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1. 12:32 PM - E-Drill Bushing location (jdalton77@comcast.net)
2. 02:08 PM - Re: E-Drill Bushing location (Jim Beyer)
3. 02:23 PM - Re: Weldment part (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com)
4. 03:29 PM - Re: Re: Weldment part (Rob Hunter)
5. 03:30 PM - Re: Re: Weldment part (Les Kearney)
6. 04:35 PM - Re: 296 (John Ackerman)
7. 05:17 PM - Re: 296 (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
8. 05:37 PM - Re: engines (johngoodman)
9. 05:48 PM - Re: Re: Weldment part (Jim Beyer)
10. 05:58 PM - Re: Re: engines (Marcus Cooper)
11. 06:17 PM - Scotts great Hi Res pics of his first flight (John W. Cox)
12. 06:54 PM - Re: E-Drill Bushing location (jdalton77)
13. 06:54 PM - Re: E-Drill Bushing location (jdalton77)
14. 07:39 PM - Re: Re: Weldment part (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com)
15. 07:40 PM - Re: Re: engines (Robin Marks)
16. 11:25 PM - Re: Re: engines (John W. Cox)
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| Subject: | E-Drill Bushing location |
I'm assembling the elevator/HS and I can't seem to find anything in the parts that
resembles the "E-Drill Bushing" for drilling the elevator horns. It's describes
as a steel 1/4" diameter 1" long tube.
Did anyone else have trouble finding this?
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: E-Drill Bushing location |
Jeff,
Mine is in bag # 1001 along with the two WD-415, Trim Cable Anchors.
Which reminds me....I need to get the new WD-415-1's from Van's for $8...or
the milled ones from, uh, can't remember the web site's name now, for $38 --
decisions?
Hope that helps.
-Jim
On 10/15/06, jdalton77@comcast.net <jdalton77@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I'm assembling the elevator/HS and I can't seem to find anything in the
> parts that resembles the "E-Drill Bushing" for drilling the elevator horns.
> It's describes as a steel 1/4" diameter 1" long tube.
>
> Did anyone else have trouble finding this?
>
> Jeff
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weldment part |
In a message dated 10/15/06 5:10:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
fehdxl@gmail.com writes:
I need to get the new WD-415-1's from Van's for $8...or the milled ones
from, uh, can't remember the web site's name now, for $38 -- decisions?
Get the ones from Dave Czachorowski, DBA - Rivethead,
_rvsiverbullet@verizon.net_ (mailto:rvsiverbullet@verizon.net)
302-437-6087
I am not sure what VANs is selling now, but the ones in the KIT are pretty
weak. The ones i received from Dave are excellent workmanship. If you hold
the two parts side by side, you will wonder how they ever tried selling the
one with the kit. Make sure you are comparing apples to apples. I got the
weldment nuts, HS attach brackets and rudder stops in one package, call and ask
price.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Weldment part |
Here is the web site for the WD 415 by Dave Czachorowski.
http://www. <http://www.rivethead-aero.com/rv10l>
rivethead-aero.com/rv10l
Rob Hunter
Elevators
40432
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 4:
23 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Weldment part
In a message dated 10/15/06 5:10:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
fehdxl@gmail.com writes:
I need to get the new WD-415-1's from Van's for $8...or the milled ones
from, uh, can't remember the web site's name now, for $38 -- decisions?
Get the ones from Dave Czachorowski, DBA - Rivethead,
rvsiverbullet@verizon.net 302-437-6087
I am not sure what VANs is selling now, but the ones in the KIT are
pretty weak. The ones i received from Dave are excellent workmanship.
If you hold the two parts side by side, you will wonder how they ever
tried selling the one with the kit. Make sure you are comparing apples
to apples. I got the weldment nuts, HS attach brackets and rudder stops
in one package, call and ask price.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Weldment part |
All
I have just inventoried all my parts including sorting etc. In the
process I
came across the WD-415's from Van's. It looks like a couple of nuts on a
stainless square with a couple of welds. You can see between the welds
which
makes me wonder if it is going to last.
I have been to Rivethead's website (even before I took the kit plunge)
based
on comments that I have read in posts over the past three months. I
plan to
get Rivethead's part only because it looks like it will last. Should I
also
be purchasing his other RV10 products (i.e. brackets etc)? Are their
other
parts in the RV10 kit that I should be replacing with "aftermarket"
parts?
Inquiring minds need to know
Les Kearney
RV10 # 40643 - Awaiting tools
Do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 3:23 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Weldment part
In a message dated 10/15/06 5:10:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
fehdxl@gmail.com writes:
I need to get the new WD-415-1's from Van's for $8...or the milled ones
from, uh, can't remember the web site's name now, for $38 -- decisions?
Get the ones from Dave Czachorowski, DBA - Rivethead,
rvsiverbullet@verizon.net 302-437-6087
I am not sure what VANs is selling now, but the ones in the KIT are
pretty
weak. The ones i received from Dave are excellent workmanship. If you
hold
the two parts side by side, you will wonder how they ever tried selling
the
one with the kit. Make sure you are comparing apples to apples. I got
the
weldment nuts, HS attach brackets and rudder stops in one package, call
and
ask price.
Steve
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--> RV10-List message posted by: John Ackerman <johnag5b@cableone.net>
Try calling Joliet avionics - they may be willing to buy the 295. or
trade.
Good luck!
On Oct 13, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>>
>> I am rebuilding a panel for an old friend, I am using his Garmin 295
>> SL-40, GTX-327. Well the airgizmo panel mount I bought and have the
>> panel cut for fits the 296 so what can I do about traiding someone
>> across the board?
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In a message dated 10/15/06 7:36:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
johnag5b@cableone.net writes:
Try calling Joliet avionics
Do you mean JA and DPA?
P
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
This has been a good discussion. I have also considered smaller engines, but my
motivation has been more towards alternative fuels. I love the idea of a Turbo,
but that would probably mean 100LL. My concern is that 100LL may be a dying
product (can you still play the old VHS tapes of your kids growing up?).
Another advantage of a smaller, lighter engine is a larger alternator and maybe
an air conditioner compressor on the engine. Moving the batteries and ELT forward
could solve CG issues as well.
I am definitely listening to the guys who say a 6 runs smoother and I will probably
go for the 540, but there is no harm in looking.
John
[quote="LIKE2LOOP(at)aol.com"]In a message dated 10/14/2006 2:56:18 PM Eastern
Standard Time, ajhauter@yahoo.com writes:
> Has anybody (besides me) considered putting a 4 cylinder lyc (or derivative)
in
> the 10?
>
I am currently flying a Cessna 170 with a 6 cylinder Continental 0-300.
I would NEVER go back to a horizontally opposed 4 cylinder engine. SOOOOoooooo
much smoother. Less vibration and ultimately less stress on the internal
parts if you do the math as to how much horse power each cylinder has to put
out. If you want great economy, just throtle the IO-540 back to 50% power and
you will save tons on fuel and still go faster then most spam cans with dome
shaped rivets in the breeze. If you change the engine, you then have to redesign
the entire front end and deal with the W & B issues that are significant.
What is the value of trying to use a 4 cylinder engine? Less reserve
power, less performance???
Steve
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Stephen Blank #40499
766 SE River Lane
Port St. Lucie, FL 34983
772-475-5556 cell - evenings and weekends
> [b]
--------
#40572 Empennage HS
N711JG reserved
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=68055#68055
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| Subject: | Re: Weldment part |
Fellow builders,
Just to summarize...there are three generations of Van's WD-415's ...
v1: no aft weld (single weld across the front of the nut)
v2: one long weld across the front of the nut and a small tack weld on the
aft side of the nut
v3: full width welds on both sides of the nut (Also known as WD-415-1).
http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb06-9-20.pdf
Question for those who bought RivetHeadAero's version
http://www.rivethead-aero.com/rv10_005.htm ... it's all aluminum, milled
from a solid block, right Any concerns about switching from steel to
aluminum?
Thanks!
-Jim
40603
do not archive
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
John,
I couldn't agree more that looking is half the fun, and it's free!
However, here's some thought's on your comments about the lighter engine.
Adding the air conditioner compressor to an already somewhat anemic engine
could lead to disappointing performance. I have no clue what the actual
increase in load would be, but I know I can tell when the car's A/C kicks
in. As for the battery, there's not a whole lot of options to move the
battery forward, other than all the way to the firewall. It might work, but
there's limited real estate up there already and the move may be further
forward than you want.
Just some thoughts to kick around (or out the door ;) )
Marcus
Happy flying the IO-540 model.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 8:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: engines
--> RV10-List message posted by: "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
This has been a good discussion. I have also considered smaller engines, but
my motivation has been more towards alternative fuels. I love the idea of a
Turbo, but that would probably mean 100LL. My concern is that 100LL may be a
dying product (can you still play the old VHS tapes of your kids growing
up?).
Another advantage of a smaller, lighter engine is a larger alternator and
maybe an air conditioner compressor on the engine. Moving the batteries and
ELT forward could solve CG issues as well.
I am definitely listening to the guys who say a 6 runs smoother and I will
probably go for the 540, but there is no harm in looking.
John
[quote="LIKE2LOOP(at)aol.com"]In a message dated 10/14/2006 2:56:18 PM
Eastern Standard Time, ajhauter@yahoo.com writes:
> Has anybody (besides me) considered putting a 4 cylinder lyc (or
derivative) in
> the 10?
>
I am currently flying a Cessna 170 with a 6 cylinder Continental
0-300. I would NEVER go back to a horizontally opposed 4 cylinder engine.
SOOOOoooooo much smoother. Less vibration and ultimately less stress on
the internal parts if you do the math as to how much horse power each
cylinder has to put out. If you want great economy, just throtle the
IO-540 back to 50% power and you will save tons on fuel and still go faster
then most spam cans with dome shaped rivets in the breeze. If you change
the engine, you then have to redesign the entire front end and deal with
the W & B issues that are significant. What is the value of trying to use
a 4 cylinder engine? Less reserve power, less performance???
Steve
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Stephen Blank #40499
766 SE River Lane
Port St. Lucie, FL 34983
772-475-5556 cell - evenings and weekends
> [b]
--------
#40572 Empennage HS
N711JG reserved
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=68055#68055
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| Subject: | Scotts great Hi Res pics of his first flight |
Congratulations to both Ray and Scott on the great accomplishment of
N104XP. The pictures are just the ticket on a wet Sunday here on the
Wet Coast. Missed your trophy at OSH '06 but am optimistic that if you
make Copperstate '06 you guys will set the tone for the rest of the
winter.
John Cox
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| Subject: | Re: E-Drill Bushing location |
I have the ones from Dave at Rivethead-Aero.com.
I bought them before Vans came out with the new ones - Dave's are way
better than the new ones though - and he has several other small parts
that are better (and prefabricated by the way.) Buying the lot of them
saves me a couple of hours.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Beyer
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: E-Drill Bushing location
Jeff,
Mine is in bag # 1001 along with the two WD-415, Trim Cable Anchors.
Which reminds me....I need to get the new WD-415-1's from Van's for
$8...or the milled ones from, uh, can't remember the web site's name
now, for $38 -- decisions?
Hope that helps.
-Jim
On 10/15/06, jdalton77@comcast.net <jdalton77@comcast.net> wrote:
I'm assembling the elevator/HS and I can't seem to find anything in
the parts that resembles the "E-Drill Bushing" for drilling the elevator
horns. It's describes as a steel 1/4" diameter 1" long tube.
Did anyone else have trouble finding this?
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: E-Drill Bushing location |
Well, I never found it, but I had a piece of 1/4" OD copper pipe that,
after sanding the exterior on the belt sander for a second did the job
quite well.
----- Original Message -----
From: jdalton77@comcast.net
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 3:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: E-Drill Bushing location
I'm assembling the elevator/HS and I can't seem to find anything in
the parts that resembles the "E-Drill Bushing" for drilling the elevator
horns. It's describes as a steel 1/4" diameter 1" long tube.
Did anyone else have trouble finding this?
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Weldment part |
In a message dated 10/15/06 6:31:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
kearney@shaw.ca writes:
I plan to get Rivethead=99s part only because it looks like it will l
ast.
Should I also be purchasing his other RV10 products (i.e. brackets etc)?
Les. In a word YES. Quality and dont look back.
Steve
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John,
Some day you will want or need to sell your -10. That will be when
you find out how expensive "alternate" engines really cost. I am all for
the concept of different engine choices (and applaud all who try) but
one day you will have to convince a buyer to purchase your alternate
choice and regardless of how nice you built the rest of the plane you
should expect to shave $20-30K off a comparable plane while at the same
time limiting the total number of buyers to ~20% of the original pool of
prospects. (These numbers are HIGHLY scientific based on all recent -10
sales with alternate engines)
When considering the additional time & expense it may take to get
an alternate engine actually flying and that will far outweigh any
potential savings.
A note not covered on the recent discussion "RV7a v. Legacy FG v.
Glassair SII FT" not mentioned when comparing each model and their
respective traits is the significant increase in build time between the
Vans kits and the other choices. Everyone concedes that the other
choices are beautiful planes but I would prefer spending the extra 2000+
build hours actually flying.
Robin
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Robin, this is out of context but where did you pull your statement "~20% of the
original pool of prospects. (These numbers are HIGHLY scientific based on all
recent -10 sales with alternate engines)"?
I am not aware of one single flying alternate engine RV-10 except N210RV. That
is only an alternate to the Lycoming (being a Continental). No science used
in this conclusion. I'm baffled.
John Cox
________________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 7:40 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: engines
John,
Some day you will want or need to sell your -10. That will be when you find out
how expensive "alternate" engines really cost. I am all for the concept of different
engine choices (and applaud all who try) but one day you will have to
convince a buyer to purchase your alternate choice and regardless of how nice
you built the rest of the plane you should expect to shave $20-30K off a comparable
plane while at the same time limiting the total number of buyers to ~20%
of the original pool of prospects. (These numbers are HIGHLY scientific based
on all recent -10 sales with alternate engines)
When considering the additional time & expense it may take to get an alternate
engine actually flying and that will far outweigh any potential savings.
A note not covered on the recent discussion "RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII
FT" not mentioned when comparing each model and their respective traits is the
significant increase in build time between the Vans kits and the other choices.
Everyone concedes that the other choices are beautiful planes but I would
prefer spending the extra 2000+ build hours actually flying.
Robin
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