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1. 04:46 AM - Gas struts (Chris , Susie Darcy)
2. 04:50 AM - Re: Gas struts (Chris , Susie Darcy)
3. 04:52 AM - Re: Gas struts (Chris , Susie Darcy)
4. 05:10 AM - Re: Re: Gas struts (Tim Olson)
5. 05:19 AM - Re: trim brackets (Tom Deutsch)
6. 05:36 AM - Re: trim brackets (zackrv8)
7. 06:26 AM - Re: Re: Gas struts ()
8. 07:00 AM - (BPA)
9. 01:22 PM - Great Articles few copies (John W. Cox)
10. 03:16 PM - Motor Mount (zackrv8)
11. 03:16 PM - Re: Great Articles few copies (John Dunne)
12. 03:30 PM - Re: Motor Mount (Rene Felker)
13. 03:41 PM - Re: Motor Mount (John Dunne)
14. 05:50 PM - Isham Planetools for RV-10 kits (tomhanaway)
15. 05:55 PM - rv10x smile ()
16. 05:56 PM - hugo x smile ()
17. 06:11 PM - Re: Isham Planetools for RV-10 kits (Rob Wright)
18. 06:52 PM - When to order QB wings & Fuselage (johngoodman)
19. 07:04 PM - Re: Isham Planetools for RV-10 kits (Marc)
20. 08:36 PM - Re: Isham Planetools for RV-10 kits (DAVE LEIKAM)
21. 08:50 PM - The Yard Store (Was Isham Planetools for RV-10 kits) (Les Kearney)
22. 09:12 PM - Re: The Yard Store (Was Isham Planetools for RV-10 kits) (Rick)
23. 09:29 PM - Re: When to order QB wings & Fuselage (Rick)
24. 09:52 PM - Re: Great Articles few copies (Marc Cook)
25. 09:57 PM - Re: Great Articles few copies (Marc Cook)
26. 10:47 PM - Re: Great Articles few copies (John W. Cox)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
Hi my door gas strutts will not compress , I mean I cannot make them
collapse at all!!
Anyone had this problem??
Chris 388
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
I just tried putting all my weight on one and it did colapse...are they
meant to have this much pressure!!
regards Chris
> Hi my door gas strutts will not compress , I mean I cannot make them
> collapse at all!!
>
> Anyone had this problem??
>
> Chris 388
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
I just tried putting all my weight on one and it did colapse...are they
meant to have this much pressure!!
regards Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: Gas struts
>
> I just tried putting all my weight on one and it did colapse...are they
> meant to have this much pressure!!
>
> regards Chris
>
>> Hi my door gas strutts will not compress , I mean I cannot make them
>> collapse at all!!
>>
>> Anyone had this problem??
>>
>> Chris 388
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Yes, that's normal. They're MUCH different when on the door.
Worried me for a while too.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Chris , Susie Darcy wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
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>
> I just tried putting all my weight on one and it did colapse...are they
> meant to have this much pressure!!
>
> regards Chris
>
>> Hi my door gas strutts will not compress , I mean I cannot make them
>> collapse at all!!
>>
>> Anyone had this problem??
>>
>> Chris 388
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tom Deutsch" <deutscht@rhwhotels.com>
Can someone give me contact information for the milled trim brackets?
Tom Deutsch, #405
Office 913 451-1222
Fax 913 451-6493
Cell 913 908-7752
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gommone7@bellsouth.net
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 3:52 PM
Subject: RV10-List: trim brackets
I read with interest ,about the trim brackets problems,today I recive
from Dave Czachorowsky the parts he customize for me,basically he
customize the custom part.when I recive about 4 months ago the first
ones I install them ,then when remove for paint I realize its is
imposible to do it without removing the rivets,we discuss this issue and
he build a new ones and install ss inserts for screws ,living some space
for the dimple in the cover plate,here are the pictures,he charge me 25
dol.for the two brackets with the inserts,now I thinks I have the rigth
ones for set up the trims ,and inspection with no hassle.
here are the pictures.
Hugo 40 456
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| Subject: | Re: trim brackets |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "zackrv8" <zackrv8@verizon.net>
deutscht(at)rhwhotels.com wrote:
> Can someone give me contact information for the milled trim brackets?
>
> Tom Deutsch, #405
>
> Office 913 451-1222
> Fax 913 451-6493
> Cell 913 908-7752
>
> --
Tom,
Contact Dave at 302-437-6087 or visit his website at http://www.rivethead-aero.com/
Zack
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RV8 #80125
RV10 # 40512
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--> RV10-List message posted by: <rickgray@adelphia.net>
They work 'as advertised' when installed on the door. Install them and move on
:^).
Rick Gray in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm - Mattituck IO540 TMX looks great - finishing
the cowls :^).
http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/
> I just tried putting all my weight on one and it did colapse...are they
> meant to have this much pressure!!
>
> regards Chris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
> To: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>; <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Gas struts
>
>
> >
> > I just tried putting all my weight on one and it did colapse...are they
> > meant to have this much pressure!!
> >
> > regards Chris
> >
> >> Hi my door gas strutts will not compress , I mean I cannot make them
> >> collapse at all!!
> >>
> >> Anyone had this problem??
> >>
> >> Chris 388
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Lead in the form of tetraethylead raises the octane level of avgas and
mogas. It is one of several anti-detonates but is the most effective.
Contrary to popular opinion it is not a lubricant. There are some
theories that the lead condenses as it is scavenged and provides a
"cushion" of the exhaust valve but the condensate is a by-product of
combustion and is a bromine salt, which Walter correctly states is
abrasive. This topic is better suited for a chemist. :-)
Monty B.
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| Subject: | Great Articles few copies |
Between running to my weekly aviation dinner on Thursday nights and
dashing to the airport to see a friend off to China, my wife slipped me
the latest issue of Kitplanes - October. My friend is part of the
Chinese project to modify three more Boeing 747 cargos into the world's
largest shuttle transports. The prototype flew into Boeing Field this
month. Their variant is 13.5" wider than the modified Airbus who stole
it from the Russian AN-124s. These will become freighters for the 787
fuselages being autoclaved in South Carolina then shipped to and final
assembled in Everett. I set the magazine in a pile.
Back to the magazine. I have been a little frustrated lately after
renewing my subscription for another 3 years to see all the disingenuous
text on Sheetmetal babble for the last few months and the dwindling
number of pages to turn. Enter this issue. A bright fresh start.
It is available on newsstands such as Barnes and Noble or Borders with
about 3 copies per store. It was like a recap on every single issue on
the RV-10 site this week. There is a great article on the aircraft and
the factory owner (rumored to have led to all the sparks against the
Epic LT that led to and what created the 51% taskforce study). It's Ron
Lueck's - and his Colossal 650hp turbine CompAir, this is his chance to
blow his horn while the sparks fly behind the closed door/smoke filled
room. There is an excellent letter to the editor called "Wired for
Safety" on previous incomplete reporting of proper safety wiring
techniques. Most builders would just gloss this side note away. Another
detailed article by editor, Marc Cook on seeking the perfect Panel
construction. He might have excused himself and posted Tim's or Deem's
journey for us guys. There is a remarkable article on Detonation and
Pre-ignition by none other that the source of definitive engine research
- GAMI and APS instructor Walter Atkinson. The Hand Grenade on the
header should get your attention. There are two great articles on Oil
Cooler Basics and Anatomy of a Vernatherm by new reporter, Norm Ellis.
There is even a product review of the DRDT-2 dimpler for lurkers
selecting tools. Guess I must be a Gearhead.
This is one copy you should get before the newsstands are stripped bare.
If you can't find a copy, let me know which article you want to read and
I will PDF you the pages. They won't last the weekend on the newsstand.
Enjoy the read.
Turbanator
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "zackrv8" <zackrv8@verizon.net>
Guys,
Anybody else have this problem?
I pinned the motor mount onto the firewall today. With the top 2 motor mount
holes up flush against the firewall, the bottom 2 outboard holes are about a 3/16
of an inch from the firewall. This is because the 2 bottom inboard mounting
holes of the motor mount won't allow the 2 outboard mounts to sit flush.
What did you guys do about it? Send it back? Make shims? Just pulled it tight
with the bolts? Reweld it?
I'm inclined to make shims. I don't want undue stress on the mount by pulling
it tight with the bolts.
Zack
--------
RV8 #80125
RV10 # 40512
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Great Articles few copies |
Hi John, I would appreciate the article on the detonation and pre-ignition
if and when you get a chance.
Good to see you've adopted the turbanator humour. I really enjoy your
informative posts, aircraft or otherwise!
John 40315
Do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Saturday, 23 September 2006 6:21 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Great Articles few copies
Between running to my weekly aviation dinner on Thursday nights and dashing
to the airport to see a friend off to China, my wife slipped me the latest
issue of Kitplanes - October. My friend is part of the Chinese project to
modify three more Boeing 747 cargos into the world's largest shuttle
transports. The prototype flew into Boeing Field this month. Their variant
is 13.5" wider than the modified Airbus who stole it from the Russian
AN-124s. These will become freighters for the 787 fuselages being
autoclaved in South Carolina then shipped to and final assembled in Everett.
I set the magazine in a pile.
Back to the magazine. I have been a little frustrated lately after renewing
my subscription for another 3 years to see all the disingenuous text on
Sheetmetal babble for the last few months and the dwindling number of pages
to turn. Enter this issue. A bright fresh start.
It is available on newsstands such as Barnes and Noble or Borders with about
3 copies per store. It was like a recap on every single issue on the RV-10
site this week. There is a great article on the aircraft and the factory
owner (rumored to have led to all the sparks against the Epic LT that led to
and what created the 51% taskforce study). It's Ron Lueck's - and his
Colossal 650hp turbine CompAir, this is his chance to blow his horn while
the sparks fly behind the closed door/smoke filled room. There is an
excellent letter to the editor called "Wired for Safety" on previous
incomplete reporting of proper safety wiring techniques. Most builders
would just gloss this side note away. Another detailed article by editor,
Marc Cook on seeking the perfect Panel construction. He might have excused
himself and posted Tim's or Deem's journey for us guys. There is a
remarkable article on Detonation and Pre-ignition by none other that the
source of definitive engine research - GAMI and APS instructor Walter
Atkinson. The Hand Grenade on the header should get your attention. There
are two great articles on Oil Cooler Basics and Anatomy of a Vernatherm by
new reporter, Norm Ellis. There is even a product review of the DRDT-2
dimpler for lurkers selecting tools. Guess I must be a Gearhead.
This is one copy you should get before the newsstands are stripped bare. If
you can't find a copy, let me know which article you want to read and I will
PDF you the pages. They won't last the weekend on the newsstand. Enjoy the
read.
Turbanator
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com>
I do not remember having that problem. If I remember right mine all sat
pretty flat.
Rene' Felker
40322
Finish
N423CF
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of zackrv8
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 4:15 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Motor Mount
--> RV10-List message posted by: "zackrv8" <zackrv8@verizon.net>
Guys,
Anybody else have this problem?
I pinned the motor mount onto the firewall today. With the top 2 motor
mount holes up flush against the firewall, the bottom 2 outboard holes are
about a 3/16 of an inch from the firewall. This is because the 2 bottom
inboard mounting holes of the motor mount won't allow the 2 outboard mounts
to sit flush.
What did you guys do about it? Send it back? Make shims? Just pulled it
tight with the bolts? Reweld it?
I'm inclined to make shims. I don't want undue stress on the mount by
pulling it tight with the bolts.
Zack
--------
RV8 #80125
RV10 # 40512
Read this topic online here:
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Dunne" <acs@acspropeller.com.au>
Zack, my concerns were more to do with the alignment of the outer holes
being up to half a hole out, but found when I began to pull the bolts up it
easily stretched and moved into place, well below any torque value required
on the nuts. You'll find some information in the archives reporting the fact
that there seems to be a bit of twist in some frames.
John 40315
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of zackrv8
Sent: Saturday, 23 September 2006 8:15 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Motor Mount
--> RV10-List message posted by: "zackrv8" <zackrv8@verizon.net>
Guys,
Anybody else have this problem?
I pinned the motor mount onto the firewall today. With the top 2 motor
mount holes up flush against the firewall, the bottom 2 outboard holes are
about a 3/16 of an inch from the firewall. This is because the 2 bottom
inboard mounting holes of the motor mount won't allow the 2 outboard mounts
to sit flush.
What did you guys do about it? Send it back? Make shims? Just pulled it
tight with the bolts? Reweld it?
I'm inclined to make shims. I don't want undue stress on the mount by
pulling it tight with the bolts.
Zack
--------
RV8 #80125
RV10 # 40512
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Isham Planetools for RV-10 kits |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "tomhanaway" <tomhanaway@adelphia.net>
I'm not trying to ignore the obvious but I am curious.
Most posters recommend either Avery or Cleveland for the RV-10 tool kit with certain
substitutions.
I'm interested in the Isham Planetools package. Their tools all seem to be namebrand.
One of the things that puzzles me is that they don't seem to be very straightforward
with the physical location of their business or how to contact them other
than the internet.
Can anyone comment on their experience with Isham Planetools??
Thanks in advance,
Tom Hanaway
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--> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net>
to close the week with a smile
do not archive
hugo 40456
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--> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net>
to close a week with a smile
A TRAVELER'S TIDING
"How was your flight?"
"Well, aeronautically it was a great success. Socially, it left quite a bit
to be desired."
-Noel Coward
hugo 40456
do not archive
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| Subject: | Isham Planetools for RV-10 kits |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
I ordered Isham's kit. It was complete, as advertised, but at the time
(last January-February) his method of marking for ease of inventory wasn't
too good.
Rob Wright
#392
Wing tips - can't wait to start on QB fuse!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tomhanaway
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 7:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Isham Planetools for RV-10 kits
--> RV10-List message posted by: "tomhanaway" <tomhanaway@adelphia.net>
I'm not trying to ignore the obvious but I am curious.
Most posters recommend either Avery or Cleveland for the RV-10 tool kit with
certain substitutions.
I'm interested in the Isham Planetools package. Their tools all seem to be
namebrand.
One of the things that puzzles me is that they don't seem to be very
straightforward with the physical location of their business or how to
contact them other than the internet.
Can anyone comment on their experience with Isham Planetools??
Thanks in advance,
Tom Hanaway
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63309#63309
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| Subject: | When to order QB wings & Fuselage |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
It's been sneaking up on me but I'm on page 8-8 and I've got some skins in some
ugly (but functional) cradles with a few clecos in them. I've been pretty religious
about 3 to 4 hours a day and plan to continue through Christmas. I arrived
at page 8-8 with about 120 hours of build time (I'm very stingy with calling
shop time build time, so that's pure fabrication hours). I've read John Jessen's
comments on what build time really is and I agree, but I need a little
friendly guessing from you pros.
Vans needs up to 4 months for QB wings & fus. Apparently you need to order both
at the same time if you want a QB - I guess they are matched? Anyway, I need
to plan some lead time so I'm not sitting in the garage with nothing to do. Also,
I've got a little twist - the "CFO" is taking me on a two month cruise Jan
9 thru Mar 9th. Bad timing for the arrival of a big QB kit. Also, two months
of dead time. Here are my decision points:
Should I order a QB set right now?
If it doesn't come before Jan 7th, can I delay it to a set date such as March?
If I don't actually get it until after Mar 9th, would I be better off (and $10k
richer) getting the slow build wings ASAP?
The "CFO" has plans for me in May & June.
My goal is to be ready for some serious fire wall forward buying at Oshkosh next
summer. If I finish the empennage before Thanksgiving, would I be better off
getting the slow build and ending up in the same place (hopefully)? A lot of
advice would be appreciated.
John
--------
#40572 Empennage HS
N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Isham Planetools for RV-10 kits |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marc" <marchudson@comcast.net>
Tom
I purchased from Planetools and was very pleased. I had a problem with one
of the tools and Shaun sent me one out immediately without me even sending
the other one back. Very friendly and got a FREE pneumatic squeezer with my
order :)
Marc Hudson
www.marcandkathy.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tomhanaway
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 7:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Isham Planetools for RV-10 kits
--> RV10-List message posted by: "tomhanaway" <tomhanaway@adelphia.net>
I'm not trying to ignore the obvious but I am curious.
Most posters recommend either Avery or Cleveland for the RV-10 tool kit with
certain substitutions.
I'm interested in the Isham Planetools package. Their tools all seem to be
namebrand.
One of the things that puzzles me is that they don't seem to be very
straightforward with the physical location of their business or how to
contact them other than the internet.
Can anyone comment on their experience with Isham Planetools??
Thanks in advance,
Tom Hanaway
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63309#63309
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| Subject: | Re: Isham Planetools for RV-10 kits |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "DAVE LEIKAM" <DAVELEIKAM@WI.RR.COM>
I purchased my tools from Planetools as well and am satisfied. I purchased
a DRDT-2 and really like it although I never used the hammer method. Also
got the squeezer and love it. Good stuff, no problems. Very fast service.
Dave Leikam
Muskego, WI
#40496
N89DA
Elevators
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From: "Marc" <marchudson@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:04 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Isham Planetools for RV-10 kits
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marc" <marchudson@comcast.net>
>
> Tom
>
> I purchased from Planetools and was very pleased. I had a problem with
> one
> of the tools and Shaun sent me one out immediately without me even sending
> the other one back. Very friendly and got a FREE pneumatic squeezer with
> my
> order :)
>
> Marc Hudson
> www.marcandkathy.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tomhanaway
> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 7:50 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Isham Planetools for RV-10 kits
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "tomhanaway" <tomhanaway@adelphia.net>
>
> I'm not trying to ignore the obvious but I am curious.
> Most posters recommend either Avery or Cleveland for the RV-10 tool kit
> with
> certain substitutions.
> I'm interested in the Isham Planetools package. Their tools all seem to
> be
> namebrand.
> One of the things that puzzles me is that they don't seem to be very
> straightforward with the physical location of their business or how to
> contact them other than the internet.
>
> Can anyone comment on their experience with Isham Planetools??
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tom Hanaway
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63309#63309
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca>
Hi
Someone who I trust a great deal and who has a great deal of experience
doing major maintenance on heavy jets (my brother), suggested I look to the
yard shop (www.yardstore.com)for tools.
Their pricing seems quite a bit better than the Avery & Cleaveland.
According to my brother who orders clecos 10 gross at a time, he has never
had a problem with the tools he buys for his crews at the Yard Store.
If you take the tool kit list from Avery / Cleaveland and price it using the
Yard Store web site, you can save perhaps another 10%.
Does anyone else have an opinion?
Cheers
Les
RV Wannabe
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 8:05 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Isham Planetools for RV-10 kits
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marc" <marchudson@comcast.net>
Tom
I purchased from Planetools and was very pleased. I had a problem with one
of the tools and Shaun sent me one out immediately without me even sending
the other one back. Very friendly and got a FREE pneumatic squeezer with my
order :)
Marc Hudson
www.marcandkathy.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tomhanaway
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 7:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Isham Planetools for RV-10 kits
--> RV10-List message posted by: "tomhanaway" <tomhanaway@adelphia.net>
I'm not trying to ignore the obvious but I am curious.
Most posters recommend either Avery or Cleveland for the RV-10 tool kit with
certain substitutions.
I'm interested in the Isham Planetools package. Their tools all seem to be
namebrand.
One of the things that puzzles me is that they don't seem to be very
straightforward with the physical location of their business or how to
contact them other than the internet.
Can anyone comment on their experience with Isham Planetools??
Thanks in advance,
Tom Hanaway
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63309#63309
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| Subject: | Re: Isham Planetools for RV-10 kits) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Les,
Lots of builders use them as well, in the beginning when your feeling like you
don't know squat qbout the building process, Avery and Cleaveland supply a great
kit at a good price and they are builders as well. If you know exatly what
you want...shop around, the Yardstore has a good reputation and I have bought
a few things there with no problems. If you want a no brainer tool package that
is high quaility at a fair, good price, pick a kit from either Avery or Cleaveland,
you won't go wrong. Their support is very good and they understand the
RV building process, most consider them an upstanding memebr of the RV family
as do I. There are several others out there with "smae or better" pricing that
fall into the you get what you pay for catagory...I have a few for sale if you
interested, used once, just like new...for sale like I bought em...cheap.
Rick S.
40185
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-----Original Message-----
>From: Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca>
>Sent: Sep 22, 2006 8:46 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: The Yard Store (Was RV10-List: Isham Planetools for RV-10 kits)
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca>
>
>Hi
>
>Someone who I trust a great deal and who has a great deal of experience
>doing major maintenance on heavy jets (my brother), suggested I look to the
>yard shop (www.yardstore.com)for tools.
>
>Their pricing seems quite a bit better than the Avery & Cleaveland.
>According to my brother who orders clecos 10 gross at a time, he has never
>had a problem with the tools he buys for his crews at the Yard Store.
>
>If you take the tool kit list from Avery / Cleaveland and price it using the
>Yard Store web site, you can save perhaps another 10%.
>
>Does anyone else have an opinion?
>
>Cheers
>
>Les
>RV Wannabe
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc
>Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 8:05 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Isham Planetools for RV-10 kits
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marc" <marchudson@comcast.net>
>
>Tom
>
>I purchased from Planetools and was very pleased. I had a problem with one
>of the tools and Shaun sent me one out immediately without me even sending
>the other one back. Very friendly and got a FREE pneumatic squeezer with my
>order :)
>
>Marc Hudson
>www.marcandkathy.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tomhanaway
>Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 7:50 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Isham Planetools for RV-10 kits
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "tomhanaway" <tomhanaway@adelphia.net>
>
>I'm not trying to ignore the obvious but I am curious.
>Most posters recommend either Avery or Cleveland for the RV-10 tool kit with
>certain substitutions.
>I'm interested in the Isham Planetools package. Their tools all seem to be
>namebrand.
>One of the things that puzzles me is that they don't seem to be very
>straightforward with the physical location of their business or how to
>contact them other than the internet.
>
>Can anyone comment on their experience with Isham Planetools??
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Tom Hanaway
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63309#63309
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: When to order QB wings & Fuselage |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Ahhh Grasshopper....have heard same words from many who have travelled the similar
path. Here are a couple of pebbles for you to chew on.
The Wing Spars and Center spar are matched, the both come with the wings on the
slow build, if you go QB wings/fuse the center is sent off to Bonanza (P.I) for
mating to the QB fuse.
The best laid plans......I refer to Russ Daves and Scott Schmidt...I know Russ,
never met Scott but both made serious commitments to complete for OSH this year...Russ
flew off his 40 during the week of OSH. Last post on Scott's site had
him just finishing up a BEAUTIFUL RV-10. The paint/panel/engine, everything
looks great. Neither made their goal but not for a lack of planning or effort...sometimes
it just don't work out.
At this early stage, I would place your order for what you want to do...QB? standard?
what do YOU want then let the chips fall and build it when you can, you
will take more time going slow build especially the wings, the fuselage was fun
to build, wings kinda boring. But don't let a schedule bit ya in the kester.
FWIW I didn't see a a whole lot of specials at Airventure 2006 as in past years.
So waiting for that may just hold you back longer. Best purchase advice? Get
your engine before the first of the year and avoid the price hike. Pay for your
kits before the new year hike as well. That will save you 4 or 5k all by itself.
Of course I know of a grwat master who will input some additional whirlwind or
turbulant words of advice.
Rick S.
40185
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-----Original Message-----
>From: johngoodman <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Sep 22, 2006 6:51 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: When to order QB wings & Fuselage
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
>
>It's been sneaking up on me but I'm on page 8-8 and I've got some skins in some
ugly (but functional) cradles with a few clecos in them. I've been pretty religious
about 3 to 4 hours a day and plan to continue through Christmas. I arrived
at page 8-8 with about 120 hours of build time (I'm very stingy with calling
shop time build time, so that's pure fabrication hours). I've read John Jessen's
comments on what build time really is and I agree, but I need a little
friendly guessing from you pros.
>Vans needs up to 4 months for QB wings & fus. Apparently you need to order both
at the same time if you want a QB - I guess they are matched? Anyway, I need
to plan some lead time so I'm not sitting in the garage with nothing to do. Also,
I've got a little twist - the "CFO" is taking me on a two month cruise Jan
9 thru Mar 9th. Bad timing for the arrival of a big QB kit. Also, two months
of dead time. Here are my decision points:
>
> Should I order a QB set right now?
> If it doesn't come before Jan 7th, can I delay it to a set date such as March?
> If I don't actually get it until after Mar 9th, would I be better off (and $10k
richer) getting the slow build wings ASAP?
> The "CFO" has plans for me in May & June.
>
>My goal is to be ready for some serious fire wall forward buying at Oshkosh next
summer. If I finish the empennage before Thanksgiving, would I be better off
getting the slow build and ending up in the same place (hopefully)? A lot of
advice would be appreciated.
>John
>
>--------
>#40572 Empennage HS
>N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Great Articles few copies |
John:
Thanks for the comments. Let's hope this creates a "run" on the
October issue.
I assume the comment about sheetmetal babble has to do with Dan's
metal-skills series. While I accept that you might not have
appreciated it, that series has been hugely popular among our
readers. We've received more kudos on that than on the rest of the
magazine's contents combined.
Glad, also, that you like Walter's piece for us. We've got more
coming from him.
--Marc
>
> Back to the magazine. I have been a little frustrated lately after
> renewing my subscription for another 3 years to see all the
> disingenuous text on Sheetmetal babble for the last few months and
> the dwindling number of pages to turn. Enter this issue. A bright
> fresh start.
>
> It is available on newsstands such as Barnes and Noble or Borders
> with about 3 copies per store. It was like a recap on every single
> issue on the RV-10 site this week. There is a great article on the
> aircraft and the factory owner (rumored to have led to all the
> sparks against the Epic LT that led to and what created the 51%
> taskforce study). It=92s Ron Lueck=92s ' and his Colossal 650hp
> turbine CompAir, this is his chance to blow his horn while the
> sparks fly behind the closed door/smoke filled room. There is an
> excellent letter to the editor called =93Wired for Safety=94 on
> previous incomplete reporting of proper safety wiring techniques.
> Most builders would just gloss this side note away. Another
> detailed article by editor, Marc Cook on seeking the perfect Panel
> construction. He might have excused himself and posted Tim=92s or
> Deem=92s journey for us guys. There is a remarkable article on
> Detonation and Pre-ignition by none other that the source of
> definitive engine research - GAMI and APS instructor Walter
> Atkinson. The Hand Grenade on the header should get your
> attention. There are two great articles on Oil Cooler Basics and
> Anatomy of a Vernatherm by new reporter, Norm Ellis. There is even
> a product review of the DRDT-2 dimpler for lurkers selecting tools.
> Guess I must be a Gearhead.
>
> This is one copy you should get before the newsstands are stripped
> bare. If you can=92t find a copy, let me know which article you want
> to read and I will PDF you the pages. They won=92t last the weekend
> on the newsstand. Enjoy the read.
>
> Turbanator
>
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| Subject: | Re: Great Articles few copies |
Sorry, one more comment.
I don't know what you're on about regarding the dwindling number of
pages. We've been locked at the same book size for many years. If you
think we're smaller now than, say, in 2004, it's a trick of light.
Overall, our advertising is up very slightly, but I'd be really
surprised if we had even one fewer page per issue of editorial than a
year ago.
--Marc
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>
> Back to the magazine. I have been a little frustrated lately after
> renewing my subscription for another 3 years to see all the
> disingenuous text on Sheetmetal babble for the last few months and
> the dwindling number of pages to turn. Enter this issue. A bright
> fresh start.
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| Subject: | Great Articles few copies |
Marc - Your right on the page content. I just grabbed one out of my
vast pile - February 2004 and it was the same 80 pages. Must be my old
age playing tricks on me. I did fail to plug Jim Weirs exceptional
article "How Hot are we?" on building a temperature indicator to help
with the upper and lower cowl airflow pattern solution. And no one
should pass on those $2.99 digital multimeters he mentioned. I stand by
the personal opinion that this was the finest issue since the article on
Panel Design years ago. I was tongue in check on your Sportsman
article. I found it well balanced, a valuable insight and a solid
baseline for other builders entering the journey with panels. Know the
mission.
One aircraft does not make anyone an expert builder, but I see where
many love Dan's style and brashness. Unfortunately many will miss
scores of valuable tricks and techniques which should be exactly the
kernels of wisdom found upon digging into well researched and written
articles. It should be taken no more seriously than an entry primer and
I don't purport to be able to communicate near as well on so important a
skill set. I am humbled every night by the guys who do walk the walk.
A fair and balanced disclaimer would be to support and direct passionate
students to seek first hand tutorial experience from other pros. The
late Tony Bingeles books and Kent White Videos comes to mind and these
live into eternity. Diversity of instruction builds a stronger gene
pool.
For anyone who cares, this October is a don't miss issue. It justified
my three year commitment.
--John
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc Cook
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Great Articles few copies
Sorry, one more comment.
I don't know what you're on about regarding the dwindling number of
pages. We've been locked at the same book size for many years. If you
think we're smaller now than, say, in 2004, it's a trick of light.
Overall, our advertising is up very slightly, but I'd be really
surprised if we had even one fewer page per issue of editorial than a
year ago.
--Marc
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