---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/03/07: 37 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:11 AM - Re: New Design Brake Pedals and Stainless Brake Lines (Wayne Edgerton) 2. 07:01 AM - Re: riveting forward fuse panel area (Ted French) 3. 07:06 AM - Oil Cooler Bracket (Jesse Saint) 4. 07:08 AM - Wheel Pant Spacer Bolts Breaking (Russell Daves) 5. 07:20 AM - Re: ELT? 406 vs 121.5 (GRANSCOTT@aol.com) 6. 07:24 AM - Re: Oil Cooler Bracket (Tim Olson) 7. 07:36 AM - You are a experimental airplane builder if. (Phillips, Jack) 8. 07:40 AM - Re: Oil Cooler Bracket (Jesse Saint) 9. 07:43 AM - Re: Oil Cooler Bracket (Deems Davis) 10. 08:48 AM - Battery wiring (John Gonzalez) 11. 09:31 AM - Re: Battery wiring (John Testement) 12. 10:18 AM - Re: Battery wiring (John Gonzalez) 13. 10:31 AM - Re: ELT? 406 vs 121.5 (Eric Panning) 14. 10:42 AM - When Do the Pieces Come Together? (Bill Reining) 15. 11:01 AM - Re: New Design Brake Pedals and Stainless Brake Lines (Dave Hertner) 16. 11:12 AM - Re: When Do the Pieces Come Together? (Tim Olson) 17. 11:18 AM - Re: When Do the Pieces Come Together? (Jerry Grimmonpre) 18. 12:02 PM - Re: Installing elevators and rudders (Jon Reining) 19. 02:05 PM - Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? (Deems Davis) 20. 02:12 PM - Re: Wheel Pant Spacer Bolts Breaking (Marcus Cooper) 21. 02:31 PM - Avionics Escrow (gary) 22. 02:40 PM - Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? (John Gonzalez) 23. 03:16 PM - Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? (Larry Rosen) 24. 03:21 PM - Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? (Deems Davis) 25. 03:25 PM - Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? (BPA) 26. 03:27 PM - Re: When Do the Pieces Come Together? (John Testement) 27. 04:10 PM - Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? (Rob Kermanj) 28. 04:47 PM - Re: When Do the Pieces Come Together? (John Gonzalez) 29. 04:54 PM - Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? (John Gonzalez) 30. 06:35 PM - Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? (Deems Davis) 31. 07:09 PM - Re: Oil Cooler Bracket (Rob Wright) 32. 07:17 PM - Re: When Do the Pieces Come Together? (jerry petersen) 33. 07:36 PM - Re: Installing elevators and rudders (jerry petersen) 34. 08:03 PM - Re: When Do the Pieces Come Together? (Larry Rosen) 35. 08:03 PM - Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? (Deems Davis) 36. 08:38 PM - Re: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? (JOHN STARN) 37. 10:30 PM - Re: When Do the Pieces Come Together? (Paul Grimstad) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:17 AM PST US From: "Wayne Edgerton" Subject: Re: RV10-List: New Design Brake Pedals and Stainless Brake Lines Dave, I'm interested. I assume if I receive it and it's not what I thought it would be I would be able to return it. Wayne Edgerton 40336 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:29 AM PST US From: "Ted French" Subject: RE: RV10-List: riveting forward fuse panel area Why not rivit it in place but leave the top skin off. Thats what I did and it sure made it easy to do all the wiring and mounting of the behind the panel stuff. My panel is removeable, so the last thing will be to install it. It's already been in and out a half dozen times. Do Not Archive Ted French C-FXCS reserved pre-paint prep -----Original Message----- From: Chris Johnston [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris Johnston Sent: January 2, 2007 6:24 PM Subject: RV10-List: riveting forward fuse panel area hey all - i have many questions!!! I'm now in week 2 of my vacation - been home working on the airplane the whole time... I've just finished the flap actuation section, and I'm into the panel area. I haven't really finalized my panel layout, or even which type of panel (aluminum or fiberglass) I'm going with. Question - Am I a fool to rivet the upper forward fuselage section to the aircraft? Is it really that tough to install the panel if you've done this already? I won't be able to move on if i don't rivet it on, but I don't want to hose myself. also, in this section, you're supposed to rivet on some hinges for the cowl. I'm using camlocs, but I haven't received them yet. should I just leave the rivets out of the firewall flange for now? I'm kinda lost here... it seems like you need the engine on before you can mount the camlocs right? or do you mount the receptacles now, and do the rest when you're doing the cowl? what the heck? thanks in advance! cj #40410 (con)fuse(d) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:18 AM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RV10-List: Oil Cooler Bracket I have a question for those who have received FWF kits recently. In the attached picture you can see the oil cooler bracket that I am working on. Notice anything missing? Van's sent this to me, but it doesn't have the flange for the scat tube. Is it possible that they have modified the plans and we are supposed to rivet on a flange like goes on the baffles? In the past it had the flange welded to the bracket. Anybody else seen this? I am going to call Van's, but they haven't opened yet. Thanks. Do not archive. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:02 AM PST US From: "Russell Daves" Subject: RV10-List: Wheel Pant Spacer Bolts Breaking As I previously posted, my right main gear leg bolt, AN6A where it goes into U1004B extension (page 46-5 figure 2) broke off and the landings have not been hard at all. Since then my left bolt also broke with resulting significant damage to the wheel pant. I had thought the problem with the bolts breaking was probably a vibration issue, and after the second bolt break I consulted with another RV builder, A&P, and Machinist and we both decided that the problem was that the Van's supplied U1004B extension spacer was not big around enough where it bolted onto the axle hub nut and the large wheel pant was experiencing some in flight vibration causing the U1004B to flex up and down ever so slightly against the axle hub nut resulting in a stress fatigue fracture of the AN6A bolt even with the attachment point of the U1004B to the axle hub nut. We redesigned the U1004B extension spacer so that where it butted against the axle hub nut and the large washer fiberglassed into the wheel pant could not flex up and down. Pictures of the Van's supplied U1004B extension spacer (top) and the newly designed spacer (bottom) can be viewed at: http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wheelpantspacer3bz6.png In addition I also posted a picture of the new extension spacer mounted on the wheel at: http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wheelpantspacermountedrl3.png Best regards, Russ Daves N710RV - First Flight 7/28/06 - 95+ hours N65RV - RV-6A Sold RV-8 under construction ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:02 AM PST US From: GRANSCOTT@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: ELT? 406 vs 121.5 Effective Jan 1 07 boaters are no longer authorized to use 121.5 beacons; this should take down the amount of false beacon reports...but I'm sure many boaters will continue to turn on their beacon accidentally and many will continue to be 121.5... Eric, even if the beacon is located near an airport, AFRCC does not ignore it, they will call the local airport owner/tower etc., and also the local CAP ES officer to investigate after two rotations...been on a number of these false beacons in parked aircraft, one was on the local hospital helo pad--hard landing set it off and it was so foggy the crew could not get back to base but we got called out and found the hot ELT... AFRCC does not know if the plane/boat/personal EPRB is in a hangar, driveway, tied down or just crashed near the airport. Please keep in mind that most off field landing happen within 5 nm radius of airports. With the accuracy of the current 121.5 system and even the newer GPS units investigations will continue to be called but hopefully with a little more accuracy. Also keep in mind that many ELT's do not activate due to a number of reasons after an impact..poor power, antenna crushed, etc. So continue to file before your flights or at least let someone know you're flying and where you're headed incase you become over due. P ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:50 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil Cooler Bracket Did they at least include the flange? If not, then I'm sure it's just a defect. If so, perhaps it can be riveted and sealed. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Jesse Saint wrote: > I have a question for those who have received FWF kits recently. In the > attached picture you can see the oil cooler bracket that I am working > on. Notice anything missing? Vans sent this to me, but it doesnt > have the flange for the scat tube. Is it possible that they have > modified the plans and we are supposed to rivet on a flange like goes on > the baffles? In the past it had the flange welded to the bracket. > > > > Anybody else seen this? I am going to call Vans, but they havent > opened yet. > > > > Thanks. Do not archive. > > > > Jesse Saint > > I-TEC, Inc. > > jesse@itecusa.org > > www.itecusa.org > > Cell: 352-427-0285 > > Fax: 815-377-3694 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:48 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: You are a experimental airplane builder if. From: "Phillips, Jack" Just came across this on another list, had to share it. You're an experimental airplane builder if... - You have ever had a conversation involving the words "mil-spec" and "AN." - The majority of your tools aren't available at Sears. - You always have fresh scars on your hands, even though you have a desk job. - People ask if you have a hobby and their follow up question is "are you nuts?" - You have at least 15 unfinished projects that aren't airplanes. - Your first reaction when purchasing any non-food item is "I can build that." - Your first reaction when purchasing any food item is "I gotta get some beer to go with that." - You know what Oshkosh is and where to find it. - You know that Alodine is not a place in Texas. - Someone says "hey look a Moose" and you look up in the sky. - You can't look at anything mechanical without thinking of a way to "improve" the design. - Cleveland is a brand, not a place in Ohio. - You'll pay hundreds of dollars to save two pounds in avionics, but you're 20 lbs overweight and somehow that's OK. - When people ask what you got for Christmas you have to explain what it is. - A dragon fly isn't an insect. - You know who Burt Rutan is and you think sideburns are kinda cool. - A lay up has nothing to do with basketball. - You haven't parked your car in your garage in years. Jack Phillips _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:19 AM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Cooler Bracket The didn't include anything else. I have an e-mail in to them. Bruce in tech support said it is probably a manufacturing defect, but "I don't know much about parts" was his comment. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:25 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil Cooler Bracket Did they at least include the flange? If not, then I'm sure it's just a defect. If so, perhaps it can be riveted and sealed. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Jesse Saint wrote: > I have a question for those who have received FWF kits recently. In the > attached picture you can see the oil cooler bracket that I am working > on. Notice anything missing? Van's sent this to me, but it doesn't > have the flange for the scat tube. Is it possible that they have > modified the plans and we are supposed to rivet on a flange like goes on > the baffles? In the past it had the flange welded to the bracket. > > > > Anybody else seen this? I am going to call Van's, but they haven't > opened yet. > > > > Thanks. Do not archive. > > > > Jesse Saint > > I-TEC, Inc. > > jesse@itecusa.org > > www.itecusa.org > > Cell: 352-427-0285 > > Fax: 815-377-3694 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- 2:58 PM ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:37 AM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil Cooler Bracket Jesse, I received mine recently and the scat tube ring is attached and it's not riveted but welded (tack) to the oil cooler bracket. Deems Davis # 406 Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! ) http://deemsrv10.com/ Mounting engine today !!!!!!! Jesse Saint wrote: > I have a question for those who have received FWF kits recently. In > the attached picture you can see the oil cooler bracket that I am > working on. Notice anything missing? Vans sent this to me, but it > doesnt have the flange for the scat tube. Is it possible that they > have modified the plans and we are supposed to rivet on a flange like > goes on the baffles? In the past it had the flange welded to the bracket. > > Anybody else seen this? I am going to call Vans, but they havent > opened yet. > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:14 AM PST US From: "John Gonzalez" Subject: RV10-List: Battery wiring Can anyone that is near completion or has completed the plane tell me were the battery cable goes once it is infront of the front seats. Does the cable stay along the side and avoid interfering with the rudder pedals and goes up into the upper consol or do they drop below into the space between the real floor and the floor beneath the pedals/ Thanks John G ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:17 AM PST US From: "John Testement" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Battery wiring The battery cable goes along the left side of the plane up to and through the firewall. Vans electrical installation instructions (comes with the wiring kit) has the cable go through right at the very edge of the firewall below the starter contactor. John Testement jwt@roadmapscoaching.com 40321 Richmond, VA FWF, engine, wiring do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:47 AM Subject: RV10-List: Battery wiring --> Can anyone that is near completion or has completed the plane tell me were the battery cable goes once it is infront of the front seats. Does the cable stay along the side and avoid interfering with the rudder pedals and goes up into the upper consol or do they drop below into the space between the real floor and the floor beneath the pedals/ Thanks John G -- -- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:39 AM PST US From: "John Gonzalez" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Battery wiring So basically it just keeps running straight until it hits the firewall. Does that mean that holes need to be drilled in the "J" type bulkhead (vertically placed skin stiffner)that is right next to the rudder pedal. I am not planning on cutting anything or drilling anything in this area because I'm not needing to now, but trying to get a mental image of where everthing is going. I've got fat cable on right and left sides of the fuse for dual batteries. I've had a difficult time finding pictures on builders web sites and seeing what I am looking for. John G. Do Not Archive >From: "John Testement" >To: >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Battery wiring >Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 12:30:44 -0500 > > > >The battery cable goes along the left side of the plane up to and through >the firewall. Vans electrical installation instructions (comes with the >wiring kit) has the cable go through right at the very edge of the firewall >below the starter contactor. > >John Testement >jwt@roadmapscoaching.com >40321 >Richmond, VA >FWF, engine, wiring >do not archive > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez >Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:47 AM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: Battery wiring > >--> > >Can anyone that is near completion or has completed the plane tell me were >the battery cable goes once it is infront of the front seats. Does the >cable >stay along the side and avoid interfering with the rudder pedals and goes >up >into the upper consol or do they drop below into the space between the real >floor and the floor beneath the pedals/ > >Thanks > >John G > > >-- > > >-- > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:29 AM PST US From: Eric Panning Subject: Re: RV10-List: ELT? 406 vs 121.5 Hi, Thanks for the info. Do you have more details or a story of an off airport ELT at a crash site? I suspect many are interested in the process. I recall the numbers were 94% airports and ~ 3% for boats, etc. Marine ELT's don't have a shock sensor so I suspect the false rate is lower as a result. Didn't know about the expiration date for Marine, thanks. How long for 2 rotations? I'm sorry if I implied that a search would not be instigated for an ELT near an airport. It does sound like it would take awhile to spin up a full search unless they had more specific info (like flight plan, or ground report of crash, overdue, etc). Have you taken part in any 406 ELT searches? Is the procedure different? Thanks! Eric --- GRANSCOTT@aol.com wrote: > Effective Jan 1 07 boaters are no longer authorized > to use 121.5 beacons; > this should take down the amount of false beacon > reports...but I'm sure many > boaters will continue to turn on their beacon > accidentally and many will > continue to be 121.5... > > Eric, even if the beacon is located near an airport, > AFRCC does not ignore > it, they will call the local airport owner/tower > etc., and also the local CAP > ES officer to investigate after two > rotations...been on a number of these > false beacons in parked aircraft, one was on the > local hospital helo pad--hard > landing set it off and it was so foggy the crew > could not get back to base but > we got called out and found the hot ELT... AFRCC > does not know if the > plane/boat/personal EPRB is in a hangar, driveway, > tied down or just crashed near > the airport. > > Please keep in mind that most off field landing > happen within 5 nm radius of > airports. With the accuracy of the current 121.5 > system and even the newer > GPS units investigations will continue to be called > but hopefully with a > little more accuracy. Also keep in mind that many > ELT's do not activate due to a > number of reasons after an impact..poor power, > antenna crushed, etc. So > continue to file before your flights or at least let > someone know you're flying > and where you're headed incase you become over due. > > P > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:42 AM PST US From: "Bill Reining" Subject: RV10-List: When Do the Pieces Come Together? I am about to build a workshop and need to know how big to make it. Due to hillside property constraints, it will be long and narrow, with the doors on the long side. If I'm not careful, I may not be able to get the fuselage back out again, once assembled. I guess I could sit down and read the plans from one end to the other, but thought the forum might produce answers more quickly, so here goes: Once all the individual "pieces" are assembled (e.g. vertical stab, horiz. stab. rudder, elevator, tail cone, wings, fuselage), in what order are they attached to one another? I assume the tail cone gets attached to the fuselage fairly soon, and then the cabin top, landing gear and engine. Obviously the wings aren't attached until you are practically at the airport, but when must the vertical & horizontal stab and elevators be attached? Please understand the purpose of these questions is to maximize work performed inside, while still being able to get the finished contraption out the door (which will probably be a removable wall of the shop). Bill Reining (with my son Jon) 40514 (tail cone) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:16 AM PST US From: "Dave Hertner" Subject: Re: RV10-List: New Design Brake Pedals and Stainless Brake Lines Wayne, The customer has to be happy or there is no point in offering it for sale. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Edgerton To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:10 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: New Design Brake Pedals and Stainless Brake Lines Dave, I'm interested. I assume if I receive it and it's not what I thought it would be I would be able to return it. Wayne Edgerton 40336 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 03/01/2007 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:33 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: When Do the Pieces Come Together? Bill, I don't think it's really too big a worry for you. The reason being that you really don't need to do any permanent assembly of the "winged" parts until you're ready for final assembly. You will want to test fit the wings and drill the rear spar and stuff like that, but that's only maybe 2 hours max...and you can pull it outside for that amount of time. Assembling the tail you put on the HS, VS, Elevators, and Rudder, basically in that order. You don't need to do much with them until final assembly again though. At most, just a quick assembly of the HS and VS so you can do the intersection fairing for a couple hours. So, just plan to build all the parts and not do much with them until you have to. The tailcone to fuselage is a little sooner than the others, as you've noticed. But, if you have a long area, then you're fine. If you have 20' x 6', you could in theory work on the fuse with tailcone. More than that and you're good to go. Push it to 22' or 23' long when you get the engine on and you're still fine. The hardest part, as you've noticed, is getting it out the door, if it's on the side of the shop. You may end up even busting a wall unless you can put a hole in one end of the building. Other than that, you probably will have no problem. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying Bill Reining wrote: > I am about to build a workshop and need to know how big to make it. Due > to hillside property constraints, it will be long and narrow, with the > doors on the long side. If Im not careful, I may not be able to get > the fuselage back out again, once assembled. I guess I could sit down > and read the plans from one end to the other, but thought the forum > might produce answers more quickly, so here goes: > > > > Once all the individual pieces are assembled (e.g. vertical stab, > horiz. stab. rudder, elevator, tail cone, wings, fuselage), in what > order are they attached to one another? I assume the tail cone gets > attached to the fuselage fairly soon, and then the cabin top, landing > gear and engine. Obviously the wings arent attached until you are > practically at the airport, but when must the vertical & horizontal stab > and elevators be attached? Please understand the purpose of these > questions is to maximize work performed inside, while still being able > to get the finished contraption out the door (which will probably be a > removable wall of the shop). > > > > Bill Reining (with my son Jon) > > 40514 (tail cone) > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:46 AM PST US From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" Subject: Re: RV10-List: When Do the Pieces Come Together? Bill ... I once saw a small hangar with twin 16 foot wide overhead doors side by side. There was a post between the two doors that tilted up out of the way to provide a clear span of over 32 feet. Something for possibility thinking. The two doors could be only 10 feet wide each if they served the need. Just my two cents worth ... Jerry Grimmonpre' RV4 flying RV8A wires Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Reining To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:42 PM Subject: RV10-List: When Do the Pieces Come Together? I am about to build a workshop and need to know how big to make it. Due to hillside property constraints, it will be long and narrow, with the doors on the long side. If I'm not careful, I may not be able to get the fuselage back out again, once assembled. I guess I could sit down and read the plans from one end to the other, but thought the forum might produce answers more quickly, so here goes: Once all the individual "pieces" are assembled (e.g. vertical stab, horiz. stab. rudder, elevator, tail cone, wings, fuselage), in what order are they attached to one another? I assume the tail cone gets attached to the fuselage fairly soon, and then the cabin top, landing gear and engine. Obviously the wings aren't attached until you are practically at the airport, but when must the vertical & horizontal stab and elevators be attached? Please understand the purpose of these questions is to maximize work performed inside, while still being able to get the finished contraption out the door (which will probably be a removable wall of the shop). Bill Reining (with my son Jon) 40514 (tail cone) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:36 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Installing elevators and rudders From: "Jon Reining" Wayne - that looks like an air scoop at the base of your vertical stabilizer. What have you got going on there? Jon Reining (with my dad Bill) 40514 tailcone do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85230#85230 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:25 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? Just need to sound off! After hassling/hurrying to get my gear leg fairings attached so that I could mount my BPE IO540X. which has been sitting on my garage floor for 2 weeks. I got the hoist delivered, John Ackerman drove down from Prescott to help with the 'Hanging' and about an hour into the process, we both realized that VAN's sent the WRONG Lord mounts, They sent mounts for a Continental 0-200 !!!!!!!!!!! After speaking to Van's and correcting the error, I figured I'd salvage some of the day by rebuilding my Wife's NEW HP Pavilion PC which didn't boot up on Christmas Day, after spending 3 hours on the phone to India they sent a system restore disk to reinstall the system, which arrived yesterday. I recontacted HP support (India) per their instructions, went through another 30 minutes of useless handshaking, only to find out they HAD SENT THE WRONG DISK. However before they would send the correct disc, they wanted to rerun a hard drive diagnostic, which takes 90 MINUTES to complete!!!! I explained that I had been through this on the previous/initial call and had successfully run this same diagnostic, with no errors reported and that should have been captured in their log. !@$!#$#!@I()@$%(@)(!$#@!#@)(!#@$)(!@^^&*&+*&%(_^$#%!$#% Piss on it. Her PC is going back to where it was purchased and will be replace by either a Dell or Sony, HP's lost a customer, and Van's has lost some of it's luster. Deems - - Just Hanging Out !\ Do Not Archive !!!!!!!! ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:30 PM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wheel Pant Spacer Bolts Breaking Russ, Pretty impressive machine work. One question, what is the flat spot in the middle for? Thanks, Marcus Do not archive _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Daves Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: RV10-List: Wheel Pant Spacer Bolts Breaking As I previously posted, my right main gear leg bolt, AN6A where it goes into U1004B extension (page 46-5 figure 2) broke off and the landings have not been hard at all. Since then my left bolt also broke with resulting significant damage to the wheel pant. I had thought the problem with the bolts breaking was probably a vibration issue, and after the second bolt break I consulted with another RV builder, A&P, and Machinist and we both decided that the problem was that the Van's supplied U1004B extension spacer was not big around enough where it bolted onto the axle hub nut and the large wheel pant was experiencing some in flight vibration causing the U1004B to flex up and down ever so slightly against the axle hub nut resulting in a stress fatigue fracture of the AN6A bolt even with the attachment point of the U1004B to the axle hub nut. We redesigned the U1004B extension spacer so that where it butted against the axle hub nut and the large washer fiberglassed into the wheel pant could not flex up and down. Pictures of the Van's supplied U1004B extension spacer (top) and the newly designed spacer (bottom) can be viewed at: http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wheelpantspacer3bz6.png In addition I also posted a picture of the new extension spacer mounted on the wheel at: http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wheelpantspacermountedrl3.png Best regards, Russ Daves N710RV - First Flight 7/28/06 - 95+ hours N65RV - RV-6A Sold RV-8 under construction ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:27 PM PST US From: "gary" Subject: RV10-List: Avionics Escrow In light of the recent Chelton/Direct to Avionics mess and past kit manufactures bankrupsies, I called AOPA Escrow services and inquired about them holding funds until the avionics manufacture delivered. They can do that for any builder who doesn't want to send money direct. The rules of when the money is dispersed is negotiated between the parties before any money is sent. Looks like good protection for those who want it. Gary 40274 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:51 PM PST US From: "John Gonzalez" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? I wouldn't even touch your plane with the luck you are having. Run away from it as fast as you can. Chill out and go for a walk with the dog. Dell is not much better so maybe Sony is better. Is Van's selling O-200 for their 12. >From: Deems Davis >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer >service? >Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:02:30 -0700 > > >Just need to sound off! > > >After hassling/hurrying to get my gear leg fairings attached so that I >could mount my BPE IO540X. which has been sitting on my garage floor for 2 >weeks. I got the hoist delivered, John Ackerman drove down from Prescott >to help with the 'Hanging' and about an hour into the process, we both >realized that VAN's sent the WRONG Lord mounts, They sent mounts for a >Continental 0-200 !!!!!!!!!!! After speaking to Van's and correcting the >error, I figured I'd salvage some of the day by rebuilding my Wife's NEW HP >Pavilion PC which didn't boot up on Christmas Day, after spending 3 hours >on the phone to India they sent a system restore disk to reinstall the >system, which arrived yesterday. I recontacted HP support (India) per their >instructions, went through another 30 minutes of useless handshaking, only >to find out they HAD SENT THE WRONG DISK. However before they would send >the correct disc, they wanted to rerun a hard drive diagnostic, which takes >90 MINUTES to complete!!!! I explained that I had been through this on the >previous/initial call and had successfully run this same diagnostic, with >no errors reported and that should have been captured in their log. >!@$!#$#!@I()@$%(@)(!$#@!#@)(!#@$)(!@^^&*&+*&%(_^$#%!$#% > >Piss on it. Her PC is going back to where it was purchased and will be >replace by either a Dell or Sony, HP's lost a customer, and Van's has lost >some of it's luster. > >Deems - - Just Hanging Out !\ > > >Do Not Archive !!!!!!!! > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:33 PM PST US From: Larry Rosen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? Deems, Could be worse, your EFIS vendor could have closed their doors like mine. ;-) Larry do not archive John Gonzalez wrote: > > I wouldn't even touch your plane with the luck you are having. Run > away from it as fast as you can. Chill out and go for a walk with the > dog. > > Dell is not much better so maybe Sony is better. > > Is Van's selling O-200 for their 12. > > >> From: Deems Davis >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with >> Customer service? >> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:02:30 -0700 >> >> >> Just need to sound off! >> >> >> After hassling/hurrying to get my gear leg fairings attached so that >> I could mount my BPE IO540X. which has been sitting on my garage >> floor for 2 weeks. I got the hoist delivered, John Ackerman drove >> down from Prescott to help with the 'Hanging' and about an hour into >> the process, we both realized that VAN's sent the WRONG Lord mounts, >> They sent mounts for a Continental 0-200 !!!!!!!!!!! After speaking >> to Van's and correcting the error, I figured I'd salvage some of the >> day by rebuilding my Wife's NEW HP Pavilion PC which didn't boot up >> on Christmas Day, after spending 3 hours on the phone to India they >> sent a system restore disk to reinstall the system, which arrived >> yesterday. I recontacted HP support (India) per their instructions, >> went through another 30 minutes of useless handshaking, only to find >> out they HAD SENT THE WRONG DISK. However before they would send the >> correct disc, they wanted to rerun a hard drive diagnostic, which >> takes 90 MINUTES to complete!!!! I explained that I had been through >> this on the previous/initial call and had successfully run this same >> diagnostic, with no errors reported and that should have been >> captured in their log. >> !@$!#$#!@I()@$%(@)(!$#@!#@)(!#@$)(!@^^&*&+*&%(_^$#%!$#% >> >> Piss on it. Her PC is going back to where it was purchased and will >> be replace by either a Dell or Sony, HP's lost a customer, and Van's >> has lost some of it's luster. >> >> Deems - - Just Hanging Out !\ >> >> >> Do Not Archive !!!!!!!! >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:55 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? Actually, the mounts they sent me are for a Citabria which uses an O-235, I have no idea why Van's would even have these in stock !?!?!?!?!? Do Not Archive Deems Davis # 406 Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! ) http://deemsrv10.com/ John Gonzalez wrote: > > I wouldn't even touch your plane with the luck you are having. Run > away from it as fast as you can. Chill out and go for a walk with the > dog. > > Dell is not much better so maybe Sony is better. > > Is Van's selling O-200 for their 12. > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:34 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? From: "BPA" I can see it now "For Sale, RV-10 95% complete with PC computer" :) Allen Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 5:16 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? Deems, Could be worse, your EFIS vendor could have closed their doors like mine. ;-) Larry do not archive John Gonzalez wrote: > > I wouldn't even touch your plane with the luck you are having. Run > away from it as fast as you can. Chill out and go for a walk with the > dog. > > Dell is not much better so maybe Sony is better. > > Is Van's selling O-200 for their 12. > > >> From: Deems Davis >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with >> Customer service? >> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:02:30 -0700 >> >> >> Just need to sound off! >> >> >> After hassling/hurrying to get my gear leg fairings attached so that >> I could mount my BPE IO540X. which has been sitting on my garage >> floor for 2 weeks. I got the hoist delivered, John Ackerman drove >> down from Prescott to help with the 'Hanging' and about an hour into >> the process, we both realized that VAN's sent the WRONG Lord mounts, >> They sent mounts for a Continental 0-200 !!!!!!!!!!! After speaking >> to Van's and correcting the error, I figured I'd salvage some of the >> day by rebuilding my Wife's NEW HP Pavilion PC which didn't boot up >> on Christmas Day, after spending 3 hours on the phone to India they >> sent a system restore disk to reinstall the system, which arrived >> yesterday. I recontacted HP support (India) per their instructions, >> went through another 30 minutes of useless handshaking, only to find >> out they HAD SENT THE WRONG DISK. However before they would send the >> correct disc, they wanted to rerun a hard drive diagnostic, which >> takes 90 MINUTES to complete!!!! I explained that I had been through >> this on the previous/initial call and had successfully run this same >> diagnostic, with no errors reported and that should have been >> captured in their log. >> !@$!#$#!@I()@$%(@)(!$#@!#@)(!#@$)(!@^^&*&+*&%(_^$#%!$#% >> >> Piss on it. Her PC is going back to where it was purchased and will >> be replace by either a Dell or Sony, HP's lost a customer, and Van's >> has lost some of it's luster. >> >> Deems - - Just Hanging Out !\ >> >> >> Do Not Archive !!!!!!!! >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:05 PM PST US From: "John Testement" Subject: RE: RV10-List: When Do the Pieces Come Together? Bill, I am building in a basement with a French door. It is easy (relatively) to take the horizontal and vertical stabs on and off. I plan to keep mine off, move to the paint booth when the plane is mostly complete, and then to a hanger. I will probably have to take the gear legs off to get out the door. John Testement HYPERLINK "mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com"jwt@roadmapscoaching.com 40321 Richmond, VA FWF, engine, wiring do not archive _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Reining Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:42 PM Subject: RV10-List: When Do the Pieces Come Together? I am about to build a workshop and need to know how big to make it. Due to hillside property constraints, it will be long and narrow, with the doors on the long side. If I=92m not careful, I may not be able to get the fuselage back out again, once assembled. I guess I could sit down and read the plans from one end to the other, but thought the forum might produce answers more quickly, so here goes: Once all the individual =93pieces=94 are assembled (e.g. vertical stab, horiz. stab. rudder, elevator, tail cone, wings, fuselage), in what order are they attached to one another? I assume the tail cone gets attached to the fuselage fairly soon, and then the cabin top, landing gear and engine. Obviously the wings aren=92t attached until you are practically at the airport, but when must the vertical & horizontal stab and elevators be attached? Please understand the purpose of these questions is to maximize work performed inside, while still being able to get the finished contraption out the door (which will probably be a removable wall of the shop). Bill Reining (with my son Jon) 40514 (tail cone) "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"http://www.matronics.com/Na vig ator?RV10-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com -- ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:40 PM PST US From: Rob Kermanj Subject: Re: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? Buy yourself a Mac and never talk to India again, ever! On Jan 3, 2007, at 5:02 PM, Deems Davis wrote: > > Just need to sound off! > > > After hassling/hurrying to get my gear leg fairings attached so > that I could mount my BPE IO540X. which has been sitting on my > garage floor for 2 weeks. I got the hoist delivered, John Ackerman > drove down from Prescott to help with the 'Hanging' and about an > hour into the process, we both realized that VAN's sent the WRONG > Lord mounts, They sent mounts for a Continental 0-200 !!!!!!!!!!! > After speaking to Van's and correcting the error, I figured I'd > salvage some of the day by rebuilding my Wife's NEW HP Pavilion PC > which didn't boot up on Christmas Day, after spending 3 hours on > the phone to India they sent a system restore disk to reinstall the > system, which arrived yesterday. I recontacted HP support (India) > per their instructions, went through another 30 minutes of useless > handshaking, only to find out they HAD SENT THE WRONG DISK. However > before they would send the correct disc, they wanted to rerun a > hard drive diagnostic, which takes 90 MINUTES to complete!!!! I > explained that I had been through this on the previous/initial call > and had successfully run this same diagnostic, with no errors > reported and that should have been captured in their log. !@$!#$#!@I > ()@$%(@)(!$#@!#@)(!#@$)(!@^^&*&+*&%(_^$#%!$#% > > Piss on it. Her PC is going back to where it was purchased and will > be replace by either a Dell or Sony, HP's lost a customer, and > Van's has lost some of it's luster. > > Deems - - Just Hanging Out !\ > > > Do Not Archive !!!!!!!! > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:55 PM PST US From: "John Gonzalez" Subject: RE: RV10-List: When Do the Pieces Come Together? John, You might also consider leaving the steps off until it gets out the doors aswell. That is what I have had to do. You will notice that the baggage floor and the baggage area side panels will cover up the area where you insert the long bolt into the step mount, so even with an access panel in the baggage floor, which will allow you to get a wrench in there, you might not be able to insert the long bolt because the space is not big enough to get the bolt into the receiver. I made my baggage area side panels removable and drilled a hole in the baggage floor right over the insert hole in the step's receiver. I'll remove my side panels, insert the bolt through the hole in the floor and then get the wrench in there through the access panel which I made. If you haven't got to this par t of the build, save the email. I don't think I could get the fuse with the cabin on out of my basement if the steps are on. John G. >From: "John Testement" >To: >Subject: RE: RV10-List: When Do the Pieces Come Together? >Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 18:26:40 -0500 > >Bill, > >I am building in a basement with a French door. It is easy (relatively) to >take the horizontal and vertical stabs on and off. I plan to keep mine off, >move to the paint booth when the plane is mostly complete, and then to a >hanger. I will probably have to take the gear legs off to get out the door. > >John Testement >HYPERLINK "mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com"jwt@roadmapscoaching.com >40321 >Richmond, VA >FWF, engine, wiring >do not archive > > > _____ > >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Reining >Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:42 PM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: When Do the Pieces Come Together? > > >I am about to build a workshop and need to know how big to make it. Due to >hillside property constraints, it will be long and narrow, with the doors >on >the long side. If Im not careful, I may not be able to get the fuselage >back out again, once assembled. I guess I could sit down and read the >plans >from one end to the other, but thought the forum might produce answers more >quickly, so here goes: > > >Once all the individual pieces are assembled (e.g. vertical stab, horiz. >stab. rudder, elevator, tail cone, wings, fuselage), in what order are they >attached to one another? I assume the tail cone gets attached to the >fuselage fairly soon, and then the cabin top, landing gear and engine. >Obviously the wings arent attached until you are practically at the >airport, but when must the vertical & horizontal stab and elevators be >attached? Please understand the purpose of these questions is to >maximize >work performed inside, while still being able to get the finished >contraption out the door (which will probably be a removable wall of the >shop). > > >Bill Reining (with my son Jon) > >40514 (tail cone) > > >"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"http://www.matronics.com/Navig >ator?RV10-List > > >"http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com > > >-- > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:40 PM PST US From: "John Gonzalez" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? I got both PCs and Mac and one of my G5's hardrives crashed two to three months out of warranty. Cha Ching$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Still love the Mac for the video editing, music and pictures. wonder whether Deems will have to pay the handling fee on the re order. Cha Ching$$ John G Leaving work 4:50pm one hour commute. The family is at my wife's sister's house and I hope to build tonight. >From: Rob Kermanj >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer >service? >Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 19:09:34 -0500 > > >Buy yourself a Mac and never talk to India again, ever! > > >On Jan 3, 2007, at 5:02 PM, Deems Davis wrote: > >> >>Just need to sound off! >> >> >>After hassling/hurrying to get my gear leg fairings attached so that I >>could mount my BPE IO540X. which has been sitting on my garage floor for >>2 weeks. I got the hoist delivered, John Ackerman drove down from >>Prescott to help with the 'Hanging' and about an hour into the process, >>we both realized that VAN's sent the WRONG Lord mounts, They sent mounts >>for a Continental 0-200 !!!!!!!!!!! After speaking to Van's and >>correcting the error, I figured I'd salvage some of the day by rebuilding >>my Wife's NEW HP Pavilion PC which didn't boot up on Christmas Day, after >>spending 3 hours on the phone to India they sent a system restore disk to >>reinstall the system, which arrived yesterday. I recontacted HP support >>(India) per their instructions, went through another 30 minutes of >>useless handshaking, only to find out they HAD SENT THE WRONG DISK. >>However before they would send the correct disc, they wanted to rerun a >>hard drive diagnostic, which takes 90 MINUTES to complete!!!! I explained >>that I had been through this on the previous/initial call and had >>successfully run this same diagnostic, with no errors reported and that >>should have been captured in their log. !@$!#$#!@I >>()@$%(@)(!$#@!#@)(!#@$)(!@^^&*&+*&%(_^$#%!$#% >> >>Piss on it. Her PC is going back to where it was purchased and will be >>replace by either a Dell or Sony, HP's lost a customer, and Van's has >>lost some of it's luster. >> >>Deems - - Just Hanging Out !\ >> >> >>Do Not Archive !!!!!!!! >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:34 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? Hey Allen, how bout them BRONCOS ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! :-) Deems BPA wrote: > >I can see it now "For Sale, RV-10 95% complete with PC computer" :) > >Allen > >Do Not Archive > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen >Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 5:16 PM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with >Customer service? > > >Deems, >Could be worse, your EFIS vendor could have closed their doors like >mine. ;-) > >Larry >do not archive > >John Gonzalez wrote: > > >> >> > > > >>I wouldn't even touch your plane with the luck you are having. Run >>away from it as fast as you can. Chill out and go for a walk with the >>dog. >> >>Dell is not much better so maybe Sony is better. >> >>Is Van's selling O-200 for their 12. >> >> >> >> >>>From: Deems Davis >>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>>Subject: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with >>>Customer service? >>>Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:02:30 -0700 >>> >>> >>>Just need to sound off! >>> >>> >>>After hassling/hurrying to get my gear leg fairings attached so that >>>I could mount my BPE IO540X. which has been sitting on my garage >>>floor for 2 weeks. I got the hoist delivered, John Ackerman drove >>>down from Prescott to help with the 'Hanging' and about an hour into >>>the process, we both realized that VAN's sent the WRONG Lord mounts, >>>They sent mounts for a Continental 0-200 !!!!!!!!!!! After speaking >>>to Van's and correcting the error, I figured I'd salvage some of the >>>day by rebuilding my Wife's NEW HP Pavilion PC which didn't boot up >>>on Christmas Day, after spending 3 hours on the phone to India they >>>sent a system restore disk to reinstall the system, which arrived >>>yesterday. I recontacted HP support (India) per their instructions, >>>went through another 30 minutes of useless handshaking, only to find >>>out they HAD SENT THE WRONG DISK. However before they would send the >>>correct disc, they wanted to rerun a hard drive diagnostic, which >>>takes 90 MINUTES to complete!!!! I explained that I had been through >>>this on the previous/initial call and had successfully run this same >>>diagnostic, with no errors reported and that should have been >>>captured in their log. >>>!@$!#$#!@I()@$%(@)(!$#@!#@)(!#@$)(!@^^&*&+*&%(_^$#%!$#% >>> >>>Piss on it. Her PC is going back to where it was purchased and will >>>be replace by either a Dell or Sony, HP's lost a customer, and Van's >>> >>> > > > >>>has lost some of it's luster. >>> >>>Deems - - Just Hanging Out !\ >>> >>> >>>Do Not Archive !!!!!!!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:19 PM PST US From: "Rob Wright" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Cooler Bracket Got mine last week. Flange was welded on but it sure was a bear to rivet to the firewall. Rob Wright #392 Fuse and Misc _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:06 AM Subject: RV10-List: Oil Cooler Bracket I have a question for those who have received FWF kits recently. In the attached picture you can see the oil cooler bracket that I am working on. Notice anything missing? Van's sent this to me, but it doesn't have the flange for the scat tube. Is it possible that they have modified the plans and we are supposed to rivet on a flange like goes on the baffles? In the past it had the flange welded to the bracket. Anybody else seen this? I am going to call Van's, but they haven't opened yet. Thanks. Do not archive. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:15 PM PST US From: jerry petersen Subject: Re: RV10-List: When Do the Pieces Come Together? We built ours in my oversized single stall garage. Rough dimensions were 13X26 ft with a 10X10 ft work area in the front. The door is 8ft by 6'6" high. We kept the fuselage on temporary gear for as long as we could and had to slide it out the door with the main wheels off. Many pieces were fitted and then removed to be reinstalled later. For example we used a nice summer day to push the tail out the door to mount the VS and HS. Final assembly is taking place in a hangar at the airport. We have pictures if you have a specific question I could answer. Jerry Petersen 40373 --- Bill Reining wrote: > I am about to build a workshop and need to know how > big to make it. Due to > hillside property constraints, it will be long and > narrow, with the doors on > the long side. If I'm not careful, I may not be > able to get the fuselage > back out again, once assembled. I guess I could sit > down and read the plans > from one end to the other, but thought the forum > might produce answers more > quickly, so here goes: > > > > Once all the individual "pieces" are assembled (e.g. > vertical stab, horiz. > stab. rudder, elevator, tail cone, wings, fuselage), > in what order are they > attached to one another? I assume the tail cone > gets attached to the > fuselage fairly soon, and then the cabin top, > landing gear and engine. > Obviously the wings aren't attached until you are > practically at the > airport, but when must the vertical & horizontal > stab and elevators be > attached? Please understand the purpose of these > questions is to maximize > work performed inside, while still being able to get > the finished > contraption out the door (which will probably be a > removable wall of the > shop). > > > > Bill Reining (with my son Jon) > > 40514 (tail cone) > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:38 PM PST US From: jerry petersen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Installing elevators and rudders We made similar pins with just a simple 90 degree bend. We found ourselves using them often for other alignments as well. Jerry Petersen 40373 --- Wayne Edgerton wrote: > I am just finishing up installing my elevators and > rudder and a fellow RV10 builder, Ron Grover, on the > field where I'm at, Prop Wash Justin, TX, gave me a > great tip and the loan of his tool that really made > the job much easer. Actually Ron came over and help > me install the elevators. Boy it's really nice to > have someone help you that's done something before > you. Ron has a beautiful RV8 he built and is working > on his 10. > > Anyway the tool that Ron loaned me, see attachment > 1-2-07-1, is for inserting temporarily in the attach > brackets to hold the elevator or the rudder in place > until you can get the bolt installed. I just put my > hand in the picture as a reference to their size I > can't remember off hand but I think he said he got > them at Aircraft Spruce?. I've also attached a photo > of them installed on the rudder if you're able to > zoom in a little to see them.Probably everyone > already knows about these tools except me :>} I've > also attached the finished product 1-2-07-2. It > obviously works the same way on the elevators. > > I've now got the elevators and rudder generally > installed I just need to make the final touches. > > For what ever it's worth > > Wayne Edgerton #40336 > > Trying to get this thing finished and start flying > if the vendors will just start co-operating :>} > Props been delayed AGAIN __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:35 PM PST US From: Larry Rosen Subject: Re: RV10-List: When Do the Pieces Come Together? Jerry, Because or support columns in my 3 car garage, I will need to reorient my fuselage to sit in one of the car bays. It is only 20 feet long, so I will need to build a temporary extension. I was hoping to extend it by 4 feet. Making it 24 feet long.. Would 24' give me enough length to mount the engine, prop, and spinner onto the fuse (everything less wings, vertical stab and horizontal stab) and still be able to walk around the front? Larry Rosen #356 jerry petersen wrote: > > We built ours in my oversized single stall garage. > Rough dimensions were 13X26 ft with a 10X10 ft work > area in the front. The door is 8ft by 6'6" high. We > kept the fuselage on temporary gear for as long as we > could and had to slide it out the door with the main > wheels off. Many pieces were fitted and then removed > to be reinstalled later. For example we used a nice > summer day to push the tail out the door to mount the > VS and HS. Final assembly is taking place in a hangar > at the airport. We have pictures if you have a > specific question I could answer. > > Jerry Petersen > 40373 > --- Bill Reining wrote: > > >> I am about to build a workshop and need to know how >> big to make it. Due to >> hillside property constraints, it will be long and >> narrow, with the doors on >> the long side. If I'm not careful, I may not be >> able to get the fuselage >> back out again, once assembled. I guess I could sit >> down and read the plans >> from one end to the other, but thought the forum >> might produce answers more >> quickly, so here goes: >> >> >> >> Once all the individual "pieces" are assembled (e.g. >> vertical stab, horiz. >> stab. rudder, elevator, tail cone, wings, fuselage), >> in what order are they >> attached to one another? I assume the tail cone >> gets attached to the >> fuselage fairly soon, and then the cabin top, >> landing gear and engine. >> Obviously the wings aren't attached until you are >> practically at the >> airport, but when must the vertical & horizontal >> stab and elevators be >> attached? Please understand the purpose of these >> questions is to maximize >> work performed inside, while still being able to get >> the finished >> contraption out the door (which will probably be a >> removable wall of the >> shop). >> >> >> >> Bill Reining (with my son Jon) >> >> 40514 (tail cone) >> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:56 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? Yeah, that puts my whining in perspective ! Deems O:-) think Op Tech Larry Rosen wrote: > > Deems, > Could be worse, your EFIS vendor could have closed their doors like > mine. ;-) > > Larry > do not archive > > John Gonzalez wrote: > >> >> >> I wouldn't even touch your plane with the luck you are having. Run >> away from it as fast as you can. Chill out and go for a walk with the >> dog. >> >> Dell is not much better so maybe Sony is better. >> >> Is Van's selling O-200 for their 12. >> >> >>> From: Deems Davis >>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with >>> Customer service? >>> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:02:30 -0700 >>> >>> >>> Just need to sound off! >>> >>> >>> After hassling/hurrying to get my gear leg fairings attached so that >>> I could mount my BPE IO540X. which has been sitting on my garage >>> floor for 2 weeks. I got the hoist delivered, John Ackerman drove >>> down from Prescott to help with the 'Hanging' and about an hour into >>> the process, we both realized that VAN's sent the WRONG Lord mounts, >>> They sent mounts for a Continental 0-200 !!!!!!!!!!! After speaking >>> to Van's and correcting the error, I figured I'd salvage some of the >>> day by rebuilding my Wife's NEW HP Pavilion PC which didn't boot up >>> on Christmas Day, after spending 3 hours on the phone to India they >>> sent a system restore disk to reinstall the system, which arrived >>> yesterday. I recontacted HP support (India) per their instructions, >>> went through another 30 minutes of useless handshaking, only to find >>> out they HAD SENT THE WRONG DISK. However before they would send the >>> correct disc, they wanted to rerun a hard drive diagnostic, which >>> takes 90 MINUTES to complete!!!! I explained that I had been through >>> this on the previous/initial call and had successfully run this same >>> diagnostic, with no errors reported and that should have been >>> captured in their log. >>> !@$!#$#!@I()@$%(@)(!$#@!#@)(!#@$)(!@^^&*&+*&%(_^$#%!$#% >>> >>> Piss on it. Her PC is going back to where it was purchased and will >>> be replace by either a Dell or Sony, HP's lost a customer, and >>> Van's has lost some of it's luster. >>> >>> Deems - - Just Hanging Out !\ >>> >>> >>> Do Not Archive !!!!!!!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:55 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Bad Day At Blackrock - what's wrong with Customer service? Yep.....Boise State played & won a GREAT game......Undefeated...Played to WIN...a loss was not an option. KABONG Do Not Archive 8*) ----- Original Message ----- > > Hey Allen, how bout them BRONCOS ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! :-) ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:01 PM PST US From: "Paul Grimstad" Subject: Re: RV10-List: When Do the Pieces Come Together? Nice to know that I'm not the only one building in my basement. Thanks for the tip on the step bolt insert hole. I saw that on another 10 in Bend, Or. last weekend. I appreciate these great ideas? The littlest idea can sometimes help a big group of builders. Storage of big parts almost complete, now it's back to building. Paul Grimstad RV10 40450 fuselage Portland, OR 97219 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gonzalez" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 4:45 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: When Do the Pieces Come Together? > > John, > > You might also consider leaving the steps off until it gets out the doors > aswell. That is what I have had to do. You will notice that the baggage > floor and the baggage area side panels will cover up the area where you > insert the long bolt into the step mount, so even with an access panel in > the baggage floor, which will allow you to get a wrench in there, you > might not be able to insert the long bolt because the space is not big > enough to get the bolt into the receiver. > > I made my baggage area side panels removable and drilled a hole in the > baggage floor right over the insert hole in the step's receiver. I'll > remove my side panels, insert the bolt through the hole in the floor and > then get the wrench in there through the access panel which I made. > > If you haven't got to this par t of the build, save the email. > > I don't think I could get the fuse with the cabin on out of my basement if > the steps are on. > > John G. > > >>From: "John Testement" >>To: >>Subject: RE: RV10-List: When Do the Pieces Come Together? >>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 18:26:40 -0500 >> >>Bill, >> >>I am building in a basement with a French door. It is easy (relatively) to >>take the horizontal and vertical stabs on and off. I plan to keep mine >>off, >>move to the paint booth when the plane is mostly complete, and then to a >>hanger. I will probably have to take the gear legs off to get out the >>door. >> >>John Testement >>HYPERLINK "mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com"jwt@roadmapscoaching.com >>40321 >>Richmond, VA >>FWF, engine, wiring >>do not archive >> >> >> >> _____ >> >>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Reining >>Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:42 PM >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RV10-List: When Do the Pieces Come Together? >> >> >> >>I am about to build a workshop and need to know how big to make it. Due >>to >>hillside property constraints, it will be long and narrow, with the doors >>on >>the long side. If I'm not careful, I may not be able to get the fuselage >>back out again, once assembled. I guess I could sit down and read the >>plans >>from one end to the other, but thought the forum might produce answers >>more >>quickly, so here goes: >> >> >> >>Once all the individual "pieces" are assembled (e.g. vertical stab, horiz. >>stab. rudder, elevator, tail cone, wings, fuselage), in what order are >>they >>attached to one another? I assume the tail cone gets attached to the >>fuselage fairly soon, and then the cabin top, landing gear and engine. >>Obviously the wings aren't attached until you are practically at the >>airport, but when must the vertical & horizontal stab and elevators be >>attached? Please understand the purpose of these questions is to >>maximize >>work performed inside, while still being able to get the finished >>contraption out the door (which will probably be a removable wall of the >>shop). >> >> >> >>Bill Reining (with my son Jon) >> >>40514 (tail cone) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"http://www.matronics.com/Navig >>ator?RV10-List >> >> >> >> >>"http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.