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1. 05:43 AM - Re: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the RV-12 (Jesse Saint)
2. 06:15 AM - Re: Quadrant vs. Vernier CablesQuadrant vs. Vernier CablesQuadrant vs. Vernier CablesQuadrant vs. Vernier Cables (Wayne Edgerton)
3. 06:35 AM - Re: Lyc Knockoff 92 octane compatable (Rick)
4. 07:43 AM - Re: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the RV-12 (John Jessen)
5. 07:47 AM - Re: Lyc Knockoff 92 octane compatable (John Jessen)
6. 07:55 AM - Tailcone finished (John Jessen)
7. 08:19 AM - Re: Tailcone finished (jdalton77)
8. 08:30 AM - Re: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the RV-12 (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
9. 08:31 AM - Re: Tailcone finished (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
10. 08:47 AM - Re: Tailcone finished (John Jessen)
11. 09:30 AM - Re: Re: Kits and Family (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
12. 09:42 AM - Re: Tailcone finished (John Gonzalez)
13. 09:45 AM - Re: Re: Kits and Family (Rick)
14. 10:23 AM - Re: Lyc Knockoff 92 octane compatable (linn Walters)
15. 10:48 AM - Post Component Construction Priming (Jeff Carpenter)
16. 11:03 AM - Re: Post Component Construction Priming ()
17. 11:54 AM - Re: Post Component Construction Priming (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
18. 12:21 PM - Re: Lyc Knockoff 92 octane compatible (John W. Cox)
19. 12:41 PM - Baggage Area Access Panels (Niko)
20. 12:44 PM - Re: Post Component Construction Priming (linn Walters)
21. 12:53 PM - Rivethead - are they shipping any product? (MauleDriver)
22. 01:20 PM - Re: Rivethead - are they shipping any product? (John Gonzalez)
23. 01:39 PM - Re: Rivethead - are they shipping any product? (Niko)
24. 01:46 PM - Re: Spam:*****, Baggage Area Access Panels (KiloPapa)
25. 02:00 PM - Re: Rivethead - are they shipping any product? (MauleDriver)
26. 02:08 PM - wheel pant attachment (Wayne Edgerton)
27. 02:33 PM - Re: Spam:*****, Baggage Area Access Panels (Niko)
28. 02:39 PM - Pattern for Front Seat Upholstery (Niko)
29. 03:30 PM - Re: wheel pant attachment (ddddsp1@juno.com)
30. 04:31 PM - Re: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the RV-12 (Rob Wright)
31. 04:35 PM - Re: Tailcone finished (Rob Wright)
32. 04:40 PM - Re: Rivethead - are they shipping any product? (Les Kearney)
33. 04:40 PM - Re: Baggage Area Access Panels (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
34. 04:41 PM - Re: Post Component Construction Priming (Rob Wright)
35. 04:50 PM - Re: wheel pant attachment (Rick Gray)
36. 04:54 PM - 0-540 B2B5? (Chris Johnston)
37. 05:28 PM - Re: 0-540 B2B5? (ddddsp1@juno.com)
38. 05:38 PM - Re: 0-540 B2B5? (bcondrey)
39. 05:51 PM - Re: 0-540 B2B5? (Chris Johnston)
40. 06:00 PM - Re: Re: 0-540 B2B5? (Chris Johnston)
41. 06:51 PM - 0-540 E vs C (Rob Wright)
42. 06:52 PM - Re: Post Component Construction Priming (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
43. 06:56 PM - Re: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the RV-12 (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
44. 07:03 PM - Re: Tailcone finished (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
45. 07:22 PM - Koolmat Installation (McGANN, Ron)
46. 07:38 PM - Re: Post Component Construction Priming (Dave Leikam)
47. 08:03 PM - Re: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the RV-12 (JOHN STARN)
48. 08:31 PM - Re: 0-540 B2B5? (bcondrey)
49. 08:35 PM - Re: 0-540 E vs C (bcondrey)
50. 08:38 PM - Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the RV-12 (McGANN, Ron)
51. 08:46 PM - Re: Koolmat Installation (Chris , Susie Darcy)
52. 09:14 PM - Re: 0-540 B2B5? (ddddsp1@juno.com)
53. 09:24 PM - Re: Koolmat Installation (John Dunne)
54. 09:43 PM - Re: Koolmat Installation (Chris , Susie Darcy)
55. 09:43 PM - Re: Koolmat Installation (McGANN, Ron)
56. 10:00 PM - Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the RV-12 (JOHN STARN)
57. 11:02 PM - Kits/Family - A Review ()
58. 11:30 PM - Re: Koolmat Installation (John Dunne)
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| Subject: | Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the RV-12 |
Well, I=92d have to say that the whole RV-12 project is kind of
=93thinking
outside the box=94 for Van=92s. It had to be. Full-sized prepunched
holes.
Pop rivets. Quick-remove wings. No wet-wing. Rotax engine.
Stabilator.
Flaperons? Every one of these is a first. When you remove the steam
gauges
to go glass, then tilting the panel is a lot easier since they don=92t
expect
anybody to have gyros in there (am I right that gyros have to be level
unless purchased with a 7 degree tilt?). Also, there wasn=92t nearly
the
selection of cheap glass 4 years ago that =93does it all=94. I agree
that they
will probably not remove the panel ribs (yes, out of shear
stubbornness),
but also because there are 60 -10=92s flying and everybody so far has
found a
way (literally) either around or through the ribs. On the other hand,
most
glass fits fairly well with only slight modification of the outside
rib(s),
and can be done with no modification of the middle rib if desired.
Also,
with probably not the range of motion in the pilot=92s seat, it is a lot
easier to determine the general angle that you would need for a
perpendicular panel, which is not as true with the -10.
I agree that they are to be applauded on the -12. They will sell a TON
of
kits, to be sure. Can you imagine the amount of time saved by not
having to
match drill, disassemble, debur, dimple, reassemble, then buck? What,
not
flush rivets? Cleco the wing together and pop those rivets! Also, with
no
fiberglass on the plane except the cowling and possibly some emp tip
fairings, that will make it even faster. So, how many hours do ya=92ll
think
is going to be the =93estimate build time=94? Do I hear 500?
On the 396 note, has anybody noticed that the Gizmos guys have made an
angle
adapter that holds the 396 tray at an angle so it can be easily put on
the
right side of the panel? It really works well and makes for a very
clean/neat installation.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org
HYPERLINK "http://www.itecusa.org"www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the RV-12
After studying in-depth the VANS website on the RV-12, am I mistaken or
is
glass EFIS okay for the RV-12 but not for an RV-10 where the panel ribs
were
intentionally placed to interfere with glass EFIS insertion. Amber
Peterson, Rian Johnson and Phil Rivall are to be commended for bringing
VANS
into the 21st century (only six years late) with Solidworks engineering.
It
was also exciting to see them incorporate a panel insert for a Garmin
496/396/296 or 196. Now anyone want to take bets they will never ever
redesign the panel ribs on the RV-10 out of shear stubbornness?
HYPERLINK
"http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/RV-12/inst_panel.jpg"
Did anyone else note the ergonomically canted panel as well. Directly
perpendicular into the pilot=92s eyes for ease of scanning.
HYPERLINK
"http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/RV-12/12crew_prepares.jpg"http://www.
van
saircraft.com/images/RV-12/12crew_prepares.jpg
John Cox
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| Subject: | Re: Quadrant vs. Vernier CablesQuadrant vs. Vernier CablesQuadrant |
vs. Vernier CablesQuadrant vs. Vernier Cables
On the standard Van's quadrant I received the throttle is friction lock,
not vernier and it will respond to you pushing or pulling it as long as
you don't have it locked down. The prop and mixture are vernier. So I
don't think this would stop you from formation flying. Look at all the
other RV's that fly formation and I think they probably all have the
same unit. I would agree you wouldn't probably want the throttle to be
vernier.
Wayne Edgerton # 40336
so close but yet so far :>}
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| Subject: | Re: Lyc Knockoff 92 octane compatable |
Yeah foul the engine, there wasn't enough octane to keep the plugs from fouling
in the line trucks...not with lead but carbon, matter of of fact once a month
they would close the runways and the line trucks would get a chance to burn some
of it off....yeah there was a diesel pump there too but we were talking mogas...left
diesel alone..
Besides Linn....I thought you would comment on when the pumps had "Ethel" on them
and you could watch the gas swirl arounf the glass top for a nickel a gallon
;)
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the RV-12 |
Gizmo guys?
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:42 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the RV-12
Well, I'd have to say that the whole RV-12 project is kind of "thinking
outside the box" for Van's. It had to be. Full-sized prepunched holes.
Pop rivets. Quick-remove wings. No wet-wing. Rotax engine. Stabilator.
Flaperons? Every one of these is a first. When you remove the steam gauges
to go glass, then tilting the panel is a lot easier since they don't expect
anybody to have gyros in there (am I right that gyros have to be level
unless purchased with a 7 degree tilt?). Also, there wasn't nearly the
selection of cheap glass 4 years ago that "does it all". I agree that they
will probably not remove the panel ribs (yes, out of shear stubbornness),
but also because there are 60 -10's flying and everybody so far has found a
way (literally) either around or through the ribs. On the other hand, most
glass fits fairly well with only slight modification of the outside rib(s),
and can be done with no modification of the middle rib if desired. Also,
with probably not the range of motion in the pilot's seat, it is a lot
easier to determine the general angle that you would need for a
perpendicular panel, which is not as true with the -10.
I agree that they are to be applauded on the -12. They will sell a TON of
kits, to be sure. Can you imagine the amount of time saved by not having to
match drill, disassemble, debur, dimple, reassemble, then buck? What, not
flush rivets? Cleco the wing together and pop those rivets! Also, with no
fiberglass on the plane except the cowling and possibly some emp tip
fairings, that will make it even faster. So, how many hours do ya'll think
is going to be the "estimate build time"? Do I hear 500?
On the 396 note, has anybody noticed that the Gizmos guys have made an angle
adapter that holds the 396 tray at an angle so it can be easily put on the
right side of the panel? It really works well and makes for a very
clean/neat installation.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the RV-12
After studying in-depth the VANS website on the RV-12, am I mistaken or is
glass EFIS okay for the RV-12 but not for an RV-10 where the panel ribs were
intentionally placed to interfere with glass EFIS insertion. Amber
Peterson, Rian Johnson and Phil Rivall are to be commended for bringing VANS
into the 21st century (only six years late) with Solidworks engineering. It
was also exciting to see them incorporate a panel insert for a Garmin
496/396/296 or 196. Now anyone want to take bets they will never ever
redesign the panel ribs on the RV-10 out of shear stubbornness?
<http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/RV-12/inst_panel.jpg>
Did anyone else note the ergonomically canted panel as well. Directly
perpendicular into the pilot's eyes for ease of scanning.
<http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/RV-12/12crew_prepares.jpg>
http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/RV-12/12crew_prepares.jpg
John Cox
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| Subject: | Lyc Knockoff 92 octane compatable |
Hey! Don't laugh. I can't remember 5 cents per gallon (it was 30 cents
when I went to college), but I sure did like to watch my uncle's pumps and
the spinning whirl in the glass bulb. I also liked to climb on top of the
tank trucks and watch them get filled with #2 oil. Such was entertainment.
John J
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lyc Knockoff 92 octane compatable
Yeah foul the engine, there wasn't enough octane to keep the plugs from
fouling in the line trucks...not with lead but carbon, matter of of fact
once a month they would close the runways and the line trucks would get a
chance to burn some of it off....yeah there was a diesel pump there too but
we were talking mogas...left diesel alone..
Besides Linn....I thought you would comment on when the pumps had "Ethel" on
them and you could watch the gas swirl arounf the glass top for a nickel a
gallon ;)
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Tailcone finished |
Tailcone finally flippin' finished!
I'll update the web site in a couple days and discuss there about my
impressions of what to do and not to do. Big point is, don't hesitate to
get bucking help. Bruce Breckenridge and I proved you can go it alone, or
nearly so (I think I had help on 15 rivets), but why? Doing it solo can be
done, but the amount of steps required per set of rivets, which might be
only two, is far more than might be worth it for many. Anyway...
John J. (Heading into Buildus Interruptus yet again.)
#40328
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lyc Knockoff 92 octane compatable
Yeah foul the engine, there wasn't enough octane to keep the plugs from
fouling in the line trucks...not with lead but carbon, matter of of fact
once a month they would close the runways and the line trucks would get a
chance to burn some of it off....yeah there was a diesel pump there too but
we were talking mogas...left diesel alone..
Besides Linn....I thought you would comment on when the pumps had "Ethel" on
them and you could watch the gas swirl arounf the glass top for a nickel a
gallon ;)
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: Tailcone finished |
Congrats!
I was "finished" with mine for 6 weeks!
Still working on the fiberglass tips....
Jeff Dalton
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From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:54 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Tailcone finished
>
> Tailcone finally flippin' finished!
>
> I'll update the web site in a couple days and discuss there about my
> impressions of what to do and not to do. Big point is, don't hesitate to
> get bucking help. Bruce Breckenridge and I proved you can go it alone, or
> nearly so (I think I had help on 15 rivets), but why? Doing it solo can
> be
> done, but the amount of steps required per set of rivets, which might be
> only two, is far more than might be worth it for many. Anyway...
>
> John J. (Heading into Buildus Interruptus yet again.)
> #40328
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:35 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lyc Knockoff 92 octane compatable
>
>
> Yeah foul the engine, there wasn't enough octane to keep the plugs from
> fouling in the line trucks...not with lead but carbon, matter of of fact
> once a month they would close the runways and the line trucks would get a
> chance to burn some of it off....yeah there was a diesel pump there too
> but
> we were talking mogas...left diesel alone..
>
> Besides Linn....I thought you would comment on when the pumps had "Ethel"
> on
> them and you could watch the gas swirl arounf the glass top for a nickel a
> gallon ;)
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the RV-12 |
www.airgizmos.com
Dan
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:42 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the
RV-12
Gizmo guys?
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:42 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic
on the RV-12
Well, I'd have to say that the whole RV-12 project is kind of
"thinking outside the box" for Van's. It had to be. Full-sized
prepunched holes. Pop rivets. Quick-remove wings. No wet-wing. Rotax
engine. Stabilator. Flaperons? Every one of these is a first. When
you remove the steam gauges to go glass, then tilting the panel is a lot
easier since they don't expect anybody to have gyros in there (am I
right that gyros have to be level unless purchased with a 7 degree
tilt?). Also, there wasn't nearly the selection of cheap glass 4 years
ago that "does it all". I agree that they will probably not remove the
panel ribs (yes, out of shear stubbornness), but also because there are
60 -10's flying and everybody so far has found a way (literally) either
around or through the ribs. On the other hand, most glass fits fairly
well with only slight modification of the outside rib(s), and can be
done with no modification of the middle rib if desired. Also, with
probably not the range of motion in the pilot's seat, it is a lot easier
to determine the general angle that you would need for a perpendicular
panel, which is not as true with the -10.
I agree that they are to be applauded on the -12. They will
sell a TON of kits, to be sure. Can you imagine the amount of time
saved by not having to match drill, disassemble, debur, dimple,
reassemble, then buck? What, not flush rivets? Cleco the wing together
and pop those rivets! Also, with no fiberglass on the plane except the
cowling and possibly some emp tip fairings, that will make it even
faster. So, how many hours do ya'll think is going to be the "estimate
build time"? Do I hear 500?
On the 396 note, has anybody noticed that the Gizmos guys have
made an angle adapter that holds the 396 tray at an angle so it can be
easily put on the right side of the panel? It really works well and
makes for a very clean/neat installation.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:37 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on
the RV-12
After studying in-depth the VANS website on the RV-12, am I
mistaken or is glass EFIS okay for the RV-12 but not for an RV-10 where
the panel ribs were intentionally placed to interfere with glass EFIS
insertion. Amber Peterson, Rian Johnson and Phil Rivall are to be
commended for bringing VANS into the 21st century (only six years late)
with Solidworks engineering. It was also exciting to see them
incorporate a panel insert for a Garmin 496/396/296 or 196. Now anyone
want to take bets they will never ever redesign the panel ribs on the
RV-10 out of shear stubbornness?
<http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/RV-12/inst_panel.jpg>
Did anyone else note the ergonomically canted panel as well.
Directly perpendicular into the pilot's eyes for ease of scanning.
http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/RV-12/12crew_prepares.jpg
<http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/RV-12/12crew_prepares.jpg>
John Cox
#40600
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| Subject: | Tailcone finished |
I am to the point of fitting the canopy and have had help on maybe 2
or 3 occasions when my arms just were not long enough. Did the wings
completely by myself and even the canopy fittings by myself (not fun) so
no one should have no help as excuse for not pounding rivets! :-)
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:55 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Tailcone finished
Tailcone finally flippin' finished!
I'll update the web site in a couple days and discuss there about my
impressions of what to do and not to do. Big point is, don't hesitate
to get bucking help. Bruce Breckenridge and I proved you can go it
alone, or nearly so (I think I had help on 15 rivets), but why? Doing
it solo can be done, but the amount of steps required per set of rivets,
which might be only two, is far more than might be worth it for many.
Anyway...
John J. (Heading into Buildus Interruptus yet again.)
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| Subject: | Tailcone finished |
Tailcone, not empennage! Gotta brag about something.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdalton77
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tailcone finished
Congrats!
I was "finished" with mine for 6 weeks!
Still working on the fiberglass tips....
Jeff Dalton
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From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:54 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Tailcone finished
>
> Tailcone finally flippin' finished!
>
> I'll update the web site in a couple days and discuss there about my
> impressions of what to do and not to do. Big point is, don't hesitate to
> get bucking help. Bruce Breckenridge and I proved you can go it alone, or
> nearly so (I think I had help on 15 rivets), but why? Doing it solo can
> be
> done, but the amount of steps required per set of rivets, which might be
> only two, is far more than might be worth it for many. Anyway...
>
> John J. (Heading into Buildus Interruptus yet again.)
> #40328
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:35 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lyc Knockoff 92 octane compatable
>
>
> Yeah foul the engine, there wasn't enough octane to keep the plugs from
> fouling in the line trucks...not with lead but carbon, matter of of fact
> once a month they would close the runways and the line trucks would get a
> chance to burn some of it off....yeah there was a diesel pump there too
> but
> we were talking mogas...left diesel alone..
>
> Besides Linn....I thought you would comment on when the pumps had "Ethel"
> on
> them and you could watch the gas swirl arounf the glass top for a nickel a
> gallon ;)
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kits and Family |
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| Subject: | Tailcone finished |
Now that you are finished. My big recommendation is to have help bucking.
Secondly, get one of those special, long elevator bucking bars and have your
bucker just hold it over a row of the rivets and go to town. Don't put in
any rivets where the bucking bar isn't or else...gottcha.
Probably not news, but my .02cents
Do NOt Archive
John G.
>From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV10-List: Tailcone finished
>Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:54:36 -0800
>
>
>Tailcone finally flippin' finished!
>
>I'll update the web site in a couple days and discuss there about my
>impressions of what to do and not to do. Big point is, don't hesitate to
>get bucking help. Bruce Breckenridge and I proved you can go it alone, or
>nearly so (I think I had help on 15 rivets), but why? Doing it solo can be
>done, but the amount of steps required per set of rivets, which might be
>only two, is far more than might be worth it for many. Anyway...
>
>John J. (Heading into Buildus Interruptus yet again.)
> #40328
>
>Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
>Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:35 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lyc Knockoff 92 octane compatable
>
>
>Yeah foul the engine, there wasn't enough octane to keep the plugs from
>fouling in the line trucks...not with lead but carbon, matter of of fact
>once a month they would close the runways and the line trucks would get a
>chance to burn some of it off....yeah there was a diesel pump there too but
>we were talking mogas...left diesel alone..
>
>Besides Linn....I thought you would comment on when the pumps had "Ethel"
>on
>them and you could watch the gas swirl arounf the glass top for a nickel a
>gallon ;)
>
>Rick S.
>40185
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kits and Family |
Careful Bob,
The sound you hear is salt flying into the Mazda wounds on Bob's RV-10.
He is really about 60 with 140 to go ;)
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: Lyc Knockoff 92 octane compatable |
Rick wrote:
>
>Yeah foul the engine, there wasn't enough octane to keep the plugs from fouling
in the line trucks...not with lead but carbon, matter of of fact once a month
they would close the runways and the line trucks would get a chance to burn
some of it off....yeah there was a diesel pump there too but we were talking mogas...left
diesel alone..
>
>Besides Linn....I thought you would comment on when the pumps had "Ethel" on them
and you could watch the gas swirl arounf the glass top for a nickel a gallon
;)
>
Well, those didn't say ethel (ethyl) either. Just had a red star on the
light on top. Turning the crank hurt my shoulder, though! :-D Sure
was an improvement getting electricity out in the boonies! 'Course, I
didn't have too many nickels back then either.
Linn
>
>Rick S.
>40185
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Post Component Construction Priming |
Hello Listers,
For those of us a bit less consumed with priming (as in... we're not
priming)... but wouldn't mind a some protection from corrosion, does
anyone one know of a dipping or misting process that can be used on
assembled components?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
Flaps
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| Subject: | Post Component Construction Priming |
I used corrosionX on my Arrow. It is sprayed on with a hand sprayer, and
worked pretty well.
www.corrosionx.com/
Steve Mills
RV-10 40486 Slow-build
Naperville, Illinois
finishing fuselage
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:48 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Post Component Construction Priming
Hello Listers,
For those of us a bit less consumed with priming (as in... we're not
priming)... but wouldn't mind a some protection from corrosion, does
anyone one know of a dipping or misting process that can be used on
assembled components?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
Flaps
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| Subject: | Post Component Construction Priming |
ACF-50 is the other big one out there for corrosion protection. I
believe they both sell small versions of the FBO equipment for fogging.
Might be one of those handy tools for a chapter to get. ACF and
Corrosion-X are very similar and both work very well. They get into the
tiniest of gaps and are completely non-conducting. This is the route I
decided on way back rather than all the extra priming weight and effort.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
millstees@ameritech.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:03 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Post Component Construction Priming
I used corrosionX on my Arrow. It is sprayed on with a hand sprayer,
and worked pretty well.
www.corrosionx.com/
Steve Mills
RV-10 40486 Slow-build
Naperville, Illinois
finishing fuselage
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:48 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Post Component Construction Priming
Hello Listers,
For those of us a bit less consumed with priming (as in... we're not
priming)... but wouldn't mind a some protection from corrosion, does
anyone one know of a dipping or misting process that can be used on
assembled components?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
Flaps
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| Subject: | Lyc Knockoff 92 octane compatible |
Gas wars in 1964-67 drove Regular (84 octane) down to 0.19 then would
rise back to $0.25 - 0.29. Avgas Red 80 was 0.50 per US gallon. That
was still the era of a '48 Ford with Flat head V-8. The Arab Oil crisis
of 1973 (for getting soundly thumped by the Israelis) started the rise.
I can remember when a 0.03 (10%)rise would invoke threats of death at
the pump. 10% swings now only flush out political parties each few
years.
The Glass balls were still spinning in Richfield pumps until 1958.
In 1990, I was still able to get a tanker full of Purple 115-135 Warbird
avgas into Denver. Now you have to smuggle a 5 gallon Blitz can into
Reno in September.
John C.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:47 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Lyc Knockoff 92 octane compatible
Hey! Don't laugh. I can't remember 5 cents per gallon (it was 30 cents
when I went to college), but I sure did like to watch my uncle's pumps
and
the spinning whirl in the glass bulb. I also liked to climb on top of
the
tank trucks and watch them get filled with #2 oil. Such was
entertainment.
John J
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lyc Knockoff 92 octane compatable
Yeah foul the engine, there wasn't enough octane to keep the plugs from
fouling in the line trucks...not with lead but carbon, matter of of fact
once a month they would close the runways and the line trucks would get
a
chance to burn some of it off....yeah there was a diesel pump there too
but
we were talking mogas...left diesel alone..
Besides Linn....I thought you would comment on when the pumps had
"Ethel" on
them and you could watch the gas swirl arounf the glass top for a nickel
a
gallon ;)
Rick S.
40185
do not archive
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| Subject: | Baggage Area Access Panels |
Attached are pictures of the access panels I created in the baggage area us
ing the standard stall warning cutout parts. I believe that the doubler Va
ns provides is too thin so I used two doublers per each cutout. Typically
the doubler should be at least 1.5 times the thickess of the parent materia
l. In this case each doubler is the same thickness as the floor skin. The
cutouts came out well and I can also reach the step bolts with them in cas
e the steps need to be come out at a future date. So far it took 5 hrs and
I have about another 1 to 2 hours of deburring, priming and riveting the p
arts to finish it.=0A=0ANiko=0A40188
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| Subject: | Re: Post Component Construction Priming |
Alodine??? Irridite??? You must rinse really well though!
Linn
do not archive
Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>
> Hello Listers,
>
> For those of us a bit less consumed with priming (as in... we're not
> priming)... but wouldn't mind a some protection from corrosion, does
> anyone one know of a dipping or misting process that can be used on
> assembled components?
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
> Flaps
>
>
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| Subject: | Rivethead - are they shipping any product? |
I ordered a set of practically all the RV10 parts from Rivethead about a
month ago. It has been reported here that there would be some delays
due to a broken hip. However, another poster (John G) reports having
received product last week.
Does anyone know anything? Has anyone received product recently? I
need those darn WD415s!
Thanks.
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| Subject: | Rivethead - are they shipping any product? |
Mine came in a little over a week from order to my hands. Probably before
medical problem.
John G.
>From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>To: RV10-List Digest Server <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV10-List: Rivethead - are they shipping any product?
>Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:53:23 -0500
>
>
>I ordered a set of practically all the RV10 parts from Rivethead about a
>month ago. It has been reported here that there would be some delays due
>to a broken hip. However, another poster (John G) reports having
>received product last week.
>
>Does anyone know anything? Has anyone received product recently? I need
>those darn WD415s!
>
>Thanks.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rivethead - are they shipping any product? |
I received my trim brackets about 2 weeks ago.=0A=0ANiko=0A40188=0A=0A=0A--
--- Original Message ----=0AFrom: MauleDriver <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>=0ATo:
RV10-List Digest Server <rv10-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Tuesday, Novembe
r 14, 2006 3:53:23 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Rivethead - are they shipping a
er@nc.rr.com>=0A=0AI ordered a set of practically all the RV10 parts from R
ivethead about a =0Amonth ago. It has been reported here that there would
be some delays =0Adue to a broken hip. However, another poster (John G)
reports having =0Areceived product last week.=0A=0ADoes anyone know anythi
ng? Has anyone received product recently? I =0Aneed those darn WD415s!=0A
======
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage Area Access Panels |
Looks nice. Did you put in two, one near each outboard side?
Thanks,
Kevin
40494
tail/empennage
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----- Original Message -----
From: Niko
To: Matronics
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:41 PM
Subject: Spam:*****, RV10-List: Baggage Area Access Panels
Attached are pictures of the access panels I created in the baggage
area using the standard stall warning cutout parts. I believe that the
doubler Vans provides is too thin so I used two doublers per each
cutout. Typically the doubler should be at least 1.5 times the thickess
of the parent material. In this case each doubler is the same thickness
as the floor skin. The cutouts came out well and I can also reach the
step bolts with them in case the steps need to be come out at a future
date. So far it took 5 hrs and I have about another 1 to 2 hours of
deburring, priming and riveting the parts to finish it.
Niko
40188
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| Subject: | Re: Rivethead - are they shipping any product? |
I just call a call from Rivethead (Dave?) who told me that the parts
shipped earlier this week. Thanks.
The building continues!
Bill Watson - Ready to prime and rivet the HS, elevator, trim tab, and
starting the tailcone - QB wings and fuse come this weekend!!
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MauleDriver wrote:
>
> I ordered a set of practically all the RV10 parts from Rivethead about
> a month ago. It has been reported here that there would be some
> delays due to a broken hip. However, another poster (John G)
> reports having received product last week.
>
> Does anyone know anything? Has anyone received product recently? I
> need those darn WD415s!
>
> Thanks.
>
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| Subject: | wheel pant attachment |
I am currently in the process of installing the wheel pants and ran into
a problem and was wondering if any of you had a similar problem. On the
fairing attach bracket that is used to secure the fairing, I had a
problem with the lower attach point on both sides of the plane. After I
had installed the plate nuts and put on the fiberglass to stiffen up the
pants the lower attachment point on the front fairing was to deep for me
to make the normal attachment with the recommended screws.
I thought about bending the bracket to make it fit but was concerned I
might weaken it or get it out of shape. What I ended up doing was adding
a spacer, which is about 1/2" thick in front of the nut plate for
support and then used a longer screw.
I've attached a picture of what I'm talking about, assuming it doesn't
get stripped off. Again just curious if anyone else has experienced
this.
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage Area Access Panels |
Yes I did put in two; left and right. They are in the middle outboard bay
on each side. =0ANiko=0A40188=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: K
iloPapa <kilopapa@antelecom.net>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tues
day, November 14, 2006 4:46:20 PM=0ASubject: Re: Spam:*****, RV10-List: Bag
gage Area Access Panels=0A=0A=0ALooks nice. Did you put in two, one near e
ach outboard side?=0A =0AThanks,=0A =0AKevin=0A40494=0Atail/empennage=0A
=0Ado not archive=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Niko =0ATo: Matro
nics =0ASent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:41 PM=0ASubject: Spam:*****, RV
10-List: Baggage Area Access Panels=0A=0A=0AAttached are pictures of the ac
cess panels I created in the baggage area using the standard stall warning
cutout parts. I believe that the doubler Vans provides is too thin so I us
ed two doublers per each cutout. Typically the doubler should be at least
1.5 times the thickess of the parent material. In this case each doubler i
s the same thickness as the floor skin. The cutouts came out well and I ca
n also reach the step bolts with them in case the steps need to be come out
at a future date. So far it took 5 hrs and I have about another 1 to 2 ho
urs of deburring, priming and riveting the parts to finish it.=0A =0ANiko
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| Subject: | Pattern for Front Seat Upholstery |
Has anyone either developed or gotten a pattern for uphostering the front s
eats?=0A=0ANiko=0A40188
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| Subject: | Re: wheel pant attachment |
Wayne,
It appears you did not have the bracket bent/shaped to be closer to the
wheel pant before you added the fiberglass. I think the instructions sa
y to fit the pants to the bracket and verify the bracket are in contact
OR close to the wheel pant PRIOR to drilling the holes and adding flock
to that area to support the wheelpant. I would first sand off the fibe
rglass inside the front half of the wheelpant and start over with that h
alf. Then bend that lower tab IN toward the wheel pant till it is in co
ntact with it or close to it. Then reglass the inside of the wheelpant
to support the bracket. I did use a few screws that were longer on some
holes because it is EASIER to get them started and the brackets were no
t perfectly FLUSH to the wheelpant at every screw hole.
DEAN 40449
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<html><P>Wayne,</P>
<P>It appears you did not have the bracket bent/shaped to be closer to t
he wheel pant before you added the fiberglass. I think the instruc
tions say to fit the pants to the bracket and verify the bracket are in
contact OR close to the wheel pant PRIOR to drilling the holes and addin
g flock to that area to support the wheelpant. I would first
sand off the fiberglass inside the front half of the wheelpant and star
t over with that half. Then bend that lower tab IN toward the whee
l pant till it is in contact with it or close to it. Then reglass
the inside of the wheelpant to support the bracket. I did use a fe
w screws that were longer on some holes because it is EASIER to get them
started and the brackets were not perfectly FLUSH to the wheelpant at e
very screw hole.</P>
<P>DEAN 40449</P>
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| Subject: | Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the RV-12 |
Vans and Garmin are working on a way to have the G900 installed with no
panel rib mods. more to follow!
Rob Wright
#392
Fuse
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the RV-12
After studying in-depth the VANS website on the RV-12, am I mistaken or is
glass EFIS okay for the RV-12 but not for an RV-10 where the panel ribs were
intentionally placed to interfere with glass EFIS insertion. Amber
Peterson, Rian Johnson and Phil Rivall are to be commended for bringing VANS
into the 21st century (only six years late) with Solidworks engineering. It
was also exciting to see them incorporate a panel insert for a Garmin
496/396/296 or 196. Now anyone want to take bets they will never ever
redesign the panel ribs on the RV-10 out of shear stubbornness?
<http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/RV-12/inst_panel.jpg>
Did anyone else note the ergonomically canted panel as well. Directly
perpendicular into the pilot's eyes for ease of scanning.
<http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/RV-12/12crew_prepares.jpg>
http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/RV-12/12crew_prepares.jpg
John Cox
#40600
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| Subject: | Tailcone finished |
I did my bottom wing skins as well, but I really don't advise it. I've got
plenty of dings that will be covered eventually with body filler and paint,
but just having them there until that point will be fairly sore on my eyes.
None of the dings are sharp or seem structurally unsound, but having nice
smooth rivet lines would be nice - get help bucking wings!
Rob Wright
#392
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:31 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tailcone finished
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
I am to the point of fitting the canopy and have had help on maybe 2
or 3 occasions when my arms just were not long enough. Did the wings
completely by myself and even the canopy fittings by myself (not fun) so
no one should have no help as excuse for not pounding rivets! :-)
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:55 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Tailcone finished
Tailcone finally flippin' finished!
I'll update the web site in a couple days and discuss there about my
impressions of what to do and not to do. Big point is, don't hesitate
to get bucking help. Bruce Breckenridge and I proved you can go it
alone, or nearly so (I think I had help on 15 rivets), but why? Doing
it solo can be done, but the amount of steps required per set of rivets,
which might be only two, is far more than might be worth it for many.
Anyway...
John J. (Heading into Buildus Interruptus yet again.)
#40328
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| Subject: | Rivethead - are they shipping any product? |
Hi
Mine shipped last Thursday.
Cheers
Les Kearney
RV10 # 40643 - Vertical Stab
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivethead - are they shipping any product?
I just call a call from Rivethead (Dave?) who told me that the parts
shipped earlier this week. Thanks.
The building continues!
Bill Watson - Ready to prime and rivet the HS, elevator, trim tab, and
starting the tailcone - QB wings and fuse come this weekend!!
do not archive
MauleDriver wrote:
>
> I ordered a set of practically all the RV10 parts from Rivethead about
> a month ago. It has been reported here that there would be some
> delays due to a broken hip. However, another poster (John G)
> reports having received product last week.
>
> Does anyone know anything? Has anyone received product recently? I
> need those darn WD415s!
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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| Subject: | Baggage Area Access Panels |
I also did something similar using the stall horn access panel I had
laying around as a template (put in an AoA instead of stall horn). You
can see some pic's here:
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=msausen&project=22
&ca
tegory=613&log=15009&row=33
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KiloPapa
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: Spam:*****, RV10-List: Baggage Area Access Panels
Looks nice. Did you put in two, one near each outboard side?
Thanks,
Kevin
40494
tail/empennage
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----- Original Message -----
From: Niko <mailto:owl40188@yahoo.com>
To: Matronics <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:41 PM
Subject: Spam:*****, RV10-List: Baggage Area Access Panels
Attached are pictures of the access panels I created in the
baggage area using the standard stall warning cutout parts. I believe
that the doubler Vans provides is too thin so I used two doublers per
each cutout. Typically the doubler should be at least 1.5 times the
thickess of the parent material. In this case each doubler is the same
thickness as the floor skin. The cutouts came out well and I can also
reach the step bolts with them in case the steps need to be come out at
a future date. So far it took 5 hrs and I have about another 1 to 2
hours of deburring, priming and riveting the parts to finish it.
Niko
40188
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| Subject: | Post Component Construction Priming |
Before I started on my -10, I was setting up to build the CH 640 and went to
the rudder workshop in Eastman, GA. There, on their certified Alarus
airplanes, they've set up a contraption with holes drilled in PVC pipe (call
it a "wand"), installed nozzles, and hooked up to an air pressure source.
Then they take the long wand, put Corrosion X in it, insert it all the way
down through the completed wing, begin spraying, and slowly pull it out of
the wing.
Look them up at www.newplane.com and ask for Terry (one of the owning
partners) for more specifics. Feel free to mention that I referred you. I
was also there this summer for our local EAA chapter's fly-in over there to
check out their operation. He remembered me from a couple of years before,
as my wife attended with me during the workshop. Great folks to talk to.
Rob Wright
#392
Fuse
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:54 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Post Component Construction Priming
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
ACF-50 is the other big one out there for corrosion protection. I
believe they both sell small versions of the FBO equipment for fogging.
Might be one of those handy tools for a chapter to get. ACF and
Corrosion-X are very similar and both work very well. They get into the
tiniest of gaps and are completely non-conducting. This is the route I
decided on way back rather than all the extra priming weight and effort.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
millstees@ameritech.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:03 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Post Component Construction Priming
I used corrosionX on my Arrow. It is sprayed on with a hand sprayer,
and worked pretty well.
www.corrosionx.com/
Steve Mills
RV-10 40486 Slow-build
Naperville, Illinois
finishing fuselage
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:48 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Post Component Construction Priming
Hello Listers,
For those of us a bit less consumed with priming (as in... we're not
priming)... but wouldn't mind a some protection from corrosion, does
anyone one know of a dipping or misting process that can be used on
assembled components?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
Flaps
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| Subject: | Re: wheel pant attachment |
Hi Wayne,
>From your pics it appears that you may have done it backwards. I laid up
glass on the inside of the pants in the area of the brackets FIRST. Then
I fit the pants (lines on the floor etc etc) to the brackets. When you
do this you'll end up with the 'gap' on the OUTSIDE of the fairing where
the axle nut/extension is. It's in the plans....this is where you'll
need a flox buildup. I taped the washer to the extension and waxed up
the threads on the bolt then made my flox build up around it. The washer
is now PART of the build up (read: glued in place) and it fits like a
glove.
I have LOTS of pics if you need them. I think I must have passed you
since I bought your Hartzell BF...all my pants and fairings are done as
well as my Firewall Forward......must have brought me luck....ha ha.
Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/
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From: Wayne Edgerton
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:06 PM
Subject: RV10-List: wheel pant attachment
I am currently in the process of installing the wheel pants and ran
into a problem and was wondering if any of you had a similar problem. On
the fairing attach bracket that is used to secure the fairing, I had a
problem with the lower attach point on both sides of the plane. After I
had installed the plate nuts and put on the fiberglass to stiffen up the
pants the lower attachment point on the front fairing was to deep for me
to make the normal attachment with the recommended screws.
I thought about bending the bracket to make it fit but was concerned I
might weaken it or get it out of shape. What I ended up doing was adding
a spacer, which is about 1/2" thick in front of the nut plate for
support and then used a longer screw.
I've attached a picture of what I'm talking about, assuming it doesn't
get stripped off. Again just curious if anyone else has experienced
this.
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Hey all -
I perused the archives and couldn't find anything on the 0-540 B2B5 or
its suitability for the RV-10. Anyone know if this is usable, or where
I might be able to find out?
cj
#40410
fuse
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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Chris,
I believe that is a 235 HP motor with 7.5:1 comp pistons in it. It is
compatible with the RV10 if it has the right EARS on the motor mounts.
Is it an O-540 or IO-540?
Dean
40449
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<html><P>Chris,</P>
<P>I believe that is a 235 HP motor with 7.5:1 comp pistons in it.
It is compatible with the RV10 if it has the right EARS on the mo
tor mounts. Is it an O-540 or IO-540?</P>
<P>Dean</P>
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Chris,
Tim has this info posted on his website at
http://myrv10.com/tips/engine_IO540.html
The basic engine is compatible (it's a parallel valve) however you'll want to check
both the mounting ear size as Dean said and also the counterweights. The
2nd digit in the suffix is usually a '4' if it has the proper counterweights
for a Hartzel compact hub prop. It might also be missing the prop governer drive
gear. Both of these are simple to change (especially with your background).
Take a look at one of the charts on the above web page and you should get all the
info you need.
Bob
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74631#74631
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It's 0-540. does this mean I can change the pistons and it becomes a
260 hp version?
cj
40410
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ddddsp1@juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: 0-540 B2B5?
Chris,
I believe that is a 235 HP motor with 7.5:1 comp pistons in it. It is
compatible with the RV10 if it has the right EARS on the motor mounts.
Is it an O-540 or IO-540?
Dean
40449
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Sweet. Thanks bob.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:36 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: 0-540 B2B5?
Chris,
Tim has this info posted on his website at
http://myrv10.com/tips/engine_IO540.html
The basic engine is compatible (it's a parallel valve) however you'll
want to check both the mounting ear size as Dean said and also the
counterweights. The 2nd digit in the suffix is usually a '4' if it has
the proper counterweights for a Hartzel compact hub prop. It might also
be missing the prop governer drive gear. Both of these are simple to
change (especially with your background).
Take a look at one of the charts on the above web page and you should
get all the info you need.
Bob
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74631#74631
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The O-540-E4A5 says it's for higher speed and rating. How do they do that?
I know that the "E" is for the power section and nose, but what does that
really mean in comparison to the "C" in the -C4B5 model? What parts are
different?
Rob Wright
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 0-540 B2B5?
Sweet. Thanks bob.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:36 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: 0-540 B2B5?
Chris,
Tim has this info posted on his website at
http://myrv10.com/tips/engine_IO540.html
The basic engine is compatible (it's a parallel valve) however you'll
want to check both the mounting ear size as Dean said and also the
counterweights. The 2nd digit in the suffix is usually a '4' if it has
the proper counterweights for a Hartzel compact hub prop. It might also
be missing the prop governer drive gear. Both of these are simple to
change (especially with your background).
Take a look at one of the charts on the above web page and you should
get all the info you need.
Bob
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74631#74631
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| Subject: | Post Component Construction Priming |
I've been think about doing something like this with some Lowes Depot
misting nozzles adapted to some sort of tubing. The price they want for
the "paint gun" version of the foggers is nuts. If I ever come up with
something that works well I'll let the group know.
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Wright
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:42 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Post Component Construction Priming
Before I started on my -10, I was setting up to build the CH 640 and
went to the rudder workshop in Eastman, GA. There, on their certified
Alarus airplanes, they've set up a contraption with holes drilled in PVC
pipe (call it a "wand"), installed nozzles, and hooked up to an air
pressure source.
Then they take the long wand, put Corrosion X in it, insert it all the
way down through the completed wing, begin spraying, and slowly pull it
out of the wing.
Look them up at www.newplane.com and ask for Terry (one of the owning
partners) for more specifics. Feel free to mention that I referred you.
I was also there this summer for our local EAA chapter's fly-in over
there to check out their operation. He remembered me from a couple of
years before, as my wife attended with me during the workshop. Great
folks to talk to.
Rob Wright
#392
Fuse
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:54 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Post Component Construction Priming
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
ACF-50 is the other big one out there for corrosion protection. I
believe they both sell small versions of the FBO equipment for fogging.
Might be one of those handy tools for a chapter to get. ACF and
Corrosion-X are very similar and both work very well. They get into the
tiniest of gaps and are completely non-conducting. This is the route I
decided on way back rather than all the extra priming weight and effort.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
millstees@ameritech.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:03 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Post Component Construction Priming
I used corrosionX on my Arrow. It is sprayed on with a hand sprayer,
and worked pretty well.
www.corrosionx.com/
Steve Mills
RV-10 40486 Slow-build
Naperville, Illinois
finishing fuselage
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:48 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Post Component Construction Priming
Hello Listers,
For those of us a bit less consumed with priming (as in... we're not
priming)... but wouldn't mind a some protection from corrosion, does
anyone one know of a dipping or misting process that can be used on
assembled components?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
Flaps
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| Subject: | Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the RV-12 |
Cool, half the functionality and twice the price of a Chelton/Op
Tech/GRT system. But then again, no rib mods. Wake up Van's and change
what's there!
Michael
Do not archive my sarcasm. Heh
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Wright
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:30 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the
RV-12
Vans and Garmin are working on a way to have the G900 installed with no
panel rib mods... more to follow!
Rob Wright
#392
Fuse
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the RV-12
After studying in-depth the VANS website on the RV-12, am I mistaken or
is glass EFIS okay for the RV-12 but not for an RV-10 where the panel
ribs were intentionally placed to interfere with glass EFIS insertion.
Amber Peterson, Rian Johnson and Phil Rivall are to be commended for
bringing VANS into the 21st century (only six years late) with
Solidworks engineering. It was also exciting to see them incorporate a
panel insert for a Garmin 496/396/296 or 196. Now anyone want to take
bets they will never ever redesign the panel ribs on the RV-10 out of
shear stubbornness?
Did anyone else note the ergonomically canted panel as well. Directly
perpendicular into the pilot's eyes for ease of scanning.
http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/RV-12/12crew_prepares.jpg
<http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/RV-12/12crew_prepares.jpg>
John Cox
#40600
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| Subject: | Tailcone finished |
Help would be a plus. I'm not eschewing help, just don't have any.
Plus I have ape arms so I can reach all the way in the skins. Ha!
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Wright
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:35 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tailcone finished
I did my bottom wing skins as well, but I really don't advise it. I've
got plenty of dings that will be covered eventually with body filler and
paint, but just having them there until that point will be fairly sore
on my eyes.
None of the dings are sharp or seem structurally unsound, but having
nice smooth rivet lines would be nice - get help bucking wings!
Rob Wright
#392
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:31 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tailcone finished
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I am to the point of fitting the canopy and have had help on maybe 2
or 3 occasions when my arms just were not long enough. Did the wings
completely by myself and even the canopy fittings by myself (not fun) so
no one should have no help as excuse for not pounding rivets! :-)
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:55 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Tailcone finished
Tailcone finally flippin' finished!
I'll update the web site in a couple days and discuss there about my
impressions of what to do and not to do. Big point is, don't hesitate
to get bucking help. Bruce Breckenridge and I proved you can go it
alone, or nearly so (I think I had help on 15 rivets), but why? Doing
it solo can be done, but the amount of steps required per set of rivets,
which might be only two, is far more than might be worth it for many.
Anyway...
John J. (Heading into Buildus Interruptus yet again.)
#40328
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| Subject: | Koolmat Installation |
Ok - time for another really dumb question.
I am about to instal the Koolmat insulation on my firewall. The Koolmat
has a silicone side that will
withstand continuous temps up to 500=BAF and a fiberglass side rated to
1100=BAF. The Koolmat site indicates that the glue is applied to the
fiberglass side. If the Koolmat is installed on the cabin side of the
firwall, the silicone side is exposed to cabin temperature (ie much less
than 500=BAF). This is also a fairly typical use of Koolmat in cars.
If the Koolmat is installed on the engine side of the firewall (as I
plan), the silicone side will be exposed to full heat of the engine
compartment (may approach 500=BAF??). see
http://www.koolmat.com/aircraft.shtml
Why won't the silicone break down when exposed to the full engine heat?
What am I not understanding here??
cheers,
Ron
trying to finish like everyone else.
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| Subject: | Re: Post Component Construction Priming |
Here are two options for you. I am planning on one of these products after
completion and painting.
http://boeshield.com/index.htm
http://www.nocorrosion.com/corrosion-control.htm
Dave Leikam
40496
tailcone - (dimple, dimple, dimple...)
N89DA
Muskego, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Carpenter" <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:47 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Post Component Construction Priming
>
> Hello Listers,
>
> For those of us a bit less consumed with priming (as in... we're not
> priming)... but wouldn't mind a some protection from corrosion, does
> anyone one know of a dipping or misting process that can be used on
> assembled components?
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
> Flaps
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the RV-12 |
Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the RV-12Have not built a -10,
have not helped out on one.....yet.
But I'm going to ask the question anyway.
The RV-10, just like those Van's aircraft before it, is built as an
"experimental" so that means IF Van's builds it one way & you want the
modify it so it will take say a Ford V-8, or without a back seat so you
can haul surfboards or you want a gas pedal instead of a push/pull
throttle control.
Change it to fit YOUR needs, Van's builds kits for everyone. He sells
KITS not airplanes. If you don't like the panel rib set up because it
doesn't fit your wants and/or needs...change it.
We took some RV-4 parts & other parts from John Harmon, an IO-540 from a
Skybolt and made it into a "personalized" Rocket II.
Don't ask Van to change his design to fit your needs, change YOUR
airplane to fit your wants/needs.
Besides right now "I WANT " Van to concentrate on the RV-12 kit. AND I
will build my RV-12, MY WAY. I've ask the question too.
Why put a complete IFR glass panel in a VFR daylight LSA airplane like
the RV-12 ?. Maybe Van wants HIS RV-12 to fit HIS wants & needs. He
makes HIS, you make YOURS. KABONG Do Not Archive. 8*)
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From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:54 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the
RV-12
Cool, half the functionality and twice the price of a Chelton/Op
Tech/GRT system. But then again, no rib mods. Wake up Van's and change
what's there!
Michael
Do not archive my sarcasm. Heh
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Wright
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:30 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the
RV-12
Vans and Garmin are working on a way to have the G900 installed with
no panel rib mods. more to follow!
Rob Wright
#392
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:37 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the
RV-12
After studying in-depth the VANS website on the RV-12, am I mistaken
or is glass EFIS okay for the RV-12 but not for an RV-10 where the panel
ribs were intentionally placed to interfere with glass EFIS insertion.
Amber Peterson, Rian Johnson and Phil Rivall are to be commended for
bringing VANS into the 21st century (only six years late) with
Solidworks engineering. It was also exciting to see them incorporate a
panel insert for a Garmin 496/396/296 or 196. Now anyone want to take
bets they will never ever redesign the panel ribs on the RV-10 out of
shear stubbornness?
Did anyone else note the ergonomically canted panel as well. Directly
perpendicular into the pilot's eyes for ease of scanning.
http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/RV-12/12crew_prepares.jpg
John Cox
#40600
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Sort of... look at the lineage of yours from one of the basic models and then do
the same for the IO-540-D4A5. Most of the differences will be accessories,
counterweights, mags, etc.
For your engine, the jugs will have to come off to change the pistons. Doing this
also exposes the crankshaft counterweights which could changed at the same
time. The other obvious thing was that your engine doesn't have the drive gears
for a prop governer. I took a quick look at the parts manual and it appears
that you would have to split the case to put them in.
Let me know if you want/need more info and I can get you more detail.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: 0-540 E vs C |
Turns out the power section identifier was for the first version of the engine
in that series. Pick a couple engines from the info on Tim's web page and look
at the lineage - you'll find that they essentially start with the same thing
and are simply configuration differences. Funny thing is that occasionally you
wind up with something like the IO-540-C4B5 and IO-540-D4A5 (different power
section code) but are absolutely identical engines physically but rated differently.
The C4B5 is rated 250@2575 and the D4A5 is 260@2700. You'll also
see that the IO-540-D4A5 is the same as the O-540-E4A5 but with fuel injection
instead of a carb.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic |
on the RV-12
Hey John - are you an aeronautical engineer? I sure aint and I won't be
dickin' with anything that may affect the airworthiness of the plane I
plan to fly my family and friends in.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
Sent: Wednesday, 15 November 2006 2:31 PM
Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: RV10-List: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just
sarcastic on the RV-12
Have not built a -10, have not helped out on one.....yet.
But I'm going to ask the question anyway.
The RV-10, just like those Van's aircraft before it, is built as an
"experimental" so that means IF Van's builds it one way & you want the
modify it so it will take say a Ford V-8, or without a back seat so you
can haul surfboards or you want a gas pedal instead of a push/pull
throttle control.
Change it to fit YOUR needs, Van's builds kits for everyone. He sells
KITS not airplanes. If you don't like the panel rib set up because it
doesn't fit your wants and/or needs...change it.
We took some RV-4 parts & other parts from John Harmon, an IO-540 from a
Skybolt and made it into a "personalized" Rocket II.
Don't ask Van to change his design to fit your needs, change YOUR
airplane to fit your wants/needs.
Besides right now "I WANT " Van to concentrate on the RV-12 kit. AND I
will build my RV-12, MY WAY. I've ask the question too.
Why put a complete IFR glass panel in a VFR daylight LSA airplane like
the RV-12 ?. Maybe Van wants HIS RV-12 to fit HIS wants & needs. He
makes HIS, you make YOURS. KABONG Do Not Archive. 8*)
----- Original Message -----
From: RV Builder <mailto:rvbuilder@sausen.net> (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:54 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the
RV-12
Cool, half the functionality and twice the price of a Chelton/Op
Tech/GRT system. But then again, no rib mods. Wake up Van's and change
what's there!
Michael
Do not archive my sarcasm. Heh
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Wright
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:30 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the
RV-12
Vans and Garmin are working on a way to have the G900 installed with no
panel rib mods... more to follow!
Rob Wright
#392
Fuse
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the RV-12
After studying in-depth the VANS website on the RV-12, am I mistaken or
is glass EFIS okay for the RV-12 but not for an RV-10 where the panel
ribs were intentionally placed to interfere with glass EFIS insertion.
Amber Peterson, Rian Johnson and Phil Rivall are to be commended for
bringing VANS into the 21st century (only six years late) with
Solidworks engineering. It was also exciting to see them incorporate a
panel insert for a Garmin 496/396/296 or 196. Now anyone want to take
bets they will never ever redesign the panel ribs on the RV-10 out of
shear stubbornness?
Did anyone else note the ergonomically canted panel as well. Directly
perpendicular into the pilot's eyes for ease of scanning.
<http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/RV-12/12crew_prepares.jpg>
http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/RV-12/12crew_prepares.jpg
John Cox
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Koolmat InstallationRon I have just installed Koolmat on firewall as a
fix to what some are having with tunnel temps!
Temps will never get that high unless you have a fire!!
Went on easy .
chris 40388
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From: McGANN, Ron
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:19 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Koolmat Installation
Ok - time for another really dumb question.
I am about to instal the Koolmat insulation on my firewall. The
Koolmat has a silicone side that will
withstand continuous temps up to 500=BAF and a fiberglass side rated
to 1100=BAF. The Koolmat site indicates that the glue is applied to the
fiberglass side. If the Koolmat is installed on the cabin side of the
firwall, the silicone side is exposed to cabin temperature (ie much less
than 500=BAF). This is also a fairly typical use of Koolmat in cars.
If the Koolmat is installed on the engine side of the firewall (as I
plan), the silicone side will be exposed to full heat of the engine
compartment (may approach 500=BAF??). see
http://www.koolmat.com/aircraft.shtml
Why won't the silicone break down when exposed to the full engine
heat? What am I not understanding here??
cheers,
Ron
trying to finish like everyone else.
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Chris,
We did the exact thing to our B2B5 you wanna do. More than happy to tel
l you HOW and WHAT if you wanna call. The worm gears for the prop gover
nor drive are PRICEY! Let me know.
Dean 40449
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happy to tell you HOW and WHAT if you wanna call. The worm gears
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| Subject: | Koolmat Installation |
Chris, I saw your old machine MUM at the Wagga meeting. Very impressive!
Did you guys get your Koolmat local?
John 40315
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris , Susie
Darcy
Sent: Wednesday, 15 November 2006 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Koolmat Installation
Ron I have just installed Koolmat on firewall as a fix to what some are
having with tunnel temps!
Temps will never get that high unless you have a fire!!
Went on easy .
chris 40388
----- Original Message -----
From: McGANN, <mailto:ron.mcgann@baesystems.com> Ron
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:19 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Koolmat Installation
Ok - time for another really dumb question.
I am about to instal the Koolmat insulation on my firewall. The Koolmat
has
a silicone side that will
withstand continuous temps up to 500=BAF and a fiberglass side rated to
1100=BAF. The Koolmat site indicates that the glue is applied to the
fiberglass side. If the Koolmat is installed on the cabin side of the
firwall, the silicone side is exposed to cabin temperature (ie much less
than 500=BAF). This is also a fairly typical use of Koolmat in cars.
If the
Koolmat is installed on the engine side of the firewall (as I plan), the
silicone side will be exposed to full heat of the engine compartment
(may
approach 500=BAF??). see http://www.koolmat.com/aircraft.shtml
Why won't the silicone break down when exposed to the full engine heat?
What am I not understanding here??
cheers,
Ron
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Koolmat InstallationHi John no I got it from Aircraft spruce 4feet with
some other bits that were missing from kit (got sick of contacting
Vans!)
Chris
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From: John Dunne
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Koolmat Installation
Chris, I saw your old machine MUM at the Wagga meeting. Very
impressive!
Did you guys get your Koolmat local?
John 40315
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris , Susie
Darcy
Sent: Wednesday, 15 November 2006 2:45 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Koolmat Installation
Ron I have just installed Koolmat on firewall as a fix to what some
are having with tunnel temps!
Temps will never get that high unless you have a fire!!
Went on easy .
chris 40388
----- Original Message -----
From: McGANN, Ron
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:19 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Koolmat Installation
Ok - time for another really dumb question.
I am about to instal the Koolmat insulation on my firewall. The
Koolmat has a silicone side that will
withstand continuous temps up to 500=BAF and a fiberglass side rated
to 1100=BAF. The Koolmat site indicates that the glue is applied to the
fiberglass side. If the Koolmat is installed on the cabin side of the
firwall, the silicone side is exposed to cabin temperature (ie much less
than 500=BAF). This is also a fairly typical use of Koolmat in cars.
If the Koolmat is installed on the engine side of the firewall (as I
plan), the silicone side will be exposed to full heat of the engine
compartment (may approach 500=BAF??). see
http://www.koolmat.com/aircraft.shtml
Why won't the silicone break down when exposed to the full engine
heat? What am I not understanding here??
cheers,
Ron
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| Subject: | Koolmat Installation |
G'day John,
Got mine from Spruce. Ordered some high temp adhesive as well, but that
made the whole shipment 'hazardous' and increased freight by almost
A$600! - so I went without the $12 glue .
Gave my koolmat qustion some more thought - unlikely that temps at the
engine side of the firewall will exceed 200F or so, but I'm still
interested in knowing whether continuous exposure to high temps will
break down the silicone.
How was Wagga? I flew Adel-Syd-Sing-LHR-TelAviv on the Saturday and
flew past Wagga - saw the airfield but not see much activity at 37k
feet. Got back last friday and unpacked my GRT EFIS/EIS. Finishing the
turtle deck, avionics, wiring, doors and windows, but still not half way
'cause I have not yet installed the windshield - blast Tim O :-)
cheers
Ron
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Dunne
Sent: Wednesday, 15 November 2006 3:53 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Koolmat Installation
Chris, I saw your old machine MUM at the Wagga meeting. Very impressive!
Did you guys get your Koolmat local?
John 40315
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris , Susie
Darcy
Sent: Wednesday, 15 November 2006 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Koolmat Installation
Ron I have just installed Koolmat on firewall as a fix to what some are
having with tunnel temps!
Temps will never get that high unless you have a fire!!
Went on easy .
chris 40388
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From: McGANN, Ron <mailto:ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:19 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Koolmat Installation
Ok - time for another really dumb question.
I am about to instal the Koolmat insulation on my firewall. The Koolmat
has a silicone side that will
withstand continuous temps up to 500=BAF and a fiberglass side rated to
1100=BAF. The Koolmat site indicates that the glue is applied to the
fiberglass side. If the Koolmat is installed on the cabin side of the
firwall, the silicone side is exposed to cabin temperature (ie much less
than 500=BAF). This is also a fairly typical use of Koolmat in cars.
If the Koolmat is installed on the engine side of the firewall (as I
plan), the silicone side will be exposed to full heat of the engine
compartment (may approach 500=BAF??). see
http://www.koolmat.com/aircraft.shtml
Why won't the silicone break down when exposed to the full engine heat?
What am I not understanding here??
cheers,
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic |
on the RV-12
Okay - Okay tell me I'm just sarcastic on the RV-12NOPE, I'm not, but my
minor was in aeronautical engineering...BUT if I were building a -10 and
wanted to change something, anything I'd spend a little bit and seek the
advise of one. I'd do the same thing if I wanted to go from light
shingles to a heavy tile roof on my home. BUT there seems to be a lot of
-10 guys who are looking the same answer, sooo pool your funds and buy
the advise. Do Not Archive. KABONG BE HAPPY..
On the other hand maybe, just maybe, Van has considered all the other
ways but he also didn't want to be "dickin' with anything that may
affect the airworthiness of the plane" either.
----- Original Message -----
From: McGANN, Ron
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:37 PM
Subject: RE: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: RV10-List: Okay - Okay tell me I'm
just sarcastic on the RV-12
Hey John - are you an aeronautical engineer? I sure aint and I won't
be dickin' with anything that may affect the airworthiness of the plane
I plan to fly my family and friends in.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
Sent: Wednesday, 15 November 2006 2:31 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: RV10-List: Okay - Okay tell me I'm
just sarcastic on the RV-12
Have not built a -10, have not helped out on one.....yet.
But I'm going to ask the question anyway.
The RV-10, just like those Van's aircraft before it, is built as an
"experimental" so that means IF Van's builds it one way & you want the
modify it so it will take say a Ford V-8, or without a back seat so you
can haul surfboards or you want a gas pedal instead of a push/pull
throttle control.
Change it to fit YOUR needs, Van's builds kits for everyone. He
sells KITS not airplanes.
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| Subject: | Kits/Family - A Review |
All,
For those that may be interested and some who may be
lurking, attached is some observations/converastions that
my wife and I had based on all of the replies we recieved
from the Kits and Family thread.
It is a bit long, ~3 pages in Word, but an interesting read
for those wanting to add thier 2 cents (we describe our
buidling status scenerio in more detail and invite
suggestions) and those considering building to have some
helpful insight.
On another note:
I fished for a reply with a one liner on the original post
with no specific replies and will try once more. It may
have gotten scanned over.
I have an opportunity to switch careers in which my
employer will be overseas. If anyone has any expirience or
knows someone who does, in such matters and what to be wary
of or be sure you include in your "package" as an employee
I would like to share more info about the scenerio for your
feedback. It is a life altering opportunity and I am
checking all sorts of leads where I could make myself
knowledgeable before my visit with them.
For those who are considering a build, or know of someone
who is, I will be downloading all the replies that we
recieved from this original post into a Word document to
consolidate all the advice for our and anyone's future use.
Contact me directly if you would be interested in getting
this document.
Thanks to all for your help.
Matt Geans
Builder Wanna-be
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Hey Ron, =93Wings over Wagga=94 wasn=92t bad although it should=92ve
been called
=93Winds over Wagga=94. I must admit I didn=92t spend much time there
once I=92d
seen VH-VDM, Doug Montagues -10. (O-540, good ole steam gauges) It is
impressive to see the RV-10 in the flesh. It certainly stands out from
the
crowd (bias?)
I also had a look at the GRT=92s on display with Jon Johanson and
they=92re a
good unit. He pointed out it was most important to take the time to set
them
up correctly to get the most out of them.
Good to see your time away from home hasn=92t slowed you up any.
John
40315
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Wednesday, 15 November 2006 3:42 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Koolmat Installation
G'day John,
Got mine from Spruce. Ordered some high temp adhesive as well, but that
made the whole shipment 'hazardous' and increased freight by almost
A$600! -
so I went without the $12 glue .
Gave my koolmat qustion some more thought - unlikely that temps at the
engine side of the firewall will exceed 200F or so, but I'm still
interested
in knowing whether continuous exposure to high temps will break down the
silicone.
How was Wagga? I flew Adel-Syd-Sing-LHR-TelAviv on the Saturday and
flew
past Wagga - saw the airfield but not see much activity at 37k feet.
Got
back last friday and unpacked my GRT EFIS/EIS. Finishing the turtle
deck,
avionics, wiring, doors and windows, but still not half way 'cause I
have
not yet installed the windshield - blast Tim O :-)
cheers
Ron
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Dunne
Sent: Wednesday, 15 November 2006 3:53 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Koolmat Installation
Chris, I saw your old machine MUM at the Wagga meeting. Very impressive!
Did you guys get your Koolmat local?
John 40315
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris , Susie
Darcy
Sent: Wednesday, 15 November 2006 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Koolmat Installation
Ron I have just installed Koolmat on firewall as a fix to what some are
having with tunnel temps!
Temps will never get that high unless you have a fire!!
Went on easy .
chris 40388
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From: McGANN, <mailto:ron.mcgann@baesystems.com> Ron
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:19 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Koolmat Installation
Ok - time for another really dumb question.
I am about to instal the Koolmat insulation on my firewall. The Koolmat
has
a silicone side that will
withstand continuous temps up to 500=BAF and a fiberglass side rated to
1100=BAF. The Koolmat site indicates that the glue is applied to the
fiberglass side. If the Koolmat is installed on the cabin side of the
firwall, the silicone side is exposed to cabin temperature (ie much less
than 500=BAF). This is also a fairly typical use of Koolmat in cars.
If the
Koolmat is installed on the engine side of the firewall (as I plan), the
silicone side will be exposed to full heat of the engine compartment
(may
approach 500=BAF??). see http://www.koolmat.com/aircraft.shtml
Why won't the silicone break down when exposed to the full engine heat?
What am I not understanding here??
cheers,
Ron
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