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1. 05:18 AM - Re: Re: Garmin 496 -Antenna (Wayne Edgerton)
2. 06:28 AM - Re: Re: Garmin 496 -Antenna (NYTerminat)
3. 07:15 AM - IFR (Dave Leikam)
4. 07:37 AM - Re: Garmin 496 -Antenna (W. Curtis)
5. 07:39 AM - Re: IFR (Tim Olson)
6. 07:54 AM - Re: IFR (jdalton77@comcast.net)
7. 08:26 AM - Re: Re: Garmin 496 -Antenna (Tim Olson)
8. 09:42 AM - Re: IFR (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
9. 10:59 AM - GNS-430 vs. 480 feature list (Tim Olson)
10. 11:03 AM - Oil Leak Detection (Tim Olson)
11. 12:26 PM - door prep (David McNeill)
12. 01:07 PM - Re: IFR (Dave Leikam)
13. 02:54 PM - correct door prep picture (David McNeill)
14. 03:45 PM - Re: Oil Leak Detection (Rob Kermanj)
15. 08:29 PM - Setting trailing edges of control surfaces (Les Kearney)
16. 08:42 PM - Re: IFR (Bill Schlatterer)
17. 09:06 PM - Riveting the elevators (Les Kearney)
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 496 -Antenna |
Boy I hope we are able to conclude the 496 issue soon, I'm getting dizzy
:>}
Wayne Edgerton #40336
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 496 -Antenna |
I wonder how Jan is doing with the new Suburau engine? :-)
In a message dated 12/17/06 08:21:10 Eastern Standard Time, wayne.e@grandecom.net
writes:
Boy I hope we are able to conclude the 496 issue soon, I'm getting dizzy :>}
Wayne Edgerton #40336
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I just want to thank all the recent posts about obtaining IFR before
completing my 10. I have about 150 hours and am going to start training
after the New Year. I always thought I would do it in the 10 after it
was built, but I feel the comments I have read make good sense. I would
like to know if anyone has used the Sporties DVD series and if those
kinds of programs are worth getting. How about the IFR crash courses?
Obviously safety and solid training are number one, but you sure can
spend alot of money on the rating. I told my wife when she bought me
the tail kit, she had no idea what she started! Somtimes I wish I had
fallen in love with needle-point.
Dave Leikam
40496
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| Subject: | RE: Garmin 496 -Antenna |
Tim,
This is my final post on the subject. I tried to end this yesterday and spare
the readers when I thanked Kelly for his comments and agreed that we disagreed.
But then I was accused of "brush[ing] away all the facts and revert to subjective
personal opinion." So again I asked for the facts that I've overlooked.
I also asked you to point out to me where I have made negative or inaccurate statements
about the 480 and if I can summarize you long post, your answer was:
1) I brought to light the SB on the Garmin 480
2) Your speculation that I have "an apparent satisfaction from the negative of
the SB info"
3) I speculated that the 480 will not be available in 5 years
In all those words, this is all you can come up with for your accusation of "closed
minded hammering?" All paltry at best.
You ask "what is it this guy has against anything but a 430?" The answer is nothing.
I'll say it once again, if you RE-READ all my posts, ALL my responses
have been to correct some others negative statement about the 430 in their defense
of the 480-or anything else. I myself have NEVER denigrated the 480, despite
your speculation.
Again, I'm gonna ask you to point out to me in which "more than one newsgroup and
thread" I've made negative comments about the 480? When I posted the Garmin
SB, I did not feel I had any obligation to "acknowledge that the info was really
was absolutely nothing that applied to a safety record, or how well the system
functions.." It was for individuals to read themselves and make their own
determination. The only speculation I made was that I think that is what delayed
the 430/530 WAAS certification. Being the bearer of [bad] news, the "defense
by offense crowd" went into full effect culminating with personal attacks.
Some don't seem to have any problems when others defend their product [480] by
attacking the another [430] (how this all started), but any pure defense of another
product [430] is construed as "closed minded hammering."
"Our zealots are devout, theirs infidels"
Now, I think I'll go look a that Eggenfeller engine and see which Garmin it best
integrates with.
We now resume you regularly scheduled RV-10 list. The "Work Table Size" thread
already in progress.
Do not archive
William Curtis
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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Dave,
I think this will be really beneficial to you, and will give you some
good experience. I'm sorry that I can't recommend course material.
I was a poor boy at the time, so I bought the cheap Gliem's books
and just read them and took the test....from there it was all flight
time. As long as you don't fall asleep during videos, there's a lot
you can get from them, and I have seen the Jepp books look pretty
too. In the end, it's the black and white knowledge you need for
the written, and the flight time you need for the practical. The
best advice probably anyone can give is to try to get out in some
actual IMC with your instructor. (Sorry it's winter up here now
so it won't always be safe to be in IMC) You may actually
want to just start firing up on the book work early next year and
try to complete the written in March/April. Maybe get 10 or 15
hours in between now and then. But then in April, kick off
your harder IFR flight training with your instructor in IMC.
We're lucky to have some nice soggy but smooth days up here in
the spring. I myself get leery of icing at this time of the
year. You're certainly in for an adventure. I'd have to say that
my instrument training was the most fun flying instruction I've
had, and it quickly changes the way you fly the plane. You're
so busy with flying precisely that you don't even think about
many of the things that preoccupied you during your private.
It's gonna be a blast.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Dave Leikam wrote:
> I just want to thank all the recent posts about obtaining IFR before
> completing my 10. I have about 150 hours and am going to start training
> after the New Year. I always thought I would do it in the 10 after it
> was built, but I feel the comments I have read make good sense. I would
> like to know if anyone has used the Sporties DVD series and if those
> kinds of programs are worth getting. How about the IFR crash courses?
> Obviously safety and solid training are number one, but you sure can
> spend alot of money on the rating. I told my wife when she bought me
> the tail kit, she had no idea what she started! Somtimes I wish I had
> fallen in love with needle-point.
>
> Dave Leikam
> 40496
>
> do not archive
>
> *
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Dave,
I used the Sporty's DVDs for my private but switched to the King School DVDs for
my instrument. I found them to be much more detailed and better than the Sporty's
DVDs, and not nearly as boring to watch. The King's a kind of entertaining!
I was able to do my IFR training with just the DVDs and the flight training. I
didn't go for any ground school at all - the DVDs were plenty. I felt good about
the knowledge they provided me when i took my verbal and written.
They are a little bit pricey but I found mine on eBay for 50% off - then I sold
them on eBay when I was done for about the same price I bought them for. You
can probably find mine on eBay after the next guy (or 2) gets done with them!
Jeff
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Dave,
>
> I think this will be really beneficial to you, and will give you some
> good experience. I'm sorry that I can't recommend course material.
> I was a poor boy at the time, so I bought the cheap Gliem's books
> and just read them and took the test....from there it was all flight
> time. As long as you don't fall asleep during videos, there's a lot
> you can get from them, and I have seen the Jepp books look pretty
> too. In the end, it's the black and white knowledge you need for
> the written, and the flight time you need for the practical. The
> best advice probably anyone can give is to try to get out in some
> actual IMC with your instructor. (Sorry it's winter up here now
> so it won't always be safe to be in IMC) You may actually
> want to just start firing up on the book work early next year and
> try to complete the written in March/April. Maybe get 10 or 15
> hours in between now and then. But then in April, kick off
> your harder IFR flight training with your instructor in IMC.
> We're lucky to have some nice soggy but smooth days up here in
> the spring. I myself get leery of icing at this time of the
> year. You're certainly in for an adventure. I'd have to say that
> my instrument training was the most fun flying instruction I've
> had, and it quickly changes the way you fly the plane. You're
> so busy with flying precisely that you don't even think about
> many of the things that preoccupied you during your private.
> It's gonna be a blast.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Dave Leikam wrote:
> > I just want to thank all the recent posts about obtaining IFR before
> > completing my 10. I have about 150 hours and am going to start training
> > after the New Year. I always thought I would do it in the 10 after it
> > was built, but I feel the comments I have read make good sense. I would
> > like to know if anyone has used the Sporties DVD series and if those
> > kinds of programs are worth getting. How about the IFR crash courses?
> > Obviously safety and solid training are number one, but you sure can
> > spend alot of money on the rating. I told my wife when she bought me
> > the tail kit, she had no idea what she started! Somtimes I wish I had
> > fallen in love with needle-point.
> >
> > Dave Leikam
> > 40496
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > *
>
>
>
>
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<DIV>Dave,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I used the Sporty's DVDs for my private but switched to the King School DVDs
for my instrument. I found them to be much more detailed and better than
the Sporty's DVDs, and not nearly as boring to watch. The King's a kind
of entertaining!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I was able to do my IFR training with just the DVDs and the flight training.
I didn't go for any ground school at all - the DVDs were plenty.
I felt good about the knowledge they provided me when i took my verbal and written.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>They are a little bit pricey but I found mine on eBay for 50% off - then I
sold them on eBay when I was done for about the same price I bought them for.
You can probably find mine on eBay after the next guy (or 2) gets done
with them!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jeff</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
<BR><BR>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
<TIM@MYRV10.COM><BR>> <BR>> Dave, <BR>> <BR>> I think this will
be really beneficial to you, and will give you some <BR>> good experience.
I'm sorry that I can't recommend course material. <BR>> I was a poor boy at
the time, so I bought the cheap Gliem's books <BR>> and just read them and
took the test....from there it was all flight <BR>> time. As long as you don't
fall asleep during videos, there's a lot <BR>> you can get from them,
and I have seen the Jepp books look pretty <BR>> too. In the end, it's the
black and white knowledge you need for <BR>> the written, and the flight time
you need for the practical. The <BR>> best advice probably anyone can give
is to try to get out in some <BR>> actual IMC w
ith yo
ur instructor. (Sorry it's winter up here now <BR>> so it won't always be safe
to be in IMC) You may actually <BR>> want to just start firing up on the
book work early next year and <BR>> try to complete the written in March/April.
Maybe get 10 or 15 <BR>> hours in between now and then. But then in April,
kick off <BR>> your harder IFR flight training with your instructor in
IMC. <BR>> We're lucky to have some nice soggy but smooth days up here in
<BR>> the spring. I myself get leery of icing at this time of the <BR>>
year. You're certainly in for an adventure. I'd have to say that <BR>> my
instrument training was the most fun flying instruction I've <BR>> had, and
it quickly changes the way you fly the plane. You're <BR>> so busy with flying
precisely that you don't even think about <BR>> many of the things that
preoccupied you during your private. <BR>> It's gonna be a blast. <BR>>
<BR>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying <BR>>
do no
t archive <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Dave Leikam wrote: <BR>> > I just want
to thank all the recent posts about obtaining IFR before <BR>> > completing
my 10. I have about 150 hours and am going to start training <BR>> >
after the New Year. I always thought I would do it in the 10 after it <BR>>
> was built, but I feel the comments I have read make good sense. I would
<BR>> > like to know if anyone has used the Sporties DVD series and
if those <BR>> > kinds of programs are worth getting. How about the IFR
crash courses? <BR>> > Obviously safety and solid training are number one,
but you sure can <BR>> > spend alot of money on the rating. I told my
wife when she bought me <BR>> > the tail kit, she had no idea what she
started! Somtimes I wish I had <BR>> > fallen in love with needle-point.
<BR>> > <BR>> > Dave Leikam <BR>> > 40496 <BR>> > <BR>>
> do not archive <BR>> > <BR>> >
* <BR
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Garmin 496 -Antenna |
I do apologize to everyone watching, involved or not involved.
Email is often hard to interpret emotions, as we all know.
I do think we had at least some useful information come out of
all of this, and to William and all involved. I also want to
apologize to William if I read more into anything. For what it's
worth, I do feel that there were overly harsh posts on both
sides, which sometimes happens when neither side will acknowledge
what the other is saying. I'm as guilty as anyone. I don't
think you did anything too awful.
I did do a little digging and this same kind of heated exchange
has been going on for years, regarding these radios.
http://philip.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=000toU
http://www.airtalk.org/gns430-vs-480-vs-530-vt31826.html
http://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/ifr/866/Any-opinions-on-the-Garmin-GNS-480
There are more things that can be found using google too.
The problem with reading the above is twofold.
1) Opinions fly, in both directions, and it isn't all factual.
2) In at least some of the cases, the software being used at the time
is much different than it is today. I saw references to
GNS-480 version 2.0 software coming out. Well, I've upgraded
to version 2.1 within the last few months, and more things
have been added since. So, there is more to the discussion
than what these above threads would have.
Some day, perhaps, we can get some detailed information from a true
expert who can list the differences, and we can add it all to a
web page with the list. That way it doesn't have to get thoroughly
rehashed again.
For now, until we have said "experts", it doesn't pay to go
back and forth. I do appreciate everyone's positive comments
though...from William and Kelly, and everyone else. We have one
of the best, most respectful aviation lists on the net. I know
the subie discussion got heated too, but in those messages was
buried lots of info bits that could be used on either side to
help make decisions. Same with this 480/430 discussion.
Enough for me too, if we re-start it again some day, let's change
the subject line. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - 180 hours
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W. Curtis wrote:
> Tim,
>
> This is my final post on the subject. I tried to end this yesterday and
> spare the readers when I thanked Kelly for his comments and agreed that
> we disagreed. But then I was accused of "brush[ing] away all the facts
> and revert to subjective personal opinion." So again I asked for the
> facts that I've overlooked.
>
> I also asked you to point out to me where I have made negative or
> inaccurate statements about the 480 and if I can summarize you long
> post, your answer was:
>
> 1) I brought to light the SB on the Garmin 480
> 2) Your speculation that I have "an apparent satisfaction from the
> negative of the SB info"
> 3) I speculated that the 480 will not be available in 5 years
>
> In all those words, this is all you can come up with for your accusation
> of "closed minded hammering?" All paltry at best.
>
> You ask "what is it this guy has against anything but a 430?" The answer
> is nothing. I'll say it once again, if you RE-READ all my posts, ALL my
> responses have been to correct some others negative statement about the
> 430 in their defense of the 480-or anything else. I myself have NEVER
> denigrated the 480, despite your speculation.
>
> Again, I'm gonna ask you to point out to me in which "more than one
> newsgroup and thread" I've made negative comments about the 480? When I
> posted the Garmin SB, I did not feel I had any obligation to
> "acknowledge that the info was really was absolutely nothing that
> applied to a safety record, or how well the system functions.." It was
> for individuals to read themselves and make their own determination. The
> only speculation I made was that I think that is what delayed the
> 430/530 WAAS certification. Being the bearer of [bad] news, the "defense
> by offense crowd" went into full effect culminating with personal attacks.
>
> Some don't seem to have any problems when others defend their product
> [480] by attacking the another [430] (how this all started), but any
> pure defense of another product [430] is construed as "closed minded
> hammering."
>
> "Our zealots are devout, theirs infidels"
>
>
> Now, I think I'll go look a that Eggenfeller engine and see which Garmin
> it best integrates with.
>
> We now resume you regularly scheduled RV-10 list. The "Work Table Size"
> thread already in progress.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> William Curtis
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Dave
I am following the same methodology, I just completed the written
portion using the Kings video course, and in my opinion it was very well
done. Contact me off list and we can discuss it more. I would be happy
to loan them to you to finish your written, as long as I get them back
for study later. I have about 10 hours simulated time, and plan on
finishing up before first flight next year.
Dan
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: RV10-List: IFR
I just want to thank all the recent posts about obtaining IFR before
completing my 10. I have about 150 hours and am going to start training
after the New Year. I always thought I would do it in the 10 after it
was built, but I feel the comments I have read make good sense. I would
like to know if anyone has used the Sporties DVD series and if those
kinds of programs are worth getting. How about the IFR crash courses?
Obviously safety and solid training are number one, but you sure can
spend alot of money on the rating. I told my wife when she bought me
the tail kit, she had no idea what she started! Somtimes I wish I had
fallen in love with needle-point.
Dave Leikam
40496
do not archive
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| Subject: | GNS-430 vs. 480 feature list |
Not wanting the builders to go without the info, or have to wade through
a war to find the info on their radio choices, I decided today while
updating my tips page to add a new one on GNS-430 vs 480.
Truly I think there is not one specific system that will be better for
all pilots. Much of it will actually depend on what EFIS or other
systems you also choose to incorporate, as these days many things
talk together, and not all of them talk well. To that end, the more
info we can gather on these kinds of things, the better it is for
the builder.
So I started this link:
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/avionics/430vs480.html
There you can find everything that I could dig up within a couple hours,
and compile into a pro-con list. You will see that there are a fairly
even number of pros and cons, which is not only by design, but likely
what the builder will experience. Your job as a builder is to figure
out which items match your requirements. Again, based on your other
choices, this is still not an easy choice. Case in point: The GNS-480
does not auto-tune or overlay a CDI on my Chelton. That would make
it a bad choice, if I did not have my SL-30. It also makes it a
good choice if I want to fly WAAS approaches. The routing and
everything else involved in GPS function is largely irrelevant, as
I find that my EFIS does most of those things so much better and
displays them so much cleaner that I really don't need all of those
functions on the Nav/Com/GPS except for backup. If your panel is
more slimmed down, or you rely less on your EFIS hardware, you may
actually want to place lots more importance on your Nav/Com/GPS choice.
For me, it's a way cool nav/com/gps, that is a great radio, but a
backup nav system. For others, it is possible it's something
completely different.
So if anyone else has info that could be applicable and added to this
list, it will be a fair long-term reference down the road. Ultimately
I'd love to see a good EFIS page built similar...once we get some
real good experience with all the various EFIS systems...and once
they're all available and flying. Imagine the wars that could
happen at that time if we tried to do that. That one should probably
go on a special EFIS list, with just the resulting page posted
here. ;) As with anything, it's nice to know what the up and downsides
are BEFORE you buy.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Oil Leak Detection |
This a.m. I updated a few things, and did a quick write-up on
the hunt and kill of that tiny oil drip on my front gear leg
that some of you have seen. I wrote it up because it may
come in handy for you as you get your engines running.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20061211/index.html
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - 180 hrs.
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Below is a picture of a way to keep placing the door being trrimmed into
the same location for each fit. About 3 hours per door to get a really
nice fit.
. The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link
attachments:
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Thanks for offering the DVDs Dan, but I am trying to get a set of my own
for Xmas. I like to own and keep reference materials like that. I do
appreciate the offer.
Dave Leikam
40496
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----- Original Message -----
From: Lloyd, Daniel R.
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List:
Dave
I am following the same methodology, I just completed the written
portion using the Kings video course, and in my opinion it was very well
done. Contact me off list and we can discuss it more. I would be happy
to loan them to you to finish your written, as long as I get them back
for study later. I have about 10 hours simulated time, and plan on
finishing up before first flight next year.
Dan
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:15 AM
To: matronics
Subject: RV10-List: IFR
I just want to thank all the recent posts about obtaining IFR before
completing my 10. I have about 150 hours and am going to start training
after the New Year. I always thought I would do it in the 10 after it
was built, but I feel the comments I have read make good sense. I would
like to know if anyone has used the Sporties DVD series and if those
kinds of programs are worth getting. How about the IFR crash courses?
Obviously safety and solid training are number one, but you sure can
spend alot of money on the rating. I told my wife when she bought me
the tail kit, she had no idea what she started! Somtimes I wish I had
fallen in love with needle-point.
Dave Leikam
40496
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| Subject: | correct door prep picture |
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Leak Detection |
Very intersting! I had the EXACT same leak that dripped down on the
gear leg also. I Fixed it the same way you did but have not flown it
since. I think I can sleep better tonight. Thanks for the post.
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Rob Kermanj
On Dec 17, 2006, at 2:04 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
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> This a.m. I updated a few things, and did a quick write-up on
> the hunt and kill of that tiny oil drip on my front gear leg
> that some of you have seen. I wrote it up because it may
> come in handy for you as you get your engines running.
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> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20061211/index.html
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> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - 180 hrs.
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| Subject: | Setting trailing edges of control surfaces |
Hi
When I visited a couple of builders on Oregon, one mentioned that he
wished
he used a piece of angle to ensure that his rudder edge was straight. I
did
that with my rudder and was very happy with the result. I have just
completed my elevator trailing edges the same way have achieved brutally
straight elevators.
Given that I had to muddle my way through this, I thought I would share
what
I did for the benefit of others.
I picked up a 6 ft length of angle aluminum at Rona (a Canadian version
of
Home Depot), cut it in half and proceeded to drill #40 holes in each
section. The hole spacing matching the holes in the skins. To get the
spacing right, I used the trailing edge wedge to mark the holes and
drilled
accordingly. I also made sure that the holes were not too far from the
edge
of the aluminum so that when clecoed in place, the aluminum did not
extend
beyond the trailing edge wedge on onto the "unsupported skin. I didn't
want
to mark the skin forward of the trailing edge.
After gluing the wedge in place, I clecoed a section of the aluminum
angle
to either side of the control surface putting a cleco in every hole. My
guess is that the clecos have a combined pressure in excess of anything
you
could get using the Van's recommended method. Anyway, after letting the
glue
dry I removed the clecos and riveted as per the instructions. The end
result
was rudder and elevator trailing edges that are straight as an arrow. I
did
weight the skins as required for vans but this was to ensure that the
internal foam spacers were properly set in place as the adhesive cured.
Attached is a small photo of one of the elevators with the angle
aluminum
installed.
The other small deviation from the plans was the use of LePage PL2000
adhesive rather than tank sealant to glue the wedges in place. This was
based on a recommendation of a local RV builder. Given the purpose of
the
adhesive it seems a reasonable change especially given that it is much
easier to use (no mixing) than tank sealant and cures in hours.
Cheers
Les Kearney
RV10 - # 40643 - Lost in the empennage
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Dave, the Sporties DVDs are good as filler but I think the Gleims Test
series is the best for passing the written. It is just a better format for
learning than Jepp and the others. If you have some extra change, I would
do both and be sure to read Rod Machado's book "Instrument Pilot Survival
Guide". He does the best job of anyone at explaining some of the more
complex issues and does it in a way that is really fun to read. Also try to
have a flexible training schedule so that when the weather turns bad, you
can call your instructor and get some real IMC time. A couple of hours of
real IMC is worth a 50 hours of "foggle weather".
The thing to remember is that the IMC ticket only gets you to the point
where you can legally get yourself in a big pile of trouble. The real
education comes later in the plane, in the weather, with a good plan.
It's fun.
Good luck
Bill S
7a engine
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:15 AM
Subject: RV10-List: IFR
I just want to thank all the recent posts about obtaining IFR before
completing my 10. I have about 150 hours and am going to start training
after the New Year. I always thought I would do it in the 10 after it was
built, but I feel the comments I have read make good sense. I would like to
know if anyone has used the Sporties DVD series and if those kinds of
programs are worth getting. How about the IFR crash courses? Obviously
safety and solid training are number one, but you sure can spend alot of
money on the rating. I told my wife when she bought me the tail kit, she
had no idea what she started! Somtimes I wish I had fallen in love with
needle-point.
Dave Leikam
40496
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| Subject: | Riveting the elevators |
Hi
Page 9-12 details how to use the special elevator bucking bar. I bought
this
at Cleaveland Tools for $29 and worth every penny. I ended up using the
bucking bar to do all the rivets on the on the rear spar. After scoping
things out, I thought I could do a better job than reaching under with a
different bucking bar. I am very pleased with then end result.
When doing the rear spar, I was concerned about making sure that the
bucking
bar was placed correctly. It seemed a bit too easy to not insert the bar
all
the way. To prevent this I put the bar in and then marked a line across
the
bar where it went under the skin. This gave an easy reference to ensure
it
was always inserted fully. As well, I marked a small box centered on the
end
of the bar using a red marker. If I could see the red box through the
rivet
hole, I knew I the bar was properly centered. This may seem like
overkill to
some, but I am paranoid about riveting on the skins.
When assembling & riveting the elevators, I completed the riveting on
one
before doing the second. As a consequence I realized that a small change
in
the assembly sequence made riveting Tip Rib Assembly (steps 4- 6 Page
9-14)
a bit easier. In the case of the second elevator, I didn't rivet the
skin to
the aft spar outboard of the last E-1008 ribs. This made it much easier
to
get access to the to the Tip Rib Assembly rivets as the skin could be
lifted
much easier without fear of creasing the skin along a rivet line.
Once the Tip Rib rivets were in place, I finished riveting the skin to
the
aft spar.
Just my $0.02 from a weekend of plodding away..
Cheers
Les Kearney
RV10 # 40643 - Lost in the empennage
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