Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:14 AM - Re: Empennage gap seal. (David McNeill)
2. 06:27 AM - X-Plane (Rene Felker)
3. 07:07 AM - Re: X-Plane (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
4. 07:53 AM - Re: Empennage gap seal. (John Gonzalez)
5. 08:02 AM - Re: X-Plane (Pascal)
6. 08:16 AM - Re: Empennage gap seal. (Rick)
7. 08:18 AM - Re: How many people are glassing their fiberglass fairing gaps? (John Gonzalez)
8. 09:03 AM - Metal Chip chasing in the empannage area (John Gonzalez)
9. 09:31 AM - Project insurance during the build (Dave Leikam)
10. 09:45 AM - Re: Project insurance during the build (David McNeill)
11. 09:58 AM - Re: Project insurance during the build (Rick)
12. 10:01 AM - Re: Project insurance during the build (John Gonzalez)
13. 12:52 PM - Latest on Props? (Eric Parlow)
14. 03:27 PM - matco parking brake mounting bracket? (Jay Brinkmeyer)
15. 04:19 PM - Re: matco parking brake mounting bracket? (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
16. 04:19 PM - Re: matco parking brake mounting bracket? (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
17. 04:19 PM - Re: matco parking brake mounting bracket? (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
18. 04:20 PM - Re: matco parking brake mounting bracket? (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
19. 04:23 PM - rudder pedals ()
20. 04:39 PM - Re: matco parking brake mounting bracket? (Deems Davis)
21. 05:06 PM - Re: Another Copperstate Nugget! (Bill DeRouchey)
22. 05:42 PM - Re: Another Copperstate Nugget! (Jack Sargeant)
23. 05:44 PM - Re: Tunnel damage from rudder cable (Chris)
24. 07:05 PM - Re: Tunnel damage from rudder cable (orchidman)
25. 07:13 PM - Re: Project insurance during the build (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
26. 07:25 PM - Re: Project insurance during the build (KiloPapa)
27. 08:11 PM - Re: Project insurance during the build (Deems Davis)
28. 08:26 PM - Re: Project insurance during the build (Dave Leikam)
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| Subject: | Re: Empennage gap seal. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
It is simpler to use button head screws and ignore the CS. This will a mini
amount of additional drag.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 11:26 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Empennage gap seal.
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
> Carl,
>
> On further investigation, I believe you have a valid point. I spent some
> time this evening simulating the situation with materials of the same
> thicknesses and determined that inorder to accept the dimples in the
> empannage gap plates, the tail cone skin and the longerons would have to
> be countersunk fairly deeply, which doesn't leave much material to make
> threads into.
>
> I may make my own nutplates out of rectangular 1/8" aluminum, then the
> threads would have 1/8" plus the material left after the countersink is
> complete. Those dimples in the plates sure take up some space.
>
> John G.
>
>
>>From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@cox.net>
>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Empennage gap seal.
>>Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:41:40 -0500
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@cox.net>
>>
>>Another option is to drill all the longeron holes out to #28 and install
>>nutplates. I did this on my RV-8A thinking that the soft aluminum threads
>>would strip out over time. I am doing the same with the RV-10.
>>
>>Carl Froehlich
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
>>Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 2:09 PM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RV10-List: Empannage gap seal.
>>
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>
>>Okay, I am going to do a public gripe.
>>
>>I am just about to finish section 12 and was amazed at how my entire day
>>yesteray was spent placing nut plates on the VS and the HS. After
>>completing this I finally got to the area in the plans to finish the
>>empannage gap plate.
>>
>>One page 12-5 there is a bolt typed warning the says, DO NOT DRILL SKINS
>>OR
>>LONGERONS OF THE EMPANNAGE UNTIL PAGE 12-6.
>>
>>The next step say dril one of the longeron holes. Go figure?????
>>
>>Okay, so I left it for later.
>>
>>Finally on to page 12-6 and things are flowing. I drill all the longeron
>>holes to #36, debur and bla,bla, bla.
>>
>>Next step, drill to #27 the empanage gap plate holes and ....... My
>>daughter comes down to say we are going out to dinner and I go and drill
>>the
>>longeron holes also to #27, (like we have been doing with the other areas
>>that received nutplates.) Now, I had read ahead the night before, and
>>realized these longeron hole would be taped to receive the screws
>>directly,
>>but I kept remembering the entire time this warning as mentioned above.
>>Since these hole should never have been drilled to #27, WHY DID THIS
>>WARNING
>>EVER SAY WHAT IT SAID???????
>>
>>All is not lost, I had to order some 4mm flat head screws and a tap so
>>that
>>the holes drilled to #27 in the longerons would not have to be enlarged
>>anymore. Unfortunately the head angle is 90 degrees and not 100 degrees
>>but
>>I can fix this. I just didn't want to go up to #8 pan heads or use
>>nutplates on the inside of the longerons. Trying to not remove the HS and
>>disconnect the trim cables, again, again, again,.....
>>
>>Good Grief Charlie Brown!!!!!!
>>
>>John G.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com>
Has anyone tried to model the RV-10 in X-Plane? I have someone from my
local EAA chapter who has offered to help me, but it would be nice to just
use someone else's work and not get distracted from building the plane.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
40322
Finish Kit et al.......
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
It is already there and the main reason I bought it. I have not tried to
fly it yet, but am installing X-plane with multiple monitors like they
did at Oshkosh. It is a bolt on for X-plane, it is 10mg zipped and has a
bunch of other planes including an RV7. If you want it, contact me
offline and we can figure out how to get it to you.
Dan
RV10E (N289DT)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:26 AM
Subject: RV10-List: X-Plane
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com>
Has anyone tried to model the RV-10 in X-Plane? I have someone from my
local EAA chapter who has offered to help me, but it would be nice to
just
use someone else's work and not get distracted from building the plane.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
40322
Finish Kit et al.......
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| Subject: | Re: Empennage gap seal. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
This would be a simplier solution, but still think I will go the other way.
I have re read this part in the plans a few times and there are definetly
several of errors in the way they wrote these directions.
What have people been doing to remove the metal chips that get stuck between
the skin and the longerons as the existing rivets holding the skins are
trapping everything.
JOhn G.
>From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Empennage gap seal.
>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:12:47 -0700
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
>
>It is simpler to use button head screws and ignore the CS. This will a mini
>amount of additional drag.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 11:26 PM
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Empennage gap seal.
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>
>>Carl,
>>
>>On further investigation, I believe you have a valid point. I spent some
>>time this evening simulating the situation with materials of the same
>>thicknesses and determined that inorder to accept the dimples in the
>>empannage gap plates, the tail cone skin and the longerons would have to
>>be countersunk fairly deeply, which doesn't leave much material to make
>>threads into.
>>
>>I may make my own nutplates out of rectangular 1/8" aluminum, then the
>>threads would have 1/8" plus the material left after the countersink is
>>complete. Those dimples in the plates sure take up some space.
>>
>>John G.
>>
>>
>>>From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@cox.net>
>>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Empennage gap seal.
>>>Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:41:40 -0500
>>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Carl Froehlich"
>>><carl.froehlich@cox.net>
>>>
>>>Another option is to drill all the longeron holes out to #28 and install
>>>nutplates. I did this on my RV-8A thinking that the soft aluminum
>>>threads
>>>would strip out over time. I am doing the same with the RV-10.
>>>
>>>Carl Froehlich
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
>>>Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 2:09 PM
>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: RV10-List: Empannage gap seal.
>>>
>>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>
>>>Okay, I am going to do a public gripe.
>>>
>>>I am just about to finish section 12 and was amazed at how my entire day
>>>yesteray was spent placing nut plates on the VS and the HS. After
>>>completing this I finally got to the area in the plans to finish the
>>>empannage gap plate.
>>>
>>>One page 12-5 there is a bolt typed warning the says, DO NOT DRILL SKINS
>>>OR
>>>LONGERONS OF THE EMPANNAGE UNTIL PAGE 12-6.
>>>
>>>The next step say dril one of the longeron holes. Go figure?????
>>>
>>>Okay, so I left it for later.
>>>
>>>Finally on to page 12-6 and things are flowing. I drill all the longeron
>>>holes to #36, debur and bla,bla, bla.
>>>
>>>Next step, drill to #27 the empanage gap plate holes and ....... My
>>>daughter comes down to say we are going out to dinner and I go and drill
>>>the
>>>longeron holes also to #27, (like we have been doing with the other areas
>>>that received nutplates.) Now, I had read ahead the night before, and
>>>realized these longeron hole would be taped to receive the screws
>>>directly,
>>>but I kept remembering the entire time this warning as mentioned above.
>>>Since these hole should never have been drilled to #27, WHY DID THIS
>>>WARNING
>>>EVER SAY WHAT IT SAID???????
>>>
>>>All is not lost, I had to order some 4mm flat head screws and a tap so
>>>that
>>>the holes drilled to #27 in the longerons would not have to be enlarged
>>>anymore. Unfortunately the head angle is 90 degrees and not 100 degrees
>>>but
>>>I can fix this. I just didn't want to go up to #8 pan heads or use
>>>nutplates on the inside of the longerons. Trying to not remove the HS
>>>and
>>>disconnect the trim cables, again, again, again,.....
>>>
>>>Good Grief Charlie Brown!!!!!!
>>>
>>>John G.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Pascal" <rv10builder@verizon.net>
http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?autocom=dlmanager&do=viewfile&fid=4593
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 6:26 AM
Subject: RV10-List: X-Plane
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com>
>
> Has anyone tried to model the RV-10 in X-Plane? I have someone from my
> local EAA chapter who has offered to help me, but it would be nice to just
> use someone else's work and not get distracted from building the plane.
>
> Rene' Felker
> N423CF
> 40322
> Finish Kit et al.......
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Empennage gap seal. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
John,
I use a chip chaser, I thought it was a waste of $10 originally but it does work
well. Even better is to prevent the chips in the first place. I mask off any
cracks and such when possible to prevent them from dropping in in the first place...not
always an option though.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: How many people are glassing their fiberglass fairing gaps? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Stephen,
You are misunderstanding my application. The fiberglass joggle(Flange) of
the fairing that fits beneath the aluminum skin that gets rivetted to the
skin , is where I placed the microballon epoxy mix. All this did was fill
in any gap between the aluminum skin and the flange(Vertical dimension) or
the gap (horizontally). There is no need for structural requirement as the
flange is taking all the load. No need to fibeglass over the top of the
joint as the flange is making all the stiffness and the bond is keeping any
aluminum from flexing.
I am not talking about the closeout (filling of the inside of the part)
which I used a foam core sandwich with carbon cloth and resin.
John G.
>From: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: How many people are glassing their fiberglass
>fairing gaps?
>Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:40:48 EST
>
>
>In a message dated 10/30/06 1:56:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>indigoonlatigo@msn.com writes:
>
>I mixed a batch of epoxy with microballons and placed some on the inside
>of
>the wing and on the fairing itself, clecoed. Then I removed each clecoe
>and
>placed the pop rivet. Then whiped the joint off with a sqwegy. The idea
>was
>to make this
>area have no flex and to fill the gap
>
>
> Remember, micro-balloons are NOT structural, just sandable filler.
>If
>you want to "prevent flexing", depending on the size and shape of the
>area,
>use glass cloth or fill with foam and then cloth, then micro or use a
>flox
>mix with resin, and just use micro-balloons for the surface filler.
>Micro-balloons sand easier, but an unsupported micro-balloon mix on a
>flexible surface
>will crack with time.
>
> (past Cozy Mark IV builder)
>
>
>Stephen Blank RV-10 Builder #40499 / C-170B flyer
>766 SE River Lane
>Port St. Lucie, FL 34983
>
>772-475-5556 cell
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| Subject: | Metal Chip chasing in the empannage area |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
As you said, I can't get a large enough clamp in to place to keep the skin
tight to the backing structure to prevent the chips from dropping between.
I have chip chaser but it is too thick. I am thinking of purchasing some
long chisel shaped X-acto blades and thinning then down with a sander so
they will go between the skin and the supporting structure. I should be able
to push them out from under the skin/longeron space.
Other ideas welcome.
John G. 409
>From: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Empennage gap seal.
>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:15:32 -0500 (EST)
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>
>John,
>
>I use a chip chaser, I thought it was a waste of $10 originally but it does
>work well. Even better is to prevent the chips in the first place. I mask
>off any cracks and such when possible to prevent them from dropping in in
>the first place...not always an option though.
>
>Rick S.
>40185
>
>
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| Subject: | Project insurance during the build |
How is everyone insuring their project while building? I was told by my
agent that my home owners does not cover the project without a rider.
When do I need to get normal hull insurance? After certification and
airworthiness? Now?
Dave Leikam
#40496
N89DA Reserved
Tailcone in clecos
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| Subject: | Re: Project insurance during the build |
contact Falcon Insurance (EAA) for builders insurance. 1% per year of
value.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Leikam
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 10:31 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Project insurance during the build
How is everyone insuring their project while building? I was told by
my agent that my home owners does not cover the project without a rider.
When do I need to get normal hull insurance? After certification and
airworthiness? Now?
Dave Leikam
#40496
N89DA Reserved
Tailcone in clecos
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| Subject: | Re: Project insurance during the build |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Dave,
Your agent is correct, and lots-o-luck getting a rider for aircraft.
Coverage is called builders risk, coverage is only for no movment type of damage,
i.e. fire, theft etc.
AIG, EAA should have options for you.
You may be required to provide a reserved "N" number to bind coverage. Expect to
pay $400 to $500 a year.
New program I am associated with on the near horizon (days) to consider more to
follow.
Hull coverage is not mandatory, liability coverage is mandatory at most airports
to operate or park. Your finance company, if applicable, most likely will require
you to have hull coverage to protect their financial interest by becoming
the named insured/lien holder on your hull coverage.
Rick S.
40185
Producer of Insurance
Nevada
do not archive
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| Subject: | Project insurance during the build |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Is this the case if you are building in your home??
>From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam@wi.rr.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV10-List: Project insurance during the build
>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:31:09 -0600
>
>How is everyone insuring their project while building? I was told by my
>agent that my home owners does not cover the project without a rider. When
>do I need to get normal hull insurance? After certification and
>airworthiness? Now?
>
>Dave Leikam
>#40496
>N89DA Reserved
>Tailcone in clecos
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| Subject: | Latest on Props? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow@hotmail.com>
What's the latest on props?
Has the MT 3b vs. Hartzell 2b test been flown?
Others???
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| Subject: | matco parking brake mounting bracket? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
I got my nifty Matco parking brake dodad recently, but it didn't come with a
mounting bracket. Anyone else have tips on how to mount this puppy? I'm close
to riveting on my fuse skins and would like to get this done before access
becomes an issue.
Thanks in advance for responding...
Cheers,
Jay
Slooow building away (but my finish kit arrived!)
(http://voice.yahoo.com)
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| Subject: | matco parking brake mounting bracket? |
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Brinkmeyer
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 4:27 PM
Subject: RV10-List: matco parking brake mounting bracket?
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
I got my nifty Matco parking brake dodad recently, but it didn't come with a
mounting bracket. Anyone else have tips on how to mount this puppy? I'm
close
to riveting on my fuse skins and would like to get this done before access
becomes an issue.
Thanks in advance for responding...
Cheers,
Jay
Slooow building away (but my finish kit arrived!)
(http://voice.yahoo.com)
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| Subject: | matco parking brake mounting bracket? |
Here is one I built. Needed to be a little longer so the cable sheath would
have something to secure to. Would also make the base and doublers a little
bigger so all the holes in the fire wall would be covered.
Noel
Blue Sky Aviation, Inc.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Brinkmeyer
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 4:27 PM
Subject: RV10-List: matco parking brake mounting bracket?
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
I got my nifty Matco parking brake dodad recently, but it didn't come with a
mounting bracket. Anyone else have tips on how to mount this puppy? I'm
close
to riveting on my fuse skins and would like to get this done before access
becomes an issue.
Thanks in advance for responding...
Cheers,
Jay
Slooow building away (but my finish kit arrived!)
(http://voice.yahoo.com)
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| Subject: | matco parking brake mounting bracket? |
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Brinkmeyer
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 4:27 PM
Subject: RV10-List: matco parking brake mounting bracket?
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
I got my nifty Matco parking brake dodad recently, but it didn't come with a
mounting bracket. Anyone else have tips on how to mount this puppy? I'm
close
to riveting on my fuse skins and would like to get this done before access
becomes an issue.
Thanks in advance for responding...
Cheers,
Jay
Slooow building away (but my finish kit arrived!)
(http://voice.yahoo.com)
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| Subject: | matco parking brake mounting bracket? |
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Brinkmeyer
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 4:27 PM
Subject: RV10-List: matco parking brake mounting bracket?
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
I got my nifty Matco parking brake dodad recently, but it didn't come with a
mounting bracket. Anyone else have tips on how to mount this puppy? I'm
close
to riveting on my fuse skins and would like to get this done before access
becomes an issue.
Thanks in advance for responding...
Cheers,
Jay
Slooow building away (but my finish kit arrived!)
(http://voice.yahoo.com)
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Here some tip to protect the paint from the shoes,I just found a 1" plastic bushing
fit perfect in the ligth holes , and a 1 - 1/4 " fit perfect the holes at
the vertical frames next to the spars .
hugo
#40456
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| Subject: | Re: matco parking brake mounting bracket? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Here's a link to a couple of pics on how some of us have done it. I
can't remember the part #, but if you are not using a carburated engine
there is an extra part that can be adapted to serve as the mount.
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2036%20Brake%20Lines/slides/DSC02515.html
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Jay Brinkmeyer wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
>
>I got my nifty Matco parking brake dodad recently, but it didn't come with a
>mounting bracket. Anyone else have tips on how to mount this puppy? I'm close
>to riveting on my fuse skins and would like to get this done before access
>becomes an issue.
>
>Thanks in advance for responding...
>
>Cheers,
>Jay
>Slooow building away (but my finish kit arrived!)
>
>
>
>(http://voice.yahoo.com)
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another Copperstate Nugget! |
Thank You Deems for the kind words.
About April 2003 I had decided on two things: I was going to build an RV-10 and
there would be no vacuum system on-board. Starting with a clean sheet of paper,
this path led me to a completely integrated, low cost IFR panel with a good
backup plan and tremendous functionality.
After two cross-countrys with prototype components we are down to one bug and
one very big feature to add: XM Weather! During our flights, Sara and I, looked
over the graphic design many times and decided it was ready for prime time.
From now until the end of the year I will be productizing the hardware, creating
wiring diagrams and installing the system in another RV-10. First quarter
2007 I will emerge under the name WTD Aviation Technology. We already have a
web site but there is very little there - the panel shown is for Sport Aviation
and we are now flying with a Cross Country rendering. I will stay with a product
directed toward the RV-10 due to the integration content until its well on
its way then expand to other experimental aircraft.
A few details:
Pilot scan largely eliminated. All primary flight, engine, and warning information
contained within a single display. Provides more time for pilot to manage
flight.
Single 10.4" sun light rated LCD industrial display
1GB, 256MB display computer with no spinning media
All operating system and application contained on one CF card for easy update
Very accurate air data computer that also picks up inputs from the RV-10
Crossbow gyro: They are on track with a new model for January that I will
Beta.
System interfaces beautifully with a Garmin 430 or 530.
IFR mission: The ILS cross hairs are designed to give the feel of a jet fighter
going
after a target.
Integration into the RV-10: The display computer knows fuel levels, flap position,
door sensors, and stall warning. It provides speed adjusted trim sensitivity.
Less wiring than a VFR panel, less weight, less heat, less cutting of the support
structure.
With a Garmin 430 & 330 the panel in N939SB has 2.5 levels of backup, traffic,
terrain, and soon weather. And I had panel space left over for a map box.
Very reliable: this is a big subject that requires its own forum. The old thought
that
you need two of everything falls apart as you increase MTBF (measurable
reliability). You can increase reliability and reduce cost by approaching
the panel
with a good system design.
I have been presenting my design concepts to my local EAA 119 for two years in
various forms beginning with education to acutal demonstrations. The only negative
comment has been from commercial pilots that are not comfortable unless
every inch on the panel is covered with knobs or displays. It just looks too
simple to support all the features.
Just now Sara and I are still traveling after Copperstate. When I return I will
create a new subject called "Glass Panels" and provide pictures, more on design
goals, and expected costs of a panel using my components.
Bill DeRouchey
billderou@yahoo.com
N939SB - flying with a few pit stops.
Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis
Bill and Sara DeRouchey had their newly painted RV-10 @ Copperstate as
well, His paint scheme is a derivative of Van's 410 (only better) and
looks Terrific! But that's not the story. _Bill designed, built,
programmed and installed HIS OWN EFIS ! along with his own Air Data
Computer! _I had the pleasure of having him walk me through it in his
cockpit and it is AMAZING! Hopefully Bill will come up on the list and
respond, and add to the description. Bill, if you have any pics and are
ready to share them with the group please do so, what you've built is
impressive and deserves to be seen by the -10 builder community !
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Another Copperstate Nugget! |
Just remember that MTBF means Mean Time Between Failures. A valuable
statistical number, but for every unit which goes beyond the Mean there is
another which goes the same amount less. Which is yours going to be? I
still like redundancy!
Jack & Cecilia Sargeant
1127 Patricia St.
Wichita, KS 67208-2642
316/683-5268
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill DeRouchey
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 7:04 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Another Copperstate Nugget!
Thank You Deems for the kind words.
About April 2003 I had decided on two things: I was going to build an
RV-10 and there would be no vacuum system on-board. Starting with a clean
sheet of paper, this path led me to a completely integrated, low cost IFR
panel with a good backup plan and tremendous functionality.
After two cross-countrys with prototype components we are down to one bug
and one very big feature to add: XM Weather! During our flights, Sara and
I, looked over the graphic design many times and decided it was ready for
prime time. From now until the end of the year I will be productizing the
hardware, creating wiring diagrams and installing the system in another
RV-10. First quarter 2007 I will emerge under the name WTD Aviation
Technology. We already have a web site but there is very little there - the
panel shown is for Sport Aviation and we are now flying with a Cross Country
rendering. I will stay with a product directed toward the RV-10 due to the
integration content until its well on its way then expand to other
experimental aircraft.
A few details:
Pilot scan largely eliminated. All primary flight, engine, and warning
information
contained within a single display. Provides more time for pilot to
manage flight.
Single 10.4" sun light rated LCD industrial display
1GB, 256MB display computer with no spinning media
All operating system and application contained on one CF card for easy
update
Very accurate air data computer that also picks up inputs from the
RV-10
Crossbow gyro: They are on track with a new model for January that I
will Beta.
System interfaces beautifully with a Garmin 430 or 530.
IFR mission: The ILS cross hairs are designed to give the feel of a jet
fighter going
after a target.
Integration into the RV-10: The display computer knows fuel levels,
flap position,
door sensors, and stall warning. It provides speed adjusted trim
sensitivity.
Less wiring than a VFR panel, less weight, less heat, less cutting of
the support
structure.
With a Garmin 430 & 330 the panel in N939SB has 2.5 levels of backup,
traffic,
terrain, and soon weather. And I had panel space left over for a map
box.
Very reliable: this is a big subject that requires its own forum. The
old thought that
you need two of everything falls apart as you increase MTBF
(measurable
reliability). You can increase reliability and reduce cost by
approaching the panel
with a good system design.
I have been presenting my design concepts to my local EAA 119 for two
years in various forms beginning with education to acutal demonstrations.
The only negative comment has been from commercial pilots that are not
comfortable unless every inch on the panel is covered with knobs or
displays. It just looks too simple to support all the features.
Just now Sara and I are still traveling after Copperstate. When I return I
will create a new subject called "Glass Panels" and provide pictures, more
on design goals, and expected costs of a panel using my components.
Bill DeRouchey
billderou@yahoo.com
N939SB - flying with a few pit stops.
Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis
Bill and Sara DeRouchey had their newly painted RV-10 @ Copperstate as
well, His paint scheme is a derivative of Van's 410 (only better) and
looks Terrific! But that's not the story. _Bill designed, built,
programmed and installed HIS OWN EFIS ! along with his own Air Data
Computer! _I had the pleasure of having him walk me through it in his
cockpit and it is AMAZING! Hopefully Bill will come up on the list and
respond, and add to the description. Bill, if you have any pics and are
ready to share them with the group please do so, what you've built is
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| Subject: | Re: Tunnel damage from rudder cable |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris" <toaster73@earthlink.net>
Someone made this mod already I saw it on some website can't recall. Was it
Dominici?
-Chris
#40072
----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:33 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tunnel damage from rudder cable
Randy (#006) got a ding on his DAR inspection for the connection of the
rudder pedal cables to pedal attachment. It was in regards to bolt, nut and
cotter pin orientation. The DAR was concerned that footwear would disengage
the attachment over time.
One of my 200+ changes was to weld a horizontal tab off each inboard
vertical pedal mount (cutting away the factory vertical attachment)and
scribe an arced cut-out into the tunnel sidewalls. The objective was to
keep the cables straight inside of the tunnel. Connection was from within
the tunnel, eliminating the connecting hardware on the outside sidewalls of
the tunnel. Every bend and every inch of tubing increases the resistance to
the cable movement.
John
#40600
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of John Hasbrouck
Sent: Sun 10/29/2006 8:29 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Tunnel damage from rudder cable
A while back there was a posting regarding damage to the tunnel side wall
from the rudder cables where they attach to the rudder pedals. I don't
remember a resolution to this issue. I'm at the point of mounting the
rudder pedals to the airframe and wondered if the problem was due to using
the more forward of the mounting points for the rudder bearing blocks.
Since the tunnel tapers as you move aft I surmise the more aft mounting
point for the rudder blocks would give more clearance. Was this a one time
problem? Those flying, what position did you use for the rudder pedals?
I'm 6' 3" and guess that I'd like as much room for my legs as possible.
John
#40264
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| Subject: | Re: Tunnel damage from rudder cable |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "orchidman" <gary@wingscc.com>
toaster73(at)earthlink.ne wrote:
> Someone made this mod already I saw it on some website can't recall. Was it
> Dominici?
> -Chris
> #40072
>
> ---
A friend and I went up to John Nys this weekend and I took these shots of a 10
he is working on in his shop. I think this is the type mod you are describing.
gary
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| Subject: | Project insurance during the build |
It's pretty much your choice. The only time you are really forced to
get any insurance is if you have a lien against the aircraft. Otherwise
you can self insure if you really wanted. Avemco has building insurance
for about $1 per $100 of your stated value (need receipts). I added
builders insurance a couple months back when I made the decision to move
from TX to WI. For one the project is still down there so I have no
control over anything going on where it is stored and for two, it will
be covered while in transit as I move it up here in about 3 weeks.
Prior to that I didn't feel the risk was outweighed by the expense. You
are correct thought that it is unlikely your homeowners insurance would
cover it. Just like it wouldn't cover your car if a tree fell on your
garage while it's parked inside.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 11:31 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Project insurance during the build
How is everyone insuring their project while building? I was told by my
agent that my home owners does not cover the project without a rider.
When do I need to get normal hull insurance? After certification and
airworthiness? Now?
Dave Leikam
#40496
N89DA Reserved
Tailcone in clecos
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| Subject: | Re: Project insurance during the build |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "KiloPapa" <kilopapa@antelecom.net>
AAA (California) advised me that the contents of the shop (on same property
as house) are covered up to the same limits as the dwelling.
Kevin
40494
tail/empennage
do not archive
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
> Is this the case if you are building in your home??
>
>
>>From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam@wi.rr.com>
>>How is everyone insuring their project while building? I was told by my
>>agent that my home owners does not cover the project without a rider.
>>When do I need to get normal hull insurance? After certification and
>>airworthiness? Now?
>>
>>Dave Leikam
>>#40496
>>N89DA Reserved
>>Tailcone in clecos
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| Subject: | Re: Project insurance during the build |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Get it in writing
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
do not archive
KiloPapa wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "KiloPapa" <kilopapa@antelecom.net>
>
> AAA (California) advised me that the contents of the shop (on same
> property as house) are covered up to the same limits as the dwelling.
>
> Kevin
> 40494
> tail/empennage
>
> do not archive
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez"
>> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>
>> Is this the case if you are building in your home??
>>
>>
>>> From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam@wi.rr.com>
>>
>
>>> How is everyone insuring their project while building? I was told
>>> by my agent that my home owners does not cover the project without a
>>> rider. When do I need to get normal hull insurance? After
>>> certification and airworthiness? Now?
>>>
>>> Dave Leikam
>>> #40496
>>> N89DA Reserved
>>> Tailcone in clecos
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Project insurance during the build |
Where are you in WI? I am in a suburb SE of Milwaukee.
Dave Leikam
Muskego, WI
40496
tailcone
----- Original Message -----
From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:06 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Project insurance during the build
It's pretty much your choice. The only time you are really forced
to get any insurance is if you have a lien against the aircraft.
Otherwise you can self insure if you really wanted. Avemco has building
insurance for about $1 per $100 of your stated value (need receipts). I
added builders insurance a couple months back when I made the decision
to move from TX to WI. For one the project is still down there so I
have no control over anything going on where it is stored and for two,
it will be covered while in transit as I move it up here in about 3
weeks. Prior to that I didn't feel the risk was outweighed by the
expense. You are correct thought that it is unlikely your homeowners
insurance would cover it. Just like it wouldn't cover your car if a
tree fell on your garage while it's parked inside.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 11:31 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Project insurance during the build
How is everyone insuring their project while building? I was told by
my agent that my home owners does not cover the project without a rider.
When do I need to get normal hull insurance? After certification and
airworthiness? Now?
Dave Leikam
#40496
N89DA Reserved
Tailcone in clecos
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