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1. 06:39 AM - mail box full (Wayne Edgerton)
2. 06:57 AM - Re: mail box full (James Hein)
3. 08:37 AM - Re: mail box full (Deems Davis)
4. 08:56 AM - Re: mail box full (bob.kaufmann)
5. 10:21 AM - Seat belts attach points - am I confused? (Jay Brinkmeyer)
6. 10:38 AM - backup fuel pump question (Jay Brinkmeyer)
7. 10:51 AM - Re: backup fuel pump question (David McNeill)
8. 04:07 PM - Re: Seat belts attach points - am I confused? (John W. Cox)
9. 05:41 PM - Re: Seat belts attach points - am I confused? (David McNeill)
10. 07:29 PM - Trim cables question (jdalton77)
11. 07:31 PM - Re: Trim cables question (Rob Wright)
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Hey Deems, I tried to e-mail you something off line and it says you
e-mail box over flowth. Clean up you act mister :>}
Wayne Edgerton #40336
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: mail box full |
You know, if his email box is full, he won't get your message to the
list either :)
But, someone probably knows how to contact him and taunt him a bit :)
-Jim 40384
Auxillary fuel tank brackets done
Wayne Edgerton wrote:
> Hey Deems, I tried to e-mail you something off line and it says you
> e-mail box over flowth. Clean up you act mister :>}
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> Wayne Edgerton #40336
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| Subject: | Re: mail box full |
Don't know what the problem is, I just checked my e-mail account to see
if I had any alerts etc. and it say I'm only @ 17% of allocated
capacity, I checked the Matronics BBS interface to see if I've been
missing messages and it looks like I'm receiving everything there, I
just sent an e-mail from one of my other e-mail accounts to this account
and it arrived all right, also checked the spam file to see if something
got intercepted there, So I stumped!
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Wayne Edgerton wrote:
> Hey Deems, I tried to e-mail you something off line and it says you
> e-mail box over flowth. Clean up you act mister :>}
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I think its builders elbow. :>))
Bob K
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: mail box full
Don't know what the problem is, I just checked my e-mail account to see
if I had any alerts etc. and it say I'm only @ 17% of allocated
capacity, I checked the Matronics BBS interface to see if I've been
missing messages and it looks like I'm receiving everything there, I
just sent an e-mail from one of my other e-mail accounts to this account
and it arrived all right, also checked the spam file to see if something
got intercepted there, So I stumped!
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Wayne Edgerton wrote:
> Hey Deems, I tried to e-mail you something off line and it says you
> e-mail box over flowth. Clean up you act mister :>}
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> Wayne Edgerton #40336
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> do not archive
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| Subject: | Seat belts attach points - am I confused? |
Skimming posts regarding need for additional seat belt hard points leaves me...
puckering. Are folks saying that the current -10 seat belt attach points are
"inadequate"?
For the most part, we the building community, place our lives in the hands of a
few structural aero engineers. Unless you have that sort of background the rest
is speculation - at best.
Jay
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| Subject: | backup fuel pump question |
While shooting the breeze recently with a 17000+ hour pilot I commented that my
fuel pump had just arrived. He said, "Just one? Where's the backup pump going
to go?". I then realized that I had never thought about it before, but there
only a single pump in the tunnel. Is there another "backup" pump that maybe
mounts directly on the engine (e.g. io540)? What have others done here?
Thanks in advance,
Jay
- Rivet purgatory on fuse skins
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| Subject: | Re: backup fuel pump question |
the primary pump is the engine driven fuel pump on the IO540 designed to go
to TBO. If it fails, the tunnel electric is the backup; it is also used for
priming to start.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Brinkmeyer" <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 11:25 AM
Subject: RV10-List: backup fuel pump question
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> While shooting the breeze recently with a 17000+ hour pilot I commented
> that my
> fuel pump had just arrived. He said, "Just one? Where's the backup pump
> going
> to go?". I then realized that I had never thought about it before, but
> there
> only a single pump in the tunnel. Is there another "backup" pump that
> maybe
> mounts directly on the engine (e.g. io540)? What have others done here?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Jay
> - Rivet purgatory on fuse skins
>
>
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| Subject: | Seat belts attach points - am I confused? |
Let me go out on that limb and say Yes, David McNeill's mount appears to
spread the concentration of attachment force over a wider area and
provide greater retention of the passenger in a survivable crash (IMHO).
Passengers tend not to always limit their body weigh to 177 pounds and
carry only 35 pounds of baggage (which should be positively secured to
the floor).
VAN must say that their current design is adequate. This is a
perception of degrees of improvement. I don't think VANS could/ would
ever discourage pursuit of David's correction technique. I think
multiple point straps will do even more retention. I attended an
interesting PPT from the Oregon State Medical Examiner on post mortem
evaluations. Limb fractures were most interesting.
His Halon suppression system also an improvement.
He also sought aeronautical engineering perspective in his decision.
David gets my Safety Award for 2006. Boeing has many Apache Helicopter
engineers at Mesa to drawn on. An unexpected autorotation when you suck
a shoulder launched (RPG) mounted rocket can really make your day.
John Cox - 600
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay
Brinkmeyer
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 10:20 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Seat belts attach points - am I confused?
<jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
Skimming posts regarding need for additional seat belt hard points
leaves me...
puckering. Are folks saying that the current -10 seat belt attach points
are
"inadequate"?
For the most part, we the building community, place our lives in the
hands of a
few structural aero engineers. Unless you have that sort of background
the rest
is speculation - at best.
Jay
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Seat belts attach points - am I confused? |
Inadequate? probably only in a crash. Before starting to reinforce the
existing hardpoints, we asked two questions: What do we need to attach
the
inertial belts/airbags? Is the existing hardware and hard point
adequate?
Although my background/degree is mathematics and computers and I have an
A&P, I did need feel that these were sufficient to answer the questions?
Fortunately I have a neighbor couple who hold Mechanical Engineering and
Electrical Engineering PhDs who provide free advice. In addition my
building
partner has access to engineers who use composites and sheet metal to
build
military aviation hardware. Both sources indicated that a single 5/16"
CS
screw would pull right through the glass in any significant crash. It
is
standard procedure in composite construction to spread the load of the
metal
fastener over as large an area as possible. If you decide to go with the
existing hard points, I suggest you make a large washer out of .020
stainless and dimple it for the 5/16" screw, this will spread the load
from
the screw (area = PI radius(.025) squared ) to the washer diameter (
PI
radius (.5) squared). Check the calculations and find that the load is
spread over about 6 times the area. We elected to spread the load by
using
multiple fasteners each with its own stainless CS washer and reinforce
the
whole area with additional E-glass . The aluminum plate inside is the
strongest aluminum alloy 7075 or 2024. We use the aluminum to attach the
belt roller brackets. My engineering friends said that the weak point
would
still be the composite. We then used a structural mat to tie all the
hardpoints together.
I am sure that Vans believes that the hardpoints are sufficiently strong
but
this is there first use of structural composites. Except for cowl I
don't
know of another structural component that they use on their aircraft.
The change of the hardpoints were not done on a whim or without
consultation
from those who should know. Just my $.02.
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| Subject: | Trim cables question |
So, after cursing and struggling with the Trim control cables I finally
got them all routed and hooked up.
Now the manual tells me to disassemble the HS/Tailcone/VS. Do I have to
pull out the cables I routed or did any of you disconnect them at the
trim motor?
Jeff Dalton
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| Subject: | Trim cables question |
After all of my struggling to connect them I left them connected for at
least two days so I cold take pictures, but then yes, I disconnected them
from the elevators. Left them attached to the trim motor/mount.
Rob Wright
#392
Fuse Floor Pans
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdalton77
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:28 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Trim cables question
So, after cursing and struggling with the Trim control cables I finally got
them all routed and hooked up.
Now the manual tells me to disassemble the HS/Tailcone/VS. Do I have to
pull out the cables I routed or did any of you disconnect them at the trim
motor?
Jeff Dalton
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