---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 11/26/06: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:58 AM - Re: Wing leading edge questions (Jae Chang) 2. 06:19 AM - Weight of the IO-540? (John Gonzalez) 3. 06:55 AM - Re: Weight of the IO-540? () 4. 07:28 AM - Re: Wing leading edge questions (John Ackerman) 5. 11:13 AM - Re: Wing leading edge questions (noel@blueskyaviation.net) 6. 01:08 PM - Re: Wing leading edge questions (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 7. 01:38 PM - Re: FW: torn rib (Jesse Saint) 8. 05:13 PM - 2 Tailcone Questions: F-1012B came unpunched, small tear in F-1010 (MauleDriver) 9. 05:46 PM - Re: Heated Pitot Tube Selection & Angle of Attack Probe (Patrick Pulis) 10. 05:51 PM - Re: 2 Tailcone Questions: F-1012B came unpunched, small tear in F-1010 (Rick) 11. 06:11 PM - Updating numbers (John Jessen) 12. 06:25 PM - Re: 2 Tailcone Questions: F-1012B came unpunched, small tear in F-1010 (David Maib) 13. 06:59 PM - Low Left Door Problem (zackrv8) 14. 07:04 PM - wheel bearings (Sean Blair) 15. 07:07 PM - Re: 2 Tailcone Questions: F-1012B came unpunched, small tear in F-1010 (John W. Cox) 16. 07:36 PM - Re: Low Left Door Problem (Tim Olson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:26 AM PST US From: "Jae Chang" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing leading edge questions Hi Eric... I finished my leading edges not that long ago. Instead of ordering/installing any of the accessories, I left the outer rib clecoed, so I could order and install accessories some time later. With the stall warning gizmo, I had not even considered not installing it, since it's such a useful thing to have. Are people just forgoing the mechnical stall indicator, for the AOA, or replacing it with something better? Jae -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric_Kallio Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:34 AM Subject: RV10-List: Wing leading edge questions I am getting ready to start the leading edges of my wings and plunk down some more money for accessories. I intend on purchasing the Gretz 1000 heated pitot, the Duckworks HID landing lights, and the AFS AOA. After reviewing the archives several of you had said that you were putting the light and the AOA on the last bay. Any feedback on how that worked out as far as space and ease of maintenace for the future? I was also looking at simply closing the stall horn holes and not installing it, as others have done. Does any body flying think that is something I should still install? Finally any other tips or gotchas out there. I have been all over Tim's and Deems's sites...pretty much live on those, and Mike Howe's also. Thanks for your feedback. Eric Kallio #40518 SB wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=76864#76864 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:53 AM PST US From: "John Gonzalez" Subject: RV10-List: Weight of the IO-540? Can anyone give me a rough estimate of what their IO-540 and the aluminum propeller weight is? Just trying to do some planning estimates. Thanks JOhn G. 409, Thinking about electrons ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:37 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV10-List: Weight of the IO-540? IO-540 (C4B5) is somewhere around 420 lbs 2 bladed Hartzel is approx 80 lbs Someone else may have more exact numbers. Jim C N312F 40192 Do Not Archive =========================================================== From: "John Gonzalez" Subject: RV10-List: Weight of the IO-540? Can anyone give me a rough estimate of what their IO-540 and the aluminum propeller weight is? Just trying to do some planning estimates. Thanks JOhn G. 409, Thinking about electrons =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:07 AM PST US From: John Ackerman Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing leading edge questions Jae, I decided to forego the mechanical stall warning. One still has to fill the little stall warning locator holes in both leading edges. I don't know of a real good way, but filled mine with West System epoxy made really thick with their high density filler. If you do that, you may want to wax and tape the skin to make cleanup easier, but not right at the holes... John Ackerman do not archive On Nov 26, 2006, at 6:57 AM, Jae Chang wrote: > matronics_rv10@jline.com> > > Hi Eric... > > I finished my leading edges not that long ago. Instead of ordering/ > installing > any of the accessories, I left the outer rib clecoed, so I could > order and > install accessories some time later. > > With the stall warning gizmo, I had not even considered not > installing it, since > it's such a useful thing to have. Are people just forgoing the > mechnical stall > indicator, for the AOA, or replacing it with something better? > > Jae > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric_Kallio > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:34 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Wing leading edge questions > > > I am getting ready to start the leading edges of my wings and plunk > down some > more money for accessories. I intend on purchasing the Gretz 1000 > heated pitot, > the Duckworks HID landing lights, and the AFS AOA. After reviewing > the archives > several of you had said that you were putting the light and the AOA > on the last > bay. Any feedback on how that worked out as far as space and ease > of maintenace > for the future? I was also looking at simply closing the stall horn > holes and > not installing it, as others have done. Does any body flying think > that is > something I should still install? Finally any other tips or gotchas > out there. I > have been all over Tim's and Deems's sites...pretty much live on > those, and Mike > Howe's also. Thanks for your feedback. > > Eric Kallio > #40518 SB wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=76864#76864 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:13:04 AM PST US From: "noel@blueskyaviation.net" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing leading edge questions intresting thead. this gets a little long and I am not using an e-mail with spelling so this is witen in what I call ACS (artisic crative spelling) It has been quite a long time since I finished 325HP acualy almost 4 aircraft ago (or was it 5?). I am not a really big proponet of AOA units I have installed two different units on three different aircraft with limited end usfullness, by that I mean once you have goten all the nice lights and or dials to hit red as soon as the nose falls over you prity well have the aircarft under control and know were you are. However, The RV-10 with its large CG envlope, Large paylode weight, Large theator of operations (very much unlike a KitFox)I noticed that an AOA unit would be NICE, I aualy had the stock stall warning set up so when it squaked I knew that it was time to add some speed and power. Solo, or with two people I rarly ever had the stall warning go off but with pepole in the back it was usual. Anyway I thought that A little more fuel would be nice. the HID ligts in the leading edges are almost a must. The Gretzs pitot tube with the power saving, pitot tube saving, good fealling LEDs to tell you it is On and Hot or cold is great (it gose aft of the spar not in the leding edge. My thoughts, your milage will (and should) vary. Noel Original Message: ----------------- From: John Ackerman johnag5b@cableone.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing leading edge questions Jae, I decided to forego the mechanical stall warning. One still has to fill the little stall warning locator holes in both leading edges. I don't know of a real good way, but filled mine with West System epoxy made really thick with their high density filler. If you do that, you may want to wax and tape the skin to make cleanup easier, but not right at the holes... John Ackerman do not archive On Nov 26, 2006, at 6:57 AM, Jae Chang wrote: > matronics_rv10@jline.com> > > Hi Eric... > > I finished my leading edges not that long ago. Instead of ordering/ > installing > any of the accessories, I left the outer rib clecoed, so I could > order and > install accessories some time later. > > With the stall warning gizmo, I had not even considered not > installing it, since > it's such a useful thing to have. Are people just forgoing the > mechnical stall > indicator, for the AOA, or replacing it with something better? > > Jae > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric_Kallio > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:34 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Wing leading edge questions > > > I am getting ready to start the leading edges of my wings and plunk > down some > more money for accessories. I intend on purchasing the Gretz 1000 > heated pitot, > the Duckworks HID landing lights, and the AFS AOA. After reviewing > the archives > several of you had said that you were putting the light and the AOA > on the last > bay. Any feedback on how that worked out as far as space and ease > of maintenace > for the future? I was also looking at simply closing the stall horn > holes and > not installing it, as others have done. Does any body flying think > that is > something I should still install? Finally any other tips or gotchas > out there. I > have been all over Tim's and Deems's sites...pretty much live on > those, and Mike > Howe's also. Thanks for your feedback. > > Eric Kallio > #40518 SB wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=76864#76864 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:08:54 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing leading edge questions From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Hmm, I think I just put rivets in mine. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ackerman Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing leading edge questions Jae, I decided to forego the mechanical stall warning. One still has to fill the little stall warning locator holes in both leading edges. I don't know of a real good way, but filled mine with West System epoxy made really thick with their high density filler. If you do that, you may want to wax and tape the skin to make cleanup easier, but not right at the holes... John Ackerman do not archive On Nov 26, 2006, at 6:57 AM, Jae Chang wrote: > matronics_rv10@jline.com> > > Hi Eric... > > I finished my leading edges not that long ago. Instead of ordering/ > installing any of the accessories, I left the outer rib clecoed, so I > could order and install accessories some time later. > > With the stall warning gizmo, I had not even considered not installing > it, since it's such a useful thing to have. Are people just forgoing > the mechnical stall indicator, for the AOA, or replacing it with > something better? > > Jae > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric_Kallio > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:34 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Wing leading edge questions > > > I am getting ready to start the leading edges of my wings and plunk > down some more money for accessories. I intend on purchasing the Gretz > 1000 heated pitot, the Duckworks HID landing lights, and the AFS AOA. > After reviewing the archives several of you had said that you were > putting the light and the AOA on the last bay. Any feedback on how > that worked out as far as space and ease of maintenace for the future? > I was also looking at simply closing the stall horn holes and not > installing it, as others have done. Does any body flying think that is > something I should still install? Finally any other tips or gotchas > out there. I have been all over Tim's and Deems's sites...pretty much > live on those, and Mike Howe's also. Thanks for your feedback. > > Eric Kallio > #40518 SB wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=76864#76864 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:50 PM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: torn rib I'd check with Van's. It wouldn't hurt to put in a doubler, and would probably be best to bend a piece of aluminum at least that thickness and rivet it to the broken piece and onto the piece that it rivets to, carrying the load where the broken piece will be weaker. Van's will probably say to either just file out the crack down to the drilled hole and possibly add a small doubler, but I would certainly at least drop them the same e-mail that you sent to the list. Do not archive. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org W: 352-465-4545 C: 352-427-0285 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Blair Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 11:58 PM Subject: RV10-List: FW: torn rib While installing one of the side-steps, I got a little too aggressive and managed to produce a small tear from the upper relief downward about 5/8 of an inch on the baggage rib. I drilled a stop, but wonder if I need to do something more. Any advice on this one? Picture is attached. Thanks once again. Sean Blair #40225 -- 11:30 AM -- 11:30 AM ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:52 PM PST US From: MauleDriver Subject: RV10-List: 2 Tailcone Questions: F-1012B came unpunched, small tear in F-1010 During initial assembly of tailcone, I noticed that F-1012B was not pre-punched for the skin. The plans shows both A & B as pre-punched. It will be very easy to match drill the bulkhead using the skin punches and relying on the A bulkhead for alignment. But I am curious whether others have encountered the same thing. I also noticed a very small tear in the thin flange around the central hole in bulkhead F-1010. It appears to have resulted from the forming of the flange. It would seem to be subject to enlarging if the area is stressed. Would a stop hole be called for? Or grinding the tear out? Or a new part? I will be going to Vans with this. Link to photos of tear: http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=0&log=23464&row=4 Bill Watson "MauleDriver" The QB Fuse and Wing arrived last week (9 weeks early) - here we Gooooooo! ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:29 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Heated Pitot Tube Selection & Angle of Attack Probe From: "Patrick Pulis" Thanks Tim and Jesse, looks like the Gretz is the go. Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Tim Olson [mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com] Sent: Sunday, 26 November 2006 6:03 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Heated Pitot Tube Selection & Angle of Attack Probe I don't know what criteria would be ultra valuable regarding the pitot tube, but the indicated airspeed is good and close, there's no worry about rust with the Gretz, and I've been in soggy IMC at 0 degrees C, and not had it ice up. The thing is, until someone actually has a problem with it, I wouldn't expect anything but ordinary "it works fine" reports. Before completion I had worried that perhaps some day I may regret my choice. At 177 hours, I don't have any regrets, for what it's worth. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Jesse Saint wrote: > I use the Gretz mount for the Falcon pitot. Works great. I would > also like to hear how the Gretz pitot is working out for people. > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:20 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: 2 Tailcone Questions: F-1012B came unpunched, small tear in F-1010 Bill, The 1010 flange has been an issue since the beginning, I didn't have it but I know many others did. Some opted to buff it out and if I recall, were told it was OK by Van's to do that, other sent it back and recieved a replacment part. Personally for that small of a crack I would buff it back and smooth it out but I don't want to lead you astray, or what I mean is incur the "wrath" of the flame throwers....We had a joke a while back about the "Golden Rivet" this was the rivet that if not properly installed and it failed would result in a "zipper effect" of all rivets coming loose and you and your aircraft fluttering to the ground....oops...did I say flutter? scratch that...I meant flaying to the ground. As for the 1012B, I believe mine was punched but that was kit #185. After seeing how Van's fabricaes the parts is strange that the holes were missed, I watched the machine make a few parts and it did holes cutting and then the part was stacked for stamping.....but the cutting and the holes were on the same process....don't know what to tell you except is easy enough to matchdrill it in assembly. Rick S. 40185 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:54 PM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RV10-List: Updating numbers Doing a web site update and repair session. Anyone know what we are up to as far as kits shipped? Someone with a recent delivery, what's your builder number? Thanks, John Jessen #40328 (buildus interruptus time is web site building and repair time) Do not archive -- 11:30 AM ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:29 PM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV10-List: 2 Tailcone Questions: F-1012B came unpunched, small tear in F-1010 My F-1012B was not pre-punched for the skin either. I just match drilled as you have noted. No tears in my F-1010. Kit # 40559 Regards, David Maib Do not archive On Nov 26, 2006, at 7:12 PM, MauleDriver wrote: During initial assembly of tailcone, I noticed that F-1012B was not pre-punched for the skin. The plans shows both A & B as pre- punched. It will be very easy to match drill the bulkhead using the skin punches and relying on the A bulkhead for alignment. But I am curious whether others have encountered the same thing. I also noticed a very small tear in the thin flange around the central hole in bulkhead F-1010. It appears to have resulted from the forming of the flange. It would seem to be subject to enlarging if the area is stressed. Would a stop hole be called for? Or grinding the tear out? Or a new part? I will be going to Vans with this. Link to photos of tear: http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php? user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=0&log=23464&row=4 Bill Watson "MauleDriver" The QB Fuse and Wing arrived last week (9 weeks early) - here we Gooooooo! ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:48 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Low Left Door Problem From: "zackrv8" OK. I'm guessing here. But I think Vans has a problem with the mold of the left door/cabin interface. I read about the many builders (who have websites) who have there left door sit low and subsequently needed to shim it to bring it up to meet the top of the cabin. Maybe a coincidence? Mine had the same thing. LLD (Low Left Door)! Had to shim. Right side fit perfectly with no shims. Also, there's something else going on with the attachment of the gas struts. I had to redo my left door gas strut bracket on the cabin because the gas strut hit the door when closed. Built per plans. Damn. I wish Vans would fix this so others don't have the same problem. Zack -------- RV8 #80125 RV10 # 40512 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=77152#77152 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:33 PM PST US From: "Sean Blair" Subject: RV10-List: wheel bearings I started putting the wheels together today. It appears the bearings have been pre-greased and are ready to go. Does everyone agree, or did you have to use more grease? If so..recommendations? Thanks, Sean Blair #40225 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:06 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: 2 Tailcone Questions: F-1012B came unpunched, small tear in F-1010 From: "John W. Cox" This subject was extensively posted when John Hilger received not one but three defectively formed items in a row. They (the responses) should all be in the archive. The posts at that time was "forgetaboutit", sand it, stop drill it or do the correct action. Require that the defective part is replaced with one which is correctly formed. Vans is great at that. You are the QC on all components installed. Unfortunately wingtips, canopy, and wheel pants is another can of QC worms. The process of deburring holes, edges and bends is to relieve the stress which leads to a crack. Once you have a crack in a finished aircraft a stop drill is only a band-aid to eventual component replacement. A wise builder does not knowingly place defective parts in any assembly. A conniving builder will avoid posting such a finding into writing on the WEB and just hide it in the finished assembly. Now that it is documented on the web, your options become more limited. Vans only manufactures or resells others parts, you are the manufacturer of the future airworthy aircraft. You are the final QC. John Cox the Turbanator #40600 Do not Archive for litigation reasons -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 5:13 PM Subject: RV10-List: 2 Tailcone Questions: F-1012B came unpunched, small tear in F-1010 During initial assembly of tailcone, I noticed that F-1012B was not pre-punched for the skin. The plans shows both A & B as pre-punched. It will be very easy to match drill the bulkhead using the skin punches and relying on the A bulkhead for alignment. But I am curious whether others have encountered the same thing. I also noticed a very small tear in the thin flange around the central hole in bulkhead F-1010. It appears to have resulted from the forming of the flange. It would seem to be subject to enlarging if the area is stressed. Would a stop hole be called for? Or grinding the tear out? Or a new part? I will be going to Vans with this. Link to photos of tear: http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project=2 24&category=0&log=23464&row=4 Bill Watson "MauleDriver" The QB Fuse and Wing arrived last week (9 weeks early) - here we Gooooooo! ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:20 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Low Left Door Problem I didn't have the lift cylinder issue, but I can verify that I had to shim my left side slightly, but not the right. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive zackrv8 wrote: > > OK. I'm guessing here. But I think Vans has a problem with the mold > of the left door/cabin interface. I read about the many builders > (who have websites) who have there left door sit low and subsequently > needed to shim it to bring it up to meet the top of the cabin. Maybe > a coincidence? > > Mine had the same thing. LLD (Low Left Door)! Had to shim. Right > side fit perfectly with no shims. Also, there's something else going > on with the attachment of the gas struts. I had to redo my left door > gas strut bracket on the cabin because the gas strut hit the door > when closed. Built per plans. Damn. I wish Vans would fix this so > others don't have the same problem. > > Zack > > -------- RV8 #80125 RV10 # 40512 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=77152#77152 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.