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1. 11:09 AM - Hello? (Matt Dralle)
2. 11:36 AM - Re: Hello? (James Hein)
3. 11:54 AM - Re: Hello? (Jack Sargeant)
4. 12:13 PM - Re: Hello? (David Maib)
5. 12:34 PM - Re: Hello? (James Hein)
6. 02:08 PM - Since there is no one here can we talk about alternative engines, primer, and painting? (jdalton77)
7. 02:38 PM - Re: alternative engines (James Hein)
8. 02:46 PM - Engines? (Albert Gardner)
9. 02:48 PM - Re: Hello? (John Jessen)
10. 02:53 PM - Re: Since there is no one here can we talk about alternative engines, primer, and painting? ()
11. 02:58 PM - Re: Since there is no one here can we talk about alternative engines, primer, and painting? (Evan and Megan Johnson)
12. 05:03 PM - Re: Engines? (Albert Gardner)
13. 05:19 PM - Re: Since there is no one here can we talk about alternative engines, primer, and painting? (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
14. 05:31 PM - Re: alternative engines (jdalton77)
15. 05:34 PM - Re: Since there is no one here can we talk about alternative engines, primer, and painting? (jdalton77)
16. 05:34 PM - Re: Engines? (jdalton77)
17. 05:35 PM - Please Unsubscribe me!!! (Alisia Campbell)
18. 05:58 PM - Re: Please Unsubscribe me!!! (Albert Gardner)
19. 07:12 PM - Re: Please Unsubscribe me!!! (Chris W)
20. 07:17 PM - Re: alternative engines (DAVE LEIKAM)
21. 07:50 PM - Static port question (Ben Westfall)
22. 07:59 PM - Re: Please Unsubscribe me!!! (Pascal)
23. 08:40 PM - Re: Engines? (Deems Davis)
24. 10:21 PM - Re: Anyone actually FLYING with an alternative engine? (David M.)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Hey RV10'ers,
There hasn't been a post since Friday and I'm wondering where all the traffic went...?
Lots of RV guys are probably at Van's Homecoming this weekend, but there
got to be a couple of us still hanging around the hanger...
Matt
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--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Yep,
Awfully quiet here... Too quiet... (cue the Jaws music)
-Jim 40384
do not archive
Matt Dralle wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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>
>Hey RV10'ers,
>
>There hasn't been a post since Friday and I'm wondering where all the traffic
went...? Lots of RV guys are probably at Van's Homecoming this weekend, but there
got to be a couple of us still hanging around the hanger...
>
>Matt
>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jack Sargeant" <k5wiv@amsat.org>
I've been wondering the same thing. Not much traffic on the -7 or -9 groups
either.
Jack & Cecilia Sargeant
1127 Patricia St.
Wichita, KS 67208-2642
316/683-5268
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 1:07 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Hello?
--> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Hey RV10'ers,
There hasn't been a post since Friday and I'm wondering where all the
traffic went...? Lots of RV guys are probably at Van's Homecoming this
weekend, but there got to be a couple of us still hanging around the
hanger...
Matt
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--> RV10-List message posted by: David Maib <dmaib@mac.com>
I am here lurking, but have not seen much.
David
On Sep 4, 2006, at 1:33 PM, James Hein wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Yep,
Awfully quiet here... Too quiet... (cue the Jaws music)
-Jim 40384
do not archive
Matt Dralle wrote:
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>
>
> Hey RV10'ers,
>
> There hasn't been a post since Friday and I'm wondering where all
> the traffic went...? Lots of RV guys are probably at Van's
> Homecoming this weekend, but there got to be a couple of us still
> hanging around the hanger...
>
> Matt
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Okay guys... The guards are away.. Time for the inmates to take over the
asylum!
-Jim 40384
do not archive
David Maib wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: David Maib <dmaib@mac.com>
>
> I am here lurking, but have not seen much.
>
> David
> On Sep 4, 2006, at 1:33 PM, James Hein wrote:
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
>
> Yep,
> Awfully quiet here... Too quiet... (cue the Jaws music)
>
> -Jim 40384
> do not archive
>
> Matt Dralle wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>>
>>
>> Hey RV10'ers,
>>
>> There hasn't been a post since Friday and I'm wondering where all
>> the traffic went...? Lots of RV guys are probably at Van's
>> Homecoming this weekend, but there got to be a couple of us still
>> hanging around the hanger...
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Since there is no one here can we talk about alternative engines, |
primer, and painting?
H aha ha.
Seriously, any way to not spend 40k on an engine?
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| Subject: | Re: alternative engines |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
I'll bite!
I'm in the same position, that is I can't see spending $40k for a
new engine, so I'm about 80% sure at this point I'm going to go with the
Eggenfellner Subaru engine (H6) on my -10.
I recently had an impressive ground demonstration (weather sucked
for flying) of an RV-9A with the Egg 4-cylinder engine on it. Very
impressive to say the least. Very quiet, lots of torque, and smooth...
very smooth...
As an engineer, I like the liquid cooling since tolerances can be
much closer in the engine (and hence, less oil burning), etc.
I won't need an engine for 2-3 years (due to financial reasons), so
I'm keeping my options open right now.
As for primer, I'm Alodining and Epoxy priming (PPG DP50LF)
everything I can. My plane won't be a hangar queen with what I get paid
around here! :) I am lucky in one respect though; Here in taxachusetts,
would you beleive there is NO tax on airplanes or airplane parts?
This is my opinion; What's yours?
-Jim 40384, Drilling bottom wing skins...
jdalton77 wrote:
> H aha ha.
>
> Seriously, any way to not spend 40k on an engine?
>
>*
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>
>*
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I have located an IO-540-M1B5D. It has several aspects that need to be
changed to make it suitable for an RV-10. It has up exhaust, rear air
intake, and the dual mag setup but my plan was to get a serviceable case
and
crank and then put new cylinder assemblies on it. I am assuming I can
then
get the correct sump to move the air intake forward and maybe even a
different accessory cover to allow separate mags. If the case and crank
are
good, this might be a pretty good deal since there is a Hartzell 3 blade
included. Has anyone had any success with changing sumps and/or
accessory
drive covers on a similar engine?
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
I'm about ready to escape from vacation heaven and start back building.
I've got over 400 emails in my RV-10 inbox, so there must have been some
activity for the month of August!
John Jessen
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Hein
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Hello?
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Okay guys... The guards are away.. Time for the inmates to take over the
asylum!
-Jim 40384
do not archive
David Maib wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: David Maib <dmaib@mac.com>
>
> I am here lurking, but have not seen much.
>
> David
> On Sep 4, 2006, at 1:33 PM, James Hein wrote:
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
>
> Yep,
> Awfully quiet here... Too quiet... (cue the Jaws music)
>
> -Jim 40384
> do not archive
>
> Matt Dralle wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>>
>>
>> Hey RV10'ers,
>>
>> There hasn't been a post since Friday and I'm wondering where all the
>> traffic went...? Lots of RV guys are probably at Van's Homecoming
>> this weekend, but there got to be a couple of us still hanging around
>> the hanger...
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Since there is no one here can we talk about alternative |
engines, primer, and painting?
I am going with the Eggenfellner H-6 turbocharged on my -10. I will be
receiving the engine in November, and am going to Florida for a demo
ride in Jan's H-6 equipped RV this coming weekend. The cost is $25K
firewall forward. Yes, I have heard all the negative press, but seems
to me, that there are lots of advantages that offset the minor loss in
horsepower, and that minor loss goes away at higher altitudes because of
the turbocharging. And, all those people who are criticizing the
engine, for the most part, have not flown it.
Steve Mills
40486
fuselage, Naperville Illinois
----- Original Message -----
From: jdalton77
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 4:06 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Since there is no one here can we talk about
alternative engines, primer, and painting?
H aha ha.
Seriously, any way to not spend 40k on an engine?
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| Subject: | Re: Since there is no one here can we talk about alternative |
engines, primer, and painting?
as far as I can tell the Eggenfellner Subaru seems to be the best
choice.....I really wish those clowns at Honda would go ahead with their
program, it looked really promising.
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: jdalton77
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 2:06 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Since there is no one here can we talk about
alternative engines, primer, and painting?
H aha ha.
Seriously, any way to not spend 40k on an engine?
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I am reposting this note because it didn't have any end-of-line
indicators
when I downloaded it and was very hard to read. So here goes-again:
I have located an IO-540-M1B5D. It has several aspects that need to be
changed to
make it suitable for an RV-10. It has up exhaust, rear air intake, and
the
dual mag
setup but my plan was to get a serviceable case and crank and then put
new
cylinder
assemblies on it. I am assuming I can then get the correct sump to move
the
air
intake forward and maybe even a different accessory cover to allow
separate
mags.
If the case and crank are good, this might be a pretty good deal since
there
is a
Hartzell 3 blade included. Has anyone had any success with changing
sumps
and/or
accessory drive covers on a similar engine?
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Since there is no one here can we talk about alternative |
engines, primer, and painting?
You could spend $25K on an Eggenfellner...
Dan
RV10E 40269
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdalton77
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 5:06 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Since there is no one here can we talk about
alternative engines, primer, and painting?
H aha ha.
Seriously, any way to not spend 40k on an engine?
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| Subject: | Re: alternative engines |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "jdalton77" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
Nice to hear "Taxachusettes" isn't. It's hard to tell with all the campaign
commercial - but you're comments tell another story - at least regarding
airplanes. We're not so lucky here in MI with 6%.
I'm leaning toward Egg myself. We'll have to see what happens when a few of
his engines fly in RV-10's by the end of the year. I hear there are a few
being delivered in October.
I'm priming interior and exterior using rattle-can self-etching primer for
the small parts before assembly and POR-15 Self-Etching primer for the
exterior and assembled parts inside. So far it's worked out really well -
though a bit pricey at $145/gallon.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Hein" <n8vim@arrl.net>
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: alternative engines
> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
>
> I'll bite!
> I'm in the same position, that is I can't see spending $40k for a new
> engine, so I'm about 80% sure at this point I'm going to go with the
> Eggenfellner Subaru engine (H6) on my -10.
>
> I recently had an impressive ground demonstration (weather sucked for
> flying) of an RV-9A with the Egg 4-cylinder engine on it. Very impressive
> to say the least. Very quiet, lots of torque, and smooth... very smooth...
>
> As an engineer, I like the liquid cooling since tolerances can be much
> closer in the engine (and hence, less oil burning), etc.
>
> I won't need an engine for 2-3 years (due to financial reasons), so I'm
> keeping my options open right now.
>
> As for primer, I'm Alodining and Epoxy priming (PPG DP50LF) everything
> I can. My plane won't be a hangar queen with what I get paid around here!
> :) I am lucky in one respect though; Here in taxachusetts, would you
> beleive there is NO tax on airplanes or airplane parts?
>
> This is my opinion; What's yours?
>
> -Jim 40384, Drilling bottom wing skins...
>
> jdalton77 wrote:
>
>> H aha ha.
>> Seriously, any way to not spend 40k on an engine?
>>
>>*
>>
>>
>>*
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Since there is no one here can we talk about alternative |
engines, primer, and painting?
I agree with your assessment. I'm looking forward to hearing how it
flies and how your demo flight goes. It will be interesting to hear how
220HP flies in the -10.
----- Original Message -----
From: millstees@ameritech.net
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Since there is no one here can we talk about
alternative engines, primer, and painting?
I am going with the Eggenfellner H-6 turbocharged on my -10. I will
be receiving the engine in November, and am going to Florida for a demo
ride in Jan's H-6 equipped RV this coming weekend. The cost is $25K
firewall forward. Yes, I have heard all the negative press, but seems
to me, that there are lots of advantages that offset the minor loss in
horsepower, and that minor loss goes away at higher altitudes because of
the turbocharging. And, all those people who are criticizing the
engine, for the most part, have not flown it.
Steve Mills
40486
fuselage, Naperville Illinois
----- Original Message -----
From: jdalton77
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 4:06 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Since there is no one here can we talk about
alternative engines, primer, and painting?
H aha ha.
Seriously, any way to not spend 40k on an engine?
s.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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I've heard that Barrett Precision Engines has done this. They have a
web site.
----- Original Message -----
From: Albert Gardner
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 8:01 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engines?
I am reposting this note because it didn't have any end-of-line
indicators when I downloaded it and was very hard to read. So here
goes-again:I have located an IO-540-M1B5D. It has several aspects that
need to be changed to make it suitable for an RV-10. It has up exhaust,
rear air intake, and the dual magsetup but my plan was to get a
serviceable case and crank and then put new cylinder assemblies on it. I
am assuming I can then get the correct sump to move the airintake
forward and maybe even a different accessory cover to allow separate
mags. If the case and crank are good, this might be a pretty good deal
since there is a Hartzell 3 blade included. Has anyone had any success
with changing sumps and/or accessory drive covers on a similar
engine?Albert GardnerYuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: alternative engines |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "DAVE LEIKAM" <DAVELEIKAM@WI.RR.COM>
I have not primed a thing yet. Currently working on elevators. I plan to
take assembled empennage parts to a local coating shop and have them
alodined. The exterior will be primed before paint of course.
I'm waiting until I am ready to order an engine before trying to decide on
one. There are so many choices, I am just watching, listening and learning
now.
Dave Leikam
Muskego, WI
N89DA
#40496
elevators
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Hein" <n8vim@arrl.net>
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: alternative engines
> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
>
> I'll bite!
> I'm in the same position, that is I can't see spending $40k for a new
> engine, so I'm about 80% sure at this point I'm going to go with the
> Eggenfellner Subaru engine (H6) on my -10.
>
> I recently had an impressive ground demonstration (weather sucked for
> flying) of an RV-9A with the Egg 4-cylinder engine on it. Very impressive
> to say the least. Very quiet, lots of torque, and smooth... very smooth...
>
> As an engineer, I like the liquid cooling since tolerances can be much
> closer in the engine (and hence, less oil burning), etc.
>
> I won't need an engine for 2-3 years (due to financial reasons), so I'm
> keeping my options open right now.
>
> As for primer, I'm Alodining and Epoxy priming (PPG DP50LF) everything
> I can. My plane won't be a hangar queen with what I get paid around here!
> :) I am lucky in one respect though; Here in taxachusetts, would you
> beleive there is NO tax on airplanes or airplane parts?
>
> This is my opinion; What's yours?
>
> -Jim 40384, Drilling bottom wing skins...
>
> jdalton77 wrote:
>
>> H aha ha.
>> Seriously, any way to not spend 40k on an engine?
>>
>>*
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>>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Static port question |
Does anyone have any pictures of how they ran their static port tubing? Did
you drill out holes for bushings in the ribs and what size did you use? I
went with the Van's pop-rivet kit because I never got around to researching
anything else and the time has come to install.
Any pointers would be appreciated.
-Ben Westfall
#40579 Tailcone. still
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Sometimes the obvious is not so obvious- certainly we have all been there in
our building at one point or another. Let's help people not criticize
please!
In less words than you're e-mail
Alisia;
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
BPE has a cold air induction system for the IO-540 which replaces the
old sump and intake manifolds.
Deems
jdalton77 wrote:
> I've heard that Barrett Precision Engines has done this. They have a
> web site.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Albert Gardner <mailto:ibspud@adelphia.net>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 04, 2006 8:01 PM
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Engines?
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>*I am reposting this note because it didnt have any end-of-line indicators when
I downloaded it and was very hard to read. So here goes-again:*
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>*I have located an IO-540-M1B5D. It has several aspects that need to be changed
to *
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>*make it suitable for an RV-10. It has up exhaust, rear air intake, and the dual
mag*
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>*setup but my plan was to get a serviceable case and crank and then put new cylinder
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>*assemblies on it. I am assuming I can then get the correct sump to move the air*
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>*intake forward and maybe even a different accessory cover to allow separate mags.
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>*If the case and crank are good, this might be a pretty good deal since there
is a *
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>*Hartzell 3 blade included. Has anyone had any success with changing sumps and/or
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>*accessory drive covers on a similar engine?*
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>*Albert Gardner*
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>*Yuma, AZ *
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone actually FLYING with an alternative engine? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "David M." <ainut@hiwaay.net>
There are several Mustang II's that are flying with engines originally
destined for automobiles.
David M.
jdalton77 wrote:
> Anything other than a "traditional" aircraft engine. Egg and
> Crossflow both "claim" that multiple -10 builders have bought their
> engines.
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> Is anyone flying - or about to fly - with one of these (or another)?
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> Inquiring minds want to know . . .
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> Jeff
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