---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/13/06: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:09 AM - C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer (Link McGarity) 2. 05:10 AM - Re: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer (DAVE LEIKAM) 3. 05:16 AM - Re: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer (David Hertner) 4. 06:45 AM - Re: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer (John Jessen) 5. 07:05 AM - Re: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer (Rick) 6. 07:17 AM - Re: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer (Tim Olson) 7. 07:29 AM - Re: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer (Tim Olson) 8. 07:32 AM - Re: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer (Vern W. Smith) 9. 07:38 AM - Re: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 10. 07:39 AM - Re: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer (Rick) 11. 07:41 AM - Re: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer (John Jessen) 12. 07:46 AM - Re: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer (Mike Lauritsen - Work) 13. 07:46 AM - Re: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer (John Jessen) 14. 07:59 AM - Re: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer (LessDragProd@aol.com) 15. 08:02 AM - Re: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer (Lloyd, Daniel R.) 16. 08:09 AM - Re: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer (Tim Olson) 17. 11:41 AM - Insurance Rates - A fun little rant of mine (Tim Olson) 18. 11:49 AM - Re: Insurance Rates - A fun little rant of mine (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 19. 11:49 AM - Re: Insurance Rates - A fun little rant of mine (Phillips, Jack) 20. 12:17 PM - Re: Insurance Rates - A fun little rant of mine (Jeff Carpenter) 21. 01:17 PM - Insurance rates (Fred Williams, M.D.) 22. 06:08 PM - Re: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer (Steven DiNieri) 23. 07:16 PM - RV10 tail kit for sale - Southeastern NY (Larry R) 24. 07:20 PM - Re: Insurance Rates - A fun little rant of mine (GenGrumpy@aol.com) 25. 11:47 PM - Re: Flying -10s in Northwest (McGANN, Ron) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:41 AM PST US From: Link McGarity Subject: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer --> RV10-List message posted by: Link McGarity Anybody using one of these? Best size, type of yokes? Tool vendor source? Thanks, Link McGarity RV6/N42GF RV10/N41GF(rsvd)/#40622 Wellington, FL (FD38) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:10:13 AM PST US From: "DAVE LEIKAM" Subject: Re: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer --> RV10-List message posted by: "DAVE LEIKAM" A pneumatic squeezer is a must to have even at the high price. I have three different yokes, and I use all of them. I got mine from "Plane Tools." I wouldn't be without it. They dimple very well also. Dave Leikam Muskego, WI #40496 N89DA Elevators ----- Original Message ----- From: "Link McGarity" Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:08 AM Subject: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer > --> RV10-List message posted by: Link McGarity > > Anybody using one of these? Best size, type of yokes? Tool vendor source? > > Thanks, > > Link McGarity > RV6/N42GF > RV10/N41GF(rsvd)/#40622 > Wellington, FL (FD38) > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:16 AM PST US From: "David Hertner" Subject: Re: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer --> RV10-List message posted by: "David Hertner" Link, I highly recommend that you purchase one of these tools. I purchased mine from Avery and it has performed beautifully. I purchased a 3" yoke, a 4" yoke that has a narrow tip for tight spots and the longeron yoke. The 3" yoke stays on the tool most of the time and the longeron yoke comes in second when it comes to usage. The narrow tip 4" yoke isn't used as much as the other two but is definitely worth purchasing. I use it for everything. I even designed an adapter plate that converts it into a large C-frame dimpler. Personally, I couldn't imagine building a metal airplane without this tool. Dave Hertner RV-10 C-GVMH #40164 London, Ontario Canada CYXU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Link McGarity" Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:08 AM Subject: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer > --> RV10-List message posted by: Link McGarity > > Anybody using one of these? Best size, type of yokes? Tool vendor source? > > Thanks, > > Link McGarity > RV6/N42GF > RV10/N41GF(rsvd)/#40622 > Wellington, FL (FD38) > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:10 AM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" I would be interested in taking a look, should you have pictures or a schematic, at your adapter plate for the C-frame. John J 40328 do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Hertner Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:15 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer --> RV10-List message posted by: "David Hertner" Link, I highly recommend that you purchase one of these tools. I purchased mine from Avery and it has performed beautifully. I purchased a 3" yoke, a 4" yoke that has a narrow tip for tight spots and the longeron yoke. The 3" yoke stays on the tool most of the time and the longeron yoke comes in second when it comes to usage. The narrow tip 4" yoke isn't used as much as the other two but is definitely worth purchasing. I use it for everything. I even designed an adapter plate that converts it into a large C-frame dimpler. Personally, I couldn't imagine building a metal airplane without this tool. Dave Hertner RV-10 C-GVMH #40164 London, Ontario Canada CYXU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Link McGarity" Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:08 AM Subject: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer > --> RV10-List message posted by: Link McGarity > > Anybody using one of these? Best size, type of yokes? Tool vendor source? > > Thanks, > > Link McGarity > RV6/N42GF > RV10/N41GF(rsvd)/#40622 > Wellington, FL (FD38) > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:16 AM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick You betcha!! It's worth every penny. I have a 4" no-hole, a 3" regular C and a 2.5" Longeron. If I did it again I would have gone with a 3" no-hole instead of the 4. The reason being is you can use the adjustable rivet set with the three but not the 4. Oh yeah, get the adjustable ram/rivet set too. Worth it's weight in shims. Can't say enough about the value of this tool. I used it to complete all my aluminum work on the RV-10. I don't have a hand squeezer in my collection of tools. Buyer beware off E-bay only because of the few stories I have heard about getting bad ones, but they did manage to get the bad ones rebuilt for some savings over a new one if your into taking that risk. I picked mine up at http://www.rivettools.com along with their 20 piece "RV" rivet sets. These are the BEST made sets I ever used and it has all the screw dimple dies you will need as well. My dimple dies are still intact (heard of nubs breaking off some) and I found they make cleaner dimples than many of the cheaper versions if you can call $28-30 cheap! The set is $150. No affiliation with them just great service and the tool is still going strong. Rick S. 40185 -----Original Message----- >From: Link McGarity >Sent: Sep 13, 2006 3:08 AM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer > >--> RV10-List message posted by: Link McGarity > >Anybody using one of these? Best size, type of yokes? Tool vendor source? > >Thanks, > >Link McGarity >RV6/N42GF >RV10/N41GF(rsvd)/#40622 >Wellington, FL (FD38) > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:46 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson John, you should go see Ed out by you. He's got a good setup for his hand squeezer. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive John Jessen wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" > > I would be interested in taking a look, should you have pictures or a > schematic, at your adapter plate for the C-frame. > > John J > 40328 > > do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Hertner > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:15 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "David Hertner" > > Link, > > I highly recommend that you purchase one of these tools. I purchased > mine from Avery and it has performed beautifully. I purchased a 3" yoke, a > 4" yoke that has a narrow tip for tight spots and the longeron yoke. The 3" > yoke stays on the tool most of the time and the longeron yoke comes in > second when it comes to usage. The narrow tip 4" yoke isn't used as much as > the other two but is definitely worth purchasing. I use it for everything. I > even designed an adapter plate that converts it into a large C-frame > dimpler. > > Personally, I couldn't imagine building a metal airplane without this > tool. > > Dave Hertner > RV-10 C-GVMH #40164 > London, Ontario > Canada CYXU > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Link McGarity" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:08 AM > Subject: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer > > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Link McGarity >> >> Anybody using one of these? Best size, type of yokes? Tool vendor source? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Link McGarity >> RV6/N42GF >> RV10/N41GF(rsvd)/#40622 >> Wellington, FL (FD38) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:01 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Rick wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick > > You betcha!! > > It's worth every penny. I have a 4" no-hole, a 3" regular C and a > 2.5" Longeron. If I did it again I would have gone with a 3" no-hole > instead of the 4. The reason being is you can use the adjustable > rivet set with the three but not the 4. Oh yeah, get the adjustable > ram/rivet set too. Worth it's weight in shims. Can't say enough about > the value of this tool. Hey Rick, I used my adjustable set exclusively throughout the build, and never even tried the primitive washer way. It's funny that you say that about the 4" no hole, because I used it a ton. Is it me, or is one of us smokin' somethin'? Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:02 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer From: "Vern W. Smith" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Vern W. Smith" Hi Link, I purchased a reconditioned one from the Yardstore at www.yardstore.com. Have two yokes a standard 3" deep one and a 4" thin nose (has no hole in the yoke just a flat surface for forming the shop head.) From time to time I wish I had a longeron yoke. Also an adjustable set holder (it threads in and out to adjust for working thickness) is a nice touch, compared to the fixed set holders that you add washers under the set for adjustment. Both will work though. One thing to keep in mind if you look into the Yardstore is most of their squeezers come with the fixed set holder. However the adjustable sets holders are available separately from Cleveland tools as are new squeezers. Vern (40324 wings) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Link McGarity Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:09 AM Subject: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer --> RV10-List message posted by: Link McGarity Anybody using one of these? Best size, type of yokes? Tool vendor source? Thanks, Link McGarity RV6/N42GF RV10/N41GF(rsvd)/#40622 Wellington, FL (FD38) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:22 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" I started out the primitive way with a hand squeezer and as soon as I tried out a friend's pneumatic unit I bought one. I have the same yokes as others have mentioned - 3" C, Longeron and a 4" no hole. I keep the 4" no hole yoke in my hand squeezer. Over 95% of what I need to do uses either the C or Longeron yokes. As others have said, I can't imagine doing this project (especially the slow build) without a pneumatic squeezer. Bob #40105 Do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:37 AM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick My 4" no hole hardly ever got used mainly because you had to use washers/shims. When it was needed it was NEEDED I'll say that! My adjustable set worked great on the 2 & 3" yokes. For me it's Marlboros, (no flames I'll quit) What you smoking :) Rick -----Original Message----- >From: Tim Olson >Sent: Sep 13, 2006 7:28 AM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer > >--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > >Rick wrote: >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick >> >> You betcha!! >> >> It's worth every penny. I have a 4" no-hole, a 3" regular C and a >> 2.5" Longeron. If I did it again I would have gone with a 3" no-hole >> instead of the 4. The reason being is you can use the adjustable >> rivet set with the three but not the 4. Oh yeah, get the adjustable >> ram/rivet set too. Worth it's weight in shims. Can't say enough about >> the value of this tool. > >Hey Rick, I used my adjustable set exclusively throughout the >build, and never even tried the primitive washer way. It's >funny that you say that about the 4" no hole, because I >used it a ton. Is it me, or is one of us smokin' somethin'? > >Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:55 AM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" I did not know that. All I've seen in Ed's shop is the world's largest C-frame, an industrial behemoth that must weigh 6 tons and can put a dainty dimple six feet inside a sheet of 1/4" steel. I exaggerate of course, but it is big. I'll get a picture of it this weekend, should Ed be around. John J do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:17 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson John, you should go see Ed out by you. He's got a good setup for his hand squeezer. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive John Jessen wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" > > I would be interested in taking a look, should you have pictures or a > schematic, at your adapter plate for the C-frame. > > John J > 40328 > > do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David > Hertner > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:15 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "David Hertner" > > Link, > > I highly recommend that you purchase one of these tools. I > purchased mine from Avery and it has performed beautifully. I > purchased a 3" yoke, a 4" yoke that has a narrow tip for tight spots and the longeron yoke. The 3" > yoke stays on the tool most of the time and the longeron yoke comes in > second when it comes to usage. The narrow tip 4" yoke isn't used as > much as the other two but is definitely worth purchasing. I use it for > everything. I even designed an adapter plate that converts it into a > large C-frame dimpler. > > Personally, I couldn't imagine building a metal airplane without > this tool. > > Dave Hertner > RV-10 C-GVMH #40164 > London, Ontario > Canada CYXU > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Link McGarity" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:08 AM > Subject: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer > > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Link McGarity >> --> >> >> Anybody using one of these? Best size, type of yokes? Tool vendor source? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Link McGarity >> RV6/N42GF >> RV10/N41GF(rsvd)/#40622 >> Wellington, FL (FD38) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:28 AM PST US From: "Mike Lauritsen - Work" Subject: RE: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Lauritsen - Work" Cleaveland (that's me) sells them at the following link. https://www.cleavelandtoolstore.com/products.asp?dept=52 In the order of most used yokes there is the 3", 2.5" Flange (longeron), and 4" thin nose. People like the 4" thin because you can reach in a little further with it and still have the thin nose for other tight areas. Our adjustable set holder will work with all of the yokes where others only work with the 1" thick base yokes. Ours also has a 32 pitch thread in the ram so if you switch from a -3.5 to a -4 rivet it is just a half turn. No measuring needed. We will match the competitions price as long as it is the exact same item & quality. Mike Lauritsen Cleaveland Aircraft Tool 2225 First St. Boone, Iowa 50036 515-432-6794 mike@cleavelandtool.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:04 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick You betcha!! It's worth every penny. I have a 4" no-hole, a 3" regular C and a 2.5" Longeron. If I did it again I would have gone with a 3" no-hole instead of the 4. The reason being is you can use the adjustable rivet set with the three but not the 4. Oh yeah, get the adjustable ram/rivet set too. Worth it's weight in shims. Can't say enough about the value of this tool. I used it to complete all my aluminum work on the RV-10. I don't have a hand squeezer in my collection of tools. Buyer beware off E-bay only because of the few stories I have heard about getting bad ones, but they did manage to get the bad ones rebuilt for some savings over a new one if your into taking that risk. I picked mine up at http://www.rivettools.com along with their 20 piece "RV" rivet sets. These are the BEST made sets I ever used and it has all the screw dimple dies you will need as well. My dimple dies are still intact (heard of nubs breaking off some) and I found they make cleaner dimples than many of the cheaper versions if you can call $28-30 cheap! The set is $150. No affiliation with them just great service and the tool is still going strong. Rick S. 40185 -----Original Message----- >From: Link McGarity >Sent: Sep 13, 2006 3:08 AM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer > >--> RV10-List message posted by: Link McGarity > >Anybody using one of these? Best size, type of yokes? Tool vendor source? > >Thanks, > >Link McGarity >RV6/N42GF >RV10/N41GF(rsvd)/#40622 >Wellington, FL (FD38) > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:40 AM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" I also use the 4" with the adjustable set. Works okay for me. John J do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:28 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Rick wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick > > You betcha!! > > It's worth every penny. I have a 4" no-hole, a 3" regular C and a 2.5" > Longeron. If I did it again I would have gone with a 3" no-hole > instead of the 4. The reason being is you can use the adjustable rivet > set with the three but not the 4. Oh yeah, get the adjustable > ram/rivet set too. Worth it's weight in shims. Can't say enough about > the value of this tool. Hey Rick, I used my adjustable set exclusively throughout the build, and never even tried the primitive washer way. It's funny that you say that about the 4" no hole, because I used it a ton. Is it me, or is one of us smokin' somethin'? Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:04 AM PST US From: LessDragProd@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer It's good to hear that someone else needed the large economy size pneumatic squeezer. We just finished squeezing the 3/16" rivets in an RV-4 spar. No problem. With the large squeezer, I oversqueezed a dimple on a test piece of aluminum, once. The dimple came out fine. However, the material around the dimple was thinner. I seem to recall that the transition from dimple to countersinking in aluminum is 0.040 material. Anyone have different data? Jim Ayers In a message dated 09/13/2006 7:44:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jjessen@rcn.com writes: --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" I did not know that. All I've seen in Ed's shop is the world's largest C-frame, an industrial behemoth that must weigh 6 tons and can put a dainty dimple six feet inside a sheet of 1/4" steel. I exaggerate of course, but it is big. I'll get a picture of it this weekend, should Ed be around. John J do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:57 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." I had a hand squeezer from Avery, and loved it, and had great results. Unfortunately for my check book, a close friend went on vacation and loaned me his pneumatic squeezer from Avery, and I feel in love with it. He had to pry it out of my hands when he got back. My wife ordered me one for a present and included several yokes with it, the 4" no hole, a standard 3", and the longeron yoke. The two I use most are the 4" no-hole, and the longeron. I have the adjustable set and have used it with all of the yokes and it works great. I highly recommend Avery, both for the quality and for their customer service. I bent the adjustable set, because of something I did, and they replaced it for no charge. They are also competitive on their pricing, if you find it elsewhere cheaper, just call them on the phone and they will work with you. Dan Lloyd 40269 RV10E N289DT (Reserved) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Link McGarity Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:09 AM Subject: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer --> RV10-List message posted by: Link McGarity Anybody using one of these? Best size, type of yokes? Tool vendor source? Thanks, Link McGarity RV6/N42GF RV10/N41GF(rsvd)/#40622 Wellington, FL (FD38) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:56 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Weird...I wonder if there's something different about your yoke or squeezer. Oh well. As for me, I only smoke when I'm on fire...which seems to happen with a strange regularity when I'm around bonfires. ;) Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Rick wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick > > > My 4" no hole hardly ever got used mainly because you had to use > washers/shims. When it was needed it was NEEDED I'll say that! My > adjustable set worked great on the 2 & 3" yokes. > > For me it's Marlboros, (no flames I'll quit) What you smoking :) > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:36 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: Insurance Rates - A fun little rant of mine --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson I just got another mailing from Avemco soliciting me for insurance from them. I've been tossing them out, but I thought that maybe this time I'd stuff the envelope with something that hopefully will eventually make a difference. So here's what I put in it...I had fun writing it. --- 9/13/2006 Avemco Management, I am writing to you to inform you that it is a waste of time to solicit me regarding insurance for my plane, an experimental RV-10. After receiving a couple of verbal quotes before I completed my plane, and hearing about other RV-10 builders experiences with quotes on their RV-10s by Avemco, you guys have quickly become the laughing stock of the RV-10 insurance market.a market that is considerable. There are now well over 625 RV-10 kits sold, and over 50 flying. Mine is up to 138 hours of trouble-free operation, and there are other builders with over 300 hours. These aircraft have a typical hull value of between $120,000 and $200,000, and should have been a great potential market for any insurance company. They are built from kits from a highly reputable kit company, they are generally built with fairly high building standards, and they are a very well handling and performing plane. I myself am very active in the RV-10 builder community and I thought it worth while to pass this feedback to you, as perhaps once you come to the realization that you are completely out of your minds on insurance rates for these planes, things may eventually be changed. My initial quote from you was for $4,900, which is well over $1500 more than I ended up paying through alternate insurers. So you can kindly take me off of your mailing list until such a time that your rates reflect the current realities of todays market for these planes. It would be very nice if we could see competitive rates, such as $150,000 hull value for under $2,500/yr, but until then, youve really lost this entire market. Sincerely, Tim Olson -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:16 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Insurance Rates - A fun little rant of mine From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Very well done, and entertaining! Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 1:41 PM Subject: RV10-List: Insurance Rates - A fun little rant of mine --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson I just got another mailing from Avemco soliciting me for insurance from them. I've been tossing them out, but I thought that maybe this time I'd stuff the envelope with something that hopefully will eventually make a difference. So here's what I put in it...I had fun writing it. --- 9/13/2006 Avemco Management, I am writing to you to inform you that it is a waste of time to solicit me regarding insurance for my plane, an experimental RV-10. After receiving a couple of verbal quotes before I completed my plane, and hearing about other RV-10 builders experiences with quotes on their RV-10's by Avemco, you guys have quickly become the laughing stock of the RV-10 insurance market....a market that is considerable. There are now well over 625 RV-10 kits sold, and over 50 flying. Mine is up to 138 hours of trouble-free operation, and there are other builders with over 300 hours. These aircraft have a typical hull value of between $120,000 and $200,000, and should have been a great potential market for any insurance company. They are built from kits from a highly reputable kit company, they are generally built with fairly high building standards, and they are a very well handling and performing plane. I myself am very active in the RV-10 builder community and I thought it worth while to pass this feedback to you, as perhaps once you come to the realization that you are completely out of your minds on insurance rates for these planes, things may eventually be changed. My initial quote from you was for $4,900, which is well over $1500 more than I ended up paying through alternate insurers. So you can kindly take me off of your mailing list until such a time that your rates reflect the current realities of today's market for these planes. It would be very nice if we could see competitive rates, such as $150,000 hull value for under $2,500/yr, but until then, you've really lost this entire market. Sincerely, Tim Olson -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:42 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Insurance Rates - A fun little rant of mine From: "Phillips, Jack" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" Good one, Tim. Just keep racking up the hours on your bird, safely, and maybe they'll come to realize that these planes are not a bad risk. Meanwhile, I'll probably continue to go with Falcon. I used to insure with Avemco but they priced themselves out of my reach years ago. Jack Phillips #610 Plugging away on the Horizontal Stabilizer -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:41 PM Subject: RV10-List: Insurance Rates - A fun little rant of mine --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson I just got another mailing from Avemco soliciting me for insurance from them. I've been tossing them out, but I thought that maybe this time I'd stuff the envelope with something that hopefully will eventually make a difference. So here's what I put in it...I had fun writing it. --- 9/13/2006 Avemco Management, I am writing to you to inform you that it is a waste of time to solicit me regarding insurance for my plane, an experimental RV-10. After receiving a couple of verbal quotes before I completed my plane, and hearing about other RV-10 builders experiences with quotes on their RV-10's by Avemco, you guys have quickly become the laughing stock of the RV-10 insurance market....a market that is considerable. There are now well over 625 RV-10 kits sold, and over 50 flying. Mine is up to 138 hours of trouble-free operation, and there are other builders with over 300 hours. These aircraft have a typical hull value of between $120,000 and $200,000, and should have been a great potential market for any insurance company. They are built from kits from a highly reputable kit company, they are generally built with fairly high building standards, and they are a very well handling and performing plane. I myself am very active in the RV-10 builder community and I thought it worth while to pass this feedback to you, as perhaps once you come to the realization that you are completely out of your minds on insurance rates for these planes, things may eventually be changed. My initial quote from you was for $4,900, which is well over $1500 more than I ended up paying through alternate insurers. So you can kindly take me off of your mailing list until such a time that your rates reflect the current realities of today's market for these planes. It would be very nice if we could see competitive rates, such as $150,000 hull value for under $2,500/yr, but until then, you've really lost this entire market. Sincerely, Tim Olson -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive _________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:14 PM PST US From: Jeff Carpenter Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance Rates - A fun little rant of mine --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter Three Cheers for Tim!!! Do Not Archive Jeff Carpenter 40304 Flaps On Sep 13, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Tim Olson wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > I just got another mailing from Avemco soliciting me for insurance > from them. I've been tossing them out, but I thought that maybe > this time I'd stuff the envelope with something that hopefully > will eventually make a difference. > > So here's what I put in it...I had fun writing it. > > --- > > 9/13/2006 > > Avemco Management, > > I am writing to you to inform you that it is a waste of time to > solicit me regarding insurance for my plane, an experimental > RV-10. After receiving a couple of verbal quotes before I > completed my plane, and hearing about other RV-10 builders > experiences with quotes on their RV-10s by Avemco, you guys have > quickly become the laughing stock of the RV-10 insurance market.a > market that is considerable. There are now well over 625 RV-10 > kits sold, and over 50 flying. Mine is up to 138 hours of trouble- > free operation, and there are other builders with over 300 hours. > These aircraft have a typical hull value of between $120,000 and > $200,000, and should have been a great potential market for any > insurance company. They are built from kits from a highly > reputable kit company, they are generally built with fairly high > building standards, and they are a very well handling and > performing plane. I myself am very active in the RV-10 builder > community and I thought it worth while to pass this feedback to > you, as perhaps once you come to the realization that you are > completely out of your minds on insurance rates for these planes, > things may eventually be changed. My initial quote from you was > for $4,900, which is well over $1500 more than I ended up paying > through alternate insurers. > > So you can kindly take me off of your mailing list until such a > time that your rates reflect the current realities of todays > market for these planes. It would be very nice if we could see > competitive rates, such as $150,000 hull value for under $2,500/yr, > but until then, youve really lost this entire market. > > Sincerely, > > Tim Olson > > -- > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:17:49 PM PST US From: "Fred Williams, M.D." Subject: RV10-List: Insurance rates --> RV10-List message posted by: "Fred Williams, M.D." The rates have to be that high to finance all the junk mail. Trolling for suckers. Fred Williams 40515 Slow build wings. Top skins on.... stall switch in lt side. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:31 PM PST US From: "Steven DiNieri" Subject: RE: RV10-List: C Type Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer --> RV10-List message posted by: "Steven DiNieri" Absolutely a must have, IMO. Nothing can give a consistently driven rivet like a pneumatic squeezer with an adjustable set. I use it on every rivet I can reach. 90% of the time I leave the longeron head in. I also use it for dimpling of ribs and stingers and anything I can get at. I have a double ram squeezer thats capable of up to -6 rivets. Its a bit heavy and I wished I had bought the single ram lighter version. I dont think I've used it on anything larger than a -4. Steve 40205 > --> RV10-List message posted by: Link McGarity > > Anybody using one of these? Best size, type of yokes? Tool vendor source? > > Thanks, -- ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:15 PM PST US From: Larry R <_lr_@yahoo.com> Subject: RV10-List: RV10 tail kit for sale - Southeastern NY --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry R <_lr_@yahoo.com> After much consideration and soul-searching, I have decided to put my tail kit (S/N 400022) up for sale. Rudder, VS completed, HS in progress. Vans-provided documents included. Fasteners are sorted into chests of plastic drawers. Builder's log sent via email upon request. Buyer will need to pick this up in Centerport, NY, about 30 miles east of NYC. $3000. Interested parties, please contact me via email. Larry Rachman __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:57 PM PST US From: GenGrumpy@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance Rates - A fun little rant of mine Amen!!!! Grumpy 40404 do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:12 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying -10s in Northwest From: "McGANN, Ron" Post below did not work - tryin' again with an Umherikun accent: 'owdy y'all , Ahm in Seattle at da momen un biznuss . Wuz wunderin' if der waz any dun 10's 'roun' 'ere. Vans is jus 'roun da bend', but they ain't open on da weegen. Ahll ave sum time ta kyall over de weegend (7/8 Sep), so would luve to tooch base with any buildars in de area. y'all ave good day now Rarn from the da deeeep South G'day all, I am in Seattle at the moment on business. I was wondering if there were any completed 10's in the area. I know Vans is 'just down the road', but I think they are closed on the weekends. (I think I flew over their field on the way up from LAX - and the scenery here is just awesome!). I'll have some time to kill over this coming weekend (7/8 Sep), so would love to touch base with any builders in the area. cheers, Ron from South Oz finishing (when I'm home) Do not archive