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1. 03:55 AM - Re: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? (Mike Kraus)
2. 05:43 AM - Re: RV 10 sun visors (Marcus Cooper)
3. 05:55 AM - Re: Rolling the leading edges of the elevator (Wayne Edgerton)
4. 06:11 AM - Re: Mechanicsville MD. builder (CHRISTOPHER HARRIS)
5. 06:39 AM - Firewall Penetrations - Additional? (Deems Davis)
6. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: Mechanicsville MD. builder (Tim Olson)
7. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: Mechanicsville MD. builder (DejaVu)
8. 06:54 AM - Re: Firewall Penetrations - Additional? (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
9. 06:57 AM - Re: Firewall Penetrations - Additional? (DejaVu)
10. 09:53 AM - Rudder wiring (Les Kearney)
11. 10:12 AM - Re: Re: Mechanicsville MD. builder (CHRISTOPHER HARRIS)
12. 11:48 AM - Re: Rudder wiring (Rick Gray)
13. 12:02 PM - Re: Baggage door (Rick Gray)
14. 12:10 PM - Re: Rudder wiring (Rick Gray)
15. 12:12 PM - Re: Rudder wiring (LES KEARNEY)
16. 01:19 PM - Happy Holidays To All (Sean Stephens)
17. 01:30 PM - Re: Firewall Penetrations - Additional? (Larry Rosen)
18. 02:01 PM - Re: Baggage door (Rick)
19. 04:49 PM - Re: Baggage door (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
20. 05:59 PM - Elevator rigging (John Hasbrouck)
21. 07:29 PM - Re: Firewall Penetrations - Additional? (John Testement)
22. 07:31 PM - Re: Elevator rigging (Rick)
23. 07:38 PM - Re: Baggage door (Rick)
24. 07:42 PM - FW: [LML] D2 Update (John W. Cox)
25. 08:10 PM - Re: FW: [LML] D2 Update (Chris Johnston)
26. 08:48 PM - Re: Elevator rigging (John Hasbrouck)
27. 08:48 PM - Re: FW: [LML] D2 Update (Tim Olson)
28. 10:12 PM - Oxygen exterior fill port (L Aune)
29. 11:18 PM - Re: FW: [LML] D2 Update (Steven DiNieri)
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| Subject: | Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? |
Plan and expect for 5 working days to get an order out the door, then
regular shipping time to your destination and it will be about right.
If you have a small order and do USPS Priority Mail, typically you will
be put closer to the top of the list.
Because of this, I typically order everything I can from Spruce... Order
Monday, receive it Wednesday regular UPS....
-Mike
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:00 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go??
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The last couple of times I have orderred parts through Van's I have been
dissappointed in how long it took to get my stuff.
Last Friday I orderred some accessories over the phone, just three or
four
and asked for standard UPS ground delivery.
The following Monday morning, two and a half days later, I called to add
a
few small items, rivets and nuts. I was told that there was no way to
include these items in my previous order so that shipping could be all
together, no interest what so ever in even checking the status of my
Friday
order.
Today I got a UPS confirmation that UPS received a package for shipment
to
me from Van's. For one week the order is sitting in Van's being filled
before it even gets in the mail. So much for getting anything done on
what
I need to get done during this holiday weekend.
Very frustrating and not the first time.
I know that Aircraft, Spruce and Specialty has a west coast location,
but i
order through them anytime before 3pm and the next day it is sitting in
my
office. EVERYTIME!
Just venting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I always try to not order the small stuff through Van's for this very
reason. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
John G.
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| Subject: | RV 10 sun visors |
I ended up getting 3 of the 5x7 green slap-on visors from Sportys. They
work pretty well, although I'd go for the 8x10s if I were to do it over
again. Cheap and simple.
Marcus
40286
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 1:20 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV 10 sun visors
I ordered a Rosen visor but haven't installed it yet. I will let everybody
know how it goes. I think I have a place to mount it and I also setup an
account with Rosen so we should all get "FBO" pricing if we want.if it
works, of course.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GenGrumpy@aol.com
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:41 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV 10 sun visors
I searched the archives, but there wasn't anything there.
Have any of the other fliers come up with a good sunvisor for the front
seats? I love the visibility, but the sun is really a killer, and I haven't
found anything out there that readily adapts to our bird, either fastening
into the fibergalss shell or attaching to the center post.
Anyone found a good solution yet?
grumpy
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| Subject: | Re: Rolling the leading edges of the elevator |
I'm going to have to take more classes in Arabic I think. What the heck
was this? Damn they've taken over Matronics :>}
Wayne Edgerton #40336
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Time: 12:53:21 PM PST US
From: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rolling the leading edges of the elevator & rudder
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| Subject: | Re: Mechanicsville MD. builder |
Hi, my name is Chris Harris. I'm an A&P, student pilot, and RV-10 wannabee freak.
During one of RV-10 internet wanderings I found a possible builder in Mechanicsville,
MD. I was interested in contacting them to volunteer help and to check
out the project, as I live about 25 mins from Mechanicsville.. If anyone knows
of a way to do this, info would be appreciated. Thanks, I can be reached
at cbpip@verizon.net
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| Subject: | Firewall Penetrations - Additional? |
Prior to hanging my engine I would like to ensure I've planned/accounted
for all of the holes that need to be made/placed in the firewall. So for
those of you who have already crossed this bridge......
1. What ADDITIONAL holes did you provide beyond those already called out
for in the plans?
2. What advice/suggestions do you have for the placement/location of
those holes?
3. Did you fireprotect those additional holes? How?
(I'm installing a full engine monitoring system and know I need to
provide thru holes for CHT/EGT)
THANKS for any help
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Mechanicsville MD. builder |
That's Anh Vu. I'll contact you off-line. I'm sure he wouldn't
mind a visitor. He's a great guy.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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CHRISTOPHER HARRIS wrote:
> Hi, my name is Chris Harris. I'm an A&P, student pilot, and RV-10
> wannabee freak. During one of RV-10 internet wanderings I found a
> possible builder in Mechanicsville, MD. I was interested in contacting
> them to volunteer help and to check out the project, as I live about 25
> mins from Mechanicsville.. If anyone knows of a way to do this, info
> would be appreciated. Thanks, I can be reached at cbpip@verizon.net
> <mailto:cbpip@verizon.net>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mechanicsville MD. builder |
Chris,
That would be me. Check your email offline.
Anh
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----- Original Message -----
From: CHRISTOPHER HARRIS
To: RV-10 E-mail
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 9:10 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Mechanicsville MD. builder
Hi, my name is Chris Harris. I'm an A&P, student pilot, and RV-10 wannabe
e freak. During one of RV-10 internet wanderings I found a possible builder
in Mechanicsville, MD. I was interested in contacting them to volunteer he
lp and to check out the project, as I live about 25 mins from Mechanicsvill
e.. If anyone knows of a way to do this, info would be appreciated. Thanks,
I can be reached at cbpip@verizon.net
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Penetrations - Additional? |
Deems,
Think you have to do this one yourself based on what you are putting in your
bird. I'd sit down with a clean sheet of paper and start listing everything
that will have to break the firewall.
Some things you can run thru same hole (like the engine monitor wires, fuel
flow, fuel pressure, oil pressure, etc).
Then there are others like the battery cables, cables for throttle, etc.
After all was said and done, I ended up having to drill yet another one for
the cable I installed to fix the tunnel heat problem......
I'd start that list, then sit on it for a while while you think through all
of your connections.
grumpy
40404
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In a message dated 12/23/2006 8:48:09 AM Central Standard Time,
deemsdavis@cox.net writes:
Prior to hanging my engine I would like to ensure I've planned/accounted
for all of the holes that need to be made/placed in the firewall. So for
those of you who have already crossed this bridge......
1. What ADDITIONAL holes did you provide beyond those already called out
for in the plans?
2. What advice/suggestions do you have for the placement/location of
those holes?
3. Did you fireprotect those additional holes? How?
(I'm installing a full engine monitoring system and know I need to
provide thru holes for CHT/EGT)
THANKS for any help
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Penetrations - Additional? |
Deems,
I have two extra holes for all wiring using fire-proof 36-pin (I think)
plugs installed near the hole for the MAP hose. I can't recommend to buy
the plugs where I bought mine with good conscience but I'm sure they are
available elsewhere.
Anh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 9:37 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Firewall Penetrations - Additional?
>
>
>
> Prior to hanging my engine I would like to ensure I've planned/accounted
> for all of the holes that need to be made/placed in the firewall. So for
> those of you who have already crossed this bridge......
>
> 1. What ADDITIONAL holes did you provide beyond those already called out
> for in the plans?
> 2. What advice/suggestions do you have for the placement/location of those
> holes?
> 3. Did you fireprotect those additional holes? How?
>
> (I'm installing a full engine monitoring system and know I need to provide
> thru holes for CHT/EGT)
>
>
> THANKS for any help
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
>
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Hi
I have been wandering through the archives for info on rudder wiring. I
believe that the preferred exit for trim servo wiring as well as other
wiring is at the base of the rudder. For me wiring is a dark art at the
moment and I am a bit concerned about building myself into a corner. In
particular, my access to the rudder interior will be somewhat limited if I
roll and rivet the rudder leading edges.
My question is: how are wires secured in the interior of the rudder so that
they do not chaff against the rudder stiffeners? Should I wait until wiring
is done to complete the rudder?
Inquiring minds need to know
Les Kearney
#40643 - Lost in the empennage
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| Subject: | Re: Mechanicsville MD. builder |
Tim, Thanks a bunch for responding. I actually use your site as a starting point
for most of my RV-10 daydreaming. Also, my wife and I met your wife at Sun&Fun
this year, as I was drooling all over your plane. Great looking RV and a wealth
of info on your site.
Thanks again,
Chris
Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
That's Anh Vu. I'll contact you off-line. I'm sure he wouldn't
mind a visitor. He's a great guy.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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CHRISTOPHER HARRIS wrote:
> Hi, my name is Chris Harris. I'm an A&P, student pilot, and RV-10
> wannabee freak. During one of RV-10 internet wanderings I found a
> possible builder in Mechanicsville, MD. I was interested in contacting
> them to volunteer help and to check out the project, as I live about 25
> mins from Mechanicsville.. If anyone knows of a way to do this, info
> would be appreciated. Thanks, I can be reached at cbpip@verizon.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder wiring |
Hi Les,
1-The servo wiring will terminate at the servo in the forward section of
the tailcone.
2-The trim motor wiring will terminate at the trim motor just below the
forward emp fairing.
3-As for the rudder....depending on your lighting....you'll end up with
wires for the strobe and nav light passing through the lower section of
the vertical stab spar. Easiest way (imo) is to drill just below the
bottom rudder hinge bracket. You may need to place a grommet in from
each end of the spar for protection. Also, you may want to drill just
off to the side as to not penetrate the tail tie down reinforcement.
This will line your wires up just below the lower rod end bearing,
allowing you to pass the wires through the lower fairing. For
clarity....the wires will pass through the leading edge of the rudder in
the opening just above the fiberglass fairing. I've done 5 or 6 these
now and I always use a good connector in this area. Leave your harness
long enough so that you can pull the tail light out and disconnect the
wires for a) tail light replacement and b) rudder removal. The harness
and connector will be stowed inside the lower fairing...savvy??
Also, the wire for the lights can terminate at the bolt (use a ring
terminal) at the lower rod end bearing attach.....rudder side of the
spar.
Hope this helps....Good Luck Les,
Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Kearney
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Rudder wiring
Hi
I have been wandering through the archives for info on rudder wiring.
I believe that the preferred exit for trim servo wiring as well as other
wiring is at the base of the rudder. For me wiring is a dark art at the
moment and I am a bit concerned about building myself into a corner. In
particular, my access to the rudder interior will be somewhat limited if
I roll and rivet the rudder leading edges.
My question is: how are wires secured in the interior of the rudder so
that they do not chaff against the rudder stiffeners? Should I wait
until wiring is done to complete the rudder?
Inquiring minds need to know
Les Kearney
#40643 - Lost in the empennage
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage door |
No Sir...Holidays are my FAVORITE time of year :^)!!
You might want to reread my reply....I 'thought' I was helping and even
included a little smiley to make sure my post wasn't taken out of
context......my sincere apology if it was.
Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Baggage door
Hey Rick....
Holidays got you stressing!!!!
Hit delete and move on dude.
It is a very visible part of the aircraft and if we can help John get
it lined up then so be it...
POST AWAY...not like that crap about Lycoming vs. Eggenfellner, this
is RV-10 structure!
We don't need attitude that comes from the back of your Buffalo's
With a smile, of course...lighten up.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder wiring |
Hey Les....the bottom part of my post should read 'ground wire' can
terminate at the bolt at the lower rod end bearing attach. Sorry for any
confusion :^).
Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Gray
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rudder wiring
Hi Les,
1-The servo wiring will terminate at the servo in the forward section
of the tailcone.
2-The trim motor wiring will terminate at the trim motor just below
the forward emp fairing.
3-As for the rudder....depending on your lighting....you'll end up
with wires for the strobe and nav light passing through the lower
section of the vertical stab spar. Easiest way (imo) is to drill just
below the bottom rudder hinge bracket. You may need to place a grommet
in from each end of the spar for protection. Also, you may want to drill
just off to the side as to not penetrate the tail tie down
reinforcement. This will line your wires up just below the lower rod end
bearing, allowing you to pass the wires through the lower fairing. For
clarity....the wires will pass through the leading edge of the rudder in
the opening just above the fiberglass fairing. I've done 5 or 6 these
now and I always use a good connector in this area. Leave your harness
long enough so that you can pull the tail light out and disconnect the
wires for a) tail light replacement and b) rudder removal. The harness
and connector will be stowed inside the lower fairing...savvy??
Also, the wire for the lights can terminate at the bolt (use a ring
terminal) at the lower rod end bearing attach.....rudder side of the
spar.
Hope this helps....Good Luck Les,
Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Kearney
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Rudder wiring
Hi
I have been wandering through the archives for info on rudder
wiring. I believe that the preferred exit for trim servo wiring as well
as other wiring is at the base of the rudder. For me wiring is a dark
art at the moment and I am a bit concerned about building myself into a
corner. In particular, my access to the rudder interior will be somewhat
limited if I roll and rivet the rudder leading edges.
My question is: how are wires secured in the interior of the rudder
so that they do not chaff against the rudder stiffeners? Should I wait
until wiring is done to complete the rudder?
Inquiring minds need to know
Les Kearney
#40643 - Lost in the empennage
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder wiring |
Hi Rick
I understand what you have posted - many thanks. Is there a chaffing issue for
the wires that run the length of the rudder interior? I would be concerned about
chaffing against the rudder stringers or is this a misplaced concern?
Inquiring minds need to know
Les Kearney
RV10 #40643 - Lost in the empennage
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Gray <rickgray@roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rudder wiring
> Hi Les,
> 1-The servo wiring will terminate at the servo in the forward
> section of the tailcone.
>
> 2-The trim motor wiring will terminate at the trim motor just
> below the forward emp fairing.
>
> 3-As for the rudder....depending on your lighting....you'll end up
> with wires for the strobe and nav light passing through the lower
> section of the vertical stab spar. Easiest way (imo) is to drill
> just below the bottom rudder hinge bracket. You may need to place
> a grommet in from each end of the spar for protection. Also, you
> may want to drill just off to the side as to not penetrate the
> tail tie down reinforcement. This will line your wires up just
> below the lower rod end bearing, allowing you to pass the wires
> through the lower fairing. For clarity....the wires will pass
> through the leading edge of the rudder in the opening just above
> the fiberglass fairing. I've done 5 or 6 these now and I always
> use a good connector in this area. Leave your harness long enough
> so that you can pull the tail light out and disconnect the wires
> for a) tail light replacement and b) rudder removal. The harness
> and connector will be stowed inside the lower fairing...savvy??
>
> Also, the wire for the lights can terminate at the bolt (use a
> ring terminal) at the lower rod end bearing attach.....rudder side
> of the spar.
>
> Hope this helps....Good Luck Les,
>
> Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
> http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Les Kearney
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 12:51 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Rudder wiring
>
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> I have been wandering through the archives for info on rudder
> wiring. I believe that the preferred exit for trim servo wiring as
> well as other wiring is at the base of the rudder. For me wiring
> is a dark art at the moment and I am a bit concerned about
> building myself into a corner. In particular, my access to the
> rudder interior will be somewhat limited if I roll and rivet the
> rudder leading edges.
>
>
>
> My question is: how are wires secured in the interior of the
> rudder so that they do not chaff against the rudder stiffeners?
> Should I wait until wiring is done to complete the rudder?
>
>
>
> Inquiring minds need to know
>
>
>
> Les Kearney
>
> #40643 - Lost in the empennage
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Happy Holidays To All |
Here's wishing all the current and future RV-10 builders a happy
holiday.
May each of you not have to spend the last six months with your kit
in storage as I have. :)
-Sean #40303 (Waiting for new house to be built)
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Penetrations - Additional? |
Below is a list of what I think is going to go through my firewall. The
list is probably incomplete and with some questions so any guidance from
the list would be helpful.
Engine sensors will all go through a 1" stainless steel firewall
penetration from EPM.AV corp <http://www.epm-avcorp.com/tubeseal.html>.
Most seem to be putting this penetration in the upper right corner (like
Tim). I would like to mount it just to the right of center. Any
concerns with this location?
The wires through this penetration would be
EGT
CHT
oil pressure
oil temp
fuel pressure
rpm
manifiol pressure
Electrical power
Main power feed Super 2 CCA fatwire
<http://www.periheliondesign.com/fatwires.htm> will go through the
firewall per vans location mid left
Starter contactor per vans location
Current limiter and loadmeter shunt located on oil cooler housing
electric to the main bus and e bus penetration near the starter contactor
Magneto wires, not sure where they will penetrate. Not sure what can be
combined with these wires. Any guidance?
Cable penetrations through Stainless Steel eye balls.
Prop
Throttle
mixture
Fuel purge valve (airflow performance FM-200 fuel injection)
Alternate air - How does the alternate air actuate? Is it included with
the FWF kit?
4 penetrations can be arranged where vans has the bushings located in a
diamond shaped arrangement. Scott has some photos on his site. Not
sure where I would locate the 5th if there is even a 5th.
Anything missing?
Larry Rosen
#356
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> Prior to hanging my engine I would like to ensure I've
> planned/accounted for all of the holes that need to be made/placed in
> the firewall. So for those of you who have already crossed this
> bridge......
>
> 1. What ADDITIONAL holes did you provide beyond those already called
> out for in the plans?
> 2. What advice/suggestions do you have for the placement/location of
> those holes?
> 3. Did you fireprotect those additional holes? How?
>
> (I'm installing a full engine monitoring system and know I need to
> provide thru holes for CHT/EGT)
>
>
> THANKS for any help
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
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Lol....yeah I get it.
The engine remark was aimed at the actual debate between the two products, not
the product, which I have shelled out my $43K for as well. Just a hint...it doesn't
have a PSRU so...... :O
I totally understand the intent of the post, and didn't plan to become some sort
of puesdo moderator. I know how frustrating trying to get something just right
and when there are 20 options the more chance there is of finding one that
works for you.
Happy celebrations to all regardless of your religious preferences....it's a birthday
celebration for our house!!
Rick S.
40185
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Oh nooo here it goes again! $43k vs $29K? What do you get for the extra
money? "GRIN" That should fan the spark.
Playing PS3 in buildus interruptus, but it is 82 degrees outside!
Dan
N289DT RV10E
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Baggage door
Lol....yeah I get it.
The engine remark was aimed at the actual debate between the two
products, not the product, which I have shelled out my $43K for as well.
Just a hint...it doesn't have a PSRU so...... :O
I totally understand the intent of the post, and didn't plan to become
some sort of puesdo moderator. I know how frustrating trying to get
something just right and when there are 20 options the more chance there
is of finding one that works for you.
Happy celebrations to all regardless of your religious
preferences....it's a birthday celebration for our house!!
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Elevator rigging |
I have a question re: rigging of the elevators. I've used the neutral
position jigs for the elevator bellcrank and the control sticks to set
the pushtube lengths and come up with a situation where the control
stick interconnect ( F1065 ) contacts the underlying structure before
the elevator is at its full up travel. So I've adjusted the pushtubes
to give full up elevator before any contact of the stick interconect.
This leaves the elevator bellcrank at a different neutral angle than the
jig but I can't see why it would matter. Unless, that is, if it
interferes with the pitch servo of the TruTrak AP. No interference in
the system now with full up or down elevator deflection. What say you
all? On another topic, seems that my baggage door came out the same as
everyone else. Top edge of it stood proud a bit but some massaging with
my fingers and seamers it looks pretty good now. Thanks to everyone who
contributes their help to this list. You've made my build experience go
very smoothly. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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| Subject: | Firewall Penetrations - Additional? |
To add to this question - For those who have completed the engine wiring,
would you recommend having all of the engine monitor wiring go through one
hole (if so where is the best location?) or have a left side and a right
side penetration?
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
FWF, wiring, engine
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Firewall Penetrations - Additional?
Below is a list of what I think is going to go through my firewall. The
list is probably incomplete and with some questions so any guidance from the
list would be helpful.
Engine sensors will all go through a 1" stainless steel firewall
penetration from EPM.AV corp <http://www.epm-avcorp.com/tubeseal.html>.
Most seem to be putting this penetration in the upper right corner (like
Tim). I would like to mount it just to the right of center. Any concerns
with this location?
The wires through this penetration would be EGT CHT oil pressure oil temp
fuel pressure rpm manifiol pressure
Electrical power
Main power feed Super 2 CCA fatwire
<http://www.periheliondesign.com/fatwires.htm> will go through the firewall
per vans location mid left Starter contactor per vans location Current
limiter and loadmeter shunt located on oil cooler housing electric to the
main bus and e bus penetration near the starter contactor Magneto wires, not
sure where they will penetrate. Not sure what can be combined with these
wires. Any guidance?
Cable penetrations through Stainless Steel eye balls.
Prop
Throttle
mixture
Fuel purge valve (airflow performance FM-200 fuel injection) Alternate air -
How does the alternate air actuate? Is it included with the FWF kit?
4 penetrations can be arranged where vans has the bushings located in a
diamond shaped arrangement. Scott has some photos on his site. Not sure
where I would locate the 5th if there is even a 5th.
Anything missing?
Larry Rosen
#356
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> Prior to hanging my engine I would like to ensure I've
> planned/accounted for all of the holes that need to be made/placed in
> the firewall. So for those of you who have already crossed this
> bridge......
>
> 1. What ADDITIONAL holes did you provide beyond those already called
> out for in the plans?
> 2. What advice/suggestions do you have for the placement/location of
> those holes?
> 3. Did you fireprotect those additional holes? How?
>
> (I'm installing a full engine monitoring system and know I need to
> provide thru holes for CHT/EGT)
>
>
> THANKS for any help
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator rigging |
John,
I don't think you have an issue as long as you get full travel without interference
while using the stick. Once you engage the aouto pilot the servo knows it's
hold position is and will move the controls, a very minimal amount to maintain
either altitude or if your lucky, a rate of climb or decent based on the input
from the AP head. I doubt you will ever ask the AP servo to try and move
the control surfaces from stop to stop...but as CJ says...I don't know nuthin!!!
:)
Rick S.
40185
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Chrome valve covers and nice paint :)
lol...82????? it's not even 82 in Vegas right now!!!
Barrett's is my engine builder, and that means nothing against anyone else...they
spent the time talking to me at OSH, explained everything, have a great reputation
and Rhonda and the gang monitor the list. Monty Barrett's reputation and
knowledge was enough for me along with all the good things all their customers
had to say..and I did check..
Ric kS.
40185
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| Subject: | FW: [LML] D2 Update |
Here is a valued post from someone I respect. For a few RV-10 builders,
this may cause some trepidation. As many of you know, I have been a
strong supporter of Chelton products. This is going to be a better year
in 2007. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
Don't shoot the messenger.
John Cox
the Turbanator #40600
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archival value!
________________________________
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of
Brent Regan
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 2:12 PM
Subject: [LML] D2 Update
I have reviewed the situation with Kirk (D2) and Gordon (CFS). Here is
what I have learned.
It is true that D2 has closed its doors. CFS has picked up new orders
with Lancair, Epic and D2's other dealers.
CFS has an agreement with Pinpoint Inertial to distribute their ADAHRS
/ GADAHRS.
CFS is NOT responsible for commitments made by any of their dealers.
CFS's official information release is copied below.
CFS is committed to supporting their products.
So what happened? In my opinion the tipping point came with the X-bow
42X problem. D2 could have told their customers that the 425 problems
were a X-bow warranty issue but instead they took the high road and
offered to replace the 425s with Pinpoints. One could imagine that this
put a tremendous strain on cash flow. Kirk thought it was a risk worth
taking but did not foresee two additional events. One was X-bow getting
into the EFIS market (Advanced). This begs the question: If X-bow can
make an ADAHRS for their own EFIS, why didn't they fix the 42Xs???
Second was Garmin's entry into the experimental market. This one is a
real mystery. As Hamid pointed out to me, why would Garmin's least
profitable division (avionics) enter the least profitable sector of that
market (experimental)? I am unaware of any other certified aviation
company that has made this retrograde market expansion. It is like
being married to Cindy Crawford and then having an affair with Janet
Reno. If I were a Garmin experimental customer I would be nervous that
Garmin will wake up and gnaw their arm off to get out of the market as
fast as possible. Remember the Starship?
In the end it was D2's commitment to it's customers that was their
undoing. D2's failure is a loss for everyone but their competitors.
Ironically, D2's failure is also bad news for X-bow as all the customers
that are holding 425's will be looking to X-bow to make them well.
The good news is that it seems all the products that were distributed by
D2 will still be available to builders through other distributors.
I would also point out that the above is hearsay or the opinion of a
confessed idiot and should not be taken seriously.
The authorized information is copied below.
Wishing you and yours the Merriest Christmas possible and a safe New
Year with blue skies and cheap fuel.
Regards
Brent Regan
CHELTON FLIGHT SYSTEMS
AUTHORIZED INFORMATION RELEASE REGARDING
Direct 2 Avionics
<> </>
December 22, 2006
NOTE: THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT IS THE ONLY EXPLANATION THAT CHELTON HAS
AUTHORIZED RELATING TO DIRECT 2 AVIONICS SITUATION BY ANY EMPLOYEE OF
CHELTON. THIS EXPLANATION IS THE ONLY EXPLANATION YOU ARE AUTHORIZED TO
PROVIDE ABOUT DIRECT 2 AVIONICS, ITS OWNERS OR EMPLOYEES, AND BUSINESS
RELATIONSHIP WITH CHELTON. ANY OTHER STATEMENT, SPECULATION, GOSSIP OR
RUMOR REGARDING DIRECT 2 AVONICS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
<></>
STATEMENT:
To Whom It May Concern:
By now you have probably heard that DIRECT 2 AVIONICS
("D2A") had to close its business. Like you, we at Chelton Flight
Systems were disappointed and concerned that D2A felt it had to take
this action.
D2A was an authorized, independently-owned distributor for Chelton.
Chelton has no ownership or other relationship with D2A. Chelton has
received various inquiries from persons who have alleged that they were
told by D2A that parts for which they claimed to have paid D2A were
"back ordered." Chelton currently has no purchase orders from D2A and
there are no "back orders" to be filled. Chelton has also suspended
taking any further purchase orders from D2A and has suspended D2A's
status as an authorized distributor.
Chelton regrets any inconvenience or financial loss the situation with
D2A may have caused you.
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| Subject: | FW: [LML] D2 Update |
uh oh... how will i get my GADAHARS? i was never sent one. am i out
30k? is this for real?
cj
(bummed)
#40410
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of John W. Cox
Sent: Sat 12/23/2006 7:41 PM
Subject: RV10-List: FW: [LML] D2 Update
Here is a valued post from someone I respect. For a few RV-10 builders,
this may cause some trepidation. As many of you know, I have been a
strong supporter of Chelton products. This is going to be a better year
in 2007. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
Don't shoot the messenger.
John Cox
the Turbanator #40600
Do not archive as this information will be worthless shortly and has no
archival value!
________________________________
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of
Brent Regan
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 2:12 PM
Subject: [LML] D2 Update
I have reviewed the situation with Kirk (D2) and Gordon (CFS). Here is
what I have learned.
It is true that D2 has closed its doors. CFS has picked up new orders
with Lancair, Epic and D2's other dealers.
CFS has an agreement with Pinpoint Inertial to distribute their ADAHRS
/ GADAHRS.
CFS is NOT responsible for commitments made by any of their dealers.
CFS's official information release is copied below.
CFS is committed to supporting their products.
So what happened? In my opinion the tipping point came with the X-bow
42X problem. D2 could have told their customers that the 425 problems
were a X-bow warranty issue but instead they took the high road and
offered to replace the 425s with Pinpoints. One could imagine that this
put a tremendous strain on cash flow. Kirk thought it was a risk worth
taking but did not foresee two additional events. One was X-bow getting
into the EFIS market (Advanced). This begs the question: If X-bow can
make an ADAHRS for their own EFIS, why didn't they fix the 42Xs???
Second was Garmin's entry into the experimental market. This one is a
real mystery. As Hamid pointed out to me, why would Garmin's least
profitable division (avionics) enter the least profitable sector of that
market (experimental)? I am unaware of any other certified aviation
company that has made this retrograde market expansion. It is like
being married to Cindy Crawford and then having an affair with Janet
Reno. If I were a Garmin experimental customer I would be nervous that
Garmin will wake up and gnaw their arm off to get out of the market as
fast as possible. Remember the Starship?
In the end it was D2's commitment to it's customers that was their
undoing. D2's failure is a loss for everyone but their competitors.
Ironically, D2's failure is also bad news for X-bow as all the customers
that are holding 425's will be looking to X-bow to make them well.
The good news is that it seems all the products that were distributed by
D2 will still be available to builders through other distributors.
I would also point out that the above is hearsay or the opinion of a
confessed idiot and should not be taken seriously.
The authorized information is copied below.
Wishing you and yours the Merriest Christmas possible and a safe New
Year with blue skies and cheap fuel.
Regards
Brent Regan
CHELTON FLIGHT SYSTEMS
AUTHORIZED INFORMATION RELEASE REGARDING
Direct 2 Avionics
<> </>
December 22, 2006
NOTE: THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT IS THE ONLY EXPLANATION THAT CHELTON HAS
AUTHORIZED RELATING TO DIRECT 2 AVIONICS SITUATION BY ANY EMPLOYEE OF
CHELTON. THIS EXPLANATION IS THE ONLY EXPLANATION YOU ARE AUTHORIZED TO
PROVIDE ABOUT DIRECT 2 AVIONICS, ITS OWNERS OR EMPLOYEES, AND BUSINESS
RELATIONSHIP WITH CHELTON. ANY OTHER STATEMENT, SPECULATION, GOSSIP OR
RUMOR REGARDING DIRECT 2 AVONICS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
<></>
STATEMENT:
To Whom It May Concern:
By now you have probably heard that DIRECT 2 AVIONICS
("D2A") had to close its business. Like you, we at Chelton Flight
Systems were disappointed and concerned that D2A felt it had to take
this action.
D2A was an authorized, independently-owned distributor for Chelton.
Chelton has no ownership or other relationship with D2A. Chelton has
received various inquiries from persons who have alleged that they were
told by D2A that parts for which they claimed to have paid D2A were
"back ordered." Chelton currently has no purchase orders from D2A and
there are no "back orders" to be filled. Chelton has also suspended
taking any further purchase orders from D2A and has suspended D2A's
status as an authorized distributor.
Chelton regrets any inconvenience or financial loss the situation with
D2A may have caused you.
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator rigging |
Thanks Rick for the reply. I don't think there's an issue here either but
thought I'd ask around.
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| Subject: | Re: FW: [LML] D2 Update |
I've caught some rumors of this for a couple days now. I don't
know intimate details of anything, because Kirk never did
fill me in on the happenings, so everything I have heard is
not from him.
What I can tell you is this.... There are a lot of people
who have great interest in seeing this thing play out well for
all of the customers involved, and they're actively working to
try to find out what methods of resolution can be worked out.
The announcement was kind of forced because there are, of course,
many people with interest in the situation...but it would have been
nice if a solution was provided at the time of the news. The best
advice is probably to keep in good touch with the dealers that
were bought through, as they will be spending a lot of time
trying to find out what will happen too.
I myself feel pretty bad about all of this, because it's a great
system, and my good fortune with it may have prompted lots of
people to go that route. Who would have thought that there
would be the main distributor doing things improperly that would
have messed it up for everyone. The product is good, the manufacturer
can deliver, and everything surrounding it is fine....except for
the fact that the distributor middle-man was taking payments
and not delivering...and not ordering from Mother Chelton. So that
one company is solely at the heart of this problem. Currently,
as I hear it, Chelton itself actually will accept orders from
dealers, and not take payment until time of delivery, and that
delivery time is 3-4 weeks....just like any good business would
be. Too bad the distributor chose to do something different.
With companies that have had issues like Stoddard-Hamilton,
Kitfox, Bede, and more, it stinks to see this kind of thing
coming up again. There is one thing to be very aware of in your
dealings with basically almost any of these companies....in
most cases, except for Garmin, almost every EFIS and Autopilot
type company you can name is being run by a very limited
staff, with some very key people. It doesn't take much more
than a car accident involving one of the members to drastically
change the marketplace. At least with Garmin and Chelton,
you have manufacturers with tremendous resources behind them...
but in this particular case, it probably would have been nice
to not have that middleman distributor.
So it is pretty sad to see this kind of thing creep up during
Christmas week, of all weeks. I'd urge people to just get in
touch with their dealer who sold them their unit if they have
undelivered goods, and make your thoughts known to them.
If there is going to be a favorable solution, they'll be
exceedingly thrilled to tell you about it. If there's going
to be legal action, they may even be happy to keep you informed.
At present, it would be premature to think anyone has actually
lost anything, because there is nothing that has been
finalized since Chelton has become aware of the situation.
In the end, if a favorable solution is made, it may actually
prove to be a positive happening in that the endless delays
that people have been having could finally be over, since it's
becoming apparent that those were financially related.
If I hear anything good, I'll try to pass it on to the list.
For those who have interest though, contact your dealers.
And for anyone still interested in the EFIS itself, it's
still worth calling the dealers. It sounds as if systems
are available and can be ordered without payment, so
new sales at least should be not only unaffected, but
much more fortunate than anyone who's currently paid and
waiting for goods.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Chris Johnston wrote:
> uh oh... how will i get my GADAHARS? i was never sent one. am i out 30k?
is this for real?
>
> cj
> (bummed)
> #40410
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of John W. Cox
> Sent: Sat 12/23/2006 7:41 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: FW: [LML] D2 Update
>
> Here is a valued post from someone I respect. For a few RV-10 builders,
> this may cause some trepidation. As many of you know, I have been a
> strong supporter of Chelton products. This is going to be a better year
> in 2007. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
>
>
>
> Don't shoot the messenger.
>
>
>
> John Cox
> the Turbanator #40600
>
> Do not archive as this information will be worthless shortly and has no
> archival value!
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of
> Brent Regan
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 2:12 PM
> To: lml@lancaironline.net
> Subject: [LML] D2 Update
>
>
>
> I have reviewed the situation with Kirk (D2) and Gordon (CFS). Here is
> what I have learned.
>
> It is true that D2 has closed its doors. CFS has picked up new orders
> with Lancair, Epic and D2's other dealers.
>
> CFS has an agreement with Pinpoint Inertial to distribute their ADAHRS
> / GADAHRS.
>
> CFS is NOT responsible for commitments made by any of their dealers.
> CFS's official information release is copied below.
>
> CFS is committed to supporting their products.
>
> So what happened? In my opinion the tipping point came with the X-bow
> 42X problem. D2 could have told their customers that the 425 problems
> were a X-bow warranty issue but instead they took the high road and
> offered to replace the 425s with Pinpoints. One could imagine that this
> put a tremendous strain on cash flow. Kirk thought it was a risk worth
> taking but did not foresee two additional events. One was X-bow getting
> into the EFIS market (Advanced). This begs the question: If X-bow can
> make an ADAHRS for their own EFIS, why didn't they fix the 42Xs???
>
> Second was Garmin's entry into the experimental market. This one is a
> real mystery. As Hamid pointed out to me, why would Garmin's least
> profitable division (avionics) enter the least profitable sector of that
> market (experimental)? I am unaware of any other certified aviation
> company that has made this retrograde market expansion. It is like
> being married to Cindy Crawford and then having an affair with Janet
> Reno. If I were a Garmin experimental customer I would be nervous that
> Garmin will wake up and gnaw their arm off to get out of the market as
> fast as possible. Remember the Starship?
>
> In the end it was D2's commitment to it's customers that was their
> undoing. D2's failure is a loss for everyone but their competitors.
> Ironically, D2's failure is also bad news for X-bow as all the customers
> that are holding 425's will be looking to X-bow to make them well.
>
> The good news is that it seems all the products that were distributed by
> D2 will still be available to builders through other distributors.
>
> I would also point out that the above is hearsay or the opinion of a
> confessed idiot and should not be taken seriously.
>
> The authorized information is copied below.
>
> Wishing you and yours the Merriest Christmas possible and a safe New
> Year with blue skies and cheap fuel.
>
> Regards
> Brent Regan
>
> CHELTON FLIGHT SYSTEMS
>
> AUTHORIZED INFORMATION RELEASE REGARDING
>
> Direct 2 Avionics
>
> <> </>
>
> December 22, 2006
>
>
>
>
>
> NOTE: THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT IS THE ONLY EXPLANATION THAT CHELTON HAS
> AUTHORIZED RELATING TO DIRECT 2 AVIONICS SITUATION BY ANY EMPLOYEE OF
> CHELTON. THIS EXPLANATION IS THE ONLY EXPLANATION YOU ARE AUTHORIZED TO
> PROVIDE ABOUT DIRECT 2 AVIONICS, ITS OWNERS OR EMPLOYEES, AND BUSINESS
> RELATIONSHIP WITH CHELTON. ANY OTHER STATEMENT, SPECULATION, GOSSIP OR
> RUMOR REGARDING DIRECT 2 AVONICS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
>
>
>
>
>
> <></>
>
> STATEMENT:
>
>
>
> To Whom It May Concern:
>
>
>
> By now you have probably heard that DIRECT 2 AVIONICS
> ("D2A") had to close its business. Like you, we at Chelton Flight
> Systems were disappointed and concerned that D2A felt it had to take
> this action.
>
>
>
> D2A was an authorized, independently-owned distributor for Chelton.
> Chelton has no ownership or other relationship with D2A. Chelton has
> received various inquiries from persons who have alleged that they were
> told by D2A that parts for which they claimed to have paid D2A were
> "back ordered." Chelton currently has no purchase orders from D2A and
> there are no "back orders" to be filled. Chelton has also suspended
> taking any further purchase orders from D2A and has suspended D2A's
> status as an authorized distributor.
>
>
>
> Chelton regrets any inconvenience or financial loss the situation with
> D2A may have caused you.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Oxygen exterior fill port |
I was talking to a local FBO guy who said that all the aircraft in
their fleet were having to remove the O2 bottle for refill rather
than having O2 fill-up carts come out to the aircraft. Is the
external O2 filler port being outlawed or is this just a local
problem? Has anyone heard bout this problem? Do not archive.
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| Subject: | FW: [LML] D2 Update |
I'm very curious as to why chelton set up distribution through d2 to begin
with. Was it to isolate liability? Did they want to focus on manufacturing?
I do like the product and am (was) very seriously considering it in my
current project. But, what benefit would there be, except additional cost
and to add another layer of distribution....how was d2 licensed to handle
manufacturing defects? How much authority were they given to handle warranty
claims?? Garmin deals directly with avionics shops and major retailers
..don't they?? That seems to be the most common business model.. I never
questioned they're (cheltons) business practices until now, but in light of
the current situation, I think I'd only feel comfortable dealing directly
with the manufacturer. Or at least a reputable avionics dealer who has
direct contact with the manufacturer.
I don't presume to know 'nuthin bout nuthin' .. but I do wish the
continued success of chelton and I know they'll work out any speedbumps.
Until then I'll wait and see...
steve
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 11:47 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: [LML] D2 Update
>
>
> I've caught some rumors of this for a couple days now. I don't
> know intimate details of anything, because Kirk never did
> fill me in on the happenings, so everything I have heard is
> not from him.
>
> What I can tell you is this.... There are a lot of people
> who have great interest in seeing this thing play out well for
> all of the customers involved, and they're actively working to
> try to find out what methods of resolution can be worked out.
> The announcement was kind of forced because there are, of course,
> many people with interest in the situation...but it would have been
> nice if a solution was provided at the time of the news. The best
> advice is probably to keep in good touch with the dealers that
> were bought through, as they will be spending a lot of time
> trying to find out what will happen too.
>
> I myself feel pretty bad about all of this, because it's a great
> system, and my good fortune with it may have prompted lots of
> people to go that route. Who would have thought that there
> would be the main distributor doing things improperly that would
> have messed it up for everyone. The product is good, the manufacturer
> can deliver, and everything surrounding it is fine....except for
> the fact that the distributor middle-man was taking payments
> and not delivering...and not ordering from Mother Chelton. So that
> one company is solely at the heart of this problem. Currently,
> as I hear it, Chelton itself actually will accept orders from
> dealers, and not take payment until time of delivery, and that
> delivery time is 3-4 weeks....just like any good business would
> be. Too bad the distributor chose to do something different.
> With companies that have had issues like Stoddard-Hamilton,
> Kitfox, Bede, and more, it stinks to see this kind of thing
> coming up again. There is one thing to be very aware of in your
> dealings with basically almost any of these companies....in
> most cases, except for Garmin, almost every EFIS and Autopilot
> type company you can name is being run by a very limited
> staff, with some very key people. It doesn't take much more
> than a car accident involving one of the members to drastically
> change the marketplace. At least with Garmin and Chelton,
> you have manufacturers with tremendous resources behind them...
> but in this particular case, it probably would have been nice
> to not have that middleman distributor.
>
> So it is pretty sad to see this kind of thing creep up during
> Christmas week, of all weeks. I'd urge people to just get in
> touch with their dealer who sold them their unit if they have
> undelivered goods, and make your thoughts known to them.
> If there is going to be a favorable solution, they'll be
> exceedingly thrilled to tell you about it. If there's going
> to be legal action, they may even be happy to keep you informed.
> At present, it would be premature to think anyone has actually
> lost anything, because there is nothing that has been
> finalized since Chelton has become aware of the situation.
> In the end, if a favorable solution is made, it may actually
> prove to be a positive happening in that the endless delays
> that people have been having could finally be over, since it's
> becoming apparent that those were financially related.
>
> If I hear anything good, I'll try to pass it on to the list.
> For those who have interest though, contact your dealers.
> And for anyone still interested in the EFIS itself, it's
> still worth calling the dealers. It sounds as if systems
> are available and can be ordered without payment, so
> new sales at least should be not only unaffected, but
> much more fortunate than anyone who's currently paid and
> waiting for goods.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Chris Johnston wrote:
> > uh oh... how will i get my GADAHARS? i was never sent one. am i out
> 30k? is this for real?
> >
> > cj
> > (bummed)
> > #40410
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of John W. Cox
> > Sent: Sat 12/23/2006 7:41 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: FW: [LML] D2 Update
> >
> > Here is a valued post from someone I respect. For a few RV-10 builders,
> > this may cause some trepidation. As many of you know, I have been a
> > strong supporter of Chelton products. This is going to be a better year
> > in 2007. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
> >
> >
> >
> > Don't shoot the messenger.
> >
> >
> >
> > John Cox
> > the Turbanator #40600
> >
> > Do not archive as this information will be worthless shortly and has no
> > archival value!
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of
> > Brent Regan
> > Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 2:12 PM
> > To: lml@lancaironline.net
> > Subject: [LML] D2 Update
> >
> >
> >
> > I have reviewed the situation with Kirk (D2) and Gordon (CFS). Here is
> > what I have learned.
> >
> > It is true that D2 has closed its doors. CFS has picked up new orders
> > with Lancair, Epic and D2's other dealers.
> >
> > CFS has an agreement with Pinpoint Inertial to distribute their ADAHRS
> > / GADAHRS.
> >
> > CFS is NOT responsible for commitments made by any of their dealers.
> > CFS's official information release is copied below.
> >
> > CFS is committed to supporting their products.
> >
> > So what happened? In my opinion the tipping point came with the X-bow
> > 42X problem. D2 could have told their customers that the 425 problems
> > were a X-bow warranty issue but instead they took the high road and
> > offered to replace the 425s with Pinpoints. One could imagine that this
> > put a tremendous strain on cash flow. Kirk thought it was a risk worth
> > taking but did not foresee two additional events. One was X-bow getting
> > into the EFIS market (Advanced). This begs the question: If X-bow can
> > make an ADAHRS for their own EFIS, why didn't they fix the 42Xs???
> >
> > Second was Garmin's entry into the experimental market. This one is a
> > real mystery. As Hamid pointed out to me, why would Garmin's least
> > profitable division (avionics) enter the least profitable sector of that
> > market (experimental)? I am unaware of any other certified aviation
> > company that has made this retrograde market expansion. It is like
> > being married to Cindy Crawford and then having an affair with Janet
> > Reno. If I were a Garmin experimental customer I would be nervous that
> > Garmin will wake up and gnaw their arm off to get out of the market as
> > fast as possible. Remember the Starship?
> >
> > In the end it was D2's commitment to it's customers that was their
> > undoing. D2's failure is a loss for everyone but their competitors.
> > Ironically, D2's failure is also bad news for X-bow as all the customers
> > that are holding 425's will be looking to X-bow to make them well.
> >
> > The good news is that it seems all the products that were distributed by
> > D2 will still be available to builders through other distributors.
> >
> > I would also point out that the above is hearsay or the opinion of a
> > confessed idiot and should not be taken seriously.
> >
> > The authorized information is copied below.
> >
> > Wishing you and yours the Merriest Christmas possible and a safe New
> > Year with blue skies and cheap fuel.
> >
> > Regards
> > Brent Regan
> >
> > CHELTON FLIGHT SYSTEMS
> >
> > AUTHORIZED INFORMATION RELEASE REGARDING
> >
> > Direct 2 Avionics
> >
> > <> </>
> >
> > December 22, 2006
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > NOTE: THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT IS THE ONLY EXPLANATION THAT CHELTON HAS
> > AUTHORIZED RELATING TO DIRECT 2 AVIONICS SITUATION BY ANY EMPLOYEE OF
> > CHELTON. THIS EXPLANATION IS THE ONLY EXPLANATION YOU ARE AUTHORIZED TO
> > PROVIDE ABOUT DIRECT 2 AVIONICS, ITS OWNERS OR EMPLOYEES, AND BUSINESS
> > RELATIONSHIP WITH CHELTON. ANY OTHER STATEMENT, SPECULATION, GOSSIP OR
> > RUMOR REGARDING DIRECT 2 AVONICS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <></>
> >
> > STATEMENT:
> >
> >
> >
> > To Whom It May Concern:
> >
> >
> >
> > By now you have probably heard that DIRECT 2 AVIONICS
> > ("D2A") had to close its business. Like you, we at Chelton Flight
> > Systems were disappointed and concerned that D2A felt it had to take
> > this action.
> >
> >
> >
> > D2A was an authorized, independently-owned distributor for Chelton.
> > Chelton has no ownership or other relationship with D2A. Chelton has
> > received various inquiries from persons who have alleged that they were
> > told by D2A that parts for which they claimed to have paid D2A were
> > "back ordered." Chelton currently has no purchase orders from D2A and
> > there are no "back orders" to be filled. Chelton has also suspended
> > taking any further purchase orders from D2A and has suspended D2A's
> > status as an authorized distributor.
> >
> >
> >
> > Chelton regrets any inconvenience or financial loss the situation with
> > D2A may have caused you.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> --
> 12/23/2006
>
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