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0. 12:12 AM - If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! :-) (Matt Dralle)
1. 09:29 PM - Clarification On New Contribution Module Operation... (Matt Dralle)
2. 04:47 AM - Windshield replacement question (Wayne Edgerton)
3. 04:49 AM - Re: Re: Cables and heatCables and heat (Wayne Edgerton)
4. 06:45 AM - flap bushing install (Perry Casson)
5. 06:58 AM - Re: flap bushing install (James Hein)
6. 07:01 AM - Re: flap bushing install (Deems Davis)
7. 07:05 AM - Re: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! :-) ()
8. 07:07 AM - Re: flap bushing install (Rene Felker)
9. 07:16 AM - Re: Baggage Door Hinge (Nikolaos Napoli)
10. 07:28 AM - Re: flap bushing install (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
11. 07:39 AM - Re: Baggage Door Hinge (Deems Davis)
12. 07:49 AM - Re: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! :-) (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
13. 08:47 AM - Re: Before closing up the top of the TailconeBefore closing up the top of the Tailcone (Bill DeRouchey)
14. 09:11 AM - Re: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM (John Jessen)
15. 09:39 AM - hugorv10 ()
16. 09:48 AM - Re: Re: Archives and willingness to comment (jsmcgrew@aol.com)
17. 09:48 AM - Re: Before closing up the top of the TailconeBefore closing up the top of the Tailcone (John Jessen)
18. 10:12 AM - Re: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM (Les Kearney)
19. 10:58 AM - Re: Re: Archives and willingness to comment (LessDragProd@aol.com)
20. 01:51 PM - Re: Re: Archives and willingness to comment (John Dunne)
21. 02:21 PM - Re: aileron throw (Scott Schmidt)
22. 02:24 PM - New WD-415 (johngoodman)
23. 02:25 PM - Re: Re: Archives and willingness to comment (Chris)
24. 02:49 PM - Re: Re: Archives and willingness to comment (John Dunne)
25. 02:52 PM - Re: Re: Archives and willingness to comment (JOHN STARN)
26. 03:05 PM - Re: Re: Archives and willingness to comment ()
27. 03:17 PM - Re: flap bushing install (Rob Wright)
28. 03:18 PM - Turbo 10 (John Dunne)
29. 03:26 PM - Glueing foam ribs in HS and Elevator - Pro-seal or ? (MauleDriver)
30. 03:27 PM - Re: Re: Archives and willingness to comment (Nikolaos Napoli)
31. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: Archives and willingness to comment (JOHN STARN)
32. 04:32 PM - Re: New WD-415 (jdalton77)
33. 04:42 PM - Re: Glueing foam ribs in HS and Elevator - Pro-seal or ? (Michael Schipper)
34. 07:10 PM - Re: Re: Archives and willingness to comment (Tim Olson)
35. 07:20 PM - Re: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM (Rob Wright)
36. 07:35 PM - Re: aileron throw (John W. Cox)
37. 08:03 PM - Gear leg thread (Chris , Susie Darcy)
38. 08:32 PM - Re: flap bushing install (Perry Casson)
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| Subject: | If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! |
:-)
If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because you haven't
yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! This is the first PBS-like
funds drive message under the new distribution system. The new system selectively
sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those that forgot to whip
out the 'ol credit card this year to support the continued operation and upgrade
of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you wish PBS worked that way? :-)
You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support requests
messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email inbox!
Pardon me if I seem kind of excited about the new feature. I've wanted to
implement something like this for a number of years now, but it was always such
a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code, that I just kept
putting it off. Finally this year, I just decided to bite the bullet and put
the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few days later, bam! A working
system!
Anyway, I'll stop gushing now. I really do appreciate each and every one of your
individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support that enables
me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a List Site
like this. It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade Internet connection
and to pay the rather huge electric bill to keep the computer gear running
and the air conditioner powered up.
Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly
ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List site.
I'm pretty sure you don't either.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution today to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Clarification On New Contribution Module Operation... |
Dear Listers,
A number of Listers emailed and indicated that, even though they had made a Contribution
this year, they still received the Contribution message yesterday.
I looked into it and I found a slight anomaly (ok, bug) in the new code specifically
as it related to Listers that had made their Contribution through PayPal
AND have a DIFFERENT email address for their PayPal account and for their Matronics
List subscription.
If your PayPal account email address is DIFFERENT than the email address you are
subscribed to the Matronics List(s) as, then my new code module couldn't tell
that you had made a Contribution, since it was using the PayPal email address
instead of the List email.
I've fixed this issue for any new PayPal Contributions, but I don't have any easy
way of resolving this for any of the previous Contribtuions. Again, this is
ONLY an issue if your PayPal and Matronics List email addresses ARE NOT the
same. Otherwise, everything works great.
If you made a PayPal Contribution before 11/09/06 AND your email addresses don't
match, please drop me an email at " info@matronics.com " (do not reply to this
message!) and give me your Name, and both Email Addresses and I will manually
update the records so that things will work as advertised.
Sorry for the hassle! New code; new bugs... :-)
To make a Contribution, please see: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administration
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| Subject: | Windshield replacement question |
One of the guys who hangars where I'm building had a bird hit his RV7
windshield and broke it. They told me they took a torch and heated up
the area where it was bonded an it came right out with no problem. They
took it out and had a new one in within a couple of hours.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
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| Subject: | Re: Cables and heatCables and heat |
I was talking to George OrnDorff about wrapping the pipes after reading
it on Matronics and he told me that Larry Vetterman had told him that
they shouldn't be wrapped. Something to do with moisture, can't remember
the reason for sure.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
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| Subject: | flap bushing install |
Hi All,
I'm building slow build and due to Canadian inspection rules we have to deviate
from the
construction sequence in the manual a fair bit. Somewhere along the way I've missed
the
instructions on installing the bushings into the 1025A flap brackets. We looked
through the book
for 20 min. last night and did not find it. Could someone please tell me what
page it's on.
Thanks,
Perry Casson
Regina, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: flap bushing install |
Page 22-8
Pic attached.
-Jim 40384
Perry Casson wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I'm building slow build and due to Canadian inspection rules we have
> to deviate from the construction sequence in the manual a fair bit.
> Somewhere along the way I've missed the instructions on installing the
> bushings into the 1025A flap brackets. We looked through the book for
> 20 min. last night and did not find it. Could someone please tell me
> what page it's on.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Perry Casson
>
> Regina, Canada
>
>*
>
>
>*
>
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| Subject: | Re: flap bushing install |
Sec 22-8 step 13 figure # 4
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Perry Casson wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Im building slow build and due to Canadian inspection rules we have
> to deviate from the construction sequence in the manual a fair bit.
> Somewhere along the way Ive missed the instructions on installing the
> bushings into the 1025A flap brackets. We looked through the book for
> 20 min. last night and did not find it. Could someone please tell me
> what page its on.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Perry Casson
>
> Regina, Canada
>
>*
>
>
>*
>
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| Subject: | Re: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution |
Yet! :-)
YES I DID MAKE A CONTRIBUTION!
---- Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
>
> If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because you
haven't yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! This is the first PBS-like
funds drive message under the new distribution system. The new system selectively
sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those that forgot to whip
out the 'ol credit card this year to support the continued operation and upgrade
of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you wish PBS worked that way? :-)
>
> You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support requests
messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email inbox!
Pardon me if I seem kind of excited about the new feature. I've wanted
to implement something like this for a number of years now, but it was always
such a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code, that I just
kept putting it off. Finally this year, I just decided to bite the bullet and
put the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few days later, bam! A working
system!
>
> Anyway, I'll stop gushing now. I really do appreciate each and every one of
your individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support that enables
me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a List
Site like this. It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade Internet connection
and to pay the rather huge electric bill to keep the computer gear running
and the air conditioner powered up.
>
> Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept
exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List site.
I'm pretty sure you don't either.
>
> If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution today to keep it that way!!
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> Thank you!
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Administrator
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | flap bushing install |
I can not remember where the instructions were, but make sure you have your
bottom skins on first before to press them in. Sorry, I do not have my
plans here to find the reference.
Rene' Felker
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry Casson
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:45 AM
Subject: RV10-List: flap bushing install
Hi All,
I'm building slow build and due to Canadian inspection rules we have to
deviate from the construction sequence in the manual a fair bit. Somewhere
along the way I've missed the instructions on installing the bushings into
the 1025A flap brackets. We looked through the book for 20 min. last night
and did not find it. Could someone please tell me what page it's on.
Thanks,
Perry Casson
Regina, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage Door Hinge |
Well I looked at method number 1 this morning and I don't think its such a
good idea. The hole would have to be riding the radius of the longeron. T
hats not such a good thing. I think I will use methond #2. Its also possi
ble to remove the door and use method 2 later on by simply drilling out the
rivets (door frame to hinge) =0A =0ANiko=0A40188=0A=0A=0A----- Original Me
ssage ----=0AFrom: Nikolaos Napoli <owl40188@yahoo.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@mat
ronics.com=0ASent: Monday, November 6, 2006 3:16:10 PM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-
List: Baggage Door Hinge=0A=0A=0ARick=0A =0AThose are good ideas. I will t
ry #1.=0A =0A =0ADo not archive=0A =0AThanks again for all the responses.
=0A =0ANiko=0A40182=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Rick Gra
y <rickgray@roadrunner.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, N
ovember 6, 2006 1:25:09 PM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Baggage Door Hinge=0A
=0A=0AOK....here's 2 options that I came up with that will allow EASY remov
al of the door with NO RISK of scratching the paint on the airplane:=0A =0A
1-install the cabin side of the hinge with platenuts....when/if you need to
remove the door you simply remove the platenut screws and the door comes o
ff WITH BOTH SIDES of the hinge....savvy??=0A =0A2-drill a 3/32 hole in the
longeron ABOVE the hinge pin. Make the pin longer than it needs to be and
you can easily remove the pin from INSIDE the airplane. The small portion o
f the pin inside can be 'dressed up', hidden, or covered by the headliner..
.your choice.....savvy??=0A =0AEither option above allows you to recess the
hinge more than the plans....read: your hinge is NOT hangin' out in the br
eeze. Again...NO CHANCE of scratching airplane paint.=0A =0AI chose option
2 and am very pleased with the result.=0A =0ANo charge for this one :^).=0A
=0ARick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm - too many projects to list - RV10 nea
ring completion=0Ahttp://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/=0A----- Orig
inal Message ----- =0AFrom: Nikolaos Napoli =0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Monday, November 06, 2006 11:46 AM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Bagga
ge Door Hinge=0A=0A=0A =0AJesse and Rob thanks yor your replies=0A =0AIt lo
oked like I would have an easier time inserting the pin from the bottom rat
her than the top, however, obviously this would not be acceptable as the pi
n could fall out during flight. My hinge does stick out just a slight bit
but it sticks out about the same amount top and bottom. I didn't see anyth
ing in the manual talking about this. Well I can always cut the hinge if I
need to take it out. Maybe a light thinning of the diameter and some lubr
icating oil would get it in/out. =0A =0AThanks=0A =0ANiko=0A40188=0A=0A=0A
=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Jesse Saint <jesse@itecusa.org>=0ATo
: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, November 6, 2006 10:01:35 AM=0ASu
bject: RE: RV10-List: Baggage Door Hinge=0A=0A=0AThe design and the plans h
ave it so the top of the hinge sticks out just a little bit so you can pull
the pin from the top. It is all sits flush, you will have a very hard tim
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door hinge wire in place. It looks like on my installation once the door
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| Subject: | flap bushing install |
It is on page 22-8, Figure 4, bottom
Hope this helps
Dan
40269 (N289DT)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry Casson
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:45 AM
Subject: RV10-List: flap bushing install
Hi All,
I'm building slow build and due to Canadian inspection rules we have to
deviate from the construction sequence in the manual a fair bit.
Somewhere along the way I've missed the instructions on installing the
bushings into the 1025A flap brackets. We looked through the book for
20 min. last night and did not find it. Could someone please tell me
what page it's on.
Thanks,
Perry Casson
Regina, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage Door Hinge |
Niko. I wasn't as smart as Rick, and didn't think of his options. I
found out that I had a clearance issue after I recessed the hinge more
than the plans allowed for. I ended up removing some of the fuse skin in
the fwd upper corner sufficient to allow for pin insertion and removal
when the door is open. As you will see from the pic in the link, it
leaves a small gap, that I will close by pro-sealing a piece of ,032 to
the top corner of the baggage door, so that when it's closed, the gap
will close also.
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2034%20Baggage%20Door/slides/DSC02782.html
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Nikolaos Napoli wrote:
> Well I looked at method number 1 this morning and I don't think its
> such a good idea. The hole would have to be riding the radius of the
> longeron. Thats not such a good thing. I think I will use methond
> #2. Its also possible to remove the door and use method 2 later on by
> simply drilling out the rivets (door frame to hinge)
>
> Niko
> 40188
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Nikolaos Napoli <owl40188@yahoo.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, November 6, 2006 3:16:10 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Baggage Door Hinge
>
> Rick
>
> Those are good ideas. I will try #1.
>
>
> Do not archive
>
> Thanks again for all the responses.
>
>
> Niko
>
> 40182
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Rick Gray <rickgray@roadrunner.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, November 6, 2006 1:25:09 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Baggage Door Hinge
>
> OK....here's 2 options that I came up with that will allow EASY
> removal of the door with NO RISK of scratching the paint on the airplane:
>
> 1-install the cabin side of the hinge with platenuts....when/if you
> need to remove the door you simply remove the platenut screws and the
> door comes off WITH BOTH SIDES of the hinge....savvy??
>
> 2-drill a 3/32 hole in the longeron ABOVE the hinge pin. Make the pin
> longer than it needs to be and you can easily remove the pin from
> INSIDE the airplane. The small portion of the pin inside can be
> 'dressed up', hidden, or covered by the headliner...your
> choice.....savvy??
>
> Either option above allows you to recess the hinge more than the
> plans....read: your hinge is NOT hangin' out in the breeze. Again...NO
> CHANCE of scratching airplane paint.
>
> I chose option 2 and am very pleased with the result.
>
> No charge for this one :^).
>
> Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm - too many projects to list - RV10
> nearing completion
> http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Nikolaos Napoli <mailto:owl40188@yahoo.com>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 06, 2006 11:46 AM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Baggage Door Hinge
>
>
> Jesse and Rob thanks yor your replies
>
> It looked like I would have an easier time inserting the pin from
> the bottom rather than the top, however, obviously this would not
> be acceptable as the pin could fall out during flight. My
> hinge does stick out just a slight bit but it sticks out about the
> same amount top and bottom. I didn't see anything in the manual
> talking about this. Well I can always cut the hinge if I need to
> take it out. Maybe a light thinning of the diameter and some
> lubricating oil would get it in/out.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Niko
>
> 40188
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jesse Saint <jesse@itecusa.org>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, November 6, 2006 10:01:35 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Baggage Door Hinge
>
> The design and the plans have it so the top of the hinge sticks
> out just a little bit so you can pull the pin from the top. It is
> all sits flush, you will have a very hard time removing the pin,
> which is what you are saying, I think. You might want to check
> the plans and make sure you didnt misread the way you were
> supposed to install it.
>
>
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> I-TEC, Inc.
>
> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
>
> W: 352-465-4545
>
> C: 352-427-0285
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Nikolaos Napoli
> *Sent:* Monday, November 06, 2006 9:40 AM
> *To:* Matronics
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Baggage Door Hinge
>
>
>
> I was going to rivet the Baggage Door Hinge Frame to the Side
> Skins this weekend and noticed that once I do this it will be
> difficult to install the door and get the door hinge wire in
> place. It looks like on my installation once the door is
> installed one can't pull out the hinge wire. In fact I need to
> install the door hinge wire and door prior to riveting the door
> hinge frame. Is this typicall to what other builders experienced?
>
>
>
> thanks
>
>
> Niko
>
> 40188
>
>* *
>
>* *
>
>**
>
>**
>
>**
>
>*www.aeroelectric.com*
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Yet! :-)
Easy, it is new code and he probably has to work the bugs out. Either
way take it up with Matt directly, we all don't need to hear about it.
I also contributed and I also got the email but I sent him a response
directly.
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Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Before closing up the top of the TailconeBefore closing |
up the top of the Tailcone
My recommendation is to not button down the top three tail skins until everything
else is completed on the entire aircraft. You can start and even perform slow
taxi tests with these skins off. If you are going to install a remote magnetometer
or AHRS you can swing the compass and relocate the unit as needed. Keep
all clecos away from the AHRS as they are iron based.
I have constructed a simple shelf aftmost between the main fuselage longeron
and the elevator trim servo mechanism. My first AHRS in installed in that location
was affected by the trim servo motor (not running). I scrapped this AHRS
for other reasons and now tasked to locate the Cross-bow properly.
You can not locate the AHRS just behind the baggage bulkhead no matter how high
it is installed above the floor. Variable magnetic fields from the baggage
will affect your heading information in uncontrollable ways.
The Cross-bow has a good hard iron calibration routine so my next approach will
be to locate it far aft and calibrate the magnetic interferrence from the trim
servo motor out of the heading. With this approach there is only one source
of interferrence.
My suggestion is to delay installation of the three top skins to the very end.
I will report back after I am satisfied with my AHRS installation.
Bill DeRouchey
billderou@yahoo.com
N939SB, flying with a few pit stops
Chris <toaster73@earthlink.net> wrote:
I'd consider the ability to keep it water tight as well.
One other way of thinking about these considerations is just to not bother
planning ahead. Just finish the airframe and then install the various
pieces of gear. then you will be sure that it can be serviced later and you
will have figured out the best way to contort yourself to get at it for the
future maintenance.
-Chris Lucas
#40072 (cabin side skins)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deems Davis"
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Before closing up the top of the TailconeBefore
closing up the top of the Tailcone
>
> Good point Kelly !, thanks for keeping this Dreamer grounded in a safer
> reality. Could it be accomplished by installing sufficient doublers around
> the opening? And rather than making it hinged, using closely spaced
> nutplates to attach the access?
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
> Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
>>
>> Be careful. I would expect the exterior skins in that area to be
>> considered part of the stressed monocoque. Might be better to have
>> access panel as part of the rear baggage compartment panel, as many
>> Cessnas do.
>>
>> On 11/7/06, Deems Davis wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Something I was reminded recently of was the issue of serviceability.
>>> There is a lot of space behind the baggage bulkhead, and potentially
>>> room for things like Oxygen, air Conditioning, AHRS, Strobe power
>>> supply, ELT, Elevator servo, Batteries, contactors, etc. etc. With the
>>> tailcone disconnected, and with the top fuse skin at the rear of the
>>> cabin off, it's easy to get to these areas, but how will that be
>>> accomplished when everything is riveted/bolted up, just a thought to
>>> throw into the mix, its caused me to think seriously about adding a
>>> hinged access door/panel that would be located behind the baggage
>>> bulkhead top skin and forward of the tailcone top skin.
>>>
>>> Deems Davis # 406
>>> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
>>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Jessen wrote:
>>>
>>> > So, is there a reason to locate where Russ has done, or to locate
>>> > behind the F-1007, further away from the battery? I'm trying to keep
>>> > the area above the battery free for a future hat shelf, but don't want
>>> > to place things too far aft if there is a reason one should keep the
>>> > AHRS and magnetometer closer to, say, the mid of the plane. If either
>>> > is back further into the tailcone, could that mess up their readings?
>>> >
>>> > John Jessen
>>> > 40328 (closing the tailcone as soon as I locate the shelf for the
>>> > AHRS/magnetometer)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>>> > *Russell Daves
>>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 07, 2006 3:55 AM
>>> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Before closing up the top of the
>>> > TailconeBefore closing up the top of the Tailcone
>>> >
>>> > I installed my most forward cross member as close to the F-1006 as
>>> > possible, and just behind the bolts joining the F-1046 and F-1032
>>> > Longerons together, almost directly above the battery. I have had
>>> > no problems with interference, except where I failed to use brass
>>> > bolts and washers to install the magnameter onto the shelf.
>>> >
>>> > Since the duel AHRS and magnameters are all on a shelf next to
>>> > each other in the center of the fuselage the left and right seat
>>> > belt cables just cross above the cross members and are no
>>> > problem. If you were to install the AHRS or magnameter next to
>>> > the fuselage side wall they could cause interference.
>>> >
>>> > Best regards,
>>> >
>>> > Russ Daves
>>> > N710RV flying
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| Subject: | Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM |
Les, just make sure that the primer you use for the interior of the
fuselage, which you might want to paint, is compatible with your paint.
The
rest of the interior can be whatever you want. It won't be painted.
John Jessen
#40328
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:06 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
Hmmm
John, choosing wisely can be difficult if one is in the dark. From all I
have been able to read, priming is a very dark art. That being said, my
plan
is to prime only interior components and to leave the exterior surfaces
to
the experts.
On the other hand, I do know a very good paint shop and perhaps will
have a
chat with them just to be sure=85.
Cheers
Les Kearney
RV10 # 40643 - Vertical Stab
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:57 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
The most tragic conclusion is finding that a specific selection of
primer is
not compatible for long term adhesion of the Top Coat selected later.
The
decisions need to go hand in hand.
Choose Wisely.
John Cox
#600
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 4:45 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
Hi All
A few weeks ago I asked about priming. After a lot of thought, I decided
against most of the products currently in use primarily because I
didn=92t
want to use really noxious chemicals in an attached garage. As well,
volatile hydrocarbons may have been interesting to use in the presence
of a
natgas garage heater.
The product I decided to use is Sherwin Williams DTM (direct to metal)
primer. It is water based and not as chemically interesting as other
products. Today was day 2 of construction and my first experience with
priming. I found the DTM easy to use with a standard air sprayer. Odor
wise,
it wasn=92t all that bad although I did use a cartridge air mask just to
be
safe as it was too cold to do this outside. It takes only a couple of
hours
to dry and seems to be reasonably scratch resistant.
Can any of the primer experts on the list provide guidance as to how
thick
primer should be applied? Looking at the results of my work, it is
apparent
that I wasn=92t consistent in the application. Some parts seemed to have
a
much heaver coat than others. On some parts the primer is translucent
while
on others it covers completely. My feeling is that I should go lighter
rather than heavier but am not sure.
Comments? Suggestions?
Inquiring minds need to know =85
Les Kearney
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good morning at all.
I'm ready to order the three lever throttle quadrant,Van's is 550 .00 and Aircraft
Spruce is 195.00
Any body have some experience and explain what is different in the two products.
Thanks for the time.
Cheers,hugo
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Here's my opinion on this subject:
This list was (and is) a valuable resource to getting my RV-10 done. I do my best
to send pictures and descriptions of how I did things in hope of helping out
others. I have become a bit reluctant to comment as of late. It's frustrating
to throw an idea or a question out there only to be met with soap box lectures
on building practices.
Everyone should feel comfortable sending out a post. Let's keep this a friendly
and open sharing of ideas!!!
Jim
40134 - Flying
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Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
AV8ORJWC wrote:
> Maybe those archives are getting a workout? Any opinion, before I go back to
the silence?
What I find curious is the fact that a lot of the most informative, prolific
posters on the list have a generic "Do Not Archive" appended to their
signatures. What's up with that? :-O
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| Subject: | Before closing up the top of the TailconeBefore closing |
up the top of the Tailcone
Well, one thing for sure, it all depends on which glass unit you decide on.
Rob's 3500 has the AHRS in the unit. The Chelton's have both remote, with
some placing the magnetometer in the wing, the AHRS in various locations.
Etc Etc. I'm not quite settled on the panel, and not quite settled on air
conditioning, or a hat shelf, so will place a "shelf" aft of the F-1007,
just in case, to hold whatever, or nothing. I almost agree to wait for the
top skinning, but then you have a major component not done. Others have
closed it up, made their decisions, crawled around in amazing contorted
positions to install, and are doing nicely flying from coast to coast.
So.... I'll compromise and move on. I've been on this tailcone for an
eternity and would like to get off of it.
John Jessen
#40328
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill DeRouchey
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Before closing up the top of the TailconeBefore
closing up the top of the Tailcone
My recommendation is to not button down the top three tail skins until
everything else is completed on the entire aircraft. You can start and even
perform slow taxi tests with these skins off. If you are going to install a
remote magnetometer or AHRS you can swing the compass and relocate the unit
as needed. Keep all clecos away from the AHRS as they are iron based.
I have constructed a simple shelf aftmost between the main fuselage longeron
and the elevator trim servo mechanism. My first AHRS in installed in that
location was affected by the trim servo motor (not running). I scrapped this
AHRS for other reasons and now tasked to locate the Cross-bow properly.
You can not locate the AHRS just behind the baggage bulkhead no matter how
high it is installed above the floor. Variable magnetic fields from the
baggage will affect your heading information in uncontrollable ways.
The Cross-bow has a good hard iron calibration routine so my next approach
will be to locate it far aft and calibrate the magnetic interferrence from
the trim servo motor out of the heading. With this approach there is only
one source of interferrence.
My suggestion is to delay installation of the three top skins to the very
end. I will report back after I am satisfied with my AHRS installation.
Bill DeRouchey
HYPERLINK "mailto:billderou@yahoo.com"billderou@yahoo.com
N939SB, flying with a few pit stops
Chris <toaster73@earthlink.net> wrote:
I'd consider the ability to keep it water tight as well.
One other way of thinking about these considerations is just to not bother
planning ahead. Just finish the airframe and then install the various
pieces of gear. then you will be sure that it can be serviced later and you
will have figured out the best way to contort yourself to get at it for the
future maintenance.
-Chris Lucas
#40072 (cabin side skins)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deems Davis"
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Before closing up the top of the TailconeBefore
closing up the top of the Tailcone
>
> Good point Kelly !, thanks for keeping this Dreamer grounded in a safer
> reality. Could it be accomplished by installing sufficient doublers around
> the opening? And rather than making it hinged, using closely spaced
> nutplates to attach the access?
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
> Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
>>
>> Be careful. I would expect the exterior skins in that area to be
>> considered part of the stressed monocoque. Might be better to have
>> access panel as part of the rear baggage compartment panel, as many
>> Cessnas do.
>>
>> On 11/7/06, Deems Davis wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Something I was reminded recently of was the issue of serviceability.
>>> There is a lot of space behind the baggage bulkhead, and potentially
>>> room for things like Oxygen, air Conditioning, AHRS, Strobe power
>>> supply, ELT, Elevator servo, Batteries, contactors, etc. etc. With the
>>> tailcone disconnected, and with the top fuse skin at the rear of the
>>> cabin off, it's easy to get to these areas, but how will that be
>>> accomplished when everything is riveted/bolted up, just a thought to
>>> throw into the mix, its caused me to think seriously about adding a
>>> hinged access door/panel that would be located behind the baggage
>>> bulkhead top skin and forward of the tailcone top skin.
>>>
>>> Deems Davis # 406
>>> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
>>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Jessen wrote:
>>>
>>> > So, is there a reason to locate where Russ has done, or to locate
>>> > behind the F-1007, further away from the battery? I'm trying to keep
>>> > the area above the battery free for a future hat shelf, but don't want
>>> > to place things too far aft if there is a reason one should keep the
>>> > AHRS and magnetometer closer to, say, the mid of the plane. If either
>>> > is back further into the tailcone, could that mess up their readings?
>>> >
>>> > John Jessen
>>> > 40328 (closing the tailcone as soon as I locate the shelf for the
>>> > AHRS/magnetometer)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>>> > *Russell Daves
>>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 07, 2006 3:55 AM
>>> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Before closing up the top of the
>>> > TailconeBefore closing up the top of the Tailcone
>>> >
>>> > I installed my most forward cross member as close to the F-1006 as
>>> > possible, and just behind the bolts joining the F-1046 and F-1032
>>> > Longerons together, almost directly above the battery. I have had
>>> > no problems with interference, except where I failed to use brass
>>> > bolts and washers to install the magnameter onto the shelf.
>>> >
>>> > Since the duel AHRS and magnameters are all on a shelf next to
>>> > each other in the center of the fuselage the left and right seat
>>> > belt cables just cross above the cross members and are no
>>> > problem. If you were to install the AHRS or magnameter next to
>>> > the fuselage side wall they could cause interference.
>>> >
>>> > Best regards,
>>> >
>>> > Russ Daves
>>> > N710RV flying
>>> >
>>> >
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| Subject: | Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM |
John
Thanks for the heads up. For the moment I am focused on the tail
section. I
am leaning towards a QB fuse / wings which I believe comes pre-primed.
If I
do go the with a slow build fuse your point becomes quite relevant. I
hadn't
(at this point) really thought about painted surfaces in the cockpit
area.
Cheers
Les Kearney
RV10 # 40643 - Vertical Stab
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:10 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
Les, just make sure that the primer you use for the interior of the
fuselage, which you might want to paint, is compatible with your paint.
The
rest of the interior can be whatever you want. It won't be painted.
John Jessen
#40328
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:06 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
Hmmm
John, choosing wisely can be difficult if one is in the dark. From all I
have been able to read, priming is a very dark art. That being said, my
plan
is to prime only interior components and to leave the exterior surfaces
to
the experts.
On the other hand, I do know a very good paint shop and perhaps will
have a
chat with them just to be sure..
Cheers
Les Kearney
RV10 # 40643 - Vertical Stab
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:57 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
The most tragic conclusion is finding that a specific selection of
primer is
not compatible for long term adhesion of the Top Coat selected later.
The
decisions need to go hand in hand.
Choose Wisely.
John Cox
#600
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 4:45 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
Hi All
A few weeks ago I asked about priming. After a lot of thought, I decided
against most of the products currently in use primarily because I didn't
want to use really noxious chemicals in an attached garage. As well,
volatile hydrocarbons may have been interesting to use in the presence
of a
natgas garage heater.
The product I decided to use is Sherwin Williams DTM (direct to metal)
primer. It is water based and not as chemically interesting as other
products. Today was day 2 of construction and my first experience with
priming. I found the DTM easy to use with a standard air sprayer. Odor
wise,
it wasn't all that bad although I did use a cartridge air mask just to
be
safe as it was too cold to do this outside. It takes only a couple of
hours
to dry and seems to be reasonably scratch resistant.
Can any of the primer experts on the list provide guidance as to how
thick
primer should be applied? Looking at the results of my work, it is
apparent
that I wasn't consistent in the application. Some parts seemed to have a
much heaver coat than others. On some parts the primer is translucent
while
on others it covers completely. My feeling is that I should go lighter
rather than heavier but am not sure.
Comments? Suggestions?
Inquiring minds need to know .
Les Kearney
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I hope your appeal doesn't fall on "deaf ears", as the saying goes.
My experience has been that there is always at least one person that insists
(demands) the list has to work "within the box" he has created. i.e., no
independent thought.
This eliminates the possibility of creating synergy on the list. As a
result, there can be no creative development on the list.
Perhaps it is enough to simply help each other understand the plans and the
parts provided; in other to complete the aircraft as designed. NOT!
Regards,
Jim Ayers
Modified HR2 :-)
In a message dated 11/08/2006 9:52:12 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jsmcgrew@aol.com writes:
Here's my opinion on this subject:
This list was (and is) a valuable resource to getting my RV-10 done. I do my
best to send pictures and descriptions of how I did things in hope of
helping out others. I have become a bit reluctant to comment as of late. It's
frustrating to throw an idea or a question out there only to be met with soap
box
lectures on building practices.
Everyone should feel comfortable sending out a post. Let's keep this a
friendly and open sharing of ideas!!!
Jim
40134 - Flying
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And my opinion..
There is a lot of good info in the archives now, all credit to certain
individuals and a good library reference has been well established. We have
all at one time or another been politely or otherwise, encouraged to use the
archives, save a lot of you diligent replyees going over the same old
ground.
It has been put forward as a point on more than one occasion that the
discussions, however repetitive, should still be put out there to encourage
more dialogue one way or the other. There are some fantastic web sites and
more information than you need to complete a satisfactory project based on
what can be gleaned from the ideas available, however nothing beats the
"throw it out there" scenario to discover things you just didn't know. More
of a "devils advocate" approach ....like the delta wing I'm trialing on my
-10 ;-)
I'd suggest the ground work of the list has been brilliantly laid and a lot
of it has moved into the "Now Flying" category. We still need the next wave
of beginners asking the same beginning questions but we also need to
encourage a broader range of topics amongst the established builders in the
mid range of their projects beyond primers, bigger engines, 2 versus 3 blade
props. I personally like the "think out aloud" approach that certain people
are good at. It attracts some good e-bate on occasions and I think that is
part of the learn for us less knowledgeable.
Also, the quality of this list suggests anything other than amateur corner
and that can sometimes have a negative result when it comes to
contributions.
John 40315 (midway motivational lull.did anyone else get this?)
Do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jsmcgrew@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2006 3:48 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
Here's my opinion on this subject:
This list was (and is) a valuable resource to getting my RV-10 done. I do my
best to send pictures and descriptions of how I did things in hope of
helping out others. I have become a bit reluctant to comment as of late.
It's frustrating to throw an idea or a question out there only to be met
with soap box lectures on building practices.
Everyone should feel comfortable sending out a post. Let's keep this a
friendly and open sharing of ideas!!!
Jim
40134 - Flying
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From: swilliams5688@wideopenwest.com
Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
<mailto:swilliams5688%40wideopenwest.com> >
AV8ORJWC wrote:
> Maybe those archives are getting a workout? Any opinion, before I go back
to
the silence?
What I find curious is the fact that a lot of the most informative, prolific
posters on the list have a generic "Do Not Archive" appended to their
signatures. What's up with that? :-O
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You definitely do not want your stick hitting anything at all. My stick
was hitting on full down because of my Aerocrafters panel that hangs
about 1.5 inches lower than the stock panel and the Infinity grips are a
little taller. I had to higher a tig welder to come out and weld about
a 1 inch extension to the stick which brings it back, away from the
panel. Now during my preflight I can work the control surfaces with full
deflection and not hit anything.
N104XP - 35 hours
Scott Schmidt
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 8:30 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: aileron throw
Sergei Boriak (Russian Aerobatic Champion) locked our stick grip (in a
Red Star Aircraft)under the instrument panel during Aerobatic Dual
maneuvering. No one thought it was possible. It leaves a life altering
experience. The maneuver set up the scenario. The aircraft contortion
closed the distance. Metal has memory, Metal flexes and bends.
Although the RV-10 will seldom be in aerobatic configuration. I would
never design an aircraft which could get in that stick configuration
again. "Design for Aerobatic, Load for Utility, fly in Normal
configuration". Adrenalin can be a great thing as your life passes in
your hand(s) while you say - "Damn!"
I want full ability to input full UNRESTRICTED control movement to
correct any conceivable configuration and I want it "NOW". Sorry Jesse,
now offense intended.
"Safety first, safety always".... I like your question Steven. Design
for all possibilities, not just the common ones. Just IMHO. Sounds
like the answer from Rob is 12.5" from full left to full right or 6.25
left and right of neutral. Any second confirmations? I believe the
elevator movement is greater and that one needs posting that as well due
to contact with the center of the switch panel.
While we are at it, could we get a Full rudder forward and Full rudder
aft measurement too? That means Rudder stop to Rudder stop but measured
at the foot pedals.
John Cox
(503) 453-6016
Do not Archive
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 6:33 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: aileron throw
Although I understand the concern, I don't think I would worry too much
about having full travel, because except during your control check, I
can't
imagine EVER going full travel on the controls (especially since we
aren't
aerobatic). Moving two inches to the left or right will get you into a
pretty steep turn, and two inches forward or back will get you very
nose-high or nose-low. We also cut the sticks all the way down and put
the
Infinity Aerospace grips as far down as they will go to clear the panel,
but
if we ever got close to the panel in flight, the moron flying would be
trying some kind of snap-outside-loop or something, which I certainly
would
not want to be a part of. Pulling all the way back on landing is the
only
one that would be common, when you flare.
Just IMHO, so do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven
DiNieri
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 2:09 AM
Subject: RV10-List: aileron throw
<capsteve@adelphia.net>
Can anyone (rv10) with their wings on tell me how much throw is
in
the control stick in the aileron direction? Probably be easiest to just
measure from left sidewall to the stick deflected to the left and the
distance from the left sidewall to the stick with right deflection of
aileron. I'm scratch building a panel and need to ensure clearance.. thx
Steve d
40205
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Here is a photo of my new WD-415s from RivetHead that just arrived today. They
are next to the ones from Van's - not Van's new WD-415-1s.
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John
What do you consider midway?
-Chris Lucas
#40072 (cabin side skins)
do not archive
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From: John Dunne
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
And my opinion..
There is a lot of good info in the archives now, all credit to certain
individuals and a good library reference has been well established. We
have all at one time or another been politely or otherwise, encouraged
to use the archives, save a lot of you diligent replyees going over the
same old ground.
It has been put forward as a point on more than one occasion that the
discussions, however repetitive, should still be put out there to
encourage more dialogue one way or the other. There are some fantastic
web sites and more information than you need to complete a satisfactory
project based on what can be gleaned from the ideas available, however
nothing beats the "throw it out there" scenario to discover things you
just didn't know. More of a "devils advocate" approach ....like the
delta wing I'm trialing on my -10 ;-)
I'd suggest the ground work of the list has been brilliantly laid and
a lot of it has moved into the "Now Flying" category. We still need the
next wave of beginners asking the same beginning questions but we also
need to encourage a broader range of topics amongst the established
builders in the mid range of their projects beyond primers, bigger
engines, 2 versus 3 blade props. I personally like the "think out aloud"
approach that certain people are good at. It attracts some good e-bate
on occasions and I think that is part of the learn for us less
knowledgeable.
Also, the quality of this list suggests anything other than amateur
corner and that can sometimes have a negative result when it comes to
contributions.
John 40315 (midway motivational lull.did anyone else get this?)
Do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jsmcgrew@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2006 3:48 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
Here's my opinion on this subject:
This list was (and is) a valuable resource to getting my RV-10 done. I
do my best to send pictures and descriptions of how I did things in hope
of helping out others. I have become a bit reluctant to comment as of
late. It's frustrating to throw an idea or a question out there only to
be met with soap box lectures on building practices.
Everyone should feel comfortable sending out a post. Let's keep this a
friendly and open sharing of ideas!!!
Jim
40134 - Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: swilliams5688@wideopenwest.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
<swilliams5688@wideopenwest.com>
AV8ORJWC wrote:
> Maybe those archives are getting a workout? Any opinion, before I
go back to
the silence?
What I find curious is the fact that a lot of the most informative,
prolific
posters on the list have a generic "Do Not Archive" appended to their
signatures. What's up with that? :-O
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Good question Chris. Maybe the cabin cover installation?
John 40315
Do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2006 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
John
What do you consider midway?
-Chris Lucas
#40072 (cabin side skins)
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: John <mailto:acs@acspropeller.com.au> Dunne
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
And my opinion..
There is a lot of good info in the archives now, all credit to certain
individuals and a good library reference has been well established. We have
all at one time or another been politely or otherwise, encouraged to use the
archives, save a lot of you diligent replyees going over the same old
ground.
It has been put forward as a point on more than one occasion that the
discussions, however repetitive, should still be put out there to encourage
more dialogue one way or the other. There are some fantastic web sites and
more information than you need to complete a satisfactory project based on
what can be gleaned from the ideas available, however nothing beats the
"throw it out there" scenario to discover things you just didn't know. More
of a "devils advocate" approach ....like the delta wing I'm trialing on my
-10 ;-)
I'd suggest the ground work of the list has been brilliantly laid and a lot
of it has moved into the "Now Flying" category. We still need the next wave
of beginners asking the same beginning questions but we also need to
encourage a broader range of topics amongst the established builders in the
mid range of their projects beyond primers, bigger engines, 2 versus 3 blade
props. I personally like the "think out aloud" approach that certain people
are good at. It attracts some good e-bate on occasions and I think that is
part of the learn for us less knowledgeable.
Also, the quality of this list suggests anything other than amateur corner
and that can sometimes have a negative result when it comes to
contributions.
John 40315 (midway motivational lull.did anyone else get this?)
Do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jsmcgrew@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2006 3:48 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
Here's my opinion on this subject:
This list was (and is) a valuable resource to getting my RV-10 done. I do my
best to send pictures and descriptions of how I did things in hope of
helping out others. I have become a bit reluctant to comment as of late.
It's frustrating to throw an idea or a question out there only to be met
with soap box lectures on building practices.
Everyone should feel comfortable sending out a post. Let's keep this a
friendly and open sharing of ideas!!!
Jim
40134 - Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: swilliams5688@wideopenwest.com
Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
<mailto:swilliams5688%40wideopenwest.com> >
AV8ORJWC wrote:
> Maybe those archives are getting a workout? Any opinion, before I go back
to
the silence?
What I find curious is the fact that a lot of the most informative, prolific
posters on the list have a generic "Do Not Archive" appended to their
signatures. What's up with that? :-O
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That's someone who thinks he's 90% done BUT everyone who's been there
knows he's still 90% to go. 8*)
KABONG (GBA& GWB) Do Not Archive
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From: Chris
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
John
What do you consider midway?
-Chris Lucas
#40072 (cabin side skins)
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: John Dunne
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
And my opinion..
There is a lot of good info in the archives now, all credit to
certain individuals and a good library reference has been well
established. We have all at one time or another been politely or
otherwise, encouraged to use the archives, save a lot of you diligent
replyees going over the same old ground.
It has been put forward as a point on more than one occasion that
the discussions, however repetitive, should still be put out there to
encourage more dialogue one way or the other. There are some fantastic
web sites and more information than you need to complete a satisfactory
project based on what can be gleaned from the ideas available, however
nothing beats the "throw it out there" scenario to discover things you
just didn't know. More of a "devils advocate" approach ....like the
delta wing I'm trialing on my -10 ;-)
I'd suggest the ground work of the list has been brilliantly laid
and a lot of it has moved into the "Now Flying" category. We still need
the next wave of beginners asking the same beginning questions but we
also need to encourage a broader range of topics amongst the established
builders in the mid range of their projects beyond primers, bigger
engines, 2 versus 3 blade props. I personally like the "think out aloud"
approach that certain people are good at. It attracts some good e-bate
on occasions and I think that is part of the learn for us less
knowledgeable.
Also, the quality of this list suggests anything other than amateur
corner and that can sometimes have a negative result when it comes to
contributions.
John 40315 (midway motivational lull.did anyone else get this?)
Do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jsmcgrew@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2006 3:48 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
Here's my opinion on this subject:
This list was (and is) a valuable resource to getting my RV-10 done.
I do my best to send pictures and descriptions of how I did things in
hope of helping out others. I have become a bit reluctant to comment as
of late. It's frustrating to throw an idea or a question out there only
to be met with soap box lectures on building practices.
Everyone should feel comfortable sending out a post. Let's keep this
a friendly and open sharing of ideas!!!
Jim
40134 - Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: swilliams5688@wideopenwest.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
<swilliams5688@wideopenwest.com>
AV8ORJWC wrote:
> Maybe those archives are getting a workout? Any opinion, before I
go back to
the silence?
What I find curious is the fact that a lot of the most informative,
prolific
posters on the list have a generic "Do Not Archive" appended to
their
signatures. What's up with that? :-O
--------
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I was told that when you order your finishing kit, you are half done.
Steve Mills
RV-10 40486 Slow-build
Naperville, Illinois
finishing fuselage
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:52 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
That's someone who thinks he's 90% done BUT everyone who's been there
knows he's still 90% to go. 8*)
KABONG (GBA& GWB) Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
John
What do you consider midway?
-Chris Lucas
#40072 (cabin side skins)
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: John Dunne
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
And my opinion.
There is a lot of good info in the archives now, all credit to certain
individuals and a good library reference has been well established. We have
all at one time or another been politely or otherwise, encouraged to use the
archives, save a lot of you diligent replyees going over the same old
ground.
It has been put forward as a point on more than one occasion that the
discussions, however repetitive, should still be put out there to encourage
more dialogue one way or the other. There are some fantastic web sites and
more information than you need to complete a satisfactory project based on
what can be gleaned from the ideas available, however nothing beats the
throw it out there scenario to discover things you just didnt know. More
of a devils advocate approach ..like the delta wing Im trialing on
my -10 ;-)
Id suggest the ground work of the list has been brilliantly laid and
a lot of it has moved into the Now Flying category. We still need the next
wave of beginners asking the same beginning questions but we also need to
encourage a broader range of topics amongst the established builders in the
mid range of their projects beyond primers, bigger engines, 2 versus 3 blade
props. I personally like the think out aloud approach that certain people
are good at. It attracts some good e-bate on occasions and I think that is
part of the learn for us less knowledgeable.
Also, the quality of this list suggests anything other than amateur
corner and that can sometimes have a negative result when it comes to
contributions.
John 40315 (midway motivational lulldid anyone else get this?)
Do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jsmcgrew@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2006 3:48 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
Here's my opinion on this subject:
This list was (and is) a valuable resource to getting my RV-10 done. I
do my best to send pictures and descriptions of how I did things in hope of
helping out others. I have become a bit reluctant to comment as of late.
It's frustrating to throw an idea or a question out there only to be met
with soap box lectures on building practices.
Everyone should feel comfortable sending out a post. Let's keep this a
friendly and open sharing of ideas!!!
Jim
40134 - Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: swilliams5688@wideopenwest.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
<swilliams5688@wideopenwest.com>
AV8ORJWC wrote:
> Maybe those archives are getting a workout? Any opinion, before I
go back to
the silence?
What I find curious is the fact that a lot of the most informative,
prolific
posters on the list have a generic "Do Not Archive" appended to their
signatures. What's up with that? :-O
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| Subject: | flap bushing install |
Having bottom skins on is not mandatory, just in case you're trying to now
push them back out. You just have to gently spread the slot around the
bushing as you attach the bottom skins.
Rob Wright
#392
Many safe iterations of bottom skin installs around the bushings.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:07 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: flap bushing install
I can not remember where the instructions were, but make sure you have your
bottom skins on first before to press them in. Sorry, I do not have my
plans here to find the reference.
Rene' Felker
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Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:45 AM
Subject: RV10-List: flap bushing install
Hi All,
I'm building slow build and due to Canadian inspection rules we have to
deviate from the construction sequence in the manual a fair bit. Somewhere
along the way I've missed the instructions on installing the bushings into
the 1025A flap brackets. We looked through the book for 20 min. last night
and did not find it. Could someone please tell me what page it's on.
Thanks,
Perry Casson
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A few weeks back there was some discussion on a turbo 10 flying in Oz.
The people concerned have requested, if anyone is interested in finding out
more, to contact them direct.
Emails direct to Jon c/o info@flymore.com.au
I'd suggest one of you more knowledgeable engine or turbo types contact them
to see if there is anything worth bringing to the list but maybe this was
more to do with the modified turbo considering there was no cowl mod and the
10 was just a convenient test bed? Perhaps.
John 40315
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Glueing foam ribs in HS and Elevator - Pro-seal or ? |
Vans specs Pro-seal. I see a number of people have used RTV silicon
adhesive. Thoughts?
- Though I've never handled it, Pro-seal seems messy - but made to
withstand flexing, heat, and other a/c conditions
- Various silicon adhesives are available at the local airplane stores
(Lowes) - suitability not know by this builder
I'm looking for some opinion. Thanks
Bill Watson - Elevator, QB in transit, still acquiring tools and technique
http://www.mykitlog.com/MauleDriver/
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Archives and willingness to comment |
Well John I would like to know about your Delta Wing design. In fact we co
uld have two sets of wings, one for short field operation and one for max c
ruise speed. :-). Remove a few bolts, and some connectors and your all set
=0A=0AActually I just came out of about a 5 month lull. I like to view it
as burnout and other things intefering. Its actually motivational to hear
about people flying and building on this list. I am still working on the f
uselage, I haven't put the top on yet but in another month or so I should b
e at that stage. Hopeing to get it flying by next summer. Maybe if I keep
it real simple.=0A=0AOne thing for certain is that there are some very kno
wledgeable people on this list.=0A=0AHappy building=0A=0ANiko=0A40188=0A=0A
=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: John Dunne <acs@acspropeller.com.
au>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, November 8, 2006 4:49:
26 PM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment=0A
=0A=0AAnd my opinion=85.=0A =0AThere is a lot of good info in the archives
now, all credit to certain individuals and a good library reference has bee
n well established. We have all at one time or another been politely or oth
erwise, encouraged to use the archives, save a lot of you diligent replyees
going over the same old ground. =0AIt has been put forward as a point on m
ore than one occasion that the discussions, however repetitive, should stil
l be put out there to encourage more dialogue one way or the other. There a
re some fantastic web sites and more information than you need to complete
a satisfactory project based on what can be gleaned from the ideas availabl
e, however nothing beats the =93throw it out there=94 scenario to discover
things you just didn=92t know. More of a =93devils advocate=94 approach =85
=85..like the delta wing I=92m trialing on my -10 ;-) =0AI=92d suggest the
ground work of the list has been brilliantly laid and a lot of it has moved
into the =93Now Flying=94 category. We still need the next wave of beginne
rs asking the same beginning questions but we also need to encourage a broa
der range of topics amongst the established builders in the mid range of th
eir projects beyond primers, bigger engines, 2 versus 3 blade props. I pers
onally like the =93think out aloud=94 approach that certain people are good
at. It attracts some good e-bate on occasions and I think that is part of
the learn for us less knowledgeable. =0AAlso, the quality of this list sugg
ests anything other than amateur corner and that can sometimes have a negat
ive result when it comes to contributions.=0A =0AJohn 40315 (midway motivat
ional lull=85did anyone else get this?)=0ADo not archive=0A =0A =0AFrom: ow
ner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronic
s.com ] On Behalf Of jsmcgrew@aol.com=0ASent: Thursday, 9 November 2006 3:4
8 AM=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Archives a
nd willingness to comment=0A =0AHere's my opinion on this subject:=0A =0ATh
is list was (and is) a valuable resource to getting my RV-10 done. I do my
best to send pictures and descriptions of how I did things in hope of helpi
ng out others. I have become a bit reluctant to comment as of late. It's fr
ustrating to throw an idea or a question out there only to be met with soap
box lectures on building practices.=0A =0AEveryone should feel comfortable
sending out a post. Let's keep this a friendly and open sharing of ideas!!
!=0A =0AJim=0A40134 - Flying=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: swilliams
5688@wideopenwest.com=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006
11:40 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment=0A-
=0A =0A =0AAV8ORJWC wrote:=0A> Maybe those archives are getting a workout?
Any opinion, before I go back to =0Athe silence?=0A =0A =0AWhat I find cur
ious is the fact that a lot of the most informative, prolific =0Aposters on
the list have a generic "Do Not Archive" appended to their =0Asignatures.
What's up with that? :-O=0A =0A--------=0AEmpennage=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0AR
ead this topic online here:=0A =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php
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Sorry, but I would tend to believe that if you are still just ordering
anything major, your still not half way. On the HRII I would think we
were about 1/2 way (time wise) when it looked (all the major parts
installed) & sounded (first engine test run) like an airplane. We made a
list when the "plane" was in the hanger at the airport. The list was on
the project board of all the things that needed to be done, at least a
hundred items (gotta get a bigger board). Worked for another month or
two (two days a week avg.) subtracting & adding items, still had more
than a hundred. Tom then split those into "finishing" & flying items. We
completed the required flying items in the next four/five months. The
"finishing" items (paint, decals, farings, wheel pants, wing lockers,
strobes, air inlets, weather seal, rear seat throttle & rudder controls,
seats covered, cowl & baffles properly fitted, roll over bar completed
[again], 'glass filler on the canopy joint, final rear canopy skirt, oil
cooler moved to firewall, extra exhaust supports, wires bundled,
interior lights, GPS mounts (2), FI rebuilt, modify alternator mount [3
times]etc etc.) took better than another year. And six years later we're
still working on it. BUT your mileage may differ.
KABONG (GBA & GWB) Do Not Archive
But was it worth the work & the wait ?, YES.
----- Original Message -----
From: millstees@ameritech.net
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
I was told that when you order your finishing kit, you are half done.
Steve Mills
RV-10 40486 Slow-build
Naperville, Illinois
finishing fuselage
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:52 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
That's someone who thinks he's 90% done BUT everyone who's been
there knows he's still 90% to go. 8*)
KABONG (GBA& GWB) Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
John
What do you consider midway?
-Chris Lucas
#40072 (cabin side skins)
do not archive
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From: John Dunne
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
And my opinion..
There is a lot of good info in the archives now, all credit to
certain individuals and a good library reference has been well
established. We have all at one time or another been politely or
otherwise, encouraged to use the archives, save a lot of you diligent
replyees going over the same old ground.
It has been put forward as a point on more than one occasion
that the discussions, however repetitive, should still be put out there
to encourage more dialogue one way or the other. There are some
fantastic web sites and more information than you need to complete a
satisfactory project based on what can be gleaned from the ideas
available, however nothing beats the "throw it out there" scenario to
discover things you just didn't know. More of a "devils advocate"
approach ....like the delta wing I'm trialing on my -10 ;-)
I'd suggest the ground work of the list has been brilliantly
laid and a lot of it has moved into the "Now Flying" category. We still
need the next wave of beginners asking the same beginning questions but
we also need to encourage a broader range of topics amongst the
established builders in the mid range of their projects beyond primers,
bigger engines, 2 versus 3 blade props. I personally like the "think out
aloud" approach that certain people are good at. It attracts some good
e-bate on occasions and I think that is part of the learn for us less
knowledgeable.
Also, the quality of this list suggests anything other than
amateur corner and that can sometimes have a negative result when it
comes to contributions.
John 40315 (midway motivational lull.did anyone else get this?)
Do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jsmcgrew@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2006 3:48 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
Here's my opinion on this subject:
This list was (and is) a valuable resource to getting my RV-10
done. I do my best to send pictures and descriptions of how I did things
in hope of helping out others. I have become a bit reluctant to comment
as of late. It's frustrating to throw an idea or a question out there
only to be met with soap box lectures on building practices.
Everyone should feel comfortable sending out a post. Let's keep
this a friendly and open sharing of ideas!!!
Jim
40134 - Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: swilliams5688@wideopenwest.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
<swilliams5688@wideopenwest.com>
AV8ORJWC wrote:
> Maybe those archives are getting a workout? Any opinion,
before I go back to
the silence?
What I find curious is the fact that a lot of the most
informative, prolific
posters on the list have a generic "Do Not Archive" appended to
their
signatures. What's up with that? :-O
--------
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I installed mine (and the rest of Dave's parts) and they save a lot of time
and are of great quality. Well worth it!
----- Original Message -----
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:23 PM
Subject: RV10-List: New WD-415
>
> Here is a photo of my new WD-415s from RivetHead that just arrived today.
> They are next to the ones from Van's - not Van's new WD-415-1s.
>
> --------
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| Subject: | Re: Glueing foam ribs in HS and Elevator - Pro-seal or ? |
Hi Bill,
I have used ProSeal and have been happy with the results. Yes, it
smells weird and is messy, but it's not too bad. You know it will
work and won't crack. One less thing to worry about.
Regards,
Mike Schipper
RV-9A - N63MS - Flying
RV-10 #40576 - Wings on the way
http://www.rvten.com
On Nov 8, 2006, at 5:25 PM, MauleDriver wrote:
>
> Vans specs Pro-seal. I see a number of people have used RTV
> silicon adhesive. Thoughts?
>
> - Though I've never handled it, Pro-seal seems messy - but made to
> withstand flexing, heat, and other a/c conditions
> - Various silicon adhesives are available at the local airplane
> stores (Lowes) - suitability not know by this builder
>
> I'm looking for some opinion. Thanks
>
> Bill Watson - Elevator, QB in transit, still acquiring tools and
> technique
> http://www.mykitlog.com/MauleDriver/
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Archives and willingness to comment |
I was about to agree, after your first sentence, but then it
went overboard a bit from an RV-10 building perspective.
For me, the 1/2 way point was about the time I put in
the windshield and windows and was getting some body work
ready for paint. So I agree that it really is looking like
and airplane, and you have perhaps the engine mounted.
The rest of it though, seems to go with less time on an
RV-10 than what you're describing. Your point about the list
is an excellent one though. I made a spreadsheet list at
the time I moved it to the hanger. BEFORE INSPECTION, BEFORE
FLIGHT, AFTER FLIGHT on each item. Then just keep putting
anything you think of or run into onto the list, and assign
it an expected amount of time...and be generous. Then you'll
start to get an idea of your chance of getting it done
in a certain month or perhaps season of the year. You'll
end up with 50, or 100, or more items, depending on how
thorough you are. But at least that gives you a visible goal,
and MOST importantly, a checklist for you so that you don't
forget items..... "Install wing bolts and torque".
But yeah, you'll definitely be rolling it around on it's own
gear at some point probably just before, or near the mid-point
in the build from an hours perspective. The cool part is,
your motivation goes sky high at that point, so the overall
timeline to get that 2nd half of the hours can tend to get
compressed a bit more than the first half.
Keep pounding those rivets, and you'll get there!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
JOHN STARN wrote:
> Sorry, but I would tend to believe that if you are still just ordering
> anything major, your still not half way. On the HRII I would think we
> were about 1/2 way (time wise) when it looked (all the major parts
> installed) & sounded (first engine test run) like an airplane. We made a
> list when the "plane" was in the hanger at the airport. The list was on
> the project board of all the things that needed to be done, at least a
> hundred items (gotta get a bigger board). Worked for another month or
> two (two days a week avg.) subtracting & adding items, still had more
> than a hundred. Tom then split those into "finishing" & flying items. We
> completed the required flying items in the next four/five months. The
> "finishing" items (paint, decals, farings, wheel pants, wing lockers,
> strobes, air inlets, weather seal, rear seat throttle & rudder controls,
> seats covered, cowl & baffles properly fitted, roll over bar completed
> [again], 'glass filler on the canopy joint, final rear canopy skirt, oil
> cooler moved to firewall, extra exhaust supports, wires bundled,
> interior lights, GPS mounts (2), FI rebuilt, modify alternator mount [3
> times]etc etc.) took better than another year. And six years later we're
> still working on it. BUT your mileage may differ.
> KABONG (GBA & GWB) Do Not Archive
> But was it worth the work & the wait ?, YES.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* millstees@ameritech.net <mailto:millstees@ameritech.net>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 08, 2006 3:05 PM
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
>
> I was told that when you order your finishing kit, you are half done.
>
> Steve Mills
> RV-10 40486 Slow-build
> Naperville, Illinois
> finishing fuselage
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of *JOHN
> STARN
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:52 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to comment
>
> That's someone who thinks he's 90% done BUT everyone who's been
> there knows he's still 90% to go. 8*)
> KABONG (GBA& GWB) Do Not Archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Chris <mailto:toaster73@earthlink.net>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:25 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness to
> comment
>
> John
> What do you consider midway?
> -Chris Lucas
> #40072 (cabin side skins)
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* John Dunne <mailto:acs@acspropeller.com.au>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:49 PM
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Re: Archives and willingness
> to comment
>
> And my opinion.
>
>
>
> There is a lot of good info in the archives now, all
> credit to certain individuals and a good library
> reference has been well established. We have all at one
> time or another been politely or otherwise, encouraged
> to use the archives, save a lot of you diligent replyees
> going over the same old ground.
>
> It has been put forward as a point on more than one
> occasion that the discussions, however repetitive,
> should still be put out there to encourage more dialogue
> one way or the other. There are some fantastic web sites
> and more information than you need to complete a
> satisfactory project based on what can be gleaned from
> the ideas available, however nothing beats the throw it
> out there scenario to discover things you just didnt
> know. More of a devils advocate approach ..like the
> delta wing Im trialing on my -10 ;-)
>
> Id suggest the ground work of the list has been
> brilliantly laid and a lot of it has moved into the Now
> Flying category. We still need the next wave of
> beginners asking the same beginning questions but we
> also need to encourage a broader range of topics amongst
> the established builders in the mid range of their
> projects beyond primers, bigger engines, 2 versus 3
> blade props. I personally like the think out aloud
> approach that certain people are good at. It attracts
> some good e-bate on occasions and I think that is part
> of the learn for us less knowledgeable.
>
> Also, the quality of this list suggests anything other
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> John 40315 (midway motivational lulldid anyone else get
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> Here's my opinion on this subject:
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> This list was (and is) a valuable resource to getting my
> RV-10 done. I do my best to send pictures and
> descriptions of how I did things in hope of helping out
> others. I have become a bit reluctant to comment as of
> late. It's frustrating to throw an idea or a question
> out there only to be met with soap box lectures on
> building practices.
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| Subject: | Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM |
Les,
The QB wings/fuse don't come primed in the sense you are probably thinking.
The bare metal is still visible, although there is some kind of viscous
protectant on it, and is presumably sprayed on after assembly to protect it
during shipment across the ocean. Some folks have thought of it as some
kind of transparent conversion coating a la alodining. Regardless of what
the QB assemblers use, I think all of us primer users are priming all the
areas we can get to, including removing floor and side access panels just to
help out that much more. A little scrub with scotchbrite and spirits makes
it ready to prime. Interior surfaces intended for painting will require
more prep from even this stage.
Rob Wright
#392
Tailcone attached tonight!
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:08 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
John
Thanks for the heads up. For the moment I am focused on the tail section. I
am leaning towards a QB fuse / wings which I believe comes pre-primed. If I
do go the with a slow build fuse your point becomes quite relevant. I hadn't
(at this point) really thought about painted surfaces in the cockpit area.
Cheers
Les Kearney
RV10 # 40643 - Vertical Stab
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:10 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
Les, just make sure that the primer you use for the interior of the
fuselage, which you might want to paint, is compatible with your paint. The
rest of the interior can be whatever you want. It won't be painted.
John Jessen
#40328
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:06 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
Hmmm
John, choosing wisely can be difficult if one is in the dark. From all I
have been able to read, priming is a very dark art. That being said, my plan
is to prime only interior components and to leave the exterior surfaces to
the experts.
On the other hand, I do know a very good paint shop and perhaps will have a
chat with them just to be sure..
Cheers
Les Kearney
RV10 # 40643 - Vertical Stab
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:57 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
The most tragic conclusion is finding that a specific selection of primer is
not compatible for long term adhesion of the Top Coat selected later. The
decisions need to go hand in hand.
Choose Wisely.
John Cox
#600
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 4:45 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Priming - Sherwin Williams DTM
Hi All
A few weeks ago I asked about priming. After a lot of thought, I decided
against most of the products currently in use primarily because I didn't
want to use really noxious chemicals in an attached garage. As well,
volatile hydrocarbons may have been interesting to use in the presence of a
natgas garage heater.
The product I decided to use is Sherwin Williams DTM (direct to metal)
primer. It is water based and not as chemically interesting as other
products. Today was day 2 of construction and my first experience with
priming. I found the DTM easy to use with a standard air sprayer. Odor wise,
it wasn't all that bad although I did use a cartridge air mask just to be
safe as it was too cold to do this outside. It takes only a couple of hours
to dry and seems to be reasonably scratch resistant.
Can any of the primer experts on the list provide guidance as to how thick
primer should be applied? Looking at the results of my work, it is apparent
that I wasn't consistent in the application. Some parts seemed to have a
much heaver coat than others. On some parts the primer is translucent while
on others it covers completely. My feeling is that I should go lighter
rather than heavier but am not sure.
Comments? Suggestions?
Inquiring minds need to know .
Les Kearney
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Scott, on a light hearted note. Since no one is responding to stick
travel fore and aft or rudder pedal travel.
If you had a welder place a 1.5" extension to correct the high grip,
Wouldn't that grip hit the equipment between your legs or was that
picture from the back seat (over six months ago) representative of
additional long legged clearance.
Still wondering fore to aft travel. And I still have your avgas money
in escrow for the first Grand Champion award. Casa Grande was not the
same without you.
N49CX - not yet flying
John Cox
Do not Archive for obvious reasons
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:21 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: aileron throw
<sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
You definitely do not want your stick hitting anything at all. My stick
was hitting on full down because of my Aerocrafters panel that hangs
about 1.5 inches lower than the stock panel and the Infinity grips are a
little taller. I had to higher a tig welder to come out and weld about
a 1 inch extension to the stick which brings it back, away from the
panel. Now during my preflight I can work the control surfaces with full
deflection and not hit anything.
N104XP - 35 hours
Scott Schmidt
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 8:30 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: aileron throw
Sergei Boriak (Russian Aerobatic Champion) locked our stick grip (in a
Red Star Aircraft)under the instrument panel during Aerobatic Dual
maneuvering. No one thought it was possible. It leaves a life altering
experience. The maneuver set up the scenario. The aircraft contortion
closed the distance. Metal has memory, Metal flexes and bends.
Although the RV-10 will seldom be in aerobatic configuration. I would
never design an aircraft which could get in that stick configuration
again. "Design for Aerobatic, Load for Utility, fly in Normal
configuration". Adrenalin can be a great thing as your life passes in
your hand(s) while you say - "Damn!"
I want full ability to input full UNRESTRICTED control movement to
correct any conceivable configuration and I want it "NOW". Sorry Jesse,
now offense intended.
"Safety first, safety always".... I like your question Steven. Design
for all possibilities, not just the common ones. Just IMHO. Sounds
like the answer from Rob is 12.5" from full left to full right or 6.25
left and right of neutral. Any second confirmations? I believe the
elevator movement is greater and that one needs posting that as well due
to contact with the center of the switch panel.
While we are at it, could we get a Full rudder forward and Full rudder
aft measurement too? That means Rudder stop to Rudder stop but measured
at the foot pedals.
John Cox
(503) 453-6016
Do not Archive
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 6:33 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: aileron throw
Although I understand the concern, I don't think I would worry too much
about having full travel, because except during your control check, I
can't
imagine EVER going full travel on the controls (especially since we
aren't
aerobatic). Moving two inches to the left or right will get you into a
pretty steep turn, and two inches forward or back will get you very
nose-high or nose-low. We also cut the sticks all the way down and put
the
Infinity Aerospace grips as far down as they will go to clear the panel,
but
if we ever got close to the panel in flight, the moron flying would be
trying some kind of snap-outside-loop or something, which I certainly
would
not want to be a part of. Pulling all the way back on landing is the
only
one that would be common, when you flare.
Just IMHO, so do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven
DiNieri
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 2:09 AM
Subject: RV10-List: aileron throw
<capsteve@adelphia.net>
Can anyone (rv10) with their wings on tell me how much throw is
in
the control stick in the aileron direction? Probably be easiest to just
measure from left sidewall to the stick deflected to the left and the
distance from the left sidewall to the stick with right deflection of
aileron. I'm scratch building a panel and need to ensure clearance.. thx
Steve d
40205
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Would anyone know what thread is on the gear leg??
Chris
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| Subject: | flap bushing install |
Thanks for your help guys - My page 22-8 was rev 0 which does not have any mention
of installing
bushing or have a figure 4. Talked to Vans and saw the updated page James Hein
sent and even found
bushings. All is good.
Perry Casson
Regina, Canada
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