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1. 04:57 AM - Re: Survey of the day: windshield visors (Wayne Edgerton)
2. 08:10 AM - IO-540-C4B5 engine choice (Belue, Kevin)
3. 08:23 AM - Re: IO-540-C4B5 engine choice (Rhonda Bewley)
4. 08:45 AM - Re: -10's for sale in quantity, available today (Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk))
5. 09:58 AM - Re: -10's for sale in quantity, available today (John W. Cox)
6. 10:00 AM - FW: [LML] Re: 51% rule discussion (John W. Cox)
7. 01:37 PM - Re: -10's for sale in quantity, available today (James Clark)
8. 01:59 PM - Re: -10's for sale in quantity, available today (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
9. 02:11 PM - Re: W-1007E extends beyond rear spar flange. pg 15-3 (Jae Chang)
10. 02:39 PM - Re: W-1007E extends beyond rear spar flange. pg 15-3 (Deems Davis)
11. 02:49 PM - Re: -10's for sale in quantity, available today (John Lenhardt)
12. 02:51 PM - Re: -10's for sale in quantity, available today (Rick)
13. 03:25 PM - Re: IO-540-C4B5 engine choice (Robert G. Wright)
14. 03:43 PM - Window overspray (Marcus Cooper)
15. 04:16 PM - Re: Window overspray (Jesse Saint)
16. 06:42 PM - Re: IO-540-C4B5 engine choice (Russell Daves)
17. 07:14 PM - New To The List (Les Kearney)
18. 07:35 PM - Re: Window overspray (Tim Olson)
19. 07:44 PM - Re: New To The List (Tim Olson)
20. 07:44 PM - Re: New To The List ()
21. 08:25 PM - Re: New To The List (Jim McDonald)
22. 08:28 PM - Re: New To The List (change99)
23. 08:47 PM - Re: Re: New To The List (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com)
24. 08:57 PM - Re: Re: New To The List (Kelly McMullen)
25. 08:57 PM - Re: New To The List (Robert G. Wright)
26. 09:09 PM - Re: Re: New To The List (David M.)
27. 09:17 PM - Re: New To The List (Pascal)
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| Subject: | Re: Survey of the day: windshield visors |
Hi Tim,
Mike is the same person I've been communicating with. I met him at
Sun-N-Fun this year.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
engine and door handles
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| Subject: | IO-540-C4B5 engine choice |
I'm thinking about an engine for my plane and would appreciate info on the
following:
Has anyone installed an IO-540-C4B5 engine in an RV-10?
Does anyone know of problems using this engine in an RV10?
Kevin
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| Subject: | IO-540-C4B5 engine choice |
Kevin:
The C4B5 is a parallel head IO-540 and is the exact same engine as the
D4A5 except in certified category except that is derated for a different
power setting. It is an excellent choice for your-10.
Regards,
Rhonda Barrett-Bewley
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.
Tulsa, OK 74115
(918) 835-1089 phone
(918) 835-1754 fax
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
<http://www.barrettprecisionengines.com/>
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Belue, Kevin
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:04 AM
I'm thinking about an engine for my plane and would appreciate info on
the following:
Has anyone installed an IO-540-C4B5 engine in an RV-10?
Does anyone know of problems using this engine in an RV10?
Kevin
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| Subject: | -10's for sale in quantity, available today |
John, don't get me wrong. I can't afford to do that either. As a matter
of fact I sold my RV10 and got an RV6A solely because I can't afford to
build the 10. Still, I guess that I don't really see the problem. It
seems that if there is going to be a market for our homebuilt aircraft,
(I hope, because I won't be able to fly forever) then it's one of the
things that we have to put up with. Would someone please quote the 51%
rule verbatim, here, as I still am under the belief that ii don't have
to build 51% of an airplane to own and fly it. It only matters for the
repairman's certificate. At least that's my understanding. Bill Cosby in
one of his comedy albums accused his brother of being the "big Jello
sheriff of the house" for pointing out to their father that he had
already had 2 helpings of Jello earlier. From my point of view, people
building planes for hire don't bother me and might possibly make the
market better. I have seen many homebuilt aircraft that I wouldn't to be
anywhere around, and if someone wants to buy an experimental aircraft
then he/she needs to spend some time verifying that the plane that they
are buying is a good one, be it me, that built it for my personal
"education and enjoyment" or from someone that wants to make money on
it. I hope that when it comes time to sell mine I can make some money
(in fifteen years). I'm just saying that putting the spot light on the
situation for "big brother" to stick his nose under the edge of the tent
as it were, is just asking for rules designed for the lowest common
denominator in people have an adverse affect on the rest of us that play
by the rules.
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Lenhardt
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:11 PM
The point of the "51% Rule" is to permit you, the amateur, to design and
build your own airplane that you can fly in the National Airspace system
without having to go the "certified" route because it is for your own
education and enjoyment. The intent is not to manufacture airplanes.
That's what we're talking about here.
If you want to build and sell airplanes, become an aircraft manufacturer
like Piper or Cessna and get the your aircraft certified to Part 23
standards.
John
#40262
----- Original Message -----
From: Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk)
<mailto:BSchroeder@uta.cog.ut.us>
If on the other hand I just have lots of money and don't care if
the local FBO rakes me over the coals to work on my "experimental
aircraft" then why would anyone care except for the people involved? It
seems to me that some people are upset because someone else can do
something that they cannot do (jealous or some other feeling) so lets
put a spot light on the situation.
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| Subject: | -10's for sale in quantity, available today |
Bob, let me pipe in for Mr. Lenhardt. Anyone purchasing or considering
purchase of a Kitplane should have the passage memorized to heart and
understand the journey (which should be unending - education). The
build rule has never been 51% of the work. It is 51% of the appropriate
tasks. Yes, you can hire your neighbor or the kids at Home Depot to help
with much of the work. The Task Force is reviewing which build tasks are
appropriate for compliance as a result of builders installing glass
cockpits, faster speeds, higher performance, advanced build materials
and improved build techniques. The Fast Build concept was not even in
existence when the rule was originally adopted. The FAA has waived
powerplant, interior, exterior topcoat paint, aircraft wiring, firewall
forward and a bunch of stuff as tasks. Example: Wood ribs, fabric
covering and other build tasks not appropriate to aluminum riveted or
composite construction. Now add Stir Welding to the pot along with 1250
shp turboprop powerplants and they need to update the tasks quickly.
Fast Build is predicated on the builder still having to demonstrate
knowledge and skill at those tasks which are Appropriate. Van took some
of the mundane, repetitive tasks and agreed with the FAA to allow
foreign nationals to do the repetition. The Amateur built Kitplane was
never intended to allow individuals or businesses to go into production
for the intent to repetitive resell. The FAA has always allowed the
sale of a homebuilt aircraft to a single non-builder. The glaring spot
light last year was on the advanced technology and the lack of tasks on
Rick Schrameck's Epic LT (which by the way is going into kit form with
twin turbine jet engines). Maybe now you see the technology dilemma.
And Rick has been clear he is headed the same path as Lance Neuberger
into a Certified Production Certificate (Columbia) here in Bend, OR.
The Task Force will have to deal with the sticky situation of
individuals who build two, three or ten aircraft under the Amateur Built
Rule with the clear intent to mask and avoid compliance with a Certified
Part 23 Production aircraft process. Education is either not their goal
or they are really slow learners.
Big Brother allowed this homebuilt rule, it is the errant builders who
have lifted the rock of secrecy and shed light on what is a lucrative
side business of fraudulent kit-build operations. Many of us will have
to wait and see if the few become hurt the many. I for one have been
attracted by the technology advances in avionics and systems as a result
of innovation, hard work and individual desire. Kit build is here to
stay. Whether the production shops can avoid what happened to Dr.
Cadwell is another thing. Lets get a series of DARs who actually test
the applicant on the skills and knowledge acquired before issuing the
certificate. Let the process find the crooked DARS who willfully issue
Airworthiness Certificates for the third, four and more identical
aircraft... they are the ones hurting the kit-build community.
John Cox - KUAO
Do not Archive - cause this subject has been beat ad nauseum
________________________________
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Schroeder,
Bob (Parts Clerk)
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:42 AM
John, don't get me wrong. I can't afford to do that either. As a matter
of fact I sold my RV10 and got an RV6A solely because I can't afford to
build the 10. Still, I guess that I don't really see the problem. It
seems that if there is going to be a market for our homebuilt aircraft,
(I hope, because I won't be able to fly forever) then it's one of the
things that we have to put up with. Would someone please quote the 51%
rule verbatim, here, as I still am under the belief that ii don't have
to build 51% of an airplane to own and fly it. It only matters for the
repairman's certificate. At least that's my understanding. Bill Cosby in
one of his comedy albums accused his brother of being the "big Jello
sheriff of the house" for pointing out to their father that he had
already had 2 helpings of Jello earlier. From my point of view, people
building planes for hire don't bother me and might possibly make the
market better. I have seen many homebuilt aircraft that I wouldn't to be
anywhere around, and if someone wants to buy an experimental aircraft
then he/she needs to spend some time verifying that the plane that they
are buying is a good one, be it me, that built it for my personal
"education and enjoyment" or from someone that wants to make money on
it. I hope that when it comes time to sell mine I can make some money
(in fifteen years). I'm just saying that putting the spot light on the
situation for "big brother" to stick his nose under the edge of the tent
as it were, is just asking for rules designed for the lowest common
denominator in people have an adverse affect on the rest of us that play
by the rules.
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Lenhardt
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:11 PM
The point of the "51% Rule" is to permit you, the amateur, to design and
build your own airplane that you can fly in the National Airspace system
without having to go the "certified" route because it is for your own
education and enjoyment. The intent is not to manufacture airplanes.
That's what we're talking about here.
If you want to build and sell airplanes, become an aircraft manufacturer
like Piper or Cessna and get the your aircraft certified to Part 23
standards.
John
#40262
----- Original Message -----
From: Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk)
<mailto:BSchroeder@uta.cog.ut.us>
If on the other hand I just have lots of money and don't care if
the local FBO rakes me over the coals to work on my "experimental
aircraft" then why would anyone care except for the people involved? It
seems to me that some people are upset because someone else can do
something that they cannot do (jealous or some other feeling) so lets
put a spot light on the situation.
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| Subject: | Re: FW: [LML] Re: 51% rule discussion |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Here is more on the sensitive subject.
John Cox
Do not Archive
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 14:41:09 -0000
"rob_schalk" <schalkr@fuse.net> wrote:
Some discussion recently about the 51% rule, this FAA order (hopefully
links work below) is more geared toward commercial assistance, but the
51% rule as well as other experimental rules will probably see some
changes coming about (possibly more good than bad); or at least more
oversight by the FAA. Our local FSDO, as well as others, are staffing
up their offices to accommodate the experimental market.
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgOrders.nsf/0
/efe4866385f304a0862571b800535d7a/$FILE/Order1110.143.pdf
(or)
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgOrders.nsf/0
/EFE4866385F304A0862571B800535D7A?OpenDocument
Robert Schalk
Fleet Maintenance Airworthiness Inspector
Executive Jet(r) Management
-A Netjets Company
513-979-6793 Office
513-324-1531 Cell
513-979-6677 Fax
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| Subject: | Re: -10's for sale in quantity, available today |
Bob,
"Big Brother" already is aware of the "bending of the rules".
The discussions here are about insuring that our "hobby" is not crippled by
those who might blatantly violate the rules. If the rules are violated then
either they will get changed or enforcement could end up "over the top".
I don't think anyone is concerned about a builder who builds a plane, flys
it for a few years, decides to sell it and build something different for yet
another REAL educational experience.
Actually I think there is value in "Big Brother" seeing that there are some
(many. many) builders who ARE in the mode of SELF-POLICING.
James
On 8/3/06, Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk) <BSchroeder@uta.cog.ut.us> wrote:
>
> John, don't get me wrong. I can't afford to do that either. As a matter
> of fact I sold my RV10 and got an RV6A solely because I can't afford to
> build the 10. Still, I guess
>
<<<SNIP>>>
n years). I'm just saying that putting the spot light on the situation for
> "big brother" to stick his nose under the edge of the tent as it were, is
> just asking for rules designed for the lowest common denominator in people
> have an adverse affect on the rest of us that play by the rules.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Lenhardt
> *Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2006 3:11 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: -10's for sale in quantity, available today
>
>
> The point of the "51% Rule" is to permit you, the amateur, to design and
> build your own airplane that you can fly in the National Airspace system
> without having to go the "certified" route because it is for your own
> education and enjoyment. The intent is not to manufacture airplanes.
> That's what we're talking about here.
>
>
> If you want to build and sell airplanes, become an aircraft manufacturer
> like Piper or Cessna and get the your aircraft certified to Part 23
> standards.
>
>
> John
>
> #40262
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk) <BSchroeder@uta.cog.ut.us>
>
>
> If on the other hand I just have lots of money and don't care if the local
> FBO rakes me over the coals to work on my "experimental aircraft" then why
> would anyone care except for the people involved? It seems to me that some
> people are upset because someone else can do something that they cannot do
> (jealous or some other feeling) so lets put a spot light on the situation.
>
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| Subject: | -10's for sale in quantity, available today |
How 'bout them Red Sox?!?
TDT
Do not archive
________________________________
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Clark
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:32 PM
Bob,
"Big Brother" already is aware of the "bending of the rules".
The discussions here are about insuring that our "hobby" is not crippled
by those who might blatantly violate the rules. If the rules are
violated then either they will get changed or enforcement could end up
"over the top".
I don't think anyone is concerned about a builder who builds a plane,
flys it for a few years, decides to sell it and build something
different for yet another REAL educational experience.
Actually I think there is value in "Big Brother" seeing that there are
some (many. many) builders who ARE in the mode of SELF-POLICING.
James
On 8/3/06, Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk) <BSchroeder@uta.cog.ut.us>
wrote:
John, don't get me wrong. I can't afford to do that either. As a matter
of fact I sold my RV10 and got an RV6A solely because I can't afford to
build the 10. Still, I guess
<<<SNIP>>>
n years). I'm just saying that putting the spot light on the
situation for "big brother" to stick his nose under the edge of the tent
as it were, is just asking for rules designed for the lowest common
denominator in people have an adverse affect on the rest of us that play
by the rules.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Lenhardt
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:11 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: -10's for sale in quantity, available
today
The point of the "51% Rule" is to permit you, the amateur, to
design and build your own airplane that you can fly in the National
Airspace system without having to go the "certified" route because it is
for your own education and enjoyment. The intent is not to manufacture
airplanes. That's what we're talking about here.
If you want to build and sell airplanes, become an aircraft
manufacturer like Piper or Cessna and get the your aircraft certified to
Part 23 standards.
John
#40262
----- Original Message -----
From: Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk)
<mailto:BSchroeder@uta.cog.ut.us>
If on the other hand I just have lots of money and don't care if
the local FBO rakes me over the coals to work on my "experimental
aircraft" then why would anyone care except for the people involved? It
seems to me that some people are upset because someone else can do
something that they cannot do (jealous or some other feeling) so lets
put a spot light on the situation.
--
This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
james@nextupventures.com .
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| Subject: | W-1007E extends beyond rear spar flange. pg 15-3 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jae Chang" <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
I just want to close this thread. I got a response back from Van's. They
said it is not an issue. I could file the bit that over-extends the
flange, if I want to.
I will just continue on and hope for the best, as always.
Jae
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Jae,The real problem is not just that the doubler extends beyong the
spar cap, but when they make these parts ALL of the holes are
punched/drilled prior to bending, and when the bends get made wrong,
(which is what is causing the problem) it will shift all of the holes,
some might be tempted to match drill lthe holes into the doubler and
continue, but all of these holes will be misalligned with the skins,
when it come time to put them on, check to make sure this isn't the case
with the parts you get, (I'm a bit surprised to see this problem showing
up in later wing kits).
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse/Finishing/Panel
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: W-1007E extends beyond rear spar flange. pg 15-3 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Jae, FWIW check that the distance of the holes in the spar cap from the
edge is the same all of the way along the spar. In the spar I received
they were not, which meant that the holes were not going to align with
the wing skins. Also I had a small gap at the bend between the spar and
the doubler, when I received the new spar there was no gap and the
pieces fit snuggly.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse/Finishing/Panel
http://deemsrv10.com/
Jae Chang wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jae Chang" <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
>
>I just want to close this thread. I got a response back from Van's. They
>said it is not an issue. I could file the bit that over-extends the
>flange, if I want to.
>
>I will just continue on and hope for the best, as always.
>
>Jae
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
>Jae,The real problem is not just that the doubler extends beyong the
>spar cap, but when they make these parts ALL of the holes are
>punched/drilled prior to bending, and when the bends get made wrong,
>(which is what is causing the problem) it will shift all of the holes,
>some might be tempted to match drill lthe holes into the doubler and
>continue, but all of these holes will be misalligned with the skins,
>when it come time to put them on, check to make sure this isn't the case
>
>with the parts you get, (I'm a bit surprised to see this problem showing
>
>up in later wing kits).
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Thank you, Mr. Cox.
The End.
John Lenhardt
#40262
Still Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: John W. Cox
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:54 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: -10's for sale in quantity, available today
Bob, let me pipe in for Mr. Lenhardt. Anyone purchasing or
considering purchase of a Kitplane should have the passage memorized to
heart and understand the journey (which should be unending - education).
The build rule has never been 51% of the work. It is 51% of the
appropriate tasks. Yes, you can hire your neighbor or the kids at Home
Depot to help with much of the work. The Task Force is reviewing which
build tasks are appropriate for compliance as a result of builders
installing glass cockpits, faster speeds, higher performance, advanced
build materials and improved build techniques. The Fast Build concept
was not even in existence when the rule was originally adopted. The FAA
has waived powerplant, interior, exterior topcoat paint, aircraft
wiring, firewall forward and a bunch of stuff as tasks. Example: Wood
ribs, fabric covering and other build tasks not appropriate to aluminum
riveted or composite construction. Now add Stir Welding to the pot
along with 1250 shp turboprop powerplants and they need to update the
tasks quickly.
Fast Build is predicated on the builder still having to demonstrate
knowledge and skill at those tasks which are Appropriate. Van took some
of the mundane, repetitive tasks and agreed with the FAA to allow
foreign nationals to do the repetition. The Amateur built Kitplane was
never intended to allow individuals or businesses to go into production
for the intent to repetitive resell. The FAA has always allowed the
sale of a homebuilt aircraft to a single non-builder. The glaring spot
light last year was on the advanced technology and the lack of tasks on
Rick Schrameck's Epic LT (which by the way is going into kit form with
twin turbine jet engines). Maybe now you see the technology dilemma.
And Rick has been clear he is headed the same path as Lance Neuberger
into a Certified Production Certificate (Columbia) here in Bend, OR.
The Task Force will have to deal with the sticky situation of
individuals who build two, three or ten aircraft under the Amateur Built
Rule with the clear intent to mask and avoid compliance with a Certified
Part 23 Production aircraft process. Education is either not their goal
or they are really slow learners.
Big Brother allowed this homebuilt rule, it is the errant builders who
have lifted the rock of secrecy and shed light on what is a lucrative
side business of fraudulent kit-build operations. Many of us will have
to wait and see if the few become hurt the many. I for one have been
attracted by the technology advances in avionics and systems as a result
of innovation, hard work and individual desire. Kit build is here to
stay. Whether the production shops can avoid what happened to Dr.
Cadwell is another thing. Lets get a series of DARs who actually test
the applicant on the skills and knowledge acquired before issuing the
certificate. Let the process find the crooked DARS who willfully issue
Airworthiness Certificates for the third, four and more identical
aircraft. they are the ones hurting the kit-build community.
John Cox - KUAO
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Schroeder,
Bob (Parts Clerk)
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:42 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: -10's for sale in quantity, available today
John, don't get me wrong. I can't afford to do that either. As a
matter of fact I sold my RV10 and got an RV6A solely because I can't
afford to build the 10. Still, I guess that I don't really see the
problem. It seems that if there is going to be a market for our
homebuilt aircraft, (I hope, because I won't be able to fly forever)
then it's one of the things that we have to put up with. Would someone
please quote the 51% rule verbatim, here, as I still am under the belief
that ii don't have to build 51% of an airplane to own and fly it. It
only matters for the repairman's certificate. At least that's my
understanding. Bill Cosby in one of his comedy albums accused his
brother of being the "big Jello sheriff of the house" for pointing out
to their father that he had already had 2 helpings of Jello earlier.
and might possibly make the market better. I have seen many homebuilt
aircraft that I wouldn't to be anywhere around, and if someone wants to
buy an experimental aircraft then he/she needs to spend some time
verifying that the plane that they are buying is a good one, be it me,
that built it for my personal "education and enjoyment" or from someone
that wants to make money on it. I hope that when it comes time to sell
mine I can make some money (in fifteen years). I'm just saying that
putting the spot light on the situation for "big brother" to stick his
nose under the edge of the tent as it were, is just asking for rules
designed for the lowest common denominator in people have an adverse
affect on the rest of us that play by the rules.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Lenhardt
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:11 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: -10's for sale in quantity, available today
The point of the "51% Rule" is to permit you, the amateur, to design
and build your own airplane that you can fly in the National Airspace
system without having to go the "certified" route because it is for your
own education and enjoyment. The intent is not to manufacture
airplanes. That's what we're talking about here.
If you want to build and sell airplanes, become an aircraft
manufacturer like Piper or Cessna and get the your aircraft certified to
Part 23 standards.
John
#40262
----- Original Message -----
From: Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk)
If on the other hand I just have lots of money and don't care if the
local FBO rakes me over the coals to work on my "experimental aircraft"
then why would anyone care except for the people involved? It seems to
me that some people are upset because someone else can do something that
they cannot do (jealous or some other feeling) so lets put a spot light
on the situation.
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| Subject: | IO-540-C4B5 engine choice |
Additionally, Certificated airplanes either call for the C4B5 or the D4A5.
The Piper Aztec uses the "C4B5" which is rated for 250 HP at 2575 RPM. The
EXACT SAME engine turning at 2700 RPM gives you 260 HP, and this is the
designation of "D4A5." I just went through this last night with my
overhauler who wrote in my engine logbook .C4B5. As an experimental builder
I just run the engine at 2700 RPM and I'll be operating a D4A5. This is not
overrunning the engine like stroking or high compression pistons does, and
reaching recommended TBO should be a non-issue as long as you take care of
your engine.
you arrive at each derivative starting from an O-540-ALA.
Model
HP
T/O
Fuel
C.R.
DESCRIPTION
Suffix
RPM
IO-540-D4A5
260
2700
100/100LL
8.50:1
Same as O-540-E4A5 but with Bendix fuel injection
-48
O-540-E4A5
260
2700
100/i00LL
8.50:1
Same as -A4D5 except for higher speed and rating
-40
O-540-A4D5
250/235
2575/2400
100/100LL
8.50:1
Same as -A1D5 but with more effective counterweights for use with Hartzell
"compact" propeller
-40
O-540-A1D5
250/235
2575/2400
100/100LL
8.50:1
Same as -A1B5 except for Retard Breaker Magnetos
-40
O-540-A1B5
250/235
2575/2400
100/100LL
8.50:1
Same as -A1A5 except for short propeller governor studs and two impulse
magnetos
-40
O-540-A1A5
250/235
2575/2400
100/100LL
8.50:1
Same as O-540-A1A but one fifth and one sixth order counterweights
-40
O-540-ALA
250/235
2575/2400
100/100LL
8.50:1
Two sixth order counterweights
-40
IO-540-C4B5
250
2575
100/100LL
8.50:1
Same as -C1B5 but with more effective counterweights for use with Hartzell
"compact,, propeller
-48
IO-540-C1B5
250
2575
100/100LL
8.50:1
Same as O-540-A1D5 but with Bendix fuel injector
-48
O-540-A1D5
250/235
2575/2400
100/100LL
8.50:1
Same as -A1B5 except for Retard Breaker Magnetos
-40
O-540-A1B5
250/235
2575/2400
100/100LL
8.50:1
Same as -A1A5 except for short propeller governor studs and two impulse
magnetos
-40
O-540-A1A5
250/235
2575/2400
100/100LL
8.50:1
Same as O-540-A1A but one fifth and one sixth order counterweights
-40
O-540-ALA
250/235
2575/2400
100/100LL
8.50:1
Two sixth order counterweights
-40
Rob Wright
#392
Wings
Picking up engine tomorrow!
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Bewley
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:21 AM
Kevin:
The C4B5 is a parallel head IO-540 and is the exact same engine as the D4A5
except in certified category except that is derated for a different power
setting. It is an excellent choice for your-10.
Regards,
Rhonda Barrett-Bewley
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.
Tulsa, OK 74115
(918) 835-1089 phone
(918) 835-1754 fax
www.barrettprecisionengines.com <http://www.barrettprecisionengines.com/>
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Belue, Kevin
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:04 AM
I'm thinking about an engine for my plane and would appreciate info on the
following:
Has anyone installed an IO-540-C4B5 engine in an RV-10?
Does anyone know of problems using this engine in an RV10?
Kevin
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| Subject: | Window overspray |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
Some time ago there were some great responses on how to remove overspray
from the windows. At the time I was scoffing the idea and didn't save what
would now be some extremely valuable information. Any reposting, or at
least the proper search words (no luck on my part), would be deeply
appreciated.
Thanks,
Marcus
40286 - engine running, dangerously close to inspection time! If I can just
get all the Gucci panels programmed I'll be in business.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Window overspray |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
I have it on fairly good authority that acetone can remove overspray from
the windows without leaving any marks or damaging the plexi. Other than
that, MicroMesh from Spruce for PolyCarb should do the trick, but is very
labor-intensive.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:39 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
Some time ago there were some great responses on how to remove overspray
from the windows. At the time I was scoffing the idea and didn't save what
would now be some extremely valuable information. Any reposting, or at
least the proper search words (no luck on my part), would be deeply
appreciated.
Thanks,
Marcus
40286 - engine running, dangerously close to inspection time! If I can just
get all the Gucci panels programmed I'll be in business.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: IO-540-C4B5 engine choice |
N710RV (flying RV-10) has an IO-540-C4B5. It is the same engine that
Van's sales as the D model, with a different data plate. Piper
specified the design specs for their Apace aircraft and Lycoming took
the 260 HP engine and downrated it from 2700 rpm to 2550 and put a C4B5
data plate on it.
How do I know? Both engines have the same part numbers for all the
internal parts.
I bought a core and had my IA overhaul the engine. I run it at 2700 rpm
for the full 260 HP. Works great.
Russ Daves
----- Original Message -----
From: Belue, Kevin
To: 'rv10-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:03 AM
Subject: RV10-List: IO-540-C4B5 engine choice
I'm thinking about an engine for my plane and would appreciate info on
the following:
Has anyone installed an IO-540-C4B5 engine in an RV-10?
Does anyone know of problems using this engine in an RV10?
Kevin
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Hi
I want to introduce my self to the -10 List.
During an evening discussion last week at KOSH, I was chatting with an
acquaintance about homebuilt and how I want to build *something*
*someday*.
In past years I had looked at some of the plastic designs but I am a bit
wary of putting a lot of time & money into these designs. My
acquaintance
suggested that I look at the RV-10.
To make a long story short, I was quite impressed with the aluminum
design,
match drilled quick build kit and performance specs of the -10. For the
moment, my investment is limited to the info kits sold at the Van booth
at
KOSH. What I am doing is sorting out the logistics of building an a/c.
This
includes finding out what builder support is available locally and
seeing
what sheet metal courses are available at the local trade school. I am
also
researching Canadian building / inspection / certification requirements
etc.
I do have a few questions for the list, questions that may help me
decide if
I want to take Van's $30k demo ride.
* How difficult is it to follow the building instructions?
* How much space is required? My wife has graciously donated 2 of the
3 bays in our garage (provided her car doesn't winter outside). I expect
to
have a 20' x 20' space available. Is this sufficient for all but the
final
assembly?
* The Van info includes a flyer from AIR-CRAFTERS who operate a build
center. They suggest that I can build the -10 tail kit in 10 days at
their
facility after teaching me to do things right. Does anyone have
experience
with this firm? Is this a worthwhile investment?
* What things should a first time builder be wary of?
Cheers
Les Kearney
Alberta, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Window overspray |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I think I was the one, Marcus, who put out that post you're thinking
of. I've now had the occasion on 2 planes, at 2 times, to use
a product called "scratch off".
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1154658472-328-402&browse=airframe&product=scratch-off
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/menus/ncs18.php
I even took the time to swing by and thank them again at OSH because
it truly is a fantastic kit. I had overspray and scratching on
an old plane since I bought it, and it cleaned up the windows
great. Then, I got paint overspray under the tape on my -10 and
it took all of that off and polished them up good. You won't
be disappointed if you use as directed. Very nice, and doesn't
really take a lot of work or time. I only used I think the
2 finest grits on the -10, or worst case I used 3 of the 4.
You just use an electric drill and it takes almost no time.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:39 PM
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
>
> Some time ago there were some great responses on how to remove overspray
> from the windows. At the time I was scoffing the idea and didn't save what
> would now be some extremely valuable information. Any reposting, or at
> least the proper search words (no luck on my part), would be deeply
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
> 40286 - engine running, dangerously close to inspection time! If I can just
> get all the Gucci panels programmed I'll be in business.
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hi Les, Sorry, but we don't welcome canadians here, and this
list is no good at support. <Just kidding!>
The plans are pretty good to follow in the beginning and progressively
get a little harder as you go, but are very do-able for most people,
especially after you gain the experience in the early sections.
I built my tail section in 1/2 of our 2 car garage. After you join
it to the fuselage, you'll need to build probably in a 2 car garage
and at that point you're best off either hanging your wings on a
sidewall or storing them elsewhere. But if you get that 20x20'
area, you should be OK. Adding another 1-2' along one side would
give you plenty for pretty much anything.
Can't answer the builder assist question, but it seems like there
are a few good ones that might be worthwhile if you want to get
a fast start. Beware though that if you know you're going to
finish the kit, you probably should order all kit sections
at once if you go that route, because you're going to start needing
the wings soon, and those won't take you too long and you'll
need the fuselage. There's enough delay in getting those kit
sections that you'll need to think farther ahead.
There's nothing outstanding to be wary of. Do a very good job
of planning a realistic final cost, and plan the timeline and
budget to make sure you'll be able to meet the specified
costs. There is a lot of creep that can happen in the
estimate, so plan for it. It's nice to see builders take
on projects responsibly so they don't jeopardize anything of
major importance in their personal lives.
Good luck and you came to the right place to ask these
questions...this list is fantastic. Hope you get lots of
replies.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Les Kearney wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> * How difficult is it to follow the building instructions?
> * How much space is required? My wife has graciously donated 2 of
> the 3 bays in our garage (provided her car doesnt winter
> outside). I expect to have a 20 x 20 space available. Is this
> sufficient for all but the final assembly?
> * The Van info includes a flyer from AIR-CRAFTERS who operate a
> build center. They suggest that I can build the -10 tail kit in 10
> days at their facility after teaching me to do things right. Does
> anyone have experience with this firm? Is this a worthwhile
> investment?
> * What things should a first time builder be wary of?
> Cheers
>
> Les Kearney
>
> Alberta, Canada
>
>
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Hi Les:
I am currently building an RV-10. I have completed the tail and wings,
and am just starting on the fuselage. I will attempt to answer your
questions below:
a.. How difficult is it to follow the building instructions? The first
section is very detailed, with indepth explainations of everything.
Later it get much less detailed, and assumes you know the obvious
information. All in all, it is very well written and illustrated.
b.. How much space is required? My wife has graciously donated 2 of
the 3 bays in our garage (provided her car doesn't winter outside). I
expect to have a 20' x 20' space available. Is this sufficient for all
but the final assembly? I have a 3 car garage, and have built the tail
and wings in 1 bay of the garage...I have the same agreement with my
wife, her car is in the garage, and I store the finished wings in the
other bay. I am about to expand into part of the second bay, as the
fuselage grows.
c.. The Van info includes a flyer from AIR-CRAFTERS who operate a
build center. They suggest that I can build the -10 tail kit in 10 days
at their facility after teaching me to do things right. Does anyone have
experience with this firm? Is this a worthwhile investment? I don't
know, however, I have heard good results from other builders. Van's has
a tool box that you can purchase that is very good to practice on, you
do all the different types of riveting. many people, my self included,
just jump right in, and end up screwing-up the vertical stab skins, and
re-doing them.
d.. What things should a first time builder be wary of? Waiting to
order your kit until after the first of the year, when prices go up.
Don't buy anything until you are ready to install, especially
electronics. Its very tempting, but you end up with outdated,
overpriced stuff. Buy the RV tool kit from one of the tool companies,
and a small band saw, and drill press.
Hope this helps..take a good look at Tim Olson's web page, which you can
access through the Van's web site.
Steve Mills
40486 RV-10
Naperville, Illinois 630-308-7476 cell
working on fuselage
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Kearney
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:04 PM
Subject: RV10-List: New To The List
Hi
I want to introduce my self to the -10 List.
During an evening discussion last week at KOSH, I was chatting with an
acquaintance about homebuilt and how I want to build *something*
*someday*. In past years I had looked at some of the plastic designs but
I am a bit wary of putting a lot of time & money into these designs. My
acquaintance suggested that I look at the RV-10.
To make a long story short, I was quite impressed with the aluminum
design, match drilled quick build kit and performance specs of the -10.
For the moment, my investment is limited to the info kits sold at the
Van booth at KOSH. What I am doing is sorting out the logistics of
building an a/c. This includes finding out what builder support is
available locally and seeing what sheet metal courses are available at
the local trade school. I am also researching Canadian building /
inspection / certification requirements etc.
I do have a few questions for the list, questions that may help me
decide if I want to take Van's $30k demo ride.
a.. How difficult is it to follow the building instructions?
b.. How much space is required? My wife has graciously donated 2 of
the 3 bays in our garage (provided her car doesn't winter outside). I
expect to have a 20' x 20' space available. Is this sufficient for all
but the final assembly?
c.. The Van info includes a flyer from AIR-CRAFTERS who operate a
build center. They suggest that I can build the -10 tail kit in 10 days
at their facility after teaching me to do things right. Does anyone have
experience with this firm? Is this a worthwhile investment?
d.. What things should a first time builder be wary of?
Cheers
Les Kearney
Alberta, Canada
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----- Original Message -----
From: Les Kearney
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:04 PM
Subject: RV10-List: New To The List
Hi
I want to introduce my self to the -10 List.
During an evening discussion last week at KOSH, I was chatting with an
acquaintance about homebuilt and how I want to build *something*
*someday*. In past years I had looked at some of the plastic designs but
I am a bit wary of putting a lot of time & money into these designs. My
acquaintance suggested that I look at the RV-10.
To make a long story short, I was quite impressed with the aluminum
design, match drilled quick build kit and performance specs of the -10.
For the moment, my investment is limited to the info kits sold at the
Van booth at KOSH. What I am doing is sorting out the logistics of
building an a/c. This includes finding out what builder support is
available locally and seeing what sheet metal courses are available at
the local trade school. I am also researching Canadian building /
inspection / certification requirements etc.
I do have a few questions for the list, questions that may help me
decide if I want to take Van's $30k demo ride.
a.. How difficult is it to follow the building instructions?
b.. How much space is required? My wife has graciously donated 2 of
the 3 bays in our garage (provided her car doesn't winter outside). I
expect to have a 20' x 20' space available. Is this sufficient for all
but the final assembly?
c.. The Van info includes a flyer from AIR-CRAFTERS who operate a
build center. They suggest that I can build the -10 tail kit in 10 days
at their facility after teaching me to do things right. Does anyone have
experience with this firm? Is this a worthwhile investment?
d.. What things should a first time builder be wary of?
Cheers
Les Kearney
Alberta, Canada
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "change99" <change99@centurytel.net>
i went to Alexander Tech in Griffin GA and built my tail there in 7 days. i would
recommend them very highly. They have built over 200 RV tails and 10+ RV10
tails. I learned a great deal and I think it was a quality job.
Change99
finishing tail cone
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In a message dated 8/3/2006 11:30:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
change99@centurytel.net writes:
i went to Alexander Tech in Griffin GA and built my tail there in 7 days
Just HOW much did you build in 7 days???? The entire tail????? rudder,
elevators and all?
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
How far did you have to ship your completed tail, and how difficult was
the shipping?
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Part of what Tim Olson meant to me when he said to plan out your costs is
that, for an RV-10, the demo ride is between $90-120k (US). :]]
I've been building in less than a 20x20 workshop. When I got my QB Wings
and Fuse in, I had to store some of the tail sections in my rented hangar at
the airport. When my finishing kit came in I bought some shelves for many
parts, put the carton with the front seats on top of the dresser in the
bedroom, and put the door skins and cowlings in the hangar. It's amazing
how much time you can spend just walking around your large parts in the shop
in order to get a tool. Oh, my windshield and side windows are in the front
hall in the house as well. This HAS to be a family undertaking!
With the level of detail that's written into the plans I recommend as
Rick(?) did that you buy Van's toolbox practice kit, the RV tool kit from
somewhere (Avery, Isham's, Wicks, etc), get lots of insight from the list,
and jump in with both feet. The hardest hole to drill and rivet to set are
the first ones! Boil this statement down to say that if time is on your
side, skip the build center. The tail kit section is where you really lay
your personal skills down and the time invested here will pay dividends in
later subkits. I know others will chime in saying the build centers really
helped bolster their confidence so this obviously is merely from my
perspective. I attended a SportAir workshop on general sheetmetal work
before I started building. Besides some of the info papers they put out I
really think I could have begun construction without the workshop, but only
due to the level of detail in the plans.
Also as a first time builder, the biggest thing I try to be wary of is me.
It's easy to get bogged down on a task or think that there has to be a
"perfect" way to do things. Also, everyone out there in this industry will
try to sell you something that may or may not save money, increase
performance, or lessen your build time. It's up to you to wade through it
and decide what you'll want for your plane, and you just need to be
comfortable with those choices. Once again this very active list will be
more than happy to chime in and give its collective thoughts on anything
you'd like.
Take a trip back to the matronics webpage and learn how to search the RV-10
archive as well as using the "D0 N0T ARCHlVE" string in your emails. There
is SO much material in the archive. Most other questions past that point
will be answered on Tim Olson's webpage www.myrv10.com
<http://www.myrv10.com/> .
Rob Wright
#392
Wings
Pick up engine tomorrow!
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:04 PM
Hi
I want to introduce my self to the -10 List.
During an evening discussion last week at KOSH, I was chatting with an
acquaintance about homebuilt and how I want to build *something* *someday*.
In past years I had looked at some of the plastic designs but I am a bit
wary of putting a lot of time & money into these designs. My acquaintance
suggested that I look at the RV-10.
To make a long story short, I was quite impressed with the aluminum design,
match drilled quick build kit and performance specs of the -10. For the
moment, my investment is limited to the info kits sold at the Van booth at
KOSH. What I am doing is sorting out the logistics of building an a/c. This
includes finding out what builder support is available locally and seeing
what sheet metal courses are available at the local trade school. I am also
researching Canadian building / inspection / certification requirements etc.
I do have a few questions for the list, questions that may help me decide if
I want to take Van's $30k demo ride.
* How difficult is it to follow the building instructions?
* How much space is required? My wife has graciously donated 2 of the
3 bays in our garage (provided her car doesn't winter outside). I expect to
have a 20' x 20' space available. Is this sufficient for all but the final
assembly?
* The Van info includes a flyer from AIR-CRAFTERS who operate a build
center. They suggest that I can build the -10 tail kit in 10 days at their
facility after teaching me to do things right. Does anyone have experience
with this firm? Is this a worthwhile investment?
* What things should a first time builder be wary of?
Cheers
Les Kearney
Alberta, Canada
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "David M." <ainut@hiwaay.net>
you have a contact phone number for Alexander Tech, please?
Thanks,
David M.
LIKE2LOOP@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 8/3/2006 11:30:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> change99@centurytel.net writes:
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> 7 days
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> rudder, elevators and all?
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Les;
Not too long ago I was in the same predicament. I haven't started
building yet, but I can tell you what I have discovered.
I've looked at the plans and if you take them and review them a few
times before starting each step than start that step first in your mind
how you'll do it than with the actual pieces you'll find that it is
rather simple, if there is confusion initially you go to someone like
Tim Olson's website http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/index.html and see how
he explains that step.
2 Car garage should be plenty for the majority of the kits
I would suggest you take a Sportair course that will accomplish a couple
of objectives
1) Is Sheet metal something you can see spending 1000 plus hours working
with?
2) Is kit building everything you hoped it is- ie do you understand the
process, "gotchas" that may be encountered, etc
I have also heard there is a company in Oregon where the instructor is
first rate - I don't know enough about this but I believe it maybe
http://www.synergyair.com/
If you are looking to move this project along quickly Aircrafters is a
good solution to get the tail built quickly and learn the foundation as
you mentioned, you'll want to get the QB's as well then.
I gained much from my instructor, Dan Checkoway, in the Sportair course
and highly recommend it.
What things should a first time builder be wary of?
1) 1300-1500 hours spent and maybe even consumed in this project
2) There are costs for tools, kits, insurance, hangar, fuel, and
maintenance in general, all adds up to more than expected initially.
Van's makes it that it's inexpensive for the first kit and the price
doubles than quadriples as you move into the final kits for the
fusellage and finishing kit. This is when the engine and avionics are
being bought so expect that as you move along.
The RV-10 is a sweet flying aircraft. I was fortunate, a builder in
California spent time talking to me and took me for a flight I will
never forget, for his willingness to assist and help me go broke
building this plane. This is a solid group of people. I would suggest
looking for a fellow Canadian builder that will take you for a flight,
if possible, just be prepared to know that you will go into overdrive to
start wanting to build this plane after that experience.
My final advice is search the web for "RV-10", you'll find builders like
Deems and Tim have excellent step by step pictures and descriptions,
this will give you a really good sense of what is involved in building
this plane.
Best of success in your research, and hopeful building. Do let us know
how things work out.
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Kearney
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:04 PM
Subject: RV10-List: New To The List
Hi
I want to introduce my self to the -10 List.
During an evening discussion last week at KOSH, I was chatting with an
acquaintance about homebuilt and how I want to build *something*
*someday*. In past years I had looked at some of the plastic designs but
I am a bit wary of putting a lot of time & money into these designs. My
acquaintance suggested that I look at the RV-10.
To make a long story short, I was quite impressed with the aluminum
design, match drilled quick build kit and performance specs of the -10.
For the moment, my investment is limited to the info kits sold at the
Van booth at KOSH. What I am doing is sorting out the logistics of
building an a/c. This includes finding out what builder support is
available locally and seeing what sheet metal courses are available at
the local trade school. I am also researching Canadian building /
inspection / certification requirements etc.
I do have a few questions for the list, questions that may help me
decide if I want to take Van's $30k demo ride.
a.. How difficult is it to follow the building instructions?
b.. How much space is required? My wife has graciously donated 2 of
the 3 bays in our garage (provided her car doesn't winter outside). I
expect to have a 20' x 20' space available. Is this sufficient for all
but the final assembly?
c.. The Van info includes a flyer from AIR-CRAFTERS who operate a
build center. They suggest that I can build the -10 tail kit in 10 days
at their facility after teaching me to do things right. Does anyone have
experience with this firm? Is this a worthwhile investment?
d.. What things should a first time builder be wary of?
Cheers
Les Kearney
Alberta, Canada
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