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1. 03:51 AM - Re: tailcone rivets - Riveting Fuse Side Skins (Richard Reynolds)
2. 04:28 AM - Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) (Wayne Edgerton)
3. 04:31 AM - Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) (Wayne Edgerton)
4. 06:03 AM - Re: IFR (Eric Ekberg)
5. 06:32 AM - Re: Baggage door (Rick)
6. 07:35 AM - Re: Baggage door (John Gonzalez)
7. 08:06 AM - Re: Trutrak Flatpack dimensions? (neal.george@mchsi.com)
8. 08:10 AM - Re: IFR (Kelly McMullen)
9. 08:39 AM - Rolling the leading edges of the elevator & rudder (Les Kearney)
10. 09:21 AM - Re: IFR (Eric Ekberg)
11. 09:48 AM - Re: IFR (Kelly McMullen)
12. 10:04 AM - Re: IFR (Chris Johnston)
13. 10:53 AM - Ceramic exhaust coating (Rick)
14. 10:57 AM - Re: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? (Brian Douglas)
15. 11:28 AM - Elevator trim setting (Bill DeRouchey)
16. 11:36 AM - Re: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? (MauleDriver)
17. 11:41 AM - Re: Rolling the leading edges of the elevator & rudder (Rick)
18. 11:56 AM - RV-10 For Sale (ivo welch)
19. 12:03 PM - Re: Baggage door (Rick Gray)
20. 12:09 PM - Re: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? (John Gonzalez)
21. 12:53 PM - Re: Rolling the leading edges of the elevator & rudder (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com)
22. 01:08 PM - Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) (Scott Schmidt)
23. 02:03 PM - Re: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? (Dave Leikam)
24. 02:45 PM - Re: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? (Tim Olson)
25. 03:32 PM - Re: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? (Jeff Carpenter)
26. 04:48 PM - Re: Baggage door (John Gonzalez)
27. 04:48 PM - Playstation 3 (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
28. 05:25 PM - Re: Ceramic exhaust coating (Deems Davis)
29. 05:33 PM - Re: Baggage door (Chris Johnston)
30. 05:59 PM - Re: Baggage door (Tim Olson)
31. 06:41 PM - Re: Playstation 3 (Rick)
32. 06:48 PM - Re: Baggage door (Rick)
33. 06:54 PM - Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) (Rick)
34. 06:57 PM - Re: Ceramic exhaust coating (Rick)
35. 07:37 PM - Re: Baggage door (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
36. 07:41 PM - RV 10 sun visors (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
37. 07:44 PM - Re: Ceramic exhaust coating (John W. Cox)
38. 07:44 PM - Re: Ceramic exhaust coating (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
39. 08:30 PM - Re: Ceramic exhaust coating (Deems Davis)
40. 10:20 PM - Re: RV 10 sun visors (Jesse Saint)
41. 10:21 PM - Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) (Scott Schmidt)
42. 10:24 PM - Re: Ceramic exhaust coating (Scott Schmidt)
43. 10:54 PM - trim tab problem. (Dave Leikam)
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| Subject: | Re: tailcone rivets - Riveting Fuse Side Skins |
Dave,
See attached pictures.
For the floor (RV-9A), I erected two vertical posts and clamped two
athwartship braces under the forward and aft spars. The floor is
clamped to the braces.
For the tailcone (RV-10), it was quicker to just set up a ladder and
use the tail hook to secure it, Put some padding on the ladder. The
bottom skin (J bars) had been completely back riveted before it was
assembled into the sides and tops. Leave room at the floor to get
inside. See the feet of person inside! The very aft end was finished
by putting the tailcone on some low saw horses. In the pictures, the
skins aft of F109? are still clecoed.
If you do not have room in the workshop, move outside for the hour or
so it takes to rivet the structure together,
Make your supports secure. Do not drop the assembly on the floor.
Richard Reynolds
Norfolk, VA
=EF=BC=EF=BC=EF=BC
On Feb 23, 2006, at 6:02 PM, McGANN, Ron wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
> I'm intrigued. Can you shed some more light (a picture would be
> awesome)? Did you suspend the fuse from the ceiling/rafter? If
> so, did you suspend from the centre section spars?
>
> thanks
> Ron
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Reynolds
> Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 9:12 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Riveting Fuse Side Skins
>
> We hung ours vertical resting against 2 2X4 at a height that
> allowed easy access. Did the same for the tail cone.
>
> Richard Reynolds
> Norfolk, VA
>
>
> On Feb 22, 2006, at 5:58 PM, McGANN, Ron wrote:
>
>> G'day all,
>>
>> I'm about to start riveting the fuse side skins. Has anyone had
>> any success backriveting these skins? If so, what is the trick
>> for preventing damage to the ribs/floor panels while climbing
>> around inside?
>>
>> If your are near this point, have a look at Rick Sked's fuse stand
>> in Tim Olsons page under fuselage tips. Looks neat, easy to build
>> and versatile. I had not noticed it before. I guess the only
>> down side is the height is fixed.
>>
>> thanks in advance,
>> Ron
>> #187 fuse
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won) |
Man that sure the hell would get a guys attention quick. I don't imagine
that was a very productive day for the Vulture either. I've deen bird
stikes but this one wins the prize.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture |
(the RV won)RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
What does a Hartzell prop have to do with Turkey Vultures? The size of
the prop protecting the windshield or outrunning them or what? Don't
think it would have helped this guy, do you?
Wayne Edgerton #40336
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What exactly do you disagree with?
As I stated, CAT 1 like minimums are available with LPV when the runway
supports it (that means appropriate lighting, obstruction clearance, etc. -
no ILS is required). The FAA is ramping LPV approach creation; they are
working their way to thousands of LPV approaches (remember LPV is not your
typical GPS approach at this point in time). Saying the typical GPS
approach is going to remain crappy for a LONG time depends upon your
definition of LONG. If long means anything more than a few years - you are
dead wrong.
And where did I state to fly GPS only? I said to use GPS/NAV/COM as primary
(maybe you forgot the NAV/COM part?) and have an adaquate backup VOR/ILS
system in case of primary failure. And just for the record, the FAA has not
determined what will be the GPS/WAAS backup will be yet. I don't expect
VORs nor DMEs to be going anywhere for at least 1~2 decades.
Eric
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On 12/21/06, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I would disagree with that assessment. You will not get CAT I minimums
> without ILS approach clearances, approach lighting and runway
> lighting. Most runways that don't have ILS don't have the clear zones,
> the approach lighting nor the runway lighting and markings. Most GPS
> approaches are going to remain at non-precision minimums in the range
> of 400-800 ft and 3/4 to 1 mile vis for a LONG time. Tim is right.
> Learn the IFR system as it exists. Flying GPS only, will only diminish
> your skills and ability to navigate when the GPS loses lock, system
> crashes, loses power, etc. Fact is the ONLY backup to GPS today is the
> conventional VOR/DME/ILS system, and that will continue for years into
> the future.
>
> On 12/21/06, Eric Ekberg <etekberg@gmail.com> wrote:
> > My 2 cents:
> > Get a WAAS capable GPS/NAV/COM and have a backup NAV/COM. If you get an
> > audio panel you'll get a marker beacon receiver thrown in with it
> (although
> > they are going the way of the dodo also). A big FAA goal is the
> publishing
> > of LPV approaches (WAAS equivalent to CAT 1 - when runway supports it).
> > They aren't a big deal at this moment in time, but they will be
> soon. If
> > GPS fails you'll have VOR/ILS (backup NAV/COM) for fallback.
> >
> > Also you should have in-cockpit weather (Garmin 396 or 496 is the
> cheapest
> > current method).
> > Of course with one engine and no ice protection I wouldn't call it a
> hard
> > IFR setup.
> >
> > Eric
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > On 12/21/06, Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
> jeff@westcottpress.com >
> > >
> > > I'd like to expand this thread a bit to get some feedback on what I'd
> > > call Modern IFR equipment and the resulting training that's
> > > appropriate for using it.
> > >
> > > I've got about 250 hours, but haven't flown in over seven years. In
> > > many ways, I'll be starting over as I prepare to fly my RV-10.
> > > Instrument navigation, for me, was never more than triangulating off
> > > of a couple of VORs and perhaps getting some useful information off
> > > of a DME if the plane I was renting was so equipped.
> > >
> > > I plan to get back up to speed by getting my instrument rating.
> > > Starting over, I imagine that there are entire IFR systems I can do
> > > without... and not further clutter my head with "old fashioned"
> > > information.
> > >
> > > To what extent can I equip my plane without those things, still have
> > > safe alternatives should the gps system fail and avoid spending time
> > > instrument training for systems I won't be using?
> > >
> >
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Really give the hand seamer some thought. I had another builder ask me how I made
mine fit so well. It was all minor work with a hands seamer. Take your time
and don't bend the edges but use the tool to slightly "bow" them, don't close
the jaws tightly on the skin but leave them open a bit so the skin can sort of
roll and move as you work it, but just do a little at a time. Tape on the jaws
help to keep the skin from slipping off.
Rick S.
40185
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Thanks for the suggestions.
The problem I am having understanding the use of the seemer is that the
entire door skin is flat, any shape that the skin takes should be a by
product of the frame's shape which the skin is tied to. I really don't want
to touch the skin and bend it at the edges because it will be very obvious
where the break from straightness/flatness occurs. It seems that the slight
bow in the top part of the frame is what needs to be slightly removed,
perhaps with bend between two hands(Easy does it).
I am trying to digest what you are saying, hoping what I am saying is making
sense aswell.
JOhn G.
>From: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Baggage door
>Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:30:07 -0500 (EST)
>
>
>Really give the hand seamer some thought. I had another builder ask me how
>I made mine fit so well. It was all minor work with a hands seamer. Take
>your time and don't bend the edges but use the tool to slightly "bow" them,
>don't close the jaws tightly on the skin but leave them open a bit so the
>skin can sort of roll and move as you work it, but just do a little at a
>time. Tape on the jaws help to keep the skin from slipping off.
>
>Rick S.
>40185
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trutrak Flatpack dimensions? |
Here you go, CJ...
Neal
>
> Hey all -
>
> Looked all over and can't seem to find what I'm lookin fer... anyone
> have dimensions on the "flat pack" controller for a Trutrak Digiflight
> IIVSGV?
>
> Thanks!
> cj
> #40410
> fuse
> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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What I disagree with is the concept that there will be thousands of
LPV approaches where there is no ILS today. Sure, the minimums are
approved, but have you looked at what is required for a precision
approach, regardless of the guidance? It isn't just designing an
approach. You have to spend the money to ensure an obstacle free
approach path, install approach lighting and runway lighting that
doesn't exist today, to CAT 1 ILS standards. Without that, you will be
limited to non-precision minimums. That is a fact. There is no big
budget to pay for all that runway and approach lighting improvement.
Unless the individual airports find a way to pay for it, it simply is
not going to happen in less than a decade.
On 12/22/06, Eric Ekberg <etekberg@gmail.com> wrote:
> What exactly do you disagree with?
>
> As I stated, CAT 1 like minimums are available with LPV when the runway
> supports it (that means appropriate lighting, obstruction clearance, etc. -
> no ILS is required). The FAA is ramping LPV approach creation; they are
> working their way to thousands of LPV approaches (remember LPV is not your
> typical GPS approach at this point in time). Saying the typical GPS
> approach is going to remain crappy for a LONG time depends upon your
> definition of LONG. If long means anything more than a few years - you are
> dead wrong.
>
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| Subject: | Rolling the leading edges of the elevator & rudder |
Hi
Yesterday, with the help of friend I rolled the leading edge of one of
my
elevators using the technique in the Van=92s docs. I used a 1 =BC=94 OD
pipe to
do the rolling. I found that using an edge seamer / hand seamer I was
able
to eliminate most of the gap between the skins along the rivet line (but
not
all). I also noted that there is a slight but noticeable high point
along
the rivet line were the seamers did their thing. This means the pop
rivet
head is not perfectly flush to the skin on all sides due to the high
point.
I suspect there is a better way to eliminate the puckers along the rivet
line without causing a high spot. Any suggestions? I would like to do a
better job on the rudder and remaining elevator.
Inquiring minds need to know
Les Kearney
RV10 #40643 ' Lost in the empennage
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I somewhat agree with the intent of what you just said there. But just
to get some facts straight, there will be lots of LPV approaches where there
are no ILSs today (they just won't be 200 feet approaches though).
But back to the intent, I don't think you are considering all the facts.
Have you thought about those airports that may have the other
infrastructure, but only 1 ILS system? In order to have an approach at both
ends of the runway (pre-GPS/WAAS) you need two ILSs. With LPV you don't.
Opposite runway ends and other runways become prime candidates I would
think.
Are you aware that the typical ILS system requires the ground terrain at the
airport to be straight and somewhat level? The traditional ILS reflects off
the ground. I say traditional because there are other types of ILSs. If
there are hills or mountains or other obstructions, they are much more
difficult if not impossible to implement. LPV approaches have none of those
concerns. What about these type airports that have the money, but not the
terrain?
Also, ILS systems are expensive for the airport and require significant
maintenance for the airport. LPV approaches are maintenance free and
significantly reduce the cost of the approach to the airport. I would think
that will mean more approaches for middle-income airports.
Regardless, even if we assume that all low minimum LPV approaches will only
be ILS overlays, the bottom line question is: how is my equipment
recommendation poor? It in no way precludes the use of ILS.
Eric
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On 12/22/06, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> What I disagree with is the concept that there will be thousands of
> LPV approaches where there is no ILS today. Sure, the minimums are
> approved, but have you looked at what is required for a precision
> approach, regardless of the guidance? It isn't just designing an
> approach. You have to spend the money to ensure an obstacle free
> approach path, install approach lighting and runway lighting that
> doesn't exist today, to CAT 1 ILS standards. Without that, you will be
> limited to non-precision minimums. That is a fact. There is no big
> budget to pay for all that runway and approach lighting improvement.
> Unless the individual airports find a way to pay for it, it simply is
> not going to happen in less than a decade.
>
> On 12/22/06, Eric Ekberg <etekberg@gmail.com> wrote:
> > What exactly do you disagree with?
> >
> > As I stated, CAT 1 like minimums are available with LPV when the runway
> > supports it (that means appropriate lighting, obstruction clearance,
> etc. -
> > no ILS is required). The FAA is ramping LPV approach creation; they are
> > working their way to thousands of LPV approaches (remember LPV is not
> your
> > typical GPS approach at this point in time). Saying the typical GPS
> > approach is going to remain crappy for a LONG time depends upon your
> > definition of LONG. If long means anything more than a few years - you
> are
> > dead wrong.
> >
>
>
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Yes, I'm well aware of what an ILS takes....(I used to be a controller
at an airport with a Cat II approach). Just because a runway has an
ILS at one end, doesn't mean it is good for a precision approach at
the other end. The glide slope requirements are what you are talking
about, not localizer. Costs for maintenance are a lot more than just
the transmitter. Runway and approach lighting and required backup
generators are major expenses that will also be required. That isn't
going to happen at airports without commercial service. Without them,
it is pretty unlikely the FAA is going to approve an approach to less
than 400 ft and 3/4 mi. And any sane pilot wouldn't want to fly them.
Adding a WAAS capable IFR certified unit to any panel is going to cost
you $10K, which many folks are not going to spend unless their mission
need calls for frequent use of LPV approaches. Only one WAAS certified
receiver is available today, two more in maybe 6 months. Existing ILSs
will be around for a long time, as will many of the VORs. WAAS is
about 5 yrs behind schedule now, LAAS has no realistic timetable, and
it is what you REALLY want to fly a precision GPS approach.
But back to the original discussion. We are talking about equipment
for a 250 hour pilot without an instrument rating, who is going to go
get his rating. Such a pilot has a long ways to go before they are
ready to shoot LPV approaches to minimums in real weather when they
really need to get down. That sort of pilot IMHO is best served to get
their rating with conventional equipment, then decide what is the
right level of equipment, rather than relying on advice of pilots who
have totally different mission profiles, skills and needs. It isn't
hard to pick up the GPS skills, it is much harder to go the other
direction, to transition from glass cockpit to steam gauges and VOR.
On 12/22/06, Eric Ekberg <etekberg@gmail.com> wrote:
> I somewhat agree with the intent of what you just said there. But just to
> get some facts straight, there will be lots of LPV approaches where there
> are no ILSs today (they just won't be 200 feet approaches though).
>
> But back to the intent, I don't think you are considering all the facts.
> Have you thought about those airports that may have the other
> infrastructure, but only 1 ILS system? In order to have an approach at both
> ends of the runway (pre-GPS/WAAS) you need two ILSs. With LPV you don't.
> Opposite runway ends and other runways become prime candidates I would
> think.
>
> Are you aware that the typical ILS system requires the ground terrain at the
> airport to be straight and somewhat level? The traditional ILS reflects off
> the ground. I say traditional because there are other types of ILSs. If
> there are hills or mountains or other obstructions, they are much more
> difficult if not impossible to implement. LPV approaches have none of those
> concerns. What about these type airports that have the money, but not the
> terrain?
>
> Also, ILS systems are expensive for the airport and require significant
> maintenance for the airport. LPV approaches are maintenance free and
> significantly reduce the cost of the approach to the airport. I would think
> that will mean more approaches for middle-income airports.
>
> Regardless, even if we assume that all low minimum LPV approaches will only
> be ILS overlays, the bottom line question is: how is my equipment
> recommendation poor? It in no way precludes the use of ILS.
>
> Eric
> do not archive
>
>
> On 12/22/06, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > What I disagree with is the concept that there will be thousands of
> > LPV approaches where there is no ILS today. Sure, the minimums are
> > approved, but have you looked at what is required for a precision
> > approach, regardless of the guidance? It isn't just designing an
> > approach. You have to spend the money to ensure an obstacle free
> > approach path, install approach lighting and runway lighting that
> > doesn't exist today, to CAT 1 ILS standards. Without that, you will be
> > limited to non-precision minimums. That is a fact. There is no big
> > budget to pay for all that runway and approach lighting improvement.
> > Unless the individual airports find a way to pay for it, it simply is
> > not going to happen in less than a decade.
> >
> > On 12/22/06, Eric Ekberg <etekberg@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > What exactly do you disagree with?
> > >
> > > As I stated, CAT 1 like minimums are available with LPV when the runway
> > > supports it (that means appropriate lighting, obstruction clearance,
> etc. -
> > > no ILS is required). The FAA is ramping LPV approach creation; they are
> > > working their way to thousands of LPV approaches (remember LPV is not
> your
> > > typical GPS approach at this point in time). Saying the typical GPS
> > > approach is going to remain crappy for a LONG time depends upon your
> > > definition of LONG. If long means anything more than a few years - you
> are
>
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Don't worry. If I had something to toot my horn about, you'd hear it
loud and clear! About aircraft construction, IFR flight or regs, or
piloting in general, there's waaaay more qualified people than me on
this list to provide answers. Risk assessment is something of a hobby
for me, and when calculating risk, I've found it important to qualify
the source of a piece of information - ie: direct experience, indirect
experience, etc. My least favorite thing is "conventional wisdom". I
can never seem to nail down sources for that kind of info. So when I
add a drop of personal experience into such a wealth of actual knowledge
and actual experience, it's important for me to qualify it.
Now, ask me about BASE jumping, skydiving, or canopy piloting and I'll
give you all the qualified answers you want! (see attached pictures!)
cj
#40410
fuse
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR
CJ wrote: "Remember, I'm a low time pilot, and the ink is still drying
on my IFR
ticket. I don't really know anything. These are just things I think."
Grasshopper you are wise beyond your years and your humble opinion of
yourself is refreshing...
Now why do you jump out of airplanes and BASE jump??????
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Ceramic exhaust coating |
Anybody want to chime in on the plus and minus of having the exhaust coated?
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? |
Yeah, I've had similar experiences. One time after I got the "your order
has already shipped so we can't add to it" answer, my wife called FedEx to
confirm that (if you knew her this would make sense). Turns out FedEx
hadn't shown up at Vans yet so she called them on it and insisted they add
to my existing order. Most recently I ordered a replacement F-1010 bulkhead
1st thing monday morning, only to have it shipped the following Friday.
Vans makes a tremendous product but I'd say the Marketing and Customer
Service deptments are somewhat subpar. Oh well. I think from now on, I'll
just plan to pay extra for the 2 day shipping to avoid extended buildus
interruptus.
Just my $.02
-Brian
Iowa City, IA
#40497
Tailcone rivets this weekend!
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 7:59 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go??
>
> The last couple of times I have orderred parts through Van's I have been
> dissappointed in how long it took to get my stuff.
>
> Last Friday I orderred some accessories over the phone, just three or four
> and asked for standard UPS ground delivery.
>
> The following Monday morning, two and a half days later, I called to add a
> few small items, rivets and nuts. I was told that there was no way to
> include these items in my previous order so that shipping could be all
> together, no interest what so ever in even checking the status of my
> Friday order.
>
> Today I got a UPS confirmation that UPS received a package for shipment to
> me from Van's. For one week the order is sitting in Van's being filled
> before it even gets in the mail. So much for getting anything done on
> what I need to get done during this holiday weekend.
>
> Very frustrating and not the first time.
>
> I know that Aircraft, Spruce and Specialty has a west coast location, but
> i order through them anytime before 3pm and the next day it is sitting in
> my office. EVERYTIME!
>
> Just venting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> I always try to not order the small stuff through Van's for this very
> reason. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
>
> John G.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Elevator trim setting |
I went through this issue with Vans couple of months ago hoping for a plans revision
or service bulletin but those folks seem to be busy in other areas - but
I believe it to be important and want to share my findings.
I setup my elevator tabs per the instructions with both left and right 35 degrees
below trail position when the servo is at the full up position. It is possible
to meet this spec by making adjustments at the servo end of the cable.
During my first cross country I happened to look back at the tail and saw it
was twisted. The elevator counter weight was above the horizontal stablizer on
one side and below on the other. This bothered me more than a little as the forces
would need to be high to cause this twist. I had not noticed this during
my test flights because I now had luggage in the back and needed more down trim.
After a lot of measurements I determined that the problem was I followed the
instructions. If you begin with both elevator trim surfaces down at exactly
35 degrees the port side will never rise to trail position do to the cam action
of the two actuators. Yet, the starboard will rise .75 inch above trail causing
the twist.
At a minimum effort, all flying RV-10s should check for this condition. The fix
is easy.
Highly recommend that you set the trim as follows:
1. Run the trim servo to full nose up.
2. Set the starboard trim tab trailing edge to 3 inches below elevator trailing
edge.
3. Run the starboard trim tab to trail.
4. Set the port trim tab to trail.
Using these settings you will be able to trim out all pitch forces during final
with the CG forward.
Bill DeRouchey
billderou@yahoo.com
N939SB, flying straight
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| Subject: | Re: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? |
I think I'm experiencing that now. I ordered some parts Monday, it
showed up on the "ship list" on Tuesday (that's good). But it's not in
UPS's tracking system yet (which happens within minutes of actual
pickup). I'm concluding that "ship list" means, "ordered rec'd and sent
for picking/packing".
The aircraft are so good, the kits so well engineered, and the overall
experience so wonderful that I'm fine with Van's core compentencies
being over in the design and engineering area. Receiving, picking,
packing and otherwise processing parts orders is important for Amazon.
I sense that suppling parts and accessories is a merely a requirement
for Vans being in this business.
Remember when it took 'everyone' 3 days to process an order for
anything? Ship overnight? forgetaboutit!
Bill "deburr, dimple, deburr, dimple, deburr dimple the tailcone" Watson
Brian Douglas wrote:
> <bsponcil@belinblank.org>
>
>
> Yeah, I've had similar experiences. One time after I got the "your
> order has already shipped so we can't add to it" answer, my wife
> called FedEx to confirm that (if you knew her this would make sense).
> Turns out FedEx hadn't shown up at Vans yet so she called them on it
> and insisted they add to my existing order. Most recently I ordered a
> replacement F-1010 bulkhead 1st thing monday morning, only to have it
> shipped the following Friday.
>
> Vans makes a tremendous product but I'd say the Marketing and Customer
> Service deptments are somewhat subpar. Oh well. I think from now on,
> I'll just plan to pay extra for the 2 day shipping to avoid extended
> buildus interruptus.
>
> Just my $.02
>
> -Brian
>
> Iowa City, IA
> #40497
> Tailcone rivets this weekend!
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gonzalez"
> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
> To: <RV10-LIST@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 7:59 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go??
>
>
>> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>
>> The last couple of times I have orderred parts through Van's I have
>> been dissappointed in how long it took to get my stuff.
>>
>> Last Friday I orderred some accessories over the phone, just three or
>> four and asked for standard UPS ground delivery.
>>
>> The following Monday morning, two and a half days later, I called to
>> add a few small items, rivets and nuts. I was told that there was no
>> way to include these items in my previous order so that shipping
>> could be all together, no interest what so ever in even checking the
>> status of my Friday order.
>>
>> Today I got a UPS confirmation that UPS received a package for
>> shipment to me from Van's. For one week the order is sitting in Van's
>> being filled before it even gets in the mail. So much for getting
>> anything done on what I need to get done during this holiday weekend.
>>
>> Very frustrating and not the first time.
>>
>> I know that Aircraft, Spruce and Specialty has a west coast location,
>> but i order through them anytime before 3pm and the next day it is
>> sitting in my office. EVERYTIME!
>>
>> Just venting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> I always try to not order the small stuff through Van's for this very
>> reason. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
>>
>> John G.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rolling the leading edges of the elevator & rudder |
Les,
I used a smaller pipe on the overlap skin. It allowed me to get a tighter radius
and it overlayed the under skin much better. Try to keep the bend outside of
the rivet line, towards the edge, and don't make it to pronounced. It should
cleco together and look just as good as if you had rivets holding it together.
The less stress to get it together the better.
Rick S.
40185
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Dear RV-10 group. I have reduced my asking price for N325HP
(http://welch.econ.brown.edu/n325hp) to $209,000 . With any
reasonable labor cost and capital cost, this RV-10 with this engine,
avionics, interior, quality, etc. cannot be duplicated at this price.
(It has about 160 hours, a lot of it being "flight-testing" for those
people who do not want to be test pilots themselves.)
If you know of someone interested in buying one, please let them know.
The airplane is in Rhode Island.
regards,
/ivo
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage door |
John,
You've received at least a dozen replies now. If it's that bad then make
a new door.
It's that simple... move on :^).
Yes...I'm hitting the delete key.
Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
do NOT archive
----- Original Message -----
From: John Gonzalez
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:33 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Baggage door
<indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Thanks for the suggestions.
The problem I am having understanding the use of the seemer is that
the
entire door skin is flat, any shape that the skin takes should be a by
product of the frame's shape which the skin is tied to. I really
don't want
to touch the skin and bend it at the edges because it will be very
obvious
where the break from straightness/flatness occurs. It seems that the
slight
bow in the top part of the frame is what needs to be slightly removed,
perhaps with bend between two hands(Easy does it).
I am trying to digest what you are saying, hoping what I am saying is
making
sense aswell.
JOhn G.
>From: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Baggage door
>Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:30:07 -0500 (EST)
>
>
>Really give the hand seamer some thought. I had another builder ask
me how
>I made mine fit so well. It was all minor work with a hands seamer.
Take
>your time and don't bend the edges but use the tool to slightly "bow"
them,
>don't close the jaws tightly on the skin but leave them open a bit so
the
>skin can sort of roll and move as you work it, but just do a little
at a
>time. Tape on the jaws help to keep the skin from slipping off.
>
>Rick S.
>40185
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? |
Just because you guys request overnight or two day shipping does not bump it
up in the order department at Van's
As Tim Olson and several others can attest too, including me, be very
reluctant to ship anything overnight or even two day. You will be blown
away by how much it costs. And absolutely, never get anything for Saturday
delivery.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Try it out or take my word for it...don't do it.
John G
>From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go??
>Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:36:26 -0500
>
>
>I think I'm experiencing that now. I ordered some parts Monday, it showed
>up on the "ship list" on Tuesday (that's good). But it's not in UPS's
>tracking system yet (which happens within minutes of actual pickup). I'm
>concluding that "ship list" means, "ordered rec'd and sent for
>picking/packing".
>
>The aircraft are so good, the kits so well engineered, and the overall
>experience so wonderful that I'm fine with Van's core compentencies being
>over in the design and engineering area. Receiving, picking, packing and
>otherwise processing parts orders is important for Amazon. I sense that
>suppling parts and accessories is a merely a requirement for Vans being in
>this business.
>
>Remember when it took 'everyone' 3 days to process an order for anything?
>Ship overnight? forgetaboutit!
>
>Bill "deburr, dimple, deburr, dimple, deburr dimple the tailcone" Watson
>
>Brian Douglas wrote:
>>
>>
>>Yeah, I've had similar experiences. One time after I got the "your order
>>has already shipped so we can't add to it" answer, my wife called FedEx to
>>confirm that (if you knew her this would make sense). Turns out FedEx
>>hadn't shown up at Vans yet so she called them on it and insisted they add
>>to my existing order. Most recently I ordered a replacement F-1010
>>bulkhead 1st thing monday morning, only to have it shipped the following
>>Friday.
>>
>>Vans makes a tremendous product but I'd say the Marketing and Customer
>>Service deptments are somewhat subpar. Oh well. I think from now on,
>>I'll just plan to pay extra for the 2 day shipping to avoid extended
>>buildus interruptus.
>>
>>Just my $.02
>>
>>-Brian
>>
>>Iowa City, IA
>>#40497
>>Tailcone rivets this weekend!
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gonzalez"
>><indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>To: <RV10-LIST@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 7:59 PM
>>Subject: RV10-List: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go??
>>
>>
>>>
>>>The last couple of times I have orderred parts through Van's I have been
>>>dissappointed in how long it took to get my stuff.
>>>
>>>Last Friday I orderred some accessories over the phone, just three or
>>>four and asked for standard UPS ground delivery.
>>>
>>>The following Monday morning, two and a half days later, I called to add
>>>a few small items, rivets and nuts. I was told that there was no way to
>>>include these items in my previous order so that shipping could be all
>>>together, no interest what so ever in even checking the status of my
>>>Friday order.
>>>
>>>Today I got a UPS confirmation that UPS received a package for shipment
>>>to me from Van's. For one week the order is sitting in Van's being filled
>>>before it even gets in the mail. So much for getting anything done on
>>>what I need to get done during this holiday weekend.
>>>
>>>Very frustrating and not the first time.
>>>
>>>I know that Aircraft, Spruce and Specialty has a west coast location, but
>>>i order through them anytime before 3pm and the next day it is sitting in
>>>my office. EVERYTIME!
>>>
>>>Just venting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>>I always try to not order the small stuff through Van's for this very
>>>reason. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
>>>
>>>John G.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rolling the leading edges of the elevator & rudder |
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| Subject: | RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture |
(the RV won)RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
I think you want the MT because that would have allowed the Turkey
Vulture to pass in front of the plane. hahaha
Scott Schmidt
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Edgerton
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)RV-10 vs.
Turkey Vulture (the RV won)RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
What does a Hartzell prop have to do with Turkey Vultures? The size of
the prop protecting the windshield or outrunning them or what? Don't
think it would have helped this guy, do you?
Wayne Edgerton #40336
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? |
I just confirmed my order for QB wings, fuse, and finishing kit today. Told
the kits should be ready to ship late Feb. to mid March. I was told as of
today there are 688 RV-10s being built. I ordered parts for a new right
trim tab on 12/20. Parts came today Fed Ex. I was told they wouldn't
arrive till after Xmas. Shipping is a bit high I guess, $24.83 to
Milwaukee, WI (roughly).
But I guess I can never complain about getting something delivered across
the country in two days for $25.00. The game is to try not to have to many
odds and ends shipped in between major orders. I am one who thinks the USPS
should just raise their stamp rate to .50 and get it over with for a while.
Never had a problem with anything from Van's yet. Still waiting on
Creativeair lights since 12/12 though.
Dave Leikam
40496
tail assembly
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go??
>
>
> Just because you guys request overnight or two day shipping does not bump
> it up in the order department at Van's
>
> As Tim Olson and several others can attest too, including me, be very
> reluctant to ship anything overnight or even two day. You will be blown
> away by how much it costs. And absolutely, never get anything for Saturday
> delivery.
>
> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Try it out or take my word for it...don't do it.
>
> John G
>
>>From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go??
>>Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:36:26 -0500
>>
>>
>>I think I'm experiencing that now. I ordered some parts Monday, it showed
>>up on the "ship list" on Tuesday (that's good). But it's not in UPS's
>>tracking system yet (which happens within minutes of actual pickup). I'm
>>concluding that "ship list" means, "ordered rec'd and sent for
>>picking/packing".
>>
>>The aircraft are so good, the kits so well engineered, and the overall
>>experience so wonderful that I'm fine with Van's core compentencies being
>>over in the design and engineering area. Receiving, picking, packing and
>>otherwise processing parts orders is important for Amazon. I sense that
>>suppling parts and accessories is a merely a requirement for Vans being
>>in this business.
>>
>>Remember when it took 'everyone' 3 days to process an order for anything?
>>Ship overnight? forgetaboutit!
>>
>>Bill "deburr, dimple, deburr, dimple, deburr dimple the tailcone" Watson
>>
>>Brian Douglas wrote:
>>><bsponcil@belinblank.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>Yeah, I've had similar experiences. One time after I got the "your order
>>>has already shipped so we can't add to it" answer, my wife called FedEx
>>>to confirm that (if you knew her this would make sense). Turns out FedEx
>>>hadn't shown up at Vans yet so she called them on it and insisted they
>>>add to my existing order. Most recently I ordered a replacement F-1010
>>>bulkhead 1st thing monday morning, only to have it shipped the following
>>>Friday.
>>>
>>>Vans makes a tremendous product but I'd say the Marketing and Customer
>>>Service deptments are somewhat subpar. Oh well. I think from now on,
>>>I'll just plan to pay extra for the 2 day shipping to avoid extended
>>>buildus interruptus.
>>>
>>>Just my $.02
>>>
>>>-Brian
>>>
>>>Iowa City, IA
>>>#40497
>>>Tailcone rivets this weekend!
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gonzalez"
>>><indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>To: <RV10-LIST@matronics.com>
>>>Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 7:59 PM
>>>Subject: RV10-List: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go??
>>>
>>>
>>>><indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>>
>>>>The last couple of times I have orderred parts through Van's I have been
>>>>dissappointed in how long it took to get my stuff.
>>>>
>>>>Last Friday I orderred some accessories over the phone, just three or
>>>>four and asked for standard UPS ground delivery.
>>>>
>>>>The following Monday morning, two and a half days later, I called to add
>>>>a few small items, rivets and nuts. I was told that there was no way to
>>>>include these items in my previous order so that shipping could be all
>>>>together, no interest what so ever in even checking the status of my
>>>>Friday order.
>>>>
>>>>Today I got a UPS confirmation that UPS received a package for shipment
>>>>to me from Van's. For one week the order is sitting in Van's being
>>>>filled before it even gets in the mail. So much for getting anything
>>>>done on what I need to get done during this holiday weekend.
>>>>
>>>>Very frustrating and not the first time.
>>>>
>>>>I know that Aircraft, Spruce and Specialty has a west coast location,
>>>>but i order through them anytime before 3pm and the next day it is
>>>>sitting in my office. EVERYTIME!
>>>>
>>>>Just venting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>>I always try to not order the small stuff through Van's for this very
>>>>reason. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
>>>>
>>>>John G.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? |
Actually, I've been using more and more USPS and USPS Priority...simply
for the fact that with no extra charge, I can get Saturday delivery,
and often that makes the difference of getting parts for the weekend
that wouldn't make it by ground on Friday.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
>
> Just because you guys request overnight or two day shipping does not
> bump it up in the order department at Van's
>
> As Tim Olson and several others can attest too, including me, be very
> reluctant to ship anything overnight or even two day. You will be blown
> away by how much it costs. And absolutely, never get anything for
> Saturday delivery.
>
> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> Try it out or take my word for it...don't do it.
>
> John G
>
>> From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's shipping department, where did everyone
>> go??
>> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:36:26 -0500
>>
>>
>> I think I'm experiencing that now. I ordered some parts Monday, it
>> showed up on the "ship list" on Tuesday (that's good). But it's not
>> in UPS's tracking system yet (which happens within minutes of actual
>> pickup). I'm concluding that "ship list" means, "ordered rec'd and
>> sent for picking/packing".
>>
>> The aircraft are so good, the kits so well engineered, and the overall
>> experience so wonderful that I'm fine with Van's core compentencies
>> being over in the design and engineering area. Receiving, picking,
>> packing and otherwise processing parts orders is important for
>> Amazon. I sense that suppling parts and accessories is a merely a
>> requirement for Vans being in this business.
>>
>> Remember when it took 'everyone' 3 days to process an order for
>> anything? Ship overnight? forgetaboutit!
>>
>> Bill "deburr, dimple, deburr, dimple, deburr dimple the tailcone" Watson
>>
>> Brian Douglas wrote:
>>> <bsponcil@belinblank.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, I've had similar experiences. One time after I got the "your
>>> order has already shipped so we can't add to it" answer, my wife
>>> called FedEx to confirm that (if you knew her this would make
>>> sense). Turns out FedEx hadn't shown up at Vans yet so she called
>>> them on it and insisted they add to my existing order. Most recently
>>> I ordered a replacement F-1010 bulkhead 1st thing monday morning,
>>> only to have it shipped the following Friday.
>>>
>>> Vans makes a tremendous product but I'd say the Marketing and
>>> Customer Service deptments are somewhat subpar. Oh well. I think
>>> from now on, I'll just plan to pay extra for the 2 day shipping to
>>> avoid extended buildus interruptus.
>>>
>>> Just my $.02
>>>
>>> -Brian
>>>
>>> Iowa City, IA
>>> #40497
>>> Tailcone rivets this weekend!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gonzalez"
>>> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>> To: <RV10-LIST@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 7:59 PM
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go??
>>>
>>>
>>>> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>>
>>>> The last couple of times I have orderred parts through Van's I have
>>>> been dissappointed in how long it took to get my stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Last Friday I orderred some accessories over the phone, just three
>>>> or four and asked for standard UPS ground delivery.
>>>>
>>>> The following Monday morning, two and a half days later, I called to
>>>> add a few small items, rivets and nuts. I was told that there was
>>>> no way to include these items in my previous order so that shipping
>>>> could be all together, no interest what so ever in even checking the
>>>> status of my Friday order.
>>>>
>>>> Today I got a UPS confirmation that UPS received a package for
>>>> shipment to me from Van's. For one week the order is sitting in
>>>> Van's being filled before it even gets in the mail. So much for
>>>> getting anything done on what I need to get done during this holiday
>>>> weekend.
>>>>
>>>> Very frustrating and not the first time.
>>>>
>>>> I know that Aircraft, Spruce and Specialty has a west coast
>>>> location, but i order through them anytime before 3pm and the next
>>>> day it is sitting in my office. EVERYTIME!
>>>>
>>>> Just venting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> I always try to not order the small stuff through Van's for this
>>>> very reason. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
>>>>
>>>> John G.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? |
The real trick is to find a guy building nearby who's running about 6
months or so behind you. That way, when you screw up a part, you can
run up to his house and get another... then Vans can take their sweet
time getting him the replacement.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
About to embark on the "old fashioned" IFR ticket plan
On Dec 22, 2006, at 2:44 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Actually, I've been using more and more USPS and USPS
> Priority...simply
> for the fact that with no extra charge, I can get Saturday delivery,
> and often that makes the difference of getting parts for the weekend
> that wouldn't make it by ground on Friday.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> John Gonzalez wrote:
>> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>> Just because you guys request overnight or two day shipping does
>> not bump it up in the order department at Van's
>> As Tim Olson and several others can attest too, including me, be
>> very reluctant to ship anything overnight or even two day. You
>> will be blown away by how much it costs. And absolutely, never get
>> anything for Saturday delivery.
>> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
>> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
>> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
>> $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try it out or take my word
>> for it...don't do it.
>> John G
>>> From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's shipping department, where did
>>> everyone go??
>>> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:36:26 -0500
>>>
>>>
>>> I think I'm experiencing that now. I ordered some parts Monday,
>>> it showed up on the "ship list" on Tuesday (that's good). But
>>> it's not in UPS's tracking system yet (which happens within
>>> minutes of actual pickup). I'm concluding that "ship list"
>>> means, "ordered rec'd and sent for picking/packing".
>>>
>>> The aircraft are so good, the kits so well engineered, and the
>>> overall experience so wonderful that I'm fine with Van's core
>>> compentencies being over in the design and engineering area.
>>> Receiving, picking, packing and otherwise processing parts orders
>>> is important for Amazon. I sense that suppling parts and
>>> accessories is a merely a requirement for Vans being in this
>>> business.
>>>
>>> Remember when it took 'everyone' 3 days to process an order for
>>> anything? Ship overnight? forgetaboutit!
>>>
>>> Bill "deburr, dimple, deburr, dimple, deburr dimple the tailcone"
>>> Watson
>>>
>>> Brian Douglas wrote:
>>>> <bsponcil@belinblank.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I've had similar experiences. One time after I got the
>>>> "your order has already shipped so we can't add to it" answer,
>>>> my wife called FedEx to confirm that (if you knew her this would
>>>> make sense). Turns out FedEx hadn't shown up at Vans yet so she
>>>> called them on it and insisted they add to my existing order.
>>>> Most recently I ordered a replacement F-1010 bulkhead 1st thing
>>>> monday morning, only to have it shipped the following Friday.
>>>>
>>>> Vans makes a tremendous product but I'd say the Marketing and
>>>> Customer Service deptments are somewhat subpar. Oh well. I
>>>> think from now on, I'll just plan to pay extra for the 2 day
>>>> shipping to avoid extended buildus interruptus.
>>>>
>>>> Just my $.02
>>>>
>>>> -Brian
>>>>
>>>> Iowa City, IA
>>>> #40497
>>>> Tailcone rivets this weekend!
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gonzalez"
>>>> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>> To: <RV10-LIST@matronics.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 7:59 PM
>>>> Subject: RV10-List: Van's shipping department, where did
>>>> everyone go??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> The last couple of times I have orderred parts through Van's I
>>>>> have been dissappointed in how long it took to get my stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> Last Friday I orderred some accessories over the phone, just
>>>>> three or four and asked for standard UPS ground delivery.
>>>>>
>>>>> The following Monday morning, two and a half days later, I
>>>>> called to add a few small items, rivets and nuts. I was told
>>>>> that there was no way to include these items in my previous
>>>>> order so that shipping could be all together, no interest what
>>>>> so ever in even checking the status of my Friday order.
>>>>>
>>>>> Today I got a UPS confirmation that UPS received a package for
>>>>> shipment to me from Van's. For one week the order is sitting in
>>>>> Van's being filled before it even gets in the mail. So much
>>>>> for getting anything done on what I need to get done during
>>>>> this holiday weekend.
>>>>>
>>>>> Very frustrating and not the first time.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that Aircraft, Spruce and Specialty has a west coast
>>>>> location, but i order through them anytime before 3pm and the
>>>>> next day it is sitting in my office. EVERYTIME!
>>>>>
>>>>> Just venting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> I always try to not order the small stuff through Van's for
>>>>> this very reason. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> John G.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage door |
Rick,
you are actually confused with some of the other posts.
There have only been 5 repleys to my questions regarding the baggage door.
As for responses to the TURKEY VULTURE there are 17.
11 regarding IFR equipment
and 8 regarding the door latch security system.
Now that I am finished counting, The door really isn't bad at all, just
thought that some of you might have some unique ideas worth sharing that
might bring it from a 95% to a 100%. Making a new door would bring me to the
exact spot I am in right now, with no improvement...there is nothing
finallized, just want the extra 5% of result and learning before it is
finished.
JOhn G
>From: "Rick Gray" <rickgray@roadrunner.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Baggage door
>Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:19:02 -0500
>
>John,
>You've received at least a dozen replies now. If it's that bad then make a
>new door.
>
>It's that simple... move on :^).
>
>Yes...I'm hitting the delete key.
>
>Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
>do NOT archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Gonzalez
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:33 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Baggage door
>
>
><indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
> Thanks for the suggestions.
>
> The problem I am having understanding the use of the seemer is that the
> entire door skin is flat, any shape that the skin takes should be a by
> product of the frame's shape which the skin is tied to. I really don't
>want
> to touch the skin and bend it at the edges because it will be very
>obvious
> where the break from straightness/flatness occurs. It seems that the
>slight
> bow in the top part of the frame is what needs to be slightly removed,
> perhaps with bend between two hands(Easy does it).
>
> I am trying to digest what you are saying, hoping what I am saying is
>making
> sense aswell.
>
> JOhn G.
>
> >From: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Baggage door
> >Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:30:07 -0500 (EST)
> >
> >
> >Really give the hand seamer some thought. I had another builder ask me
>how
> >I made mine fit so well. It was all minor work with a hands seamer.
>Take
> >your time and don't bend the edges but use the tool to slightly "bow"
>them,
> >don't close the jaws tightly on the skin but leave them open a bit so
>the
> >skin can sort of roll and move as you work it, but just do a little at
>a
> >time. Tape on the jaws help to keep the skin from slipping off.
> >
> >Rick S.
> >40185
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Guys, I don't typically do this but I know that many kids are wanting
these Playstation 3's for Christmas, I found 3 at Walmart. Thought I
would give you guys first crack at them before I put them on E-Bay, if
interested call me on my cell 724-988-9230.
Dan Lloyd
N289DT RV-10 E
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| Subject: | Re: Ceramic exhaust coating |
Plus: lower temperature inside of cowl from exhaust radiation. Better
for fiberglass cowls.
Minus: Harder to pull heat off for heat muff,
Debatable:
Life of the exhaust system, I've had reports of it both shortening and
lengthening the life of the exhaust.
If you coat the inside of the exhaust (as well as the outside), one
member from my EAA chapter reported that his EGT temps rose aprox 100
Degrees.
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Rick wrote:
>
>Anybody want to chime in on the plus and minus of having the exhaust coated?
>
>
>
>
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I'm ecstatic to receive all the posts, cause I AM makin a new door, and
I don't want to screw this one up!
cj
#40410
fuse
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Baggage door
<indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Rick,
you are actually confused with some of the other posts.
There have only been 5 repleys to my questions regarding the baggage
door.
As for responses to the TURKEY VULTURE there are 17.
11 regarding IFR equipment
and 8 regarding the door latch security system.
Now that I am finished counting, The door really isn't bad at all, just
thought that some of you might have some unique ideas worth sharing that
might bring it from a 95% to a 100%. Making a new door would bring me to
the
exact spot I am in right now, with no improvement...there is nothing
finallized, just want the extra 5% of result and learning before it is
finished.
JOhn G
>From: "Rick Gray" <rickgray@roadrunner.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Baggage door
>Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:19:02 -0500
>
>John,
>You've received at least a dozen replies now. If it's that bad then
make a
>new door.
>
>It's that simple... move on :^).
>
>Yes...I'm hitting the delete key.
>
>Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
>do NOT archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Gonzalez
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:33 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Baggage door
>
>
><indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
> Thanks for the suggestions.
>
> The problem I am having understanding the use of the seemer is that
the
> entire door skin is flat, any shape that the skin takes should be a
by
> product of the frame's shape which the skin is tied to. I really
don't
>want
> to touch the skin and bend it at the edges because it will be very
>obvious
> where the break from straightness/flatness occurs. It seems that the
>slight
> bow in the top part of the frame is what needs to be slightly
removed,
> perhaps with bend between two hands(Easy does it).
>
> I am trying to digest what you are saying, hoping what I am saying
is
>making
> sense aswell.
>
> JOhn G.
>
> >From: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Baggage door
> >Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:30:07 -0500 (EST)
> >
> >
> >Really give the hand seamer some thought. I had another builder ask
me
>how
> >I made mine fit so well. It was all minor work with a hands seamer.
>Take
> >your time and don't bend the edges but use the tool to slightly
"bow"
>them,
> >don't close the jaws tightly on the skin but leave them open a bit
so
>the
> >skin can sort of roll and move as you work it, but just do a little
at
>a
> >time. Tape on the jaws help to keep the skin from slipping off.
> >
> >Rick S.
> >40185
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage door |
Sorry John, I'd reply about the door, but mine is only a 95% door,
so it wouldn't help you much. Does this count as a door reply for
you? Let's get those numbers up! ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
> you are actually confused with some of the other posts.
>
> There have only been 5 repleys to my questions regarding the baggage door.
> As for responses to the TURKEY VULTURE there are 17.
> 11 regarding IFR equipment
> and 8 regarding the door latch security system.
>
> Now that I am finished counting, The door really isn't bad at all, just
> thought that some of you might have some unique ideas worth sharing that
> might bring it from a 95% to a 100%. Making a new door would bring me to
> the exact spot I am in right now, with no improvement...there is nothing
> finallized, just want the extra 5% of result and learning before it is
> finished.
>
> JOhn G
>
>
>> From: "Rick Gray" <rickgray@roadrunner.com>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Baggage door
>> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:19:02 -0500
>>
>> John,
>> You've received at least a dozen replies now. If it's that bad then
>> make a new door.
>>
>> It's that simple... move on :^).
>>
>> Yes...I'm hitting the delete key.
>>
>> Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
>> do NOT archive
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Gonzalez
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:33 AM
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Baggage door
>>
>>
>> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>
>> Thanks for the suggestions.
>>
>> The problem I am having understanding the use of the seemer is that the
>> entire door skin is flat, any shape that the skin takes should be a by
>> product of the frame's shape which the skin is tied to. I really
>> don't want
>> to touch the skin and bend it at the edges because it will be very
>> obvious
>> where the break from straightness/flatness occurs. It seems that the
>> slight
>> bow in the top part of the frame is what needs to be slightly removed,
>> perhaps with bend between two hands(Easy does it).
>>
>> I am trying to digest what you are saying, hoping what I am saying
>> is making
>> sense aswell.
>>
>> JOhn G.
>>
>> >From: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Baggage door
>> >Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:30:07 -0500 (EST)
>> >
>> >
>> >Really give the hand seamer some thought. I had another builder ask
>> me how
>> >I made mine fit so well. It was all minor work with a hands seamer.
>> Take
>> >your time and don't bend the edges but use the tool to slightly
>> "bow" them,
>> >don't close the jaws tightly on the skin but leave them open a bit
>> so the
>> >skin can sort of roll and move as you work it, but just do a little
>> at a
>> >time. Tape on the jaws help to keep the skin from slipping off.
>> >
>> >Rick S.
>> >40185
>> >
>> >do not archive
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Playstation 3 |
OH MY GOD!!!!!
Ummm....I'd like one and I don't have any kids.
No time to play with the airplane and all....darn hobbys.
Rick S.
40185
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage door |
Hey Rick....
Holidays got you stressing!!!!
Hit delete and move on dude.
It is a very visible part of the aircraft and if we can help John get it lined
up then so be it...
POST AWAY...not like that crap about Lycoming vs. Eggenfellner, this is RV-10 structure!
We don't need attitude that comes from the back of your Buffalo's
With a smile, of course...lighten up.
Rick S.
40185
do not archive
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| Subject: | RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)RV-10 vs. Turkey |
Vulture (the RV won)RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
Hey Scott,
Instead of poking fun at us smooth operators or MT guys ;)....Do you find your
exhaust ceramic coating to be something worthwhile to do? Kudos on your toy delivery
run, what a great way to justify burning a few gallons and helping others!!
Rick S.
40185
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Ceramic exhaust coating |
Sooooooo, Are you going that way Deems?, I think just for looks the exhaust would
look good in the Sterling or Jet black colors....I've been looking at Jetglo
company.
Rick S.
40185
do not archive
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You gotta be easy on him, he has been breathing cabin top dust for
several weeks now, and the resin fumes are getting to him!
Dan
N289DT RV10 E
PS Lyco or E-Sub's are not crap.... At least not cheap crap that is
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Baggage door
Hey Rick....
Holidays got you stressing!!!!
Hit delete and move on dude.
It is a very visible part of the aircraft and if we can help John get it
lined up then so be it...
POST AWAY...not like that crap about Lycoming vs. Eggenfellner, this is
RV-10 structure!
We don't need attitude that comes from the back of your Buffalo's
With a smile, of course...lighten up.
Rick S.
40185
do not archive
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| Subject: | RV 10 sun visors |
I searched the archives, but there wasn't anything there.
Have any of the other fliers come up with a good sunvisor for the front
seats? I love the visibility, but the sun is really a killer, and I haven't found
anything out there that readily adapts to our bird, either fastening into the
fibergalss shell or attaching to the center post.
Anyone found a good solution yet?
grumpy
#40404, 42 hrs and going strong
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| Subject: | Ceramic exhaust coating |
The color selected should be conducive to locating future cracks. Black
- though clearly neat looking, might just mask early detection. No
reference that they will ever develop, just a perspective. Hit the
"delete" key and have a great Christmas.
With the addition of a turbo, there is a risk to ceramic coatings
flaking off and eating impellers. The subject of coating flakes has not
been addressed in detail on this list. It has been extensive on the
Lancair site.
I personally love the color selection on Scott's (silver) N104XP but
believe it is externally coated only. The use of coatings, then delays
temperature transfer which leads to 'potential' EGT sensor increase and
certainly would explain increased temps at the discharge point (which
then can affect transfer through the legendary skin and ultimately to
your feet). One of the major benefits is significantly reduced temps in
the lower (low pressure) cowl. A side benefit is less convective
transfer through the firewall. Increased scavenging of combustion heat
at the cylinder fins as a result of lower cowl temp reduction, ....
"This is a good thing". Longer life means money in your pocket.
Thermal cycling has far more of a negative impact than dueling over
coatings towards the safety issue of cracks. Scott has some great
'covered' foam induction plugs to stave off cold Utah winds after
shutdown but we haven't gone there either. Some cracks propagate at the
attachment points from vibration, other are thermally induced. Know
where to look... Fly Safe, Fly Often. Fly with CO monitoring.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20061120/index.html
John Cox
the Turbanator #40600
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ceramic exhaust coating
Sooooooo, Are you going that way Deems?, I think just for looks the
exhaust would look good in the Sterling or Jet black colors....I've been
looking at Jetglo company.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Ceramic exhaust coating |
Check the archives, this has been discussed a couple times. Another advantage
in keeping the heat in the exhaust is that it helps to keep the exhaust velocity
up which aides in scavenging. I'm still planning on doing it.
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ceramic exhaust coating
Plus: lower temperature inside of cowl from exhaust radiation. Better
for fiberglass cowls.
Minus: Harder to pull heat off for heat muff,
Debatable:
Life of the exhaust system, I've had reports of it both shortening and
lengthening the life of the exhaust.
If you coat the inside of the exhaust (as well as the outside), one
member from my EAA chapter reported that his EGT temps rose aprox 100
Degrees.
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Rick wrote:
>
>Anybody want to chime in on the plus and minus of having the exhaust coated?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ceramic exhaust coating |
I've ordered a tuned exhaust system from John Forsling, and he ceramic
coats both the inside and the outside, The color is the same as the one
on the lancair in this picture :
http://deemsrv10.com/album/OSHKOSH%202006/slides/DSC03071.html . The
picture isn't really that good relative to the color, and I don't recall
the name, but it's kinds a cross between a pewter and a light charcoal.
they should be here in a couple of weeks and I'll take and post more
pictures.
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Rick wrote:
>
>Sooooooo, Are you going that way Deems?, I think just for looks the exhaust would
look good in the Sterling or Jet black colors....I've been looking at Jetglo
company.
>
>Rick S.
>40185
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| Subject: | RV 10 sun visors |
I ordered a Rosen visor but haven't installed it yet. I will let everybody
know how it goes. I think I have a place to mount it and I also setup an
account with Rosen so we should all get "FBO" pricing if we want.if it
works, of course.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GenGrumpy@aol.com
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:41 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV 10 sun visors
I searched the archives, but there wasn't anything there.
Have any of the other fliers come up with a good sunvisor for the front
seats? I love the visibility, but the sun is really a killer, and I haven't
found anything out there that readily adapts to our bird, either fastening
into the fibergalss shell or attaching to the center post.
Anyone found a good solution yet?
grumpy
#40404, 42 hrs and going strong
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| Subject: | RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)RV-10 vs. Turkey |
Vulture (the RV won)RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
Just joking on the MT based off previous posts and the same discussion
happening over at Vans Airforce. I really wish I had the smoothness of
the MT. I know a few have said 2360 is the smooth RPM but for me 2400 is
the sweet spot. I need to get my prop balanced.
It is hard to say whether the ceramic coating has been worth it. I
would probably do it again since it was only around $250. I checked my
EGT's against another RV-10 that I was flying with on Wednesday and we
were almost identical so it doesn't seem to change that. I guess I
would have to put a thermocouple in the cowl of a ceramic coated exhaust
and one without to see if there is a difference. It looks great when it
is first done but loses its shine over time. I've also heard that it is
more difficult to weld if you crack the exhaust. But I thought, hey if
it is good enough for Dago Red, it is good enough for an RV-10.
The toy run was a blast. I took a good friend with me who has a
daughter-in-law that is Navajo. He couldn't believe how much fun it was.
He said it was the most fun he had ever had in his life. I'm sure it
was part due to the enjoyment of flying and the visibility of the RV-10
while flying over Southern Utah on a perfect day, but mostly the
satisfaction we all get when we help others and make another life a
little bit better. What a great combination of activities to give you a
buzz.
Hope you all have a great Chritmas, and to all you still building, get
flying and we will start a National RV Toy Deliver Day every Christmas.
Scott Schmidt
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 7:54 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)RV-10 vs.
Turkey Vulture (the RV won)RV-10 vs. Turkey Vulture (the RV won)
Hey Scott,
Instead of poking fun at us smooth operators or MT guys ;)....Do you
find your exhaust ceramic coating to be something worthwhile to do?
Kudos on your toy delivery run, what a great way to justify burning a
few gallons and helping others!!
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Ceramic exhaust coating |
Your right John, it was only externally coated on my exhaust.
Scott Schmidt
sschmidt@ussynthetic.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 8:44 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ceramic exhaust coating
The color selected should be conducive to locating future cracks. Black
- though clearly neat looking, might just mask early detection. No
reference that they will ever develop, just a perspective. Hit the
"delete" key and have a great Christmas.
With the addition of a turbo, there is a risk to ceramic coatings
flaking off and eating impellers. The subject of coating flakes has not
been addressed in detail on this list. It has been extensive on the
Lancair site.
I personally love the color selection on Scott's (silver) N104XP but
believe it is externally coated only. The use of coatings, then delays
temperature transfer which leads to 'potential' EGT sensor increase and
certainly would explain increased temps at the discharge point (which
then can affect transfer through the legendary skin and ultimately to
your feet). One of the major benefits is significantly reduced temps in
the lower (low pressure) cowl. A side benefit is less convective
transfer through the firewall. Increased scavenging of combustion heat
at the cylinder fins as a result of lower cowl temp reduction, ....
"This is a good thing". Longer life means money in your pocket.
Thermal cycling has far more of a negative impact than dueling over
coatings towards the safety issue of cracks. Scott has some great
'covered' foam induction plugs to stave off cold Utah winds after
shutdown but we haven't gone there either. Some cracks propagate at the
attachment points from vibration, other are thermally induced. Know
where to look... Fly Safe, Fly Often. Fly with CO monitoring.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20061120/index.html
John Cox
the Turbanator #40600
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ceramic exhaust coating
Sooooooo, Are you going that way Deems?, I think just for looks the
exhaust would look good in the Sterling or Jet black colors....I've been
looking at Jetglo company.
Rick S.
40185
do not archive
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| Subject: | trim tab problem. |
Yeah, I've noticed your number. You may pass me up at some point, I got
my emp kit a year ago and just finished the tail cone.
The problem I had with my trim tab is that I drilled the hinge holes
wrong and caused a curve or hook in the hinge. This caused the hinge to
bind and the tab to twist. The hinge is very flimsy before it is
mounted and can flex easily. My left tab has the same problem but ever
so slight I don't think I will rebuild it at this point. And if I do, I
will only need to replace the hinge.
At first I didn't realize the real problem. I drilled out the hinge
rivets on the tab and thought I could just clamp the tab flat, re-align
the hinge and re-rivet. While re-riveting, I bent the hinge slightly
with the squeezer and then trying to remove the bend I put an ugly dent
in the top of the tab skin. I then discovered the real problem of
drilling the holes wrong on the elevator side, which transferred the
curve to the tab side. I could have just replaced the hinge, but I
could not accept that dent. So, after an hour of frustrated thought on
how to save the part, I succumbed and ordered new parts to rebuild the
whole tab. My son asked if he could have the the old tab and hung it in
his room. He thinks it's cool. I guess that's the priceless stuff.
The way to line up those hinges is to draw a rivet line on the hinge,
then put that line in the center of the rivet holes and drill. Don't
rely on the straightness of the hinge as I did, it flexes as you drill.
Keep that rivet line centered in the holes and cleco as you go. The old
learning curve again, seems so simple now!
Dave Leikam
40496
emp assembly
----- Original Message -----
From: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
To: DAVELEIKAM@wi.rr.com
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go??
In a message dated 12/22/06 5:06:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
DAVELEIKAM@wi.rr.com writes:
I ordered parts for a new right
trim tab on 12/20.
Tell me more... i am ready to bend the end tabs on both trim tabs
tomorrow.... how did you loose the right one? Thanks for sharing...
i sent this direct to you , off list. We are almost RV-10 brothers...
my kit is #40499... you are a few kits ahead of me.....
Stephen Blank RV-10 Builder #40499 / C-170B flyer
766 SE River Lane
Port St. Lucie, FL 34983
772-475-5556 cell
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