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1. 05:14 AM - Re: Thanks for the web sites (Michael Wellenzohn)
2. 05:57 AM - Re: Avionics fan (Tim Olson)
3. 07:29 AM - Re: Source for Laser/WaterJet cutting (noel@blueskyaviation.net)
4. 10:19 AM - Removable Steps? (Eric Parlow)
5. 10:50 AM - Re: Removable Steps? (Ralph E. Capen)
6. 10:53 AM - Re: Removable Steps? (Jesse Saint)
7. 11:07 AM - Re: Removable Steps? (John Gonzalez)
8. 11:41 AM - Re: Avionics fan (jdalton77)
9. 12:18 PM - Re: Avionics fan (Tim Olson)
10. 01:01 PM - Derburring Rib Flange Slots (arthurww)
11. 01:15 PM - Re: Derburring Rib Flange Slots (Mike Lauritsen - Work)
12. 01:35 PM - Re: Derburring Rib Flange Slots (MauleDriver)
13. 01:54 PM - Re: Derburring Rib Flange Slots (Mike Lauritsen - Work)
14. 02:30 PM - Re: Re: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? (Michael D Chase)
15. 03:04 PM - Re: Derburring Rib Flange Slots (John Gonzalez)
16. 03:29 PM - Re: Avionics fan (jdalton77)
17. 03:31 PM - Re: Source for Laser/WaterJet cutting (Deems Davis)
18. 03:51 PM - Re: Derburring Rib Flange Slots (arthurww)
19. 04:24 PM - Re: Avionics fan (Tim Olson)
20. 07:07 PM - Re: Re: Derburring Rib Flange Slots (Rick)
21. 07:20 PM - Re: Avionics fan (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
22. 07:47 PM - Re: Avionics fan (Jesse Saint)
23. 08:15 PM - Re: Source for Laser/WaterJet cutting (Rob Wright)
24. 09:06 PM - Re: Derburring Rib Flange Slots (kilopapa@antelecom.net)
25. 09:14 PM - Re: Engine mount was - Source for Laser/WaterJet cutting (Deems Davis)
26. 11:32 PM - First 100 FLYING RV-10's List (ddddsp1@juno.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks for the web sites |
Hi Mike,
I also use the websites before I go for the next steps. Sofar I didn't find many
details regarding QB Wings but will post them on my website as I go along. Regarding
your tools, I find out with every new Kit what tools I miss.
Have fun building
Michael (QB Wings)
http://www.wellenzohn.net
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#511
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics fan |
I'm not sure the name of the one I got, but as Dan said, Stein sells
it. Mine is that nice 3-port Dan referred to.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
>
> Stein sells a nice three port fan assembly for cooling avionics.
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
> Standley
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:38 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Avionics fan
>
>
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> I must have missed it but which fan are you using and where did you find
> it?
>
> Roger
> #40291
>
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| Subject: | Source for Laser/WaterJet cutting |
Solid works just created the "art work" for the labiling. using trexure I
think (the people on the list may know better) you will want silk
screeaning witch will need the same Art work as I created for labeling.
Blue Sky Aviation, Inc.
406-538-6574
www.blueskyaviation.net
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| Subject: | Removable Steps? |
Has anyone considered a removable step to reduce drag?
ERic
40014
Finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Removable Steps? |
There is a retractable step kit for the 6A.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Eric Parlow <ericparlow@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Jan 9, 2007 1:15 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Removable Steps?
>
>
>Has anyone considered a removable step to reduce drag?
>
>ERic
>40014
>Finishing
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| Subject: | Removable Steps? |
The amount of drag on the steps, IMHO, especially with the airfoil shape,
would be unmeasurable as far as a difference in speed. On a Lancair
cruising at 300Kts it may be a big deal, but on an RV-10 cruising at 175, I
don't think it would be worth the trouble. It is not hard to make it
removeable, though. We are making them removeable by opening an access
panel in the baggage floor as many on the list have talked about. The
benefit of this is not having the step in the way when working on the plane,
especially before the wings are installed. It can really do a number on the
shins if you don't watch out. Also, if it loosens over time and with use,
it will be helpful to be able to drill the hole again and put a bigger bolt,
or replace the step if necessary.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Parlow
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 1:15 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Removable Steps?
Has anyone considered a removable step to reduce drag?
ERic
40014
Finishing
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| Subject: | Removable Steps? |
Mine are removable, but not for drag reasons, but to get the fuselage out of
my basement. Making them removable as I have, shows me that it is too
difficult to take these on and off for the reasons of flight.
You could make custom receivers that the step tube could insert into, but
you would have to modify the existing step by cutting off the tube from the
step and re welding a smaller tube that would go into the old one which is
anchorred into the fuselage.
Personally, I think its more work than its worth. Better to gap seal all
your control surfaces.
John G.
#409
>From: "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow@hotmail.com>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Removable Steps?
>Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:15:29 -0500
>
>
>Has anyone considered a removable step to reduce drag?
>
>ERic
>40014
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics fan |
I found deals on avionics and defrost fans at CompuUSA or any other computer
parts store. Nice 2 or 3 fan units on mounting plates (12v) that do a great
job. $9.99 each.
Jeff
#40544
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 11:55 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Avionics fan
>
> Stein sells a nice three port fan assembly for cooling avionics.
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
> Standley
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:38 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Avionics fan
>
>
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> I must have missed it but which fan are you using and where did you find
> it?
>
> Roger
> #40291
>
>
>>From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Avionics fan
>>Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 08:25:49 -0600
>>
>>
>>The GTX330 does have a place for a fan tube to mount. I have
>>a fan, but have yet to connect the air tubes. Right now it's
>>just circulating air around, blowing downward, while the
>>hot air is rising upwards. I'm too lazy to finish the job
>>right now. It's mounted on one of the longitudinal panel ribs,
>>in the forward secton of the upper forward fuselage...mine is
>>on the copilot side. The other side's rib is also where I
>>mounted things like the stall horn. You could make a flange
>>and try to connect it to the Chelton screens and the GTX330
>>has the mount, but I haven't found them to have issues since
>>they have their own fans. I wouldn't worry about the SL30/
>>definitely not about the PMA8000. Don't know about the AFS3400.
>>If they don't say they need them, I'd skip it unless you can
>>easily make it work. Make sure you're now blowing air into
>>an exhaust exit fan.
>>
>>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>do not archive
>>
>>
>>John Testement wrote:
>>>I am in the process of wiring my panel. I bought a small 3 outlet
> avionics
>>>fan and am trying to figure out where to mount it and where to run the
>
>>>tubes. My avionics include 2 Chelton screens (sans GADHRS -#$%&!), 2
>>>SL30s, GTX330, PM8000, AFS3400. None of state the need for a fan or
> have a
>>>connection for the tube.
>>> What recommendations can you make?
>>> John Testement
>>>jwt@roadmapscoaching.com <mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
>>>40321
>>>Richmond, VA
>>>FWF, engine, wiring
>>>do not archive
>>>
>>>--
>>>1/4/2007
>>>
>>>*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics fan |
Are you sure you know what we mean by acutal avionics fans? They're
a blower design, with 3 output tubes of about 5/8-3/4" so you can
attach hoses that go on flanges on the avionics.
If the goal is just to replace a muffin fan on an item, then yeah,
there are lots of cheap fans that do the job. Do buy ball bearing
though.
The avionics fans are different. They're still overpriced, but
they're not just a cheap flat muffin fan.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
jdalton77 wrote:
>
> I found deals on avionics and defrost fans at CompuUSA or any other
> computer parts store. Nice 2 or 3 fan units on mounting plates (12v)
> that do a great job. $9.99 each.
>
> Jeff
> #40544
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 11:55 PM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Avionics fan
>
>
>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>>
>> Stein sells a nice three port fan assembly for cooling avionics.
>> Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
>> Standley
>> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:38 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Avionics fan
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> I must have missed it but which fan are you using and where did you find
>> it?
>>
>> Roger
>> #40291
>>
>>
>>> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Avionics fan
>>> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 08:25:49 -0600
>>>
>>>
>>> The GTX330 does have a place for a fan tube to mount. I have
>>> a fan, but have yet to connect the air tubes. Right now it's
>>> just circulating air around, blowing downward, while the
>>> hot air is rising upwards. I'm too lazy to finish the job
>>> right now. It's mounted on one of the longitudinal panel ribs,
>>> in the forward secton of the upper forward fuselage...mine is
>>> on the copilot side. The other side's rib is also where I
>>> mounted things like the stall horn. You could make a flange
>>> and try to connect it to the Chelton screens and the GTX330
>>> has the mount, but I haven't found them to have issues since
>>> they have their own fans. I wouldn't worry about the SL30/
>>> definitely not about the PMA8000. Don't know about the AFS3400.
>>> If they don't say they need them, I'd skip it unless you can
>>> easily make it work. Make sure you're now blowing air into
>>> an exhaust exit fan.
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> John Testement wrote:
>>>> I am in the process of wiring my panel. I bought a small 3 outlet
>> avionics
>>>> fan and am trying to figure out where to mount it and where to run the
>>
>>>> tubes. My avionics include 2 Chelton screens (sans GADHRS -#$%&!), 2
>>>> SL30s, GTX330, PM8000, AFS3400. None of state the need for a fan or
>> have a
>>>> connection for the tube.
>>>> What recommendations can you make?
>>>> John Testement
>>>> jwt@roadmapscoaching.com <mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
>>>> 40321
>>>> Richmond, VA
>>>> FWF, engine, wiring
>>>> do not archive
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> 1/4/2007
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Derburring Rib Flange Slots |
Looked at the ribs for the VS last night.
Alot of head scratching... how on earth am I supposed
to deburr those flange slots?
How have you done it?
Can anyone point me towards that magic tool?
Regards
Arthur
--------
#40641 EMP
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| Subject: | Re: Derburring Rib Flange Slots |
I drag scotch brite through folded in half
On 1/9/07, arthurww <arthur@cftech.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Looked at the ribs for the VS last night.
>
> Alot of head scratching... how on earth am I supposed
> to deburr those flange slots?
> How have you done it?
>
> Can anyone point me towards that magic tool?
> Regards
> Arthur
>
> --------
> #40641 EMP
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=86619#86619
>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010007_275.jpg
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>
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Mike Lauritsen
Cleaveland Aircraft Tool
515-432-6794
www.cleavelandtool.com
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| Subject: | Re: Derburring Rib Flange Slots |
I learned from the folks at the Alexander Tech Center to do it with the
scotchbrite wheels. Not pretty but fast and effective. Don't know how
I would explain it though. I'm curious what others do too.
arthurww wrote:
>
> Looked at the ribs for the VS last night.
>
> Alot of head scratching... how on earth am I supposed
> to deburr those flange slots?
> How have you done it?
>
> Can anyone point me towards that magic tool?
> Regards
> Arthur
>
> --------
> #40641 EMP
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=86619#86619
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010007_275.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Derburring Rib Flange Slots |
I do that to the outside... you get the inside?
On 1/9/07, MauleDriver <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> I learned from the folks at the Alexander Tech Center to do it with the
> scotchbrite wheels. Not pretty but fast and effective. Don't know how
> I would explain it though. I'm curious what others do too.
>
> arthurww wrote:
> >
> > Looked at the ribs for the VS last night.
> >
> > Alot of head scratching... how on earth am I supposed
> > to deburr those flange slots?
> > How have you done it?
> >
> > Can anyone point me towards that magic tool?
> > Regards
> > Arthur
> >
> > --------
> > #40641 EMP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=86619#86619
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010007_275.jpg
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
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Mike Lauritsen
Cleaveland Aircraft Tool
515-432-6794
www.cleavelandtool.com
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| Subject: | Re: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? |
Eric,
Thanks sounds like I need to think about ordering now, or more accurately
do my taxes to make sure I can afford to order them:-).
You mentioned fuel sendors, over to the crowd what else do you I need to
order with the wings? I am trying to go cheap so am not planning on doing
anything to fancy, just lights and an attempt at a cheap IFR cockpit, if
such a thing exists..
Michael Chase
General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products
802-657-6029 Office
802-922-5930 Cell
mchase@gdatp.com
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Subject: RV10-List: Re: Van's shipping department, where
did everyone go??
I just got my standard or slow-build wings in November. It took 8 weeks to
get them shipped. I ordered some parts such as the fuel senders and some
tubing. 2 weeks after the order was placed it finally showed up. As for
the tailcone I spent about 85 hours on it.
Eric Kallio
40518-leading edges
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| Subject: | Re: Derburring Rib Flange Slots |
Get one of those black emery boards with the cushioned backing at the
pharmacy. They work great. Each side has a different coarseness. The round
part of the flange can be down done with the deburring blade tool.
JOhn G.
>From: "Mike Lauritsen - Work" <mike@cleavelandtool.com>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Derburring Rib Flange Slots
>Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:13:59 -0600
>
>I drag scotch brite through folded in half
>
>
>On 1/9/07, arthurww <arthur@cftech.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Looked at the ribs for the VS last night.
>>
>>Alot of head scratching... how on earth am I supposed
>>to deburr those flange slots?
>>How have you done it?
>>
>>Can anyone point me towards that magic tool?
>>Regards
>>Arthur
>>
>>--------
>>#40641 EMP
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=86619#86619
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Attachments:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010007_275.jpg
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>
>
>--
>Mike Lauritsen
>Cleaveland Aircraft Tool
>515-432-6794
>www.cleavelandtool.com
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics fan |
No, I guess I wasn't sure what "we" meant by avionics fans. And who are
"we?" I only noticed one question. Is there some secret cabal of
experienced builders that are all "in the know," or are we all learning as
we go?
Thanks for letting me know.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Avionics fan
>
> Are you sure you know what we mean by acutal avionics fans? They're
> a blower design, with 3 output tubes of about 5/8-3/4" so you can
> attach hoses that go on flanges on the avionics.
>
> If the goal is just to replace a muffin fan on an item, then yeah,
> there are lots of cheap fans that do the job. Do buy ball bearing
> though.
>
> The avionics fans are different. They're still overpriced, but
> they're not just a cheap flat muffin fan.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> jdalton77 wrote:
>>
>> I found deals on avionics and defrost fans at CompuUSA or any other
>> computer parts store. Nice 2 or 3 fan units on mounting plates (12v)
>> that do a great job. $9.99 each.
>>
>> Jeff
>> #40544
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 11:55 PM
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Avionics fan
>>
>>
>>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>>>
>>> Stein sells a nice three port fan assembly for cooling avionics.
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
>>> Standley
>>> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:38 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Avionics fan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Tim,
>>>
>>> I must have missed it but which fan are you using and where did you find
>>> it?
>>>
>>> Roger
>>> #40291
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Avionics fan
>>>> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 08:25:49 -0600
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The GTX330 does have a place for a fan tube to mount. I have
>>>> a fan, but have yet to connect the air tubes. Right now it's
>>>> just circulating air around, blowing downward, while the
>>>> hot air is rising upwards. I'm too lazy to finish the job
>>>> right now. It's mounted on one of the longitudinal panel ribs,
>>>> in the forward secton of the upper forward fuselage...mine is
>>>> on the copilot side. The other side's rib is also where I
>>>> mounted things like the stall horn. You could make a flange
>>>> and try to connect it to the Chelton screens and the GTX330
>>>> has the mount, but I haven't found them to have issues since
>>>> they have their own fans. I wouldn't worry about the SL30/
>>>> definitely not about the PMA8000. Don't know about the AFS3400.
>>>> If they don't say they need them, I'd skip it unless you can
>>>> easily make it work. Make sure you're now blowing air into
>>>> an exhaust exit fan.
>>>>
>>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>>> do not archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John Testement wrote:
>>>>> I am in the process of wiring my panel. I bought a small 3 outlet
>>> avionics
>>>>> fan and am trying to figure out where to mount it and where to run the
>>>
>>>>> tubes. My avionics include 2 Chelton screens (sans GADHRS -#$%&!), 2
>>>>> SL30s, GTX330, PM8000, AFS3400. None of state the need for a fan or
>>> have a
>>>>> connection for the tube.
>>>>> What recommendations can you make?
>>>>> John Testement
>>>>> jwt@roadmapscoaching.com <mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
>>>>> 40321
>>>>> Richmond, VA
>>>>> FWF, engine, wiring
>>>>> do not archive
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> 1/4/2007
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Source for Laser/WaterJet cutting |
Thanks to all who provided leads and contact info re this topic I've got
a few more days work to finish off the CAD files, but I think I've got
enough leads to get something worked out.
THANKS Again
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/ -
waiting on engine mount fix to hang engine
Do Not Archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Derburring Rib Flange Slots |
I am getting some emery cloth strip (p400) to try, but will have to work out
a good way to hold the parts because you need 2 hands for the strip.....
--------
#40641 EMP
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=86663#86663
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics fan |
Nope, no secret order of RV-10'ers. Just that Jesse and I both
replied to that one...and my first reply was right behind his.
The avionics fans we (Jesse and I) were talking about were
specifically made for avionics, and I believe they even
carry some type of certification if I remember right.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
jdalton77 wrote:
>
> No, I guess I wasn't sure what "we" meant by avionics fans. And who are
> "we?" I only noticed one question. Is there some secret cabal of
> experienced builders that are all "in the know," or are we all learning
> as we go?
>
>
>
> Thanks for letting me know.
>
>
> Jeff
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:14 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Avionics fan
>
>
>>
>> Are you sure you know what we mean by acutal avionics fans? They're
>> a blower design, with 3 output tubes of about 5/8-3/4" so you can
>> attach hoses that go on flanges on the avionics.
>>
>> If the goal is just to replace a muffin fan on an item, then yeah,
>> there are lots of cheap fans that do the job. Do buy ball bearing
>> though.
>>
>> The avionics fans are different. They're still overpriced, but
>> they're not just a cheap flat muffin fan.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> jdalton77 wrote:
>>>
>>> I found deals on avionics and defrost fans at CompuUSA or any other
>>> computer parts store. Nice 2 or 3 fan units on mounting plates (12v)
>>> that do a great job. $9.99 each.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> #40544
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
>>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 11:55 PM
>>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Avionics fan
>>>
>>>
>>>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>>>>
>>>> Stein sells a nice three port fan assembly for cooling avionics.
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
>>>> Standley
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:38 PM
>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Avionics fan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>
>>>> I must have missed it but which fan are you using and where did you
>>>> find
>>>> it?
>>>>
>>>> Roger
>>>> #40291
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Avionics fan
>>>>> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 08:25:49 -0600
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The GTX330 does have a place for a fan tube to mount. I have
>>>>> a fan, but have yet to connect the air tubes. Right now it's
>>>>> just circulating air around, blowing downward, while the
>>>>> hot air is rising upwards. I'm too lazy to finish the job
>>>>> right now. It's mounted on one of the longitudinal panel ribs,
>>>>> in the forward secton of the upper forward fuselage...mine is
>>>>> on the copilot side. The other side's rib is also where I
>>>>> mounted things like the stall horn. You could make a flange
>>>>> and try to connect it to the Chelton screens and the GTX330
>>>>> has the mount, but I haven't found them to have issues since
>>>>> they have their own fans. I wouldn't worry about the SL30/
>>>>> definitely not about the PMA8000. Don't know about the AFS3400.
>>>>> If they don't say they need them, I'd skip it unless you can
>>>>> easily make it work. Make sure you're now blowing air into
>>>>> an exhaust exit fan.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>>>> do not archive
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John Testement wrote:
>>>>>> I am in the process of wiring my panel. I bought a small 3 outlet
>>>> avionics
>>>>>> fan and am trying to figure out where to mount it and where to run
>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>> tubes. My avionics include 2 Chelton screens (sans GADHRS -#$%&!), 2
>>>>>> SL30s, GTX330, PM8000, AFS3400. None of state the need for a fan or
>>>> have a
>>>>>> connection for the tube.
>>>>>> What recommendations can you make?
>>>>>> John Testement
>>>>>> jwt@roadmapscoaching.com <mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
>>>>>> 40321
>>>>>> Richmond, VA
>>>>>> FWF, engine, wiring
>>>>>> do not archive
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 1/4/2007
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Derburring Rib Flange Slots |
Lowes sells these mini scotchbrite wheels for Dremel tools and Sears has some cone
shaped deburring bits made of similar material. They make quick work of doing
the flanges..Hehe....glad I'm done with that task
Drive on for all you guys looking at that stinking pile of wing ribs!! ;)
Rick S.
40185
RV-10 composite parts
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Ahh see now, Jesse was talking about the flange but it was I who posted
the comment about Stein and then you jumped in making the we....does it
really matter who the we is, as long as you have a builder number, or an
interest in flying you are part of we!
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Avionics fan
Nope, no secret order of RV-10'ers. Just that Jesse and I both
replied to that one...and my first reply was right behind his.
The avionics fans we (Jesse and I) were talking about were
specifically made for avionics, and I believe they even
carry some type of certification if I remember right.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
jdalton77 wrote:
>
> No, I guess I wasn't sure what "we" meant by avionics fans. And who
are
> "we?" I only noticed one question. Is there some secret cabal of
> experienced builders that are all "in the know," or are we all
learning
> as we go?
>
>
>
> Thanks for letting me know.
>
>
> Jeff
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:14 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Avionics fan
>
>
>>
>> Are you sure you know what we mean by acutal avionics fans? They're
>> a blower design, with 3 output tubes of about 5/8-3/4" so you can
>> attach hoses that go on flanges on the avionics.
>>
>> If the goal is just to replace a muffin fan on an item, then yeah,
>> there are lots of cheap fans that do the job. Do buy ball bearing
>> though.
>>
>> The avionics fans are different. They're still overpriced, but
>> they're not just a cheap flat muffin fan.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> jdalton77 wrote:
>>>
>>> I found deals on avionics and defrost fans at CompuUSA or any other
>>> computer parts store. Nice 2 or 3 fan units on mounting plates
(12v)
>>> that do a great job. $9.99 each.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> #40544
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
>>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 11:55 PM
>>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Avionics fan
>>>
>>>
>>>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>>>>
>>>> Stein sells a nice three port fan assembly for cooling avionics.
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
>>>> Standley
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:38 PM
>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Avionics fan
>>>>
<taildragon@msn.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>
>>>> I must have missed it but which fan are you using and where did you
>>>> find
>>>> it?
>>>>
>>>> Roger
>>>> #40291
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Avionics fan
>>>>> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 08:25:49 -0600
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The GTX330 does have a place for a fan tube to mount. I have
>>>>> a fan, but have yet to connect the air tubes. Right now it's
>>>>> just circulating air around, blowing downward, while the
>>>>> hot air is rising upwards. I'm too lazy to finish the job
>>>>> right now. It's mounted on one of the longitudinal panel ribs,
>>>>> in the forward secton of the upper forward fuselage...mine is
>>>>> on the copilot side. The other side's rib is also where I
>>>>> mounted things like the stall horn. You could make a flange
>>>>> and try to connect it to the Chelton screens and the GTX330
>>>>> has the mount, but I haven't found them to have issues since
>>>>> they have their own fans. I wouldn't worry about the SL30/
>>>>> definitely not about the PMA8000. Don't know about the AFS3400.
>>>>> If they don't say they need them, I'd skip it unless you can
>>>>> easily make it work. Make sure you're now blowing air into
>>>>> an exhaust exit fan.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>>>> do not archive
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John Testement wrote:
>>>>>> I am in the process of wiring my panel. I bought a small 3 outlet
>>>> avionics
>>>>>> fan and am trying to figure out where to mount it and where to
run
>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>> tubes. My avionics include 2 Chelton screens (sans GADHRS
-#$%&!), 2
>>>>>> SL30s, GTX330, PM8000, AFS3400. None of state the need for a fan
or
>>>> have a
>>>>>> connection for the tube.
>>>>>> What recommendations can you make?
>>>>>> John Testement
>>>>>> jwt@roadmapscoaching.com <mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
>>>>>> 40321
>>>>>> Richmond, VA
>>>>>> FWF, engine, wiring
>>>>>> do not archive
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 1/4/2007
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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Wow, I am glad that got clarified. I didn't remember writing about the
avionics fan, although I did think about it and agree with Tim (Tim, you can
still include me in that "we" even if I didn't reply). I may have written,
but don't remember. Now I am trying to figure out what flange thing I wrote
about. Man, this list sure keeps me on my toes. I hope it was a good post.
On the fan, though, some avionics (radio stack items in my experience) have
a little round port in the back of the tray that is designed for a cooling
hose from some kind of blower source. The little Ameriking fans that I use
really work well and aren't too expensive. The hose that comes with them is
garbage, IMHO, but the flexible conduit that Van's sells works great.
Now, on the flange thing. I will just assume that I was supposed to have
posed on the deburring issue. If so, I probably would have said something
to the effect of, "we use the scotchbrite wheel for everything that we can
maneuver around the bench grinder on its little non-bench stand. It gives
such a nice poloshed burr-free edge that I haven't seen anything that even
comes close. Watch out that you have a good grip on your part, though,
especially if you have a new part, because it can 'grab and fling' if you
catch it the wrong way. That little hooky-thingy-tool works great for
getting where the wheel won't get, and a good old-fashioned file works great
on the skins." Now I specifically remember not ever writing this before,
but I may have written about something else.
Well, off to bed. Another long day tomorrow.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 10:20 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Avionics fan
Ahh see now, Jesse was talking about the flange but it was I who posted
the comment about Stein and then you jumped in making the we....does it
really matter who the we is, as long as you have a builder number, or an
interest in flying you are part of we!
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Avionics fan
Nope, no secret order of RV-10'ers. Just that Jesse and I both
replied to that one...and my first reply was right behind his.
The avionics fans we (Jesse and I) were talking about were
specifically made for avionics, and I believe they even
carry some type of certification if I remember right.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
jdalton77 wrote:
>
> No, I guess I wasn't sure what "we" meant by avionics fans. And who
are
> "we?" I only noticed one question. Is there some secret cabal of
> experienced builders that are all "in the know," or are we all
learning
> as we go?
>
>
>
> Thanks for letting me know.
>
>
> Jeff
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:14 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Avionics fan
>
>
>>
>> Are you sure you know what we mean by acutal avionics fans? They're
>> a blower design, with 3 output tubes of about 5/8-3/4" so you can
>> attach hoses that go on flanges on the avionics.
>>
>> If the goal is just to replace a muffin fan on an item, then yeah,
>> there are lots of cheap fans that do the job. Do buy ball bearing
>> though.
>>
>> The avionics fans are different. They're still overpriced, but
>> they're not just a cheap flat muffin fan.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> jdalton77 wrote:
>>>
>>> I found deals on avionics and defrost fans at CompuUSA or any other
>>> computer parts store. Nice 2 or 3 fan units on mounting plates
(12v)
>>> that do a great job. $9.99 each.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> #40544
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
>>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 11:55 PM
>>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Avionics fan
>>>
>>>
>>>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>>>>
>>>> Stein sells a nice three port fan assembly for cooling avionics.
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
>>>> Standley
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:38 PM
>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Avionics fan
>>>>
<taildragon@msn.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>
>>>> I must have missed it but which fan are you using and where did you
>>>> find
>>>> it?
>>>>
>>>> Roger
>>>> #40291
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Avionics fan
>>>>> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 08:25:49 -0600
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The GTX330 does have a place for a fan tube to mount. I have
>>>>> a fan, but have yet to connect the air tubes. Right now it's
>>>>> just circulating air around, blowing downward, while the
>>>>> hot air is rising upwards. I'm too lazy to finish the job
>>>>> right now. It's mounted on one of the longitudinal panel ribs,
>>>>> in the forward secton of the upper forward fuselage...mine is
>>>>> on the copilot side. The other side's rib is also where I
>>>>> mounted things like the stall horn. You could make a flange
>>>>> and try to connect it to the Chelton screens and the GTX330
>>>>> has the mount, but I haven't found them to have issues since
>>>>> they have their own fans. I wouldn't worry about the SL30/
>>>>> definitely not about the PMA8000. Don't know about the AFS3400.
>>>>> If they don't say they need them, I'd skip it unless you can
>>>>> easily make it work. Make sure you're now blowing air into
>>>>> an exhaust exit fan.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>>>> do not archive
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John Testement wrote:
>>>>>> I am in the process of wiring my panel. I bought a small 3 outlet
>>>> avionics
>>>>>> fan and am trying to figure out where to mount it and where to
run
>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>> tubes. My avionics include 2 Chelton screens (sans GADHRS
-#$%&!), 2
>>>>>> SL30s, GTX330, PM8000, AFS3400. None of state the need for a fan
or
>>>> have a
>>>>>> connection for the tube.
>>>>>> What recommendations can you make?
>>>>>> John Testement
>>>>>> jwt@roadmapscoaching.com <mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
>>>>>> 40321
>>>>>> Richmond, VA
>>>>>> FWF, engine, wiring
>>>>>> do not archive
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 1/4/2007
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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4:12 PM
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| Subject: | Source for Laser/WaterJet cutting |
Deems, what went wrong with your mount, or do you have a close tolerance a
la Tim O?
Rob Wright
#392
Engine mount on horizon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Source for Laser/WaterJet cutting
Thanks to all who provided leads and contact info re this topic I've got
a few more days work to finish off the CAD files, but I think I've got
enough leads to get something worked out.
THANKS Again
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/ -
waiting on engine mount fix to hang engine
Do Not Archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Derburring Rib Flange Slots |
Try 600 silicon carbide sandpaper on a tongue depressor.
Kevin
40494
><arthur@cftech.co.uk>
>
>Looked at the ribs for the VS last night.
>
>Alot of head scratching... how on earth am I supposed
>to deburr those flange slots?
>How have you done it?
>
>Can anyone point me towards that magic tool?
>Regards
>Arthur
>
>--------
>#40641 EMP
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=86619#86619
>
>
>Attachments:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010007_275.jpg
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>==
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine mount was - Source for Laser/WaterJet cutting |
I have an interference issue with the lower crossmember. With the 2
bottom mounts and bolts in place the bottom of the sump is resting on
the cross member and the top ears/mounts are 1/8-3/16" off. I'm not sure
if it's a problem with the mount, (unlikely) as Scott Risan @ Van's said
the made a change to the position of the cross member after Tim reported
his situation. It's more likely due to the Cold Air Induction system
which has a custom cast oil sump that in all likelihood varies somewhat
from Lycoming stock. When talking to Scott , who was EXTREMELY helpful.
He said that after the change they made they had reports of some engines
where the tolerance was VERY close, but mine was the 1st incident since
of an obstruction. He wanted to check the mount to make sure something
hadn't changed in their process. (I received my mount Aug 06). The mount
is in transit to Van's this week, Scott said the fix only takes 1/2
hour and he'd return it as soon as possible.
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Rob Wright wrote:
>
>Deems, what went wrong with your mount, or do you have a close tolerance a
>la Tim O?
>
>Rob Wright
>#392
>Engine mount on horizon
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
>Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 5:29 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Source for Laser/WaterJet cutting
>
>
>Thanks to all who provided leads and contact info re this topic I've got
>a few more days work to finish off the CAD files, but I think I've got
>enough leads to get something worked out.
>THANKS Again
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| Subject: | First 100 FLYING RV-10's List |
I was browsing thru the website and ran across the list
( http://www.vansairforce.net/rv10.htm) that was started tracking the Fi
rst 100 Flying RV-10's. Vic Syracuse was #11 (the last one to post his f
lying RV-10). Maybe those currently flying wanna post their planes to ge
t the list current? I know there should be 60 or more on the list by now
! (Tim, Jesse, Ray, Russ, Bill, etc.) BTW......I wanna thank Ray Doer
r for giving me my first RV ride and FIRST (at full gross)RV-10 ride. I
cannot say enough about how well the RV-10 performs. If only I could f
ast forward the completion on mine to get in the air tomorrow. Good luc
k on your IFR check ride RAY! Thanks again!
Dean 40449
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s started tracking the First 100 Flying RV-10's. Vic Syracuse was #11 (t
he last one to post his flying RV-10). Maybe those currently flying wann
a post their planes to get the list current? I know there should be 60 o
r more on the list by now! (Tim, Jesse, Ray, Russ, Bill, etc.) &nbs
p; </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>BTW......I wanna thank Ray Doerr for giving me my first RV ride and
FIRST (at full gross)RV-10 ride. I cannot say enough about how we
ll the RV-10 performs. If only I could fast forward the completion
on mine to get in the air tomorrow. Good luck on your IFR check r
ide RAY! Thanks again!<BR><BR>Dean 40449</DIV><!-- / message --><!
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