---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/09/06: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:14 AM - Re: 113" fuse longeron angle - mark it "don't cut" (RAS) 2. 04:22 AM - Seat adjustment lever (Jim & Julie Wade) 3. 04:31 AM - Re: Paint $$Build times - time to get restarted? (Wayne Edgerton) 4. 04:42 AM - Re: Flywheel to cowling front distance (Wayne Edgerton) 5. 05:33 AM - Re: Paint $$Build times - time to get restarted? (Carl Froehlich) 6. 06:52 AM - Re: Paint $$Build times - time to get restarted? (John W. Cox) 7. 06:56 AM - Re: Flywheel to cowling front distance (John W. Cox) 8. 07:42 AM - Heat selector valve (Chris Hukill) 9. 12:52 PM - Re: Seat adjustment lever (Marcus Cooper) 10. 02:00 PM - Re: Paint $$Build times - time to get restarted? (Russell Daves) 11. 02:55 PM - Re: 113" fuse longeron angle - mark it "don't cut" (Ben Westfall) 12. 03:18 PM - Re: 113" fuse longeron angle - mark it "don't cut" (Rob Hunter) 13. 03:19 PM - Re: 113" fuse longeron angle - mark it "don't cut" (Rob Hunter) 14. 05:46 PM - Re: Re: Paint $$Build times - time to get restarted? () 15. 07:25 PM - Re: 113" fuse longeron angle - mark it "don't cut" (Ben Westfall) 16. 09:13 PM - Hartzell Composite Prop (Eric Panning) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:14:45 AM PST US From: "RAS" Subject: Re: RV10-List: 113" fuse longeron angle - mark it "don't cut" --> RV10-List message posted by: "RAS" I wonder why Van's put that particular warning in the paperwork................ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Brinkmeyer" Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 10:25 PM Subject: RV10-List: 113" fuse longeron angle - mark it "don't cut" > --> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer > > Several of the fuse longeron diagrams have two dimensions shown along the > same > face within a single figure. That is, one diagram is used to show two > different > pieces each with different dimensions. I doubt if my engineering graphics > professor would have given this scheme a passing mark. > > Measure twice, think longer and cut once? Nah. > > I cut the smaller pieces first without looking around the shop long > enough. If > you do like me you might wind up needing a 113" longeron that is now in > two > pieces (dooh!). Shipping a $15 part with dimensions over 8' from Oregon is > several hundred dollars as it has to go by freight. > > Luckily I found a local source that supplies the equivalent part. If > there's > anyone in the Colorado area in the same boat let me know as I now have > extra > AA6-125 3/4 x 3/4. > > Jay > > Do Not Archive > > __________________________________________________ > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:03 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Seat adjustment lever From: "Jim & Julie Wade" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim & Julie Wade" This seat adjustment lever is great. Just bought if from Greg, I was to busy trying to finish to build one myself. His is well made and a good design. So much better that having to reach beside the seat and pull the lever. Here is his website, check it out for yourself. http://www.nwacaptain.com/ Blue Skies Jim 40383 DAR next saturday (I hope)!!!!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60549#60549 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:58 AM PST US From: "Wayne Edgerton" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paint $$Build times - time to get restarted? I deliver the plane to him with no primer and walk away. He does all the disassembling and reassembling. I check around a little bit and I think he has a fair price for the quality of work that he does. I know of one 10 builder who paid $14,000 for his paint job, ouch. I think he's charging around $6,000 for the RV6's and 8's. I just want someone to paint my plane that I know does excellent work and that's Grady. Wayne Edgerton #40336 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:34 AM PST US From: "Wayne Edgerton" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flywheel to cowling front distance Hello Ted, I will have the Aero Composite three blade but I'm guessing that would be about the same as the MT for mounting purposes? We used a 1/8" spacer. I also don't have my propeller yet but Aero Composite sent me a mount plate to use so I can fit the cowling. Maybe MT can furnish you one also? I was just working on it yesterday and the top cowling went on fairly quickly, I had help. I've attached a few photo's for you to see what we've done thus far. I'm installing cam locks and will have them spaced at around 3". Wayne Edgerton #40336 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:07 AM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paint $$Build times - time to get restarted? I painted my RV-8A - paint alone cost $2500 (I did some hard colors). $6000 for someone to do everything sounds like a really good deal. Carl Froehlich RV-8A (270 hrs) RV-10 (tail cone) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 7:31 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paint $$Build times - time to get restarted? I deliver the plane to him with no primer and walk away. He does all the disassembling and reassembling. I check around a little bit and I think he has a fair price for the quality of work that he does. I know of one 10 builder who paid $14,000 for his paint job, ouch. I think he's charging around $6,000 for the RV6's and 8's. I just want someone to paint my plane that I know does excellent work and that's Grady. Wayne Edgerton #40336 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:33 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paint $$Build times - time to get restarted? From: "John W. Cox" RV builders tend to bring a different conservative bent to pricing of final topcoats. Tom Conner in Bend charges the Lancair guys upwards of $26,000 all the way above $34,000 to meet the definition of excellent work. He is more than 24 months backlogged. True, all composite skins require lots of correction and fill. Thank goodness for 2024 and flush rivets. The EPA rules and charges have pushed the chemicals into a pricing schedule which exceeds VNE. If anyone has missed Scott Schmidt's latest web post "Going to the Hangar", you will see the new benchmark on RV-10 Topcoats. My guess is that Ray and Scott chose to delay the unveiling until they can sweep Grand Champion next year at OSH. Our local guy is retiring cause he has gotten tired of the tremendous amount of prep required to take it from "drop off" to "excellent". He won't use immigrant labor to complete the mundane tasks. On a separate note, Tim Olson posted the most cost effective way to get to a great paintjob at the lowest cost by doing the right steps. We have lots of choices. And then there is Checkoway who will never finish from the primer/bare Alclad stage. Paint Envy anyone? John Cox Do not Archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 4:31 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paint $$Build times - time to get restarted? I deliver the plane to him with no primer and walk away. He does all the disassembling and reassembling. I check around a little bit and I think he has a fair price for the quality of work that he does. I know of one 10 builder who paid $14,000 for his paint job, ouch. I think he's charging around $6,000 for the RV6's and 8's. I just want someone to paint my plane that I know does excellent work and that's Grady. Wayne Edgerton #40336 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:18 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flywheel to cowling front distance From: "John W. Cox" Has anyone else heard the progress by Hartzell on their Composite Scimitar 3 blade? It was announced at OSH and I read a big article on it in print over in Germany last week. I am guessing they wanted to tweak Gert's nose on the development. I would bet Jim Ayers will have his hands full on refunds if it outperforms the MT. Light, Made in America, high performance and sexy too. Looking for more data and delivery schedule. John Cox Do not Archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 4:41 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flywheel to cowling front distance Hello Ted, I will have the Aero Composite three blade but I'm guessing that would be about the same as the MT for mounting purposes? We used a 1/8" spacer. I also don't have my propeller yet but Aero Composite sent me a mount plate to use so I can fit the cowling. Maybe MT can furnish you one also? I was just working on it yesterday and the top cowling went on fairly quickly, I had help. I've attached a few photo's for you to see what we've done thus far. I'm installing cam locks and will have them spaced at around 3". Wayne Edgerton #40336 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:03 AM PST US From: "Chris Hukill" Subject: RV10-List: Heat selector valve I concur completely that Don at Aviacomp is the man to see about anything for your heating system. At my request, he redesigned the T that goes in the forward tunnel to direct the heat to the forward footwell areas, to include a selector valve. It is a drop in replacement for the original, and with the use of a cable, I can now mix the forward heat to either side, a must have requirement for my cold blooded other half, flying partner. It was a true pleasure working with Don on this very simple, yet useful mod, that Vans should offer in their accessory catalog. If you need to see a picture, email me cjhukill@cox.net Chris Hukill fitting the plastic wheelpants, really out of sequence (cannot believe people actually build whole airplanes out of that stuff!) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:22 PM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Seat adjustment lever --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" Jim, thanks for posting this, it looks great! I've been trying to dream up such a thing as there just isn't enough room to comfortably work the current T-handle. Putting the handle toward the center of the airplane would help, but there physically isn't enough room in my machine on the right side for some reason. Marcus 40286 Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim & Julie Wade Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 7:21 AM Subject: RV10-List: Seat adjustment lever --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim & Julie Wade" This seat adjustment lever is great. Just bought if from Greg, I was to busy trying to finish to build one myself. His is well made and a good design. So much better that having to reach beside the seat and pull the lever. Here is his website, check it out for yourself. http://www.nwacaptain.com/ Blue Skies Jim 40383 DAR next saturday (I hope)!!!!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60549#60549 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:44 PM PST US From: "Russell Daves" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paint $$Build times - time to get restarted? That is the reason why Grady O'Neal at GLO Custom Paint is booked up through July of 2007. I know because an RV-8 I am helping finished up just booked his paint date and the earliest he could get with Grady was July 2007!!!! If you want the best at a reasonable price you really have to plan ahead. I booked my paint date (currently in Grady's paint booth) January of 2006. Grady requires a 10% deposit to hold a paint date. Pictures should be posted by next week. Russ Daves N710RV (RV-10 Flying) ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Froehlich To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 7:32 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paint $$Build times - time to get restarted? I painted my RV-8A - paint alone cost $2500 (I did some hard colors). $6000 for someone to do everything sounds like a really good deal. Carl Froehlich RV-8A (270 hrs) RV-10 (tail cone) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 7:31 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paint $$Build times - time to get restarted? I deliver the plane to him with no primer and walk away. He does all the disassembling and reassembling. I check around a little bit and I think he has a fair price for the quality of work that he does. I know of one 10 builder who paid $14,000 for his paint job, ouch. I think he's charging around $6,000 for the RV6's and 8's. I just want someone to paint my plane that I know does excellent work and that's Grady. Wayne Edgerton #40336 s.com/Navigator?RV10-List ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:32 PM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: 113" fuse longeron angle - mark it "don't cut" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Ben Westfall" I did something similar as well with the tailcone J-Channel but x 6. I trimmed all 12 to length properly with no problems but didn't look that carefully at the plans to "Trim the ends at a 45 deg angle as shown in figure 2". After I finished cutting the angle on the last of 12 I looked at the one in my hand and said... "Huh? That doesn't look right!" Sure enough I cut the 45 not from the vertical edge but the horizontal so all of them came to a point at the corner. When I squared off the now messed up edges the 6 long ones were now too short. The messed up 93"ers became the 6 shorter ones. All the others became wall art. I robbed the wing kit, which I just picked up the day before, of the 6 8' J-Channel in it. Key word is "PICKED UP". Van's is a 20 minute drive from my place. Still soaked me for $13.75 x 6 = $82.50 but no down time or expensive freight snafu's. So the lesson learned is of course read the plans more carefully before cutting anything (or move closer to Van's). -Ben #40579 Tailcone (Darn there are a lot of rivets! Should be done this weekend) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Douglas Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 8:59 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: 113" fuse longeron angle - mark it "don't cut" --> RV10-List message posted by: Brian Douglas Yeah, I'm in a similar boat with a tailcone J-Channel. Like a doofus (sp?) I cut one of the 93"ers too short and had to order a new one from Vans. Naturally it shows up the Friday before a long labor day weekend bent at about 35 degrees. I called vans the following week and they sent another one which arrived today so badly bent the driver didn't even bother to wait until I opened it. Looking at the tube he just said, "Oh man, I'd better send this back." Turns out that even PVC pipe is not enough to protect parts from the shipping people, who apparently spend a good deal of time smashing things with hammers. Now I'm headed off to Reno (Dago Red is running this year!) and am wondering what the chances are that I'll find a decent 8' length of J-channel waiting on my porch when I get back. Anyway, let that be a lesson to the guys/girls just starting. Cut the long pieces first!! -Brian #40497 N211BD Iowa City, IA ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:21 PM PST US From: "Rob Hunter" Subject: RE: RV10-List: 113" fuse longeron angle - mark it "don't cut" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Hunter" What page of the plans is the cutting of these pieces on so I can b -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 4:53 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: 113" fuse longeron angle - mark it "don't cut" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Ben Westfall" I did something similar as well with the tailcone J-Channel but x 6. I trimmed all 12 to length properly with no problems but didn't look that carefully at the plans to "Trim the ends at a 45 deg angle as shown in figure 2". After I finished cutting the angle on the last of 12 I looked at the one in my hand and said... "Huh? That doesn't look right!" Sure enough I cut the 45 not from the vertical edge but the horizontal so all of them came to a point at the corner. When I squared off the now messed up edges the 6 long ones were now too short. The messed up 93"ers became the 6 shorter ones. All the others became wall art. I robbed the wing kit, which I just picked up the day before, of the 6 8' J-Channel in it. Key word is "PICKED UP". Van's is a 20 minute drive from my place. Still soaked me for $13.75 x 6 = $82.50 but no down time or expensive freight snafu's. So the lesson learned is of course read the plans more carefully before cutting anything (or move closer to Van's). -Ben #40579 Tailcone (Darn there are a lot of rivets! Should be done this weekend) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Douglas Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 8:59 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: 113" fuse longeron angle - mark it "don't cut" --> RV10-List message posted by: Brian Douglas Yeah, I'm in a similar boat with a tailcone J-Channel. Like a doofus (sp?) I cut one of the 93"ers too short and had to order a new one from Vans. Naturally it shows up the Friday before a long labor day weekend bent at about 35 degrees. I called vans the following week and they sent another one which arrived today so badly bent the driver didn't even bother to wait until I opened it. Looking at the tube he just said, "Oh man, I'd better send this back." Turns out that even PVC pipe is not enough to protect parts from the shipping people, who apparently spend a good deal of time smashing things with hammers. Now I'm headed off to Reno (Dago Red is running this year!) and am wondering what the chances are that I'll find a decent 8' length of J-channel waiting on my porch when I get back. Anyway, let that be a lesson to the guys/girls just starting. Cut the long pieces first!! -Brian #40497 N211BD Iowa City, IA ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:50 PM PST US From: "Rob Hunter" Subject: RE: RV10-List: 113" fuse longeron angle - mark it "don't cut" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Hunter" What page of the plans are the cutting of the J-Channels on so I don't make the same mistake. Rob Hunter Elevator 40432 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 4:53 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: 113" fuse longeron angle - mark it "don't cut" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Ben Westfall" I did something similar as well with the tailcone J-Channel but x 6. I trimmed all 12 to length properly with no problems but didn't look that carefully at the plans to "Trim the ends at a 45 deg angle as shown in figure 2". After I finished cutting the angle on the last of 12 I looked at the one in my hand and said... "Huh? That doesn't look right!" Sure enough I cut the 45 not from the vertical edge but the horizontal so all of them came to a point at the corner. When I squared off the now messed up edges the 6 long ones were now too short. The messed up 93"ers became the 6 shorter ones. All the others became wall art. I robbed the wing kit, which I just picked up the day before, of the 6 8' J-Channel in it. Key word is "PICKED UP". Van's is a 20 minute drive from my place. Still soaked me for $13.75 x 6 = $82.50 but no down time or expensive freight snafu's. So the lesson learned is of course read the plans more carefully before cutting anything (or move closer to Van's). -Ben #40579 Tailcone (Darn there are a lot of rivets! Should be done this weekend) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Douglas Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 8:59 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: 113" fuse longeron angle - mark it "don't cut" --> RV10-List message posted by: Brian Douglas Yeah, I'm in a similar boat with a tailcone J-Channel. Like a doofus (sp?) I cut one of the 93"ers too short and had to order a new one from Vans. Naturally it shows up the Friday before a long labor day weekend bent at about 35 degrees. I called vans the following week and they sent another one which arrived today so badly bent the driver didn't even bother to wait until I opened it. Looking at the tube he just said, "Oh man, I'd better send this back." Turns out that even PVC pipe is not enough to protect parts from the shipping people, who apparently spend a good deal of time smashing things with hammers. Now I'm headed off to Reno (Dago Red is running this year!) and am wondering what the chances are that I'll find a decent 8' length of J-channel waiting on my porch when I get back. Anyway, let that be a lesson to the guys/girls just starting. Cut the long pieces first!! -Brian #40497 N211BD Iowa City, IA ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:56 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Re: RV10-List: Paint $$Build times - time to get restarted? --> RV10-List message posted by: Where is Grady located? Jim > > From: "Russell Daves" > Date: 2006/09/09 Sat PM 05:00:03 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paint $$Build times - time to get restarted? > > That is the reason why Grady O'Neal at GLO Custom Paint is booked up through July of 2007. I know because an RV-8 I am helping finished up just booked his paint date and the earliest he could get with Grady was July 2007!!!! > > If you want the best at a reasonable price you really have to plan ahead. I booked my paint date (currently in Grady's paint booth) January of 2006. Grady requires a 10% deposit to hold a paint date. > > Pictures should be posted by next week. > > Russ Daves > N710RV (RV-10 Flying) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carl Froehlich > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 7:32 AM > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paint $$Build times - time to get restarted? > > > I painted my RV-8A - paint alone cost $2500 (I did some hard colors). $6000 for someone to do everything sounds like a really good deal. > > Carl Froehlich > RV-8A (270 hrs) > RV-10 (tail cone) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton > Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 7:31 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paint $$Build times - time to get restarted? > > > I deliver the plane to him with no primer and walk away. He does all the disassembling and reassembling. I check around a little bit and I think he has a fair price for the quality of work that he does. I know of one 10 builder who paid $14,000 for his paint job, ouch. I think he's charging around $6,000 for the RV6's and 8's. > > I just want someone to paint my plane that I know does excellent work and that's Grady. > > Wayne Edgerton #40336 > > > s.com/Navigator?RV10-List > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:08 PM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: 113" fuse longeron angle - mark it "don't cut" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Ben Westfall" Section 10 Page 5 http://www.myrv10.com/Plans/RV10_Plans_sec10-pg05.html -Ben -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Hunter Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 3:20 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: 113" fuse longeron angle - mark it "don't cut" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Hunter" What page of the plans are the cutting of the J-Channels on so I don't make the same mistake. Rob Hunter Elevator 40432 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 4:53 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: 113" fuse longeron angle - mark it "don't cut" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Ben Westfall" I did something similar as well with the tailcone J-Channel but x 6. I trimmed all 12 to length properly with no problems but didn't look that carefully at the plans to "Trim the ends at a 45 deg angle as shown in figure 2". After I finished cutting the angle on the last of 12 I looked at the one in my hand and said... "Huh? That doesn't look right!" Sure enough I cut the 45 not from the vertical edge but the horizontal so all of them came to a point at the corner. When I squared off the now messed up edges the 6 long ones were now too short. The messed up 93"ers became the 6 shorter ones. All the others became wall art. I robbed the wing kit, which I just picked up the day before, of the 6 8' J-Channel in it. Key word is "PICKED UP". Van's is a 20 minute drive from my place. Still soaked me for $13.75 x 6 = $82.50 but no down time or expensive freight snafu's. So the lesson learned is of course read the plans more carefully before cutting anything (or move closer to Van's). -Ben #40579 Tailcone (Darn there are a lot of rivets! Should be done this weekend) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Douglas Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 8:59 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: 113" fuse longeron angle - mark it "don't cut" --> RV10-List message posted by: Brian Douglas Yeah, I'm in a similar boat with a tailcone J-Channel. Like a doofus (sp?) I cut one of the 93"ers too short and had to order a new one from Vans. Naturally it shows up the Friday before a long labor day weekend bent at about 35 degrees. I called vans the following week and they sent another one which arrived today so badly bent the driver didn't even bother to wait until I opened it. Looking at the tube he just said, "Oh man, I'd better send this back." Turns out that even PVC pipe is not enough to protect parts from the shipping people, who apparently spend a good deal of time smashing things with hammers. Now I'm headed off to Reno (Dago Red is running this year!) and am wondering what the chances are that I'll find a decent 8' length of J-channel waiting on my porch when I get back. Anyway, let that be a lesson to the guys/girls just starting. Cut the long pieces first!! -Brian #40497 N211BD Iowa City, IA ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:24 PM PST US From: Eric Panning Subject: RV10-List: Hartzell Composite Prop --> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning John, Details below, more on the Hartzell press page: http://www.hartzellprop.com/pressroom/index_press.htm Looks great! -Eric PIQUA, Ohio - July 24, 2006 - Hartzell Propeller Inc. announced today that it has received FAA certification for its new ASC-II second generation Advanced Structural Composite propeller system. Hartzell's ASC-II is the first FAA certified advanced structural composite propeller developed specifically for the general aviation market. Hartzell's ASC-II is the result of the company's nearly 30 year experience in the design and manufacture of advanced structural composite propellers. The Hartzell ASC-II is an optimized design mated to a proprietary, Hartzell-developed manufacturing process. The result is an advanced structural composite propeller that delivers all of the advantages provided by Hartzell's first generation of composite propellers - low weight, low inertia, and low life cycle costs - while minimizing the major disadvantage: the high cost manufacturing process. --- "John W. Cox" wrote: > Has anyone else heard the progress by Hartzell on > their Composite > Scimitar 3 blade? It was announced at OSH and I > read a big article on > it in print over in Germany last week. I am > guessing they wanted to > tweak Gert's nose on the development. I would bet > Jim Ayers will have > his hands full on refunds if it outperforms the MT. > Light, Made in > America, high performance and sexy too. > > > > Looking for more data and delivery schedule. > > > > John Cox > > Do not Archive > > > > ________________________________ > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Wayne > Edgerton > Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 4:41 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flywheel to cowling front > distance > > > > Hello Ted, > > > > I will have the Aero Composite three blade but I'm > guessing that would > be about the same as the MT for mounting purposes? > We used a 1/8" > spacer. I also don't have my propeller yet but Aero > Composite sent me a > mount plate to use so I can fit the cowling. Maybe > MT can furnish you > one also? > > > > I was just working on it yesterday and the top > cowling went on fairly > quickly, I had help. > > > > I've attached a few photo's for you to see what > we've done thus far. I'm > installing cam locks and will have them spaced at > around 3". > > > > Wayne Edgerton #40336 > >