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1. 01:58 AM - Re: 51% Rule saga continues (RAS)
2. 06:19 AM - Re: engine inspections? (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
3. 06:43 AM - Superior's engine build program (Eric_Kallio)
4. 06:43 AM - mostly completed -10 for sale (Pascal)
5. 07:44 AM - Re: 51% Rule saga continues (Dave Saylor)
6. 10:52 AM - Re: engine inspections? (linn Walters)
7. 11:08 AM - Re: Superior's engine build program (John Hasbrouck)
8. 01:01 PM - Re: mostly completed -10 for sale (Marcus Cooper)
9. 01:24 PM - Re: Superior's engine build program (kilopapa@antelecom.net)
10. 04:22 PM - Site finally updated today - Homecoming Trip and more (Tim Olson)
11. 05:30 PM - Re: Superior's engine build program (David McNeill)
12. 05:54 PM - Need Some Advice (dmaib@mac.com)
13. 06:44 PM - Re: Need Some Advice (Marc)
14. 07:00 PM - Re: mostly completed -10 for sale (Marc)
15. 07:47 PM - Unfortunate Mistake (dmaib@mac.com)
16. 07:58 PM - Re: Need Some Advice (Rob Wright)
17. 08:03 PM - Re: Unfortunate Mistake (Rob Wright)
18. 09:43 PM - Re: Need Some Advice (John W. Cox)
19. 10:01 PM - Using Sikaflex to bond windows (kilopapa@antelecom.net)
20. 10:13 PM - Re: mostly completed -10 for sale (Pascal)
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| Subject: | Re: 51% Rule saga continues |
Hi All,
Van's will never break the 51% law by selling a kit. It is the person
who actually registers the project who does.
Spend time building.
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| Subject: | engine inspections? |
$4000 to $5000 for tear-down, inspection, and re-assembly, assuming all
is okay. Don't know on changing ignition or injection.
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Chris Johnston
Sent: Fri 9/15/2006 11:52 PM
Subject: RV10-List: engine inspections?
hey all -
i'm looking into buying an overhauled engine from a private seller, and
wondered what cost is usually associated with having an engine shop
disassemble and inspect the engine? i'm looking at an 0-540 E4B5 that i
want to change over to fuel injection, and also install electronic
ignition instead of mags. as an ex-drag race engine builder, i have a
pretty good handle on engines in general, but i've never dealt with an
aircraft engine, and would rather have a professional make sure all is
good. any and all advice would be GREATLY appreciated. also the engine
is an O-540 E4B5, which i think is appropriate for the RV-10 from the
research that i did, but if somehow i've misread or misunderstood the
engine identifiers that are comparable, please, someone let me know
before i waste a bunch of money!
thanks in advance!
cj
#40410
fuse
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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| Subject: | Superior's engine build program |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019@msn.com>
For any one that is interested in the Superior engine build program similar to
the XP-360, as I am, I contacted them about the possibility of an XP-540 program
at their build center and was very politely told that it wasn't going to happen.
I don't believe they understand the potential market for the 540 series
engines. If anyone else may be interested send them an email at xp360info@superiorairparts.com
and maybe if they see enough demand for the engine, we as a community
may see another alternative engine source. It never hurts to ask right.
Eric
40518 SB wings
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| Subject: | mostly completed -10 for sale |
Just passing a note I saw on another forum for anyone interested.
Mostly complete RV-10 for sale
Posted by: "edmondperry@sbcglobal.net" edmondperry@sbcglobal.net
edperry64
Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:01 am (PST)
A friend of mine lives in Auburn Wa and is trying to buy a hanger from a
lady whose husband just passed away. He was finishing up a -10 and from
the pictures it looks real nice. Glass cockpit and real clean. Not
flying yet but if anybody's looking for one I will forward the info to
you.
I will be at the airport most of today and will respond later tonight,
Ed Perry
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| Subject: | 51% Rule saga continues |
John,
>>If only Rick Schrameck was on that committee I could say "Fair and
Balanced". <<
Rick is on the committee, along with those you mentioned (thanks) and:
Frank Paskiewicz, FAA Production and Airworthiness Division, AIR-200
Earl Lawrence, Experimental Aircraft Association
Kim Barnette, FAA Flight Standards Service, AFS-300
Mike Brown, FAA Flight Standards Service, AFS-800
Stephen Buczynski, FAA Aircraft Certification, Van Nuys MIDO
Paul Fiduccia, Small Aircraft Manufacturers Association (SAMA)
Joe Gauthier, Manufacturing DAR
Paul Greer, Airworthiness Law Branch, AGC-210
Donald Lausman, FAA Airworthiness Certification Branch, AIR-230
Matt Tomsheck, FAA Aircraft Certification, Cleveland MIDO
Mikael Via, Glasair
Brian Whitehead, Transport Canada Civil Aviation
Jeremy Monnett, Sonex
It's as good a representation as I could ask for.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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| Subject: | Re: engine inspections? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Chris, I don't know how much it would cost for a shop to do it. Your
racing engine was far better technology ...... the aircraft engines are
simple as a rock. First I'd poke a small light up through one plug hole
and look into the cylinder through the other to check for rust. Look
through both plug holes! Then I'd remove the cylinders on both sides to
access the cam to see if it has rusted on the faces. You can pull the
cylinders off (beg, borrow or steal the cylinder base wrenches) 'till
the piston pin is visible and leave the piston in the cylinder. Just
don't let the con-rod bang against the case. Then use a mirror to check
the cam follower faces for spalling. This is the weak spot in an engine
that has sat for a long time. The bottom end seldom is a problem, but
you won't know until you run it and find metal in the filter. If you
decide to tear down the engine yourself, splitting the case is the
hardest part. You can use a hardwood block and a heavy hammer to
alternately rap the through bolts and it'll part OK. Another good
indicator of health is the lash in the oil pump gears. Just bget both
manuals ..... ACS has them or you can order direct from Lycoming .... or
Continental ....... whatever you have. Shoot, if you still have your
tools from the racing days ..... you won't have to buy a piston ring
compressor!!!!
Linn
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Chris Johnston wrote:
>hey all -
>
>i'm looking into buying an overhauled engine from a private seller, and wondered
what cost is usually associated with having an engine shop disassemble and
inspect the engine? i'm looking at an 0-540 E4B5 that i want to change over to
fuel injection, and also install electronic ignition instead of mags. as an
ex-drag race engine builder, i have a pretty good handle on engines in general,
but i've never dealt with an aircraft engine, and would rather have a professional
make sure all is good. any and all advice would be GREATLY appreciated.
also the engine is an O-540 E4B5, which i think is appropriate for the RV-10
from the research that i did, but if somehow i've misread or misunderstood
the engine identifiers that are comparable, please, someone let me know before
i waste a bunch of money!
>
>thanks in advance!
>
>cj
>#40410
>fuse
>www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Superior's engine build program |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Eric,
I asked them the same question about a year and a half ago and got the
same response. Sad to see nothing has changed. I am also interested in
doing an engine build, will probably find a local IA and do it with his
help.
BTW: I have not been able to post anything to the list, everything gets
bounced back. If by chance this makes it on the list, is anyone else having
a problem?
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| Subject: | mostly completed -10 for sale |
Ed,
Can you post some pictures and price info for those of us that don't want
to join the SOCAL Yahoo group? I have a friend that may be interested.
Thanks,
Marcus
4.5 hours to 40 hr testing complete!
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 9:43 AM
Subject: RV10-List: mostly completed -10 for sale
Just passing a note I saw on another forum for anyone interested.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCAL-RVlist/message/19841;_ylc=X3oDMTJydWgxM
m83BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4NDQ1OTUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNjAwMDY1NjE4BG1zZ0lkAzE5O
DQxBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzExNTg0MDcxODg-> Mostly complete RV-10
for sale
Posted by: "edmondperry@sbcglobal.net"
<mailto:edmondperry@sbcglobal.net?Subject=Re:%20Mostly%20complete%20RV-10%20
for%20sale> edmondperry@sbcglobal.net
<http://profiles.yahoo.com/edperry64> edperry64
Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:01 am (PST)
A friend of mine lives in Auburn Wa and is trying to buy a hanger from a
lady whose husband just passed away. He was finishing up a -10 and from the
pictures it looks real nice. Glass cockpit and real clean. Not flying yet
but if anybody's looking for one I will forward the info to you.
I will be at the airport most of today and will respond later tonight,
Ed Perry
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| Subject: | Re: Superior's engine build program |
--> RV10-List message posted by: kilopapa@antelecom.net
RE: Posting to the list
I have had no problem.
Kevin
40494
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| Subject: | Site finally updated today - Homecoming Trip and more |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I finally got around to updating the site today. I put in a lot of the
tips and gotchas that people have sent recently
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/index.html
I also wrote up my trip to Oregon to Van's for the homecoming. I did
get some hard IFR flying on that trip, so it was very exciting for me.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/index.html
Just wanted to let y'all know, since I know there are a few of you
out there who love RV-10 stories for motivation. :)
Other good news: I finally got the proper combinations of autopilot
and Chelton settings to make the GPSV hold smooth altitude with my
TruTrak Digiflight II VSGV. You have to do some work in a hidden
privileged mode of the TruTrak to turn down some GPSV gain.
Now everything is working just super.
Things just keep getting better. Pound 'dem rivets, 'cuz this flying
stuff is really great!
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying 140 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Superior's engine build program |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
Do you want an engine before 2010? better try something that already exists
and is tested
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019@msn.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 6:42 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Superior's engine build program
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019@msn.com>
>
> For any one that is interested in the Superior engine build program
> similar to the XP-360, as I am, I contacted them about the possibility of
> an XP-540 program at their build center and was very politely told that it
> wasn't going to happen. I don't believe they understand the potential
> market for the 540 series engines. If anyone else may be interested send
> them an email at xp360info@superiorairparts.com and maybe if they see
> enough demand for the engine, we as a community may see another
> alternative engine source. It never hurts to ask right.
>
> Eric
> 40518 SB wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=61935#61935
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Need Some Advice |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "dmaib@mac.com" <dmaib@mac.com>
I had an unfortunate accident this afternoon when one of my Quick Build wings slipped
from it's cradle. As you will see from the images, the inboard leading
edge was dented and the inboard end of the fuel tank was deformed. I would like
to hear some thoughts on recovering from this mistake.
David Maib :(
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| Subject: | Need Some Advice |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marc" <marchudson@comcast.net>
David
I wasn't able to see the pictures. You might want to resend them.
Hopefully you will be able to repair the damage. Sorry
to hear about it.
Marc Hudson
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dmaib@mac.com
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 7:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Need Some Advice
--> RV10-List message posted by: "dmaib@mac.com" <dmaib@mac.com>
I had an unfortunate accident this afternoon when one of my Quick Build
wings slipped from it's cradle. As you will see from the images, the inboard
leading edge was dented and the inboard end of the fuel tank was deformed. I
would like to hear some thoughts on recovering from this mistake.
David Maib :(
#40559
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| Subject: | mostly completed -10 for sale |
Ed
Can you send me some info on RV that is for sale?
Thanks Marc Hudson
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 8:43 AM
Subject: RV10-List: mostly completed -10 for sale
Just passing a note I saw on another forum for anyone interested.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCAL-RVlist/message/19841;_ylc=X3oDMTJydWgxM
m83BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE4NDQ1OTUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNjAwMDY1NjE4BG1zZ0lkAzE5O
DQxBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzExNTg0MDcxODg-> Mostly complete RV-10
for sale
Posted by: "edmondperry@sbcglobal.net"
<mailto:edmondperry@sbcglobal.net?Subject=Re:%20Mostly%20complete%20RV-10%20
for%20sale> edmondperry@sbcglobal.net
<http://profiles.yahoo.com/edperry64> edperry64
Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:01 am (PST)
A friend of mine lives in Auburn Wa and is trying to buy a hanger from a
lady whose husband just passed away. He was finishing up a -10 and from the
pictures it looks real nice. Glass cockpit and real clean. Not flying yet
but if anybody's looking for one I will forward the info to you.
I will be at the airport most of today and will respond later tonight,
Ed Perry
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| Subject: | Unfortunate Mistake |
I had an accident this afternoon when on of my RV-10 Quick Build wings slip
ped off the cradle. The inboard leading edge was dented and the inboard fue
l tank panel was slightly deformed. I am looking for advice on how to grace
fully recover from this (completely preventable) mistake.
David Maib
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| Subject: | Need Some Advice |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
This is awesome! I'm not alone! Sorry for sounding thankful for your plight
but misery loves company.
I logged my event in my builder's log but didn't want to immortalize it that
much so I didn't take any pics.
My wing slipped off the cradle and fell the few inches to the concrete floor
of my shop, denting in the extreme inboard leading edge of the fuel tank,
and pushing in the non-riveted front edge tabs on the inboard rib. This, of
course, broke the QB pro-seal seal bead on the tank.
After calming down (:]), I looked at it and decided that the skin wasn't
compromised. About a 4" segment of the leading edge was just pitted from
the roughness of the concrete floor, and the LE right at the rib was dented
from the impact.
To fix, I used my rivet gun on a rounded block of wood held against the
front edge tabs to push them back into place. In some places I used just
the rivet gun itself (flush head both times) to push the AL back into place.
With the basic airfoil back into shape I used scotchbrite pads to
scuff/smooth the pits in the LE and then just primed it until it gets to the
paint shop to keep corrosion from forming, cuz I bet there was a lot of area
that was gouged past the alclad.
Then I mixed up a generous batch of proseal and resealed around every
conceivable area that could have been compromised from the fall. Done!
Yes my very inboard section of the wing is still a little flat, but after a
root fairing and a good coat of body work and paint there should be no
cosmetic residue. After leak testing my fuel sender/quick drain/fuel pickup
install both tanks were very satisfactory to me.
Rob Wright
#392
L Wing Tip
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dmaib@mac.com
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 7:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Need Some Advice
--> RV10-List message posted by: "dmaib@mac.com" <dmaib@mac.com>
I had an unfortunate accident this afternoon when one of my Quick Build
wings slipped from it's cradle. As you will see from the images, the inboard
leading edge was dented and the inboard end of the fuel tank was deformed. I
would like to hear some thoughts on recovering from this mistake.
David Maib :(
#40559
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| Subject: | Unfortunate Mistake |
David,
After checking out your slideshow I personally believe that you have only
cosmetic problems. The leading edge tabs on my rib were literally poking
through the proseal bead; I didn't see that on yours. I think reshaping the
inboard part of the airfoil will be your only necessary fix, but you may
want to check for torn areas in your proseal and reseal them.
Rob
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| Subject: | Need Some Advice |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
David - Rob is real close on the complete solution. The other more
distant alternative, new components and a complete rebuild which is time
consuming, expensive and unnecessary.
If you need more clear and concise steps at returning to the original
airfoil and the exact tools (under $15.00) to effect the change, email
me offline to keep the whiners down and I will list out each step for
you. Rob's right about the prosealed tank seam too. There is a little
mold building involved, dent removal, planishing then prime, but it can
be fun and informative (useful when you come to the canopy too).
Repair of hangar rash is an all too common skill with many GA aircraft.
After the recovery, no one should be able to tell a thing. Structurally
it is a non issue.
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Wright
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 7:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Need Some Advice
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
This is awesome! I'm not alone! Sorry for sounding thankful for your
plight
but misery loves company.
--> RV10-List message posted by: "dmaib@mac.com" <dmaib@mac.com>
I had an unfortunate accident this afternoon when one of my Quick Build
wings slipped from it's cradle. As you will see from the images, the
inboard
leading edge was dented and the inboard end of the fuel tank was
deformed. I
would like to hear some thoughts on recovering from this mistake.
David Maib :(
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| Subject: | Using Sikaflex to bond windows |
--> RV10-List message posted by: kilopapa@antelecom.net
Here is one of several links I found detailing the use of
Sikaflex 295 UV to bond the windows.
http://www.rv8.ch/search.php?query=sika&type=all&mode=search
Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: mostly completed -10 for sale |
----- Original Message -----
From: terry cronin
To: pascalreid@verizon.net
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: mostly completed -10 for sale
Forwarding response for those interested:
I will give her your name, and if she gives me more info will send it
your way
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcus Cooper
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 1:00 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: mostly completed -10 for sale
Ed,
Can you post some pictures and price info for those of us that
don't want to join the SOCAL Yahoo group? I have a friend that may be
interested.
Thanks,
Marcus
4.5 hours to 40 hr testing complete!
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 9:43 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: mostly completed -10 for sale
Just passing a note I saw on another forum for anyone interested.
Mostly complete RV-10 for sale
Posted by: "edmondperry@sbcglobal.net" edmondperry@sbcglobal.net
edperry64
Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:01 am (PST)
A friend of mine lives in Auburn Wa and is trying to buy a hanger
from a lady whose husband just passed away. He was finishing up a -10
and from the pictures it looks real nice. Glass cockpit and real clean.
Not flying yet but if anybody's looking for one I will forward the info
to you.
I will be at the airport most of today and will respond later
tonight,
Ed Perry
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