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1. 03:29 AM - Re: gretzgretz (Wayne Edgerton)
2. 06:24 AM - Homecoming (Tim Olson)
3. 08:00 AM - Anyone actually FLYING with an alternative engine? (jdalton77)
4. 08:47 AM - CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like (Ralph E. Capen)
5. 09:13 AM - Re: CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like (Tim Olson)
6. 10:31 AM - alternator belt (David McNeill)
7. 10:57 AM - Re: CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like (Belue, Kevin)
8. 11:18 AM - Re: CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like ()
9. 11:37 AM - Re: CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like (Ralph E. Capen)
10. 11:42 AM - Re: CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like (Ralph E. Capen)
11. 06:21 PM - Homecoming Travel Update (Tim Olson)
12. 09:19 PM - Re: Anyone actually FLYING with an alternative engine? (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
13. 11:33 PM - Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
14. 11:36 PM - Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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You know for what ever it's worth I also went with the Gretz pitot tube,
I liked the idea of the auto on feature, and I installed the controller
for it right on the back of the inspection plate right next to where
it's mounted. I've attached a picture. I think it will make it very easy
to work on if necessary.
Also I think the tube is just a tad bit ugly so I call the owner who
sells the Gretz unit and ask him if I could paint it and he told me
that's not a problem. He said I could sand down the unit to smooth it up
a little. I also talked to my paint guy and he said not a problem to
paint it. Maybe if I paint it, it will blend into the underside and not
look quite so ugly :>}
Wayne Edgerton #40336
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Well, with the weather not looking good where we live,
and not wanting to go East this time, I decided to just
eat the extra hours and fuel and shoot for Oregon today.
We're leaving at about 4:00 CST and will try to
make it to Bozeman, MT before dark, and then on
to Aurora in the a.m., arriving after noon. This is
all weather dependent. We'll only be there for about
1/2 of Sat. and all of Sun., so I won't be trying to
schedule myself to visit too many of the locals,
but I hope to see some of you. We're going to only
hang at the homecoming for a couple hours I'd guess,
and then get some touring on Sunday so the kids can call
it a vacation too. Have to be back Monday eve for sure.
If we get stuck by weather, it'll all be cut short or
off, but we may hang out in SD, WY, or MT if we can't
make it to OR. It's going to be a marathon trip, but
lucky we have the RV-10.
Hope to see some of you there!
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying 118+ Hrs
do not archive
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| Subject: | Anyone actually FLYING with an alternative engine? |
Anything other than a "traditional" aircraft engine. Egg and Crossflow
both "claim" that multiple -10 builders have bought their engines.
Is anyone flying - or about to fly - with one of these (or another)?
Inquiring minds want to know . . .
Jeff
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| Subject: | CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Reposting since my original post failed to make it......
Fellow listers,
I'm trying to determine what the prop end of the crankshaft is supposed to look
like when it is set up for a constant speed prop.
Folks have written about plugs - but that doesn't tell me what to look for.
If it's plugged, should I only see the plug? If it's not plugged, what
does the inside look like?
FWIW, I'm not seeing 'just a plug' - I'm seeing stuff in there -
looks like a bar going across with a notch cut in to it...maybe to allow a tool
to get all the way in to the back.
Anyone have any drawings or photographs?
I know this is one that I don't want to have the wrong way...
Thanks,
Ralph Capen
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| Subject: | Re: CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hey Ralph,
The crankshaft has the large flange, maybe 6-8" but in the
center is about a 1.5" hole, or something bigger than an inch
I think. When they ship the engine then, they send it with
a plastic plug in the hole. I'm not sure what you do
if you are not using a C/S prop, but my guess is they'd
probably have some more permanent cap that gets put in.
I've never looked real far inside, but I think you'll
just see a big hole, that goes way in, right in the
dead center. I'm no expert...the only one I've ever
seen is my own.
Someone else may have to explain the bar and notch thing.
It may be that yours is just fine. I wish I could offer
you more info.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Ralph E. Capen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>
> Reposting since my original post failed to make it......
>
> Fellow listers,
>
> I'm trying to determine what the prop end of the crankshaft is supposed to look
> like when it is set up for a constant speed prop.
>
> Folks have written about plugs - but that doesn't tell me what to look for.
> If it's plugged, should I only see the plug? If it's not plugged, what
> does the inside look like?
>
> FWIW, I'm not seeing 'just a plug' - I'm seeing stuff in there -
> looks like a bar going across with a notch cut in to it...maybe to allow a tool
> to get all the way in to the back.
>
> Anyone have any drawings or photographs?
>
> I know this is one that I don't want to have the wrong way...
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph Capen
>
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MessageSearched the Van's site for the alternator belt for the IO540
with 9.75" pulley. It was not listed but the correct one for their 60a
alternator is DAYCO 15355 11A0900 (0167E7?). the last number I don't
think it is required.
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| Subject: | CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like |
Ralph,
I am not an A&P, but this is based on experience:
Hollow Lycoming cranks have two plug locations.
If a fixed-pitch prop is used, then a ~ 1.910" plug (Expansion Plug
STD-1211) goes in the end of the crank opening with no plug in the back of
the crank opening. The front plug is convex and is installed by tapping with
a hammer so that it tightens in the hole as it expands.
If a constant-speed prop is used, the front plug is not installed but there
is a smaller plug installed deep in the back of the crank opening, behind
the cross-tube. This plug can be difficult to install because the cross tube
must not be damaged. I believe the cross tube is where the pressurized oil
from the governor gets to the prop.
Some rear plugs have a setscrew-type plug in them so you don't have to
remove the whole plug, just the setscrew when you are using a fixed-pitch
prop.
The front and rear plug should not be installed at the same time, else the
oil pressure can build up and blow out the front plug, loosing a lot of oil.
Since you see the cross tube, it is setup for a constant-speed prop if the
rear plug is installed.
I've included a cross-section picture of the crank in this email, but if
does not appear you can see it in: Service Bulletin 505B.
Kevin D. Belue
RV6A ~700 hrs.
RV10 finish kit
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ralph E. Capen [mailto:recapen@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:46 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com; rv6-list@matronics.com;
rv10-list@matronics.com;
> lycomingengines-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>
> Reposting since my original post failed to make it......
>
> Fellow listers,
>
> I'm trying to determine what the prop end of the crankshaft is supposed to
look
> like when it is set up for a constant speed prop.
>
> Folks have written about plugs - but that doesn't tell me what to look
for.
> If it's plugged, should I only see the plug? If it's not plugged, what
> does the inside look like?
>
> FWIW, I'm not seeing 'just a plug' - I'm seeing stuff in there -
> looks like a bar going across with a notch cut in to it...maybe to allow a
tool
> to get all the way in to the back.
>
> Anyone have any drawings or photographs?
>
> I know this is one that I don't want to have the wrong way...
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph Capen
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>I am not an A&P, but this is based on
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hollow Lycoming cranks have two plug
locations. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>If a fixed-pitch prop is used, then a ~
1.910"
plug (Expansion Plug STD-1211) goes in the end of the crank opening
with no
plug in the back of the crank opening. The front plug is convex and is
installed by tapping with a hammer so that it tightens in the hole as
it
expands. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>If a constant-speed prop is used, the front
plug is
not installed but there is a smaller plug installed deep in the back of
the
crank opening, behind the cross-tube. This plug can be difficult to
install
because the cross tube must not be damaged. I believe the cross tube is
where
the pressurized oil from the governor gets to the
prop.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Some rear plugs have a setscrew-type plug in
them so
you don't have to remove the whole plug, just the setscrew when you are
using a fixed-pitch prop.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>The front and rear plug should not be
installed at the
same time, else the oil pressure can build up and blow out the front
plug,
loosing a lot of oil.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Since you see the cross tube, it is setup
for a
constant-speed prop if the rear plug is
installed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I've included a cross-section picture of the
crank in this email, but if does not appear you can see it in: Service
Bulletin
505B.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Kevin D. Belue<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>RV6A ~700 hrs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>> From: Ralph E. Capen
[mailto:recapen@earthlink.net]</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:46
AM</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>> To: <st1:PersonName
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>> Subject: RV10-List: CS Crankshaft end -
what's it
look like</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>> --> RV10-List message posted by:
"Ralph
E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>> Reposting since my original post failed
to make
it......</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>> Fellow listers,</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> I'm trying to determine what the prop
end of the
crankshaft is supposed to look</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> like when it is set up for a constant
speed prop.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> Folks have written about plugs - but
that doesn't
tell me what to look for.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> If it's plugged, should I only see the
plug? If it's not plugged, what</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> does the inside look
like?</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> FWIW, I'm not seeing 'just a plug' -
I'm seeing
stuff in there -</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> looks like a bar going across with a
notch cut in
to it...maybe to allow a tool</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> to get all the way in to the
back.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> Anyone have any drawings or
photographs?</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> I know this is one that I don't want to
have the
wrong way...</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>> Thanks,</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=3 face="Century
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>> Ralph Capen</span></font></p>
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| Subject: | CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like |
--> RV10-List message posted by: <rickgray@adelphia.net>
Correct on 'most' of this.
Clarification: the 'crossover' tube is NOT where the oil from the govenor enters
the crank.....that oil is introduced forward of the crossover tube.....you can
see the hole if you look inside of the crank (if it's set up for C/S). The
crossover tube, also called a 'slinger' tube or a 'sludge' tube is where oil that
seeps through the large front bearing #1/#2 ends up. The tube is slightly
off center....the oil enters from both ends of the tube from the surrounding bearing
and is eventually thrown out of the CENTER of the tube where centrifugal
force will throw any impurities to the inner sidewall of the hollow crankshaft....and
the oil will run back down the shaft into the sump. If/when you remove
a prop for conversion or whatever you'll typically see a buildup of sludge
in this area....don't be alarmed.....just make a little 'hoe' out of some soft
.020 and drag it out then clean things up.
Hope this helps.
Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm - Ohio Valley RVators - too many RV's to list
http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/
>
> Ralph,
>
>
>
> I am not an A&P, but this is based on experience:
>
>
>
> Hollow Lycoming cranks have two plug locations.
>
>
>
> If a fixed-pitch prop is used, then a ~ 1.910" plug (Expansion Plug
> STD-1211) goes in the end of the crank opening with no plug in the back of
> the crank opening. The front plug is convex and is installed by tapping with
> a hammer so that it tightens in the hole as it expands.
>
>
>
> If a constant-speed prop is used, the front plug is not installed but there
> is a smaller plug installed deep in the back of the crank opening, behind
> the cross-tube. This plug can be difficult to install because the cross tube
> must not be damaged. I believe the cross tube is where the pressurized oil
> from the governor gets to the prop.
>
>
>
> Some rear plugs have a setscrew-type plug in them so you don't have to
> remove the whole plug, just the setscrew when you are using a fixed-pitch
> prop.
>
>
>
> The front and rear plug should not be installed at the same time, else the
> oil pressure can build up and blow out the front plug, loosing a lot of oil.
>
>
>
> Since you see the cross tube, it is setup for a constant-speed prop if the
> rear plug is installed.
>
>
>
> I've included a cross-section picture of the crank in this email, but if
> does not appear you can see it in: Service Bulletin 505B.
>
>
>
> Kevin D. Belue
>
> RV6A ~700 hrs.
>
> RV10 finish kit
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: Ralph E. Capen [mailto:recapen@earthlink.net]
>
> > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:46 AM
>
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com; rv6-list@matronics.com;
> rv10-list@matronics.com;
>
> > lycomingengines-list@matronics.com
>
> > Subject: RV10-List: CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like
>
> >
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>
> >
>
> > Reposting since my original post failed to make it......
>
> >
>
> > Fellow listers,
>
> >
>
> > I'm trying to determine what the prop end of the crankshaft is supposed to
> look
>
> > like when it is set up for a constant speed prop.
>
> >
>
> > Folks have written about plugs - but that doesn't tell me what to look
> for.
>
> > If it's plugged, should I only see the plug? If it's not plugged, what
>
> > does the inside look like?
>
> >
>
> > FWIW, I'm not seeing 'just a plug' - I'm seeing stuff in there -
>
> > looks like a bar going across with a notch cut in to it...maybe to allow a
> tool
>
> > to get all the way in to the back.
>
> >
>
> > Anyone have any drawings or photographs?
>
> >
>
> > I know this is one that I don't want to have the wrong way...
>
> >
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Ralph Capen
>
>
>
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| Subject: | CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Thanks Kevin!
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Belue, Kevin" <KBelue@drs-tem.com>
>Sent: Sep 1, 2006 1:53 PM
>To: "'rv10-list@matronics.com'" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like
>
>
>
>Ralph,
>
>
>
>I am not an A&P, but this is based on experience:
>
>
>
>Hollow Lycoming cranks have two plug locations.
>
>
>
>If a fixed-pitch prop is used, then a ~ 1.910" plug (Expansion Plug
>STD-1211) goes in the end of the crank opening with no plug in the back of
>the crank opening. The front plug is convex and is installed by tapping with
>a hammer so that it tightens in the hole as it expands.
>
>
>
>If a constant-speed prop is used, the front plug is not installed but there
>is a smaller plug installed deep in the back of the crank opening, behind
>the cross-tube. This plug can be difficult to install because the cross tube
>must not be damaged. I believe the cross tube is where the pressurized oil
>from the governor gets to the prop.
>
>
>
>Some rear plugs have a setscrew-type plug in them so you don't have to
>remove the whole plug, just the setscrew when you are using a fixed-pitch
>prop.
>
>
>
>The front and rear plug should not be installed at the same time, else the
>oil pressure can build up and blow out the front plug, loosing a lot of oil.
>
>
>
>Since you see the cross tube, it is setup for a constant-speed prop if the
>rear plug is installed.
>
>
>
>I've included a cross-section picture of the crank in this email, but if
>does not appear you can see it in: Service Bulletin 505B.
>
>
>
>Kevin D. Belue
>
>RV6A ~700 hrs.
>
>RV10 finish kit
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: Ralph E. Capen [mailto:recapen@earthlink.net]
>
>> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:46 AM
>
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com; rv6-list@matronics.com;
>rv10-list@matronics.com;
>
>> lycomingengines-list@matronics.com
>
>> Subject: RV10-List: CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like
>
>>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>
>>
>
>> Reposting since my original post failed to make it......
>
>>
>
>> Fellow listers,
>
>>
>
>> I'm trying to determine what the prop end of the crankshaft is supposed to
>look
>
>> like when it is set up for a constant speed prop.
>
>>
>
>> Folks have written about plugs - but that doesn't tell me what to look
>for.
>
>> If it's plugged, should I only see the plug? If it's not plugged, what
>
>> does the inside look like?
>
>>
>
>> FWIW, I'm not seeing 'just a plug' - I'm seeing stuff in there -
>
>> looks like a bar going across with a notch cut in to it...maybe to allow a
>tool
>
>> to get all the way in to the back.
>
>>
>
>> Anyone have any drawings or photographs?
>
>>
>
>> I know this is one that I don't want to have the wrong way...
>
>>
>
>> Thanks,
>
>> Ralph Capen
>
>
>
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| Subject: | CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Thanks Rick!
-----Original Message-----
>From: rickgray@adelphia.net
>Sent: Sep 1, 2006 2:16 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: <rickgray@adelphia.net>
>
>Correct on 'most' of this.
>Clarification: the 'crossover' tube is NOT where the oil from the govenor enters
the crank.....that oil is introduced forward of the crossover tube.....you
can see the hole if you look inside of the crank (if it's set up for C/S). The
crossover tube, also called a 'slinger' tube or a 'sludge' tube is where oil
that seeps through the large front bearing #1/#2 ends up. The tube is slightly
off center....the oil enters from both ends of the tube from the surrounding
bearing and is eventually thrown out of the CENTER of the tube where centrifugal
force will throw any impurities to the inner sidewall of the hollow crankshaft....and
the oil will run back down the shaft into the sump. If/when you remove
a prop for conversion or whatever you'll typically see a buildup of sludge
in this area....don't be alarmed.....just make a little 'hoe' out of some soft
.020 and drag it out then clean things up.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm - Ohio Valley RVators - too many RV's to list
>http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/
>
>
>>
>> Ralph,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am not an A&P, but this is based on experience:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hollow Lycoming cranks have two plug locations.
>>
>>
>>
>> If a fixed-pitch prop is used, then a ~ 1.910" plug (Expansion Plug
>> STD-1211) goes in the end of the crank opening with no plug in the back of
>> the crank opening. The front plug is convex and is installed by tapping with
>> a hammer so that it tightens in the hole as it expands.
>>
>>
>>
>> If a constant-speed prop is used, the front plug is not installed but there
>> is a smaller plug installed deep in the back of the crank opening, behind
>> the cross-tube. This plug can be difficult to install because the cross tube
>> must not be damaged. I believe the cross tube is where the pressurized oil
>> from the governor gets to the prop.
>>
>>
>>
>> Some rear plugs have a setscrew-type plug in them so you don't have to
>> remove the whole plug, just the setscrew when you are using a fixed-pitch
>> prop.
>>
>>
>>
>> The front and rear plug should not be installed at the same time, else the
>> oil pressure can build up and blow out the front plug, loosing a lot of oil.
>>
>>
>>
>> Since you see the cross tube, it is setup for a constant-speed prop if the
>> rear plug is installed.
>>
>>
>>
>> I've included a cross-section picture of the crank in this email, but if
>> does not appear you can see it in: Service Bulletin 505B.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kevin D. Belue
>>
>> RV6A ~700 hrs.
>>
>> RV10 finish kit
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>>
>> > From: Ralph E. Capen [mailto:recapen@earthlink.net]
>>
>> > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:46 AM
>>
>> > To: rv-list@matronics.com; rv6-list@matronics.com;
>> rv10-list@matronics.com;
>>
>> > lycomingengines-list@matronics.com
>>
>> > Subject: RV10-List: CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like
>>
>> >
>>
>> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Reposting since my original post failed to make it......
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Fellow listers,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I'm trying to determine what the prop end of the crankshaft is supposed to
>> look
>>
>> > like when it is set up for a constant speed prop.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Folks have written about plugs - but that doesn't tell me what to look
>> for.
>>
>> > If it's plugged, should I only see the plug? If it's not plugged, what
>>
>> > does the inside look like?
>>
>> >
>>
>> > FWIW, I'm not seeing 'just a plug' - I'm seeing stuff in there -
>>
>> > looks like a bar going across with a notch cut in to it...maybe to allow a
>> tool
>>
>> > to get all the way in to the back.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Anyone have any drawings or photographs?
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I know this is one that I don't want to have the wrong way...
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Thanks,
>>
>> > Ralph Capen
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
So far it's not been the greatest of conditions for a 1300 nm trip.
I trudged through some soggy skies for a couple hours today and ended
up hitting some heavier rain just past Aberdeen SD and stopped for
the night. So with just over 1000nm to go, I'm not sure what's
going to happen. For some reason, there's this pile of non-moving
junk over eastern SD, and it isn't moving. I figure if I get
out of it in the a.m. I may still be able to salvage the trip, but
I'm going to be left with less available time at Aurora. Depending
on the situation in the a.m., we may end up there. Not 100% sure
at this point. Just wanted to update those on the other end
who wanted to know. Maybe we'll still see you tomorrow, but it
may take until 3pm or so.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Anyone actually FLYING with an alternative engine? |
Eggenfellner has not shipped it to me yet, but I will be flying 3-4
months after I get it.
Dan
40269
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdalton77
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:59 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Anyone actually FLYING with an alternative engine?
Anything other than a "traditional" aircraft engine. Egg and Crossflow
both "claim" that multiple -10 builders have bought their engines.
Is anyone flying - or about to fly - with one of these (or another)?
Inquiring minds want to know . . .
Jeff
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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