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1. 03:28 AM - Re: Backup Instrumentation (Russell Daves)
2. 03:41 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tanks (Russell Daves)
3. 09:01 AM - Fw: Emailing: PA050075.JPG backup instrumentation (David McNeill)
4. 09:22 AM - Not the best publicity... (Jeff Carpenter)
5. 10:40 AM - Re: Not the best publicity... (orchidman)
6. 11:04 AM - Avidyne vs. Garmin (Tim Olson)
7. 11:39 AM - Re: Avidyne vs. Garmin (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
8. 01:06 PM - Re: Re: Not the best publicity... (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
9. 04:45 PM - Re: rear seat shoulder harness attach, (John Gonzalez)
10. 04:47 PM - Re: rear seat shoulder harness attach, (John Gonzalez)
11. 10:44 PM - Running the elevator trim servo (John Gonzalez)
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| Subject: | Re: Backup Instrumentation |
I went with the GRT Duel Horizon I as the primary and backup with the
GRT Sport which has it's own AHRS. In addition I installed an SD-8
engine driven alternator with a separate alternator switch and SD-8
alternator switch as a backup as well.
Russ Daves
N710RV Flying
See you at LOE 2006
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From: Marcus Cooper
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 8:47 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Backup Instrumentation
FWIW, I opted for the dual GRT EFIS (one AHRS) and also a Dynon with
the internal battery (good for 2 hours). That way if there's a total
electrical failure, failure of either EFIS computer or display there's
still something working with all attitude, heading, airspeed and
altitude info.
Marcus
40286
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 8:07 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Backup Instrumentation
I agree that back up instrumentation is a MUST. I just wanted to say
that my Grand Rapid units have performed perfect for 80+ hours. There
have been no performance issues. I do have issues with menus and some
functions but nothing on it's reliability.
Depending on the kind of flying you do, GRT might be a good system for
you.
Customer service is the best and my units arrived couple of weeks
early.
Do not archive.
Rob Kermanj
On Oct 3, 2006, at 9:58 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
So with pretty much every EFIS we've now heard that there's a problem
of one sort of another. For those who are planning an EFIS, even
a reliable and expensive one, don't forget to put backup gauges in
for the critical stuff. I've seen a few EFIS-only panels already,
and I can't help but think there's something to be said for
non-electric, or at least self contained backups.
Check out this story on a G1000.
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/nwpilot's_tranatlantic_flight.htm
And I got a copy of this service alert from Avidyne.
http://www.myrv10.com/files/avidyne/SA-05-001.pdf
You'll see that even they now specify backup instruments after
having issues with their systems.
So I haven't heard of an EFIS yet that doesn't have at least some
issue. Dynon's were previously famous for losing attitude when
the system loses airspeed. BMA has had all sorts of things.
Chelton has had the Crossbow 425 stuff. OP tech has had some
interesting issues. So plan your panels accordingly....and
remember these things are programmed by humans....hopefully not
the same ones who wrote Windows 95. :)
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Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Thanks to Rene and Rob for agreeing with me. One thing I forgot to tell
you about the pop rivets, on my QB wings two of the ribs were installed
backwards which caused much of the problems in having to go with about a
dozen pop rivets on each bottom skin. The two ribs were installed with
facing into the center instead of facing out from the center. Try
bucking all of those even with two people!!
For all you purists, yes I know I could have drilled out both ribs and
reinstalled them in their proper place but since it was not a structural
issue I just used metal glaze to fill the pop rivet holes on the bottom
skin before painting.
Being one of the first set of deliveries of the QB wings and fuselage
from across the water resulted in a number of things not being perfect
because of the learning curve both at Van's and in the Philippines.
Do I regret it? Not on your life.
As so many before me have said, don't worry over the little stuff, just
build it, after painting only you will know every little screw up you
made.
Russ Daves
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----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Wright
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 10:13 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Fuel tanks
I agree with Russ, but then I riveted and bucked every one of them
myself on my bottom skins, no pop rivets. The reason I agree with Russ
is #1 the experience I now have :], and #2 the amount of bondo I'll have
to use during paint prep to cover the dings and dents that I put in the
skins.
Rob Wright
#392
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Daves
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 4:45 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Fuel tanks
I disagree. A person to either help you buck or rivet will make the
bottom skins a lot easier. If you have the wing on an upright rack even
a third person to stand behind the wing to steady it while the bottom
skin is being riveted is also helpful. There will be a bunch of rivets
that you will probably want to set with pop rivets as well simply
because even with another person bucking they won't be able to reach far
enough through the access panel holes to buck every rivet.
Russ Daves
N710RV Flying
See you at LOE 10/13/06
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| Subject: | Fw: Emailing: PA050075.JPG backup instrumentation |
Just installed a GRT Sport in the Glastar. picture included. The 10 is a
dual battery, dual buss, single alternator. Instrumentation is dual
Cheltons (gadahrs), Digiflite autopilot (internal gyros) and TT 2,25"
ADI (if they build it). Three ways to fly the aircraft in IMC.
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 8:53 AM
Subject: Emailing: PA050075.JPG
The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link
attachments:
PA050075.JPG
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| Subject: | Not the best publicity... |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
http://www.tulsaworld.com/NewsStory.asp?ID=061006_Ne_A1_Inhof10315
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| Subject: | Re: Not the best publicity... |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "orchidman" <gary@wingscc.com>
True, however he is probably the best supporter we have in Congress and attends
Oshkosh evey year. I think this was the RV he flew to Oshkosh this year.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=66212#66212
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| Subject: | Avidyne vs. Garmin |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Was scrounging the net for some info today and fell
into this article. For the high-end EFIS shoppers
it might be a good read.
http://philip.greenspun.com/flying/avidyne-versus-garmin
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Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Avidyne vs. Garmin |
Tim having a few more hours than Mr Greenspun in the G 1000 system, one of
his comments he lists as a negative on the G 1000 system concerns
winds/direction while on an ILS...saying that this information is only on the
MFD...while
that's true one can do a thrumbnail insert in the PDF which apparently with
his only 3.4 hours of time he did not read this or set this feature up. The
MFD thumbnail sits to the left of the EHSI and while probably not as
convenient as having an overlay "white" line it does give you information in front
of
you.
The G 1000 system I fly has a King Auto pilot which I'm sure is not as
convenient as an integrated auto pilot such as the STec 55 system...FYI.
Patrick
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| Subject: | Re: Not the best publicity... |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Right, and he had it professionally built for him...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Not the best publicity...
--> RV10-List message posted by: "orchidman" <gary@wingscc.com>
True, however he is probably the best supporter we have in Congress and
attends Oshkosh evey year. I think this was the RV he flew to Oshkosh
this year.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=66212#66212
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| Subject: | Re: rear seat shoulder harness attach, |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
I've placed the anchors on the longerons simply because that is what they
told us to do. Also, I think this is a better location because in a forward
inpact crash, the body will be thrown forward and the belts will be the in
the truest opposite direction coming from the longerons.
Thanks for the comments on the web site. I am no where near working on the
cabin top so unless someone knows it chemical makeup, I will ask Van's
later.
John G. 409
>From: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: rear seat shoulder harness attach,
>Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:53:19 -0400
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
>
>John,
> Thanks for your reply regarding composites. Truly beautiful work
>displayed on your website. Now to the original question. Are you going to
>use the longeron attach or the cabin cover for rear seat shoulder harness?
>
>John Hasbrouck DDS
>#40264
>
>
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| Subject: | rear seat shoulder harness attach, |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Happily maried with child and I did build much of this house myself. I am a
frustrated Dentist!!!!! The mouth is just too confining.
Thanks,
John G.
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>From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: rear seat shoulder harness attach, Date: Thu, 5 Oct
>2006 18:14:01 -0500
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
><rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
>John, beautiful work! And seriously, is that your place and view! Man
>I should have been a dentist..... or single. ;-)
>
>Michael
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:14 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: rear seat shoulder harness attach,
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez"
>--> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
>John,
>
>You are correct, dentist don't mix their own composite except for
>bonding porcelain to tooth structure, but then again most of the time
>the assistant does the mix. We do however use flowables in tight spots
>and corners(low filled resin) and higher density stuff in the other
>areas. Having worked on both the micro scale(Dental) and the macro
>scale, molds and planes, I did have to learn composite basics and in
>both fields and the techniques are interchangable. If one is a dentist
>and argues this point, I would have to say they are not a very good
>dentist or they just don't do composite dentistry.
>
>Hopefully being a good dentist will keep my airplane from breaking apart
>and make it fly straight with as little power as posible.
>
>For resume' see
>
>http://johngonzalezdds.com/sculpting/sculpting.html look at full
>molded
>fiberglass models, big models! Yah the're models, but I am pretty proud
>of them.
>
>Knowing what I know I witnessed the most rediculous demonstration of
>builder assist at Lancair on their intro video they send out.
>
>At the assist center they are laminating in the main wing spar to the
>wing skin, basically closing up the wing and they show a man walking
>over the top of the wing to push the skin down onto the spar thus
>pushing down on the epoxy between the two structures. Now knowing what
>I know, both from dentistry and building models, once the weight is
>removed(the man walking
>away) the epoxy mix under the weight would have squezzed out from the
>gap and will not get sucked back under the skin to fill back in the gap
>between skin and spar, there is flex in the skin under that tremendoud
>weight where the man was standing. Correct application would be to put
>the load on the entire length of the wing skin at nearly the same time
>and leave it there throughout cure.
>
>It may seem anal, but this is about as important as it gets in my mind.
>
>JOhn G.
>
>
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| Subject: | Running the elevator trim servo |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
The plans call for running the elevator trim servo through it full range of
motion so that the cables can be adjusted correctly.
How does one run the servo?
Thanks ahead of time.
John G. 409
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