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1. 01:41 AM - Re: Re: Mr. Olson finally made it to the press :-)Re: Mr. Olson finally made it to the press :-) (Russell Daves)
2. 01:48 AM - Battery Wire (Russell Daves)
3. 01:52 AM - Re: Newest 10 Builder (Russell Daves)
4. 03:43 AM - Re: 7.9mm ream anyone (Rob Kermanj)
5. 03:52 AM - Re: Wire routing--TUNNEL? (Rob Kermanj)
6. 04:30 AM - Re: 7.9mm ream anyone (Jesse Saint)
7. 04:39 AM - Re: Re: Mr. Olson finally made it to the press :-)Re: Mr. Olson finally made it to the press :-) (Jesse Saint)
8. 04:40 AM - Re: Newest 10 Builder (Jesse Saint)
9. 04:42 AM - Re: Newest 10 Builder (Marcus Cooper)
10. 05:01 AM - Re: Newest 10 Builder (Steve Stella)
11. 05:38 AM - Re: Shielded wire. (Larry Rosen)
12. 05:39 AM - Re: Battery Wire (Larry Rosen)
13. 06:11 AM - Re: 7.9mm ream anyone (Deems Davis)
14. 06:33 AM - Re: Shielded wire. (Rick)
15. 06:36 AM - Re: Wire routing--TUNNEL? (Rick)
16. 06:42 AM - Re: Re: Bending skin edges after dimpling (Rick)
17. 06:58 AM - Re: Wire routing--TUNNEL? (Rob Kermanj)
18. 08:58 AM - Re: Newest 10 Builder (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
19. 09:42 AM - Re: Shielded wire. (John Gonzalez)
20. 10:03 AM - Re: Newest 10 Builder (Deems Davis)
21. 10:10 AM - Re: clearance (Deems Davis)
22. 10:36 AM - Re: Newest 10 Builder (tomhanaway)
23. 10:58 AM - Re: Newest 10 Builder (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
24. 11:01 AM - Re: Newest 10 Builder (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
25. 11:52 AM - AOPA rebate closeout (David McNeill)
26. 11:53 AM - Re: Newest 10 Builder (Rick)
27. 12:07 PM - Re: AOPA rebate closeout (Kelly McMullen)
28. 12:54 PM - Jeff's LED lights (John Gonzalez)
29. 01:05 PM - Re: AOPA rebate closeout (Bob Leffler)
30. 01:19 PM - Re: Jeff's LED lights (Deems Davis)
31. 03:07 PM - Re: 7.9mm ream anyone (Randy DeBauw)
32. 03:51 PM - quiet (Rob Wright)
33. 03:59 PM - Re: quiet (James Hein)
34. 04:01 PM - Re: 7.9mm ream anyone (McGANN, Ron)
35. 04:17 PM - Re: AOPA rebate closeout (Marcus Cooper)
36. 05:40 PM - Draft of GRT EFIS Horizon User Manual (Mark Ritter)
37. 05:49 PM - Re: Draft of GRT EFIS Horizon User Manual (David McNeill)
38. 06:44 PM - Re: Draft of GRT EFIS Horizon User Manual (Mark Ritter)
39. 07:16 PM - Re: Newest 10 Builder (orchidman)
40. 08:17 PM - Re: Rear Tie Down Eye Bolt (Scott Schmidt)
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| Subject: | Re: Mr. Olson finally made it to the press :-)Re: Mr. Olson |
finally made it to the press :-)
I plan on doing Sun & Fun 2007. Maybe we could meet at Jesse's home
base in Florida and do a group RV-10 flyin to Sun & Fun.
Russ Daves
N710RV
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John, the best battery wire around for the long run from the tailcone to
the firewall is Super-2-CCA FatWire. You can order it from
http://periheliondesign.com/fatwires.htm
It is super flexible and really light weight. I love it. You can order
a few feet extra and also use it to make up a great ground wire from the
engine to the firewall as well.
Russ Daves
N710RV
First flight 7/28/06
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| Subject: | Re: Newest 10 Builder |
Welcome aboard. You are going to love both building and flying the
RV-10. I highly recommend getting all the great RV-10 builders web
sites set up as favorites and using their knowledge on a regular basis
while building. If it had not been for Tim Olson's web site I would
probably still be building instead of flying. Since Tim a number of
other builders have also developed great web sites which will help you
get a great cross section of knowledge during the building process.
In addition, don't forget to use the search engine on Matronics for
answers to questions as well.
Russ Daves
N710RV
First Flight 7/28/06
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| Subject: | Re: 7.9mm ream anyone |
I reamed mine. It seemed simpler than drilling. I ground the upper
"steps" of the reamer and threaded it into the hole from the outboard
(opposite) side of the hole. I then chucked it into the drill and
pulled it through the hole. Drilling the hole just did not seem too
humane!
do not archive
Rob Kermanj
On Dec 11, 2006, at 9:55 PM, McGANN, Ron wrote:
> On this subject, how many have reamed the landing gear holes rather
> than drilled them? I reamed the mounts to 7.9mm so I have the
> reamer. But the actual landing gear itself is one hunk o' steel.
> Is it difficult to ream?
>
> cheers
> Ron
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Ritter
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2006 1:15 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: 7.9mm ream anyone
>
>
>
> John,
>
> I won't sell it but you are welcome to use it for as long as you
> need it.
> Just promise to pass it along to the next builder. Send me your
> mailing
> address.
>
> Mark ( (410MR)
> 40043
>
>
> >From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> >To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RV10-List: 7.9mm ream anyone
> >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:25:38 -0800
> >
> >Are there any of the flying RV-10 builders that would like to sell
> their
> >7.9 MM ream?
> >
> >John Cox
> >#40600
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Wire routing--TUNNEL? |
The tunnel in my 10 used to get hot to touch and I believe would burn
your leg if you hold your leg against it long enough. I totally
disconnected the left side heat muff and used a "Y" on the right side
to bring cold air into the tunnel (via the left valve) and heated air
for the cabin. During the summer I still had to stick rags into the
heater outlets to prevent the hot air leaking into the cabin.
I have not done much more trouble shooting. I live in Florida and
everything is HOT! Perhaps it is not as much of an issue elsewhere.
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Rob Kermanj
On Dec 11, 2006, at 11:50 PM, John Gonzalez wrote:
> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
> So many people have discussed the hot tunnel temperatures
> associated with their Lycoming heating and air system. First, is
> there any left over room in the tunnel for anything, as in wire
> bundles, upper right and left corners. Is the temperature in the
> tunnel so hot that is makes it an impractical area to route
> anything except hot water to make cocoa on long flights?
>
> Thinking about putting in a third hole in the bulkheads above the
> main spar
>
> Just thinking, Just asking.
>
> John G.
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| Subject: | 7.9mm ream anyone |
The gear leg itself doesn=92t need to be reamed, just the holes in the
support
bracket. We reamed, although I believe with a 5/16 reamer, or whatever
Van=92s says is =93fine=94 instead of the 7.9mm.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:55 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 7.9mm ream anyone
On this subject, how many have reamed the landing gear holes rather than
drilled them? I reamed the mounts to 7.9mm so I have the reamer. But
the
actual landing gear itself is one hunk o' steel. Is it difficult to
ream?
cheers
Ron
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Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2006 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 7.9mm ream anyone
John,
I won't sell it but you are welcome to use it for as long as you need
it.
Just promise to pass it along to the next builder. Send me your mailing
address.
Mark ( (410MR)
40043
>From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV10-List: 7.9mm ream anyone
>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:25:38 -0800
>
>Are there any of the flying RV-10 builders that would like to sell
their
>7.9 MM ream?
>
>John Cox
>#40600
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mr. Olson finally made it to the press :-)Re: Mr. Olson |
finally made it to the press :-)
You=92d all be very welcome. For most people it would be on the way to
SNF,
especially if you are out of state. Also, we have cheap gas. I guess
the
flight from here to SNF is about 30 minutes, so it is a natural spot.
Let
me know who might be interested in coming and we will see how it goes
from
there. X35 is the airport, Dunnellon, FL. We should also be able to at
least put a few people up for the night if you want to overnight. We
will
have N256H here, and possibly N415EC and/or N416EC, and may have another
one
in progress in the shop at that time.
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I-TEC, Inc.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Daves
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:40 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Mr. Olson finally made it to the press
:-)Re:
Mr. Olson finally made it to the press :-)
I plan on doing Sun & Fun 2007. Maybe we could meet at Jesse's home
base in
Florida and do a group RV-10 flyin to Sun & Fun.
Russ Daves
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| Subject: | Newest 10 Builder |
Congratulations! For new builders, it would be nice to see where you are located
(and for all the rest, I guess). I know a lot of it is on the Google map thingy.
I will start. I am in Dunnellon (north central) Florida, X35.
Jesse Saint
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 11:13 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Newest 10 Builder
I have been looking and drooling over the 10 since April of this year. Took the
2-many-thousand-$ flight at Oshkosh and ordered my Emp and Wings this morning.
Tells you what I though of the flight and the plane. :D
This afternoon I got my builder number which is 674 so I dont think we can get
a better update as to how many 10 kits have been sold/started through today.
As to lead times, the Emp kit should ship Friday of this week or early next week
and the Wing kit will ship right at 8 weeks from now, but might be 7 weeks.
I am sure the lead times will increase as Dec 31 approaches.
I am excited about joining this elite group.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p935#80935
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| Subject: | Newest 10 Builder |
Gary,
Welcome to the RV-10 world, you definitely won't regret it. I've been amazed
at how much better my life has been since I got my flying. Not really tongue
in cheek either, we've been able to visit my daughter in college, family, and
recently do some house hunting for our upcoming move that simply would not have
been possible either driving or flying commercially. The airplane is so easy
to fly that you arrive still fresh and ready to go. Have fun, and I couldn't
recommend Tim Olsen's website any more as an outstanding reference, I used
it almost more than the plans.
Marcus
40286
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 11:13 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Newest 10 Builder
I have been looking and drooling over the 10 since April of this year. Took the
2-many-thousand-$ flight at Oshkosh and ordered my Emp and Wings this morning.
Tells you what I though of the flight and the plane. :D
This afternoon I got my builder number which is 674 so I dont think we can get
a better update as to how many 10 kits have been sold/started through today.
As to lead times, the Emp kit should ship Friday of this week or early next week
and the Wing kit will ship right at 8 weeks from now, but might be 7 weeks.
I am sure the lead times will increase as Dec 31 approaches.
I am excited about joining this elite group.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p935#80935
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| Subject: | Newest 10 Builder |
Gary,
Welcome to the club, I think I'm now 2nd to the newest kit. I just ordered mine
in November and I'm ready to prime the vertical stabilizer. My builder # is 654.
Steve
Empenage #40654
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 11:13 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Newest 10 Builder
I have been looking and drooling over the 10 since April of this year. Took the
2-many-thousand-$ flight at Oshkosh and ordered my Emp and Wings this morning.
Tells you what I though of the flight and the plane. :D
This afternoon I got my builder number which is 674 so I dont think we can get
a better update as to how many 10 kits have been sold/started through today.
As to lead times, the Emp kit should ship Friday of this week or early next week
and the Wing kit will ship right at 8 weeks from now, but might be 7 weeks.
I am sure the lead times will increase as Dec 31 approaches.
I am excited about joining this elite group.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p935#80935
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| Subject: | Re: Shielded wire. |
The special 4 wire shielded wire is for the runs to the strobe heads.
How about the power and grounds to the strobe power supply?
Just Tefzel wire?
Local ground or run a wire back to the ground block on the fire wall?
Larry
#356
Rick wrote:
>
> John,
>
> The strobe wires are sheilded, 4 wire stuff with a foil sheild and one bare,
one white, one clear, one red and one black. The wire came with my strobe package
from Creative Air.
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Wire |
Russ,
What length wire did you order?
Larry
Russell Daves wrote:
> John, the best battery wire around for the long run from the tailcone
> to the firewall is *Super-2-CCA FatWire. You can order it from
> http://periheliondesign.com/fatwires.htm*
> **
> *It is super flexible and really light weight. I love it. You can
> order a few feet extra and also use it to make up a great ground wire
> from the engine to the firewall as well.*
> **
> *Russ Daves*
> *N710RV*
> *First flight 7/28/06*
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: 7.9mm ream anyone |
I think this is one of the topics that gets more discussion than it
probably warrants. I just completed this step, and had a LOT of angst
prior to doing so. I ordered the 7.9mm DRILL bit from Mcmaster Carr
(having forgotten the advice to use a reamer). the day came to
drill/ream the holes and I debated about delaying and ordering a reamer.
Well I pressed ahead and found out the the Drill bit worked just fine.
It turns out that there is not a lot of material that gets removed in
the process, and the 7.9mm drill bit seemed to do the job just fine,
took very little time and produced excellent results.
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/.
>
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: 7.9mm ream anyone
>
>
>
> On this subject, how many have reamed the landing gear holes rather
> than drilled them? I reamed the mounts to 7.9mm so I have the
> reamer. But the actual landing gear itself is one hunk o' steel. Is
> it difficult to ream?
>
> cheers
> Ron
>
> **
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| Subject: | Re: Shielded wire. |
I used good o'l Tezfel like all the other parts but can't vouch that there is not
an issue because I haven't flown it yet but I did carry the ground forward
to the common single point on the firewall. The high volts are only carried out
to the actual strobe, depending on your setup the power supply uses either 12
or 24 volts input. I have connected all my grounds to a single point up front
except for the no noise resistance operated items like standard filament lights,
pitot heat, stick grip warmer, seat warmers and rear window deicers ;)
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: Wire routing--TUNNEL? |
Hot tunnel problems??? There is a problem with the tunnel getting hot?? Is this
with the Corvair, Subaru or the Lycoming engine? ;p
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: Bending skin edges after dimpling |
FWIW,
The Orndoff videos went over working with sheetmetal very well, that's where I
heard/learned about doing the bend before dimpling. Bending works well anytime
you have overlapping seams. The hardest part is to REMEMBER to bend before you
dimple. I have used a hand seamer on a few areas where that has happened. For
those who ponied up to go to one of the classes they should have addressed that
in those classes as well.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: Wire routing--TUNNEL? |
Mine is a Lycoming. It has to do (I think partially) with a pair of
really great heater muffs on the exhaust.
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Rob Kermanj
On Dec 12, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Rick wrote:
>
> Hot tunnel problems??? There is a problem with the tunnel getting
> hot?? Is this with the Corvair, Subaru or the Lycoming engine? ;p
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
>
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Newest 10 Builder |
Welcome! Where are you located?
Bob #40105
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:13 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Newest 10 Builder
I have been looking and drooling over the 10 since April of this year. Took the
2-many-thousand-$ flight at Oshkosh and ordered my Emp and Wings this morning.
Tells you what I though of the flight and the plane. :D
This afternoon I got my builder number which is 674 so I dont think we can get
a better update as to how many 10 kits have been sold/started through today.
As to lead times, the Emp kit should ship Friday of this week or early next week
and the Wing kit will ship right at 8 weeks from now, but might be 7 weeks.
I am sure the lead times will increase as Dec 31 approaches.
I am excited about joining this elite group.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p935#80935
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Sometimes when I start feeling overwhelmed and that I was crazy to start
this project, I think about the other six hundred other crazy souls out
there all connected by this email group, and it makes me feel a little
better.
Kind of like when I was in the middle of my four years in dental school with
finals week and thirteen finals and four practical to take in one week. I
think we only had sevety nine in our class. It is a little better with this
insanity.
I think this would be a really fun project if I could just work on the
plane.
John G.
Do Not Archive
>From: "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Shielded wire.
>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:39:22 -0800
>
>
>Well there you have it, John you have not bought the week stretcher. You
>can get it from either Stein, Avery or Cleveland and the price is only $450
>for the economy version. It gives you a 27 hour day and an 8 day week.
>Rick Sked bought one a year ago and has had great success with it.
>
>Bob K
>To thrifty to buy a week stretcher. Still working the 168 hour week. Do
>not archive.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:19 AM
>To: RV10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Shielded wire.
>
>
>Is it important to not only shield headphone jack and mic jack wire, but to
>also use a shielded wire for the strobe wire run...perhaps to keep the
>energy inside the wire????????
>
>Having truoble getting through all the reading material while building.
>Only
>
>so much time in a 24 hr, seven day week.
>
>JOhn G.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Newest 10 Builder |
Let me add my welcome as well, I hope you find this adventure as
rewarding and satisfying (sometimes frustrating) as I have. I second
Russ's advice, the archives are helpful but if you don't find the
information you seek there, don't be bashful about posting and asking
questions, you will usually receive several responses which more often
than not represent different ways to skin the cat, then you get to
decide what will work for you and your plane. Each mistake you make will
teach you something. so don't fret too much about not doing everything
'perfectly' right out of the box, While you want to do everything
possible to ensure a safe plane, there's very little if anything that
can't be fixed/repaired/redone.
Good Luck
PS. Oh yeah, the only thing about this group that's 'Elite' is Rick
Sked's perfect record of never drilling out a mis-set rivet! ;-)
or, maybe it's John Cox's 'Rapidbuild' breakneck record setting build pace,
or perhaps Chris Johnstons single shot @ bending trim tabs,
or...............
you get the picture. I guess if there's anything special about this
group it the love we all share for what we're going.
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
(anxiously awaiting the freight truck w/ my engine to pull up!)
orchidman wrote:
>
>I have been looking and drooling over the 10 since April of this year. Took the
2-many-thousand-$ flight at Oshkosh and ordered my Emp and Wings this morning.
Tells you what I though of the flight and the plane. :D
>
>This afternoon I got my builder number which is 674 so I dont think we can get
a better update as to how many 10 kits have been sold/started through today.
>
>As to lead times, the Emp kit should ship Friday of this week or early next week
and the Wing kit will ship right at 8 weeks from now, but might be 7 weeks.
I am sure the lead times will increase as Dec 31 approaches.
>
>I am excited about joining this elite group.
>
>--------
>Gary Blankenbiller
>RV10 - # 40674
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p935#80935
>
>
>
>
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Rob, I don't know that anybody will have this information, because as
soon as you get the leg's inserted and the wheels on you take it down to
avoid the risk of an accident. But you can estimate it pretty easily, by
setting one of the gear legs parallel mounting tube, resting the leg on
the ground and then measuring how much the top of the leg extends beyond
the bottom of the gear tube. I just kept 'ratcheting it up' until I had
enough clearance.
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Rob Wright wrote:
> Anybody have a measurement from the ground to the belly of the
> aircraft, or how high do I need to hoist/jack the fuse up in order to
> slide the gear legs in?
>
>
>
> Rob Wright
>
> #392
>
> Fuse
>
>*
>
>
>*
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| Subject: | Re: Newest 10 Builder |
Gary,
Welcome. I'm just a lttle ahead of you. #639. I've finished my vertical stabilizer
and rudder. Horizontal stab will be primed in the next few days. All setup
done and will begin riveting.
Sent my deposit check in yesterday for the QB fuselage and wings.
I'm actually pretty pleasd with the workmanship to date but there's definitely
a learning curve. I went down to George and Becky Ornoff's place in Texas for
a weekend workshop. Worh it's weight in gold because it establishes a standard
that you can evaluate your work by.
The other reality is that my workmanship is much better now than when I started.
Later next year, I'll go back and decide if I want to redo the vert stab based
on improved skills. At the present, I don't see any need to do that.
So, go ahead and treat your first piece as a learning curve that can be replaced
inexpensively.
Tom Hanaway
Boynton Beach, FL (next to West Palm Beach)
full blown priming-next to ocean :^)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=81062#81062
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| Subject: | Newest 10 Builder |
Uh-oh, he said Engine , DOH!
Dan
N289DT RV10 "E"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Newest 10 Builder
Let me add my welcome as well, I hope you find this adventure as
rewarding and satisfying (sometimes frustrating) as I have. I second
Russ's advice, the archives are helpful but if you don't find the
information you seek there, don't be bashful about posting and asking
questions, you will usually receive several responses which more often
than not represent different ways to skin the cat, then you get to
decide what will work for you and your plane. Each mistake you make will
teach you something. so don't fret too much about not doing everything
'perfectly' right out of the box, While you want to do everything
possible to ensure a safe plane, there's very little if anything that
can't be fixed/repaired/redone.
Good Luck
PS. Oh yeah, the only thing about this group that's 'Elite' is Rick
Sked's perfect record of never drilling out a mis-set rivet! ;-)
or, maybe it's John Cox's 'Rapidbuild' breakneck record setting build pace,
or perhaps Chris Johnstons single shot @ bending trim tabs,
or...............
you get the picture. I guess if there's anything special about this
group it the love we all share for what we're going.
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
(anxiously awaiting the freight truck w/ my engine to pull up!)
orchidman wrote:
>
>I have been looking and drooling over the 10 since April of this year. Took the
2-many-thousand-$ flight at Oshkosh and ordered my Emp and Wings this morning.
Tells you what I though of the flight and the plane. :D
>
>This afternoon I got my builder number which is 674 so I dont think we can get
a better update as to how many 10 kits have been sold/started through today.
>
>As to lead times, the Emp kit should ship Friday of this week or early next week
and the Wing kit will ship right at 8 weeks from now, but might be 7 weeks.
I am sure the lead times will increase as Dec 31 approaches.
>
>I am excited about joining this elite group.
>
>--------
>Gary Blankenbiller
>RV10 - # 40674
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p935#80935
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Newest 10 Builder |
Welcome to the group, and good luck on this crazy journey called building a plane.
Be readily for everyone to look at you like you are 1-2 beers short of a 6
pack. With that being said remember you are not really part of the group until
you have had to replace one part, and have the scars to prove that you drilled
into at least two fingers and one of them being your own!
There are only two things not to ask on this list, what primer do I use, and what
engine is good, other than that post away and we will be happy to help you.
Dan
N289DT RV10E
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 11:13 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Newest 10 Builder
I have been looking and drooling over the 10 since April of this year. Took the
2-many-thousand-$ flight at Oshkosh and ordered my Emp and Wings this morning.
Tells you what I though of the flight and the plane. :D
This afternoon I got my builder number which is 674 so I dont think we can get
a better update as to how many 10 kits have been sold/started through today.
As to lead times, the Emp kit should ship Friday of this week or early next week
and the Wing kit will ship right at 8 weeks from now, but might be 7 weeks.
I am sure the lead times will increase as Dec 31 approaches.
I am excited about joining this elite group.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p935#80935
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| Subject: | AOPA rebate closeout |
If you have not filed for your AOPA fuel rebate you can do so online
using you old logonid and password at
https://www.bankofamerica.com/index.jsp. get your account on the screen
and "view options" then "more options" then "features and benefits",
then third line is the AOPA old rebate claim form.
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| Subject: | Re: Newest 10 Builder |
LOL....well almost never had to drill one out....none of "MY" rivets but I had
helpers from time to time. Just go ahead and order new elevator trims tabs now
so you don't have to wait for them to ship after you screw the first set...or
get a 3" hand seamer and go for it..."James McClow tip" I went and bought the
largest hand seamer I could find and the end tabs on the elevator trim came out
perfect...the second time. One of Jame's many life moments that actually RELATED
to this forum ;)
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA rebate closeout |
Currently considering EAA Visa or Air BP cards as possible
replacements. Any other suggestions for rebates?
On 12/12/06, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
>
> If you have not filed for your AOPA fuel rebate you can do so online using
> you old logonid and password at
> https://www.bankofamerica.com/index.jsp. get your account
> on the screen and "view options" then "more options" then "features and
> benefits", then third line is the AOPA old rebate claim form.
>
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| Subject: | Jeff's LED lights |
Deems or anyone else who has installed these lights, is there a seperate set
of wires going to the strobe lights and a seperate set of wires going to the
LEDs. I am waiting for an email from Jeff himself, but i am trying to place
my wire order today during my short downtime from work, not building...or
are they both the same.
Thanks,
John G.
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| Subject: | AOPA rebate closeout |
I canceled my AOPA card and went with both the EAA and Air BP Card.
The only thing I don't like about the Air BP card is that they issue a check
for the rebate. I would much prefer just a credit to the account. Almost
all the avgas within 50 miles is BP, so this one works well for me.
The EAA Card is too new and hasn't had a bill yet. I figured that with the
amount of stuff I will most likely be purchasing from Aircraft Spruce, it
may worth having the account. Although, I haven't found anything that
specifies the exact amount of the rebate. Everything that I've found stated
"up to 10%". I went with the version that also gives a cash rebate. I
don't need any programs that just issue points.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA rebate closeout
Currently considering EAA Visa or Air BP cards as possible
replacements. Any other suggestions for rebates?
On 12/12/06, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
>
> If you have not filed for your AOPA fuel rebate you can do so online using
> you old logonid and password at
> https://www.bankofamerica.com/index.jsp. get your account
> on the screen and "view options" then "more options" then "features and
> benefits", then third line is the AOPA old rebate claim form.
>
> -- Please Support Your Lists This Month --
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> your generous support!
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff's LED lights |
Yes, separate wires for each, shielded to the Strobes, and Tefzel to the
LED power pucks.
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> Deems or anyone else who has installed these lights, is there a
> seperate set of wires going to the strobe lights and a seperate set of
> wires going to the LEDs. I am waiting for an email from Jeff himself,
> but i am trying to place my wire order today during my short downtime
> from work, not building...or are they both the same.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John G.
>
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| Subject: | 7.9mm ream anyone |
You won't be reaming the gear. It is way too hard. You reem just the
hole in the weldment. Randy 40006
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:55 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 7.9mm ream anyone
On this subject, how many have reamed the landing gear holes rather than
drilled them? I reamed the mounts to 7.9mm so I have the reamer. But
the actual landing gear itself is one hunk o' steel. Is it difficult to
ream?
cheers
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Ritter
Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2006 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 7.9mm ream anyone
John,
I won't sell it but you are welcome to use it for as long as you need
it.
Just promise to pass it along to the next builder. Send me your mailing
address.
Mark ( (410MR)
40043
>From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV10-List: 7.9mm ream anyone
>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:25:38 -0800
>
>Are there any of the flying RV-10 builders that would like to sell
their
>7.9 MM ream?
>
>John Cox
>#40600
>
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I don't normally see so little activity on the list or in my inbox, so
here's a test email. My service has migrated some of its services and I
don't trust it yet.
Rob Wright
RV-10 Fuse
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You want noise?
Okay.... here it goes.... *EGGENFELLNER SUBARU!
*
(ducks....!)
I think people are appeasing their family in the next few weeks....
Don't worry, people will be back!
-Jim 40384
Rob Wright wrote:
> I don't normally see so little activity on the list or in my inbox, so
> here's a test email. My service has migrated some of its services and
> I don't trust it yet.
>
>
>
> Rob Wright
>
> RV-10 Fuse
>
>
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
>*
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| Subject: | 7.9mm ream anyone |
Yep, rechecked the plans which clearly state to insert a drill into the
mount and leg until it bottoms on the undrilled part of the mount. The
7.9 mm reamer should be no problem.
cheers,
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2006 10:59 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 7.9mm ream anyone
The gear leg itself doesn=92t need to be reamed, just the holes in the
support bracket. We reamed, although I believe with a 5/16 reamer, or
whatever Van=92s says is =93fine=94 instead of the 7.9mm.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:55 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 7.9mm ream anyone
On this subject, how many have reamed the landing gear holes rather than
drilled them? I reamed the mounts to 7.9mm so I have the reamer. But
the actual landing gear itself is one hunk o' steel. Is it difficult to
ream?
cheers
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[ mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Ritter
Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2006 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 7.9mm ream anyone
John,
I won't sell it but you are welcome to use it for as long as you need
it.
Just promise to pass it along to the next builder. Send me your mailing
address.
Mark ( (410MR)
40043
>From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV10-List: 7.9mm ream anyone
>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:25:38 -0800
>
>Are there any of the flying RV-10 builders that would like to sell
their
>7.9 MM ream?
>
>John Cox
>#40600
>
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| Subject: | AOPA rebate closeout |
I'm thinking of staying with AOPA because even though the fuel rebate is
going away, my understanding is a rebate on ALL purchases, although at a
lesser rate.
Marcus
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA rebate closeout
Currently considering EAA Visa or Air BP cards as possible
replacements. Any other suggestions for rebates?
On 12/12/06, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
>
> If you have not filed for your AOPA fuel rebate you can do so online using
> you old logonid and password at
> https://www.bankofamerica.com/index.jsp. get your account
> on the screen and "view options" then "more options" then "features and
> benefits", then third line is the AOPA old rebate claim form.
>
> -- Please Support Your Lists This Month --
> Gifts!)
> Contribution link below to find out more about
> Incentive Gifts provided
> * The Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com
> www.kitlog.com
> Contribution Web Site
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> your generous support!
> Admin.
> - The RV10-List Email Forum -
> to browse
> Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
> much more:
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
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| Subject: | Draft of GRT EFIS Horizon User Manual |
Received a draft copy of the new Horizon User Manual from Carlos at GRT
today. To large (78 pages) to post to the list.
I could forward one to an email address if you would like a copy. Have not
checked to see if it is posted on the GRT site.
Mark
N410MR
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| Subject: | Re: Draft of GRT EFIS Horizon User Manual |
If you are referring to the GRT sport , it is on the website and the PDF can
be downloaded. BTW if you need a copy of Sport manual, you can logon to
FEDEX/KINKOS and send them the PDF. You can pick up the hardcopy the
nextday. Two copies (single side B/W plus some color, spiral bound) of the
Sport was $21.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Ritter" <mritter509@msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 6:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Draft of GRT EFIS Horizon User Manual
>
>
> Received a draft copy of the new Horizon User Manual from Carlos at GRT
> today. To large (78 pages) to post to the list.
>
> I could forward one to an email address if you would like a copy. Have
> not checked to see if it is posted on the GRT site.
>
> Mark
> N410MR
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| Subject: | Re: Draft of GRT EFIS Horizon User Manual |
I'm not referring to the Sport.
Mark
N410MR
>From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Draft of GRT EFIS Horizon User Manual
>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:48:18 -0700
>
>
>If you are referring to the GRT sport , it is on the website and the PDF
>can be downloaded. BTW if you need a copy of Sport manual, you can logon to
>FEDEX/KINKOS and send them the PDF. You can pick up the hardcopy the
>nextday. Two copies (single side B/W plus some color, spiral bound) of the
>Sport was $21.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Ritter" <mritter509@msn.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 6:39 PM
>Subject: RV10-List: Draft of GRT EFIS Horizon User Manual
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>Received a draft copy of the new Horizon User Manual from Carlos at GRT
>>today. To large (78 pages) to post to the list.
>>
>>I could forward one to an email address if you would like a copy. Have
>>not checked to see if it is posted on the GRT site.
>>
>>Mark
>>N410MR
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Newest 10 Builder |
dav1111(at)cox.net wrote:
> Welcome aboard. You are going to love both building and flying the RV-10.
I highly recommend getting all the great RV-10 builders web sites set up as favorites
and using their knowledge on a regular basis while building. If it
had not been for Tim Olson's web site I would probably still be building instead
of flying. Since Tim a number of other builders have also developed great
web sites which will help you get a great cross section of knowledge during
the building process.
Thank you everyone. I don't know how many times I have read Tim's site. I have
been through all the sections at least twice in the past 7 months and will probably
do it again section by section just before I build the section. I have
been to many others sites and have many of them book-marked. I hope to add
an on-line construction log of my work as time permits.
I know that if it had not been for this forum and Tims site, I would not have ordered
the kit now and many not ever. Previously I had been looking seriously
at a Velocity. Everyone said that the manufacturers Customer and Tech support
was about the best in the industry but I could not get past the cockpit size,
builder community support and serious limitation of hard and long surface runways.
The RV-10 wins hands down for points 2 & 3. Too early to tell on point
#1.
I should be inventorying the kit either Christmas weekend or right after it. What
a Christmas present from my wife. She gets the bill and I get the work.
Guess I had better get back to work repairing the work area. Lots to still do.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N410GB reserved)
do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=81190#81190
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| Subject: | Rear Tie Down Eye Bolt |
John, I didn't really calculate the drag from the eye bolt. I was just
guessing. I'm sure it isn't enough to even worry about though.
So far the ceramic coated headers have been great. I haven't observed
any advantages and haven't seen any disadvantages.
My engine is an Aerosport and everything seems to be working great. I
cut down the baffles on the fronts of the cylinders and really saw an
increase on the cooling. I still need to cut down my #1 a little more.
Typically I have 360 on #1, 345 on #2, #3 and #4 are around 315 and #5
and #6 are around 330 when I'm cruising at 19.5 inches, 2380 RPM and the
OAT is around 30 degrees. My oil temp is around 165 at that OAT. It
starts great hot or cold. I really like the Lightspeed electronic
ignition.
I don't have much to report on the Cheltons vs. the Grand Rapids yet. I
still have not been able to get my magnetometer to work on the Grand
Rapids. I think this then causes some other problems with the moving
map. I have not been at all impressed with the AHRS on the Grand Rapids
yet either. It is only completely level 50% of the time at this point.
Most of that is my fault though. It usually takes 2:30 seconds to align
and I don't have the patience. The Cheltons have been bullet proof on
that. No matter what angle the plane is sitting, I can be moving or
sitting, it is always dead on. The only issue I have with the Chelton's
right now is the GPS antenna. The Crossbow antenna is under my rear
fairing near the Vertical Stab and I lose signal quite often. I would
never try an IFR approach until I upgrade it to the PinPoint AHRS. The
Chelton's are absolutely amazing when it comes to linking with the
autopilot as well. I like the engine page much better on the Grand
Rapids though. I have been spending my time learning the Cheltons and
haven't given the Grand Rapids a fair shake. But if I had to pick one,
the Chelton's by far appear to be more reliable, look nicer and are
easier to work. Just getting the Grand Rapids to GOTO an airport is not
nearly as easy as the Cheltons. I am going to figure out my
magnetometer issue over the next couple of weeks. Once I get everything
working on both I will fly with both, shoot some approaches with both,
and get back to you all.
As for the Grand Champion John, I hate to disappoint but I don't have
it. I've been to Oshkosh 12 years in a row and have looked at the Grand
Champions and the guys who just miss and the difference between the
Grand Champion and second place is 5000 hours. The Glasair Grand
Champion (a few years ago) I think spent something like 9000 hours
building his. It takes 6000 - 10000 hours to build a Grand Champion. I
have 3000 hours in mine and it is nice and looks great but I never built
it to be a show winner. I just wanted a nice looking plane that didn't
look "home-made" (as my friends wife calls it). I also plan to fly too
much to ever keep it a show winner. I have been flying now for 58 days
and I have 75.4 hours on the hobbs. I already have a few chips on the
paint around the doors and I have one spot around my pilot window where
my fiberglass tape didn't hold up and I have a 6" crack in the paint at
the joint between the window and the door. So far I've been able to
prevent the crack everywhere else that a few people have been getting at
the joint between the window and the fiberglass with a 1" strip of light
fiberglass cloth. The only way to fix that is to redo the door but I
have way too much fun flying. Maybe I'll fix that if I have a couple of
weeks of bad flying weather. I keep scaring my wife by telling her that
we have almost used up 5% of the engine in the first two months of
flying.
I'll get back to you on the EFIS systems when I feel like I know both of
them much better.
Scott Schmidt
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 11:28 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear Tie Down Eye Bolt
Scott, my heart goes out to you.
Randy must have known that, cause the first time I boarded N610RV he was
quick to point out that two humans (of my ballast) cannot mount the
RV-10 aircraft at the same point in time.
Builders Note: Only one POB on any given step at the same point in
time. Share the excitement of loading for a flight - one at a time.
Trivia from the latest FAA AC43.13-2A, Chapter Three - Page 14, Section
38. When installed, the 3/8-16 UNC eyebolt (not provided in the kit) has
a frontal area of about 0.4231875 sq. inches and using the formula from
the AC43.13-1B that would make the factors in Drag = .000327 * Area *
velocity squared. So at that magic 208 mph, your drag might have been
as high as 5.986972368 pounds. That's no light bag of potatoes for us
Hot Rodders. Now what formulation did you use to convert drag factor
into lost mph at cruise? How are the headers working out? Do you have
any input on Grand Rapids vs. Chelton yet? Isn't your engine an
Aerosport?
Hope the repair goes quickly and your painter is as good at Spot Work as
complete repaint. I am waiting for Sun N' Fun and a Grand Champion
RV-10. May you have gentle breezes, light tailwinds and clear skies into
the spring.
John Cox
#40600
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 9:21 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Rear Tie Down Eye Bolt
Hi guys, just wanted to let you all know about an incident I had today
that could have been prevented. I flew down to Mesquite NV. last
Thursday and was getting ready to fly back today. As I was loading and
getting ready to fly back to Salt Lake City, I took out the eye bolts
for the tie downs. I then loaded two people in the back with luggage.
The plane was pointed slightly up hill and then both me and my friend
stepped on the step and the plane rocked back. I got off but the plane
continued to fall back and the tail hit the ground. It slightly bent
the bottom fuselage skin at the very rear and cracked the rear
fiberglass fairing on the rudder. I will have to replace it and repaint
it. It really isn't a big deal but I'm going to replace the whole
fiberglass peice. There would be no scratches or damage at all if I
would have left the rear tie down in. It would have hit the ground.
I never thought it would rock back but it did. It was on a slope and
the wind was blowing pretty hard that pushed the rear of the plane down
even more.
Moral of the story: Put the eye bolt in and keep it there. Don't be
like me and worry about the .0345256395734 mph that you lose with the
eye bolt. You can still take out the wing bolts.
Scott Schmidt
N104XP - 72 hours
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