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1. 05:38 AM - Re: Wheel Pant Spacer Bolts BreakingWheel Pant Spacer Bolts BreakingWheel Pant Spacer Bolts BreakingWheel Pant (Russell Daves)
2. 07:55 AM - Re: Rolling the leading edges of the elevator & rudder (Jon Reining)
3. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: Rolling the leading edges of the elevator & rudder (Les Kearney)
4. 09:42 AM - sirius VS XM, Throttle (John Gonzalez)
5. 10:16 AM - Re: sirius VS XM, Throttle (linn Walters)
6. 10:29 AM - Re: sirius VS XM, Throttle (C Smith)
7. 10:52 AM - Re: sirius VS XM, Throttle (James K Hovis)
8. 11:02 AM - Re: sirius VS XM, Throttle (Phillips, Jack)
9. 11:21 AM - Re: sirius VS XM, Throttle (Tim Olson)
10. 11:35 AM - Re: sirius VS XM, Throttle (Kelly McMullen)
11. 11:50 AM - Re: sirius VS XM, Throttle (MauleDriver)
12. 11:56 AM - Re: sirius VS XM, Throttle (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
13. 12:12 PM - RV10 (Phil Hall)
14. 12:26 PM - Re: sirius VS XM, Throttle (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
15. 12:58 PM - Avmap IV, Anywhere MAP, and Garmin 496 review (Eric Panning)
16. 02:51 PM - prop hub space (Steven DiNieri)
17. 03:57 PM - Re: prop hub space (Fixitauto@aol.com)
18. 04:54 PM - Re: sirius VS XM, Throttle (C Smith)
19. 05:09 PM - Avionics fan (John Testement)
20. 05:17 PM - Re: sirius VS XM, Throttle (Tim Olson)
21. 06:43 PM - Re: sirius VS XM, Throttle (Larry Rosen)
22. 07:01 PM - Re: sirius VS XM, Throttle (John Ackerman)
23. 07:22 PM - Re: sirius VS XM, Throttle (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
24. 07:32 PM - Re: sirius VS XM, Throttle (Marcus Cooper)
25. 07:44 PM - Re: prop hub space (Jesse Saint)
26. 08:12 PM - Re: Avmap IV, Anywhere MAP, and Garmin 496 review (John Gonzalez)
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Pant Spacer Bolts BreakingWheel Pant Spacer Bolts |
BreakingWheel Pant Spacer Bolts BreakingWheel Pant
Dear Scott:
My buddy, Linnard Griffin, and fellow RV-6 builder who is an A&P and
machinist and has all the equipment to build would probably be happy to
start taking orders if there were enough interest.
If anyone wants to buy a set e-mail me direct at dav1111 at cox . net
and I will start a list to see how much interest and let everyone know.
Best regards,
Russ Daves
N710RV
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| Subject: | Re: Rolling the leading edges of the elevator & rudder |
Les - I used some 1" OD steel pipe and match drilled holes in the pipe and then
clecoed the skin to the pipe - it worked great.
Jon Reining (with my dad Bill)
41514 - tailcone - still (need to get finished with this house remodel)
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| Subject: | Re: Rolling the leading edges of the elevator & rudder |
Hmmm,
Now that sounds like a wonderfully simple idea. I found with the smaller
diameter pipe and bending the edge after the rivet line made things
easier.
It seems that there is a lot of stress on the holes as they are being
clecoed and match drilled. I wonder if a better solution (and less
stressful
to the holes) would be to:
1. Drill the holes to size prior to rolling the edges
2. De-burr the holes
3. Bend the edges as required
4. Roll the edges
5. Clecoe the edges together
6. Install the Pop rivets
I wonder if this would cause less deformation in the holes than
assembly,
disassembly and then reassembly.
Cheers
Les Kearney
RV10 # 40643 - Lost in the empennage.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Reining
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rolling the leading edges of the elevator &
rudder
<jonathan.w.reining@wellsfargo.com>
Les - I used some 1" OD steel pipe and match drilled holes in the pipe
and
then clecoed the skin to the pipe - it worked great.
Jon Reining (with my dad Bill)
41514 - tailcone - still (need to get finished with this house remodel)
do not archive
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| Subject: | sirius VS XM, Throttle |
My wife got my a XM radio receiver for Christmas, but before I connected it
to the car and hook it to the home stereo, I checked their programming. XM
does not have NPR so I really need to go with Sirius. I have at least one
more year before flying and my building hours require NPR.
Garmin seems affiliated with XM and I wanted to have a 396 or 496. What
systems are afiliated with Sirius for weather data link?
Lastly, this is a crazy question. Back when I flew power, all the planes
had yokes, so it was easy to fly left hand on the yoke and right hand on the
throttle. I am so used to flying stick in the glider, 600+ hours (With no
Throttle) that I really believe that landing the 10 and power adjustments
will be strange, having to put the stick in the left hand and opperate the
throttle with the right.
Two choices, fly from the right seat or have dual throttle controls, one on
the far left and one in the middle. Is this not an issue for anyone. Power
to altitude, pitch to airspeed, that's what I was taught.
On the glider even the spoilers are left hand operated and can be thought of
as power.
Anyone want to take a stab at this.
John G.
#409, everywhere and nowhere, and with a portable radioshack radio in the
shop that keeps loosing reception.
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| Subject: | Re: sirius VS XM, Throttle |
John Gonzalez wrote:
snip
> Lastly, this is a crazy question. Back when I flew power, all the
> planes had yokes, so it was easy to fly left hand on the yoke and
> right hand on the throttle. I am so used to flying stick in the
> glider, 600+ hours (With no Throttle) that I really believe that
> landing the 10 and power adjustments will be strange, having to put
> the stick in the left hand and opperate the throttle with the right.
>
> Two choices, fly from the right seat or have dual throttle controls,
> one on the far left and one in the middle. Is this not an issue for
> anyone. Power to altitude, pitch to airspeed, that's what I was taught.
>
> On the glider even the spoilers are left hand operated and can be
> thought of as power.
>
> Anyone want to take a stab at this.
>
> John G.
I fly an S-1 Pitts, a Grumman AA-1B (2 place) and a Traumahawk. I don't
seem to have any problem 'switching hands' as it were.
Linn ......RV-10 later this month!
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| Subject: | sirius VS XM, Throttle |
On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:42 PM
Subject: RV10-List: sirius VS XM, Throttle
Garmin seems affiliated with XM and I wanted to have a 396 or 496. What
systems are afiliated with Sirius for weather data link?
Anyone want to take a stab at this.
John G.
John, there has been rumors of a possible weather data link from Sirius, but
last I knew it wasn't up and running yet. Unfortunately, I don't remember
the name of the provider, but they currently offer an aviation weather
service for smart phones and such.
Then they would need to get the avionics vendors on board as well.
Anyone have any more current info?
Craig Smith
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| Subject: | Re: sirius VS XM, Throttle |
John,
The only thing I ever flew were yoke a/c (C172 & AA1A) until my CFI
gave me a ride in his O-1 Birddog and let me take the stick for while.
It took me a minute to learn right-hand stick handling (throttle is on
left). I think it's the same as CFI's learning to fly from the right
seat too, a skill that needs to be learned, but very masterable. I
think you should set up the controls to be as comfortable to you as
you want, but remember if you have to sell your bird in the future,
anything "non-standard" might detract to the value of your bird to a
potential buyer.
I see a couple options beyond the as designed set-up if you're REALLY
uncomfortable flying with left hand on stick:
1) install a left hand sidewall quadrant in addition to the center
quadrant/push-pull engine controls. Main drawback is added weight for
the interlocking linkage you'll need for the two controls. But, this
maintains the "standard" right seat controls for dual pilot
operations.
2) only go with controls on the left side. Saves weight, but you lose
utility if you need dual training.
Really, I don't think learning to fly left hand on a stick will be so
difficult that you need to alter the designed set-up of the airplane.
JKH
On 1/5/07, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> wrote:
>
> My wife got my a XM radio receiver for Christmas, but before I connected it
> to the car and hook it to the home stereo, I checked their programming. XM
> does not have NPR so I really need to go with Sirius. I have at least one
> more year before flying and my building hours require NPR.
>
> Garmin seems affiliated with XM and I wanted to have a 396 or 496. What
> systems are afiliated with Sirius for weather data link?
>
> Lastly, this is a crazy question. Back when I flew power, all the planes
> had yokes, so it was easy to fly left hand on the yoke and right hand on the
> throttle. I am so used to flying stick in the glider, 600+ hours (With no
> Throttle) that I really believe that landing the 10 and power adjustments
> will be strange, having to put the stick in the left hand and opperate the
> throttle with the right.
>
> Two choices, fly from the right seat or have dual throttle controls, one on
> the far left and one in the middle. Is this not an issue for anyone. Power
> to altitude, pitch to airspeed, that's what I was taught.
>
> On the glider even the spoilers are left hand operated and can be thought of
> as power.
>
> Anyone want to take a stab at this.
>
> John G.
>
> #409, everywhere and nowhere, and with a portable radioshack radio in the
> shop that keeps loosing reception.
>
>
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| Subject: | sirius VS XM, Throttle |
Not really a big deal. I like flying with the stick in my right hand,
throttle in the left, as it is on my RV-4 and my Pietenpol Air Camper.
The only time I've flown with a stick in my left hand was in my friend's
RV-7, and it took about 2 minutes to get used to it. Far more difficult
getting used to sitting on the left side of the plane when you are used
to flying on the centerline.
Jack Phillips
#40610
Still working on the Elevators
-----Original Message-----
John,
The only thing I ever flew were yoke a/c (C172 & AA1A) until my CFI
gave me a ride in his O-1 Birddog and let me take the stick for while.
It took me a minute to learn right-hand stick handling (throttle is on
left). I think it's the same as CFI's learning to fly from the right
seat too, a skill that needs to be learned, but very masterable. I
think you should set up the controls to be as comfortable to you as
you want, but remember if you have to sell your bird in the future,
anything "non-standard" might detract to the value of your bird to a
potential buyer.
I see a couple options beyond the as designed set-up if you're REALLY
uncomfortable flying with left hand on stick:
1) install a left hand sidewall quadrant in addition to the center
quadrant/push-pull engine controls. Main drawback is added weight for
the interlocking linkage you'll need for the two controls. But, this
maintains the "standard" right seat controls for dual pilot
operations.
2) only go with controls on the left side. Saves weight, but you lose
utility if you need dual training.
Really, I don't think learning to fly left hand on a stick will be so
difficult that you need to alter the designed set-up of the airplane.
JKH
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| Subject: | Re: sirius VS XM, Throttle |
John Gonzalez wrote:
> Garmin seems affiliated with XM and I wanted to have a 396 or 496. What
> systems are afiliated with Sirius for weather data link?
>
WSI will be the sirius related provider of weather datalink. They
have the signal up now, and customers will move to it by about
April 2007. A complete migration to sirius will be done by
Septemer.
Additionally, if you're looking for Sirius music, you should
be highly interested in the PS Engineering 8000SR intercom/audio
panel. I have the 8000 standard (no sirius) and it's fantastic.
The 8000SR incorporates sirius satellite radio.
> John G.
>
> #409, everywhere and nowhere, and with a portable radioshack radio in
> the shop that keeps loosing reception.
>
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| Subject: | Re: sirius VS XM, Throttle |
On 1/5/07, James K Hovis <james.k.hovis@gmail.com> wrote:
> I see a couple options beyond the as designed set-up if you're REALLY
> uncomfortable flying with left hand on stick:
>
> 1) install a left hand sidewall quadrant in addition to the center
> quadrant/push-pull engine controls. Main drawback is added weight for
> the interlocking linkage you'll need for the two controls. But, this
> maintains the "standard" right seat controls for dual pilot
> operations.
>
> 2) only go with controls on the left side. Saves weight, but you lose
> utility if you need dual training.
>
> Really, I don't think learning to fly left hand on a stick will be so
> difficult that you need to alter the designed set-up of the airplane.
>
> JKH
Or you could design the panel so you could have EFIS on either side,
and moving map on either side, so that you could be equally
comfortable flying it from either seat. I'm really thinking of
designing panel that way.
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| Subject: | Re: sirius VS XM, Throttle |
Re XM and Sirius
I'm an NPR builder (WUNC) and a 396 owner. I thought I might feel your
pain but I don't because:
- I have high speed Web access in my shop
- The best radio for NPR may be a Web connected PC streaming NPR from
whatever you listen too. Since my local NPR outlet is streamed 24
hours, I can get exactly what I normally get, plus I can pick any of the
other streaming sources and pickup shows I'm still discovering. YMMV
- Almost all NPR shows are available as free podcasts. More work but a
good option when you want something specific
- My XM account allows me to stream (most of) XM's offerings on the Web.
Does Sirius offer this? I use that a lot more than I use the actual
satellite thru my 396
- There's a recent news item speculating that it may be time for XM to
acquire Sirius or vice-a-versa. Potentially good and bad news I'd say
Re: Sticks, yokes, gliders, power, quadrants, push pulls and verniers
I've managed to fly all combinations at least a little bit and found
very little adjustment required. And very little preference given the
aircraft involved. After 5 hours, I'm not even thinking about it
(except for the vernier throttle on my Maule - took at least 20 hours
before it faded into proficiency). I flew 1000+ glider hours
uninterrupted by vibrator flying and found the 10 hour transition back
was mainly about that little wheel in the back. I wouldn't worry *at
all* about power adjustments in the '10. The throttle will never work
as well as spoilers but who needs a stink'n engine to hit a spot or
grease it on?
I'm still drilling myself on "go arounds" as in, "remember Mauledriver,
if it doesn't look right you can go try it again". There are a few
off-fields where I wish that was an option :-)
Be Happy
Bill (riveting and riveting the tailcone and still trying to finish
those darn elevators while the QB dusts over) Watson
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> My wife got my a XM radio receiver for Christmas, but before I
> connected it to the car and hook it to the home stereo, I checked
> their programming. XM does not have NPR so I really need to go with
> Sirius. I have at least one more year before flying and my building
> hours require NPR.
>
> Garmin seems affiliated with XM and I wanted to have a 396 or 496.
> What systems are afiliated with Sirius for weather data link?
>
> Lastly, this is a crazy question. Back when I flew power, all the
> planes had yokes, so it was easy to fly left hand on the yoke and
> right hand on the throttle. I am so used to flying stick in the
> glider, 600+ hours (With no Throttle) that I really believe that
> landing the 10 and power adjustments will be strange, having to put
> the stick in the left hand and opperate the throttle with the right.
>
> Two choices, fly from the right seat or have dual throttle controls,
> one on the far left and one in the middle. Is this not an issue for
> anyone. Power to altitude, pitch to airspeed, that's what I was taught.
>
> On the glider even the spoilers are left hand operated and can be
> thought of as power.
>
> Anyone want to take a stab at this.
>
> John G.
>
> #409, everywhere and nowhere, and with a portable radioshack radio in
> the shop that keeps loosing reception.
>
>
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| Subject: | sirius VS XM, Throttle |
Yeah, but you can get a dash mount or portable Sirius and plug it into
the audio in jack on a regular 8000, for significantly less than the
combo unit costs.
Dan
N289DT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: sirius VS XM, Throttle
John Gonzalez wrote:
<indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
> Garmin seems affiliated with XM and I wanted to have a 396 or 496.
What
> systems are afiliated with Sirius for weather data link?
>
WSI will be the sirius related provider of weather datalink. They
have the signal up now, and customers will move to it by about
April 2007. A complete migration to sirius will be done by
Septemer.
Additionally, if you're looking for Sirius music, you should
be highly interested in the PS Engineering 8000SR intercom/audio
panel. I have the 8000 standard (no sirius) and it's fantastic.
The 8000SR incorporates sirius satellite radio.
> John G.
>
> #409, everywhere and nowhere, and with a portable radioshack radio in
> the shop that keeps loosing reception.
>
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If anyone is interested, I just put my 90% done, 90% to go 10 up for
sale on the vansairforce.com
Phil
888-583-5155
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| Subject: | sirius VS XM, Throttle |
You can stream Sirius from the Web and it's also carried on DISH but
pared down a bit for duplicates like the news channels and such. This
was discussed recently but you should try both before you buy if
possible. I've had both for extended periods and ended up with Sirius
as my final choice, and not because of that tool they paid 500 million
to. :-)
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: sirius VS XM, Throttle
Re XM and Sirius
I'm an NPR builder (WUNC) and a 396 owner. I thought I might feel your
pain but I don't because:
- I have high speed Web access in my shop
- The best radio for NPR may be a Web connected PC streaming NPR from
whatever you listen too. Since my local NPR outlet is streamed 24
hours, I can get exactly what I normally get, plus I can pick any of the
other streaming sources and pickup shows I'm still discovering. YMMV
- Almost all NPR shows are available as free podcasts. More work but a
good option when you want something specific
- My XM account allows me to stream (most of) XM's offerings on the Web.
Does Sirius offer this? I use that a lot more than I use the actual
satellite thru my 396
- There's a recent news item speculating that it may be time for XM to
acquire Sirius or vice-a-versa. Potentially good and bad news I'd say
Re: Sticks, yokes, gliders, power, quadrants, push pulls and verniers
I've managed to fly all combinations at least a little bit and found
very little adjustment required. And very little preference given the
aircraft involved. After 5 hours, I'm not even thinking about it
(except for the vernier throttle on my Maule - took at least 20 hours
before it faded into proficiency). I flew 1000+ glider hours
uninterrupted by vibrator flying and found the 10 hour transition back
was mainly about that little wheel in the back. I wouldn't worry *at
all* about power adjustments in the '10. The throttle will never work
as well as spoilers but who needs a stink'n engine to hit a spot or
grease it on?
I'm still drilling myself on "go arounds" as in, "remember Mauledriver,
if it doesn't look right you can go try it again". There are a few
off-fields where I wish that was an option :-)
Be Happy
Bill (riveting and riveting the tailcone and still trying to finish
those darn elevators while the QB dusts over) Watson
John Gonzalez wrote:
<indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
> My wife got my a XM radio receiver for Christmas, but before I
> connected it to the car and hook it to the home stereo, I checked
> their programming. XM does not have NPR so I really need to go with
> Sirius. I have at least one more year before flying and my building
> hours require NPR.
>
> Garmin seems affiliated with XM and I wanted to have a 396 or 496.
> What systems are afiliated with Sirius for weather data link?
>
> Lastly, this is a crazy question. Back when I flew power, all the
> planes had yokes, so it was easy to fly left hand on the yoke and
> right hand on the throttle. I am so used to flying stick in the
> glider, 600+ hours (With no Throttle) that I really believe that
> landing the 10 and power adjustments will be strange, having to put
> the stick in the left hand and opperate the throttle with the right.
>
> Two choices, fly from the right seat or have dual throttle controls,
> one on the far left and one in the middle. Is this not an issue for
> anyone. Power to altitude, pitch to airspeed, that's what I was
taught.
>
> On the glider even the spoilers are left hand operated and can be
> thought of as power.
>
> Anyone want to take a stab at this.
>
> John G.
>
> #409, everywhere and nowhere, and with a portable radioshack radio in
> the shop that keeps loosing reception.
>
>
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| Subject: | Avmap IV, Anywhere MAP, and Garmin 496 review |
I've recently bought the AVMAP and gave it a brief
test flight under IFR during a lesson (I have about 12
hrs IFR inst.) I ended up returning it for the
following reasons.
1) It is big, which is great - but it is really too
big for my Cherokee 180 yoke in horizontal and too
tall vertical.
2) In map mode, it does not overlay an HSI. I really
did not like this. It also jumped around from track up
to north up, etc. I'm sure if I worked with it more I
would have gotten it to settle down. However, in my
scan - I have only ~ 2-3 seconds to spend looking at
the GPS. Not enough time to worry about track vs
north, etc. Also plane would jump around in position
on the screen. The screen is big enough that it should
always be centered. In vertical mode, the plane is far
enough down on the screen that you are almost looking
at your lap.
3) Screen is bright, very legible, but critical items
are small on the screen. VOR, NDB's etc are hard to
read.
4) Menu logic takes getting use to. small joy stick on
unit was biggest disappointment. It was inconsistent
in operation and did not provide positive feedback.
5) No easy way to export/import flight routes or
tracks
6) ~ 90 min battery life
7) No XM Weather yet. They have a USB port but not
audio out.
8) Database was 6+ months out of date on receipt and
no free upgrade to current.
9) Antenna was fantastic and reception was very good
even in the garage. They have apparently moved to 20
channel GPS but mine had 12 channel. (Old stock?
Ordered from one of their largest dealers...)
10) Too wide to fit within the constraints of an audio
stack panel mount.
11) Terrain was high res and nicely done
12) Did not use airways or approach features.
13) Only used for 2 hrs in flight + 5 hrs on the
ground so consider this a first impression.
Anywhere map:
I've been using this system for years. I current use a
Dell 50v, with a bluetooth GPS, and current anywhere
map software. I've decided that I need a new option as
touch screen is not good for IFR
1) Compromise. If you have and need a PDA, not a bad
option. I have a blackberry now and don't use the PDA
for anything else.
2) Screen is not very bright, not as good as IPAQ
units (also had one of those). Washes out in direct
sun and AR coating on screen not as good (wear a black
shirt and not white... unless you want to see yourself
in the screen.)
3) Zoom delay is significant - ~ 4 seconds for a
detailed screen
4) Display is a little bit smaller than Garmin but
display logic is not as good by far. non-tower
Airports are in a magenta that washes out easily.
Discussed this with them and they wanted to duplicate
sectional - but doesn't make sense if you cannot read
airport details
5) Touch screen interface is biggest liability. if
it's bumpy, you will have trouble entering info and
navigating menu's. This was key motivation for seeking
a replacement.
6) I do not have XM weather for anywhere map, I think
it is pricey
7) I will be selling this system soon, with yoke
mount, GPS, etc...
8) If you lose the plane power, PDA battery drains
quickly. Night dim on the 50V is still bright enough
to be a distraction.
Garmin 496:
After trying potential options, I returned the AvMAP
IV and bought a 496. I have not flown with it yet in
the plane, but I have flown it all over the place
using simulator mode (and car)
First impressions:
1) Garmin has a polished product that really works
2) All the area where the PDA/AvMAP let me down,
Garmin seems to have gotten right. Menu is very
intuitive and easy to follow - despite complexity of
the unit. Rocker button is excellent.
3) XM Weather is incredible. You can flip through
weather charts on the ground and conduct your own
pre-flight briefing - Nexrad, satellite, metar, TAF,
freezing level, cloud tops, winds, TFR's, airmet,
sigmet, etc in a couple of minutes. Great background
for when you call the briefer...
4) Weather overlay with moving map is great. Easy to
get rid and bring back all the weather too. Very fast
screen updates.
5) Screen is 3.8", just a little bit bigger than Dell
50v. However, it is much brighter and display logic
from Garmin is excellent. Everything you need to see
is big, bold and easy to read from a distance. I can
see how panel mounting would work for this unit. I
think it would be way to far away for Anywhere map.
This was one of my concerns when buying the unit and I
am surprised how good it is.
6) approaches: Database has all the intersections but
only the FAF and Runway for stored approaches. You can
create routes that mimic the approach. I think best
will be to make the intersections big on the map
(weakness of Avmap) and use it as reference while
setting up approach, then load approach while nearing
FAF and fly as reference. I have not played with VNAV
yet, but it seems one of the weaker features of the
Garmin.
7) Support. Free update coupon with unit and existing
database expired in November.
8) Ability to easily download tracks and import into
google map, etc. (See www.vansairforce.net)
9) flight log - looks interesting, have not tried yet
10) panel page - fast refresh rate. Will try partial
panel with this alone this weekend (with instructor of
course!)
11) 496 comes with all the acessories (auto, yoke
mount, Li-ION battery). AvMAP does not. Yoke is
another 70-100, batteries ~ 50 (NiMH AA). No automount
for the avmap (and no database).
12) I ordered full aviator XM package, easy to switch
from one to the other. I also got the XM audio for
6.99 more. Wish they had NPR too, but BBC is ok.
13) Safetaxi is a nice feature. I never liked Anywhere
maps version and never used it. It has my home field
in it. I'm surprised it "comes on" at the map scale
that it does and I thought it would wait until much
closer (or more zoomed in). Perhaps a setting issue. I
can't find any info on what airports are or are not in
the Safetaxi database but it seems they picked mostly
big tower fields with crossing runways. (makes sense)
14) I did drive along with the preloaded auto map.
This works well and is very similar to the one in the
car. Our 2nd car does not have mapping so perhaps I
will take along on big trips.
Is the Garmin 496 worth ~ 2800? I think so.
Situational awareness is fantastic - XM pushes TFR's
out as well and if you don't like it a year from now I
bet you can find a buyer for a fair fraction of the
original.
I was surprised how little independent info was out on
comparisions. That's why I took the time to write this
up. Hopefully, some of you have found it useful.... I
may eventually put in the RV-10 with an SL-30 and
mode-S transponder. For less than 9k you could have
ILS/VOR approaches, traffic, weather, XM-radio,
linking to SL-30 for radio frequencies, and 496 can
also drive an autopilot (via GPS to CDI conversion
box. Dynon for Attitude, HSI display, etc for another
~ 3k.
1/5/07
Eric Panning
Flying Cherokee and building 40150 (stuck on
fuselage..)
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I've got my engine hung and am getting ready to fit the cowling, but I don't
have a prop or hub. I do have the spinner, but need to know the exact size
of the constant speed prop hub to ensure proper spacing. I figured I'd be
able to insert a spacer between the spinner backplate and flywheel. I did
check archives and vans does have a note online but I really need to hear
some actual measured dimensions to be able to sleep at night. I'm sure some
would also be interested in knowing if the MT and Hartzel are dimensionally
the same. Any and all input would be greatly appreciated.
Steve
40205
Iflyrv10.com
Coming soon
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| Subject: | Re: prop hub space |
For the hartzel prop make that space 2.00 in.
Roger 40079
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| Subject: | sirius VS XM, Throttle |
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: sirius VS XM, Throttle
WSI will be the sirius related provider of weather datalink. They
have the signal up now, and customers will move to it by about
April 2007. A complete migration to sirius will be done by
Septemer.
Additionally, if you're looking for Sirius music, you should
be highly interested in the PS Engineering 8000SR intercom/audio
panel. I have the 8000 standard (no sirius) and it's fantastic.
The 8000SR incorporates sirius satellite radio.
Yeah, WSI that's the one. You don't have any pricing on that service do you?
Could you post a link to their website?
Craig Smith
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I am in the process of wiring my panel. I bought a small 3 outlet avionics
fan and am trying to figure out where to mount it and where to run the
tubes. My avionics include 2 Chelton screens (sans GADHRS -#$%&!), 2 SL30s,
GTX330, PM8000, AFS3400. None of state the need for a fan or have a
connection for the tube.
What recommendations can you make?
John Testement
HYPERLINK "mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com"jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
FWF, engine, wiring
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| Subject: | Re: sirius VS XM, Throttle |
http://www.wsi.com
Service plans: http://www.wsi.com/aviation/products/inflight/service.asp
The pricing model will likely change with the sirius system change,
from what I hear. I don't know if there is any finality to it
yet. I believe, but am not sure, that they're trying to better
give more models of service for tiered pricing, like what XM is
doing, so they're more competitive for the small GA planes.
But, until we see the pricing, that's just rumor.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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C Smith wrote:
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:21 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: sirius VS XM, Throttle
>
>
>
>
> WSI will be the sirius related provider of weather datalink. They
> have the signal up now, and customers will move to it by about
> April 2007. A complete migration to sirius will be done by
> Septemer.
>
>
> Additionally, if you're looking for Sirius music, you should
> be highly interested in the PS Engineering 8000SR intercom/audio
> panel. I have the 8000 standard (no sirius) and it's fantastic.
> The 8000SR incorporates sirius satellite radio.
>
>
>
> Yeah, WSI that's the one. You don't have any pricing on that service do you?
> Could you post a link to their website?
> Craig Smith
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: sirius VS XM, Throttle |
I got my wife Sirius last Xmas because of that tool they paid 500
million to. ;-)
I would suggest the portable route, this way you only have one subscription.
Larry Rosen
#356
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> You can stream Sirius from the Web and it's also carried on DISH but
> pared down a bit for duplicates like the news channels and such. This
> was discussed recently but you should try both before you buy if
> possible. I've had both for extended periods and ended up with Sirius
> as my final choice, and not because of that tool they paid 500 million
> to. :-)
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 1:50 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: sirius VS XM, Throttle
>
>
> Re XM and Sirius
> I'm an NPR builder (WUNC) and a 396 owner. I thought I might feel your
> pain but I don't because:
> - I have high speed Web access in my shop
> - The best radio for NPR may be a Web connected PC streaming NPR from
> whatever you listen too. Since my local NPR outlet is streamed 24
> hours, I can get exactly what I normally get, plus I can pick any of the
>
> other streaming sources and pickup shows I'm still discovering. YMMV
> - Almost all NPR shows are available as free podcasts. More work but a
> good option when you want something specific
> - My XM account allows me to stream (most of) XM's offerings on the Web.
>
> Does Sirius offer this? I use that a lot more than I use the actual
> satellite thru my 396
> - There's a recent news item speculating that it may be time for XM to
> acquire Sirius or vice-a-versa. Potentially good and bad news I'd say
>
> Re: Sticks, yokes, gliders, power, quadrants, push pulls and verniers
> I've managed to fly all combinations at least a little bit and found
> very little adjustment required. And very little preference given the
> aircraft involved. After 5 hours, I'm not even thinking about it
> (except for the vernier throttle on my Maule - took at least 20 hours
> before it faded into proficiency). I flew 1000+ glider hours
> uninterrupted by vibrator flying and found the 10 hour transition back
> was mainly about that little wheel in the back. I wouldn't worry *at
> all* about power adjustments in the '10. The throttle will never work
> as well as spoilers but who needs a stink'n engine to hit a spot or
> grease it on?
>
> I'm still drilling myself on "go arounds" as in, "remember Mauledriver,
>
> if it doesn't look right you can go try it again". There are a few
> off-fields where I wish that was an option :-)
>
> Be Happy
> Bill (riveting and riveting the tailcone and still trying to finish
> those darn elevators while the QB dusts over) Watson
>
> John Gonzalez wrote:
>
>>
> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
>> My wife got my a XM radio receiver for Christmas, but before I
>> connected it to the car and hook it to the home stereo, I checked
>> their programming. XM does not have NPR so I really need to go with
>> Sirius. I have at least one more year before flying and my building
>> hours require NPR.
>>
>> Garmin seems affiliated with XM and I wanted to have a 396 or 496.
>> What systems are afiliated with Sirius for weather data link?
>>
>> Lastly, this is a crazy question. Back when I flew power, all the
>> planes had yokes, so it was easy to fly left hand on the yoke and
>> right hand on the throttle. I am so used to flying stick in the
>> glider, 600+ hours (With no Throttle) that I really believe that
>> landing the 10 and power adjustments will be strange, having to put
>> the stick in the left hand and opperate the throttle with the right.
>>
>> Two choices, fly from the right seat or have dual throttle controls,
>> one on the far left and one in the middle. Is this not an issue for
>> anyone. Power to altitude, pitch to airspeed, that's what I was
>>
> taught.
>
>> On the glider even the spoilers are left hand operated and can be
>> thought of as power.
>>
>> Anyone want to take a stab at this.
>>
>> John G.
>>
>> #409, everywhere and nowhere, and with a portable radioshack radio in
>> the shop that keeps loosing reception.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: sirius VS XM, Throttle |
Hey John
Suggest you get some time in (preferably) a RV-10 or another left
stick airplane, see how it goes.
Just some personal experience:
I transitioned to a left -hand stick in a Luscombe from various
other yoke and center stick airplanes - seemed natural enough to me -
never an issue. I might have had 3-400 hours at the time.
I also took a few hours with Alex this last December in his 10, and
the stick in the left hand was not an issue,. There were times when I
wanted to use my right hand to operate the coolie hat trim, though-
strength required on stick. That was my first stick flying since I
sold my glider in about 1998.
I'll bet you find this is not something to worry about.
John Ackerman
On Jan 5, 2007, at 10:41 AM, John Gonzalez wrote:
> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
> My wife got my a XM radio receiver for Christmas, but before I
> connected it to the car and hook it to the home stereo, I checked
> their programming. XM does not have NPR so I really need to go
> with Sirius. I have at least one more year before flying and my
> building hours require NPR.
>
> Garmin seems affiliated with XM and I wanted to have a 396 or 496.
> What systems are afiliated with Sirius for weather data link?
>
> Lastly, this is a crazy question. Back when I flew power, all the
> planes had yokes, so it was easy to fly left hand on the yoke and
> right hand on the throttle. I am so used to flying stick in the
> glider, 600+ hours (With no Throttle) that I really believe that
> landing the 10 and power adjustments will be strange, having to put
> the stick in the left hand and opperate the throttle with the right.
>
> Two choices, fly from the right seat or have dual throttle
> controls, one on the far left and one in the middle. Is this not an
> issue for anyone. Power to altitude, pitch to airspeed, that's
> what I was taught.
>
> On the glider even the spoilers are left hand operated and can be
> thought of as power.
>
> Anyone want to take a stab at this.
>
> John G.
>
> #409, everywhere and nowhere, and with a portable radioshack radio
> in the shop that keeps loosing reception.
>
>
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| Subject: | sirius VS XM, Throttle |
Man, I was beginning to wonder if anyone around here actually listened
to him. Took long enough. LMAO
Michael
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: sirius VS XM, Throttle
I got my wife Sirius last Xmas because of that tool they paid 500
million to. ;-)
I would suggest the portable route, this way you only have one
subscription.
Larry Rosen
#356
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> You can stream Sirius from the Web and it's also carried on DISH but
> pared down a bit for duplicates like the news channels and such. This
> was discussed recently but you should try both before you buy if
> possible. I've had both for extended periods and ended up with Sirius
> as my final choice, and not because of that tool they paid 500 million
> to. :-)
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 1:50 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: sirius VS XM, Throttle
>
>
> Re XM and Sirius
> I'm an NPR builder (WUNC) and a 396 owner. I thought I might feel
your
> pain but I don't because:
> - I have high speed Web access in my shop
> - The best radio for NPR may be a Web connected PC streaming NPR from
> whatever you listen too. Since my local NPR outlet is streamed 24
> hours, I can get exactly what I normally get, plus I can pick any of
the
>
> other streaming sources and pickup shows I'm still discovering. YMMV
> - Almost all NPR shows are available as free podcasts. More work but
a
> good option when you want something specific
> - My XM account allows me to stream (most of) XM's offerings on the
Web.
>
> Does Sirius offer this? I use that a lot more than I use the actual
> satellite thru my 396
> - There's a recent news item speculating that it may be time for XM to
> acquire Sirius or vice-a-versa. Potentially good and bad news I'd say
>
> Re: Sticks, yokes, gliders, power, quadrants, push pulls and verniers
> I've managed to fly all combinations at least a little bit and found
> very little adjustment required. And very little preference given the
> aircraft involved. After 5 hours, I'm not even thinking about it
> (except for the vernier throttle on my Maule - took at least 20 hours
> before it faded into proficiency). I flew 1000+ glider hours
> uninterrupted by vibrator flying and found the 10 hour transition back
> was mainly about that little wheel in the back. I wouldn't worry *at
> all* about power adjustments in the '10. The throttle will never work
> as well as spoilers but who needs a stink'n engine to hit a spot or
> grease it on?
>
> I'm still drilling myself on "go arounds" as in, "remember
Mauledriver,
>
> if it doesn't look right you can go try it again". There are a few
> off-fields where I wish that was an option :-)
>
> Be Happy
> Bill (riveting and riveting the tailcone and still trying to finish
> those darn elevators while the QB dusts over) Watson
>
> John Gonzalez wrote:
>
>>
> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
>> My wife got my a XM radio receiver for Christmas, but before I
>> connected it to the car and hook it to the home stereo, I checked
>> their programming. XM does not have NPR so I really need to go with
>> Sirius. I have at least one more year before flying and my building
>> hours require NPR.
>>
>> Garmin seems affiliated with XM and I wanted to have a 396 or 496.
>> What systems are afiliated with Sirius for weather data link?
>>
>> Lastly, this is a crazy question. Back when I flew power, all the
>> planes had yokes, so it was easy to fly left hand on the yoke and
>> right hand on the throttle. I am so used to flying stick in the
>> glider, 600+ hours (With no Throttle) that I really believe that
>> landing the 10 and power adjustments will be strange, having to put
>> the stick in the left hand and opperate the throttle with the right.
>>
>> Two choices, fly from the right seat or have dual throttle controls,
>> one on the far left and one in the middle. Is this not an issue for
>> anyone. Power to altitude, pitch to airspeed, that's what I was
>>
> taught.
>
>> On the glider even the spoilers are left hand operated and can be
>> thought of as power.
>>
>> Anyone want to take a stab at this.
>>
>> John G.
>>
>> #409, everywhere and nowhere, and with a portable radioshack radio in
>> the shop that keeps loosing reception.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | sirius VS XM, Throttle |
John,
Your concern is not uncommon, however I honestly feel it is overrated.
I have about 6000 hours, roughly half in fighters and the other half in
"small" Boeing and Airbus machines where I fly with the flight controls in
the right hand and throttle(s) in the left. I managed to get about 100
hours in my RV-6 before the engine ate itself and have 119 in the RV-10.
The transition was definitely not an issue as far as sitting in the left
with a center throttle. Switching to helicopter controls is a much bigger
event and people still manage to overcome it.
My recommendation would be to find someone who will let you fly left seat in
any Van's airplane and I suspect you will find that it is not a big issue.
Marcus
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:42 PM
Subject: RV10-List: sirius VS XM, Throttle
My wife got my a XM radio receiver for Christmas, but before I connected it
to the car and hook it to the home stereo, I checked their programming. XM
does not have NPR so I really need to go with Sirius. I have at least one
more year before flying and my building hours require NPR.
Garmin seems affiliated with XM and I wanted to have a 396 or 496. What
systems are afiliated with Sirius for weather data link?
Lastly, this is a crazy question. Back when I flew power, all the planes
had yokes, so it was easy to fly left hand on the yoke and right hand on the
throttle. I am so used to flying stick in the glider, 600+ hours (With no
Throttle) that I really believe that landing the 10 and power adjustments
will be strange, having to put the stick in the left hand and opperate the
throttle with the right.
Two choices, fly from the right seat or have dual throttle controls, one on
the far left and one in the middle. Is this not an issue for anyone. Power
to altitude, pitch to airspeed, that's what I was taught.
On the glider even the spoilers are left hand operated and can be thought of
as power.
Anyone want to take a stab at this.
John G.
#409, everywhere and nowhere, and with a portable radioshack radio in the
shop that keeps loosing reception.
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If you call a local prop shop they will most likely have an old Hartzell and
maybe an old MT prop hub laying around that they will either give to you or
let you borrow. Just make sure it is a compatible hub for the type of prop
you are using, but I have done this twice and have two Hartzell prop hubs to
work with. Any prop shop will know what hub is compatible with your model
number of prop.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DiNieri
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 5:51 PM
Subject: RV10-List: prop hub space
I've got my engine hung and am getting ready to fit the cowling, but I don't
have a prop or hub. I do have the spinner, but need to know the exact size
of the constant speed prop hub to ensure proper spacing. I figured I'd be
able to insert a spacer between the spinner backplate and flywheel. I did
check archives and vans does have a note online but I really need to hear
some actual measured dimensions to be able to sleep at night. I'm sure some
would also be interested in knowing if the MT and Hartzel are dimensionally
the same. Any and all input would be greatly appreciated.
Steve
40205
Iflyrv10.com
Coming soon
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| Subject: | Avmap IV, Anywhere MAP, and Garmin 496 review |
Thanks to everyone. Thanks Eric for this great, informative post.
JOhn G
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>From: Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com, eric_panning@yahoo.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Avmap IV, Anywhere MAP, and Garmin 496 review
>Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:57:39 -0800 (PST)
>
>
>I've recently bought the AVMAP and gave it a brief
>test flight under IFR during a lesson (I have about 12
>hrs IFR inst.) I ended up returning it for the
>following reasons.
>
>1) It is big, which is great - but it is really too
>big for my Cherokee 180 yoke in horizontal and too
>tall vertical.
>2) In map mode, it does not overlay an HSI. I really
>did not like this. It also jumped around from track up
>to north up, etc. I'm sure if I worked with it more I
>would have gotten it to settle down. However, in my
>scan - I have only ~ 2-3 seconds to spend looking at
>the GPS. Not enough time to worry about track vs
>north, etc. Also plane would jump around in position
>on the screen. The screen is big enough that it should
>always be centered. In vertical mode, the plane is far
>enough down on the screen that you are almost looking
>at your lap.
>3) Screen is bright, very legible, but critical items
>are small on the screen. VOR, NDB's etc are hard to
>read.
>4) Menu logic takes getting use to. small joy stick on
>unit was biggest disappointment. It was inconsistent
>in operation and did not provide positive feedback.
>5) No easy way to export/import flight routes or
>tracks
>6) ~ 90 min battery life
>7) No XM Weather yet. They have a USB port but not
>audio out.
>8) Database was 6+ months out of date on receipt and
>no free upgrade to current.
>9) Antenna was fantastic and reception was very good
>even in the garage. They have apparently moved to 20
>channel GPS but mine had 12 channel. (Old stock?
>Ordered from one of their largest dealers...)
>10) Too wide to fit within the constraints of an audio
>stack panel mount.
>11) Terrain was high res and nicely done
>12) Did not use airways or approach features.
>13) Only used for 2 hrs in flight + 5 hrs on the
>ground so consider this a first impression.
>
>Anywhere map:
>I've been using this system for years. I current use a
>Dell 50v, with a bluetooth GPS, and current anywhere
>map software. I've decided that I need a new option as
>touch screen is not good for IFR
>
>1) Compromise. If you have and need a PDA, not a bad
>option. I have a blackberry now and don't use the PDA
>for anything else.
>2) Screen is not very bright, not as good as IPAQ
>units (also had one of those). Washes out in direct
>sun and AR coating on screen not as good (wear a black
>shirt and not white... unless you want to see yourself
>in the screen.)
>3) Zoom delay is significant - ~ 4 seconds for a
>detailed screen
>4) Display is a little bit smaller than Garmin but
>display logic is not as good by far. non-tower
>Airports are in a magenta that washes out easily.
>Discussed this with them and they wanted to duplicate
>sectional - but doesn't make sense if you cannot read
>airport details
>5) Touch screen interface is biggest liability. if
>it's bumpy, you will have trouble entering info and
>navigating menu's. This was key motivation for seeking
>a replacement.
>6) I do not have XM weather for anywhere map, I think
>it is pricey
>7) I will be selling this system soon, with yoke
>mount, GPS, etc...
>8) If you lose the plane power, PDA battery drains
>quickly. Night dim on the 50V is still bright enough
>to be a distraction.
>
>
>Garmin 496:
>After trying potential options, I returned the AvMAP
>IV and bought a 496. I have not flown with it yet in
>the plane, but I have flown it all over the place
>using simulator mode (and car)
>
>First impressions:
>1) Garmin has a polished product that really works
>2) All the area where the PDA/AvMAP let me down,
>Garmin seems to have gotten right. Menu is very
>intuitive and easy to follow - despite complexity of
>the unit. Rocker button is excellent.
>3) XM Weather is incredible. You can flip through
>weather charts on the ground and conduct your own
>pre-flight briefing - Nexrad, satellite, metar, TAF,
>freezing level, cloud tops, winds, TFR's, airmet,
>sigmet, etc in a couple of minutes. Great background
>for when you call the briefer...
>4) Weather overlay with moving map is great. Easy to
>get rid and bring back all the weather too. Very fast
>screen updates.
>5) Screen is 3.8", just a little bit bigger than Dell
>50v. However, it is much brighter and display logic
>from Garmin is excellent. Everything you need to see
>is big, bold and easy to read from a distance. I can
>see how panel mounting would work for this unit. I
>think it would be way to far away for Anywhere map.
>This was one of my concerns when buying the unit and I
>am surprised how good it is.
>6) approaches: Database has all the intersections but
>only the FAF and Runway for stored approaches. You can
>create routes that mimic the approach. I think best
>will be to make the intersections big on the map
>(weakness of Avmap) and use it as reference while
>setting up approach, then load approach while nearing
>FAF and fly as reference. I have not played with VNAV
>yet, but it seems one of the weaker features of the
>Garmin.
>7) Support. Free update coupon with unit and existing
>database expired in November.
>8) Ability to easily download tracks and import into
>google map, etc. (See www.vansairforce.net)
>9) flight log - looks interesting, have not tried yet
>10) panel page - fast refresh rate. Will try partial
>panel with this alone this weekend (with instructor of
>course!)
>11) 496 comes with all the acessories (auto, yoke
>mount, Li-ION battery). AvMAP does not. Yoke is
>another 70-100, batteries ~ 50 (NiMH AA). No automount
>for the avmap (and no database).
>12) I ordered full aviator XM package, easy to switch
>from one to the other. I also got the XM audio for
>6.99 more. Wish they had NPR too, but BBC is ok.
>13) Safetaxi is a nice feature. I never liked Anywhere
>maps version and never used it. It has my home field
>in it. I'm surprised it "comes on" at the map scale
>that it does and I thought it would wait until much
>closer (or more zoomed in). Perhaps a setting issue. I
>can't find any info on what airports are or are not in
>the Safetaxi database but it seems they picked mostly
>big tower fields with crossing runways. (makes sense)
>14) I did drive along with the preloaded auto map.
>This works well and is very similar to the one in the
>car. Our 2nd car does not have mapping so perhaps I
>will take along on big trips.
>
>Is the Garmin 496 worth ~ 2800? I think so.
>Situational awareness is fantastic - XM pushes TFR's
>out as well and if you don't like it a year from now I
>bet you can find a buyer for a fair fraction of the
>original.
>
>I was surprised how little independent info was out on
>comparisions. That's why I took the time to write this
>up. Hopefully, some of you have found it useful.... I
>may eventually put in the RV-10 with an SL-30 and
>mode-S transponder. For less than 9k you could have
>ILS/VOR approaches, traffic, weather, XM-radio,
>linking to SL-30 for radio frequencies, and 496 can
>also drive an autopilot (via GPS to CDI conversion
>box. Dynon for Attitude, HSI display, etc for another
>~ 3k.
>
>1/5/07
>Eric Panning
>Flying Cherokee and building 40150 (stuck on
>fuselage..)
>
>
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