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1. 05:11 AM - Re: New Design Brake Pedals and Stainless Brake Lines (Wayne Edgerton)
2. 07:01 AM - Re: riveting forward fuse panel area (Ted French)
3. 07:06 AM - Oil Cooler Bracket (Jesse Saint)
4. 07:08 AM - Wheel Pant Spacer Bolts Breaking (Russell Daves)
5. 07:20 AM - Re: ELT? 406 vs 121.5 (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
6. 07:24 AM - Re: Oil Cooler Bracket (Tim Olson)
7. 07:36 AM - You are a experimental airplane builder if. (Phillips, Jack)
8. 07:40 AM - Re: Oil Cooler Bracket (Jesse Saint)
9. 07:43 AM - Re: Oil Cooler Bracket (Deems Davis)
10. 08:48 AM - Battery wiring (John Gonzalez)
11. 09:31 AM - Re: Battery wiring (John Testement)
12. 10:18 AM - Re: Battery wiring (John Gonzalez)
13. 10:31 AM - Re: ELT? 406 vs 121.5 (Eric Panning)
14. 10:42 AM - When Do the Pieces Come Together? (Bill Reining)
15. 11:01 AM - Re: New Design Brake Pedals and Stainless Brake Lines (Dave Hertner)
16. 11:12 AM - Re: When Do the Pieces Come Together? (Tim Olson)
17. 11:18 AM - Re: When Do the Pieces Come Together? (Jerry Grimmonpre)
18. 12:02 PM - Re: Installing elevators and rudders (Jon Reining)
19. 02:05 PM - Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? (Deems Davis)
20. 02:12 PM - Re: Wheel Pant Spacer Bolts Breaking (Marcus Cooper)
21. 02:31 PM - Avionics Escrow (gary)
22. 02:40 PM - Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? (John Gonzalez)
23. 03:16 PM - Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? (Larry Rosen)
24. 03:21 PM - Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? (Deems Davis)
25. 03:25 PM - Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? (BPA)
26. 03:27 PM - Re: When Do the Pieces Come Together? (John Testement)
27. 04:10 PM - Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? (Rob Kermanj)
28. 04:47 PM - Re: When Do the Pieces Come Together? (John Gonzalez)
29. 04:54 PM - Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? (John Gonzalez)
30. 06:35 PM - Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? (Deems Davis)
31. 07:09 PM - Re: Oil Cooler Bracket (Rob Wright)
32. 07:17 PM - Re: When Do the Pieces Come Together? (jerry petersen)
33. 07:36 PM - Re: Installing elevators and rudders (jerry petersen)
34. 08:03 PM - Re: When Do the Pieces Come Together? (Larry Rosen)
35. 08:03 PM - Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? (Deems Davis)
36. 08:38 PM - Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? (JOHN STARN)
37. 10:30 PM - Re: When Do the Pieces Come Together? (Paul Grimstad)
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| Subject: | Re: New Design Brake Pedals and Stainless Brake Lines |
Dave,
I'm interested. I assume if I receive it and it's not what I thought it
would be I would be able to return it.
Wayne Edgerton 40336
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| Subject: | riveting forward fuse panel area |
Why not rivit it in place but leave the top skin off. Thats what I did and
it sure made it easy to do all the wiring and mounting of the behind the
panel stuff. My panel is removeable, so the last thing will be to install
it. It's already been in and out a half dozen times.
Do Not Archive
Ted French C-FXCS reserved
pre-paint prep
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Johnston [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On
Behalf Of Chris Johnston
Sent: January 2, 2007 6:24 PM
Subject: RV10-List: riveting forward fuse panel area
hey all -
i have many questions!!! I'm now in week 2 of my vacation - been home
working on the airplane the whole time... I've just finished the flap
actuation section, and I'm into the panel area. I haven't really finalized
my panel layout, or even which type of panel (aluminum or fiberglass) I'm
going with. Question - Am I a fool to rivet the upper forward fuselage
section to the aircraft? Is it really that tough to install the panel if
you've done this already? I won't be able to move on if i don't rivet it
on, but I don't want to hose myself.
also, in this section, you're supposed to rivet on some hinges for the cowl.
I'm using camlocs, but I haven't received them yet. should I just leave the
rivets out of the firewall flange for now? I'm kinda lost here... it seems
like you need the engine on before you can mount the camlocs right? or do
you mount the receptacles now, and do the rest when you're doing the cowl?
what the heck?
thanks in advance!
cj
#40410
(con)fuse(d)
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| Subject: | Oil Cooler Bracket |
I have a question for those who have received FWF kits recently. In the
attached picture you can see the oil cooler bracket that I am working on.
Notice anything missing? Van's sent this to me, but it doesn't have the
flange for the scat tube. Is it possible that they have modified the plans
and we are supposed to rivet on a flange like goes on the baffles? In the
past it had the flange welded to the bracket.
Anybody else seen this? I am going to call Van's, but they haven't opened
yet.
Thanks. Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Wheel Pant Spacer Bolts Breaking |
As I previously posted, my right main gear leg bolt, AN6A where it goes
into U1004B extension (page 46-5 figure 2) broke off and the landings
have not been hard at all. Since then my left bolt also broke with
resulting significant damage to the wheel pant. I had thought the
problem with the bolts breaking was probably a vibration issue, and
after the second bolt break I consulted with another RV builder, A&P,
and Machinist and we both decided that the problem was that the Van's
supplied U1004B extension spacer was not big around enough where it
bolted onto the axle hub nut and the large wheel pant was experiencing
some in flight vibration causing the U1004B to flex up and down ever so
slightly against the axle hub nut resulting in a stress fatigue fracture
of the AN6A bolt even with the attachment point of the U1004B to the
axle hub nut.
We redesigned the U1004B extension spacer so that where it butted
against the axle hub nut and the large washer fiberglassed into the
wheel pant could not flex up and down.
Pictures of the Van's supplied U1004B extension spacer (top) and the
newly designed spacer (bottom) can be viewed at:
http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wheelpantspacer3bz6.png
In addition I also posted a picture of the new extension spacer mounted
on the wheel at:
http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wheelpantspacermountedrl3.png
Best regards,
Russ Daves
N710RV - First Flight 7/28/06 - 95+ hours
N65RV - RV-6A Sold
RV-8 under construction
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| Subject: | Re: ELT? 406 vs 121.5 |
Effective Jan 1 07 boaters are no longer authorized to use 121.5 beacons;
this should take down the amount of false beacon reports...but I'm sure many
boaters will continue to turn on their beacon accidentally and many will
continue to be 121.5...
Eric, even if the beacon is located near an airport, AFRCC does not ignore
it, they will call the local airport owner/tower etc., and also the local CAP
ES officer to investigate after two rotations...been on a number of these
false beacons in parked aircraft, one was on the local hospital helo pad--hard
landing set it off and it was so foggy the crew could not get back to base but
we got called out and found the hot ELT... AFRCC does not know if the
plane/boat/personal EPRB is in a hangar, driveway, tied down or just crashed near
the airport.
Please keep in mind that most off field landing happen within 5 nm radius of
airports. With the accuracy of the current 121.5 system and even the newer
GPS units investigations will continue to be called but hopefully with a
little more accuracy. Also keep in mind that many ELT's do not activate due to
a
number of reasons after an impact..poor power, antenna crushed, etc. So
continue to file before your flights or at least let someone know you're flying
and where you're headed incase you become over due.
P
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Bracket |
Did they at least include the flange? If not, then I'm sure it's just
a defect. If so, perhaps it can be riveted and sealed.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Jesse Saint wrote:
> I have a question for those who have received FWF kits recently. In the
> attached picture you can see the oil cooler bracket that I am working
> on. Notice anything missing? Vans sent this to me, but it doesnt
> have the flange for the scat tube. Is it possible that they have
> modified the plans and we are supposed to rivet on a flange like goes on
> the baffles? In the past it had the flange welded to the bracket.
>
>
>
> Anybody else seen this? I am going to call Vans, but they havent
> opened yet.
>
>
>
> Thanks. Do not archive.
>
>
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> I-TEC, Inc.
>
> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
>
> Cell: 352-427-0285
>
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | You are a experimental airplane builder if. |
Just came across this on another list, had to share it.
You're an experimental airplane builder if...
- You have ever had a conversation involving the words
"mil-spec" and "AN."
- The majority of your tools aren't available at Sears.
- You always have fresh scars on your hands, even though you
have a desk job.
- People ask if you have a hobby and their follow up question
is "are you nuts?"
- You have at least 15 unfinished projects that aren't
airplanes.
- Your first reaction when purchasing any non-food item is "I
can build that."
- Your first reaction when purchasing any food item is "I gotta
get some beer to go with that."
- You know what Oshkosh is and where to find it.
- You know that Alodine is not a place in Texas.
- Someone says "hey look a Moose" and you look up in the sky.
- You can't look at anything mechanical without thinking of a
way to "improve" the design.
- Cleveland is a brand, not a place in Ohio.
- You'll pay hundreds of dollars to save two pounds in
avionics, but you're 20 lbs overweight and somehow that's OK.
- When people ask what you got for Christmas you have to
explain what it is.
- A dragon fly isn't an insect.
- You know who Burt Rutan is and you think sideburns are kinda
cool.
- A lay up has nothing to do with basketball.
- You haven't parked your car in your garage in years.
Jack Phillips
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| Subject: | Oil Cooler Bracket |
The didn't include anything else. I have an e-mail in to them. Bruce in
tech support said it is probably a manufacturing defect, but "I don't know
much about parts" was his comment.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil Cooler Bracket
Did they at least include the flange? If not, then I'm sure it's just
a defect. If so, perhaps it can be riveted and sealed.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Jesse Saint wrote:
> I have a question for those who have received FWF kits recently. In the
> attached picture you can see the oil cooler bracket that I am working
> on. Notice anything missing? Van's sent this to me, but it doesn't
> have the flange for the scat tube. Is it possible that they have
> modified the plans and we are supposed to rivet on a flange like goes on
> the baffles? In the past it had the flange welded to the bracket.
>
>
>
> Anybody else seen this? I am going to call Van's, but they haven't
> opened yet.
>
>
>
> Thanks. Do not archive.
>
>
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> I-TEC, Inc.
>
> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
>
> Cell: 352-427-0285
>
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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2:58 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Bracket |
Jesse, I received mine recently and the scat tube ring is attached and
it's not riveted but welded (tack) to the oil cooler bracket.
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Mounting engine today !!!!!!!
Jesse Saint wrote:
> I have a question for those who have received FWF kits recently. In
> the attached picture you can see the oil cooler bracket that I am
> working on. Notice anything missing? Vans sent this to me, but it
> doesnt have the flange for the scat tube. Is it possible that they
> have modified the plans and we are supposed to rivet on a flange like
> goes on the baffles? In the past it had the flange welded to the bracket.
>
> Anybody else seen this? I am going to call Vans, but they havent
> opened yet.
>
>
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Can anyone that is near completion or has completed the plane tell me were
the battery cable goes once it is infront of the front seats. Does the cable
stay along the side and avoid interfering with the rudder pedals and goes up
into the upper consol or do they drop below into the space between the real
floor and the floor beneath the pedals/
Thanks
John G
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The battery cable goes along the left side of the plane up to and through
the firewall. Vans electrical installation instructions (comes with the
wiring kit) has the cable go through right at the very edge of the firewall
below the starter contactor.
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
FWF, engine, wiring
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:47 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Battery wiring
--> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Can anyone that is near completion or has completed the plane tell me were
the battery cable goes once it is infront of the front seats. Does the cable
stay along the side and avoid interfering with the rudder pedals and goes up
into the upper consol or do they drop below into the space between the real
floor and the floor beneath the pedals/
Thanks
John G
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So basically it just keeps running straight until it hits the firewall.
Does that mean that holes need to be drilled in the "J" type bulkhead
(vertically placed skin stiffner)that is right next to the rudder pedal. I
am not planning on cutting anything or drilling anything in this area
because I'm not needing to now, but trying to get a mental image of where
everthing is going. I've got fat cable on right and left sides of the fuse
for dual batteries.
I've had a difficult time finding pictures on builders web sites and seeing
what I am looking for.
John G.
Do Not Archive
>From: "John Testement" <jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Battery wiring
>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 12:30:44 -0500
>
><jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
>
>The battery cable goes along the left side of the plane up to and through
>the firewall. Vans electrical installation instructions (comes with the
>wiring kit) has the cable go through right at the very edge of the firewall
>below the starter contactor.
>
>John Testement
>jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
>40321
>Richmond, VA
>FWF, engine, wiring
>do not archive
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
>Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:47 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Battery wiring
>
>--> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
>Can anyone that is near completion or has completed the plane tell me were
>the battery cable goes once it is infront of the front seats. Does the
>cable
>stay along the side and avoid interfering with the rudder pedals and goes
>up
>into the upper consol or do they drop below into the space between the real
>floor and the floor beneath the pedals/
>
>Thanks
>
>John G
>
>
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>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: ELT? 406 vs 121.5 |
Hi,
Thanks for the info. Do you have more details or a
story of an off airport ELT at a crash site? I suspect
many are interested in the process.
I recall the numbers were 94% airports and ~ 3% for
boats, etc. Marine ELT's don't have a shock sensor so
I suspect the false rate is lower as a result. Didn't
know about the expiration date for Marine, thanks.
How long for 2 rotations? I'm sorry if I implied that
a search would not be instigated for an ELT near an
airport. It does sound like it would take awhile to
spin up a full search unless they had more specific
info (like flight plan, or ground report of crash,
overdue, etc).
Have you taken part in any 406 ELT searches? Is the
procedure different?
Thanks! Eric
--- GRANSCOTT@aol.com wrote:
> Effective Jan 1 07 boaters are no longer authorized
> to use 121.5 beacons;
> this should take down the amount of false beacon
> reports...but I'm sure many
> boaters will continue to turn on their beacon
> accidentally and many will
> continue to be 121.5...
>
> Eric, even if the beacon is located near an airport,
> AFRCC does not ignore
> it, they will call the local airport owner/tower
> etc., and also the local CAP
> ES officer to investigate after two
> rotations...been on a number of these
> false beacons in parked aircraft, one was on the
> local hospital helo pad--hard
> landing set it off and it was so foggy the crew
> could not get back to base but
> we got called out and found the hot ELT... AFRCC
> does not know if the
> plane/boat/personal EPRB is in a hangar, driveway,
> tied down or just crashed near
> the airport.
>
> Please keep in mind that most off field landing
> happen within 5 nm radius of
> airports. With the accuracy of the current 121.5
> system and even the newer
> GPS units investigations will continue to be called
> but hopefully with a
> little more accuracy. Also keep in mind that many
> ELT's do not activate due to a
> number of reasons after an impact..poor power,
> antenna crushed, etc. So
> continue to file before your flights or at least let
> someone know you're flying
> and where you're headed incase you become over due.
>
> P
>
>
>
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| Subject: | When Do the Pieces Come Together? |
I am about to build a workshop and need to know how big to make it. Due to
hillside property constraints, it will be long and narrow, with the doors on
the long side. If I'm not careful, I may not be able to get the fuselage
back out again, once assembled. I guess I could sit down and read the plans
from one end to the other, but thought the forum might produce answers more
quickly, so here goes:
Once all the individual "pieces" are assembled (e.g. vertical stab, horiz.
stab. rudder, elevator, tail cone, wings, fuselage), in what order are they
attached to one another? I assume the tail cone gets attached to the
fuselage fairly soon, and then the cabin top, landing gear and engine.
Obviously the wings aren't attached until you are practically at the
airport, but when must the vertical & horizontal stab and elevators be
attached? Please understand the purpose of these questions is to maximize
work performed inside, while still being able to get the finished
contraption out the door (which will probably be a removable wall of the
shop).
Bill Reining (with my son Jon)
40514 (tail cone)
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| Subject: | Re: New Design Brake Pedals and Stainless Brake Lines |
Wayne,
The customer has to be happy or there is no point in offering it for
sale.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Edgerton
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New Design Brake Pedals and Stainless Brake
Lines
Dave,
I'm interested. I assume if I receive it and it's not what I thought
it would be I would be able to return it.
Wayne Edgerton 40336
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| Subject: | Re: When Do the Pieces Come Together? |
Bill,
I don't think it's really too big a worry for you. The reason
being that you really don't need to do any permanent assembly
of the "winged" parts until you're ready for final assembly.
You will want to test fit the wings and drill the rear spar
and stuff like that, but that's only maybe 2 hours max...and
you can pull it outside for that amount of time.
Assembling the tail you put on the HS, VS, Elevators, and Rudder,
basically in that order. You don't need to do much with them
until final assembly again though. At most, just a quick
assembly of the HS and VS so you can do the intersection fairing
for a couple hours.
So, just plan to build all the parts and not do much with them
until you have to. The tailcone to fuselage is a little sooner
than the others, as you've noticed. But, if you have a long area,
then you're fine. If you have 20' x 6', you could in theory work
on the fuse with tailcone. More than that and you're good to go.
Push it to 22' or 23' long when you get the engine on and you're
still fine.
The hardest part, as you've noticed, is getting it out the door,
if it's on the side of the shop. You may end up even
busting a wall unless you can put a hole in one end of the
building. Other than that, you probably will have no problem.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Bill Reining wrote:
> I am about to build a workshop and need to know how big to make it. Due
> to hillside property constraints, it will be long and narrow, with the
> doors on the long side. If Im not careful, I may not be able to get
> the fuselage back out again, once assembled. I guess I could sit down
> and read the plans from one end to the other, but thought the forum
> might produce answers more quickly, so here goes:
>
>
>
> Once all the individual pieces are assembled (e.g. vertical stab,
> horiz. stab. rudder, elevator, tail cone, wings, fuselage), in what
> order are they attached to one another? I assume the tail cone gets
> attached to the fuselage fairly soon, and then the cabin top, landing
> gear and engine. Obviously the wings arent attached until you are
> practically at the airport, but when must the vertical & horizontal stab
> and elevators be attached? Please understand the purpose of these
> questions is to maximize work performed inside, while still being able
> to get the finished contraption out the door (which will probably be a
> removable wall of the shop).
>
>
>
> Bill Reining (with my son Jon)
>
> 40514 (tail cone)
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: When Do the Pieces Come Together? |
Bill ...
I once saw a small hangar with twin 16 foot wide overhead doors side by
side. There was a post between the two doors that tilted up out of the
way to provide a clear span of over 32 feet. Something for possibility
thinking. The two doors could be only 10 feet wide each if they served
the need.
Just my two cents worth ...
Jerry Grimmonpre'
RV4 flying
RV8A wires
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Reining
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:42 PM
Subject: RV10-List: When Do the Pieces Come Together?
I am about to build a workshop and need to know how big to make it.
Due to hillside property constraints, it will be long and narrow, with
the doors on the long side. If I'm not careful, I may not be able to
get the fuselage back out again, once assembled. I guess I could sit
down and read the plans from one end to the other, but thought the forum
might produce answers more quickly, so here goes:
Once all the individual "pieces" are assembled (e.g. vertical stab,
horiz. stab. rudder, elevator, tail cone, wings, fuselage), in what
order are they attached to one another? I assume the tail cone gets
attached to the fuselage fairly soon, and then the cabin top, landing
gear and engine. Obviously the wings aren't attached until you are
practically at the airport, but when must the vertical & horizontal stab
and elevators be attached? Please understand the purpose of these
questions is to maximize work performed inside, while still being able
to get the finished contraption out the door (which will probably be a
removable wall of the shop).
Bill Reining (with my son Jon)
40514 (tail cone)
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| Subject: | Re: Installing elevators and rudders |
Wayne - that looks like an air scoop at the base of your vertical stabilizer.
What have you got going on there?
Jon Reining (with my dad Bill)
40514 tailcone
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85230#85230
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| Subject: | Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? |
Just need to sound off!
After hassling/hurrying to get my gear leg fairings attached so that I
could mount my BPE IO540X. which has been sitting on my garage floor for
2 weeks. I got the hoist delivered, John Ackerman drove down from
Prescott to help with the 'Hanging' and about an hour into the process,
we both realized that VAN's sent the WRONG Lord mounts, They sent mounts
for a Continental 0-200 !!!!!!!!!!! After speaking to Van's and
correcting the error, I figured I'd salvage some of the day by
rebuilding my Wife's NEW HP Pavilion PC which didn't boot up on
Christmas Day, after spending 3 hours on the phone to India they sent a
system restore disk to reinstall the system, which arrived yesterday. I
recontacted HP support (India) per their instructions, went through
another 30 minutes of useless handshaking, only to find out they HAD
SENT THE WRONG DISK. However before they would send the correct disc,
they wanted to rerun a hard drive diagnostic, which takes 90 MINUTES to
complete!!!! I explained that I had been through this on the
previous/initial call and had successfully run this same diagnostic,
with no errors reported and that should have been captured in their log.
!@$!#$#!@I()@$%(@)(!$#@!#@)(!#@$)(!@^^&*&+*&%(_^$#%!$#%
Piss on it. Her PC is going back to where it was purchased and will be
replace by either a Dell or Sony, HP's lost a customer, and Van's has
lost some of it's luster.
Deems - - Just Hanging Out !\
Do Not Archive !!!!!!!!
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| Subject: | Wheel Pant Spacer Bolts Breaking |
Russ,
Pretty impressive machine work. One question, what is the flat spot in
the middle for?
Thanks,
Marcus
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Daves
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:07 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Wheel Pant Spacer Bolts Breaking
As I previously posted, my right main gear leg bolt, AN6A where it goes into
U1004B extension (page 46-5 figure 2) broke off and the landings have not
been hard at all. Since then my left bolt also broke with resulting
significant damage to the wheel pant. I had thought the problem with the
bolts breaking was probably a vibration issue, and after the second bolt
break I consulted with another RV builder, A&P, and Machinist and we both
decided that the problem was that the Van's supplied U1004B extension spacer
was not big around enough where it bolted onto the axle hub nut and the
large wheel pant was experiencing some in flight vibration causing the
U1004B to flex up and down ever so slightly against the axle hub nut
resulting in a stress fatigue fracture of the AN6A bolt even with the
attachment point of the U1004B to the axle hub nut.
We redesigned the U1004B extension spacer so that where it butted against
the axle hub nut and the large washer fiberglassed into the wheel pant could
not flex up and down.
Pictures of the Van's supplied U1004B extension spacer (top) and the newly
designed spacer (bottom) can be viewed at:
http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wheelpantspacer3bz6.png
In addition I also posted a picture of the new extension spacer mounted on
the wheel at:
http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wheelpantspacermountedrl3.png
Best regards,
Russ Daves
N710RV - First Flight 7/28/06 - 95+ hours
N65RV - RV-6A Sold
RV-8 under construction
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In light of the recent Chelton/Direct to Avionics mess and past kit
manufactures bankrupsies, I called AOPA Escrow services and inquired about
them holding funds until the avionics manufacture delivered. They can do
that for any builder who doesn't want to send money direct. The rules of
when the money is dispersed is negotiated between the parties before any
money is sent.
Looks like good protection for those who want it.
Gary
40274
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| Subject: | Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? |
I wouldn't even touch your plane with the luck you are having. Run away
from it as fast as you can. Chill out and go for a walk with the dog.
Dell is not much better so maybe Sony is better.
Is Van's selling O-200 for their 12.
>From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer
>service?
>Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:02:30 -0700
>
>
>Just need to sound off!
>
>
>After hassling/hurrying to get my gear leg fairings attached so that I
>could mount my BPE IO540X. which has been sitting on my garage floor for 2
>weeks. I got the hoist delivered, John Ackerman drove down from Prescott
>to help with the 'Hanging' and about an hour into the process, we both
>realized that VAN's sent the WRONG Lord mounts, They sent mounts for a
>Continental 0-200 !!!!!!!!!!! After speaking to Van's and correcting the
>error, I figured I'd salvage some of the day by rebuilding my Wife's NEW HP
>Pavilion PC which didn't boot up on Christmas Day, after spending 3 hours
>on the phone to India they sent a system restore disk to reinstall the
>system, which arrived yesterday. I recontacted HP support (India) per their
>instructions, went through another 30 minutes of useless handshaking, only
>to find out they HAD SENT THE WRONG DISK. However before they would send
>the correct disc, they wanted to rerun a hard drive diagnostic, which takes
>90 MINUTES to complete!!!! I explained that I had been through this on the
>previous/initial call and had successfully run this same diagnostic, with
>no errors reported and that should have been captured in their log.
>!@$!#$#!@I()@$%(@)(!$#@!#@)(!#@$)(!@^^&*&+*&%(_^$#%!$#%
>
>Piss on it. Her PC is going back to where it was purchased and will be
>replace by either a Dell or Sony, HP's lost a customer, and Van's has lost
>some of it's luster.
>
>Deems - - Just Hanging Out !\
>
>
>Do Not Archive !!!!!!!!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? |
Deems,
Could be worse, your EFIS vendor could have closed their doors like
mine. ;-)
Larry
do not archive
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> I wouldn't even touch your plane with the luck you are having. Run
> away from it as fast as you can. Chill out and go for a walk with the
> dog.
>
> Dell is not much better so maybe Sony is better.
>
> Is Van's selling O-200 for their 12.
>
>
>> From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with
>> Customer service?
>> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:02:30 -0700
>>
>>
>> Just need to sound off!
>>
>>
>> After hassling/hurrying to get my gear leg fairings attached so that
>> I could mount my BPE IO540X. which has been sitting on my garage
>> floor for 2 weeks. I got the hoist delivered, John Ackerman drove
>> down from Prescott to help with the 'Hanging' and about an hour into
>> the process, we both realized that VAN's sent the WRONG Lord mounts,
>> They sent mounts for a Continental 0-200 !!!!!!!!!!! After speaking
>> to Van's and correcting the error, I figured I'd salvage some of the
>> day by rebuilding my Wife's NEW HP Pavilion PC which didn't boot up
>> on Christmas Day, after spending 3 hours on the phone to India they
>> sent a system restore disk to reinstall the system, which arrived
>> yesterday. I recontacted HP support (India) per their instructions,
>> went through another 30 minutes of useless handshaking, only to find
>> out they HAD SENT THE WRONG DISK. However before they would send the
>> correct disc, they wanted to rerun a hard drive diagnostic, which
>> takes 90 MINUTES to complete!!!! I explained that I had been through
>> this on the previous/initial call and had successfully run this same
>> diagnostic, with no errors reported and that should have been
>> captured in their log.
>> !@$!#$#!@I()@$%(@)(!$#@!#@)(!#@$)(!@^^&*&+*&%(_^$#%!$#%
>>
>> Piss on it. Her PC is going back to where it was purchased and will
>> be replace by either a Dell or Sony, HP's lost a customer, and Van's
>> has lost some of it's luster.
>>
>> Deems - - Just Hanging Out !\
>>
>>
>> Do Not Archive !!!!!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? |
Actually, the mounts they sent me are for a Citabria which uses an
O-235, I have no idea why Van's would even have these in stock !?!?!?!?!?
Do Not Archive
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> I wouldn't even touch your plane with the luck you are having. Run
> away from it as fast as you can. Chill out and go for a walk with the
> dog.
>
> Dell is not much better so maybe Sony is better.
>
> Is Van's selling O-200 for their 12.
>
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| Subject: | Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? |
I can see it now "For Sale, RV-10 95% complete with PC computer" :)
Allen
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with
Customer service?
Deems,
Could be worse, your EFIS vendor could have closed their doors like
mine. ;-)
Larry
do not archive
John Gonzalez wrote:
<indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
> I wouldn't even touch your plane with the luck you are having. Run
> away from it as fast as you can. Chill out and go for a walk with the
> dog.
>
> Dell is not much better so maybe Sony is better.
>
> Is Van's selling O-200 for their 12.
>
>
>> From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with
>> Customer service?
>> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:02:30 -0700
>>
>>
>> Just need to sound off!
>>
>>
>> After hassling/hurrying to get my gear leg fairings attached so that
>> I could mount my BPE IO540X. which has been sitting on my garage
>> floor for 2 weeks. I got the hoist delivered, John Ackerman drove
>> down from Prescott to help with the 'Hanging' and about an hour into
>> the process, we both realized that VAN's sent the WRONG Lord mounts,
>> They sent mounts for a Continental 0-200 !!!!!!!!!!! After speaking
>> to Van's and correcting the error, I figured I'd salvage some of the
>> day by rebuilding my Wife's NEW HP Pavilion PC which didn't boot up
>> on Christmas Day, after spending 3 hours on the phone to India they
>> sent a system restore disk to reinstall the system, which arrived
>> yesterday. I recontacted HP support (India) per their instructions,
>> went through another 30 minutes of useless handshaking, only to find
>> out they HAD SENT THE WRONG DISK. However before they would send the
>> correct disc, they wanted to rerun a hard drive diagnostic, which
>> takes 90 MINUTES to complete!!!! I explained that I had been through
>> this on the previous/initial call and had successfully run this same
>> diagnostic, with no errors reported and that should have been
>> captured in their log.
>> !@$!#$#!@I()@$%(@)(!$#@!#@)(!#@$)(!@^^&*&+*&%(_^$#%!$#%
>>
>> Piss on it. Her PC is going back to where it was purchased and will
>> be replace by either a Dell or Sony, HP's lost a customer, and Van's
>> has lost some of it's luster.
>>
>> Deems - - Just Hanging Out !\
>>
>>
>> Do Not Archive !!!!!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | When Do the Pieces Come Together? |
Bill,
I am building in a basement with a French door. It is easy (relatively)
to
take the horizontal and vertical stabs on and off. I plan to keep mine
off,
move to the paint booth when the plane is mostly complete, and then to a
hanger. I will probably have to take the gear legs off to get out the
door.
John Testement
HYPERLINK "mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com"jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
FWF, engine, wiring
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Reining
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:42 PM
Subject: RV10-List: When Do the Pieces Come Together?
I am about to build a workshop and need to know how big to make it. Due
to
hillside property constraints, it will be long and narrow, with the
doors on
the long side. If I=92m not careful, I may not be able to get the
fuselage
back out again, once assembled. I guess I could sit down and read the
plans
from one end to the other, but thought the forum might produce answers
more
quickly, so here goes:
Once all the individual =93pieces=94 are assembled (e.g. vertical stab,
horiz.
stab. rudder, elevator, tail cone, wings, fuselage), in what order are
they
attached to one another? I assume the tail cone gets attached to the
fuselage fairly soon, and then the cabin top, landing gear and engine.
Obviously the wings aren=92t attached until you are practically at the
airport, but when must the vertical & horizontal stab and elevators be
attached? Please understand the purpose of these questions is to
maximize
work performed inside, while still being able to get the finished
contraption out the door (which will probably be a removable wall of the
shop).
Bill Reining (with my son Jon)
40514 (tail cone)
"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"http://www.matronics.com/Na
vig
ator?RV10-List
"http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? |
Buy yourself a Mac and never talk to India again, ever!
On Jan 3, 2007, at 5:02 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
>
> Just need to sound off!
>
>
> After hassling/hurrying to get my gear leg fairings attached so
> that I could mount my BPE IO540X. which has been sitting on my
> garage floor for 2 weeks. I got the hoist delivered, John Ackerman
> drove down from Prescott to help with the 'Hanging' and about an
> hour into the process, we both realized that VAN's sent the WRONG
> Lord mounts, They sent mounts for a Continental 0-200 !!!!!!!!!!!
> After speaking to Van's and correcting the error, I figured I'd
> salvage some of the day by rebuilding my Wife's NEW HP Pavilion PC
> which didn't boot up on Christmas Day, after spending 3 hours on
> the phone to India they sent a system restore disk to reinstall the
> system, which arrived yesterday. I recontacted HP support (India)
> per their instructions, went through another 30 minutes of useless
> handshaking, only to find out they HAD SENT THE WRONG DISK. However
> before they would send the correct disc, they wanted to rerun a
> hard drive diagnostic, which takes 90 MINUTES to complete!!!! I
> explained that I had been through this on the previous/initial call
> and had successfully run this same diagnostic, with no errors
> reported and that should have been captured in their log. !@$!#$#!@I
> ()@$%(@)(!$#@!#@)(!#@$)(!@^^&*&+*&%(_^$#%!$#%
>
> Piss on it. Her PC is going back to where it was purchased and will
> be replace by either a Dell or Sony, HP's lost a customer, and
> Van's has lost some of it's luster.
>
> Deems - - Just Hanging Out !\
>
>
> Do Not Archive !!!!!!!!
>
>
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| Subject: | When Do the Pieces Come Together? |
John,
You might also consider leaving the steps off until it gets out the doors
aswell. That is what I have had to do. You will notice that the baggage
floor and the baggage area side panels will cover up the area where you
insert the long bolt into the step mount, so even with an access panel in
the baggage floor, which will allow you to get a wrench in there, you might
not be able to insert the long bolt because the space is not big enough to
get the bolt into the receiver.
I made my baggage area side panels removable and drilled a hole in the
baggage floor right over the insert hole in the step's receiver. I'll remove
my side panels, insert the bolt through the hole in the floor and then get
the wrench in there through the access panel which I made.
If you haven't got to this par t of the build, save the email.
I don't think I could get the fuse with the cabin on out of my basement if
the steps are on.
John G.
>From: "John Testement" <jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: When Do the Pieces Come Together?
>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 18:26:40 -0500
>
>Bill,
>
>I am building in a basement with a French door. It is easy (relatively) to
>take the horizontal and vertical stabs on and off. I plan to keep mine off,
>move to the paint booth when the plane is mostly complete, and then to a
>hanger. I will probably have to take the gear legs off to get out the door.
>
>John Testement
>HYPERLINK "mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com"jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
>40321
>Richmond, VA
>FWF, engine, wiring
>do not archive
>
>
> _____
>
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Reining
>Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:42 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: When Do the Pieces Come Together?
>
>
>I am about to build a workshop and need to know how big to make it. Due to
>hillside property constraints, it will be long and narrow, with the doors
>on
>the long side. If Im not careful, I may not be able to get the fuselage
>back out again, once assembled. I guess I could sit down and read the
>plans
>from one end to the other, but thought the forum might produce answers more
>quickly, so here goes:
>
>
>Once all the individual pieces are assembled (e.g. vertical stab, horiz.
>stab. rudder, elevator, tail cone, wings, fuselage), in what order are they
>attached to one another? I assume the tail cone gets attached to the
>fuselage fairly soon, and then the cabin top, landing gear and engine.
>Obviously the wings arent attached until you are practically at the
>airport, but when must the vertical & horizontal stab and elevators be
>attached? Please understand the purpose of these questions is to
>maximize
>work performed inside, while still being able to get the finished
>contraption out the door (which will probably be a removable wall of the
>shop).
>
>
>Bill Reining (with my son Jon)
>
>40514 (tail cone)
>
>
>"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"http://www.matronics.com/Navig
>ator?RV10-List
>
>
>"http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
>--
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? |
I got both PCs and Mac and one of my G5's hardrives crashed two to three
months out of warranty.
Cha Ching$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Still love the Mac for the video editing, music and pictures.
wonder whether Deems will have to pay the handling fee on the re order.
Cha Ching$$
John G
Leaving work 4:50pm one hour commute. The family is at my wife's sister's
house and I hope to build tonight.
>From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer
>service?
>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 19:09:34 -0500
>
>
>Buy yourself a Mac and never talk to India again, ever!
>
>
>On Jan 3, 2007, at 5:02 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
>
>>
>>Just need to sound off!
>>
>>
>>After hassling/hurrying to get my gear leg fairings attached so that I
>>could mount my BPE IO540X. which has been sitting on my garage floor for
>>2 weeks. I got the hoist delivered, John Ackerman drove down from
>>Prescott to help with the 'Hanging' and about an hour into the process,
>>we both realized that VAN's sent the WRONG Lord mounts, They sent mounts
>>for a Continental 0-200 !!!!!!!!!!! After speaking to Van's and
>>correcting the error, I figured I'd salvage some of the day by rebuilding
>>my Wife's NEW HP Pavilion PC which didn't boot up on Christmas Day, after
>>spending 3 hours on the phone to India they sent a system restore disk to
>>reinstall the system, which arrived yesterday. I recontacted HP support
>>(India) per their instructions, went through another 30 minutes of
>>useless handshaking, only to find out they HAD SENT THE WRONG DISK.
>>However before they would send the correct disc, they wanted to rerun a
>>hard drive diagnostic, which takes 90 MINUTES to complete!!!! I explained
>>that I had been through this on the previous/initial call and had
>>successfully run this same diagnostic, with no errors reported and that
>>should have been captured in their log. !@$!#$#!@I
>>()@$%(@)(!$#@!#@)(!#@$)(!@^^&*&+*&%(_^$#%!$#%
>>
>>Piss on it. Her PC is going back to where it was purchased and will be
>>replace by either a Dell or Sony, HP's lost a customer, and Van's has
>>lost some of it's luster.
>>
>>Deems - - Just Hanging Out !\
>>
>>
>>Do Not Archive !!!!!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? |
Hey Allen, how bout them BRONCOS ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! :-)
Deems
BPA wrote:
>
>I can see it now "For Sale, RV-10 95% complete with PC computer" :)
>
>Allen
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
>Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 5:16 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with
>Customer service?
>
>
>Deems,
>Could be worse, your EFIS vendor could have closed their doors like
>mine. ;-)
>
>Larry
>do not archive
>
>John Gonzalez wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
><indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
>
>>I wouldn't even touch your plane with the luck you are having. Run
>>away from it as fast as you can. Chill out and go for a walk with the
>>dog.
>>
>>Dell is not much better so maybe Sony is better.
>>
>>Is Van's selling O-200 for their 12.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with
>>>Customer service?
>>>Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:02:30 -0700
>>>
>>>
>>>Just need to sound off!
>>>
>>>
>>>After hassling/hurrying to get my gear leg fairings attached so that
>>>I could mount my BPE IO540X. which has been sitting on my garage
>>>floor for 2 weeks. I got the hoist delivered, John Ackerman drove
>>>down from Prescott to help with the 'Hanging' and about an hour into
>>>the process, we both realized that VAN's sent the WRONG Lord mounts,
>>>They sent mounts for a Continental 0-200 !!!!!!!!!!! After speaking
>>>to Van's and correcting the error, I figured I'd salvage some of the
>>>day by rebuilding my Wife's NEW HP Pavilion PC which didn't boot up
>>>on Christmas Day, after spending 3 hours on the phone to India they
>>>sent a system restore disk to reinstall the system, which arrived
>>>yesterday. I recontacted HP support (India) per their instructions,
>>>went through another 30 minutes of useless handshaking, only to find
>>>out they HAD SENT THE WRONG DISK. However before they would send the
>>>correct disc, they wanted to rerun a hard drive diagnostic, which
>>>takes 90 MINUTES to complete!!!! I explained that I had been through
>>>this on the previous/initial call and had successfully run this same
>>>diagnostic, with no errors reported and that should have been
>>>captured in their log.
>>>!@$!#$#!@I()@$%(@)(!$#@!#@)(!#@$)(!@^^&*&+*&%(_^$#%!$#%
>>>
>>>Piss on it. Her PC is going back to where it was purchased and will
>>>be replace by either a Dell or Sony, HP's lost a customer, and Van's
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>has lost some of it's luster.
>>>
>>>Deems - - Just Hanging Out !\
>>>
>>>
>>>Do Not Archive !!!!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Oil Cooler Bracket |
Got mine last week. Flange was welded on but it sure was a bear to rivet to
the firewall.
Rob Wright
#392
Fuse and Misc
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:06 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Cooler Bracket
I have a question for those who have received FWF kits recently. In the
attached picture you can see the oil cooler bracket that I am working on.
Notice anything missing? Van's sent this to me, but it doesn't have the
flange for the scat tube. Is it possible that they have modified the plans
and we are supposed to rivet on a flange like goes on the baffles? In the
past it had the flange welded to the bracket.
Anybody else seen this? I am going to call Van's, but they haven't opened
yet.
Thanks. Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: When Do the Pieces Come Together? |
We built ours in my oversized single stall garage.
Rough dimensions were 13X26 ft with a 10X10 ft work
area in the front. The door is 8ft by 6'6" high. We
kept the fuselage on temporary gear for as long as we
could and had to slide it out the door with the main
wheels off. Many pieces were fitted and then removed
to be reinstalled later. For example we used a nice
summer day to push the tail out the door to mount the
VS and HS. Final assembly is taking place in a hangar
at the airport. We have pictures if you have a
specific question I could answer.
Jerry Petersen
40373
--- Bill Reining <wreining@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am about to build a workshop and need to know how
> big to make it. Due to
> hillside property constraints, it will be long and
> narrow, with the doors on
> the long side. If I'm not careful, I may not be
> able to get the fuselage
> back out again, once assembled. I guess I could sit
> down and read the plans
> from one end to the other, but thought the forum
> might produce answers more
> quickly, so here goes:
>
>
>
> Once all the individual "pieces" are assembled (e.g.
> vertical stab, horiz.
> stab. rudder, elevator, tail cone, wings, fuselage),
> in what order are they
> attached to one another? I assume the tail cone
> gets attached to the
> fuselage fairly soon, and then the cabin top,
> landing gear and engine.
> Obviously the wings aren't attached until you are
> practically at the
> airport, but when must the vertical & horizontal
> stab and elevators be
> attached? Please understand the purpose of these
> questions is to maximize
> work performed inside, while still being able to get
> the finished
> contraption out the door (which will probably be a
> removable wall of the
> shop).
>
>
>
> Bill Reining (with my son Jon)
>
> 40514 (tail cone)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Installing elevators and rudders |
We made similar pins with just a simple 90 degree
bend. We found ourselves using them often for other
alignments as well.
Jerry Petersen
40373
--- Wayne Edgerton <wayne.e@grandecom.net> wrote:
> I am just finishing up installing my elevators and
> rudder and a fellow RV10 builder, Ron Grover, on the
> field where I'm at, Prop Wash Justin, TX, gave me a
> great tip and the loan of his tool that really made
> the job much easer. Actually Ron came over and help
> me install the elevators. Boy it's really nice to
> have someone help you that's done something before
> you. Ron has a beautiful RV8 he built and is working
> on his 10.
>
> Anyway the tool that Ron loaned me, see attachment
> 1-2-07-1, is for inserting temporarily in the attach
> brackets to hold the elevator or the rudder in place
> until you can get the bolt installed. I just put my
> hand in the picture as a reference to their size I
> can't remember off hand but I think he said he got
> them at Aircraft Spruce?. I've also attached a photo
> of them installed on the rudder if you're able to
> zoom in a little to see them.Probably everyone
> already knows about these tools except me :>} I've
> also attached the finished product 1-2-07-2. It
> obviously works the same way on the elevators.
>
> I've now got the elevators and rudder generally
> installed I just need to make the final touches.
>
> For what ever it's worth
>
> Wayne Edgerton #40336
>
> Trying to get this thing finished and start flying
> if the vendors will just start co-operating :>}
> Props been delayed AGAIN
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| Subject: | Re: When Do the Pieces Come Together? |
Jerry,
Because or support columns in my 3 car garage, I will need to reorient
my fuselage to sit in one of the car bays. It is only 20 feet long, so
I will need to build a temporary extension. I was hoping to extend it
by 4 feet. Making it 24 feet long.. Would 24' give me enough length to
mount the engine, prop, and spinner onto the fuse (everything less
wings, vertical stab and horizontal stab) and still be able to walk
around the front?
Larry Rosen
#356
jerry petersen wrote:
>
> We built ours in my oversized single stall garage.
> Rough dimensions were 13X26 ft with a 10X10 ft work
> area in the front. The door is 8ft by 6'6" high. We
> kept the fuselage on temporary gear for as long as we
> could and had to slide it out the door with the main
> wheels off. Many pieces were fitted and then removed
> to be reinstalled later. For example we used a nice
> summer day to push the tail out the door to mount the
> VS and HS. Final assembly is taking place in a hangar
> at the airport. We have pictures if you have a
> specific question I could answer.
>
> Jerry Petersen
> 40373
> --- Bill Reining <wreining@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I am about to build a workshop and need to know how
>> big to make it. Due to
>> hillside property constraints, it will be long and
>> narrow, with the doors on
>> the long side. If I'm not careful, I may not be
>> able to get the fuselage
>> back out again, once assembled. I guess I could sit
>> down and read the plans
>> from one end to the other, but thought the forum
>> might produce answers more
>> quickly, so here goes:
>>
>>
>>
>> Once all the individual "pieces" are assembled (e.g.
>> vertical stab, horiz.
>> stab. rudder, elevator, tail cone, wings, fuselage),
>> in what order are they
>> attached to one another? I assume the tail cone
>> gets attached to the
>> fuselage fairly soon, and then the cabin top,
>> landing gear and engine.
>> Obviously the wings aren't attached until you are
>> practically at the
>> airport, but when must the vertical & horizontal
>> stab and elevators be
>> attached? Please understand the purpose of these
>> questions is to maximize
>> work performed inside, while still being able to get
>> the finished
>> contraption out the door (which will probably be a
>> removable wall of the
>> shop).
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill Reining (with my son Jon)
>>
>> 40514 (tail cone)
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? |
Yeah, that puts my whining in perspective !
Deems
O:-) think Op Tech
Larry Rosen wrote:
>
> Deems,
> Could be worse, your EFIS vendor could have closed their doors like
> mine. ;-)
>
> Larry
> do not archive
>
> John Gonzalez wrote:
>
>> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>
>> I wouldn't even touch your plane with the luck you are having. Run
>> away from it as fast as you can. Chill out and go for a walk with the
>> dog.
>>
>> Dell is not much better so maybe Sony is better.
>>
>> Is Van's selling O-200 for their 12.
>>
>>
>>> From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with
>>> Customer service?
>>> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:02:30 -0700
>>>
>>>
>>> Just need to sound off!
>>>
>>>
>>> After hassling/hurrying to get my gear leg fairings attached so that
>>> I could mount my BPE IO540X. which has been sitting on my garage
>>> floor for 2 weeks. I got the hoist delivered, John Ackerman drove
>>> down from Prescott to help with the 'Hanging' and about an hour into
>>> the process, we both realized that VAN's sent the WRONG Lord mounts,
>>> They sent mounts for a Continental 0-200 !!!!!!!!!!! After speaking
>>> to Van's and correcting the error, I figured I'd salvage some of the
>>> day by rebuilding my Wife's NEW HP Pavilion PC which didn't boot up
>>> on Christmas Day, after spending 3 hours on the phone to India they
>>> sent a system restore disk to reinstall the system, which arrived
>>> yesterday. I recontacted HP support (India) per their instructions,
>>> went through another 30 minutes of useless handshaking, only to find
>>> out they HAD SENT THE WRONG DISK. However before they would send the
>>> correct disc, they wanted to rerun a hard drive diagnostic, which
>>> takes 90 MINUTES to complete!!!! I explained that I had been through
>>> this on the previous/initial call and had successfully run this same
>>> diagnostic, with no errors reported and that should have been
>>> captured in their log.
>>> !@$!#$#!@I()@$%(@)(!$#@!#@)(!#@$)(!@^^&*&+*&%(_^$#%!$#%
>>>
>>> Piss on it. Her PC is going back to where it was purchased and will
>>> be replace by either a Dell or Sony, HP's lost a customer, and
>>> Van's has lost some of it's luster.
>>>
>>> Deems - - Just Hanging Out !\
>>>
>>>
>>> Do Not Archive !!!!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? |
Yep.....Boise State played & won a GREAT game......Undefeated...Played to
WIN...a loss was not an option.
KABONG Do Not Archive 8*)
----- Original Message -----
>
> Hey Allen, how bout them BRONCOS ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! :-)
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| Subject: | Re: When Do the Pieces Come Together? |
Nice to know that I'm not the only one building in my basement.
Thanks for the tip on the step bolt insert hole. I saw that on another 10 in
Bend, Or. last weekend.
I appreciate these great ideas? The littlest idea can sometimes help a big
group of builders.
Storage of big parts almost complete, now it's back to building.
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450 fuselage
Portland, OR 97219
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: When Do the Pieces Come Together?
>
> John,
>
> You might also consider leaving the steps off until it gets out the doors
> aswell. That is what I have had to do. You will notice that the baggage
> floor and the baggage area side panels will cover up the area where you
> insert the long bolt into the step mount, so even with an access panel in
> the baggage floor, which will allow you to get a wrench in there, you
> might not be able to insert the long bolt because the space is not big
> enough to get the bolt into the receiver.
>
> I made my baggage area side panels removable and drilled a hole in the
> baggage floor right over the insert hole in the step's receiver. I'll
> remove my side panels, insert the bolt through the hole in the floor and
> then get the wrench in there through the access panel which I made.
>
> If you haven't got to this par t of the build, save the email.
>
> I don't think I could get the fuse with the cabin on out of my basement if
> the steps are on.
>
> John G.
>
>
>>From: "John Testement" <jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: When Do the Pieces Come Together?
>>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 18:26:40 -0500
>>
>>Bill,
>>
>>I am building in a basement with a French door. It is easy (relatively) to
>>take the horizontal and vertical stabs on and off. I plan to keep mine
>>off,
>>move to the paint booth when the plane is mostly complete, and then to a
>>hanger. I will probably have to take the gear legs off to get out the
>>door.
>>
>>John Testement
>>HYPERLINK "mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com"jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
>>40321
>>Richmond, VA
>>FWF, engine, wiring
>>do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Reining
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:42 PM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RV10-List: When Do the Pieces Come Together?
>>
>>
>>
>>I am about to build a workshop and need to know how big to make it. Due
>>to
>>hillside property constraints, it will be long and narrow, with the doors
>>on
>>the long side. If I'm not careful, I may not be able to get the fuselage
>>back out again, once assembled. I guess I could sit down and read the
>>plans
>>from one end to the other, but thought the forum might produce answers
>>more
>>quickly, so here goes:
>>
>>
>>
>>Once all the individual "pieces" are assembled (e.g. vertical stab, horiz.
>>stab. rudder, elevator, tail cone, wings, fuselage), in what order are
>>they
>>attached to one another? I assume the tail cone gets attached to the
>>fuselage fairly soon, and then the cabin top, landing gear and engine.
>>Obviously the wings aren't attached until you are practically at the
>>airport, but when must the vertical & horizontal stab and elevators be
>>attached? Please understand the purpose of these questions is to
>>maximize
>>work performed inside, while still being able to get the finished
>>contraption out the door (which will probably be a removable wall of the
>>shop).
>>
>>
>>
>>Bill Reining (with my son Jon)
>>
>>40514 (tail cone)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>ator?RV10-List
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