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1. 02:51 AM - Re: GRT EFIS (Link McGarity)
2. 05:47 AM - Re: GRT EFIS (David McNeill)
3. 05:54 AM - Re: Ray Allen Trim Servo (Marc)
4. 06:02 AM - Re: GRT EFIS (Keith Bradford)
5. 06:33 AM - Re: GRT EFIS (John W. Cox)
6. 06:42 AM - Re: GRT EFIS (Lockamy, Jack L)
7. 07:54 AM - Re: Ray Allen Trim Servo (Vern W. Smith)
8. 08:12 AM - Re: GRT EFIS (John Gonzalez)
9. 08:51 AM - Re: elevator control horn drilling (John Gonzalez)
10. 01:43 PM - True Flight/ Truemap software (David McNeill)
11. 02:27 PM - Re: True Flight/ Truemap software (Jesse Saint)
12. 02:27 PM - Re: True Flight/ Truemap software (Jesse Saint)
13. 02:36 PM - Re: True Flight/ Truemap software (Bobby J. Hughes)
14. 04:16 PM - Re: Ray Allen Trim Servo (Jack Sargeant)
15. 05:54 PM - cowl louvers (Wayne Edgerton)
16. 06:11 PM - New Service Bulletins (bcondrey)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Link McGarity <wv4i@bellsouth.net>
Part 43 does not apply to experimental aircraft. Please see FAR 43.1(b).
www.EAA.org has some excellent Q&A re owner/3rd party performed
maintenance, etc., who can do what, etc..
Pitot static, xpdr, mode C checks re flights under IFR or otherwise,
i.e. where these systems are used as applicable. See FAR 91.411, 91.413,
et al. These sections are applicable whether aircraft is experimental or
not.
Link Mcgarity
#40622
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
Try and sell that to the FAA. I suppose that if the experimental aircraft
wants to stay out of controlled airspace (Class A,B,C.D, airways, etc.) ,
then you can fly IFR/VFR in uncontrolled airspace (mostly below 800 AGL and
outside ABCD, etc) without a static check and transponder check. It is true
that the inspections and authorizations of Part 43 do not apply to
experimental but you will comparable limitations defined in your operating
limitations.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Link McGarity" <wv4i@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: GRT EFIS
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Link McGarity <wv4i@bellsouth.net>
>
> Part 43 does not apply to experimental aircraft. Please see FAR 43.1(b).
>
> www.EAA.org has some excellent Q&A re owner/3rd party performed
> maintenance, etc., who can do what, etc..
>
> Pitot static, xpdr, mode C checks re flights under IFR or otherwise, i.e.
> where these systems are used as applicable. See FAR 91.411, 91.413, et al.
> These sections are applicable whether aircraft is experimental or not.
>
> Link Mcgarity
> #40622
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Ray Allen Trim Servo |
Thanks to everyone that replied. I got some really good ideas.
Appreciate the help.
Marc
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ray Allen Trim Servo
Marc,
I can't remember any issues with the wire bend, but I got the MAC 5-wire
servo wire from Aircraft Spruce for a little cheaper:
MAC SERVO WIRE 5 WIRES 20 FT
11-11550
$16.20
MAC SERVO WIRE 5 WIRES 25 FT
11-11549
$20.25
MAC SERVO WIRE 5 WIRES 50 FT
11-11548
$40.50
Marcus
Do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 9:44 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Ray Allen Trim Servo
Was wondering if anyone else had this problem or not?
Before I mount the elevator trim servo bracket with the Ray Allen trim
servo, I wanted to
think about the wiring. The wires make a real sharp bend due to the
closeness of the mounting bracket.
See attached picture. Did anyone cut out a half circle in the bracket or
just bend the wires and
cover with protective material?
Also, what wire did you guys use to hook up the servo?
I was thinking of ordering the WC2 5 wire Teflon Installation Cable from Ray
Allen
at $1.10 per foot.
Thanks for the input
Marc Hudson
#560
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David,
I recently decided against the RV-10 as the plane I'm going to build.
I'm trying to figure out how to get off of the automatic message board.
Could you help me out? BTW, I'm going with the RV-7 instead.
Thanks,
Keith
On 9/27/06, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
>
> Try and sell that to the FAA. I suppose that if the experimental aircraft
> wants to stay out of controlled airspace (Class A,B,C.D, airways, etc.) ,
> then you can fly IFR/VFR in uncontrolled airspace (mostly below 800 AGL
> and
> outside ABCD, etc) without a static check and transponder check. It is
> true
> that the inspections and authorizations of Part 43 do not apply to
> experimental but you will comparable limitations defined in your operating
> limitations.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Link McGarity" <wv4i@bellsouth.net>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 2:50 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: GRT EFIS
>
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Link McGarity <wv4i@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > Part 43 does not apply to experimental aircraft. Please see FAR 43.1(b).
> >
> > www.EAA.org has some excellent Q&A re owner/3rd party performed
> > maintenance, etc., who can do what, etc..
> >
> > Pitot static, xpdr, mode C checks re flights under IFR or otherwise, i.e
> .
> > where these systems are used as applicable. See FAR 91.411, 91.413, et
> al.
> > These sections are applicable whether aircraft is experimental or not.
> >
> > Link Mcgarity
> > #40622
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Keith
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Although portions apply specifically to Certificated (TC) Aircraft, you
are mistaken to believe that none of the FAR 43 applies to Owner Built
and Maintained Aircraft. Knowledge to this error is most important in
building and operating a safe aircraft. To operate otherwise gives a
false perception to conscientious builders.
You might do some additional research on the subject.
The wildest part of the Wild West is the similar attitude with foreign
built warbirds which are Certificated under Experimental Exhibition -
Warbird.
When completed, the RV-10 will be Certificated Experimental Amateur
Built, with an appropriately applied Airworthiness Certificate which is
valid only while and if you correctly maintain said aircraft.
John Cox
#40600
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Link McGarity
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: GRT EFIS
--> RV10-List message posted by: Link McGarity <wv4i@bellsouth.net>
Part 43 does not apply to experimental aircraft. Please see FAR 43.1(b).
www.EAA.org has some excellent Q&A re owner/3rd party performed
maintenance, etc., who can do what, etc..
Pitot static, xpdr, mode C checks re flights under IFR or otherwise,
i.e. where these systems are used as applicable. See FAR 91.411, 91.413,
et al. These sections are applicable whether aircraft is experimental or
not.
Link Mcgarity
#40622
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Look for another avionics shop technician that brings his portable test
equipment to YOU!
With portable test equipment, the technician only has to connect a line
to your pitot tube, a suction cup over static port(s), and a small
antenna near your transponder antenna to perform the certification test.
Last test cost me approx. $175 and was accomplished at MY hangar....
Jack Lockamy
RV-7A N174JL 240 hrs
Camarillo, CA
RV-10 lurker
www.jacklockamy.com
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| Subject: | Ray Allen Trim Servo |
Deems & Jesse,
Thanks for the idea of using the d-subs! Sure beats any can of worms I
was coming up with. I asked our computer guy about the RJ45 connectors
and yes they take a special crimping tool. As a side note, just had my
wings inspected by our Tech counselor and he is very pleased with them.
So just a few more steps and on to the fuselage:-)
Vern (#30324 fuselage almost)
Do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 11:43 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ray Allen Trim Servo
I used 9-pin d-subs with zip-ties through the holes in the two
connectors to hold them together and heat shrink from the back of the
connector onto the wires.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vern W. Smith
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 11:11 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ray Allen Trim Servo
Hi all,
Since we are talking about Allen trim servos, what kind of wire
connectors are people using to hook it to the wiring? Knife splice, butt
splice, AMP PIDG or what? I ask primarily because the aileron trim servo
is mounted on the left wing's inboard inspection cover. And it seems
like it would be nice to be able to "unplug it" in the future without
cutting the wires.
Vern Smith (#40324 wings)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Jack,
Who at Camarillo performed your test? Blue Sky Aviation there did my glider
and I think it was more than $175.00
I am due for re cert this cuming springs so your reply might be helpful.
John G. 409
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>From: "Lockamy, Jack L" <jack.lockamy@navy.mil>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: GRT EFIS Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:41:36 -0700
>
>Look for another avionics shop technician that brings his portable test
>equipment to YOU!
>
>With portable test equipment, the technician only has to connect a line to
>your pitot tube, a suction cup over static port(s), and a small antenna
>near your transponder antenna to perform the certification test.
>
>Last test cost me approx. $175 and was accomplished at MY hangar....
>
>Jack Lockamy
>RV-7A N174JL 240 hrs
>Camarillo, CA
>RV-10 lurker
>www.jacklockamy.com
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| Subject: | Re: elevator control horn drilling |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Hi Richard,
I just got off the phone with Van's and asked them to have the powers that
be review the building manual and make a comment about being careful to
respect the up/down dimension of where the drill will exit out of the second
hole on the second horn. Not jus tbe concerned about the most aft horn being
the designated guide.
I wanted to ask you the minimum edge distance as you stated, is that in
steel or in alluminum?
I discussed the issue of welding on a plate and and he did not think that
was necessary, there also could be a weakening of the original material at
the intersection of the new plate and the horn.
Just for discussion, (If I could not sleep because of this) he discussed an
alternate remedy, riveting another plate of similair material(4130 steel)
with say 6 rivets using the same hole, just to extend the gap between the
hole edge and the bottom edge of the horn.
As I have stated, I have 6/32 of material on the bottom edge from hole edge
to horn bottom edge, and when this is all torqued down with washers pinching
this together I wonder how exposed to stresses this 6/32" of material will
be. still need to review the connection, but alteast there are a couple of
alternative remedies other than rework
JOhn G. 409
>From: "Richard Garforth" <richard@hawk.flyer.co.uk>
>To: "\"John Gonzalez\"" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: elevator control horn drilling
>Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:40:50 +0100
>
>John,
>
>I fell in the same hole ! I finished up replacing both horns to get the
>required edge distance. Its a pain Vans don't tell you to look for the
>highest/lowest as well as the rearmost horn. My bet is there is a lot of
>RV10 horns out there with inadequate edge distance to the control rod hole.
>BTW the replacement horns were exactly the same and if I had followed the
>instructions the same thing would have happened again.The recommended
>minimum edge distance for a 3/16" hole is 3/8" (hole centre to edge). see
>AC43.
>Ironically the fore and aft edge distance is already increased by the small
>flange so its the vertical that's more important. If its any consolation
>changing the horn was easily achieved it just cost time and money.
>
>Regards
>
>Richard (UK builder 40368)
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| Subject: | True Flight/ Truemap software |
Just a PIREP on their product and service. I purchased the software, the
XM receiver and WAAS GPS in June 2006. At that I was told by their sales
representative that the Data Base updates for a year were included in
the price. I activated the XM weather in June so that I could test it on
my trip to OSH. XM weather bills quarterly. The software and XM weather
worked satisfactorily on the trip. Upon return home I decided to cancel
XM weather and did so prior to the new billing period for me. One month
later the next billing was on my credit card statement. Several phone
calls required to get that removed. About a week ago I received an email
that my data base update subscription was expiring and I needed to renew
for $199. I emailed them that I had been assured that the first years
subscription was included. Their representative replied that he had
never seen a years subscription included and would only allow 7 months.
I just looked at my credit card online and found a billing from them for
$199. I just emailed them demanding that they remove the unauthorized
charge and I also notified the credit card company.
As you can see its hard to discard this TAR BABY. Buyer beware.
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| Subject: | True Flight/ Truemap software |
We have had the opposite experience with True Flight. We initially
bought
the year of updates and we have been very happy. The XM weather is
between
you and XM, not True Flight. They just do you the favor of setting it
up
initially, although you can do that directly yourself also. The Flight
Cheetah is, hands down, the best depiction of in-flight weather we have
seen. The stability and navigation leaves a little to be desired, but
it
beats the 396 easily for display of weather information and situational
awareness. I don=92t necessarily think everybody should go out and buy
a
Cheetah, but our experience has been very good overall.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org
HYPERLINK "http://www.itecusa.org"www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 4:42 PM
Subject: RV10-List: True Flight/ Truemap software
Just a PIREP on their product and service. I purchased the software, the
XM
receiver and WAAS GPS in June 2006. At that I was told by their sales
representative that the Data Base updates for a year were included in
the
price. I activated the XM weather in June so that I could test it on my
trip
to OSH. XM weather bills quarterly. The software and XM weather worked
satisfactorily on the trip. Upon return home I decided to cancel XM
weather
and did so prior to the new billing period for me. One month later the
next
billing was on my credit card statement. Several phone calls required to
get
that removed. About a week ago I received an email that my data base
update
subscription was expiring and I needed to renew for $199. I emailed them
that I had been assured that the first years subscription was included.
Their representative replied that he had never seen a years subscription
included and would only allow 7 months. I just looked at my credit card
online and found a billing from them for $199. I just emailed them
demanding
that they remove the unauthorized charge and I also notified the credit
card
company.
As you can see its hard to discard this TAR BABY. Buyer beware.
"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"http://www.matronics.com/Na
vig
ator?RV10-List
"http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | True Flight/ Truemap software |
We have had the opposite experience with True Flight. We initially
bought
the year of updates and we have been very happy. The XM weather is
between
you and XM, not True Flight. They just do you the favor of setting it
up
initially, although you can do that directly yourself also. The Flight
Cheetah is, hands down, the best depiction of in-flight weather we have
seen. The stability and navigation leaves a little to be desired, but
it
beats the 396 easily for display of weather information and situational
awareness. I don=92t necessarily think everybody should go out and buy
a
Cheetah, but our experience has been very good overall.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org
HYPERLINK "http://www.itecusa.org"www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 4:42 PM
Subject: RV10-List: True Flight/ Truemap software
Just a PIREP on their product and service. I purchased the software, the
XM
receiver and WAAS GPS in June 2006. At that I was told by their sales
representative that the Data Base updates for a year were included in
the
price. I activated the XM weather in June so that I could test it on my
trip
to OSH. XM weather bills quarterly. The software and XM weather worked
satisfactorily on the trip. Upon return home I decided to cancel XM
weather
and did so prior to the new billing period for me. One month later the
next
billing was on my credit card statement. Several phone calls required to
get
that removed. About a week ago I received an email that my data base
update
subscription was expiring and I needed to renew for $199. I emailed them
that I had been assured that the first years subscription was included.
Their representative replied that he had never seen a years subscription
included and would only allow 7 months. I just looked at my credit card
online and found a billing from them for $199. I just emailed them
demanding
that they remove the unauthorized charge and I also notified the credit
card
company.
As you can see its hard to discard this TAR BABY. Buyer beware.
"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"http://www.matronics.com/Na
vig
ator?RV10-List
"http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com
"http://wiki.matronics.com"http://wiki.matronics.com
"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribut
ion
9/25/2006
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| Subject: | True Flight/ Truemap software |
David,
I have been looking at their product as well. Here is what there web
site says.
Database Subscription
The basic annual database subscription includes the following
updates:
$199.00
I used AnywhereMap for a couple of years and loved it. Anywheremap and
True flight are suppose to interface with the Zaon Traffic box so I have
been looking at both. I have not been flying since last December when I
sold my Skyhawk so have not needed to renew or purchase a new system.
True Flights flight level data derived from XM winds is a strong selling
point for their product. Did you get a chance to test that feature?
Bobby
40116
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 3:42 PM
Subject: RV10-List: True Flight/ Truemap software
Just a PIREP on their product and service. I purchased the software, the
XM receiver and WAAS GPS in June 2006. At that I was told by their sales
representative that the Data Base updates for a year were included in
the price. I activated the XM weather in June so that I could test it on
my trip to OSH. XM weather bills quarterly. The software and XM weather
worked satisfactorily on the trip. Upon return home I decided to cancel
XM weather and did so prior to the new billing period for me. One month
later the next billing was on my credit card statement. Several phone
calls required to get that removed. About a week ago I received an email
that my data base update subscription was expiring and I needed to renew
for $199. I emailed them that I had been assured that the first years
subscription was included. Their representative replied that he had
never seen a years subscription included and would only allow 7 months.
I just looked at my credit card online and found a billing from them for
$199. I just emailed them demanding that they remove the unauthorized
charge and I also notified the credit card company.
As you can see its hard to discard this TAR BABY. Buyer beware.
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| Subject: | Ray Allen Trim Servo |
FWIW: RJ45 crimpers which do an acceptable job are not very expensive.
(I've got a couple which are used for Cat 5 network wiring. BUT - In the
high vibration, variable temperature environment of an airplane I wouldn't
trust the RJ45s as far as I could through a Boeing 747! The d-subs, if
properly secured are good, and there are several others which are better,
but heavy and expensive.
Jack & Cecilia Sargeant
1127 Patricia St.
Wichita, KS 67208-2642
316/683-5268
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Vern W. Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 9:54 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ray Allen Trim Servo
Deems & Jesse,
Thanks for the idea of using the d-subs! Sure beats any can of worms I was
coming up with. I asked our computer guy about the RJ45 connectors and yes
they take a special crimping tool. As a side note, just had my wings
inspected by our Tech counselor and he is very pleased with them. So just a
few more steps and on to the fuselageJ
Vern (#30324 fuselage almost)
Do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 11:43 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ray Allen Trim Servo
I used 9-pin d-subs with zip-ties through the holes in the two connectors
to hold them together and heat shrink from the back of the connector onto
the wires.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vern W. Smith
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 11:11 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ray Allen Trim Servo
Hi all,
Since we are talking about Allen trim servos, what kind of wire connectors
are people using to hook it to the wiring? Knife splice, butt splice, AMP
PIDG or what? I ask primarily because the aileron trim servo is mounted on
the left wing's inboard inspection cover. And it seems like it would be nice
to be able to "unplug it" in the future without cutting the wires.
Vern Smith (#40324 wings)
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Flying RV10 people,
I'm in the process of finishing up my cowling and baffling. In looking
at the louvers that go on the bottom back of the cowl I have been
debating whether the additional louvers that Alex offers would be worth
installing. Have any of you flying had difficulty with engine heat
problem and do you feel that Alex's additional louvers would be worth
installing.
In case you haven't seen the louvers I'm talking about here is the web
address where you can see what they look like.
http://www.rvtraining.com/html/rv10_pics.html
Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
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| Subject: | New Service Bulletins |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Van's posted a Service Bulletin and a Service Letter on a couple of our favorite
subjects within the last few days.
http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb06-9-20.pdf
http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/U-1023.pdf
Bob
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