yet, I would not recommend putting a
bead of caulk/proseal around the outside of the windows, and pop-rivets in
the leading edge of the fuel tank should probably be avoided as much as
possible.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vern W. Smith
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 12:23 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Vern W. Smith" <Vern@teclabsinc.com>
Hi Bob,
How about an update on N325HP, did Noel use a parallel valve or angled
valve engine to get 325 hp? What are the performance numbers for the
Catto prop?
Thanks,
Vern Smith (#40324)
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 8:43 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Not much to say after the engine update post from last night. We have
had some new arrivals camping at RV-10 HQ so I took a new picture of
that. Dan Lloyd is in the popup camper between the motor homes and Tim
Olson's tent is in the rear half of that site. Adrian Moses along with
a couple of friends are in tents on the other side of Gary's motorhome.
Total count right now is at 11 customer built RV-10s: Recent arrivals
include the Monarch (picture attached), Noel Simmons N325HP and Jon
Stewart's. There may be one more but I haven't seen it. Doesn't look
like we'll make John Cox's prediction of 20.
Bob
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=50332#50332
Attachments:
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@adelphia.net>
The baffle material works as well and is already on hand. Both the red hi
temp silicon and the thinner black works great.
Steve d
40205
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Daves
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:30 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Russell Daves" <dav1111@cox.net>
Just ask at any auto parts store for a roll of engine gasket material. It
comes in about 8 inch by 24 inch roll I think.
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| Subject: | Elevator bucking bar |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@cox.net>
I used a standard back rivet plate with a small block of wood as a spacer.
Worked fine.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (260 hrs)
RV-10 (tail cone)
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:17 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
I need some help! On page 9-12, step 3 there is a special bucking
bar described. I have no way to create one.....does any one have one to
share or sell? Alternately did anyone use the MK-319 blind rivets
instead? How
does that work out for looks?
Thanks -
Steve #40499
Stephen Blank
766 SE River Lane
Port St. Lucie, FL 34983
772-475-5556
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| Subject: | Re: -10's for sale in quantity, The plot thickens |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Regarding the 51% rule and individuals building RV-10's for profit and
not for personal use. There is an interesting/scary thread on VAF that I
would encourage you all to read.
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=8335&page=1&pp=10
in this thread there is reference to the company in the Philipines that
Van's has contracted with to do the quickbuilds. on this company's website.
http://www.bonanzametalcrafters.com/prodserv.htm
at the bottom of this page is a frame that is labled 'RV10 FULL BUILD'.
If you continue reading the thread someone claims that he was told
during a tour of the factory by the owner that he had received
approval/permission from Van's to buy the complete airframe kits fron
Van's and build and remarket them!!!!!!!! Heresy, but the web site tends
to substantiate the intent.
This may have something to do with the double talk that Van & Ken gave
at the Forum when John Cox posed the question to them as to what they
were going to do to ensure that RV's continued to be owner/built. ! ? ! ?
The quality of the QB's are for the most part very good, however as
noted in the thread, due to frequent turnover of the bonanza staff, and
Van's loose QC, there are some exceptions which have occured.
The plot thickens .........
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse/finishing/Panel
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Delta Hawk engine for -10 |
Doug Doers from Delta Hawk Diesel engines told me he has a customer who
is taking delivery of a V-4 cylinder 200 hp engine for a -10. He would
not give me the customers name but took my name to give to the customer.
If you are out there, please respond. I would like to know more about
your build.
Thanks!
Dave Leikam
Elevators
N89DA #40496
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| Subject: | Finish Wheel pant/Fairings Before engine |
While inspecting an RV-10 at OSH last week, Van came walking up to look
at the RV 10 also. After asking how he was progressing on his personal
RV 10 build, I asked why the plans do not call to complete the wheel pan
ts/fairing before mounting the motor and wings? It is much easier to LI
FT the plane to flying level conditions and mount the pants without figh
ting the weight of the motor and inconvenience of climbing under the win
gs several tmes to get accurate measurements. Van said he already compl
eted the pants for the reasons mentioned. So IF you are not to this sta
ge yet, plan to complete your wheel pants and fairing before mounting th
e motor and wings. I heard from a few completed RV builds that they had
a hard time getting into BUILD mold after flying the aircraft. They al
so said the hanger floor was not near as LEVEL as the garage at home. I
t is very important to get the plane level with wheels OFF the ground to
fit the pants properly. Otherwise, you may be adding a trim block/syst
em to get the plane flying hands off like it flew with no pants/fairings
IF constructed properly. Doing the pants at this time in the build als
o delays that big check you write for the motor! :)
Dean
40449 (working on Oil Cooler door system)
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<html><P>While inspecting an RV-10 at OSH last week, Van came walking up
to look at the RV 10 also. After asking how he was progressing on
his personal RV 10 build, I asked why the plans do not call to complete
the wheel pants/fairing before mounting the motor and wings? It i
s much easier to LIFT the plane to flying level conditions and mount the
pants without fighting the weight of the motor and inconvenience of cli
mbing under the wings several tmes to get accurate measurements. V
an said he already completed the pants for the reasons mentioned.
So IF you are not to this stage yet, plan to complete your wheel pants a
nd fairing before mounting the motor and wings. I heard from a few
completed RV builds that they had a hard time getting into BUILD mold a
fter flying the aircraft. They also said the hanger floor was not
near as LEVEL as the garage at home. It is very important to get t
he plane level with wheels OFF the ground to fit the pants properly.&nbs
p; Otherwise, you may be adding a trim block/system to get the plane fly
ing hands off like it flew with no pants/fairings IF constructed properl
y. Doing the pants at this time in the build also delays that big
check you write for the motor! :)</P>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Alternative Engine Summary + 900x + RV12 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian Douglas" <bsponcil@belinblank.org>
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Panning
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 10:49 PM
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning
> <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
>
> Subaru:
> Eggenfellner is supposed to give a talk about RV-10
> suburu engines on Friday. I will report back what I
> learn from it. His booth was empty when I went by and
> looked like an older installed engine on display.
I have to say that I was disappointed in the Eggenfellner display. No H6
(as far as I could tell) let alone a RV-10 FWF package. Just a couple of
older subies on rather sad looking planes.
> Deltahawk:
> Had a big presence with 2 engines on static display
> and the velocity install. Claim is 180 HP version
> putting out ~ 195 hp. Suggested 200 HP model might not
> be needed for RV-10 since turbo normalized. BSFC ~
> 0.38 [Very good].
I never got close enough to ask any questions but I did overhear them say
their focus right now is on certification. That BSFC is eye catching. Is
that mostly due to the inherently high compression ratios in diesels? Or is
diesel fuel just really light ;-)
> Mistral:
> Two engines on display, a 2 rotor and a 3 rotor. Not
> impressed with staff, they essentially kicked me out
> when I started asking about intermediate housing
> availability since Mazda is no longer making it.
>
> Company rubbed me the wrong way and I would not deal
> with them personally. Your mileage may vary....
Agreed. They didn't seem too interested in even being there let alone
answering customer questions. Just my impression though.
> SMA:
> didn't take a good look. As I recall they want 50K +
> for the Cessna 182. Seemed to be focusing on europe
> market (where diesel is a bigger advantage)
I talked to them a bit and they have little/no interest in the experimental
market. They said it's just too much work supporting home builders. Looks
like a great product though. What I don't get is why they're so expensive?
I thought one of the advantages of buying Mercedes blocks was economy of
scale....
>
> E85 Ethanol:
> Nutty display by the corn lobby. Didn't get any real
> info. But I hear 10% ethanol is ok for cured proseal
> but I wonder about 85%... Vapor lock is big issue too.
> Need a ratio of 9:1 vs 14:1 for gas. Less energy per
> lb too so you are going to burn up more.. tip tanks?
I went to their forum and found it pretty interesting. A few years ago they
took a stock mooney 201(?) and did nothing to it but increase the fuel flow.
With only an altered bendix they flew 800 (presumably trouble free) hours on
88% ethanol and some additives (isopentane?). They were getting a BSFC of
.58 or so (not so good. Typical avgas engine is .42-.45). At TBO, they
rebuilt the engine and made some additional modifications (10:1 pistons,
electronic ignition, vetterman exhaust, etc) and are now seeing BSFC of
around .48-.50. I guess the main thing I took from it was that if they ever
do get rid of 100LL, it won't take a lot of modification to run the ol
lycosaur on ethanol.
>
> RV-12:
> Lot's of grass stomped around the plane. Wings
> attached and fuselage, tail largely complete. Engine
> mounted and hidden under a quck and dirty cowl layup.
> Say final will be pre-preg. Hand brakes.
I'm not a big fan of the removable wings. I suppose it seperates them from
the other LSAs but I wonder how many people would actually trailer their
plane home regularly. Man, I love the idea of the holes being the final
size. Why can't they do that for all of the prepunched kits?
-Brian
#40497
N211BD
Iowa City, IA
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