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1. 01:41 AM - Re: Van's Motor Mount SB (Tom Deutsch)
2. 01:52 AM - Re: Van's Motor Mount SB (RAS)
3. 02:16 AM - Re: Re: Elevator counterbalance weight (Tom Deutsch)
4. 04:40 AM - Re: HID landing light review (Phillips, Jack)
5. 05:06 AM - Re: HID landing light review (Tim Olson)
6. 05:47 AM - Re: Van's Motor Mount SB (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
7. 05:57 AM - Re: Van's Motor Mount SB (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
8. 06:31 AM - Re: (CHRISTOPHER HARRIS)
9. 06:31 AM - Re: Van's Motor Mount SB (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
10. 06:35 AM - Re: HID landing light review (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
11. 06:36 AM - Re: HID landing light review..and info concerning Aviation Consumer. (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
12. 06:47 AM - Re: happy with Van's rant- was Van's Motor Mount SB (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
13. 07:16 AM - Re: happy with Van's rant- was Van's Motor Mount SB (John Jessen)
14. 07:16 AM - Re: HID landing light review (Tim Olson)
15. 07:21 AM - Re: Cold Air Induction (John W. Cox)
16. 07:27 AM - construction dilemmas (cloudvalley@comcast.net)
17. 07:47 AM - Re: Cold Air Induction (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
18. 07:49 AM - Electric Rudder Trim (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
19. 08:08 AM - Re: construction dilemmas (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
20. 08:12 AM - Re: Cold Air Induction (Tim Olson)
21. 08:19 AM - Re: construction dilemmas (Vern W. Smith)
22. 08:22 AM - Re: HID landing light review (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
23. 08:23 AM - Re: Electric Rudder Trim (Tim Olson)
24. 08:28 AM - Re: HID landing light review..and info concerning Aviation Consumer. (Tim Olson)
25. 08:30 AM - Re: Electric Rudder Trim (ddddsp1@juno.com)
26. 08:52 AM - Re: Electric Rudder Trim (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
27. 09:07 AM - Re: construction dilemmas (Pascal)
28. 09:32 AM - Re: construction dilemmas (JOHN STARN)
29. 09:40 AM - Re: Re: Elevator counterbalance weight (John Hasbrouck)
30. 09:51 AM - Re: Electric Rudder Trim (Tim Olson)
31. 10:07 AM - Re: HID landing light review..and info concerning Aviation Consumer. (Kelly McMullen)
32. 10:30 AM - Re: Van's Motor Mount SB (John Gonzalez)
33. 10:30 AM - Re: HID landing light review..and info concerning Aviation Consumer. (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
34. 11:06 AM - Re: HID landing light review..and info concerning Aviation Consumer. (Kelly McMullen)
35. 11:37 AM - Re: Van's Motor Mount SB (Mark Ritter)
36. 12:10 PM - Re: Follow-up on Service Letter (Deems Davis)
37. 12:19 PM - Re: Electric Rudder Trim (Eric Parlow)
38. 12:35 PM - Re: Follow-up on Service Letter (Rhonda Bewley)
39. 12:45 PM - Re: HID landing light review (Tim Olson)
40. 01:54 PM - Control surface balancing (John Hasbrouck)
41. 03:43 PM - Re: Electric Rudder Trim (Dsyvert@aol.com)
42. 04:15 PM - Re: happy with Van's rant (Randy Lervold)
43. 04:34 PM - Re: Re: happy with Van's rant (Dj Merrill)
44. 04:44 PM - Re: Electric Rudder Trim (Rob Wright)
45. 04:58 PM - Re: Re: happy with Van's rant (linn Walters)
46. 05:01 PM - FW: [JamesAircraft] First RV-10 to fly in Canada takes off in Charlottetown (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
47. 05:35 PM - Re: Electric Rudder Trim (Marcus Cooper)
48. 06:49 PM - Re: Cold Air Induction (John W. Cox)
49. 06:53 PM - Re: Electric Rudder Trim (John W. Cox)
50. 07:05 PM - Re: Van's Motor Mount SB (John W. Cox)
51. 07:10 PM - Re: Follow-up on Service Letter (John W. Cox)
52. 07:44 PM - Re: Cold Air Induction (Dj Merrill)
53. 08:03 PM - Re: front wheel (DejaVu)
54. 08:13 PM - Re: (DejaVu)
55. 08:19 PM - Re: construction dilemmas (cloudvalley@comcast.net)
56. 08:25 PM - Re: construction dilemmas (cloudvalley@comcast.net)
57. 08:29 PM - Re: construction dilemmas (cloudvalley@comcast.net)
58. 08:34 PM - Re: Electric Rudder Trim (orchidman)
59. 08:43 PM - Re: Electric Rudder Trim (pictures) (Eric Parlow)
60. 09:01 PM - Re: Re: happy with Van's rant (Dave Leikam)
61. 11:32 PM - !Re: Electric Rudder Trim (Steven DiNieri)
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| Subject: | Van's Motor Mount SB |
Some folks should simply buy airplanes and not try to build them!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ritter
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's Motor Mount SB
Is there anything these guys like about Vans? Seems like there are 66+
of
us out there flying RV-10's that are very pleased with the kit and the
support we have received from Vans.
Mark (N410MR Flying)
>From: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's Motor Mount SB
>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:49:57 -0500
>
<jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
>
>I,m so glad Van's issued that SB. I was getting tired of the
counterweight
>discussion.... hehehe
>
>John Hasbrouck
>#40264
>currently installing JATO bottles
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Van's Motor Mount SB |
Van's should incorporate all the ideas and suggestions so that there are no
complaints and price the kit around the $250K mark........
to much nonsense on the list, multiple replies from same listers on same
subject, I'm leaving the list.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator counterbalance weight |
John, how does one compensate for the weight of the rod?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Elevator counterbalance weight
jhasbrouck(at)woh.rr.com wrote:
> Gary,
> Actually the equipment needed for checking the counterbalances is
quite
> simple. For the elevators you need a rod attached to the elevators
> extending forward to a point 37.5 inches from the hinge centerline
with a 1
> lb weight attached at that point. ( 37.5 in/lb ). This is with both
> elevators attached, the trim in place and the tips on.
> ... Adjust counterweights so the elevators rest trailing
> edge low.
> John Hasbrouck
> #40264
John,
Thanks. I have added Vic Syracuses rudder trim so I am going to need to
balance the rudder. So I guess what I need to do is after it is
finished, I need to lay the VS and attached Rudder on their side. Then
add a 30.8" rod to the top with a 1 lb weight. Should the rudder/VS lay
flat or should the trailing edge of the rudder droop? The 30.8" would
be measured at a 90 deg angle from the pivit point line.
Is this correct?
Gary
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N410GB reserved)
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89918#89918
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| Subject: | HID landing light review |
Tim,
Don't you have the Duckworks HID system on your plane? Are you happy
with it?
Jack Phillips
#40610
Finishing up the elevators
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:42 PM
Subject: RV10-List: HID landing light review
Found this on the "generic" RV matronics list today:
For a review of HID landing lights, see
http://www.preciseflight.com/ufiles/06March_Aviation_Consumer_HID_Articl
e_Main.pdf
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: HID landing light review |
Yes, that's what I have. They really work well once aimed properly.
They're only 35W, which is both good and bad. Good in that the
do honestly only draw 6A total or less. Bad in that they
aren't the biggest, baddest, brightest lights available anymore.
But, for our small planes, they're plenty bright. I can see
much much better than in my previous plane that had a 250W
bulb, which I swapped for 2 100W bulbs. Neither combination
could even give 1/2 of what I get with these. The 35w vs 50w
does have the upside in the lower power draw too.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Phillips, Jack wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> Don't you have the Duckworks HID system on your plane? Are you happy
> with it?
>
> Jack Phillips
> #40610
> Finishing up the elevators
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:42 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: HID landing light review
>
>
> Found this on the "generic" RV matronics list today:
>
> For a review of HID landing lights, see
> http://www.preciseflight.com/ufiles/06March_Aviation_Consumer_HID_Articl
> e_Main.pdf
>
>
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| Subject: | Van's Motor Mount SB |
There is good news for me though, all of us that are putting in
alternative engines are now lumped into the same category! Regardless if
it is a Subaru, an Aerosport or BPA, welcome to the dark side Ladies and
Gents, we have all been assimilated as those people putting alternative
engines in the 10.
Suddenly the pool got really crowded! "GRIN"
Dan
N289DT (RV10E) on the wild side and loving it!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's Motor Mount SB
Should I keep the nitrous system secret still, or can I tell
people about it now. ;)
It's too bad we had to see this whole clearance thread even
come BACK with the prior history we had. One fix done well
could have prevented a reoccurance.
I still get a laugh out of one person saying that my engine
wasn't a Lycoming engine, so maybe mine was different....it
wasn't a Lycoming, it was an Aerosport. That always gives
me the giggles. That's like saying, I don't drive any GM
products....mine's made by Chevrolet.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> The short version is Van's was hit with a lawsuit around similar
items
> in the past. They made modifications to the RV-10 mount in the past
> because their mockup was wrong. When they realized that Deems issue
was
> because of the cold air sump, and others were in the pipeline, they
kept
> their word to Deems and then issued the SB stopping any future
> modifications. Good thing Tim didn't let them know he had a
Lightspeed
> ignition on his when he sent it back for modification, might be
> producing more than 260HP.
>
> Michael
>
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| Subject: | Van's Motor Mount SB |
Bye
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAS
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:52 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's Motor Mount SB
<deruiteraircraftservices@btinternet.com>
Van's should incorporate all the ideas and suggestions so that there are
no
complaints and price the kit around the $250K mark........
to much nonsense on the list, multiple replies from same listers on same
subject, I'm leaving the list.
do not archive.
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I just wanted to give quick shout out to Ahn Vu. He invited me to take a look at
his newly flown RV-10 at St.Marys airport the other day. It was a great pleasure
to meet him and see a quality built aircraft. I hope to be joining the list
of builders in the very near future, and again it was fantastic to see his
project. Ahn exemplified the kind of person in the "community" that I would enjoy
being associated with. My project will be a standard kit except for the huge
rubberband up front, this will probably require mount modification to contain
all the torque, I think I'll extend the tail feathers by a couple of feet to
compesate with some large wieghts on the tips, or mabe just go with stock.
Thanks again Ahn, great job.
Tom Deutsch <deutscht@rhwhotels.com> wrote:
Some folks should simply buy airplanes and not try to build them!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ritter
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's Motor Mount SB
Is there anything these guys like about Vans? Seems like there are 66+
of
us out there flying RV-10's that are very pleased with the kit and the
support we have received from Vans.
Mark (N410MR Flying)
>From: "John Hasbrouck"
>To:
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's Motor Mount SB
>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:49:57 -0500
>
>
>I,m so glad Van's issued that SB. I was getting tired of the
counterweight
>discussion.... hehehe
>
>John Hasbrouck
>#40264
>currently installing JATO bottles
>
>
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| Subject: | Van's Motor Mount SB |
You are absolutely correct and I believe I said I understand Van's
position. I take exception at how Van's worded the service bulletin and
the fact they did it solely for CYA and clearly targeting the Barrett
engine. Scott even told me it was nothing for his welder to make the
change. Did I go over the edge with my earlier post, hardly. If the
vendor had been making changes to their product to accommodate everyone
else and then stopped doing it when it got to you, I'm betting you would
be rather unhappy about it. Not to mention the fact they still have my
mount there. It was quite clear in later posts that the issue had been
resolved after talking to Van's and I respectfully told Scott that I
understand Van's position. Van has a business and employees to protect
and I can 1000% understand that.
Do they need to change their product, hell no. Their choice. I'm
just the consumer in a small production run product that feels
improvements can be made and have voiced that. Van's monitors this list
and others so I like to think they are listening. Can they change their
product with pretty much no additional work on their end, absolutely.
Would it make the life of many builders better, nooo but it would save
us some time and this is only going to become more of a problem if the
cold air is a popular option by Barrett and others. There is obviously
a nice little cottage industry popping up to improve the fit and
function of the RV-10 and I think that's great. Some people are in it
to make money and some are in it because they enjoy it. Guys like John
see an excellent product but also see ways to improve it. Hmmm, kinda
sounds like what Van did all those years ago.
Now what does irritate me, and I'm usually smiling as I write emails
because I know not to take an email and read things into it, is that
there is always a few people that chime in and automatically try to
berate anyone that has an opinion that is opposite their own. People
have a delete button and can exercise it at their will. To chime in on
a thread just to insert a comment that implies something to an extreme
end of things adds no value. Hmmm, sounds like politics. Anyway, I
always take the time to hear people out and then I can agree or
disagree. People that know me on this list know that I have a tendency
to call things like they are and don't pull punches. Ya, ya, ya, I'm
building an airplane and need to make things work myself. Last I
checked I'm doing a fair number of modifications so that dog don't hunt
anyway. I am not, however, a certified aerospace welder so I can't
exactly modify my mount. I worked with Scott Risan and Allen and came
up with a good solution that should help benefit the other builders out
there going with this option. I'm happy with the solution and the
problem is solved. And for those of you that feel that I hate Van's
products just because I voice my opinion on some of their less than
stellar components:
VANS, BY FAR, MAKE THE BEST AND MOST AFFORDABLE 4 PLACE, SINGLE ENGINE
AIRCRAFT IN EITHER THE KIT OR CERTIFIED MARKET!!!!!
There I go with my opinions again. :-D
Michael
last thing I will say on this (open for cheap parting shots)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ritter
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:29 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Van's Motor Mount SB
It seems to me that its the sellers choice as to whether or not they
implement "suggested improvements" to their product. The market place
will
eventually decide the issue. We do have the ability to make what we
consider to be improvements during the building process. Most of us
have
made numerous changes (improvements) and keep on trucking without
berating
Van for not doing it first. The basic kit is a great starting point to
built whatever comes to mind.
Mark
>From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Van's Motor Mount SB
>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:35:48 -0600
>
><rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
>That's quite a leap from some complaints about a couple specific
things.
>I guess we should just bow to Van's ability to tell us how things
should
>be and be happy with that? Some people want improvements and some
>people are content to follow the plans and recommendations to the T.
>Nothing wrong with either method.
>
>Michael
>Fitting the supercharger
>Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ritter
>Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:03 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's Motor Mount SB
>
>
>Is there anything these guys like about Vans? Seems like there are 66+
>of
>us out there flying RV-10's that are very pleased with the kit and the
>support we have received from Vans.
>
>Mark (N410MR Flying)
>
>
> >From: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
> >To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's Motor Mount SB
> >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:49:57 -0500
> >
><jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
> >
> >I,m so glad Van's issued that SB. I was getting tired of the
>counterweight
> >discussion.... hehehe
> >
> >John Hasbrouck
> >#40264
> >currently installing JATO bottles
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | HID landing light review |
Hey I keep forgetting to ask you, do you think two added a lot or would
one do? I put one in my left wing and I'm trying to decide if I want to
put one in my right wing. I put in the platenuts just in case so its
not too big of a deal to add.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: HID landing light review
Yes, that's what I have. They really work well once aimed properly.
They're only 35W, which is both good and bad. Good in that the
do honestly only draw 6A total or less. Bad in that they
aren't the biggest, baddest, brightest lights available anymore.
But, for our small planes, they're plenty bright. I can see
much much better than in my previous plane that had a 250W
bulb, which I swapped for 2 100W bulbs. Neither combination
could even give 1/2 of what I get with these. The 35w vs 50w
does have the upside in the lower power draw too.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Phillips, Jack wrote:
<Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
>
> Tim,
>
> Don't you have the Duckworks HID system on your plane? Are you happy
> with it?
>
> Jack Phillips
> #40610
> Finishing up the elevators
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:42 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: HID landing light review
>
>
> Found this on the "generic" RV matronics list today:
>
> For a review of HID landing lights, see
>
http://www.preciseflight.com/ufiles/06March_Aviation_Consumer_HID_Articl
> e_Main.pdf
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: HID landing light review..and info concerning Aviation |
Consumer.
In a message dated 1/23/07 7:47:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Tim@MyRV10.com writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Found this on the "generic" RV matronics list today:
For a review of HID landing lights, see
http://www.preciseflight.com/ufiles/06March_Aviation_Consumer_HID_Article_Main
.pdf
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
After receiving Aviation Consumer for nearly a decade, I've recently dropped
my subscription for a number of reasons. But during that time I've read
some interesting articles including this review of the HID device. If you've
not been exposed to AC's product you might want to borrow copies from someone
and review all that they have. The folks at AC do a nice job in testing and
reviewing all types of aviation products.
I've stopped my subscription for several reasons:
The way this product is sent to the subscriber often leads to damage
product. My monthly product has gone missing at least twice per year and at the
rate they charge, it's an expensive missing part. If you discover it's missing
they will send you a replacement product if you request it pretty quickly (I
wonder if my mail lady is a back sliding pilot want-a-bee!) if you don't
request quickly then you just go to the electronic mag and review.
I began my subscriptions and renewals via mail, their renewals at SnF and
KOSH were greatly lower than the mail route. This sort of cheese's me off and
Paul B, the editor, wrote an article some time ago about how dangerous
home-built's were vs production aircraft that also cheesed my off.
Understanding his point of view, after all he's a Mooney driver, I wrote a
counter article comparing the two top products in each area using NTSB data.
Thus I selected, Van's vs. Cirrus accidents/incidents showing that Van's have
an accident rate equal to Piper...slightly above Cessna (the safest GA plane
out there) vs. accidents of all types. And that Cirrus has higher accident
rate vs. Van's and Piper and many more times the rate vs. Cessna. Cirrus's
accident rates are just slight above Bonanza.
The numbers gathered were basic raw accident rates from the NTSB. For
Cirrus's sake, the review was written when Cirrus was somewhat new and they were
experiencing high fatal accident rates and incidents for aircraft departing
the runways on take off, or brakes burning up etc...lot's of pilot errors. I
did not weight the accident rates as the Cirrus numbers would have been so
awful it would have been ridicules. At the time Cirrus did not have that many
aircraft flying as they do today. Their fleet was doubling about each 6
months, and many of their accidents were fatal's.
I'd spent considerable time slicing the NTSB data and writing the article,
AC did not publish my reply but I got a note from Paul B saying my "comments"
were interesting but they would not publish my information. So I thought how
one sided they were in their arguments. One interesting item to note is
that Cirrus's first fatal accident occurred in an experimental SR 20 so even
this accident counts again experimental's since the SR 20 was not certified at
the time...nor was the BRS system in place.
At the time, the RV 10 was not a product. Many of the Van's accidents
occurred because people ran out of gas and had forced landings.
My believe was and still is that not many Van's aircraft are flown hard IFR
compared to hours flown by Cirrus pilots. Cirrus are used in commercial
flights or time share services with a "leased" Commercial/ATP pilot at the
controls.
That the average Van's pilot had more aviation hours flown in total than the
Cirrus crowd and that they had more experience in IFR and VFR that the
average Cirrus pilot; and having built their plane, they were more familiar with
the plane than the Cirrus pilots. And I believe that the Van's pilots are a
more conservative group of pilots towards their plane and skills than are the
Cirrus folks---key word here is that this is my "belief" not based on any
facts only conversations with folks that I know that own, fly and or built.
All of the Van's folks in our chapter I know, really know how every little
thing works on their plane, mechanical, avionics etc. The Cirrus folks I know
have a good knowledge but not overly knowledgeable.
Well since that time, I still believe the above about both products. I'm
happy that Cirrus now has transitional training, and a CFI school in
conjunction with North Dakota. Cessna continues to have the lowest accident rate
vs.
all other GA or Experimental aircraft. And the RV 10 is growing in safe
numbers. I hope to join the ranks of the RV 10 builders when we complete our
move
back to IL later this spring. I was all set to buy a kit after Thanksgiving
when a business thing happened and refocusing our family back to IL from
PA...I decided not to buy as it would mean one more thing to move!
Who know, maybe I'll miss my AC's and re-subscribe at SnF or KOSH but at a
lower rate than the snail mail subscription rate.
AC rant off...I still like the product and would recommend it to you all,
highly.
Patrick
PA 28-235/J 5A (rebuilding)
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| Subject: | Van's Motor Mount SB |
Very nice! This is probably one of the most gelled groups I have
encountered. Sometimes we argue like a family but rarely does it get
way out of hand like it can on other lists (anyone have an opinion on
10.5 mil settlements or over voltage protection on an alternator).
Honestly I think part of it has to do with we love our hobby and a
higher than average number of us are office types that would rather be
knee deep in grease types. Yes some of us are more vocal than others in
their opinions *ehem* and others are happy to go with the flow, but we
are always happy to meet up in OSH and crack open a beer and tell
stories. Never forget that and always remember this is email, it
doesn't carry emotions well so don't try to read into it.
Michael
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:38 PM
Subject: happy with Van's rant- was RV10-List: Van's Motor Mount SB
I think there is nothing like a lively debate on Primers and in this
case
the engine mount SB, but I know there are a whole lot of us that are set
on
Van's. I followed a high level composite company for a few years. I was
set
on a 4 seater and in a way it is no different than what I am doing now.
I am
getting a sense of is this the right kit for me.
I am still around and pretty sure I'll be starting this kit in the next
couple of months, this is only after extensive research and following
this
forum for less than 1 year. I had 3 years at the other forum and finally
gave up on it.. Largely because most of the builders complained about
one
thing or another and somehow the price of the kit doubled with carbon
and
quickerbuild and other nice upgrades thrown in. I think that last time I
looked the kit was now 82K, it was 38K when I started looking into it in
1998.
So Van's doesn't want to cater to each of us and our individual engine
choice (not including their stock). Fine! Barret has his solution- so
BPA is
solved, Thunderbolt is competitive in this market enough that they might
do
something too, and so on but the good news is the rest of us who want a
stock engine from Vans don't need to worry that the cost will go up more
than 3% next year as a result of the few. Why am I going to build a
RV-10?
many reasons. Mark Chamberlain for one. He invited me, never knowing who
I
was, to see and fly and yes, fly in his plane. I never had anyone, and I
saw
over 12 of the composites from the other company, offer to fly me in the
plane. Than there's Jeff Carpenter, who took a morning to go over the
kit
with me when he had pressing engagements to get to, theres Tim, and
Deems,
and John and most of you. Basically this group of builders is solid and
we
feel comfortable enough to speak our minds, in jest and seriously. Let's
remember we are all in this for the same reason. A solid company with 30
years experience building the largest fleet of experimentals out there.
I am
NOT building this plane to be unique or impress my neighbors, I'm
building
this plane, a Van's, because I know they do care about the builders, and
they have the record to prove it.
Nothing wrong with venting on delayed shipments and expensive shipping
for
2c items from Van's or SB's that we are not in support of- we should be
here
to support each other as I know, I too will be frustrated and want
someone
who understands my frustration to be there for me. We are!
Lastly, Vendor support- I see what Barrett did by offering to resolve
this
issue as excellent. Jon's response, from Thunderbolt, was professional
and
shows he too is in this to make it work for all of us and Lycoming and I
also took that he understood Van's SB. Stein last month getting on to
comfort those stuck in the D2AV debacle and Mike from Cleveland chiming
in
at times as well. They all may be in for the business, but they care
about
the builders too!
All in all we are a great group of builders with great vendors who are
right
there with us building and supporting us. I think Van's has the right to
publish as many SB's as they wish, as long as they don't try to keep
everyone happy and have an affordable kit be out of reach for the rest
of
those who just want to build it!
And with this, I end my rant!
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Ritter" <mritter509@msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's Motor Mount SB
>
> Is there anything these guys like about Vans? Seems like there are
66+ of
> us out there flying RV-10's that are very pleased with the kit and the
> support we have received from Vans.
>
> Mark (N410MR Flying)
>
>
>>From: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's Motor Mount SB
>>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:49:57 -0500
>>
<jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
>>
>>I,m so glad Van's issued that SB. I was getting tired of the
>>counterweight discussion.... hehehe
>>
>>John Hasbrouck
>>#40264
>>currently installing JATO bottles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo - buy and sell with
people
> you know
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Van's Motor Mount SB |
Hobby! Hobby! This is no d&^%^ Hobby! This is life. This is passion.
This is what I live for, what I work for, what I gave up xes for! Hobby?
You nuts?
Ok, I'm ok. I'm calming down. I'll go to the hanger tonight and hook
myself up to the rivet gun. Get another fix.
Sorry
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:47 AM
Subject: RE: happy with Van's rant- was RV10-List: Van's Motor Mount SB
--> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Very nice! This is probably one of the most gelled groups I have
encountered. Sometimes we argue like a family but rarely does it get way
out of hand like it can on other lists (anyone have an opinion on
10.5 mil settlements or over voltage protection on an alternator).
Honestly I think part of it has to do with we love our hobby and a higher
than average number of us are office types that would rather be knee deep in
grease types. Yes some of us are more vocal than others in their opinions
*ehem* and others are happy to go with the flow, but we are always happy to
meet up in OSH and crack open a beer and tell stories. Never forget that
and always remember this is email, it doesn't carry emotions well so don't
try to read into it.
Michael
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:38 PM
Subject: happy with Van's rant- was RV10-List: Van's Motor Mount SB
I think there is nothing like a lively debate on Primers and in this case
the engine mount SB, but I know there are a whole lot of us that are set on
Van's. I followed a high level composite company for a few years. I was set
on a 4 seater and in a way it is no different than what I am doing now.
I am
getting a sense of is this the right kit for me.
I am still around and pretty sure I'll be starting this kit in the next
couple of months, this is only after extensive research and following this
forum for less than 1 year. I had 3 years at the other forum and finally
gave up on it.. Largely because most of the builders complained about one
thing or another and somehow the price of the kit doubled with carbon and
quickerbuild and other nice upgrades thrown in. I think that last time I
looked the kit was now 82K, it was 38K when I started looking into it in
1998.
So Van's doesn't want to cater to each of us and our individual engine
choice (not including their stock). Fine! Barret has his solution- so BPA is
solved, Thunderbolt is competitive in this market enough that they might do
something too, and so on but the good news is the rest of us who want a
stock engine from Vans don't need to worry that the cost will go up more
than 3% next year as a result of the few. Why am I going to build a RV-10?
many reasons. Mark Chamberlain for one. He invited me, never knowing who I
was, to see and fly and yes, fly in his plane. I never had anyone, and I saw
over 12 of the composites from the other company, offer to fly me in the
plane. Than there's Jeff Carpenter, who took a morning to go over the kit
with me when he had pressing engagements to get to, theres Tim, and Deems,
and John and most of you. Basically this group of builders is solid and we
feel comfortable enough to speak our minds, in jest and seriously. Let's
remember we are all in this for the same reason. A solid company with 30
years experience building the largest fleet of experimentals out there.
I am
NOT building this plane to be unique or impress my neighbors, I'm building
this plane, a Van's, because I know they do care about the builders, and
they have the record to prove it.
Nothing wrong with venting on delayed shipments and expensive shipping for
2c items from Van's or SB's that we are not in support of- we should be here
to support each other as I know, I too will be frustrated and want someone
who understands my frustration to be there for me. We are!
Lastly, Vendor support- I see what Barrett did by offering to resolve this
issue as excellent. Jon's response, from Thunderbolt, was professional
and
shows he too is in this to make it work for all of us and Lycoming and I
also took that he understood Van's SB. Stein last month getting on to
comfort those stuck in the D2AV debacle and Mike from Cleveland chiming in
at times as well. They all may be in for the business, but they care about
the builders too!
All in all we are a great group of builders with great vendors who are right
there with us building and supporting us. I think Van's has the right to
publish as many SB's as they wish, as long as they don't try to keep
everyone happy and have an affordable kit be out of reach for the rest of
those who just want to build it!
And with this, I end my rant!
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Ritter" <mritter509@msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's Motor Mount SB
>
> Is there anything these guys like about Vans? Seems like there are
66+ of
> us out there flying RV-10's that are very pleased with the kit and the
> support we have received from Vans.
>
> Mark (N410MR Flying)
>
>
>>From: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's Motor Mount SB
>>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:49:57 -0500
>>
<jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
>>
>>I,m so glad Van's issued that SB. I was getting tired of the
>>counterweight discussion.... hehehe
>>
>>John Hasbrouck
>>#40264
>>currently installing JATO bottles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo - buy and sell with
people
> you know
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: HID landing light review |
I do think that one would work ok in an RV-10, because they're pretty
bright. But, they're not super wide beams, so you may not get the best
of lighting past the centerline other than further away from the
airplane. The main reason for more than one light isn't brightness,
but distribution. For those on a tight budget, what I'd do is at
minimum, cut the hole and mount the bracket....and leave it blank.
For just a tiny bit more money, you could wire in a halogen watt
hog on the other side to fill in some brightness there too. Add
in a 3 position switch on the panel and you could have one position
power both lights, and the other power just the HID to save
power.
My main concern would be the hole though. I wouldn't want to cut
that in a painted wing if I didn't have to, so I'd cut the hole
and do the lens either way if you even think you'll possibly want
more later.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> Hey I keep forgetting to ask you, do you think two added a lot or would
> one do? I put one in my left wing and I'm trying to decide if I want to
> put one in my right wing. I put in the platenuts just in case so its
> not too big of a deal to add.
>
> Michael
>
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| Subject: | Cold Air Induction |
Mike do you want to amend the below answer regarding Oregon Aero seats?
John Cox
#40600
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:21 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cold Air Induction
Yes, they will credit you for anything you want to delete from the
kits including the cowl. They do tell you if you order the cowl after
the fact expect the price to be a great deal higher. Makes sense as it
keeps them from having to deal with people that change their minds after
it shipped. As I said earlier, it's about an $800 difference.
You can get in touch with Will at www.jamesaircraft.com.
Michael
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| Subject: | construction dilemmas |
Hello builders,
Now where can one get all the extra $$$$ for this wonderful airplane? I know I
would like some mods too.. a cold air sump, Holy Cowl...wondering how much a Barett
engine would cost with just the cold air induction system added..and finally
hoping that my wife and I will be able to build this. It almost seems like
one needs apriori knowlege..but at least we will break the project down into
small parts..to be completed individually.
A worthwhile challenge for sure...and a much better performer than our Grumman
Tiger we sold 4 year ago.
Brian and Ruth Preston
#40666
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<DIV>Now where can one get all the extra $$$$ for this wonderful airplane? I know
I would like some mods too.. a cold air sump, Holy Cowl...wondering how much
a Barett engine would cost with just the cold air induction system added..and
finally hoping that my wife and I will be able to build this. It almost seems
like one needs apriori knowlege..but at least we will break the project down
into small parts..to be completed individually. </DIV>
<DIV>A worthwhile challenge for sure...and a much better performer than our Grumman
Tiger we sold 4 year ago.</DIV>
<DIV>Brian and Ruth Preston</DIV>
<DIV>#40666</DIV>
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| Subject: | Cold Air Induction |
Good point. I'm guessing that would also apply to things like spars.
J
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:21 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cold Air Induction
Mike do you want to amend the below answer regarding Oregon Aero seats?
John Cox
#40600
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:21 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cold Air Induction
Yes, they will credit you for anything you want to delete from the
kits including the cowl. They do tell you if you order the cowl after
the fact expect the price to be a great deal higher. Makes sense as it
keeps them from having to deal with people that change their minds after
it shipped. As I said earlier, it's about an $800 difference.
You can get in touch with Will at www.jamesaircraft.com.
Michael
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| Subject: | Electric Rudder Trim |
I've looked at the Rudder Trim on Tim's site that Vic did
and I was wondering about doing a Rudder Trim on mine as well. I was
wanting to know the length and width of the hinge that is providing the
tab as well as if it is effective enough or too sensitive to adjust.
I'm trying to figure out what size of a Rudder Trim Tab to make on my
RV-10. I was thinking of cutting the tab into the rudder like the
elevator tab. I would have to create a spar for the tab and the ruder
and possible even be able to have the control linkage comes thru the
spar as to not be seen from the outside.
Also for those flying with a glued/taped on Rudder Tab, what
length/width and thinkness did you apply to the rudder to coorect thr
trim?
Thank You
Ray Doerr
CDNI Principal Engineer
Sprint PCS
16020 West 113th Street
Lenexa, KS 66219
Mailstop KSLNXK0101
(913) 859-1414 (Office)
(913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
(913) 859-1234 (Fax)
Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com
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| Subject: | construction dilemmas |
Extras can get you in trouble in a hurry and I can relate to the
uncertainty on if you can build this monster. I never really questioned
on if I had the skills, more if I had the patience to hammer all these
rivets. When I learned that Van came out with a model that fit my
mission profile better than anything else out there, you do have a
mission profile you are making your decisions right, my next concern was
if I would go nuts like John J banging away on rivet after rivet.
Believe me I never had a remote urge to build an aluminum aircraft, I
was a fast glass man. So I flew to Denver, took a Sportair RV Assembly
class, and did a little skiing. I ordered my tail kit the next week and
never looked back.
You already have the tail kit so you made the tough choice. Every
first timer can see the difference in their skills as they work through
the chapters of the tail kit. My suggestion is to talk to vendors like
Barrett, Stein, and others. They are extremely knowledgeable and will
not point you in the wrong direction to make a buck. If you are
uncomfortable with your skills talk to other builders in your area, I
doubt any one of us would turn down a visit or free help. I can't
recommend the Sportair workshops enough. If nothing else they give you
practice on something other than your kit. And most importantly, do not
be afraid to ask a question. I've asked a few that I slapped myself on
the forehead over after people responded. As the old saying goes, there
are no dumb questions, just dumb people. Wait, that doesn't sound
right. J
Now back to work!
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Limbo
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cloudvalley@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: RV10-List: construction dilemmas
Hello builders,
Now where can one get all the extra $$$$ for this wonderful airplane? I
know I would like some mods too.. a cold air sump, Holy Cowl...wondering
how much a Barett engine would cost with just the cold air induction
system added..and finally hoping that my wife and I will be able to
build this. It almost seems like one needs apriori knowlege..but at
least we will break the project down into small parts..to be completed
individually.
A worthwhile challenge for sure...and a much better performer than our
Grumman Tiger we sold 4 year ago.
Brian and Ruth Preston
#40666
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| Subject: | Re: Cold Air Induction |
I think John is right that they may not want to eliminate the
seats for you. That said, those seats are surprisingly
extremely comfortable and far nicer than I would have imagined
when you're on long trips. My story is that I flew all the
way to Oregon and borrowed a fellow -10'ers fully decked
leather suburban for some sightseeing. The seats in the
-10 were way more comfortable after a few hours than the
nice seats in that truck. They're more comfortable than
my couch or recliner or office chair too. Having spent
192+ hours in them, I'm certainly glad I didn't try to
buck that price and do something different.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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John W. Cox wrote:
> Mike do you want to amend the below answer regarding Oregon Aero seats?
>
>
>
> */John Cox/*
> */#40600/*
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *RV Builder
> (Michael Sausen)
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:21 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Cold Air Induction
>
>
>
> Yes, they will credit you for anything you want to delete from the
> kits including the cowl. They do tell you if you order the cowl after
> the fact expect the price to be a great deal higher. Makes sense as it
> keeps them from having to deal with people that change their minds after
> it shipped. As I said earlier, its about an $800 difference.
>
>
>
> You can get in touch with Will at www.jamesaircraft.com
> <http://www.jamesaircraft.com>.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | construction dilemmas |
Hi Brian,
All airplanes are a collection of compromises. Yes even the 10 (this can
be seen by some of the recent more lively discussions.) Figure out
what your "mission" is for the airplane and build accordingly. If
something isn't important to you don't spend the money on it. Beware of
the "for only a few dollars more game". You've seen this it's the guy
who wants to buy a Cessna but for only a few dollars more he could get a
Tiger, but for only a few dollars more he could get a Mooney and then an
old Bonanza. He buys the Bonanza instead of the Cessna. And then says
"crud" why can't I afford this thing? Go back to the original mission
statement!
As far as knowledge it will come. This is a great list too ask
questions. There are several builders course to gain hands on
experience. Your local EAA chapter is a good place to look. Most likely
it has several RV builders and even if they aren't building 10s riveting
is riveting.
Great idea on building one project at a time. As the old saying goes:
How do you eat an elephant? One bit at a time!
Vern Smith (#324 fuselage)
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cloudvalley@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:27 AM
Subject: RV10-List: construction dilemmas
Hello builders,
Now where can one get all the extra $$$$ for this wonderful airplane? I
know I would like some mods too.. a cold air sump, Holy Cowl...wondering
how much a Barett engine would cost with just the cold air induction
system added..and finally hoping that my wife and I will be able to
build this. It almost seems like one needs apriori knowlege..but at
least we will break the project down into small parts..to be completed
individually.
A worthwhile challenge for sure...and a much better performer than our
Grumman Tiger we sold 4 year ago.
Brian and Ruth Preston
#40666
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| Subject: | HID landing light review |
Pretty much the same conclusions I came to. The problems I am
grappling with are budget and that my primary operation will be out of a
grass strip that may or may not be lighted. W34 that you flew into near
my house is a very nice grass strip but it's unlighted. I have landed
there before at night with a full moon and cars lighting the runway
(crazy skydivers heh) without a problem. My home base 5 miles north of
that location is a private grass strip that I am currently exploring
ways to light with low voltage LED's. In both cases I think it would
probably make the most sense to have the maximum on board lighting
possible. Hmmm, I think I just talked myself into it. :-)
Thanks,
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: HID landing light review
I do think that one would work ok in an RV-10, because they're pretty
bright. But, they're not super wide beams, so you may not get the best
of lighting past the centerline other than further away from the
airplane. The main reason for more than one light isn't brightness,
but distribution. For those on a tight budget, what I'd do is at
minimum, cut the hole and mount the bracket....and leave it blank.
For just a tiny bit more money, you could wire in a halogen watt
hog on the other side to fill in some brightness there too. Add
in a 3 position switch on the panel and you could have one position
power both lights, and the other power just the HID to save
power.
My main concern would be the hole though. I wouldn't want to cut
that in a painted wing if I didn't have to, so I'd cut the hole
and do the lens either way if you even think you'll possibly want
more later.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> Hey I keep forgetting to ask you, do you think two added a lot or
would
> one do? I put one in my left wing and I'm trying to decide if I want
to
> put one in my right wing. I put in the platenuts just in case so its
> not too big of a deal to add.
>
> Michael
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Rudder Trim |
Ray, Vic says it's sensitive enough to swing the ball I think
1/2 to 3/4 of a ball either way of center. As for the length,
I wondered the same myself, but the photos should let us count
the number of hinge eyelits and go from there. I think it's
the standard aluminum hinge. The width is just the hinge
itself, no extra tab material.
I ran his rudder trim when I flew his plane, and it's not
overly touchy like our elevator trim. So you can hold the
switch down much longer and make it adjust. Should be pretty
easy to get precision with it.
The cut-in tab would be nice looking, if you can do it well
and keep the structure nice. Don Wentz showed me one at LOE
that looked great that way. You'd have to make sure it's
located well so the elevator wash doesn't make it useless.
My taped on tab is about 5" long, and is made from a wood
slat about 1/4" thick or slightly more, tapered to nothing
on the leading edge. This works well for me in cruise,
but in descent it's too much, and in slower flight it's
not enough.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
> Ive looked at the Rudder Trim on Tims site that Vic did
> and I was wondering about doing a Rudder Trim on mine as well. I was
> wanting to know the length and width of the hinge that is providing the
> tab as well as if it is effective enough or too sensitive to adjust.
> Im trying to figure out what size of a Rudder Trim Tab to make on my
> RV-10. I was thinking of cutting the tab into the rudder like the
> elevator tab. I would have to create a spar for the tab and the ruder
> and possible even be able to have the control linkage comes thru the
> spar as to not be seen from the outside.
>
> Also for those flying with a glued/taped on Rudder Tab, what
> length/width and thinkness did you apply to the rudder to coorect thr trim?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: HID landing light review..and info concerning Aviation |
Consumer.
If you update your article and prep it, I'd be happy to post it
on my site. At least your efforts won't go unseen by the people,
and perhaps it might get some viewing by the general public.
Just an offer...
Tim
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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GRANSCOTT@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 1/23/07 7:47:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> Tim@MyRV10.com writes:
>
>
> Found this on the "generic" RV matronics list today:
>
> For a review of HID landing lights, see
> http://www.preciseflight.com/ufiles/06March_Aviation_Consumer_HID_Article_Main.pdf
>
>
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> After receiving Aviation Consumer for nearly a decade, I've recently
> dropped my subscription for a number of reasons. But during that time
> I've read some interesting articles including this review of the HID
> device. If you've not been exposed to AC's product you might want to
> borrow copies from someone and review all that they have. The folks at
> AC do a nice job in testing and reviewing all types of aviation products.
>
> I've stopped my subscription for several reasons:
>
> The way this product is sent to the subscriber often leads to damage
> product. My monthly product has gone missing at least twice per year
> and at the rate they charge, it's an expensive missing part. If you
> discover it's missing they will send you a replacement product if you
> request it pretty quickly (I wonder if my mail lady is a back sliding
> pilot want-a-bee!) if you don't request quickly then you just go to the
> electronic mag and review.
>
> I began my subscriptions and renewals via mail, their renewals at SnF
> and KOSH were greatly lower than the mail route. This sort of cheese's
> me off and Paul B, the editor, wrote an article some time ago about how
> dangerous home-built's were vs production aircraft that also cheesed my
> off.
>
> Understanding his point of view, after all he's a Mooney driver, I wrote
> a counter article comparing the two top products in each area using NTSB
> data. Thus I selected, Van's vs. Cirrus accidents/incidents showing
> that Van's have an accident rate equal to Piper...slightly above Cessna
> (the safest GA plane out there) vs. accidents of all types. And that
> Cirrus has higher accident rate vs. Van's and Piper and many more times
> the rate vs. Cessna. Cirrus's accident rates are just slight above
> Bonanza.
>
> The numbers gathered were basic raw accident rates from the NTSB. For
> Cirrus's sake, the review was written when Cirrus was somewhat new and
> they were experiencing high fatal accident rates and incidents for
> aircraft departing the runways on take off, or brakes burning up
> etc...lot's of pilot errors. I did not weight the accident rates as the
> Cirrus numbers would have been so awful it would have been ridicules.
> At the time Cirrus did not have that many aircraft flying as they do
> today. Their fleet was doubling about each 6 months, and many of their
> accidents were fatal's.
>
> I'd spent considerable time slicing the NTSB data and writing the
> article, AC did not publish my reply but I got a note from Paul B saying
> my "comments" were interesting but they would not publish my
> information. So I thought how one sided they were in their
> arguments. One interesting item to note is that Cirrus's first fatal
> accident occurred in an experimental SR 20 so even this accident counts
> again experimental's since the SR 20 was not certified at the time...nor
> was the BRS system in place.
>
> At the time, the RV 10 was not a product. Many of the Van's accidents
> occurred because people ran out of gas and had forced landings.
>
> My believe was and still is that not many Van's aircraft are flown hard
> IFR compared to hours flown by Cirrus pilots. Cirrus are used in
> commercial flights or time share services with a "leased" Commercial/ATP
> pilot at the controls.
>
> That the average Van's pilot had more aviation hours flown in total than
> the Cirrus crowd and that they had more experience in IFR and VFR that
> the average Cirrus pilot; and having built their plane, they were more
> familiar with the plane than the Cirrus pilots. And I believe that the
> Van's pilots are a more conservative group of pilots towards their plane
> and skills than are the Cirrus folks---key word here is that this is my
> "belief" not based on any facts only conversations with folks that I
> know that own, fly and or built.
>
> All of the Van's folks in our chapter I know, really know how every
> little thing works on their plane, mechanical, avionics etc. The Cirrus
> folks I know have a good knowledge but not overly knowledgeable.
>
> Well since that time, I still believe the above about both products.
> I'm happy that Cirrus now has transitional training, and a CFI school in
> conjunction with North Dakota. Cessna continues to have the lowest
> accident rate vs. all other GA or Experimental aircraft. And the RV 10
> is growing in safe numbers. I hope to join the ranks of the RV 10
> builders when we complete our move back to IL later this spring. I was
> all set to buy a kit after Thanksgiving when a business thing happened
> and refocusing our family back to IL from PA...I decided not to buy as
> it would mean one more thing to move!
>
> Who know, maybe I'll miss my AC's and re-subscribe at SnF or KOSH but at
> a lower rate than the snail mail subscription rate.
>
> AC rant off...I still like the product and would recommend it to you
> all, highly.
>
> Patrick
> PA 28-235/J 5A (rebuilding)
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Rudder Trim |
Ray,
Jim and Debbie in TX have a trim tab taped on and I believe Deems Davis'
site has pics of it. If I remember from OSH it was about 1 1/2 " wide
and 5-6" tall. I am sure they did a trial and error on how much bend to
put in it.
Do you find a real need for an adjustable trim or is it just needed at c
ruise? Adding Wheel pants MAY change the trim requirements also. I kn
ow lots of RV7 guys use 3M double sided auto trim tape to mount their tr
im tabs. Nice clean fit that sticks even when done AFTER the plane is pa
inted.
Dean 40449
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<P>Jim and Debbie in TX have a trim tab taped on and I believe Deems Dav
is' site has pics of it. If I remember from OSH it was about 1 1/2
" wide and 5-6" tall. I am sure they did a trial and error on how
much bend to put in it.</P>
<P>Do you find a real need for an adjustable trim or is it just needed a
t cruise? Adding Wheel pants MAY change the trim requir
ements also. I know lots of RV7 guys use 3M double sided auto trim
tape to mount their trim tabs. Nice clean fit that sticks even when don
e AFTER the plane is painted.</P>
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| Subject: | Electric Rudder Trim |
Thanks guys. I was thinking of a tab cut into the rudder
maybe 6" long centered just above the tail light and below the next
stiffener where the rudder would still have the bottom rib. I would
re-enforce the rudder by adding tiny triangle ribs and a spar to support
the hinge. My first concern is to ensure I don't reduce the strength of
the rudder from top to bottom.
You brought up a good point about wheel pants, since I still
don't have mine on. So I was thinking the 6" long tab would be maybe
1.5" to 2" deep to have enough throw for any condition and not be too
sensitive. I would ensure that it would swing in the direction that is
mostly needed and use the same bent forward lip that goes under the spar
like on the elevator trim tab.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ddddsp1@juno.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Electric Rudder Trim
Ray,
Jim and Debbie in TX have a trim tab taped on and I believe Deems Davis'
site has pics of it. If I remember from OSH it was about 1 1/2 " wide
and 5-6" tall. I am sure they did a trial and error on how much bend to
put in it.
Do you find a real need for an adjustable trim or is it just needed at
cruise? Adding Wheel pants MAY change the trim requirements also. I
know lots of RV7 guys use 3M double sided auto trim tape to mount their
trim tabs. Nice clean fit that sticks even when done AFTER the plane is
painted.
Dean 40449
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| Subject: | Re: construction dilemmas |
My suggestion:
Now where can one get all the extra $$$$ for this wonderful airplane?
figure 7K to start for tools, kits setup, etc than take as long as
you need to build up for the next stage do the same at each stage until
you hit that last stage than go 10X for that.
I know I would like some mods too.. a cold air sump, Holy Cowl
Take your time reviewing options, there are many companies out there
ready to take 45K for a neat engine. I know by the time I'm ready one of
those companies will have a FADEC type system for the IO540. I want it
and it may be worth the extra, but I have time before needing to worry
about this.
and finally hoping that my wife and I will be able to build this
Sweet! Your wife will work with you to build this? Now that is
great! and Yes you will be able to. If you do want to seriously find out
if your compatible in the workspace- take a Sportair or Alexander or
other class together. That weekend will do a few things for you two 1)
Prove you CAN do it 2) Prove that you work great/awful together.
but at least we will break the project down into small parts..to be
completed individually.
For now plan the budget in 2007 dollars (expect 3-4% increase each
year of building) Tools, workspace prep, kit, engine estimate, avionics,
etc.. Than focus on Stage 1 only. I have important feedback for each
stage from this forum but I worry not about the Panel layout, the
Supercharger- twin turbo ice air induction with a holy moly cow what it
that under the hood engine. It simply would be way too overwhelming to
do otherwise.
Small parts- focus on what is ahead of you right now- tools,
workspace, taking a class, ordering Empennage. Than build and learn that
phase only.
You can do this. One rivet at a time!
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: cloudvalley@comcast.net
To: martrionics
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:26 AM
Subject: RV10-List: construction dilemmas
Hello builders,
Now where can one get all the extra $$$$ for this wonderful airplane?
I know I would like some mods too.. a cold air sump, Holy
Cowl...wondering how much a Barett engine would cost with just the cold
air induction system added..and finally hoping that my wife and I will
be able to build this. It almost seems like one needs apriori
knowlege..but at least we will break the project down into small
parts..to be completed individually.
A worthwhile challenge for sure...and a much better performer than our
Grumman Tiger we sold 4 year ago.
Brian and Ruth Preston
#40666
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| Subject: | Re: construction dilemmas |
A while back the wife & I had come to the point that she needed a new
car (200,000 miles on the '96 Grand Cherokee) & I wanted a Sports Car
(again). We looked at all the Lexus, BMW, M-B, and small engined sedans.
I looked at used Sports Cars, not sporty cars....... Sports Cars. Drove
the Viper, BMW, Porsche, and the other four cylinder cars. We looked at
the most bang for the buck, good mileage, resale & STYLE. Bought a new
300C with 5.7 Hemi for her & a 14 year old stickshift 300HP Corvette for
me. WHY ? ? because they fit OUR mission. Did not want to limp up the
pass coming out of Baker & "smacking my forehead with the flat of my
palm and crying: I COULDA HAD A V8". My next "mission vehicle" an
RV-12, if I need a "flight fix" there's always the HRII Rocket in the
hanger. KABONG Do Not Archive
Current mission: Getting Tom's '67 Charger up & running again.
----- Original Message -----
From: Vern W. Smith
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 8:18 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: construction dilemmas
Hi Brian,
All airplanes are a collection of compromises. Yes even the 10 (this
can be seen by some of the recent more lively discussions.) Figure out
what your "mission" is for the airplane and build accordingly. If
something isn't important to you don't spend the money on it. Beware of
the "for only a few dollars more game". You've seen this it's the guy
who wants to buy a Cessna but for only a few dollars more he could get a
Tiger, but for only a few dollars more he could get a Mooney and then an
old Bonanza. He buys the Bonanza instead of the Cessna. And then says
"crud" why can't I afford this thing? Go back to the original mission
statement!
As far as knowledge it will come. This is a great list too ask
questions. There are several builders course to gain hands on
experience. Your local EAA chapter is a good place to look. Most likely
it has several RV builders and even if they aren't building 10s riveting
is riveting.
Great idea on building one project at a time. As the old saying goes:
How do you eat an elephant? One bit at a time!
Vern Smith (#324 fuselage)
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cloudvalley@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:27 AM
To: martrionics
Subject: RV10-List: construction dilemmas
Hello builders,
Now where can one get all the extra $$$$ for this wonderful airplane?
I know I would like some mods too.. a cold air sump, Holy
Cowl...wondering how much a Barett engine would cost with just the cold
air induction system added..and finally hoping that my wife and I will
be able to build this. It almost seems like one needs apriori
knowlege..but at least we will break the project down into small
parts..to be completed individually.
A worthwhile challenge for sure...and a much better performer than our
Grumman Tiger we sold 4 year ago.
Brian and Ruth Preston
#40666
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator counterbalance weight |
Tom,
I would guess that the easiest way to compensate for the rod's weight
would be to have an equal length of it aft of the hinge line. That would
cancel out the moment arm of the rod extending forward of the hinge line.
Stopping by for a chat with my friendly IA this afternoon, will try to clear
up some questions I have and report back...
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Rudder Trim |
Ray, Ray, Ray, you've been flying WAY too long to be flying
without your pants on. Get those things done so you can
see some better speed! :)
The trim tab sounds OK, but I think on the cut-in one you
may end up wanting to go 2-3" (maybe closer to 3) deep.
You can always regulate the sensitivity by the servo speed.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
> Thanks guys. I was thinking of a tab cut into the rudder
> maybe 6 long centered just above the tail light and below the next
> stiffener where the rudder would still have the bottom rib. I would
> re-enforce the rudder by adding tiny triangle ribs and a spar to support
> the hinge. My first concern is to ensure I dont reduce the strength of
> the rudder from top to bottom.
>
> You brought up a good point about wheel pants, since I still
> dont have mine on. So I was thinking the 6 long tab would be maybe
> 1.5 to 2 deep to have enough throw for any condition and not be too
> sensitive. I would ensure that it would swing in the direction that is
> mostly needed and use the same bent forward lip that goes under the spar
> like on the elevator trim tab.
>
>
>
> Thank You
> *Ray Doerr*
> 40250
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| Subject: | Re: HID landing light review..and info concerning Aviation |
Consumer.
Yeah Patrick, you can't trust them crazy Mooney drivers. They are
Mooneys after all. 8^)
It is the same rag that noted that Mooneys suffer a higher than
average *percentage* of all Mooney accidents due to engine failure.
They refused to acknowledge the key point was that it was a percent
relative to other causes of Mooney accidents, and Mooneys don't seem
to have some other causes that other brands do. They wanted to imply
it meant that Mooneys had more engine failures than other brands,
which AFAIK simply is not true. This was after their own 201 suffered
a flameout on takeoff, cause never determined that resulted in a total
because it landed in a salt water marsh and wasn't retrieved for a few
days. All kind of funny, since after some time, they wound up buying a
231 to replace it.
On 1/24/07, GRANSCOTT@aol.com <GRANSCOTT@aol.com> wrote:
>
> I began my subscriptions and renewals via mail, their renewals at SnF and
> KOSH were greatly lower than the mail route. This sort of cheese's me off
> and Paul B, the editor, wrote an article some time ago about how dangerous
> home-built's were vs production aircraft that also cheesed my off.
>
> Understanding his point of view, after all he's a Mooney driver, I wrote a
> counter article comparing the two top products in each area using NTSB data.
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| Subject: | Van's Motor Mount SB |
Degenerates!
We were all degenates even before this motor mount issue. Remember we are
all in the "Experimental Catagory"
Just give me parts that assemble correctly, run well and have low
maintainence and I am one happy camper.
John G.
>From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Van's Motor Mount SB
>Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:46:44 -0500
>
>
>There is good news for me though, all of us that are putting in
>alternative engines are now lumped into the same category! Regardless if
>it is a Subaru, an Aerosport or BPA, welcome to the dark side Ladies and
>Gents, we have all been assimilated as those people putting alternative
>engines in the 10.
>Suddenly the pool got really crowded! "GRIN"
>Dan
>N289DT (RV10E) on the wild side and loving it!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:18 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's Motor Mount SB
>
>
>Should I keep the nitrous system secret still, or can I tell
>people about it now. ;)
>
>It's too bad we had to see this whole clearance thread even
>come BACK with the prior history we had. One fix done well
>could have prevented a reoccurance.
>
>I still get a laugh out of one person saying that my engine
>wasn't a Lycoming engine, so maybe mine was different....it
>wasn't a Lycoming, it was an Aerosport. That always gives
>me the giggles. That's like saying, I don't drive any GM
>products....mine's made by Chevrolet.
>
>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>do not archive
>
>
>RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
><rvbuilder@sausen.net>
> >
> > The short version is Van's was hit with a lawsuit around similar
>items
> > in the past. They made modifications to the RV-10 mount in the past
> > because their mockup was wrong. When they realized that Deems issue
>was
> > because of the cold air sump, and others were in the pipeline, they
>kept
> > their word to Deems and then issued the SB stopping any future
> > modifications. Good thing Tim didn't let them know he had a
>Lightspeed
> > ignition on his when he sent it back for modification, might be
> > producing more than 260HP.
> >
> > Michael
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: HID landing light review..and info concerning Aviation |
Consumer.
In a message dated 1/24/07 1:09:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
apilot2@gmail.com writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com>
Yeah Patrick, you can't trust them crazy Mooney drivers. They are
Mooneys after all. 8^)
Kelly, I looked at the Mooney numbers and they are very acceptable
especially if you look at their fatal rate compared to accidents...one of the
best out
there...strong wing and solid steel cage makes a difference apparently! Now
if I could just lose enough weight to be comfortable sitting on the floor!!!
Patrick
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| Subject: | Re: HID landing light review..and info concerning Aviation |
Consumer.
I know. They just wanted to say that because something like 20+
percent of Mooney accidents were engine failures, that they had a
problem with the engines or installation, when the real cause was lack
of some other categories of accidents, raising the engine failure
percentage. Seems they need to consult with a statitician before they
make stupid statements like that.
But your RV-10 certainly won't have any of those worries, eh?
On 1/24/07, GRANSCOTT@aol.com <GRANSCOTT@aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/24/07 1:09:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> apilot2@gmail.com writes:
>
> Yeah Patrick, you can't trust them crazy Mooney drivers. They are
> Mooneys after all. 8^)
> Kelly, I looked at the Mooney numbers and they are very acceptable
> especially if you look at their fatal rate compared to accidents...one of
> the best out there...strong wing and solid steel cage makes a difference
> apparently! Now if I could just lose enough weight to be comfortable
> sitting on the floor!!!
>
> Patrick
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Van's Motor Mount SB |
RAS,
The list does have some redeeming values if you can delete the Van bashing
and rant postings quickly.
Mark
>From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Van's Motor Mount SB
>Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:56:55 -0600
>
><rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
>Bye
>
>Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAS
>Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:52 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's Motor Mount SB
>
><deruiteraircraftservices@btinternet.com>
>
>Van's should incorporate all the ideas and suggestions so that there are
>no
>complaints and price the kit around the $250K mark........
>
>to much nonsense on the list, multiple replies from same listers on same
>
>subject, I'm leaving the list.
>
>do not archive.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Follow-up on Service Letter |
I had no idea that my post on this subject would kick off such a
firestorm of opinion. But I would like to let everybody know that my
off-line dealings w/ Van's on this topic have been Professional and
Courteous and included an _extra measure_ of Customer Service. I believe
that Scott' s objective was to better understand the source of the
engine mount interference issue, so that they could determine how and
whether they needed to respond. _How_ and _whether_ they respond are
clearly their decisions to make. I also believe that I was responsible
for mislabeling this as a Service Bulletin, when in actuality it was a
Service Letter, per Scott @ Van's Service Letters are 'informational'
and are not intended to imply any immediate safety concern. Scott
indicated to me off-line that they were rewording the Service Letter to
more accurately represent Barretts engines and services. That's a good
thing! and further serves to illustrate their willingness to 'do the
right thing'.
Me? I'm just tickled pink to live in a land that allows me to build and
fly airplanes that I build to meet my own peculiar wants and needs. And
I'm tickled silly that I've got a partner in Van's that makes this
possible by taking 49% of the work and 95% of the engineering off my plate!
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Electric Rudder Trim |
Ray,
My rudder trim is exactly as you discribe.
It uses a Ray Allen servo inside the rudder.
I'll take pictues tonight.
Eric Parlow
40014
N104EP
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Electric Rudder Trim
Thanks guys. I was thinking of a tab cut into the rudder maybe
6" long centered just above the tail light and below the next stiffener
where the rudder would still have the bottom rib. I would re-enforce the
rudder by adding tiny triangle ribs and a spar to support the hinge. My
first concern is to ensure I don't reduce the strength of the rudder from
top to bottom.
You brought up a good point about wheel pants, since I still
don't have mine on. So I was thinking the 6" long tab would be maybe 1.5"
to 2" deep to have enough throw for any condition and not be too sensitive.
I would ensure that it would swing in the direction that is mostly needed
and use the same bent forward lip that goes under the spar like on the
elevator trim tab.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ddddsp1@juno.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Electric Rudder Trim
Ray,
Jim and Debbie in TX have a trim tab taped on and I believe Deems Davis'
site has pics of it. If I remember from OSH it was about 1 1/2 " wide and
5-6" tall. I am sure they did a trial and error on how much bend to put in
it.
Do you find a real need for an adjustable trim or is it just needed at
cruise? Adding Wheel pants MAY change the trim requirements also. I know
lots of RV7 guys use 3M double sided auto trim tape to mount their trim
tabs. Nice clean fit that sticks even when done AFTER the plane is painted.
Dean 40449
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| Subject: | Follow-up on Service Letter |
Deems:
I just received word from Van's that they are in the process of
rewording the letter along the lines that the issue affects Lycoming
IO-540 engines modified with cold air induction. I concur that Van's has
been very responsive and helpful in clarifying their statement.
Rhonda
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Follow-up on Service Letter
I had no idea that my post on this subject would kick off such a
firestorm of opinion. But I would like to let everybody know that my
off-line dealings w/ Van's on this topic have been Professional and
Courteous and included an _extra measure_ of Customer Service. I believe
that Scott' s objective was to better understand the source of the
engine mount interference issue, so that they could determine how and
whether they needed to respond. _How_ and _whether_ they respond are
clearly their decisions to make. I also believe that I was responsible
for mislabeling this as a Service Bulletin, when in actuality it was a
Service Letter, per Scott @ Van's Service Letters are 'informational'
and are not intended to imply any immediate safety concern. Scott
indicated to me off-line that they were rewording the Service Letter to
more accurately represent Barretts engines and services. That's a good
thing! and further serves to illustrate their willingness to 'do the
right thing'.
Me? I'm just tickled pink to live in a land that allows me to build and
fly airplanes that I build to meet my own peculiar wants and needs. And
I'm tickled silly that I've got a partner in Van's that makes this
possible by taking 49% of the work and 95% of the engineering off my
plate!
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: HID landing light review |
I got curious since the article on HIDS mentioned prices were lowering.
I checked with Duckworks and hear that the 35w is $380 now. Sure
makes that price look good in comparison to the article prices.
($495 and up) Their price never was even up to that high, if I
can remember right from when I got mine.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> Hey I keep forgetting to ask you, do you think two added a lot or would
> one do? I put one in my left wing and I'm trying to decide if I want to
> put one in my right wing. I put in the platenuts just in case so its
> not too big of a deal to add.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:06 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: HID landing light review
>
>
> Yes, that's what I have. They really work well once aimed properly.
> They're only 35W, which is both good and bad. Good in that the
> do honestly only draw 6A total or less. Bad in that they
> aren't the biggest, baddest, brightest lights available anymore.
> But, for our small planes, they're plenty bright. I can see
> much much better than in my previous plane that had a 250W
> bulb, which I swapped for 2 100W bulbs. Neither combination
> could even give 1/2 of what I get with these. The 35w vs 50w
> does have the upside in the lower power draw too.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Phillips, Jack wrote:
> <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
>> Tim,
>>
>> Don't you have the Duckworks HID system on your plane? Are you happy
>> with it?
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>> #40610
>> Finishing up the elevators
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:42 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: HID landing light review
>>
>>
>> Found this on the "generic" RV matronics list today:
>>
>> For a review of HID landing lights, see
>>
> http://www.preciseflight.com/ufiles/06March_Aviation_Consumer_HID_Articl
>> e_Main.pdf
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Control surface balancing |
All,
I had my informal chat with my local IA today and got the skinny on
how control surfaces are balanced. Hope this is helpfull. Control surfaces
are balanced off the airplane on a fixture that can be as simple as a couple
of nails in a table underneath the hinge points. If done on the airplane
( my preference ), it should be done free of the rest of the control system.
The hinge axis should be level. For our elevators with the trailing edges
low, the torque value ( 37.5 in/lbs ) applied forward of the hinge line
should bring the elevators to the trailing edge level position. This force
can be applied with a rod of some sort extending forward and aft of the
hinge line 37.5" with a 1 lb weight attached. By extending fore and aft the
same distance you negate the moment arm of the rod. Similarly for the
rudder ( which would be laid on its side ) and ailerons. Adding or
subtracting weight in the rudder or elevators wouldn't be too hard but I
don't know how you would adjust the aileron countrweight.
As an aside, Van's sent me the wrong counterweights for the elevators
when I got my tail kit. I talked to them about it and was told to cut down
what I had and drill new holes and it would be fine. They seemed to think
that it was preferrable to shipping lead across the country. Instead I had
them ship me new ones. Somewhere in my memory I recall being told that
the -10 had been flown without any counterweights and didn't experience
flutter. Please don't take that as gospel.
I don't know what effect the trim system would have other than
requiring more weight to offset the trim. As usual this information is for
entertainment purposes only and no warranty of usefullness applies. Always
check with tech support before proceding. The preceding has not been checked
for correctness by the FAA, CAA, NCAA, NRA,TAA or any other A's out there.
Your milage may vary, void where prohibited by law or common sense.......
John Hasbrouck
#40264
Trying to fulfill the educational part of this adventure!
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Rudder Trim |
By copying the photos of Vic's plane I measured the hinge in Excel and came
up with what I think the dimensions are. My measurements are 1.5" wide by 11"
long. The hinge knuckles are 0.5 inches long or 1" of the pitch. The full
open width is 1.5" I am installing the electric trim on my rudder, but have not
closed it out yet. I have the same question as to the length. I am
considering making it just a little longer, maybe ~16" so I'd have more movement
of the
ball to achieve more like 1 ball width. Nothing really scientific.
Dave Syvertson
Empennage
40625
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| Subject: | Re: happy with Van's rant |
> Hobby! Hobby! This is no d&^%^ Hobby! This is life. This is passion.
> This is what I live for, what I work for, what I gave up xes for! Hobby?
> You nuts?
>
> Ok, I'm ok. I'm calming down. I'll go to the hanger tonight and hook
> myself up to the rivet gun. Get another fix.
John, you've hit on one of my conundrums. My wife calls my involvement with
RVs a "hobby" but that has always seemed an inadequate description that to
me trivializes it a bit -- as we all know it is much more than that.
Passion? Sure. Lifestyle? That too. In the end I have yet to come up with a
word that I think adequately describes this avocation we are all so into.
Anyone have a better way to describe it?
RV-10 list lurker,
Randy Lervold
www.rv-3.com
www.rv-8.com
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| Subject: | Re: happy with Van's rant |
Randy Lervold wrote:
> all so into. Anyone have a better way to describe it?
Obsession? Addiction? :-)
-Dj
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| Subject: | Electric Rudder Trim |
There's a guy building a -7 a couple of T-hangars down from me, and the
stock 7 uses a spring bias system to introduce unequal aileron displacement
to "trim" the airplane in roll. Do you think that engineering a spring bias
system coupled to the rudder cables themselves for yaw "trim" would help
instead of developing a separate but interconnected system?
Rob Wright
#392
Fuse
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
[NTK]
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:41 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Electric Rudder Trim
I've looked at the Rudder Trim on Tim's site that Vic did and I
was wondering about doing a Rudder Trim on mine as well. I was wanting to
know the length and width of the hinge that is providing the tab as well as
if it is effective enough or too sensitive to adjust. I'm trying to figure
out what size of a Rudder Trim Tab to make on my RV-10. I was thinking of
cutting the tab into the rudder like the elevator tab. I would have to
create a spar for the tab and the ruder and possible even be able to have
the control linkage comes thru the spar as to not be seen from the outside.
Also for those flying with a glued/taped on Rudder Tab, what
length/width and thinkness did you apply to the rudder to coorect thr trim?
Thank You
Ray Doerr
CDNI Principal Engineer
Sprint PCS
16020 West 113th Street
Lenexa, KS 66219
Mailstop KSLNXK0101
(913) 859-1414 (Office)
(913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
(913) 859-1234 (Fax)
Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com
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| Subject: | Re: happy with Van's rant |
Oh yeah! ADDICTION!!! I admit it. I'm addicted. There appears to be
no relief ..... repeat offenders abound.
Linn
Randy Lervold wrote:
>
>> Hobby! Hobby! This is no d&^%^ Hobby! This is life. This is passion.
>> This is what I live for, what I work for, what I gave up xes for!
>> Hobby?
>> You nuts?
>>
>> Ok, I'm ok. I'm calming down. I'll go to the hanger tonight and hook
>> myself up to the rivet gun. Get another fix.
>
>
> John, you've hit on one of my conundrums. My wife calls my involvement
> with RVs a "hobby" but that has always seemed an inadequate
> description that to me trivializes it a bit -- as we all know it is
> much more than that. Passion? Sure. Lifestyle? That too. In the end I
> have yet to come up with a word that I think adequately describes this
> avocation we are all so into. Anyone have a better way to describe it?
>
> RV-10 list lurker,
> Randy Lervold
> www.rv-3.com
> www.rv-8.com
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | FW: [JamesAircraft] First RV-10 to fly in Canada takes off |
in Charlottetown
Repost from the James Aircraft list. Some new, some not........
From: JamesAircraft@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:JamesAircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lizzyjames4_7
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:30 PM
Subject: [JamesAircraft] First RV-10 to fly in Canada takes off in
Charlottetown
Cool News! Pictures posted
--------------------------------------
Hi Will.
I will get you some stats after I get used to this hot rod,I only have
3 hours on it so far and it is a beauty. I want to thank you folks at
James Aircraft you were a pleasure to work with. We were climbing at
2200 feet per minute with full fuel and two adults over 400 total crew
weight. It is very fast compared to my Cherokee pa 140. You can use
any info you want for your web page or for any thing you want use it
for.
Cheers
David Corrigan
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Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 6:41 PM
Subject: Article for COPA magazine
First RV-10 to fly in Canada takes off in Charlottetown
By
Barry Martin
The first Vans RV-10 to fly in Canada took to the air on January 18,
2007 from the Charlottetown Airport on PEI. After approximately 16
months of building and, much to the delight of Owner and Builder David
Corrigan and co-builder Deryck Hickox, the RV-10 lifted off around
noon in clear skies and light winds, although the temperature was a
little cool, being around minus 5 degrees C. With the IO-540 purring
like a kitten, the RV-10 was through circuit height before reaching
the end of the runway.
Test pilot Glen McLarty took the RV to 4000 feet over the airport to
do the initial tests then headed north of the airport to finish the
first round of tests. In communication with the ground crew, Glen
relayed that the plane flew straight and level even with his hands off
the stick.
The RV-10 is equipped with a Lycoming IO-540 that was rebuilt by
Aerotec in Halifax and has a MT 3 blade propeller up front. The
instrument panel is well equipped with an AF-2500 engine monitor,
Garmin 430, Garmin SL-30, PS Engineering Audio Panel, Garmin GTX 327
Transponder, ATD-300 Traffic Watch and a TruTrak Autopilot. As all the
instruments are electrically run, there is also a back-up battery.
This is the first homebuilt project for Dave, locally known as "The
Flying Real Estate Agent", but Deryck has over 30 years experience
building and restoring aircraft, much of it with the Canadian Warplane
Heritage in Hamilton. Deryck, originally from PEI, moved back after
retiring from Air Canada where he worked as an AME. Since starting the
project, Deryck has formed D. Hickox Aviation Services specializing in
aircraft restoration, fabric covering and home built aircraft. He can
be contacted at 902-894-4522 if you have a project you would like him
to build or restore.
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| Subject: | Electric Rudder Trim |
My Q2 had a spring bias system for pitch trim and so I have thought about
this idea a few times but previously decided it wouldn't work. My concerns
were that it's not really a closed system since the rudder pedals are not
connected on the firewall side. However, it occurred to me that since we
really only need to be able to put pressure pulling forward on the right
rudder cable you probably could add a spring controlled by a lever on just
that cable.
One question for the group - I only needed a little rudder tab initially but
after installing the wheel pants it's significantly greater. My plan is to
eyeball and also re-measure the strut cover alignments, but any suggestions
on tweaks that would help? I need more right rudder than before so I'm
guessing the left side is dragging a little and not aligned with the
relative wind as well as the right.
Marcus
40286
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Wright
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:44 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Electric Rudder Trim
There's a guy building a -7 a couple of T-hangars down from me, and the
stock 7 uses a spring bias system to introduce unequal aileron displacement
to "trim" the airplane in roll. Do you think that engineering a spring bias
system coupled to the rudder cables themselves for yaw "trim" would help
instead of developing a separate but interconnected system?
Rob Wright
#392
Fuse
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
[NTK]
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:41 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Electric Rudder Trim
I've looked at the Rudder Trim on Tim's site that Vic did and I
was wondering about doing a Rudder Trim on mine as well. I was wanting to
know the length and width of the hinge that is providing the tab as well as
if it is effective enough or too sensitive to adjust. I'm trying to figure
out what size of a Rudder Trim Tab to make on my RV-10. I was thinking of
cutting the tab into the rudder like the elevator tab. I would have to
create a spar for the tab and the ruder and possible even be able to have
the control linkage comes thru the spar as to not be seen from the outside.
Also for those flying with a glued/taped on Rudder Tab, what
length/width and thinkness did you apply to the rudder to coorect thr trim?
Thank You
Ray Doerr
CDNI Principal Engineer
Sprint PCS
16020 West 113th Street
Lenexa, KS 66219
Mailstop KSLNXK0101
(913) 859-1414 (Office)
(913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
(913) 859-1234 (Fax)
Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com
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| Subject: | Cold Air Induction |
As an adjunct to the comments about Cirrus as an alternative to a
$250,000 Van improved kit. You will find from most Cirrus pilots that
their seats are not as comfortable as VANS. With the handle
modification, I think it is a safe and reasonable feature.
The seat war was a long time ago from a distant galaxy.
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cold Air Induction
I think John is right that they may not want to eliminate the
seats for you. That said, those seats are surprisingly
extremely comfortable and far nicer than I would have imagined
when you're on long trips. My story is that I flew all the
way to Oregon and borrowed a fellow -10'ers fully decked
leather suburban for some sightseeing. The seats in the
-10 were way more comfortable after a few hours than the
nice seats in that truck. They're more comfortable than
my couch or recliner or office chair too. Having spent
192+ hours in them, I'm certainly glad I didn't try to
buck that price and do something different.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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John W. Cox wrote:
> Mike do you want to amend the below answer regarding Oregon Aero
seats?
>
>
>
> */John Cox/*
> */#40600/*
>
>
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>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *RV
Builder
> (Michael Sausen)
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:21 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Cold Air Induction
>
>
>
> Yes, they will credit you for anything you want to delete from the
> kits including the cowl. They do tell you if you order the cowl after
> the fact expect the price to be a great deal higher. Makes sense as
it
> keeps them from having to deal with people that change their minds
after
> it shipped. As I said earlier, it's about an $800 difference.
>
>
>
> You can get in touch with Will at www.jamesaircraft.com
> <http://www.jamesaircraft.com>.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Electric Rudder Trim |
Remember too that Vic is running one of those Performance clone engines
(Ferrari "Arrest me Red") and a three blade plastic prop. That is
clearly "hot rodding" by today's standards and a smile when I see
pictures of it. Vic, thanks for thinking outside the box and building a
safe RV-10.
John Cox
#40600
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Electric Rudder Trim
Ray, Vic says it's sensitive enough to swing the ball I think
1/2 to 3/4 of a ball either way of center. As for the length,
I wondered the same myself, but the photos should let us count
the number of hinge eyelits and go from there. I think it's
the standard aluminum hinge. The width is just the hinge
itself, no extra tab material.
I ran his rudder trim when I flew his plane, and it's not
overly touchy like our elevator trim. So you can hold the
switch down much longer and make it adjust. Should be pretty
easy to get precision with it.
The cut-in tab would be nice looking, if you can do it well
and keep the structure nice. Don Wentz showed me one at LOE
that looked great that way. You'd have to make sure it's
located well so the elevator wash doesn't make it useless.
My taped on tab is about 5" long, and is made from a wood
slat about 1/4" thick or slightly more, tapered to nothing
on the leading edge. This works well for me in cruise,
but in descent it's too much, and in slower flight it's
not enough.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Van's Motor Mount SB |
Mark this would be a quiet list indeed with less red meat and bland
potatoes if everyone was a Kool-aid drinker. Lively discussion only
requires an occasional Delete Key or giving the baseless rants a quick
read.
I am hoping that most builders are seeking out the kernels of safety
features buried in the pile of posts which lead to safer statistics. It
seems interesting that no one is wondering what details led to the 1999
incident/accident which is hitting the EAA membership with the 4 million
dollar insurance payout. Oh well, the drugs in the Kool Aid are
working.
Someone had the foresight to ask if VAN was sweep into the widows
lawsuit since it was a stock - non modified RV6A. No one got an
answer.... "pass around that pitcher please."
John Cox
Do not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ritter
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:35 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Van's Motor Mount SB
RAS,
The list does have some redeeming values if you can delete the Van
bashing
and rant postings quickly.
Mark
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| Subject: | Follow-up on Service Letter |
That is great for Barrett's fine engines. Now how does that affect
Aerosport and the issue that Tim posted so long ago with his stock
Lycoming IO-540?
I commend the amended language. Just wondering about the basis.
John Cox
#40600
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Bewley
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 12:39 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Follow-up on Service Letter
Deems:
I just received word from Van's that they are in the process of
rewording the letter along the lines that the issue affects Lycoming
IO-540 engines modified with cold air induction. I concur that Van's has
been very responsive and helpful in clarifying their statement.
Rhonda
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Follow-up on Service Letter
I had no idea that my post on this subject would kick off such a
firestorm of opinion. But I would like to let everybody know that my
off-line dealings w/ Van's on this topic have been Professional and
Courteous and included an _extra measure_ of Customer Service. I believe
that Scott' s objective was to better understand the source of the
engine mount interference issue, so that they could determine how and
whether they needed to respond. _How_ and _whether_ they respond are
clearly their decisions to make. I also believe that I was responsible
for mislabeling this as a Service Bulletin, when in actuality it was a
Service Letter, per Scott @ Van's Service Letters are 'informational'
and are not intended to imply any immediate safety concern. Scott
indicated to me off-line that they were rewording the Service Letter to
more accurately represent Barretts engines and services. That's a good
thing! and further serves to illustrate their willingness to 'do the
right thing'.
Me? I'm just tickled pink to live in a land that allows me to build and
fly airplanes that I build to meet my own peculiar wants and needs. And
I'm tickled silly that I've got a partner in Van's that makes this
possible by taking 49% of the work and 95% of the engineering off my
plate!
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Cold Air Induction |
John W. Cox wrote:
> The seat war was a long time ago from a distant galaxy.
*waves hand slowly* These ARE the seats you are looking for...
-Dj
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The torque values are on the wheels. I believe it is 90in-lbs.
Anh
N591VU-11hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Wright
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 6:58 PM
Subject: RV10-List: front wheel
Anybody seen torque values for the front wheel halves? It's an AN4 bolt,
so 50-70 plus drag should be correct. Just wondering if there are other g
uidelines.
Rob Wright
#392
Fuse & gear, waiting for interior paint to arrive.
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Chris,
You're welcome! You have lots of experience working with aluminum already,
but let me know if I can help in any way once you start your project.
Anh
N591VU-11hrs
Subject: RE:
From: CHRISTOPHER HARRIS (cbpip@verizon.net)
Date: Wed Jan 24 - 6:31 AM
I just wanted to give quick shout out to Ahn Vu. He invited me to take a lo
ok at
his newly flown RV-10 at St.Marys airport the other day. It was a great ple
asure
to meet him and see a quality built aircraft. I hope to be joining the list
of builders in the very near future, and again it was fantastic to see his
project. Ahn exemplified the kind of person in the "community" that I would
enjoy
being associated with. My project will be a standard kit except for the hug
e
rubberband up front, this will probably require mount modification to conta
in
all the torque, I think I'll extend the tail feathers by a couple of feet t
o
compesate with some large wieghts on the tips, or mabe just go with stock.
Thanks again Ahn, great job.
Tom Deutsch <deutscht@rhwhotels.com> wrote:
Some folks should simply buy airplanes and not try to build them!
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| Subject: | Re: construction dilemmas |
Hi,
yes my wife wants to do the building project also. In my case, I am lucky. It
is she who is the pilot. She flew across the US 8 times in her Grumman Tiger (with
her ex). We got the airplane but were too busy at that time to use it much.
So we sold it. Now I want to finish my lessons in the RV10. She is instrument-rated
so I will have a wonderful flying companion as well as a building companion.
Brian and Ruth
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Pascal" <rv10builder@verizon.net>
My suggestion:
Now where can one get all the extra $$$$ for this wonderful airplane?
figure 7K to start for tools, kits setup, etc than take as long as you need
to build up for the next stage do the same at each stage until you hit that last
stage than go 10X for that.
I know I would like some mods too.. a cold air sump, Holy Cowl
Take your time reviewing options, there are many companies out there ready
to take 45K for a neat engine. I know by the time I'm ready one of those companies
will have a FADEC type system for the IO540. I want it and it may be worth
the extra, but I have time before needing to worry about this.
and finally hoping that my wife and I will be able to build this
Sweet! Your wife will work with you to build this? Now that is great! and Yes
you will be able to. If you do want to seriously find out if your compatible
in the workspace- take a Sportair or Alexander or other class together. That
weekend will do a few things for you two 1) Prove you CAN do it 2) Prove that
you work great/awful together.
but at least we will break the project down into small parts..to be completed individually.
For now plan the budget in 2007 dollars (expect 3-4% increase each year of
building) Tools, workspace prep, kit, engine estimate, avionics, etc.. Than focus
on Stage 1 only. I have important feedback for each stage from this forum
but I worry not about the Panel layout, the Supercharger- twin turbo ice air
induction with a holy moly cow what it that under the hood engine. It simply would
be way too overwhelming to do otherwise.
Small parts- focus on what is ahead of you right now- tools, workspace, taking
a class, ordering Empennage. Than build and learn that phase only.
You can do this. One rivet at a time!
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: cloudvalley@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:26 AM
Subject: RV10-List: construction dilemmas
Hello builders,
Now where can one get all the extra $$$$ for this wonderful airplane? I know I
would like some mods too.. a cold air sump, Holy Cowl...wondering how much a Barett
engine would cost with just the cold air induction system added..and finally
hoping that my wife and I will be able to build this. It almost seems like
one needs apriori knowlege..but at least we will break the project down into
small parts..to be completed individually.
A worthwhile challenge for sure...and a much better performer than our Grumman
Tiger we sold 4 year ago.
Brian and Ruth Preston
#40666
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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<html><body>
<DIV>Hi,</DIV>
<DIV> yes my wife wants to do the building project also. In my case, I am
lucky. It is she who is the pilot. She flew across the US 8 times in her Grumman
Tiger (with her ex). We got the airplane but were too busy at that time to
use it much. So we sold it. Now I want to finish my lessons in the RV10.
She is instrument-rated so I will have a wonderful flying companion as well as
a building companion. </DIV>
<DIV>Brian and Ruth</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Pascal" <rv10builder@verizon.net>
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<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3020" name=GENERATOR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My suggestion:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Now where can one get all the extra $$$$ for this wonderful airplane?
</DIV>
<DIV> figure 7K to start for tools, kits setup, etc than take
as long as you need to build up for the next stage do the same at each stage
until you hit that last stage than go 10X for that.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I know I would like some mods too.. a cold air sump, Holy Cowl</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Take your time reviewing options,
there are many companies out there ready to take 45K for a neat engine. I know
by the time I'm ready one of those companies will have a FADEC type system
for the IO540. I want it and it may be worth the extra, but I have time before
needing to worry about this.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>and finally hoping that my wife and I will be able to build this</DIV>
<DIV> Sweet! Your wife will work with you to build this? Now
that is great! and Yes you will be able to. If you do want to seriously find out
if your compatible in the workspace- take a Sportair or Alexander or other
class together. That weekend will do a few things for you two 1) Prove you CAN
do it 2) Prove that you work great/awful together. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>but at least we will break the project down into small parts..to be completed
individually. </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> For now plan the budget in
2007 dollars (expect 3-4% increase each year of building) Tools, workspace prep,
kit, engine estimate, avionics, etc.. Than focus on Stage 1 only. I have
important feedback for each stage from this forum but I worry not about the Panel
layout, the Supercharger- twin turbo ice air induction with a holy moly cow
what it that under the hood engine. It simply would be way too overwhelming
to do otherwise.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Small parts- focus on what is ahead
of you right now- tools, workspace, taking a class, ordering Empennage. Than
build and learn that phase only.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You can do this. One rivet at a time!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Pascal</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=cloudvalley@comcast.net href="mailto:cloudvalley@comcast.net">cloudvalley@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:26 AM</DIV>
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<DIV>Hello builders,</DIV>
<DIV>Now where can one get all the extra $$$$ for this wonderful airplane? I know
I would like some mods too.. a cold air sump, Holy Cowl...wondering how much
a Barett engine would cost with just the cold air induction system added..and
finally hoping that my wife and I will be able to build this. It almost seems
like one needs apriori knowlege..but at least we will break the project down
into small parts..to be completed individually. </DIV>
<DIV>A worthwhile challenge for sure...and a much better performer than our Grumman
Tiger we sold 4 year ago.</DIV>
<DIV>Brian and Ruth Preston</DIV>
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Hello Vern,
Thank you for the encouragement. We took a class and built the empennage allready
anyway. I guess one really needs to assess thier mission about why they want
a plane like this. We want to fly all over the country, so I think this plane
would be a good choice! .I will be a regular in matrionics..we are trying to
get finances ready for the rest of the kit now. Hope to get going again soon
on it. Thanks again, and for all the nice comments made by others.
Brian and Ruth
#40666
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From: "Vern W. Smith" <Vern@teclabsinc.com>
Hi Brian,
All airplanes are a collection of compromises. Yes even the 10 (this can be seen
by some of the recent more lively discussions.) Figure out what your mission
is for the airplane and build accordingly. If something isnt important to you
dont spend the money on it. Beware of the for only a few dollars more game.
Youve seen this its the guy who wants to buy a Cessna but for only a few dollars
more he could get a Tiger, but for only a few dollars more he could get a
Mooney and then an old Bonanza. He buys the Bonanza instead of the Cessna. And
then says crud why cant I afford this thing? Go back to the original mission
statement!
As far as knowledge it will come. This is a great list too ask questions. There
are several builders course to gain hands on experience. Your local EAA chapter
is a good place to look. Most likely it has several RV builders and even if
they arent building 10s riveting is riveting.
Great idea on building one project at a time. As the old saying goes: How do you
eat an elephant? One bit at a time!
Vern Smith (#324 fuselage)
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cloudvalley@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:27 AM
Subject: RV10-List: construction dilemmas
Hello builders,
Now where can one get all the extra $$$$ for this wonderful airplane? I know I
would like some mods too.. a cold air sump, Holy Cowl...wondering how much a Barett
engine would cost with just the cold air induction system added..and finally
hoping that my wife and I will be able to build this. It almost seems like
one needs apriori knowlege..but at least we will break the project down into
small parts..to be completed individually.
A worthwhile challenge for sure...and a much better performer than our Grumman
Tiger we sold 4 year ago.
Brian and Ruth Preston
#40666
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<DIV>Hello Vern,</DIV>
<DIV>Thank you for the encouragement. We took a class and built the empennage allready
anyway. I guess one really needs to assess thier mission about why they
want a plane like this. We want to fly all over the country, so I think this
plane would be a good choice! .I will be a regular in matrionics..we are trying
to get finances ready for the rest of the kit now. Hope to get going again
soon on it. Thanks again, and for all the nice comments made by others.</DIV>
<DIV>Brian and Ruth</DIV>
<DIV>#40666</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">All airplanes are a collection of compromises.
Yes even the 10 (this can be seen by some of the recent more lively discussions.)
Figure out what your mission is for the airplane and build
accordingly. If something isnt important to you dont spend the money on it.
Beware of the for only a few dollars more game. Youve seen this its the guy
who wants to buy a Cessna but for only a few dollars more he could get a Tiger,
but for only a few dollars more he could get a Mooney and then an old Bonanza.
He buys the Bonanza instead of the Cessna. And then says crud why cant I afford
this thing? Go back to the original mission statement!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As far as knowledge it will come. This is
a great list too ask questions. There are several builders course to gain hands
on experience. Your local EAA chapter is a good place to look. Most likely
it has several RV builders and even if they arent building 10s riveting is riveting.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Great idea on building one project at a
time. As the old saying goes: How do you eat an elephant? One bit at a time!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt">Now where can one get all the extra $$$$ for this wonderful airplane? I
know I would like some mods too.. a cold air sump, Holy Cowl...wondering how much
a Barett engine would cost with just the cold air induction system added..and
finally hoping that my wife and I will be able to build this. It almost seems
like one needs apriori knowlege..but at least we will break the project down
into small parts..to be completed individually. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt">A worthwhile challenge for sure...and a much better performer than our Grumman
Tiger we sold 4 year ago.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
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Hello Mike!
Thank you for your encouragement also! It turns out we spent some money and went
to a class..finished the empennage and learned some valuable skills. I also
called Barretts and they sound really great if we ca ncome up with the extra
for a cold air induction system..it seems like the best way to go. Thanks for
your input. No w we are gettig our finances together for the rest of the kit..thanks
again.
Brian and Ruth Preston
#40666
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Extras can get you in trouble in a hurry and I can relate to the uncertainty
on if you can build this monster. I never really questioned on if I had the skills,
more if I had the patience to hammer all these rivets. When I learned
that Van came out with a model that fit my mission profile better than anything
else out there, you do have a mission profile you are making your decisions
right, my next concern was if I would go nuts like John J banging away on rivet
after rivet. Believe me I never had a remote urge to build an aluminum aircraft,
I was a fast glass man. So I flew to Denver, took a Sportair RV Assembly
class, and did a little skiing. I ordered my tail kit the next week and never
looked back.
You already have the tail kit so you made the tough choice. Every first timer
can see the difference in their skills as they work through the chapters of
the tail kit. My suggestion is to talk to vendors like Barrett, Stein, and others.
They are extremely knowledgeable and will not point you in the wrong direction
to make a buck. If you are uncomfortable with your skills talk to other
builders in your area, I doubt any one of us would turn down a visit or free
help. I cant recommend the Sportair workshops enough. If nothing else they
give you practice on something other than your kit. And most importantly, do
not be afraid to ask a question. Ive asked a few that I slapped myself on the
forehead over after people responded. As the old saying goes, there are no
dumb questions, just dumb people. Wait, that doesnt sound right. J
Now back to work!
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Limbo
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cloudvalley@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: RV10-List: construction dilemmas
Hello builders,
Now where can one get all the extra $$$$ for this wonderful airplane? I know I
would like some mods too.. a cold air sump, Holy Cowl...wondering how much a Barett
engine would cost with just the cold air induction system added..and finally
hoping that my wife and I will be able to build this. It almost seems like
one needs apriori knowlege..but at least we will break the project down into
small parts..to be completed individually.
A worthwhile challenge for sure...and a much better performer than our Grumman
Tiger we sold 4 year ago.
Brian and Ruth Preston
#40666
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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<DIV>Hello Mike!</DIV>
<DIV> Thank you for your encouragement also! It turns out we spent some money
and went to a class..finished the empennage and learned some valuable skills.
I also called Barretts and they sound really great if we ca ncome up with
the extra for a cold air induction system..it seems like the best way to go. Thanks
for your input. No w we are gettig our finances together for the rest of
the kit..thanks again.</DIV>
<DIV>Brian and Ruth Preston</DIV>
<DIV>#40666</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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Extras can get you in trouble in a hurry and I can
relate to the uncertainty on if you can build this monster. I never really
questioned on if I had the skills, more if I had the patience to hammer
all these rivets. When I learned that Van came out with a model that fit
my mission profile better than anything else out there, you do have a mission
profile you are making your decisions right, my next concern was if I would go
nuts like John J banging away on rivet after rivet. Believe me I never
had a remote urge to build an aluminum aircraft, I was a fast glass man.
So I flew to Denver, took a Sportair RV Assembly class, and did a little skiing.
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You already have the tail kit so you made the tough
choice. Every first timer can see the difference in their skills as
they work through the chapters of the tail kit. My suggestion is to talk
to vendors like Barrett, Stein, and others. They are extremely knowledgeable
and will not point you in the wrong direction to make a buck.
If you are uncomfortable with your skills talk to other builders in your area,
I doubt any one of us would turn down a visit or free help. I cant recommend
the Sportair workshops enough. If nothing else they give you practice
on something other than your kit. And most importantly, do not be
afraid to ask a question. Ive asked a few that I slapped myself on the forehead
over after people responded. As the old saying goes, there are no
dumb questions, just dumb people. Wait, tha
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<P class=MsoNormal>Hello builders,<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Now where can one get all the extra $$$$ for this wonderful
airplane? I know I would like some mods too.. a cold air sump, Holy Cowl...wondering
how much a Barett engine would cost with just the cold air induction system
added..and finally hoping that my wife and I will be able to build this.
It almost seems like one needs apriori knowlege..but at least we will break the
project down into small parts..to be completed individually. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>A worthwhile challenge for sure...and a much better performer
than our Grumman Tiger we sold 4 year ago.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Rudder Trim |
Dsyvert(at)aol.com wrote:
> By copying the photos of Vic's plane I measured the hinge in Excel and came
up with what I think the dimensions are. My measurements are 1.5" wide by 11"
long. The hinge knuckles are 0.5 inches long or 1" of the pitch. The full open
width is 1.5" I am installing the electric trim on my rudder, but have not
closed it out yet. I have the same question as to the length. I am considering
making it just a little longer, maybe ~16" so I'd have more movement of the
ball to achieve more like 1 ball width. Nothing really scientific.
>
> Dave Syvertson
> Empennage
> 40625
>
Dave,
My phone has Vic's phone number memorized. He is a great guy and very willing
to help.
The servo is a T2-7A. The Aircraft Spruce # is 11-11505 for the 'System'
The hinge is the 1.5" open (AS # Ms20257P4) and is 11" long.
The distance from the aft hinge surface to the center of the push rod hole is .5".
I built mine to Vic's specs. I hope to have pictures posted on my site in about
2 weeks when I have the tail feathers finished.
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Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N410GB reserved)
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90306#90306
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| Subject: | Electric Rudder Trim (pictures) |
Pictures of rudder trim tab
Eric Parlow
40014
N104EP
Fiberglass
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| Subject: | Re: happy with Van's rant |
It's a need.
Dave Leikam
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:06 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: happy with Van's rant
>
>> Hobby! Hobby! This is no d&^%^ Hobby! This is life. This is
passion.
>> This is what I live for, what I work for, what I gave up xes for!
Hobby?
>> You nuts?
>>
>> Ok, I'm ok. I'm calming down. I'll go to the hanger tonight and
hook
>> myself up to the rivet gun. Get another fix.
>
> John, you've hit on one of my conundrums. My wife calls my involvement
with
> RVs a "hobby" but that has always seemed an inadequate description
that to
> me trivializes it a bit -- as we all know it is much more than that.
> Passion? Sure. Lifestyle? That too. In the end I have yet to come up
with a
> word that I think adequately describes this avocation we are all so
into.
> Anyone have a better way to describe it?
>
> RV-10 list lurker,
> Randy Lervold
> www.rv-3.com
> www.rv-8.com
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Electric Rudder Trim |
This is my version of the electric rudder trim tab. I extended a shaft into
the lower fiberglass cover and mounted a pwm servo. No external pushrods!
The control will be a simple potentiometer. A small knob on the dash.
http://www.iflyrv10.com/iflyrv10/Cool_mods_and_ideas/IMAG004A.JPG
steve
40205
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