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1. 02:39 AM - Re: door latched security system - Door Closer (Russell Daves)
2. 02:41 AM - Re: MT Prop? (Russell Daves)
3. 03:06 AM - Re: door latched security system - Door Closerdoor latched security system - Door Closer (Russell Daves)
4. 03:13 AM - Re: Carpet Install (Tim Olson)
5. 04:24 AM - Burn test on Plenum rated conduit (Tim Olson)
6. 04:35 AM - Re: door latched security system - Door Closer (Tim Olson)
7. 06:38 AM - Re: door latched security system - Door Closerdoor latched security system - Door Closer (Rick)
8. 08:18 AM - FS RV rear foam seats (ddddsp1@juno.com)
9. 08:38 AM - Re: FS RV rear foam seats (John Gonzalez)
10. 09:45 AM - Re: FS RV rear foam seats (Jesse Saint)
11. 10:22 AM - Baggage door (John Gonzalez)
12. 10:27 AM - RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
13. 10:52 AM - Re: Baggage door (Deems Davis)
14. 10:58 AM - Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) (Deems Davis)
15. 10:59 AM - Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) (Rick)
16. 11:03 AM - Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) (Jesse Saint)
17. 11:11 AM - Re: Baggage door (Chris Johnston)
18. 11:38 AM - Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) (Stovall Todd Lt Col AF/A4RX)
19. 11:41 AM - Re: Baggage door (John Gonzalez)
20. 11:53 AM - Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) (Rick)
21. 12:04 PM - Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) (John Gonzalez)
22. 12:10 PM - Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) (John Jessen)
23. 12:12 PM - Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) (Kelly McMullen)
24. 12:17 PM - Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) (JSMcGrew@aol.com)
25. 12:18 PM - Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) (Jeff Carpenter)
26. 12:20 PM - Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) (Stovall Todd Lt Col AF/A4RX)
27. 12:50 PM - Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) (Stovall Todd Lt Col AF/A4RX)
28. 12:57 PM - IFR (Jeff Carpenter)
29. 01:29 PM - Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) (JOHN STARN)
30. 01:35 PM - Re: Baggage door (Deems Davis)
31. 01:37 PM - Re: IFR (Tim Olson)
32. 01:49 PM - Re: Baggage door (Niko)
33. 01:49 PM - Re: IFR (Eric Ekberg)
34. 02:00 PM - Re: IFR (Chris Johnston)
35. 02:18 PM - Re: IFR (Kelly McMullen)
36. 02:37 PM - Re: IFR (Kelly McMullen)
37. 02:38 PM - Re: FS RV rear foam seats (ddddsp1@juno.com)
38. 03:14 PM - Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) (David McNeill)
39. 03:35 PM - Re: IFR (Niko)
40. 03:51 PM - Re: IFR (Chris Johnston)
41. 04:20 PM - Re: IFR (Tim Olson)
42. 05:41 PM - Muffler nit (Bill DeRouchey)
43. 06:00 PM - Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? (John Gonzalez)
44. 06:01 PM - Re: IFR (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com)
45. 06:26 PM - Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
46. 06:39 PM - Re: IFR (Rene)
47. 07:03 PM - Re: IFR (Rick)
48. 07:07 PM - Re: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? (Rick)
49. 07:19 PM - Re: Baggage door (Rick)
50. 07:25 PM - Re: IFR (Rick)
51. 07:29 PM - Re: IFR (Rick)
52. 08:52 PM - Re: FS RV rear foam seats (KiloPapa)
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| Subject: | Re: door latched security system - Door Closer |
I don't mind owning up, I failed to manually check the pins and this was
my wake up call. You can believe that it was the last time that it
failed to happen.
Russ
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I love my MT prop but as I have posted previously, I think from flying
side by side with Tim Olson's Hartzell blended airfoil it is faster, at
least at altitudes below 12,000 feet. Have not flown side by side at
altitude.
Russ Daves
N710RV first flight 7/28/06
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| Subject: | Re: door latched security system - Door Closerdoor latched |
security system - Door Closer
Now now John, people who have:
1. As much RV-10 time as you, without flying up to Van's to get
transition training, and
2. Who fly their RV-8 around the country on a regular basis; and
3. Who get to fly F-16's; and
4. Who get to fly predators;
shouldn't have fragile egos.
For the rest of you, John demonstrated really great flying skills his
first flight in an RV-10. I already had over 60 hours in my RV-10 when
he flew it and if I had a fragile ego I would have walked around mopping
the rest of the day because John made all those landings like so easy.
Russ Daves
N710RV first flight 7/29/06
76+ hours
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| Subject: | Re: Carpet Install |
I'm not sure. I'd bet it would be partial available, but that answer
would be something to get from her. I just got everything.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> Tim
>
> Does Abby offer a partial carpet kit or is it all or nothing. Thinking
> about painting much of the interior and only carpeting on areas where
> knees and elbows touch.
>
> Thanks,
>
> JOhn G
>
>
>> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Carpet Install
>> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:51:47 -0600
>>
>>
>> For those using Abby's carpet at Flightline, to ease your mind,
>> velcro holds her carpet in well, so you won't have to worry
>> about this too much.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Les Kearney wrote:
>>> Hmmm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there a fire issue here? Contact cement, IIRC is quite flammable.
>>> Is there a better way?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Les Kearney
>>>
>>> RV10 #40643 Lost in the empennage
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jesse Saint
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 20, 2006 10:13 AM
>>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Carpet Install
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Using some kind of contact cement between the carpet and the Velcro
>>> seems to be the best way we have found. You mainly just dont want
>>> it sliding around.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do not archive.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jesse Saint
>>>
>>> I-TEC, Inc.
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> Fax: 815-377-3694
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>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 20, 2006 11:36 AM
>>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Carpet Install
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any good ideas on how to fasten the carpet and still
>>> keep it removable? I planned to use Velcro but it doesnt seem to
>>> stick to the carpet backing well enough.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom Deutsch, #40545
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| Subject: | Burn test on Plenum rated conduit |
A couple weeks ago someone asked if someone would go and burn
test that orange interduct plenum rated conduit that I used,
to see what it did. It's commonly used as fiberoptic conduit
in the networking and telcom world, so most of you probably
have a friend who has some they could cut off for you.
I took a piece and stuck it in front of my glowing red hot
kerosene torpedo heater, holding it with a needle nose
pliers. Those things get darn hot. It softened and sagged,
and started to melt and flow, and I held it right next to
the glowing dome. In a short time it started to blacken,
but not charcoal, but it never did actually support a
flame, even though it looked burned. It was very
interesting, as I expected to at least get it burning
kind of like a milk jug. (yeah, I've been known to
throw things in the fire while camping to see what they
do. )
So I came away impressed, and am now even more happy with
the stuff than in the past. I also did not detect any
fumes that smelled like the normal toxic plastic smell.
So this stuff may be perfect for what we're doing.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: door latched security system - Door Closer |
Thanks Russ, I just wanted to know because on one hand I feel
guilty not having the lights installed yet. On the other,
I was lucky enough to hear about the ripped off doors of
the past and realized how big a deal the pins were, so I
really made them part of my check from day 1. I even include
in my passenger briefing as to WHY we're checking the door
pins, and tell them what happens if it's not right. So
I don't personally feel too at risk, even without the lights
yet.
I do have the lights in my trunk, awaiting the time to install
them, but it's just one of many goals for the year, and I'll
put rudder trim above it on the list.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Russell Daves wrote:
> I don't mind owning up, I failed to manually check the pins and this was
> my wake up call. You can believe that it was the last time that it
> failed to happen.
>
> Russ
>
> Do not archive
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: door latched security system - Door Closerdoor latched |
security system - Door Closer
Lol....well put, John was in the right seat I was in the back seat in Russ's -10.
He touched down so smooth that he put rubber BACK onto the tires. After that
Russ just folded his arms and made this kinda gruff,grunting sound only a Texan
can make after talking about the Alamo.
Seems Droopy (Air Force given name) is also very comfy at 35 foot and hair on fire,
I tried to explain that it was OK to get painted by radar here and pretty
sure there were no SAM's in the area. Russ did a great job considering ATC was
making us arrive directly into the early morning sun due to construction on
the ramp. I just wish I felt better that day to enjoy it more.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | FS RV rear foam seats |
Changed design on the seats and do not need the rear foam seats ordered
from Vans. If your ordering the foam anyway here is a chance to save a
few $$$. $275
Dean
402-560-9755
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| Subject: | FS RV rear foam seats |
A little more info would be helpful
JOhn G.
>From: "ddddsp1@juno.com" <ddddsp1@juno.com>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: FS RV rear foam seats
>Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:15:22 GMT
>
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| Subject: | FS RV rear foam seats |
Send us a picture of your new design. We have made rear seat backs that
match the front and have foam that fits them made for us. IMHO, the Van's
design is ugly, but it looks classy with matching front and rear.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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Chris,
I have worked on the door all the way up to riviting it. I have crimped the
inner flanges of the door frame in several areas because the upper and lower
skin edge was slightly bowed out in the middle. Now I believe I have crimped
the flanges about as much as I would want to and the only thing still out of
alignment is the middle of the top frame, which leaves the skin of the door
in that area about 1/8" proud. The corners are all in alignment with the
fuselage, everything looks good except this one bowed out spot. I certainly
can build up the fuselage at the intersection of the cabin top and the metal
fuse skin, but this will not be the true shape that the fuselage should
ideally have.
Any more suggestions would be welcomed, before I get the rivets out.
Not that this will help my situation, but I have also thought about placing
a fiberglass/kevlar super thin sheet which could laminate over the entire
door to seal off the gap on the top/bottom and back. The hinge area will
not allow coverage in that area. My mod would give better aerodynamics than
the 3/32 to 1/8 gap around the perimeter(That is provided I can sinch it
down tight to the skin)
JOhn G.
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| Subject: | RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) |
Check this out on Van's Airforce http://www.vansairforce.net/
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250 (192 hours)
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage door |
John, I found that the hand seamer was a great tool to 'adjust' the
baggage door to match the contour of the fuse. just small adjustments
seemed to bring everything in line for me.
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> I have worked on the door all the way up to riviting it. I have
> crimped the inner flanges of the door frame in several areas because
> the upper and lower skin edge was slightly bowed out in the middle.
> Now I believe I have crimped the flanges about as much as I would want
> to and the only thing still out of alignment is the middle of the top
> frame, which leaves the skin of the door in that area about 1/8"
> proud. The corners are all in alignment with the fuselage, everything
> looks good except this one bowed out spot. I certainly can build up
> the fuselage at the intersection of the cabin top and the metal fuse
> skin, but this will not be the true shape that the fuselage should
> ideally have.
>
> Any more suggestions would be welcomed, before I get the rivets out.
>
> Not that this will help my situation, but I have also thought about
> placing a fiberglass/kevlar super thin sheet which could laminate over
> the entire door to seal off the gap on the top/bottom and back. The
> hinge area will not allow coverage in that area. My mod would give
> better aerodynamics than the 3/32 to 1/8 gap around the perimeter(That
> is provided I can sinch it down tight to the skin)
>
> JOhn G.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) |
Anybody know who's plane this is? Where it happened?
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
>
> Check this out on Van's Airforce http://www.vansairforce.net/
>
>
>Thank You
>Ray Doerr
>40250 (192 hours)
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) |
The airplane took a pretty good hit, look at the photos and you can see where it
bent the main spar back in one of them...yuk.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) |
WOW! Looks like it's time for a new wing. That must have been a BIG BIRD!
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
[NTK]
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:26 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
<Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
Check this out on Van's Airforce http://www.vansairforce.net/
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250 (192 hours)
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Smack it with a hammer!
Just kidding. I haven't been back to that section yet, I just moved on
for awhile while waiting for new door pieces, but it sounds like you've
got it just about as good as you can get it. seriously, some have
reported that a bit of "man-handling" can improve the fit, but I'd be
leery of that, cause you might just put the corners out of alignment
while trying to improve the bow in the middle, or you might put a crease
somewhere where you wish you didn't.
Just a thought in the vein of the pursuit of perfection... someone
posted somewhere that you really don't notice the slight imperfections
when you're blasting along at 170 kts, or when you don't have a
particular section under a microscope (as you do when you're
constructing that area). It's really easy for me to get wound up in
utter perfection, but sometimes, it really is good enough. personally,
I'm not building a show winner. I think a first-time builder like
myself might not have the skills to do so. What I AM trying to do is
build it better than whatever airplane I rent to go buzzing around, and
I think I'm doing that, both from a safety, and from an aesthetic
standpoint. When I'm bummed that something isn't exactly perfect, I
just take extra time doing my preflight of a rental 172, and I start to
feel REALLY good about my building practices, and about the standard
I've set for myself.
cj
#40410
fuse
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:22 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Baggage door
<indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Chris,
I have worked on the door all the way up to riviting it. I have crimped
the
inner flanges of the door frame in several areas because the upper and
lower
skin edge was slightly bowed out in the middle. Now I believe I have
crimped
the flanges about as much as I would want to and the only thing still
out of
alignment is the middle of the top frame, which leaves the skin of the
door
in that area about 1/8" proud. The corners are all in alignment with
the
fuselage, everything looks good except this one bowed out spot. I
certainly
can build up the fuselage at the intersection of the cabin top and the
metal
fuse skin, but this will not be the true shape that the fuselage should
ideally have.
Any more suggestions would be welcomed, before I get the rivets out.
Not that this will help my situation, but I have also thought about
placing
a fiberglass/kevlar super thin sheet which could laminate over the
entire
door to seal off the gap on the top/bottom and back. The hinge area
will
not allow coverage in that area. My mod would give better aerodynamics
than
the 3/32 to 1/8 gap around the perimeter(That is provided I can sinch it
down tight to the skin)
JOhn G.
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| Subject: | RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) |
That's one of the reasons I'm going with a Hartzell prop. In Florida,
where I plan to retire, Turkey Buzzards are a constant hazard.
Do Not Archive
Todd
#40631
Still riveting the HS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
WOW! Looks like it's time for a new wing. That must have been a BIG
BIRD!
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
[NTK]
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:26 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
<Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
Check this out on Van's Airforce http://www.vansairforce.net/
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250 (192 hours)
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage door |
Thanks Deems
Sorry, but haven't used that tool for some time, it is the plyer like tool
with the flat plate on each side. Seems like I could only change the angle
of the frame flange with that tool and I think it is the entire piece that
needs to be bent in slightly. Perhaps making some relief cuts in the frame
(At the intersection of the flange and the aluminum which isn't joined to
the skin or to the close out panel )with a dremel disk and then bending the
material between the cuts would cause the flange to pull in.
close out panel
_Flange_____
_
_
cut here and crimp _
-----------> ___________
flange
outside skin
This should pull the outer fange in in the bulged out area. I only need a
four inch area.
JOhn
>From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Baggage door
>Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:51:51 -0700
>
>
>John, I found that the hand seamer was a great tool to 'adjust' the baggage
>door to match the contour of the fuse. just small adjustments seemed to
>bring everything in line for me.
>
>Deems Davis # 406
>Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
>http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>John Gonzalez wrote:
>
>>
>>Chris,
>>
>>I have worked on the door all the way up to riviting it. I have crimped
>>the inner flanges of the door frame in several areas because the upper and
>>lower skin edge was slightly bowed out in the middle. Now I believe I have
>>crimped the flanges about as much as I would want to and the only thing
>>still out of alignment is the middle of the top frame, which leaves the
>>skin of the door in that area about 1/8" proud. The corners are all in
>>alignment with the fuselage, everything looks good except this one bowed
>>out spot. I certainly can build up the fuselage at the intersection of
>>the cabin top and the metal fuse skin, but this will not be the true shape
>>that the fuselage should ideally have.
>>
>>Any more suggestions would be welcomed, before I get the rivets out.
>>
>>Not that this will help my situation, but I have also thought about
>>placing a fiberglass/kevlar super thin sheet which could laminate over the
>>entire door to seal off the gap on the top/bottom and back. The hinge
>>area will not allow coverage in that area. My mod would give better
>>aerodynamics than the 3/32 to 1/8 gap around the perimeter(That is
>>provided I can sinch it down tight to the skin)
>>
>>JOhn G.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) |
"In Florida, where I plan to retire, Turkey Buzzards are a constant hazard."
hehe...so are the old buzzards... ;)
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) |
That's pretty disgusting. How come there is a claw in one picture and not
the other picture. I bet there is some serious meat down deep inside that
wing that will never be found unless the wing is scrapped.
Send that claw to the taxidemist and put a rear view mirror in and hang it
from it.
>From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
>Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:02:41 -0500
>
>
>WOW! Looks like it's time for a new wing. That must have been a BIG BIRD!
>
>Do not archive.
>
>Jesse Saint
>I-TEC, Inc.
>jesse@itecusa.org
>www.itecusa.org
>Cell: 352-427-0285
>Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
>[NTK]
>Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:26 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
>
><Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
>
> Check this out on Van's Airforce http://www.vansairforce.net/
>
>
>Thank You
>Ray Doerr
>40250 (192 hours)
>
>
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>3:54 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) |
Ok, this must be one of those obvious things that I just cannot comprehend.
What does going with a Hartzell prop have to do with Turkey Vultures hitting
a wing? Aluminum can withstand this type of strike better than a composite?
John Jessen
$40328$ (Zen and the are of edge deburrrrrrrrring)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stovall Todd Lt
Col AF/A4RX
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
--> <Todd.Stovall@pentagon.af.mil>
That's one of the reasons I'm going with a Hartzell prop. In Florida, where
I plan to retire, Turkey Buzzards are a constant hazard.
Do Not Archive
Todd
#40631
Still riveting the HS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
WOW! Looks like it's time for a new wing. That must have been a BIG BIRD!
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
[NTK]
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:26 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
<Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
Check this out on Van's Airforce http://www.vansairforce.net/
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250 (192 hours)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) |
Ditto for Texas and PA. See what a goose did to this Mooney:
http://www.aviating.com/mooney/odds/goose.html
A vulture hit a friend's Mooney wing in the vicinity of the fuel tank,
flying in San Antonio area. Fortunately the leading edge is about 8"
in front of the fuel tank and the tank didn't rupture.
On 12/21/06, Stovall Todd Lt Col AF/A4RX <Todd.Stovall@pentagon.af.mil> wrote:
>
> That's one of the reasons I'm going with a Hartzell prop. In Florida,
> where I plan to retire, Turkey Buzzards are a constant hazard.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> Todd
> #40631
> Still riveting the HS
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:03 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
>
>
> WOW! Looks like it's time for a new wing. That must have been a BIG
> BIRD!
>
> Do not archive.
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
> [NTK]
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:26 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
>
> <Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
>
> Check this out on Van's Airforce http://www.vansairforce.net/
>
>
> Thank You
> Ray Doerr
> 40250 (192 hours)
>
>
> --
> 3:54 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) |
I thought that propeller comment might start something. I'm staying out of
this one.
In a message dated 12/21/2006 3:14:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jjessen@rcn.com writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Ok, this must be one of those obvious things that I just cannot comprehend.
What does going with a Hartzell prop have to do with Turkey Vultures hitting
a wing? Aluminum can withstand this type of strike better than a composite?
John Jessen
$40328$ (Zen and the are of edge deburrrrrrrrring)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stovall Todd Lt
Col AF/A4RX
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
--> <Todd.Stovall@pentagon.af.mil>
That's one of the reasons I'm going with a Hartzell prop. In Florida, where
I plan to retire, Turkey Buzzards are a constant hazard.
Do Not Archive
Todd
#40631
Still riveting the HS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
WOW! Looks like it's time for a new wing. That must have been a BIG BIRD!
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
[NTK]
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:26 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
<Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
Check this out on Van's Airforce http://www.vansairforce.net/
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250 (192 hours)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) |
That's not a bird strike... that's corrosion. That guy didn't prime!
Jeff Carpenter
40304
Do Not Archive
On Dec 21, 2006, at 10:26 AM, Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
> <Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
>
> Check this out on Van's Airforce http://www.vansairforce.net/
>
>
> Thank You
> Ray Doerr
> 40250 (192 hours)
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) |
I aspire to join their ranks :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:53 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
"In Florida, where I plan to retire, Turkey Buzzards are a constant
hazard."
hehe...so are the old buzzards... ;)
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) |
Maybe nothing, I just feel safer having a heavy metal prop out in front
because of this particular hazard. You saw what it did to the wing
(including the spar). I sure as hell wouldn't want that hitting the
windscreen and I think the a metal prop might have an advantage (maybe
wishful thinking). No evidence one way or the other and I'm not dissing
the composites nor trying to convert anyone either. I promise to shut
up now--last thing we need is another subie-type debate. Hell, I'm off
to Iraq for 6-months next month and this is really on the bottom of my
list or worries.
Happy Festivus everyone!
Todd
Still no further along riveting -damn it!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 3:10 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
Ok, this must be one of those obvious things that I just cannot
comprehend.
What does going with a Hartzell prop have to do with Turkey Vultures
hitting a wing? Aluminum can withstand this type of strike better than
a composite?
John Jessen
$40328$ (Zen and the are of edge deburrrrrrrrring)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stovall Todd
Lt Col AF/A4RX
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
--> <Todd.Stovall@pentagon.af.mil>
That's one of the reasons I'm going with a Hartzell prop. In Florida,
where I plan to retire, Turkey Buzzards are a constant hazard.
Do Not Archive
Todd
#40631
Still riveting the HS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
WOW! Looks like it's time for a new wing. That must have been a BIG
BIRD!
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
[NTK]
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:26 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
<Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
Check this out on Van's Airforce http://www.vansairforce.net/
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250 (192 hours)
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I'd like to expand this thread a bit to get some feedback on what I'd
call Modern IFR equipment and the resulting training that's
appropriate for using it.
I've got about 250 hours, but haven't flown in over seven years. In
many ways, I'll be starting over as I prepare to fly my RV-10.
Instrument navigation, for me, was never more than triangulating off
of a couple of VORs and perhaps getting some useful information off
of a DME if the plane I was renting was so equipped.
I plan to get back up to speed by getting my instrument rating.
Starting over, I imagine that there are entire IFR systems I can do
without... and not further clutter my head with "old fashioned"
information.
To what extent can I equip my plane without those things, still have
safe alternatives should the gps system fail and avoid spending time
instrument training for systems I won't be using?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) |
The more blades per revolution would seem to limit the odds, size & texture
of the "incoming" projectile(s). Do Not Archive KABONG 8*) HRII MT 4
blade.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stovall Todd Lt Col AF/A4RX" <Todd.Stovall@pentagon.af.mil>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:49 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
> Maybe nothing, I just feel safer having a heavy metal prop out in front
> because of this particular hazard. >
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
> WOW! Looks like it's time for a new wing. That must have been a BIG
> BIRD!
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage door |
I was able to physically apply some torque to my door, using just hands,
it didn't take very much and it got pretty close. the remainder I was
able to use the hand seamer, and make small adjustments, no need to cut
anything.
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> Thanks Deems
>
> Sorry, but haven't used that tool for some time, it is the plyer like
> tool with the flat plate on each side. Seems like I could only change
> the angle of the frame flange with that tool and I think it is the
> entire piece that needs to be bent in slightly. Perhaps making some
> relief cuts in the frame (At the intersection of the flange and the
> aluminum which isn't joined to the skin or to the close out panel
> )with a dremel disk and then bending the material between the cuts
> would cause the flange to pull in.
>
>
> close out panel
> _Flange_____
> _
> _
> cut here and crimp _
> -----------> ___________
> flange
> outside skin
>
> This should pull the outer fange in in the bulged out area. I only
> need a four inch area.
>
> JOhn
>
>> From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Baggage door
>> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:51:51 -0700
>>
>>
>> John, I found that the hand seamer was a great tool to 'adjust' the
>> baggage door to match the contour of the fuse. just small adjustments
>> seemed to bring everything in line for me.
>>
>> Deems Davis # 406
>> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>
>> John Gonzalez wrote:
>>
>>> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>
>>> Chris,
>>>
>>> I have worked on the door all the way up to riviting it. I have
>>> crimped the inner flanges of the door frame in several areas because
>>> the upper and lower skin edge was slightly bowed out in the middle.
>>> Now I believe I have crimped the flanges about as much as I would
>>> want to and the only thing still out of alignment is the middle of
>>> the top frame, which leaves the skin of the door in that area about
>>> 1/8" proud. The corners are all in alignment with the fuselage,
>>> everything looks good except this one bowed out spot. I certainly
>>> can build up the fuselage at the intersection of the cabin top and
>>> the metal fuse skin, but this will not be the true shape that the
>>> fuselage should ideally have.
>>>
>>> Any more suggestions would be welcomed, before I get the rivets out.
>>>
>>> Not that this will help my situation, but I have also thought about
>>> placing a fiberglass/kevlar super thin sheet which could laminate
>>> over the entire door to seal off the gap on the top/bottom and
>>> back. The hinge area will not allow coverage in that area. My mod
>>> would give better aerodynamics than the 3/32 to 1/8 gap around the
>>> perimeter(That is provided I can sinch it down tight to the skin)
>>>
>>> JOhn G.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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I think you should worry more at this point at getting the training,
and not so much as worry about what you can do without. When it
comes down to it, even though there are things like the ADF that
you won't even care to put in a panel, the theories that you will
learn with many of the older instruments are the same. The
"problem" with the new stuff is that if you have a moving map
GPS with an overhead view, that draws your approach for you, you
simply have it too easy if that's all you know how to use.
The sad truth of it is that when your GPS system dies, you need
to be able to fall back on some of the skills you'd use using
the "old" system, like VOR Navigation, and at that point, you probably
won't even have a DME in your plane because you're relying on
GPS to give you the equivalent. The flying skills will not
vary much, but your entire survival then depends most on
how well you understand your old equipment, and how much old
equipment you allowed yourself in your panel. Many people
will tell you not to bother with a CDI. The catch is,
imagine when your EFIS is dead, how you're going to fly the
ILS into an airport. It really all just means that you need
to understand fully the equipment needs for various modes of
flight esp. during failures, and you need to know how to
use said equipment. There really isn't much of anything
old or new that you can afford not to understand, other than
just a couple minor things. I've been flying along on even
a VFR day in the middle of the US, navigating GPS direct
with a handheld. When the signal goes out, as it can and
does in some areas at some times, you suddenly feel helpless
and realize that it's time to find yourself a VOR and fly
the airways....so you take that big step back in time.
It really is kind of hard for me to imagine someone just
getting an all glass panel, and then being able to adequately
function when you take away the glass. Even with a few
minimal steam gauge backups, you just drastically increased
your workload and skills requirements.
So my advice is just dig in and start the instrument training,
and if possible, either do it behind an old panel, or maybe
more ideally, do 30 hours old and 10 hours glass. That would
give you a great feel for what you need to do when planning
your own panel. And, when you plan your panel, just imagine
what you will do when you lose each item...after you know
how the whole approach thing works. It'll allow you to
put yourself in the position of "How can I get there and get
down now, without XXXX".
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>
> I'd like to expand this thread a bit to get some feedback on what I'd
> call Modern IFR equipment and the resulting training that's appropriate
> for using it.
>
> I've got about 250 hours, but haven't flown in over seven years. In
> many ways, I'll be starting over as I prepare to fly my RV-10.
> Instrument navigation, for me, was never more than triangulating off of
> a couple of VORs and perhaps getting some useful information off of a
> DME if the plane I was renting was so equipped.
>
> I plan to get back up to speed by getting my instrument rating.
> Starting over, I imagine that there are entire IFR systems I can do
> without... and not further clutter my head with "old fashioned"
> information.
>
> To what extent can I equip my plane without those things, still have
> safe alternatives should the gps system fail and avoid spending time
> instrument training for systems I won't be using?
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
>
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage door |
John,=0A=0AYour door sounds similar to the way mine came out. I slowly wor
ked it with my hands and the fit improved drastically. I haven't put the s
eal on but without it the fit looks pretty good to me. I am going to wait
until I have the canopy on to install the seal and work it a bit more.=0A
=0AGood luck with it.=0A=0ANiko=0A40188=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----
=0AFrom: John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.c
om=0ASent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:22:02 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Bag
nlatigo@msn.com>=0A=0AChris,=0A=0AI have worked on the door all the way up
to riviting it. I have crimped the =0Ainner flanges of the door frame in s
everal areas because the upper and lower =0Askin edge was slightly bowed ou
t in the middle. Now I believe I have crimped =0Athe flanges about as much
as I would want to and the only thing still out of =0Aalignment is the midd
le of the top frame, which leaves the skin of the door =0Ain that area abou
t 1/8" proud. The corners are all in alignment with the =0Afuselage, every
thing looks good except this one bowed out spot. I certainly =0Acan build
up the fuselage at the intersection of the cabin top and the metal =0Afuse
skin, but this will not be the true shape that the fuselage should =0Aideal
ly have.=0A=0AAny more suggestions would be welcomed, before I get the rive
ts out.=0A=0ANot that this will help my situation, but I have also thought
about placing =0Aa fiberglass/kevlar super thin sheet which could laminate
over the entire =0Adoor to seal off the gap on the top/bottom and back. Th
e hinge area will =0Anot allow coverage in that area. My mod would give bet
ter aerodynamics than =0Athe 3/32 to 1/8 gap around the perimeter(That is p
rovided I can sinch it =0Adown tight to the skin)=0A=0AJOhn G.=0A=0A=0A=0A_
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My 2 cents:
Get a WAAS capable GPS/NAV/COM and have a backup NAV/COM. If you get an
audio panel you'll get a marker beacon receiver thrown in with it (although
they are going the way of the dodo also). A big FAA goal is the publishing
of LPV approaches (WAAS equivalent to CAT 1 - when runway supports it).
They aren't a big deal at this moment in time, but they will be soon. If
GPS fails you'll have VOR/ILS (backup NAV/COM) for fallback.
Also you should have in-cockpit weather (Garmin 396 or 496 is the cheapest
current method).
Of course with one engine and no ice protection I wouldn't call it a hard
IFR setup.
Eric
do not archive
On 12/21/06, Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'd like to expand this thread a bit to get some feedback on what I'd
> call Modern IFR equipment and the resulting training that's
> appropriate for using it.
>
> I've got about 250 hours, but haven't flown in over seven years. In
> many ways, I'll be starting over as I prepare to fly my RV-10.
> Instrument navigation, for me, was never more than triangulating off
> of a couple of VORs and perhaps getting some useful information off
> of a DME if the plane I was renting was so equipped.
>
> I plan to get back up to speed by getting my instrument rating.
> Starting over, I imagine that there are entire IFR systems I can do
> without... and not further clutter my head with "old fashioned"
> information.
>
> To what extent can I equip my plane without those things, still have
> safe alternatives should the gps system fail and avoid spending time
> instrument training for systems I won't be using?
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
>
>
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Hey Jeff -
I'm with you about not cluttering your head with "non-useful" or
outdated instrument flight training, and to a certain extent trying to
train for the IFR environment that you'll be flying in - ie: super
modern GPS with LPV approaches and EFIS systems that talk to the NAV and
provide ILS needles on the display etc. the reality is that you have to
know ALL of the stuff. I'm talking ADF OBS CDI DME arcs - everything.
First of all, it's all going to be on the knowledge test (written), and
second of all, the aircraft you'll be training in (unless you finish
your build and train in your own aircraft) will most likely have a
couple nav/coms, CDI/OBS, maybe even an ADF, and a slightly older IFR
GPS like a KLN94 if it has one at all. and if the aircraft has it,
you'll be expected to know how to navigate with it. The rule as it was
explained to me is that for your checkride, you have to show proficiency
with all the installed equipment. A friend of mine just got his IFR
ticket, and he didn't have to do any GPS approaches. Why? No IFR GPS
in the plane. Also, to a certain extent, it helps to understand the
evolution of some of the equipment and know how to use it. not sure
why.
My approach to the whole IFR thing was basically that I will have to
re-learn IFR operations in my aircraft, because it will be so different
from how I trained. I'll have to get used to the EFIS, and cockpit
resource management in general, then wrangle an instructor to do an IPC
with me, and see what areas I need help in.
cj
#40410
fuse
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Carpenter
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:56 PM
Subject: RV10-List: IFR
I'd like to expand this thread a bit to get some feedback on what I'd
call Modern IFR equipment and the resulting training that's
appropriate for using it.
I've got about 250 hours, but haven't flown in over seven years. In
many ways, I'll be starting over as I prepare to fly my RV-10.
Instrument navigation, for me, was never more than triangulating off
of a couple of VORs and perhaps getting some useful information off
of a DME if the plane I was renting was so equipped.
I plan to get back up to speed by getting my instrument rating.
Starting over, I imagine that there are entire IFR systems I can do
without... and not further clutter my head with "old fashioned"
information.
To what extent can I equip my plane without those things, still have
safe alternatives should the gps system fail and avoid spending time
instrument training for systems I won't be using?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
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I would disagree with that assessment. You will not get CAT I minimums
without ILS approach clearances, approach lighting and runway
lighting. Most runways that don't have ILS don't have the clear zones,
the approach lighting nor the runway lighting and markings. Most GPS
approaches are going to remain at non-precision minimums in the range
of 400-800 ft and 3/4 to 1 mile vis for a LONG time. Tim is right.
Learn the IFR system as it exists. Flying GPS only, will only diminish
your skills and ability to navigate when the GPS loses lock, system
crashes, loses power, etc. Fact is the ONLY backup to GPS today is the
conventional VOR/DME/ILS system, and that will continue for years into
the future.
On 12/21/06, Eric Ekberg <etekberg@gmail.com> wrote:
> My 2 cents:
> Get a WAAS capable GPS/NAV/COM and have a backup NAV/COM. If you get an
> audio panel you'll get a marker beacon receiver thrown in with it (although
> they are going the way of the dodo also). A big FAA goal is the publishing
> of LPV approaches (WAAS equivalent to CAT 1 - when runway supports it).
> They aren't a big deal at this moment in time, but they will be soon. If
> GPS fails you'll have VOR/ILS (backup NAV/COM) for fallback.
>
> Also you should have in-cockpit weather (Garmin 396 or 496 is the cheapest
> current method).
> Of course with one engine and no ice protection I wouldn't call it a hard
> IFR setup.
>
> Eric
> do not archive
>
>
> On 12/21/06, Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'd like to expand this thread a bit to get some feedback on what I'd
> > call Modern IFR equipment and the resulting training that's
> > appropriate for using it.
> >
> > I've got about 250 hours, but haven't flown in over seven years. In
> > many ways, I'll be starting over as I prepare to fly my RV-10.
> > Instrument navigation, for me, was never more than triangulating off
> > of a couple of VORs and perhaps getting some useful information off
> > of a DME if the plane I was renting was so equipped.
> >
> > I plan to get back up to speed by getting my instrument rating.
> > Starting over, I imagine that there are entire IFR systems I can do
> > without... and not further clutter my head with "old fashioned"
> > information.
> >
> > To what extent can I equip my plane without those things, still have
> > safe alternatives should the gps system fail and avoid spending time
> > instrument training for systems I won't be using?
> >
>
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The only thing you will have to learn in your own aircraft is any new
equipment beyond what you used for the checkride, and to determine
what speeds and power settings work for the different phases of
descent, climb, holding, approach, which you have to determine in any
airplane. All planes made since about 1975 have a standard T
instrument layout of steam gauges. If you choose to go to EFIS, that
will just be learning a different presentation, but you need to know
the standard steam gauges for your backup. You need to be proficient
at flying the plane with a single gyro, compass, airspeed and
altimeter, without all the glass panel gizmos. If you can't do that,
how are you going to survive when you have one of those gizmos release
the smoke they contain and you have to shutdown your full electrical
system because you don't have the ability to crawl beneath the panel
and fly the airplane too and you only know that fire follows smoke?? E
bus means nothing if you have an electrically generated puff of smoke
in the cockpit and are in the soup. Just keep that in mind when
designing redunancy if you plan on flying IFR. Do you really want to
be testing electrical circuits to see which one generated the smoke
while trying to fly partial panel, solo?
On 12/21/06, Chris Johnston <CJohnston@popsound.com> wrote:
> My approach to the whole IFR thing was basically that I will have to
> re-learn IFR operations in my aircraft, because it will be so different
> from how I trained. I'll have to get used to the EFIS, and cockpit
> resource management in general, then wrangle an instructor to do an IPC
> with me, and see what areas I need help in.
>
> cj
> #40410
> fuse
> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>
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| Subject: | Re: FS RV rear foam seats |
John,
This is the foam Vans sells to put in the rear seats of an RV10. If yo
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.....just 2 rear seat cushion foams and 2 backrest seat foams.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) |
They come through the prop. took a small bird through the prop of a C177RG.
hit the windscreen up and then over the wing. no damage
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stovall Todd Lt Col AF/A4RX" <Todd.Stovall@pentagon.af.mil>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:49 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
> <Todd.Stovall@pentagon.af.mil>
>
> Maybe nothing, I just feel safer having a heavy metal prop out in front
> because of this particular hazard. You saw what it did to the wing
> (including the spar). I sure as hell wouldn't want that hitting the
> windscreen and I think the a metal prop might have an advantage (maybe
> wishful thinking). No evidence one way or the other and I'm not dissing
> the composites nor trying to convert anyone either. I promise to shut
> up now--last thing we need is another subie-type debate. Hell, I'm off
> to Iraq for 6-months next month and this is really on the bottom of my
> list or worries.
>
> Happy Festivus everyone!
>
> Todd
> Still no further along riveting -damn it!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 3:10 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
>
>
> Ok, this must be one of those obvious things that I just cannot
> comprehend.
> What does going with a Hartzell prop have to do with Turkey Vultures
> hitting a wing? Aluminum can withstand this type of strike better than
> a composite?
>
>
> John Jessen
> $40328$ (Zen and the are of edge deburrrrrrrrring)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stovall Todd
> Lt Col AF/A4RX
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:38 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
>
> --> <Todd.Stovall@pentagon.af.mil>
>
> That's one of the reasons I'm going with a Hartzell prop. In Florida,
> where I plan to retire, Turkey Buzzards are a constant hazard.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> Todd
> #40631
> Still riveting the HS
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:03 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
>
>
> WOW! Looks like it's time for a new wing. That must have been a BIG
> BIRD!
>
> Do not archive.
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
> [NTK]
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:26 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
>
> <Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
>
> Check this out on Van's Airforce http://www.vansairforce.net/
>
>
> Thank You
> Ray Doerr
> 40250 (192 hours)
>
>
> --
> 3:54 PM
>
>
> --
> 3:54 PM
>
>
> --
> 3:54 PM
>
>
>
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In light of this discussion I am attaching my current panel configuration f
or informational purposes. Its probably going to still change quiet a bit
but the layout is probably close. I think the location of the instuments a
llows the pilot to use either a standard 6 pack or the EFIS tubes. I actua
lly prefer a standard 6 pack in a lot of situations but want the HITS capab
ility of the EFIS. The airplane will have a vacuum system and an EFIS.=0A
=0ANiko=0A40188=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Kelly McMullen
<apilot2@gmail.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, Decembe
r 21, 2006 5:37:14 PM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: IFR=0A=0A=0A--> RV10-List m
essage posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com>=0A=0AThe only thing
you will have to learn in your own aircraft is any new=0Aequipment beyond w
hat you used for the checkride, and to determine=0Awhat speeds and power se
ttings work for the different phases of=0Adescent, climb, holding, approach
, which you have to determine in any=0Aairplane. All planes made since abou
t 1975 have a standard T=0Ainstrument layout of steam gauges. If you choose
to go to EFIS, that=0Awill just be learning a different presentation, but
you need to know=0Athe standard steam gauges for your backup. You need to b
e proficient=0Aat flying the plane with a single gyro, compass, airspeed an
d=0Aaltimeter, without all the glass panel gizmos. If you can't do that,=0A
how are you going to survive when you have one of those gizmos release=0Ath
e smoke they contain and you have to shutdown your full electrical=0Asystem
because you don't have the ability to crawl beneath the panel=0Aand fly th
e airplane too and you only know that fire follows smoke?? E=0Abus means no
thing if you have an electrically generated puff of smoke=0Ain the cockpit
and are in the soup. Just keep that in mind when=0Adesigning redunancy if y
ou plan on flying IFR. Do you really want to=0Abe testing electrical circui
ts to see which one generated the smoke=0Awhile trying to fly partial panel
, solo?=0A=0A=0AOn 12/21/06, Chris Johnston <CJohnston@popsound.com> wrote:
o the whole IFR thing was basically that I will have to=0A> re-learn IFR op
erations in my aircraft, because it will be so different=0A> from how I tra
ined. I'll have to get used to the EFIS, and cockpit=0A> resource manageme
nt in general, then wrangle an instructor to do an IPC=0A> with me, and see
what areas I need help in.=0A>=0A> cj=0A> #40410=0A> fuse=0A> www.perfectl
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Aaah... I sense an upcoming heated discussion about what constitutes
acceptable backup systems for IFR. I definitely appreciate the gravity
(pun intended) of the situation, and what's at stake, but I'll stay out
of it. I think I can have enough fun perusing the archives on the
subject! :)
I guess the original question was is there a bunch of old IFR junk that
you can skip over if you are flying a technically advanced aircraft? My
admittedly limited experience sez nope. With the possible exception of
the ADF. Unless you want to listen to an AM radio station! (but you
still have to get those questions right on the written)
Remember, I'm a low time pilot, and the ink is still drying on my IFR
ticket. I don't really know anything. These are just things I think.
cj
#40410
fuse
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McMullen
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR
The only thing you will have to learn in your own aircraft is any new
equipment beyond what you used for the checkride, and to determine
what speeds and power settings work for the different phases of
descent, climb, holding, approach, which you have to determine in any
airplane. All planes made since about 1975 have a standard T
instrument layout of steam gauges. If you choose to go to EFIS, that
will just be learning a different presentation, but you need to know
the standard steam gauges for your backup. You need to be proficient
at flying the plane with a single gyro, compass, airspeed and
altimeter, without all the glass panel gizmos. If you can't do that,
how are you going to survive when you have one of those gizmos release
the smoke they contain and you have to shutdown your full electrical
system because you don't have the ability to crawl beneath the panel
and fly the airplane too and you only know that fire follows smoke?? E
bus means nothing if you have an electrically generated puff of smoke
in the cockpit and are in the soup. Just keep that in mind when
designing redunancy if you plan on flying IFR. Do you really want to
be testing electrical circuits to see which one generated the smoke
while trying to fly partial panel, solo?
On 12/21/06, Chris Johnston <CJohnston@popsound.com> wrote:
> My approach to the whole IFR thing was basically that I will have to
> re-learn IFR operations in my aircraft, because it will be so
different
> from how I trained. I'll have to get used to the EFIS, and cockpit
> resource management in general, then wrangle an instructor to do an
IPC
> with me, and see what areas I need help in.
>
> cj
> #40410
> fuse
> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>
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Not bad, Niko, but I think you'll actually come to like the EFIS
better than the 6-pack for the references you can get. If it
were me, I'd flip them so the 6 pack is either low or to the right,
and center up your EFIS on your side of the plane so it's right
in front of you. I know you're trying to recreate a total
steam gauge set, but given what you have in the EFIS, I'd use
that more, and ditch the VSI and Turn Coordinator completely.
Even if all heck breaks loose, you can get by without those
2, although admittedly they do have useful purposes...but
if the steam gauges are your "backup", then it's not worth
duplicating those functions. On the other hand, if the EFIS
is your "backup", and you're adamant about that, then I'd
say you should ditch one of the screens, or just use it as
a full-screen map page.
Actually, the best thing for you since it looks like you're
on the fence about trusting that you'll like an EFIS, is
to get out and get in someone's plane with a GRT system
and fly behind it. You may be put at ease knowing that it
actually works pretty well. From a steam gauge replacement
point of view, today's EFIS's really do a great job at
taking over for a 6-pack. From an approach/terrain/weather
and more extended EFIS/MFD function point of view, then you
have to decide if the more expensive EFIS's are what you
need or not. The GRT stuff though is great in that it gives
you a lot for a little.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Niko wrote:
> In light of this discussion I am attaching my current panel
> configuration for informational purposes. Its probably going to still
> change quiet a bit but the layout is probably close. I think the
> location of the instuments allows the pilot to use either a standard 6
> pack or the EFIS tubes. I actually prefer a standard 6 pack in a lot of
> situations but want the HITS capability of the EFIS. The airplane will
> have a vacuum system and an EFIS.
>
> Niko
> 40188
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 5:37:14 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR
>
>
> The only thing you will have to learn in your own aircraft is any new
> equipment beyond what you used for the checkride, and to determine
> what speeds and power settings work for the different phases of
> descent, climb, holding, approach, which you have to determine in any
> airplane. All planes made since about 1975 have a standard T
> instrument layout of steam gauges. If you choose to go to EFIS, that
> will just be learning a different presentation, but you need to know
> the standard steam gauges for your backup. You need to be proficient
> at flying the plane with a single gyro, compass, airspeed and
> altimeter, without all the glass panel gizmos. If you can't do that,
> how are you going to survive when you have one of those gizmos release
> the smoke they contain and you have to shutdown your full electrical
> system because you don't have the ability to crawl beneath the panel
> and fly the airplane too and you only know that fire follows smoke?? E
> bus means nothing if you have an electrically generated puff of smoke
> in the cockpit and are in the soup. Just keep that in mind when
> designing redunancy if you plan on flying IFR. Do you really want to
> be testing electrical circuits to see which one generated the smoke
> while trying to fly partial panel, solo?
>
>
> On 12/21/06, Chris Johnston <CJohnston@popsound.com> wrote:
> > My approach to the whole IFR thing was basically that I will have to
> > re-learn IFR operations in my aircraft, because it will be so different
> > from how I trained. I'll have to get used to the EFIS, and cockpit
> > resource management in general, then wrangle an instructor to do an IPC
> > with me, and see what areas I need help in.
> >
> > cj
> > #40410
> > fuse
> > www.aeroelectric.comwww.buildersbooks.com
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Just finished the first oil change of our RV-10 and during inspection found that
the muffler shroud or underlying muffler structure had shifted positions slightly
and the row of stainless steel screws that are anchored by tinnermans needed
to be tightened.
This was quite easy to adjust on the port muffler but the starboard muffler screw
heads are blocked by the engine mount and other stuff. Suggest to those that
are still working on the muffler installation that you flip the row of screws
over on the starboard muffler to permit easy access from the bottom.
Bill DeRouchey
billderou@yahoo.com
N939SB, Flying
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| Subject: | Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? |
The last couple of times I have orderred parts through Van's I have been
dissappointed in how long it took to get my stuff.
Last Friday I orderred some accessories over the phone, just three or four
and asked for standard UPS ground delivery.
The following Monday morning, two and a half days later, I called to add a
few small items, rivets and nuts. I was told that there was no way to
include these items in my previous order so that shipping could be all
together, no interest what so ever in even checking the status of my Friday
order.
Today I got a UPS confirmation that UPS received a package for shipment to
me from Van's. For one week the order is sitting in Van's being filled
before it even gets in the mail. So much for getting anything done on what
I need to get done during this holiday weekend.
Very frustrating and not the first time.
I know that Aircraft, Spruce and Specialty has a west coast location, but i
order through them anytime before 3pm and the next day it is sitting in my
office. EVERYTIME!
Just venting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I always try to not order the small stuff through Van's for this very
reason. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
John G.
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In a message dated 12/21/06 5:23:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
apilot2@gmail.com writes:
Fact is the ONLY backup to GPS today is the conventional VOR/DME/ILS system,
and that will continue for years into the future.
Does any one have current info on just how long the VOR system will be
supported? I think it was going to expire in 2007, 2-3 years ago the VOR system
got a life extension to when??? This must be published info somewhere??
Locally the PHK VOR got taken out with the dual hurricanes and is NOT
scheduled to get replaced. I would expect very few VOR major repairs with the
FAA budget woes, only standard maintenance. I would want to know more about
VOR longevity before I build my panel, unless i was ready to buy NOW. Is
this good thinking? I agree with Tim, learn them all, they are on the written
test. And if it is in the plane you test in you do need to know how to use
it. I also think 3 types of approaches are currently required for IFR flight
exam. The three depend on your equipment. Is that correct?
Steve
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| Subject: | RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) |
That's why I'm going with a 3 blade MT. So I can climb above them
sooner and have an extra blade on the blender. HA!
Michael
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stovall Todd
Lt Col AF/A4RX
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:50 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
<Todd.Stovall@pentagon.af.mil>
Maybe nothing, I just feel safer having a heavy metal prop out in front
because of this particular hazard. You saw what it did to the wing
(including the spar). I sure as hell wouldn't want that hitting the
windscreen and I think the a metal prop might have an advantage (maybe
wishful thinking). No evidence one way or the other and I'm not dissing
the composites nor trying to convert anyone either. I promise to shut
up now--last thing we need is another subie-type debate. Hell, I'm off
to Iraq for 6-months next month and this is really on the bottom of my
list or worries.
Happy Festivus everyone!
Todd
Still no further along riveting -damn it!
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 3:10 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
Ok, this must be one of those obvious things that I just cannot
comprehend.
What does going with a Hartzell prop have to do with Turkey Vultures
hitting a wing? Aluminum can withstand this type of strike better than
a composite?
John Jessen
$40328$ (Zen and the are of edge deburrrrrrrrring)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stovall Todd
Lt Col AF/A4RX
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
--> <Todd.Stovall@pentagon.af.mil>
That's one of the reasons I'm going with a Hartzell prop. In Florida,
where I plan to retire, Turkey Buzzards are a constant hazard.
Do Not Archive
Todd
#40631
Still riveting the HS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
WOW! Looks like it's time for a new wing. That must have been a BIG
BIRD!
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
[NTK]
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:26 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
<Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
Check this out on Van's Airforce http://www.vansairforce.net/
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250 (192 hours)
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Maybe not to current, but it is info.
http://www.faa.gov/asd/briefings/05-19-03_transition_strategy.ppt#7
Rene'
801-721-6080
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR
In a message dated 12/21/06 5:23:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
apilot2@gmail.com writes:
Fact is the ONLY backup to GPS today is the conventional VOR/DME/ILS
system,
and that will continue for years into the future.
Does any one have current info on just how long the VOR system will
be
supported? I think it was going to expire in 2007, 2-3 years ago the
VOR
system got a life extension to when??? This must be published info
somewhere??
Locally the PHK VOR got taken out with the dual hurricanes and is NOT
scheduled to get replaced. I would expect very few VOR major repairs
with
the FAA budget woes, only standard maintenance. I would want to know
more
about VOR longevity before I build my panel, unless i was ready to buy
NOW.
Is this good thinking? I agree with Tim, learn them all, they are on
the
written test. And if it is in the plane you test in you do need to know
how
to use it. I also think 3 types of approaches are currently required
for
IFR flight exam. The three depend on your equipment. Is that correct?
Steve
do not archive
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Steve,
I can see VOR and DME...not ILS.
just a pennys worth...
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? |
Van's orders take planning.....they have always shipped on their schedule...they
are not ACS for sure but when they have what you need...time is on thier side.
ALWAYS been that way...not gonna change...get used to it, accept it and enjoy
the handling charge..
They are still OK in my book.
Rick S.
40185
FF kit arrived today and more INVENTORY AND STINKING PAPER PACKING...(exhaust looks
kewl!!!)
Thought I was done with that, vent over with...back to your original programming.
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage door |
Guys,
Massage, bend, caress and shoot for this.....and use the hand seamer....I did all
of that and it's N...I...C...E.
When asked by my fellow builder how I did it?? ....Why workmanship my lad...workmanship.
Naaaahh...metal is your friend once you figure out how to work it (think girlfriend/wife)
with total respect.
Rick S.
40185
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CJ wrote: "Remember, I'm a low time pilot, and the ink is still drying on my IFR
ticket. I don't really know anything. These are just things I think."
Grasshopper you are wise beyond your years and your humble opinion of yourself
is refreshing...
Now why do you jump out of airplanes and BASE jump??????
Rick S.
40185
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And you don't know nothing CJ?? Your well on your way young man.
CJ wrote:
"Hey Jeff -
I'm with you about not cluttering your head with "non-useful" or
outdated instrument flight training, and to a certain extent trying to
train for the IFR environment that you'll be flying in - ie: super
modern GPS with LPV approaches and EFIS systems that talk to the NAV and
provide ILS needles on the display etc. the reality is that you have to
know ALL of the stuff. I'm talking ADF OBS CDI DME arcs - everything.
First of all, it's all going to be on the knowledge test (written), and
second of all, the aircraft you'll be training in (unless you finish
your build and train in your own aircraft) will most likely have a
couple nav/coms, CDI/OBS, maybe even an ADF, and a slightly older IFR
GPS like a KLN94 if it has one at all. and if the aircraft has it,
you'll be expected to know how to navigate with it. The rule as it was
explained to me is that for your checkride, you have to show proficiency
with all the installed equipment. A friend of mine just got his IFR
ticket, and he didn't have to do any GPS approaches. Why? No IFR GPS
in the plane. Also, to a certain extent, it helps to understand the
evolution of some of the equipment and know how to use it. not sure
why.
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| Subject: | Re: FS RV rear foam seats |
Jesse,
I would be interested to know more about your changes to the rear seats.
Do you have pics of the your seatback design? Do you have the foam
made locally?
Thanks,
Kevin
40494
tail/empennage
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FS RV rear foam seats
Send us a picture of your new design. We have made rear seat backs
that match the front and have foam that fits them made for us. IMHO,
the Van's design is ugly, but it looks classy with matching front and
rear.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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