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1. 06:11 AM - Re: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool (Deems Davis)
2. 06:48 AM - Re: Re: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool ()
3. 07:19 AM - Re: Re: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
4. 07:25 AM - Re: Fuselage Conduit Support (Nikolaos Napoli)
5. 07:37 AM - Re: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool (Deems Davis)
6. 07:51 AM - Re: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool (John Gonzalez)
7. 09:27 AM - AOPA rebate program bites the dust - "how to" until year end 2006 (Jay Brinkmeyer)
8. 09:33 AM - Re: AOPA rebate program bites the dust - "how to" until year end 2... (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
9. 10:12 AM - Re: Fuselage Conduit Support (jsmcgrew@aol.com)
10. 10:17 AM - Re: Fuselage Conduit Support (linn Walters)
11. 10:52 AM - Re: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool (Bill DeRouchey)
12. 10:58 AM - Re: Re: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool ()
13. 11:01 AM - Re: AOPA rebate program bites the dust - "how to" until year end 2... (Dj Merrill)
14. 11:12 AM - Re: Fuselage Conduit Support (KiloPapa)
15. 11:20 AM - Re: AOPA rebate program bites the dust - "how to" until year end 2... (Dj Merrill)
16. 01:17 PM - Re: Fuselage Conduit Support (Nikolaos Napoli)
17. 01:18 PM - Re: Fuselage Conduit Support (Nikolaos Napoli)
18. 01:21 PM - Re: AOPA rebate program bites the dust - "how to" until year end ... (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
19. 01:27 PM - Re: AOPA rebate program bites the dust - "how to" until year end ... (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
20. 01:51 PM - Flo-Scan (Nikolaos Napoli)
21. 02:27 PM - Re: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool (Deems Davis)
22. 02:27 PM - Re: Flo-Scan (LarryRosen@comcast.net)
23. 02:56 PM - Re: Flo-Scan (LarryRosen@comcast.net)
24. 03:04 PM - Re: Flo-Scan (David M.)
25. 03:18 PM - Re: AOPA rebate program bites the dust - "how to" until year end ... (Ed Godfrey)
26. 03:33 PM - Re: Flo-Scan (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
27. 03:40 PM - Re: Flo-Scan (David McNeill)
28. 04:11 PM - Aileron and Flap Rigging (JSMcGrew@aol.com)
29. 04:27 PM - Engine sensor wires in firewall (John Testement)
30. 04:30 PM - Re: Vans wiring kit - mods for fuel injection (Don)
31. 04:42 PM - Re: Engine sensor wires in firewall (JSMcGrew@aol.com)
32. 04:45 PM - Re: Engine sensor wires in firewall (JSMcGrew@aol.com)
33. 05:06 PM - Re: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool (Kelly McMullen)
34. 05:52 PM - Re: Engine sensor wires in firewall (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
35. 06:22 PM - Re: Flo-Scan (RobHickman@aol.com)
36. 07:51 PM - Re: Flo-Scan (Rob Wright)
37. 08:40 PM - Re: Flo-Scan (Deems Davis)
38. 08:59 PM - Re: Flo-Scan (Rob Wright)
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| Subject: | Re: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Unfortunately the fiberglass work doesn't get any better as you
progress, the wing tips are not symmetric, and the cabin cover looks
like it was chiseled from a rock. A Special Thanks to Gary Specketer who
provided the tip on UV Smooth Prime, I'm working on the Cabin Cover
interior and just had an opportunity to use it yesterday for the 1st
time. It's GREAT stuff, applies easy with a sprayer, dries quickly,
sands even easier, and cleans up with water!
THANKS Gary
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
John Gonzalez wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
> Nice to see the Humor! Very wonderful.
>
> John Cox might be finished before me. My five year old daughter is
> growing up too fast and the hours in the shop pass bye just as fast too.
>
> Man that VS fiberglass fairing had a crappy shape to it. Poor tooling
> or pulled from the mold way too early. There is some unexpected
> weight addition in filler compound!
>
> JOhn G. 409 finishing up everything on the tail section, everything! I
> think?
>
> Do Not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
--> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net>
> Hi ,please can you share the name of the primer you mention for the fiberglass.
Thanks,Hugo
do not archive
> From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> Date: 2006/10/26 Thu AM 09:10:24 EDT
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> Unfortunately the fiberglass work doesn't get any better as you
> progress, the wing tips are not symmetric, and the cabin cover looks
> like it was chiseled from a rock. A Special Thanks to Gary Specketer who
> provided the tip on UV Smooth Prime, I'm working on the Cabin Cover
> interior and just had an opportunity to use it yesterday for the 1st
> time. It's GREAT stuff, applies easy with a sprayer, dries quickly,
> sands even easier, and cleans up with water!
>
> THANKS Gary
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
>
> John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
> >
> > Nice to see the Humor! Very wonderful.
> >
> > John Cox might be finished before me. My five year old daughter is
> > growing up too fast and the hours in the shop pass bye just as fast too.
> >
> > Man that VS fiberglass fairing had a crappy shape to it. Poor tooling
> > or pulled from the mold way too early. There is some unexpected
> > weight addition in filler compound!
> >
> > JOhn G. 409 finishing up everything on the tail section, everything! I
> > think?
> >
> > Do Not archive
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Hugo,
The name is actually UV Smooth Prime and it's made by Polyfiber. You
can find it from Spruce
<http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/09-28290.php>. It's been
around for a long time and is very popular with the fiberglass builders.
It's claim to fame is it's ability to kill pinholes in addition to
having a UV blocker.
Michael Sausen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gommone7@bellsouth.net
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: Re: RV10-List: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date
Pool
--> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net>
> Hi ,please can you share the name of the primer you mention for the
fiberglass.
Thanks,Hugo
do not archive
> From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> Date: 2006/10/26 Thu AM 09:10:24 EDT
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date
> Pool
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> Unfortunately the fiberglass work doesn't get any better as you
> progress, the wing tips are not symmetric, and the cabin cover looks
> like it was chiseled from a rock. A Special Thanks to Gary Specketer
> who provided the tip on UV Smooth Prime, I'm working on the Cabin
> Cover interior and just had an opportunity to use it yesterday for the
> 1st time. It's GREAT stuff, applies easy with a sprayer, dries
> quickly, sands even easier, and cleans up with water!
>
> THANKS Gary
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
>
> John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez"
> > --> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
> >
> > Nice to see the Humor! Very wonderful.
> >
> > John Cox might be finished before me. My five year old daughter is
> > growing up too fast and the hours in the shop pass bye just as fast
too.
> >
> > Man that VS fiberglass fairing had a crappy shape to it. Poor
> > tooling or pulled from the mold way too early. There is some
> > unexpected weight addition in filler compound!
> >
> > JOhn G. 409 finishing up everything on the tail section, everything!
> > I think?
> >
> > Do Not archive
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Conduit Support |
Hi Jim,=0A=0AI actually think the access panels are a great idea and I than
k everyone who responded to my initial quarry. If I use the same panels us
ed in the wing stall horn area its shouldn't be too much work as the pieces
are allready made. As far as the floor being structural I don't believe th
at it is. Its only supporting the weight of whatever baggage is placed in
it. The major loads are on the outer skins and the longerons. Those rivet
s that are used on the baggage floor are very weak and typically are not co
nsidered to be structural. Once the steel stem falls out of them all you a
re left with is a small hallow aluminum cyclinder.=0A=0AI am also thinking
of removing the conduit from the baggage area now as it won't be needed the
re any more. I am going with a recommendation that I got from a Pilot/ Mec
hanic friend that the fewer pieces of plastic in the plane the better as th
ere are fewer things that can emit fumes and smoke in case of fire. =0A
=0ANiko=0A40188=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "jsmcgrew
@aol.com" <jsmcgrew@aol.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesda
y, October 25, 2006 1:11:31 PM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Fuselage Conduit S
upport=0A=0A=0ARemovable floor panels would be very nice, but quite a bit o
f work. I'm interested in seeing how that turns out. The rear seat and bagg
age area panels are structural (thus the 1000's of pop rivets holding them
down), make sure you engineer your .025" composite panel and fasteners to h
andle the loads properly!=0A =0AJim=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom:
johnwcox@pacificnw.com=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, 25 Oct 2
006 10:37 AM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Fuselage Conduit Support=0A=0A=0AKno
wing the importance of inspecting wiring, that is a difficult task. For on
e, I will not be permanent riveting floor panels. I will use a 0.25=94 com
posite panel which is fastened into nut plates for ease of removal and insp
ection. I also see value in access to the instrument panel area. I will g
roup bundles and separate their runs so each has the ability to shed heat i
ndependent of a specific run. There are specific circuits which tend to cre
ate the largest percentage of heat issues. Each aircraft is unique. Tim di
d a great job posting his loads and analyzing this issue. I will never int
entionally load a wire circuit above 80% of its rated carry capacity. I wi
ll be using welding wire for the battery terminals, starter leads and heavy
intermittent amperage flows.=0A =0AThe good news is we don=92t run electri
cal wire through our fuel tanks intentionally. I will use only aviation rat
ed circuit breakers. No automotive (save a nickel) corner cutting. I have
already had an onboard fire on a 1978 Ford. Nuf learned.=0A =0AA separate
issue is grounding and twisted wire bundles to reduce avionic interference
. All of this is best covered elsewhere.=0A =0AJohn=0A =0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: o
wner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronic
s.com] On Behalf Of JSMcGrew@aol.com=0ASent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:21
PM=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Fuselage Condui
t Support=0A =0AAll valid points, John. =0A =0AI would like to point out th
at one of the challenges that I found as the RV-10 comes together is gettin
g the wire runs 100% done before I riveted those floor panels down permanen
tly and before skinning and installing the wings. Call it convenience if yo
u will, but I ended up doing 90% of my wire runs through the conduit long a
fter those areas were sealed up. I certainly didn't make that decision ligh
tly. I realize that I deviated from a perfect world to make things come tog
ether.=0A =0AAre you going to stay away from conduit altogether? How do you
plan on inspecting the wires under the baggage floor area?=0A =0AJim=0A
=0A =0AIn a message dated 10/24/2006 10:19:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, j
ohnwcox@pacificnw.com writes:=0AJim, should we conclude that a heated wire
bundle can be located quicker in Van=92s black corrugated due to heat shrin
k. And conversely, your PEX will mask the heat increase till the wires fus
e? You were right that it is about heat. Should PEX be translucent? cause
overheated wire is insulated with a product so that there is a marked and
visible color change with excessive heat increase. Three distinct stages ju
st like skin burns. Tim has some good shots. I had forwarded him the same
presentation in Living Color. It is all about identification of an impendi
ng issue before reality sets in during flight. Otherwise the discussion mi
grates to inflight backup systems / vacuum gages, fire annunciation, fire s
uppression and software to identify the safest and quick route to the groun
d with a safe departure from the aircraft.=0A =0AAlways use the lightest ga
ge, the shortest run, the highest quality to meet the task and to inspect f
or impending potential problems. Wiring by its nature functions in a hosti
le environment.=0A =0AJohn=0ADo not Archive=0A=0A=0Aet=_blank>http://www.
matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List=0A://forums.matronics.com=0A/wiki.matroni
cs.com=0Alank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Al?redir
=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom%2Fnewaol" target="_blank">Check ree AOL M
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| Subject: | Re: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Here's a link:
http://www.polyfiber.com/uvsmooth/
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
gommone7@bellsouth.net wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net>
>
>
>
>
>>Hi ,please can you share the name of the primer you mention for the fiberglass.
>>
>>
>Thanks,Hugo
>do not archive
>
>
>>From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>>Date: 2006/10/26 Thu AM 09:10:24 EDT
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>>
>>Unfortunately the fiberglass work doesn't get any better as you
>>progress, the wing tips are not symmetric, and the cabin cover looks
>>like it was chiseled from a rock. A Special Thanks to Gary Specketer who
>>provided the tip on UV Smooth Prime, I'm working on the Cabin Cover
>>interior and just had an opportunity to use it yesterday for the 1st
>>time. It's GREAT stuff, applies easy with a sprayer, dries quickly,
>>sands even easier, and cleans up with water!
>>
>>THANKS Gary
>>
>>Deems Davis # 406
>>Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
>>http://deemsrv10.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>John Gonzalez wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>
>>>Nice to see the Humor! Very wonderful.
>>>
>>>John Cox might be finished before me. My five year old daughter is
>>>growing up too fast and the hours in the shop pass bye just as fast too.
>>>
>>>Man that VS fiberglass fairing had a crappy shape to it. Poor tooling
>>>or pulled from the mold way too early. There is some unexpected
>>>weight addition in filler compound!
>>>
>>>JOhn G. 409 finishing up everything on the tail section, everything! I
>>>think?
>>>
>>>Do Not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
I better purchase those fans for the shop as my shop is my subterainian
basement beneath my house. This is why I didn't build a fiberglass ship. I
don't want to end up with a beautiful airplane but a family member with
cancer.
Open all the window in the house and blow the air out of the shop, thus
pulling the air down into the shop out of the house. Lucky I am in
California!
John G.
Do Not Archive.
>From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool
>Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 06:10:24 -0700
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
>Unfortunately the fiberglass work doesn't get any better as you progress,
>the wing tips are not symmetric, and the cabin cover looks like it was
>chiseled from a rock. A Special Thanks to Gary Specketer who provided the
>tip on UV Smooth Prime, I'm working on the Cabin Cover interior and just
>had an opportunity to use it yesterday for the 1st time. It's GREAT stuff,
>applies easy with a sprayer, dries quickly, sands even easier, and cleans
>up with water!
>
>THANKS Gary
>
>Deems Davis # 406
>Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
>http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
>John Gonzalez wrote:
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>
>>Nice to see the Humor! Very wonderful.
>>
>>John Cox might be finished before me. My five year old daughter is
>>growing up too fast and the hours in the shop pass bye just as fast too.
>>
>>Man that VS fiberglass fairing had a crappy shape to it. Poor tooling or
>>pulled from the mold way too early. There is some unexpected weight
>>addition in filler compound!
>>
>>JOhn G. 409 finishing up everything on the tail section, everything! I
>>think?
>>
>>Do Not archive
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | AOPA rebate program bites the dust - "how to" until year end |
2006
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
I'm real sad that the 5% AOPA rebate is going away at year end 2006. If you are
currently taking advantage of this program, you may have noticed that
BankOfAmerica has recently taken over the MBNA website and whacked the "Request
Credit" link.
There's nothing on the website that explains what to do (think they want it to
just go away?), so I called and here is the deal:
Send a copy of your statement w/ qualified transactions marked via mail or fx
to:
FBO Rebate Program - MBNA America
PO Box 15063
Wilmington, DE 19850-50633
Fax: 866-267-2326
Regards,
Jay
__________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA rebate program bites the dust - "how to" until year |
end 2...
Sounds like a good reason to get rid of all those MBNA/BofA credit cards
after the end of the year...nothing like competition...wonder why Ol' Phil has
not written an editoral about this!
P
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Conduit Support |
Yes, I think access panels like the one used for the stall detector would be
good. That's a great idea. Removable floor panels seem like a bit more effo
rt. Removable composite floor panels even more.
I have no intent on getting into a structural design discussion, and I did n
ot design the RV-10 so I can't say for sure: But those pop rivets are used t
he baggage area floor panels and attaching the canopy top to the fuselage. I
f those aren't providing (at least torsional structural) support through the
middle part of the fuselage, I'm not certain what is holding the plane toge
ther.
-----Original Message-----
From: owl40188@yahoo.com
Sent: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuselage Conduit Support
Hi Jim,
I actually think the access panels are a great idea and I thank everyone who
responded to my initial quarry. If I use the same panels used in the wing
stall horn area its shouldn't be too much work as the pieces are allready ma
de. As far as the floor being structural I don't believe that it is. Its on
ly supporting the weight of whatever baggage is placed in it. The major loa
ds are on the outer skins and the longerons. Those rivets that are used on
the baggage floor are very weak and typically are not considered to be struc
tural. Once the steel stem falls out of them all you are left with is a sma
ll hallow aluminum cyclinder.
I am also thinking of removing the conduit from the baggage area now as it w
on't be needed there any more. I am going with a recommendation that I got
from a Pilot/ Mechanic friend that the fewer pieces of plastic in the plane
the better as there are fewer things that can emit fumes and smoke in case o
f fire.
Niko
40188
----- Original Message ----
From: "jsmcgrew@aol.com" <jsmcgrew@aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:11:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuselage Conduit Support
Removable floor panels would be very nice, but quite a bit of work. I'm inte
rested in seeing how that turns out. The rear seat and baggage area panels a
re structural (thus the 1000's of pop rivets holding them down), make sure y
ou engineer your .025" composite panel and fasteners to handle the loads pro
perly!
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: johnwcox@pacificnw.com
Sent: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuselage Conduit Support
Knowing the importance of inspecting wiring, that is a difficult task. For
one, I will not be permanent riveting floor panels. I will use a 0.25
=9D composite panel which is fastened into nut plates for ease of removal
and inspection. I also see value in access to the instrument panel area.
I will group bundles and separate their runs so each has the ability to shed
heat independent of a specific run. There are specific circuits which tend
to create the largest percentage of heat issues. Each aircraft is unique. T
im did a great job posting his loads and analyzing this issue. I will never
intentionally load a wire circuit above 80% of its rated carry capacity. I
will be using welding wire for the battery terminals, starter leads and hea
vy intermittent amperage flows.
The good news is we don=99t run electrical wire through our fuel tanks
intentionally. I will use only aviation rated circuit breakers. No automot
ive (save a nickel) corner cutting. I have already had an onboard fire on a
1978 Ford. Nuf learned.
A separate issue is grounding and twisted wire bundles to reduce avionic int
erference. All of this is best covered elsewhere.
John
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ma
tronics.com] On Behalf Of JSMcGrew@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuselage Conduit Support
All valid points, John.
I would like to point out that one of the challenges that I found as the RV-
10 comes together is getting the wire runs 100% done before I riveted those
floor panels down permanently and before skinning and installing the wings.
Call it convenience if you will, but I ended up doing 90% of my wire runs th
rough the conduit long after those areas were sealed up. I certainly didn't
make that decision lightly. I realize that I deviated from a perfect world t
o make things come together.
Are you going to stay away from conduit altogether? How do you plan on inspe
cting the wires under the baggage floor area?
Jim
In a message dated 10/24/2006 10:19:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, johnwcox@
pacificnw.com writes:
Jim, should we conclude that a heated wire bundle can be located quicker in
Van=99s black corrugated due to heat shrink. And conversely, your PEX
will mask the heat increase till the wires fuse? You were right that it is
about heat. Should PEX be translucent? cause overheated wire is insulated
with a product so that there is a marked and visible color change with exces
sive heat increase. Three distinct stages just like skin burns. Tim has some
good shots. I had forwarded him the same presentation in Living Color. It
is all about identification of an impending issue before reality sets in du
ring flight. Otherwise the discussion migrates to inflight backup systems /
vacuum gages, fire annunciation, fire suppression and software to identify
the safest and quick route to the ground with a safe departure from the airc
raft.
Always use the lightest gage, the shortest run, the highest quality to meet
the task and to inspect for impending potential problems. Wiring by its nat
ure functions in a hostile environment.
John
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Nikolaos Napoli wrote:
> Hi Jim,
snip
> I am also thinking of removing the conduit from the baggage area now
> as it won't be needed there any more. I am going with a
> recommendation that I got from a Pilot/ Mechanic friend that the fewer
> pieces of plastic in the plane the better as there are fewer things
> that can emit fumes and smoke in case of fire.
>
>
> Niko
>
> 40188
>
Not bad advice on the surface, but if the fire has reached the baggage
area ..... your goose is already cooked. Sorry for the bad pun.
There's already enough noxious (when it's burning) stuff in the cabin
already so eliminating just a little 'something' isn't going to improve
your chances of survival much. But I'm an incurable optomist and I'll
never suffer an inflight fire ..... or a metorite strike or ..... well,
just how many in flight fires (in small planes) have there been? Well,
I do know of a couple, and both of them were in aerobatic aircraft .....
abused far worse than our docile birds ever will. Just a point of view.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
We'll look forward to meeting the "matronics" group at Vans tent in Casa Grande
on Saturday at 9AM. Just got our -10 out of the paint shop last week and we are
anxious to start traveling.
Bill & Sara DeRouchey
N939SB - flying, with a few pit stops.
billderou@yahoo.com
Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote: --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems
Davis
Per Dave's request How about we meet @ Van's @ 9:00 instead of 10? will
that work for every one. (Dave has to be back up North early Sat).
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
David McNeill wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill"
>
> any chance of earlier meeting at Van's? I have to leave by 1030.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deems Davis"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:25 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis
>>
>> Why don't we try and do what we do @ OHS and meet @ Van's tent @
>> 10:00? Anybody else on the list planning on being there?
>>
>> PS. My cell # is 623 521 2000
>>
>> Deems Davis # 406
>> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>
>> Kelly McMullen wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen"
>>>
>>> Any particular gathering spot or time Sat. at CGZ? I'l be there
>>> looking to gather all possible data as to whether building RV-10 is
>>> project/plane for me.
>>>
>>> On 10/25/06, Deems Davis wrote:
>>>
>>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis
>>>>
>>>> John, This must be modification/enhancement # 387, I'm going to
>>>> start a
>>>> pool based on your 10's 1st flight/completion date: The earliest
>>>> selection possible is Jan 20, 2020 (That's my pick). Anybody
>>>> interested
>>>> just send me $10 and the date you pick, I'll put the money in an
>>>> escrow
>>>> account. The person closest to the actual date without going
>>>> over/beyond
>>>> takes it all (Oh yeah and John and his family members are excluded
>>>> from
>>>> entering !) I'll post the estimates/selections on my web site. :-D
>>>>
>>>> PS. John, Looking forward to seeing you @ Copperstate this Sat,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Deems Davis # 406
>>>> Finishing - (A Misnomer ! )
>>>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John W. Cox wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Knowing the importance of inspecting wiring, that is a difficult
>>>> task.
>>>> > For one, I will not be permanent riveting floor panels. I will use a
>>>> > 0.25" composite panel which is fastened into nut plates for ease of
>>>> > removal and inspection. I also see value in access to the instrument
>>>> > panel area. I will group bundles and separate their runs so each has
>>>> > the ability to shed heat independent of a specific run. There are
>>>> > specific circuits which tend to create the largest percentage of
>>>> heat
>>>> > issues. Each aircraft is unique. Tim did a great job posting his
>>>> loads
>>>> > and analyzing this issue. I will never intentionally load a wire
>>>> > circuit above 80% of its rated carry capacity. I will be using
>>>> welding
>>>> > wire for the battery terminals, starter leads and heavy intermittent
>>>> > amperage flows.
>>>> >
>>>> > The good news is we don't run electrical wire through our fuel tanks
>>>> > intentionally. I will use only aviation rated circuit breakers. No
>>>> > automotive (save a nickel) corner cutting. I have already had an
>>>> > onboard fire on a 1978 Ford. Nuf learned.
>>>> >
>>>> > A separate issue is grounding and twisted wire bundles to reduce
>>>> > avionic interference. All of this is best covered elsewhere.
>>>> >
>>>> > John
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>>>> > *JSMcGrew@aol.com
>>>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:21 PM
>>>> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>> > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Fuselage Conduit Support
>>>> >
>>>> > All valid points, John.
>>>> >
>>>> > I would like to point out that one of the challenges that I found as
>>>> > the RV-10 comes together is getting the wire runs 100% done before I
>>>> > riveted those floor panels down permanently and before skinning and
>>>> > installing the wings. Call it convenience if you will, but I
>>>> ended up
>>>> > doing 90% of my wire runs through the conduit long after those areas
>>>> > were sealed up. I certainly didn't make that decision lightly. I
>>>> > realize that I deviated from a perfect world to make things come
>>>> together.
>>>> >
>>>> > Are you going to stay away from conduit altogether? How do you
>>>> plan on
>>>> > inspecting the wires under the baggage floor area?
>>>> >
>>>> > Jim
>>>> >
>>>> > In a message dated 10/24/2006 10:19:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>> > johnwcox@pacificnw.com writes:
>>>> >
>>>> > Jim, should we conclude that a heated wire bundle can be located
>>>> > quicker in Van's black corrugated due to heat shrink. And
>>>> > conversely, your PEX will mask the heat increase till the wires
>>>> > fuse? You were right that it is about heat. Should PEX be
>>>> > translucent? cause overheated wire is insulated with a
>>>> product so
>>>> > that there is a marked and visible color change with excessive
>>>> > heat increase. Three distinct stages just like skin burns.
>>>> Tim has
>>>> > some good shots. I had forwarded him the same presentation in
>>>> > Living Color. It is all about identification of an impending
>>>> issue
>>>> > before reality sets in during flight. Otherwise the discussion
>>>> > migrates to inflight backup systems / vacuum gages, fire
>>>> > annunciation, fire suppression and software to identify the
>>>> safest
>>>> > and quick route to the ground with a safe departure from the
>>>> aircraft.
>>>> >
>>>> > Always use the lightest gage, the shortest run, the highest
>>>> > quality to meet the task and to inspect for impending potential
>>>> > problems. Wiring by its nature functions in a hostile
>>>> environment.
>>>> >
>>>> > John
>>>> >
>>>> > Do not Archive
>>>> >
>>>> >*
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >*
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net>
Thanks,
Hugo
>
> From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
> Date: 2006/10/26 Thu AM 10:18:51 EDT
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Re: RV10-List: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> Hugo,
>
> The name is actually UV Smooth Prime and it's made by Polyfiber. You
> can find it from Spruce
> <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/09-28290.php>. It's been
> around for a long time and is very popular with the fiberglass builders.
> It's claim to fame is it's ability to kill pinholes in addition to
> having a UV blocker.
>
> Michael Sausen
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> gommone7@bellsouth.net
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:48 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Re: RV10-List: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date
> Pool
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net>
>
>
> > Hi ,please can you share the name of the primer you mention for the
> fiberglass.
> Thanks,Hugo
> do not archive
> > From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> > Date: 2006/10/26 Thu AM 09:10:24 EDT
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date
> > Pool
> >
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> >
> > Unfortunately the fiberglass work doesn't get any better as you
> > progress, the wing tips are not symmetric, and the cabin cover looks
> > like it was chiseled from a rock. A Special Thanks to Gary Specketer
> > who provided the tip on UV Smooth Prime, I'm working on the Cabin
> > Cover interior and just had an opportunity to use it yesterday for the
>
> > 1st time. It's GREAT stuff, applies easy with a sprayer, dries
> > quickly, sands even easier, and cleans up with water!
> >
> > THANKS Gary
> >
> > Deems Davis # 406
> > Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> > http://deemsrv10.com/
> >
> >
> >
> > John Gonzalez wrote:
> >
> > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez"
> > > --> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
> > >
> > > Nice to see the Humor! Very wonderful.
> > >
> > > John Cox might be finished before me. My five year old daughter is
> > > growing up too fast and the hours in the shop pass bye just as fast
> too.
> > >
> > > Man that VS fiberglass fairing had a crappy shape to it. Poor
> > > tooling or pulled from the mold way too early. There is some
> > > unexpected weight addition in filler compound!
> > >
> > > JOhn G. 409 finishing up everything on the tail section, everything!
>
> > > I think?
> > >
> > > Do Not archive
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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end 2...
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>
GRANSCOTT@aol.com wrote:
> Sounds like a good reason to get rid of all those MBNA/BofA credit
> cards after the end of the year...nothing like competition...wonder
> why Ol' Phil has not written an editoral about this!
>
Actually, he did. You should have received a letter in the mail
within the past few weeks. They are replacing the program with a
different one, which may end up being better. You don't need to do
anything with your current card. Here is a link to the application site
with some more information:
http://www.aopa.org/info/wpbrick/
-Dj
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Conduit Support |
"Is the floor pan structural or not" is a question best addressed by
Van's.
Kevin
40494
tail/empennage
do not archive
... As far as the floor being structural I don't believe that it is.
Its only supporting the weight of whatever baggage is placed in it. The
major loads are on the outer skins and the longerons. Those rivets that
are used on the baggage floor are very weak and typically are not
considered to be structural. Once the steel stem falls out of them all
you are left with is a small hallow aluminum cyclinder.
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end 2...
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>
Dj Merrill wrote:
> Actually, he did. You should have received a letter in the mail
> within the past few weeks. They are replacing the program with a
> different one, which may end up being better. You don't need to do
> anything with your current card. Here is a link to the application site
> with some more information:
>
> http://www.aopa.org/info/wpbrick/
>
And another link on the AOPA site about all their card offerings:
http://www.aopa.org/info/certified/creditcards.html
fyi
-Dj
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Conduit Support |
Good point Linn. I don't expect to have a fire either, although if I did e
xpect one I wouldn't be building at all. In fact nothing unusual will ever
happen with my airplane it will fly perfectly in blue skys for at least 10
0 years. At this time though, with the access panel in place, the conduit
loses its usefullness and its out. =0A=0ABy the way it appears most people
do have a good number of wires and electronics in the aft fuselage so I wou
ld think that if an electrical fire is possible up front its also possible
in the rear although I admit not likely. =0A=0ANiko=0A40188=0A=0A=0A=0A----
- Original Message ----=0AFrom: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>=0A
=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Fuselage Conduit Support=0A=0ANikolaos Napoli wr
ote:=0A=0AHi Jim,=0Asnip =0AI am also thinking of removing the conduit fro
m the baggage area now as it won't be needed there any more. I am going wi
th a recommendation that I got from a Pilot/ Mechanic friend that the fewer
pieces of plastic in the plane the better as there are fewer things that c
an emit fumes and smoke in case of fire. =0A =0ANiko=0A40188=0ANot bad adv
ice on the surface, but if the fire has reached the baggage area ..... your
goose is already cooked. Sorry for the bad pun. There's already enough n
oxious (when it's burning) stuff in the cabin already so eliminating just a
little 'something' isn't going to improve your chances of survival much.
But I'm an incurable optomist and I'll never suffer an inflight fire .....
or a metorite strike or ..... well, just how many in flight fires (in small
planes) have there been? Well, I do know of a couple, and both of them we
re in aerobatic aircraft ..... abused far worse than our docile birds ever
============
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You are right Kevin. I respectfully retract my statement.=0A =0ANiko=0A401
88=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: KiloPapa <kilopapa@antele
com.net>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2
:12:11 PM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Fuselage Conduit Support=0A=0A=0A"Is th
e floor pan structural or not" is a question best addressed by Van's.=0A
=0AKevin=0A40494=0Atail/empennage=0A =0Ado not archive=0A... As far as the
floor being structural I don't believe that it is. Its only supporting the
weight of whatever baggage is placed in it. The major loads are on the ou
ter skins and the longerons. Those rivets that are used on the baggage flo
or are very weak and typically are not considered to be structural. Once t
he steel stem falls out of them all you are left with is a small hallow alu
=
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end ...
In a message dated 10/26/2006 2:04:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
deej@deej.net writes:
http://www.aopa.org/info/wpbrick/
I read the fine print, it seems the cash rebate is in the less than 1% range
and if you're happy going from 5% to 0.5% then that's OK or if you want
others collecting a bonus on your credit that's OK also. I don't see this on
the
surface as a better program for my purchase's but others results may vary.
P
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end ...
In a message dated 10/26/2006 2:25:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
deej@deej.net writes:
http://www.aopa.org/info/certified/creditcards.html
dj, a 5 year limit on world point accumulation...may limit what one can
obtain over time...you'd have to spend a lot to get a Van Kit!
P
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I couldn't find the Flo-Scan fuel flow measuring idevice in Vans accessorie
s catalog. I was thinking of getting it and installing it when I do my fue
l system as I am getting close to that step. Is there a reason not to get
it yet as I am not sure which engine instument system I will go with? =0A
=0Athanks=0ANiko
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| Subject: | Re: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
And I'm looking forward to meeting you & Sara and seeing your -10, an
unexpected but very welcome surprise for this years Copperstate. Bill,
where are you coming from?
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Bill DeRouchey wrote:
> We'll look forward to meeting the "matronics" group at Vans tent in
> Casa Grande on Saturday at 9AM. Just got our -10 out of the paint shop
> last week and we are anxious to start traveling.
>
> Bill & Sara DeRouchey
> N939SB - flying, with a few pit stops.
> billderou@yahoo.com
>
>
> */Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>/* wrote:
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis
>
> Per Dave's request How about we meet @ Van's @ 9:00 instead of 10?
> will
> that work for every one. (Dave has to be back up North early Sat).
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
> David McNeill wrote:
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill"
> >
> > any chance of earlier meeting at Van's? I have to leave by 1030.
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deems Davis"
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion
> Date Pool
> >
> >
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis
> >>
> >> Why don't we try and do what we do @ OHS and meet @ Van's tent @
> >> 10:00? Anybody else on the list planning on being there?
> >>
> >> PS. My cell # is 623 521 2000
> >>
> >> Deems Davis # 406
> >> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> >> http://deemsrv10.com/
> >>
> >> Kelly McMullen wrote:
> >>
> >>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen"
> >>>
> >>> Any particular gathering spot or time Sat. at CGZ? I'l be there
> >>> looking to gather all possible data as to whether building
> RV-10 is
> >>> project/plane for me.
> >>>
> >>> On 10/25/06, Deems Davis wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis
> >>>>
> >>>> John, This must be modification/enhancement # 387, I'm going to
> >>>> start a
> >>>> pool based on your 10's 1st flight/completion date: The earliest
> >>>> selection possible is Jan 20, 2020 (That's my pick). Anybody
> >>>> interested
> >>>> just send me $10 and the date you pick, I'll put the money in an
> >>>> escrow
> >>>> account. The person closest to the actual date without going
> >>>> over/beyond
> >>>> takes it all (Oh yeah and John and his family members are
> excluded
> >>>> from
> >>>> entering !) I'll post the estimates/selections on my web
> site. :-D
> >>>>
> >>>> PS. John, Looking forward to seeing you @ Copperstate this Sat,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Deems Davis # 406
> >>>> Finishing - (A Misnomer ! )
> >>>> http://deemsrv10.com/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> John W. Cox wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > Knowing the importance of inspecting wiring, that is a
> difficult
> >>>> task.
> >>>> > For one, I will not be permanent riveting floor panels. I
> will use a
> >>>> > 0.25" composite panel which is fastened into nut plates for
> ease of
> >>>> > removal and inspection. I also see value in access to the
> instrument
> >>>> > panel area. I will group bundles and separate their runs so
> each has
> >>>> > the ability to shed heat independent of a specific run.
> There are
> >>>> > specific circuits which tend to create the largest
> percentage of
> >>>> heat
> >>>> > issues. Each aircraft is unique. Tim did a great job
> posting his
> >>>> loads
> >>>> > and analyzing this issue. I will never intentionally load a
> wire
> >>>> > circuit above 80% of its rated carry capacity. I will be using
> >>>> welding
> >>>> > wire for the battery terminals, starter leads and heavy
> intermittent
> >>>> > amperage flows.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > The good news is we don't run electrical wire through our
> fuel tanks
> >>>> > intentionally. I will use only aviation rated circuit
> breakers. No
> >>>> > automotive (save a nickel) corner cutting. I have already
> had an
> >>>> > onboard fire on a 1978 Ford. Nuf learned.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > A separate issue is grounding and twisted wire bundles to
> reduce
> >>>> > avionic interference. All of this is best covered elsewhere.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > John
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >>>>
> >>>> >
> >>>> > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >>>> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> >>>> > *JSMcGrew@aol.com
> >>>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:21 PM
> >>>> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> >>>> > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Fuselage Conduit Support
> >>>> >
> >>>> > All valid points, John.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I would like to point out that one of the challenges that I
> found as
> >>>> > the RV-10 comes together is getting the wire runs 100% done
> before I
> >>>> > riveted those floor panels down permanently and before
> skinning and
> >>>> > installing the wings. Call it convenience if you will, but I
> >>>> ended up
> >>>> > doing 90% of my wire runs through the conduit long after
> those areas
> >>>> > were sealed up. I certainly didn't make that decision
> lightly. I
> >>>> > realize that I deviated from a perfect world to make things
> come
> >>>> together.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Are you going to stay away from conduit altogether? How do you
> >>>> plan on
> >>>> > inspecting the wires under the baggage floor area?
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Jim
> >>>> >
> >>>> > In a message dated 10/24/2006 10:19:42 P.M. Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> >>>> > johnwcox@pacificnw.com writes:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Jim, should we conclude that a heated wire bundle can be
> located
> >>>> > quicker in Van's black corrugated due to heat shrink. And
> >>>> > conversely, your PEX will mask the heat increase till the wires
> >>>> > fuse? You were right that it is about heat. Should PEX be
> >>>> > translucent? cause overheated wire is insulated with a
> >>>> product so
> >>>> > that there is a marked and visible color change with excessive
> >>>> > heat increase. Three distinct stages just like skin burns.
> >>>> Tim has
> >>>> > some good shots. I had forwarded him the same presentation in
> >>>> > Living Color. It is all about identification of an impending
> >>>> issue
> >>>> > before reality sets in during flight. Otherwise the discussion
> >>>> > migrates to inflight backup systems / vacuum gages, fire
> >>>> > annunciation, fire suppression and software to identify the
> >>>> safest
> >>>> > and quick route to the ground with a safe departure from the
> >>>> aircraft.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Always use the lightest gage, the shortest run, the highest
> >>>> > quality to meet the task and to inspect for impending potential
> >>>> > problems. Wiring by its nature functions in a hostile
> >>>> environment.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > John
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Do not Archive
> >>>> >
> >>>> >*
> >>>> >
> >>>>
>
>*
>
>
>*
>
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This info is a couple of years old, but the Flo-Scan senders 1) restrict
fuel flow, and worse 2) create turbidity in the fuel. There were a
couple of better sensors but I can't remember any brand names. Sorry.
David M.
Nikolaos Napoli wrote:
> I couldn't find the Flo-Scan fuel flow measuring idevice in Vans
> accessories catalog. I was thinking of getting it and installing it
> when I do my fuel system as I am getting close to that step. Is there
> a reason not to get it yet as I am not sure which engine
> instument system I will go with?
>
> thanks
> Niko
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA rebate program bites the dust - "how to" until year |
end ...
I had a World Points for a couple of years and discovered that it was
just a hair better than one of those Capital One cards. I closed out the
account amd will probably close out the new World Points accout too,
when it comes in the mail.
Ed Godfrey
GRANSCOTT@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 10/26/2006 2:04:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> deej@deej.net writes:
>
> http://www.aopa.org/info/wpbrick/
>
> I read the fine print, it seems the cash rebate is in the less than 1%
> range and if you're happy going from 5% to 0.5% then that's OK or if
> you want others collecting a bonus on your credit that's OK also. I
> don't see this on the surface as a better program for my purchase's
> but others results may vary.
>
> P
>
>
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EI makes one that is compatible electronically with a Flo-Scan 201 and
is available as a separate item. I ordered the fuel flow sensor from
Advanced Flight Systems for their engine monitor and that is what I
received.
http://www.buy-ei.com/Accessories.htm Picture shows a Flo-Scan but the
actual FT-60 is a red cube.
Bob
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David M.
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flo-Scan
This info is a couple of years old, but the Flo-Scan senders 1) restrict
fuel flow, and worse 2) create turbidity in the fuel. There were a
couple of better sensors but I can't remember any brand names. Sorry.
David M.
Nikolaos Napoli wrote:
I couldn't find the Flo-Scan fuel flow measuring idevice in Vans
accessories catalog. I was thinking of getting it and installing it
when I do my fuel system as I am getting close to that step. Is there a
reason not to get it yet as I am not sure which engine instument system
I will go with?
thanks
Niko
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check with the maker of your engine monitor. If you are , for example,
buying the GRT EIS 6000 you will be getting a floscan. If your are
buying JPI engine analyzer you will get a different sensor.
----- Original Message -----
From: Nikolaos Napoli
To: Matronics
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Flo-Scan
I couldn't find the Flo-Scan fuel flow measuring idevice in Vans
accessories catalog. I was thinking of getting it and installing it
when I do my fuel system as I am getting close to that step. Is there a
reason not to get it yet as I am not sure which engine instument system
I will go with?
thanks
Niko
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| Subject: | Aileron and Flap Rigging |
I have a question about how other people adjusted the flaps and ailerons.
The directions are a little unclear. The following is what I did and the
assumptions I made. Did any one do something different?
For the flap adjustment: Per the plans I lifted the flap up until it
contacted the aft spar of the wing; this is the full up (reflex) position of the
flaps. I adjusted the pushrod accordingly. Incidentally, this adjustment
coincided with the trailing edge of the flap flush with the underside of the
fuselage. That seemed aerodynamically and aesthetically pleasing.
I adjusted the neutral position of the ailerons to match the reflexed
position of the flaps. I did this so I would not have more camber on the outer
portions of the wing while the flaps were in the reflex position (as that might
cause the outer portions of the wing to stall first, leading to less than
optimum stall characteristics). Furthermore, if I want my flaps reflexed for
better cruise performance, why not my ailerons as well. This made aerodynamic
sense to me, but the plans did not offer any guidance.
Finally, when installing the wingtips I found that the wingtip rib did not
line up with my ailerons as they were adjusted (the trailing of the wingtip sat
lower than the ailerons in the neutral position). I made it work but the
wingtips don't look quite right. The plane flies great, but it seems like
something isn't quite right.
Thanks for your help
Jim
40134
Jim "Scooter" McGrew
http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew
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| Subject: | Engine sensor wires in firewall |
I am about to drill holes to run my sensor wires through the firewall. I
have seen a few variations of where people are running wires through the
firewall. For those of you complete or near completion, what has been your
experience - where to you recommend the best place to route the sensor wires
through the firewall. What problems have you run into given where you ran
yours.
John Testement
HYPERLINK "mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com"jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Finish kit - wiring
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| Subject: | Re: Vans wiring kit - mods for fuel injection |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Don" <airflow2@bellsouth.net>
If your installing the Airflow Performance boost pump P/N 3090050, you will require
a switched 10 amp circuit. We recommend a 10 amp breaker with #16 gauge
wire minimum to supply the pump. The pump will draw 5-6 amps @ 30 PSI and there's
a little inrush current on start up thus the 10 amp breaker.
Don
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70447#70447
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| Subject: | Re: Engine sensor wires in firewall |
I ran my sensor wires on the right (passenger) side of my firewall, all of
the power wires went through on the left. This worked out great. I used Van's
wiring kit (plus many additions) and this setup worked well with the kit
plans.
I used EMP Corp 1" firewall penetration seals. _http://www.emp-corp.com/_
(http://www.emp-corp.com/)
Pictures attached. You can see the wires entering into the orange firesleeve.
Jim
40134
Jim "Scooter" McGrew
_http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew_ (http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew)
In a message dated 10/26/2006 7:30:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com writes:
I am about to drill holes to run my sensor wires through the firewall. I
have seen a few variations of where people are running wires through the
firewall. For those of you complete or near completion, what has been your
experience - where to you recommend the best place to route the sensor wires through
the firewall. What problems have you run into given where you ran yours.
John Testement
_jwt@roadmapscoaching.com_ (mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com)
40321
Richmond, VA
Finish kit - wiring
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(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List)
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http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew
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| Subject: | Re: Engine sensor wires in firewall |
I sent the wrong link in the previous email. The firewall penetration seals
are available at _http://www.epm-avcorp.com/tubeseal.html_
(http://www.epm-avcorp.com/tubeseal.html)
Jim
Jim "Scooter" McGrew
http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew
In a message dated 10/26/2006 7:30:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com writes:
I am about to drill holes to run my sensor wires through the firewall. I
have seen a few variations of where people are running wires through the
firewall. For those of you complete or near completion, what has been your
experience - where to you recommend the best place to route the sensor wires through
the firewall. What problems have you run into given where you ran yours.
John Testement
_jwt@roadmapscoaching.com_ (mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com)
40321
Richmond, VA
Finish kit - wiring
--
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(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew
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| Subject: | Re: John Cox's Mod/Enhancement/Completion Date Pool |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com>
I'm doubly anxious to see a real live completed -10. I got a few
moments to look at Doug Petersens over a year ago. I learned, much to
my dismay, that Vans only brought an RV-7A to Copperstate. The only
remaining event this year they will bring a 10 to is AOPA Expo.
On 10/26/06, Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> And I'm looking forward to meeting you & Sara and seeing your -10, an
> unexpected but very welcome surprise for this years Copperstate. Bill,
> where are you coming from?
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
> Bill DeRouchey wrote:
>
> > We'll look forward to meeting the "matronics" group at Vans tent in
> > Casa Grande on Saturday at 9AM. Just got our -10 out of the paint shop
> > last week and we are anxious to start traveling.
> >
> > Bill & Sara DeRouchey
> > N939SB - flying, with a few pit stops.
> > billderou@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Engine sensor wires in firewall |
You sure you didn't mean EPM/AV Corp/
http://www.epm-avcorp.com/
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JSMcGrew@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine sensor wires in firewall
I ran my sensor wires on the right (passenger) side of my firewall, all
of the power wires went through on the left. This worked out great. I
used Van's wiring kit (plus many additions) and this setup worked well
with the kit plans.
I used EMP Corp 1" firewall penetration seals. http://www.emp-corp.com/
Pictures attached. You can see the wires entering into the orange
firesleeve.
Jim
40134
Jim "Scooter" McGrew
http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew
In a message dated 10/26/2006 7:30:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com writes:
I am about to drill holes to run my sensor wires through the
firewall. I have seen a few variations of where people are running wires
through the firewall. For those of you complete or near completion, what
has been your experience - where to you recommend the best place to
route the sensor wires through the firewall. What problems have you run
into given where you ran yours.
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Finish kit - wiring
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="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.co
m
/Navigator?RV10-List
.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
ronics.com/">http://wiki.matronics.com
://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew
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The flow transducer will work better on an injected engine if it is place
in the line from the throttle servo to the fuel distribution block on the top
of the engine.
The EI transducer is not electrically the same as the Flow Scan unit, it
puts out about twice as many pulses and you engine monitor has to be able to
accept the higher data rate.
Rob Hickman
_www.Advanced-Flight-Systems.com_ (http://www.Advanced-Flight-Systems.com)
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Go right to the source. I bookmarked this two days ago for when I order.
http://www.floscan.com/html/blue/accessories.php
first item on the list is model 231, the one you want if you use the
flo-scan.
Rob Wright
#392
Tailcone attach
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RobHickman@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flo-Scan
The flow transducer will work better on an injected engine if it is place
in the line from the throttle servo to the fuel distribution block on the
top of the engine.
The EI transducer is not electrically the same as the Flow Scan unit, it
puts out about twice as many pulses and you engine monitor has to be able to
accept the higher data rate.
Rob Hickman
www.Advanced-Flight-Systems.com
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Rob, Why the 231? I couldn't find any specs on it on their site. However
they do list the 201 (3 models) for aviation purposes, but I couldn't
find a price listed anywhere?
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Rob Wright wrote:
> Go right to the source. I bookmarked this two days ago for when I order.
>
>
>
> http://www.floscan.com/html/blue/accessories.php
>
>
>
> first item on the list is model 231, the one you want if you use the
> flo-scan.
>
>
>
> Rob Wright
>
> #392
>
> Tailcone attach
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *RobHickman@aol.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:21 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Flo-Scan
>
>
>
> The flow transducer will work better on an injected engine if it is
> place in the line from the throttle servo to the fuel distribution
> block on the top of the engine.
>
>
>
> The EI transducer is not electrically the same as the Flow Scan unit,
> it puts out about twice as many pulses and you engine monitor has to
> be able to accept the higher data rate.
>
>
>
>
>
> Rob Hickman
>
> www.Advanced-Flight-Systems.com <http://www.Advanced-Flight-Systems.com>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
Well, I based my search criteria off of what I saw other discussing
recently. I thought it was one of the Jims or Johns mentioning using the
231. Yeah, I should know better than to put faith in other, non-hallowed
Vans employees!
A quick call to Vans may clear this up as to which model the supplied
bracket fits, but even that may end up being universal to the 201 series and
the 231 model.
I didn't even check the aviation versions once I saw the search go to the
231. Funny there are no prices for the 201s, and no info on the 231!
More research necessary! If some of you actually intelligent guys could do
it though, would you please let this caveman know while I'm out banging
rivets?
Rob Wright
#392
Tailcone attach
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flo-Scan
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Rob, Why the 231? I couldn't find any specs on it on their site. However
they do list the 201 (3 models) for aviation purposes, but I couldn't
find a price listed anywhere?
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Rob Wright wrote:
> Go right to the source. I bookmarked this two days ago for when I order.
>
>
>
> http://www.floscan.com/html/blue/accessories.php
>
>
>
> first item on the list is model 231, the one you want if you use the
> flo-scan.
>
>
>
> Rob Wright
>
> #392
>
> Tailcone attach
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *RobHickman@aol.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:21 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Flo-Scan
>
>
>
> The flow transducer will work better on an injected engine if it is
> place in the line from the throttle servo to the fuel distribution
> block on the top of the engine.
>
>
>
> The EI transducer is not electrically the same as the Flow Scan unit,
> it puts out about twice as many pulses and you engine monitor has to
> be able to accept the higher data rate.
>
>
>
>
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> Rob Hickman
>
> www.Advanced-Flight-Systems.com <http://www.Advanced-Flight-Systems.com>
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