---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 11/19/06: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:22 AM - Re: backup fuel pump question (RAS) 2. 05:53 AM - Re: Trim cables question (egohr1) 3. 07:17 AM - Re: Re: Trim cables question (Tim Olson) 4. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Trim cables question (KiloPapa) 5. 08:55 AM - Re: Trim cables question (DejaVu) 6. 08:58 AM - FW: [LML] Re: Insurance Training (John W. Cox) 7. 09:16 AM - Gretz GA-1000 Wiring (Larry Rosen) 8. 03:01 PM - Re: Re: Trim cables question (Tim Olson) 9. 03:39 PM - Front seats hard to slide (GenGrumpy@aol.com) 10. 03:54 PM - RV-10 PAPSP (Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency & Safety Program) (Deems Davis) 11. 03:59 PM - Re: Front seats hard to slide () 12. 05:01 PM - Re: RV-10 PAPSP (Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency & Safety Program) (bob.kaufmann) 13. 05:25 PM - Re: RV-10 PAPSP (Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency & Safety Program) (jdalton77) 14. 06:41 PM - Re: RV-10 PAPSP (Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency & Safety Program) (John W. Cox) 15. 06:52 PM - Re: RV-10 PAPSP (Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency & Safety Program) (Richard Sipp) 16. 07:12 PM - Re: RV-10 PAPSP (Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency & Safety Program) (Paul Grimstad) 17. 07:17 PM - Re: RV-10 PAPSP (Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency & Safety Program) (John Ackerman) 18. 07:32 PM - Re: RV-10 PAPSP (Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency & Safety Program) (Lloyd, Daniel R.) 19. 10:15 PM - Re: Gretz GA-1000 Wiring (Scott Lewis) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:33 AM PST US From: "RAS" Subject: Re: RV10-List: backup fuel pump question Hi, The pump in the tunnel is actually your back up pump. The lycoming has a mechanical fitted on the rear housing which does all the pumping under normal operation. The best about this system is that you have to "check" your back up pump to prime the system. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Brinkmeyer" Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 6:25 PM Subject: RV10-List: backup fuel pump question > > While shooting the breeze recently with a 17000+ hour pilot I commented > that my > fuel pump had just arrived. He said, "Just one? Where's the backup pump > going > to go?". I then realized that I had never thought about it before, but > there > only a single pump in the tunnel. Is there another "backup" pump that > maybe > mounts directly on the engine (e.g. io540)? What have others done here? > > Thanks in advance, > Jay > - Rivet purgatory on fuse skins > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:53 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Trim cables question From: "egohr1" Yes, I disconnected them, but before you pull them though tape a piece of heavy wall tygon tubing to the end of the tube. Leave the tube in the HS as a fish line. When you go to reinstall the tube the tubing will make the reinstllation mech easier. -------- eric gohr EGOHR86@alumni.carnegiemellon.edu Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=75576#75576 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:59 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Trim cables question Great idea Eric. One thing, for those doing the pre-assembly of the tail. There's really not a lot to be gained by installing the trim mechanism early. You may as well wait untilvyou get to the step post-painting where you have to assemble all of the airframe. I didn't really find anything necessary that needed to be done early. If it were me, I'd just avoid it until later. You could still assemble the rest of the tail so you can cut the intersection fairing though. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive egohr1 wrote: > > > Yes, I disconnected them, but before you pull them though tape a > piece of heavy wall tygon tubing to the end of the tube. Leave the > tube in the HS as a fish line. When you go to reinstall the tube the > tubing will make the reinstllation mech easier. > > -------- eric gohr EGOHR86@alumni.carnegiemellon.edu > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:56 AM PST US From: "KiloPapa" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Trim cables question Tim, Are you speaking of the elevator trim? Kevin 40494 tail/empennage do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 7:17 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Trim cables question > > Great idea Eric. One thing, for those doing the pre-assembly of the > tail. There's really not a lot to be gained by installing the trim > mechanism early. You may as well wait untilvyou get to the step > post-painting where you have to assemble all of the airframe. I didn't > really find anything necessary that needed to be done early. If it were > me, I'd just avoid it until later. You could still assemble the rest of > the tail so you can cut the intersection fairing though. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:26 AM PST US From: "DejaVu" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trim cables question Jeff, I think there are disadvantages at both ends. I did mine at the trim tabs end. There's not much room at the trim motor end to secure the cables. If you have big arms to stick them through that little bulkhead, you'd have to crawl inside the tailcone to secure the cables at the trim motor. Before you install the rudder for the last time though there are four nutplates required on the VS spar to secure the emp fairing. Make sure those are installed or you'd have to take the rudder off one more time to rivet the nutplates, or use screw/nut later. Anh #141 ----- Original Message ----- From: jdalton77 To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 10:28 PM Subject: RV10-List: Trim cables question So, after cursing and struggling with the Trim control cables I finally got them all routed and hooked up. Now the manual tells me to disassemble the HS/Tailcone/VS. Do I have to pull out the cables I routed or did any of you disconnect them at the trim motor? Jeff Dalton ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:24 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: FW: [LML] Re: Insurance Training From: "John W. Cox" To Rick Sked, Bob and those thinking about Insurance alternatives. Here is a historical perspective on the value of a controlled pool of insured's and the value of regular annual High Performance Training beyond the token ten hours of initial Transition Training. Don't read this wrong, Mike Seager does a great job with Transition. Annual HP training includes looking at every accident, each cause, critical flight maneuvers and demonstrating mastery of the skills needed to avoid the outcome. This was the solution to the Effect and the Cause was a lot of motivated builders, lacking adequate skills flying beyond their ability in High Performance Aircraft. This is now the norm with Cirrus, Columbia and Lancair. The FAA is following the trend on frequency of loss and correlation to training. The potential is there for everyone at about the time you are 90% complete. ________________________________ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of VTAILJEFF@aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 8:17 AM Subject: [LML] Re: Insurance Pilot: ATP, CFII, 7000+ TT, 800+ time in type Lancair IVP initial and annual recurrent factory training Aircraft: LIVP TSIO 550, factory inspection program Insurance: $400,000 hull ($100,000 per seat) Falcon broker with AIG underwriter Premium: 2006 : $7,713 2005 : $7,513 Policy Premium before Lancair Insurance Program: 2004 : $12,875 (Global) Thanks Joe B. -- I owe you a lot of beers! Jeff ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:22 AM PST US From: Larry Rosen Subject: RV10-List: Gretz GA-1000 Wiring Does anyone have a wiring diagram for the Gretz Aero GA-1000 heated pitot tube they would share with me? Larry Rosen larryrosen@comcast.net #356 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:07 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Trim cables question Yep, elevator trim. I didn't even start to install my actuation until >30 days from flight. No big deal at all. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive KiloPapa wrote: > > Tim, > > Are you speaking of the elevator trim? > > Kevin > 40494 > tail/empennage > > do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 7:17 AM > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Trim cables question > > >> >> Great idea Eric. One thing, for those doing the pre-assembly of the >> tail. There's really not a lot to be gained by installing the trim >> mechanism early. You may as well wait untilvyou get to the step >> post-painting where you have to assemble all of the airframe. I didn't >> really find anything necessary that needed to be done early. If it were >> me, I'd just avoid it until later. You could still assemble the rest >> of the tail so you can cut the intersection fairing though. >> >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >> do not archive > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:39:34 PM PST US From: GenGrumpy@aol.com Subject: RV10-List: Front seats hard to slide For those who have their birds flying, how did you solve the front seats being so hard to slide when sitting in them? I'm now at 30 hrs and have had them out twice to silicone lube them. They slide ok for a couple of flights, then get very hard to slide again. Anybody found a permanent solution to ease the slide? Grumpy #40404, 30 hrs and counting DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:54:42 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 PAPSP (Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency & Safety Program) I'd like to float an idea to the group with the community zeroing in on 700 builders, and that is: Why don't we organize an RV-10 Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency Safety Program - PAPSP- ? I believe that several of the certificated type's have similar programs ( I know that Bonanza's/Barons do) so there are models out there that can be adopted/examined. With the strength of the building community evidenced on this list, and some prior posts aimed at organizing -10 type flyins. Why couldn't we combine those objectives? Loosely speaking the idea would be to periodically (annually initially?) meet at a fly-in (what about Doug Reeves Land Of Enchantment?). In between the hangar talk and comeraderie. there could be a pilot skills clinic established to talk specifically to -10 issues, as well as an aircraft safety/performance clinic (might even couple it with a formation flying clinic) . The clinics could be classroom based, cockpit/airframe based, or both. A ciriculum/s would have to be developed, guidelines established, volunteerism would have to be significant, but the benefits in Insurance, Safety, and potential performance improvements could be enormous, a 'self-regulating' group would likely draw the favor of insurance companies and underwriters. It also could just be a "Lot of Fun" (and could redirect some of the energy that goes into the building process into the 'flying' process and potentially delay the starting of another project to satisfy the 'need') Anyway just an idea, Anybody listening? Deems Davis # 406 Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! ) http://deemsrv10.com/ John W. Cox wrote: > To Rick Sked, Bob and those thinking about Insurance alternatives. > Here is a historical perspective on the value of a controlled pool of > insureds and the value of regular annual High Performance Training > beyond the token ten hours of initial Transition Training. Dont read > this wrong, Mike Seager does a great job with Transition. Annual HP > training includes looking at every accident, each cause, critical > flight maneuvers and demonstrating mastery of the skills needed to > avoid the outcome. > > This was the solution to the Effect and the Cause was a lot of > motivated builders, lacking adequate skills flying beyond their > ability in High Performance Aircraft. This is now the norm with > Cirrus, Columbia and Lancair. The FAA is following the trend on > frequency of loss and correlation to training. The potential is there > for everyone at about the time you are 90% complete. > >* >* > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:52 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV10-List: Front seats hard to slide I wish Have that problem now. Hugo # 40456 finish canopy > > From: GenGrumpy@aol.com > Date: 2006/11/19 Sun PM 06:38:52 EST > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Front seats hard to slide > > For those who have their birds flying, how did you solve the front seats > being so hard to slide when sitting in them? > > I'm now at 30 hrs and have had them out twice to silicone lube them. They > slide ok for a couple of flights, then get very hard to slide again. > > Anybody found a permanent solution to ease the slide? > > Grumpy > #40404, 30 hrs and counting > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:47 PM PST US From: "bob.kaufmann" Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 PAPSP (Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency & Safety Program) Great idea Deems, I think combining it with other seminars, or should I say learning experiences would be a good idea. I agree and can think of some other half hour to hour fillers. How about into to electrics, into to fiberglass, boo boo repair along with the proficiency safety Program. I can see some day it evolving to RV-10 instrument reviews/refreshers with the new glass, or guess what I found works this way along with the physical proficiency part of the weekend. I love the challenge of flying formations, and the need is great for training in safe ways to fly formation, safe ways to rejoin or join up, and pre-briefing on what the expected flight will be. At work we spend more time planning each flight and de-briefing each flight than we ever do flying unless we are doing an across the pond, tanking scenario. I like the LOE site because of the people there and the attitude of the people. Not sure of the weather, but that's all part of the territory. Self insurance wise, we have gotten some good response and I will try to get all those that replied on a monthly mailing list to keep you appraised of the self-insurance hobbs meter. Again, we are taking names of people that are interested in being in a self insurance program to reduce the cost. For those who haven't expressed interest you can be going to www.aircraftmutual.com and filling out an interest form. We need 1000 people to become involved or to show interest and we are not even close yet. That by the way was a shameless plug, and now I'll go back to putting in the Duckworks HIDs. Bob K 90/92 Falling behind because of the dreaded thing called work. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 PAPSP (Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency & Safety Program) I'd like to float an idea to the group with the community zeroing in on 700 builders, and that is: Why don't we organize an RV-10 Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency Safety Program - PAPSP- ? I believe that several of the certificated type's have similar programs ( I know that Bonanza's/Barons do) so there are models out there that can be adopted/examined. With the strength of the building community evidenced on this list, and some prior posts aimed at organizing -10 type flyins. Why couldn't we combine those objectives? Loosely speaking the idea would be to periodically (annually initially?) meet at a fly-in (what about Doug Reeves Land Of Enchantment?). In between the hangar talk and comeraderie. there could be a pilot skills clinic established to talk specifically to -10 issues, as well as an aircraft safety/performance clinic (might even couple it with a formation flying clinic) . The clinics could be classroom based, cockpit/airframe based, or both. A ciriculum/s would have to be developed, guidelines established, volunteerism would have to be significant, but the benefits in Insurance, Safety, and potential performance improvements could be enormous, a 'self-regulating' group would likely draw the favor of insurance companies and underwriters. It also could just be a "Lot of Fun" (and could redirect some of the energy that goes into the building process into the 'flying' process and potentially delay the starting of another project to satisfy the 'need') Anyway just an idea, Anybody listening? Deems Davis # 406 Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! ) http://deemsrv10.com/ John W. Cox wrote: > To Rick Sked, Bob and those thinking about Insurance alternatives. > Here is a historical perspective on the value of a controlled pool of > insured's and the value of regular annual High Performance Training > beyond the token ten hours of initial Transition Training. Don't read > this wrong, Mike Seager does a great job with Transition. Annual HP > training includes looking at every accident, each cause, critical > flight maneuvers and demonstrating mastery of the skills needed to > avoid the outcome. > > This was the solution to the Effect and the Cause was a lot of > motivated builders, lacking adequate skills flying beyond their > ability in High Performance Aircraft. This is now the norm with > Cirrus, Columbia and Lancair. The FAA is following the trend on > frequency of loss and correlation to training. The potential is there > for everyone at about the time you are 90% complete. > >* >* > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:23 PM PST US From: "jdalton77" Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 PAPSP (Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency & Safety Program) Deems, Great idea. I would participate in creating/attending something like this. Jeff Dalton Finished Emp Kit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deems Davis" Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 6:54 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 PAPSP (Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency & Safety Program) > > I'd like to float an idea to the group with the community zeroing in on > 700 builders, and that is: Why don't we organize an RV-10 Pilot & Aircraft > Proficiency Safety Program - PAPSP- ? I believe that several of the > certificated type's have similar programs ( I know that Bonanza's/Barons > do) so there are models out there that can be adopted/examined. With the > strength of the building community evidenced on this list, and some prior > posts aimed at organizing -10 type flyins. Why couldn't we combine those > objectives? Loosely speaking the idea would be to periodically (annually > initially?) meet at a fly-in (what about Doug Reeves Land Of > Enchantment?). In between the hangar talk and comeraderie. there could be > a pilot skills clinic established to talk specifically to -10 issues, as > well as an aircraft safety/performance clinic (might even couple it with a > formation flying clinic) . The clinics could be classroom based, > cockpit/airframe based, or both. A ciriculum/s would have to be developed, > guidelines established, volunteerism would have to be significant, but the > benefits in Insurance, Safety, and potential performance improvements > could be enormous, a 'self-regulating' group would likely draw the favor > of insurance companies and underwriters. It also could just be a "Lot of > Fun" (and could redirect some of the energy that goes into the building > process into the 'flying' process and potentially delay the starting of > another project to satisfy the 'need') > > Anyway just an idea, > > Anybody listening? > > Deems Davis # 406 > Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! ) > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > John W. Cox wrote: > >> To Rick Sked, Bob and those thinking about Insurance alternatives. Here >> is a historical perspective on the value of a controlled pool of insureds >> and the value of regular annual High Performance Training beyond the >> token ten hours of initial Transition Training. Dont read this wrong, >> Mike Seager does a great job with Transition. Annual HP training includes >> looking at every accident, each cause, critical flight maneuvers and >> demonstrating mastery of the skills needed to avoid the outcome. >> >> This was the solution to the Effect and the Cause was a lot of motivated >> builders, lacking adequate skills flying beyond their ability in High >> Performance Aircraft. This is now the norm with Cirrus, Columbia and >> Lancair. The FAA is following the trend on frequency of loss and >> correlation to training. The potential is there for everyone at about the >> time you are 90% complete. >> >>* >>* >> > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:41:44 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 PAPSP (Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency & Safety Program) From: "John W. Cox" Deems - I am listening. Willing to advance the idea too. Like LOE, since most won't come west to VANS in September. Tim's timing this year seemed right on. DEN might prove doable for those flying on Air Carriers. It kind of needs to be near the tail of the summer flying schedule so as not to interfere with fly outs. I'm also partial to Copperstate weekend. Would be happy to lend my Lancair HPATs syllabus to the mix. John Cox -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 PAPSP (Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency & Safety Program) I'd like to float an idea to the group with the community zeroing in on 700 builders, and that is: Why don't we organize an RV-10 Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency Safety Program - PAPSP- ? I believe that several of the certificated type's have similar programs ( I know that Bonanza's/Barons do) so there are models out there that can be adopted/examined. With the strength of the building community evidenced on this list, and some prior posts aimed at organizing -10 type flyins. Why couldn't we combine those objectives? Loosely speaking the idea would be to periodically (annually initially?) meet at a fly-in (what about Doug Reeves Land Of Enchantment?). In between the hangar talk and camaraderie. there could be a pilot skills clinic established to talk specifically to -10 issues, as well as an aircraft safety/performance clinic (might even couple it with a formation flying clinic) . The clinics could be classroom based, cockpit/airframe based, or both. A curriculum/s would have to be developed, guidelines established, volunteerism would have to be significant, but the benefits in Insurance, Safety, and potential performance improvements could be enormous, a 'self-regulating' group would likely draw the favor of insurance companies and underwriters. It also could just be a "Lot of Fun" (and could redirect some of the energy that goes into the building process into the 'flying' process and potentially delay the starting of another project to satisfy the 'need') Anyway just an idea, Anybody listening? Deems Davis # 406 Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! ) http://deemsrv10.com/ John W. Cox wrote: > To Rick Sked, Bob and those thinking about Insurance alternatives. > Here is a historical perspective on the value of a controlled pool of > insured's and the value of regular annual High Performance Training > beyond the token ten hours of initial Transition Training. Don't read > this wrong, Mike Seager does a great job with Transition. Annual HP > training includes looking at every accident, each cause, critical > flight maneuvers and demonstrating mastery of the skills needed to > avoid the outcome. > > This was the solution to the Effect and the Cause was a lot of > motivated builders, lacking adequate skills flying beyond their > ability in High Performance Aircraft. This is now the norm with > Cirrus, Columbia and Lancair. The FAA is following the trend on > frequency of loss and correlation to training. The potential is there > for everyone at about the time you are 90% complete. > >* >* > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:12 PM PST US From: "Richard Sipp" Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 PAPSP (Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency & Safety Program) Ditto on the great idea Deems. There is no limit to what could included in the agendas. There will soon be a large enough flying fleet and resident talent to make this sort of thing valuable and lots of fun. There is already an established protocol for non-warbird, non-aerobatic formation training. Formation Flight Incorporated is lead by Stu McCurdy and his training seminars can lead to issuanace of FAA aurthorization for participation in formation flights in restricted airspace such as S&F and Oshkosh. While it is not everyone's cup of tea, if you get the bug you will enjoy the experience. It is serious business and a rewarding skill to learn. Stu has already done a little work with the 10 in a mixed type formation and there appently will be some visibility issues to deal with. I would assume these could be overcome in an all "10" flight. Vernier type throttles are usually not allowed in a formation flight, as you are moving the throttle too much to make that workable. The twist lock push pull type and lever quadrants are fine. Dick Sipp 40065 N110DV Finishing ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:01 PM PST US From: "Paul Grimstad" Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 PAPSP (Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency & Safety Program) Deems Count me in. I'll show up even if my 10 is still a bunch of parts. Could the idea expended to include all models of RV builders and owners? Not a copy of the home coming at VAN's but centered around the theme of Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency and Safety Program. The consideration might be that more models in the brand with increased safe flying and maintenance skills could help drive down those premiums, in addition to a larger customer base for providers and underwriters to consider. Brand v/s model? Could sponsors be considered to help organize and fund such an event. Vans, EAA, insurance providers, engine builders, avionics, tools, and specialties. Show displays and offers? I'll be watching this idea grow. Paul Grimstad RV10 40450 fuselage Portland, OR 97219 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deems Davis" Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 PAPSP (Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency & Safety Program) > > I'd like to float an idea to the group with the community zeroing in on > 700 builders, and that is: Why don't we organize an RV-10 Pilot & Aircraft > Proficiency Safety Program - PAPSP- ? I believe that several of the > certificated type's have similar programs ( I know that Bonanza's/Barons > do) so there are models out there that can be adopted/examined. With the > strength of the building community evidenced on this list, and some prior > posts aimed at organizing -10 type flyins. Why couldn't we combine those > objectives? Loosely speaking the idea would be to periodically (annually > initially?) meet at a fly-in (what about Doug Reeves Land Of > Enchantment?). In between the hangar talk and comeraderie. there could be > a pilot skills clinic established to talk specifically to -10 issues, as > well as an aircraft safety/performance clinic (might even couple it with a > formation flying clinic) . The clinics could be classroom based, > cockpit/airframe based, or both. A ciriculum/s would have to be developed, > guidelines established, volunteerism would have to be significant, but the > benefits in Insurance, Safety, and potential performance improvements > could be enormous, a 'self-regulating' group would likely draw the favor > of insurance companies and underwriters. It also could just be a "Lot of > Fun" (and could redirect some of the energy that goes into the building > process into the 'flying' process and potentially delay the starting of > another project to satisfy the 'need') > > Anyway just an idea, > > Anybody listening? > > Deems Davis # 406 > Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! ) > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > John W. Cox wrote: > >> To Rick Sked, Bob and those thinking about Insurance alternatives. Here >> is a historical perspective on the value of a controlled pool of insureds >> and the value of regular annual High Performance Training beyond the >> token ten hours of initial Transition Training. Dont read this wrong, >> Mike Seager does a great job with Transition. Annual HP training includes >> looking at every accident, each cause, critical flight maneuvers and >> demonstrating mastery of the skills needed to avoid the outcome. >> >> This was the solution to the Effect and the Cause was a lot of motivated >> builders, lacking adequate skills flying beyond their ability in High >> Performance Aircraft. This is now the norm with Cirrus, Columbia and >> Lancair. The FAA is following the trend on frequency of loss and >> correlation to training. The potential is there for everyone at about the >> time you are 90% complete. >> >>* >>* >> > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:59 PM PST US From: John Ackerman Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 PAPSP (Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency & Safety Program) Super idea, Deems! Model-specific proficiency training, both initial and recurrent, could do as much as any thing I can think of to promote safe operation and low insurance rates. It appears we may have several people who could be capable instructors - and that's the key need. The idea of LOE as (one) venue is particularly good - something like what you suggest would add greatly to both LOE and Copperstate. What can I do to help? do not archive John Ackerman On Nov 19, 2006, at 4:54 PM, Deems Davis wrote: > > I'd like to float an idea to the group with the community zeroing in > on 700 builders, and that is: Why don't we organize an RV-10 Pilot & > Aircraft Proficiency Safety Program ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:14 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 PAPSP (Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency & Safety Program) From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." I think an idea like this could only help and benefit all involved. I would be honored to participate. When I was in the Navy, I had 11 courses of instruction that I was responsible for, as well in the civilian world I have developed training curriculum, and work in IT helping others. I would be happy to help develop a course of instruction and re-current training for all involved. I will also be working towards and completing a CFII ticket, so we could develop a schedule around it to conduct flight reviews at the same time, kind of a one stop RV10 clinic. By the way did your wife give you the message I left the other day, when you were out traveling around? Dan -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 6:54 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 PAPSP (Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency & Safety Program) I'd like to float an idea to the group with the community zeroing in on 700 builders, and that is: Why don't we organize an RV-10 Pilot & Aircraft Proficiency Safety Program - PAPSP- ? I believe that several of the certificated type's have similar programs ( I know that Bonanza's/Barons do) so there are models out there that can be adopted/examined. With the strength of the building community evidenced on this list, and some prior posts aimed at organizing -10 type flyins. Why couldn't we combine those objectives? Loosely speaking the idea would be to periodically (annually initially?) meet at a fly-in (what about Doug Reeves Land Of Enchantment?). In between the hangar talk and comeraderie. there could be a pilot skills clinic established to talk specifically to -10 issues, as well as an aircraft safety/performance clinic (might even couple it with a formation flying clinic) . The clinics could be classroom based, cockpit/airframe based, or both. A ciriculum/s would have to be developed, guidelines established, volunteerism would have to be significant, but the benefits in Insurance, Safety, and potential performance improvements could be enormous, a 'self-regulating' group would likely draw the favor of insurance companies and underwriters. It also could just be a "Lot of Fun" (and could redirect some of the energy that goes into the building process into the 'flying' process and potentially delay the starting of another project to satisfy the 'need') Anyway just an idea, Anybody listening? Deems Davis # 406 Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! ) http://deemsrv10.com/ John W. Cox wrote: > To Rick Sked, Bob and those thinking about Insurance alternatives. > Here is a historical perspective on the value of a controlled pool of > insured's and the value of regular annual High Performance Training > beyond the token ten hours of initial Transition Training. Don't read > this wrong, Mike Seager does a great job with Transition. Annual HP > training includes looking at every accident, each cause, critical > flight maneuvers and demonstrating mastery of the skills needed to > avoid the outcome. > > This was the solution to the Effect and the Cause was a lot of > motivated builders, lacking adequate skills flying beyond their > ability in High Performance Aircraft. This is now the norm with > Cirrus, Columbia and Lancair. The FAA is following the trend on > frequency of loss and correlation to training. The potential is there > for everyone at about the time you are 90% complete. > >* >* > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:31 PM PST US From: Scott Lewis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gretz GA-1000 Wiring Larry, Will Reply off list. Regards, Scott Lewis do not archive Larry Rosen wrote: > > Does anyone have a wiring diagram for the Gretz Aero GA-1000 heated > pitot tube they would share with me? > > Larry Rosen > larryrosen@comcast.net > #356 > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.