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1. 03:20 AM - Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? (Patrick Pulis)
2. 04:52 AM - Re: Door fit - curvature change question (Rob Kermanj)
3. 04:55 AM - Re: Washer installation tool (Rob Kermanj)
4. 06:02 AM - Re: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? (Jesse Saint)
5. 06:45 AM - Re: My panel (Marcus Cooper)
6. 07:07 AM - Web Site Update - Long Overdue (Larry Rosen)
7. 07:44 AM - Re: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? (linn Walters)
8. 08:12 AM - Re: Washer installation tool (jdalton77@comcast.net)
9. 09:38 AM - Re: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? (Jesse Saint)
10. 10:06 AM - Firewall Forward parts list ()
11. 10:41 AM - Re: Firewall Forward parts list (Byron Gillespie)
12. 11:30 AM - Re: Re: Firewall Forward parts list ()
13. 12:02 PM - How does this tank test kit work? (Michael Wellenzohn)
14. 01:21 PM - Re: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? or 'to antisieze .....' (linn Walters)
15. 03:34 PM - Re: Firewall Forward parts list (Deems Davis)
16. 03:54 PM - Re: How does this tank test kit work? (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
17. 04:07 PM - Re: Re: Firewall Forward parts list ()
18. 04:44 PM - RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Tim Olson)
19. 05:21 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Rob Kermanj)
20. 05:27 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (David Maib)
21. 05:32 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
22. 05:52 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. ()
23. 06:07 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (EFDsteve@aol.com)
24. 06:15 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (linn Walters)
25. 06:23 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Tim Olson)
26. 06:37 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Tim Olson)
27. 06:45 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (John Dunne)
28. 07:30 PM - Re: How does this tank test kit work? (DejaVu)
29. 07:33 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Dave Leikam)
30. 07:39 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (orchidman)
31. 08:10 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Rene)
32. 08:29 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Pierre Levy)
33. 08:56 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (cloudvalley@comcast.net)
34. 09:03 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Roger Standley)
35. 09:29 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Chris Johnston)
36. 09:57 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Tim Olson)
37. 10:10 PM - Cabin Doors (John Dunne)
38. 10:10 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Tim Olson)
39. 11:44 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Chris, Susie & Darcy)
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| Subject: | Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? |
I'm in the process of installing the nut plates onto my spar and am
seeking other builders thoughts re priming of the nut plates once
installed to inhibit the likelihood of future corrosion.
I am using Duralac on each nut plate prior to riveting to inhibit
corrosion due to dissimilar metal contact and I have primed the
countersinks in the spar flange prior to installing the nut plates.
Should I also prime the nut plates themselves once installed on the
underside of the spar flanges?
Your thoughts, experiences and suggestions would be very much
appreciated please.
Regards
Patrick Pulis
#40299
Adelaide, South Australia
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| Subject: | Re: Door fit - curvature change question |
Fooling with other parts of the door is inviting problems with the
door operation later. I colecoed my door to the fuselage and glued
the window.
I think that you have two options, fair the 1/4" even with fuselage
if possible, or if it is bad enough redo the window. Fix it, as you
will be sorry to face the mismatch every time you fly.
Rob.
On Jan 27, 2007, at 12:55 PM, Phil White wrote:
>
> All
> I have built and hung the first door. When it was a shell
> without the window, it fit quite well. I glued in the window off
> the plane, and now find that there is more of a curve to the door,
> leading to it being 1/4" proud in the vertical center of the window
> (both front & rear).
>
> Has anyone else experienced this?
>
> Does anyone have suggestions as to how to achieve a better fit
> now? Would a shim between the hinges and the door, combined with
> lowering the latch holes in the door frame to stretch the door
> work, do you think?
>
> Phil #40220 (windows + doors in IL)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Washer installation tool |
Another easy way also is to use a masking tape to hold the washer in
place and pull the tape out once the washer is in place and the bolt
is inserted.
On Jan 27, 2007, at 10:59 PM, Larry Rosen wrote:
>
> I was given this suggestion, but have not used it my self.
> Super glue the edge of the washer to a wire. Use the wire to hold
> the washer in place. Insert the bolt and then pull the wire off
> the washer.
>
> YMMV
> Larry
>
> dmaib@mac.com wrote:
>>
>> I know I have seen some photo's of a tool made out of a popsicle
>> stick or tongue depresser that is made to help get washers
>> installed on bolts for rod end installations and such. I cannot
>> locate anything using the search feature. Anybody help with this?
>>
>> --------
>> David Maib
>> RV-10 #40559
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90930#90930
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| Subject: | Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? |
We prime all nutplates, either with the same primer as we use for the skins
or with Zinc Chromate. I doubt much of that paint would be left after
running the screw in, but what do I know? We haven't been using anything on
the threads of the screws, but would be interested in others' suggestions on
this. We use Lithium Grease on all bolt shafts, but make sure not to get
any on the threads.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:16 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime?
<patrick.pulis@seagas.com.au>
I'm in the process of installing the nut plates onto my spar and am
seeking other builders thoughts re priming of the nut plates once
installed to inhibit the likelihood of future corrosion.
I am using Duralac on each nut plate prior to riveting to inhibit
corrosion due to dissimilar metal contact and I have primed the
countersinks in the spar flange prior to installing the nut plates.
Should I also prime the nut plates themselves once installed on the
underside of the spar flanges?
Your thoughts, experiences and suggestions would be very much
appreciated please.
Regards
Patrick Pulis
#40299
Adelaide, South Australia
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FWIW, I think the 'diving mask' is actually for use in case of smoke.
United started using something similar awhile back as it was determined the
contents of the smoke could significantly reduce your lifespan in addition
to the benefits of being able to see better.
Marcus
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: My panel
The diving mask is in case of a water landing, remember we were flying over
Honolulu. ;-) (Actually I did not notice it and don't know why it was
there.)
Dave
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: My panel
>
> Dave do you guys plan on flying with out the windscreen, what the hell are
> those diving masks doing hanging around in the cockpit.
>
> Either that, you you guys do some pretty silly stuff all alone up front on
> those long flights.
>
> If you need some help I can make a referal.
>
> John G.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>>From: "Dave Leikam" <DAVELEIKAM@wi.rr.com>
>>To: "matronics" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RV10-List: My panel
>>Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:02:48 -0600
>>
>>Thought I'd post a picture of me sitting in front of my new panel. ;-)
>>(Actually this is compliments of the 128th sim at MKE. I landed it twice
>>in Hawaii and did a full power on stall loaded very lite. What a ride!)
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>do not archive
>
>
>><< KC-135007.jpg >>
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| Subject: | Web Site Update - Long Overdue |
I just updated my RV-10 website which is long overdue. My previous post
was photos from 2006 Sun-N-Fun. Enjoy.
<http://lrosen.nerv10.com>
In my browser I need to "refresh" the page to get the new content. Not
sure if this is just my browser or a tag that needs to be changed.
do not archive
--
Larry Rosen
RV-10 #356
http://lrosen.nerv10.com
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| Subject: | Re: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? |
I use anti-sieze on my screws and really don't worry about getting it on
the larger bolt threads either. I guess Jesse, being a purist, is
worried about the changes in assembly torque on bolts with lubricated
threads. I'm not. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be aware of the
changes (or possible consequences) and follow my lead. It's just the
way I've done it, and yes, sooner or later I may get 'caught' by my
blasphemous assembly. I rather feel I'll croak from natural causes
first. Oh, BTW, the reason I use antisieze is because I'm not fond of
having to drill out a few screws once a year!
Linn .......
do not archive
Jesse Saint wrote:
>
>We prime all nutplates, either with the same primer as we use for the skins
>or with Zinc Chromate. I doubt much of that paint would be left after
>running the screw in, but what do I know? We haven't been using anything on
>the threads of the screws, but would be interested in others' suggestions on
>this. We use Lithium Grease on all bolt shafts, but make sure not to get
>any on the threads.
>
>Do not archive.
>
>Jesse Saint
>Saint Aviation, Inc.
>jesse@saintaviation.com
>www.saintaviation.com
>Cell: 352-427-0285
>Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis
>Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:16 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime?
>
><patrick.pulis@seagas.com.au>
>
>I'm in the process of installing the nut plates onto my spar and am
>seeking other builders thoughts re priming of the nut plates once
>installed to inhibit the likelihood of future corrosion.
>
>I am using Duralac on each nut plate prior to riveting to inhibit
>corrosion due to dissimilar metal contact and I have primed the
>countersinks in the spar flange prior to installing the nut plates.
>Should I also prime the nut plates themselves once installed on the
>underside of the spar flanges?
>
>Your thoughts, experiences and suggestions would be very much
>appreciated please.
>
>
>Regards
>
>Patrick Pulis
>#40299
>Adelaide, South Australia
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Washer installation tool |
I've been using these funny needlenose pliers I ran across - the end are curved
down sharply enabling me to fit them into funny angles. Works for both washers
and nuts.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com>
>
> Another easy way also is to use a masking tape to hold the washer in
> place and pull the tape out once the washer is in place and the bolt
> is inserted.
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2007, at 10:59 PM, Larry Rosen wrote:
>
> >
> > I was given this suggestion, but have not used it my self.
> > Super glue the edge of the washer to a wire. Use the wire to hold
> > the washer in place. Insert the bolt and then pull the wire off
> > the washer.
> >
> > YMMV
> > Larry
> >
> > dmaib@mac.com wrote:
> >>
> >> I know I have seen some photo's of a tool made out of a popsicle
> >> stick or tongue depresser that is made to help get washers
> >> installed on bolts for rod end installations and such. I cannot
> >> locate anything using the search feature. Anybody help with this?
> >>
> >> --------
> >> David Maib
> >> RV-10 #40559
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90930#90930
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<DIV>I've been using these funny needlenose pliers I ran across - the end are curved
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<flysrv10@gmail.com> <BR><BR>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rob
Kermanj <FLYSRV10@GMAIL.COM><BR>> <BR>> Another easy way also is to use
a masking tape to hold the washer in <BR>> place and pull the tape out once
the washer is in place and the bolt <BR>> is inserted. <BR>> <BR>>
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> <BR>> > I was given this suggestion, but have not used it my
self. <BR>> > Super glue the edge of the washer to a wire. Use the wire
to hold <BR>> > the washer in place. Insert the bolt and then pull the
wire off <BR>> > the washer. <BR>> > <BR>> > YMMV <BR>> >
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| Subject: | Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? |
Anti-sieze, from what I have read, is made to be used on the threads. We
use that or Seal Lube for the threads of the fuel and brake line pipe thread
fittings. I just don't like the idea of lithium grease on the nut for fear
it might limit the effect of the nyloc action. Anti-sieze I would not be
against, and certainly not into a nutplate. I do agree that using ez-outs
or drilling a screw is a pain.
I do think that's the first time I've been called a purist, for whatever
reasons, so couldn't you have left that in the archives?
So, for another question...does the server recognize the previous messages
and remove them from the post online and thus ignore the "do not archive"
post from previous messages?
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime?
I use anti-sieze on my screws and really don't worry about getting it on
the larger bolt threads either. I guess Jesse, being a purist, is
worried about the changes in assembly torque on bolts with lubricated
threads. I'm not. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be aware of the
changes (or possible consequences) and follow my lead. It's just the
way I've done it, and yes, sooner or later I may get 'caught' by my
blasphemous assembly. I rather feel I'll croak from natural causes
first. Oh, BTW, the reason I use antisieze is because I'm not fond of
having to drill out a few screws once a year!
Linn .......
do not archive
Jesse Saint wrote:
>
>We prime all nutplates, either with the same primer as we use for the skins
>or with Zinc Chromate. I doubt much of that paint would be left after
>running the screw in, but what do I know? We haven't been using anything
on
>the threads of the screws, but would be interested in others' suggestions
on
>this. We use Lithium Grease on all bolt shafts, but make sure not to get
>any on the threads.
>
>Do not archive.
>
>Jesse Saint
>Saint Aviation, Inc.
>jesse@saintaviation.com
>www.saintaviation.com
>Cell: 352-427-0285
>Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis
>Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:16 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime?
>
><patrick.pulis@seagas.com.au>
>
>I'm in the process of installing the nut plates onto my spar and am
>seeking other builders thoughts re priming of the nut plates once
>installed to inhibit the likelihood of future corrosion.
>
>I am using Duralac on each nut plate prior to riveting to inhibit
>corrosion due to dissimilar metal contact and I have primed the
>countersinks in the spar flange prior to installing the nut plates.
>Should I also prime the nut plates themselves once installed on the
>underside of the spar flanges?
>
>Your thoughts, experiences and suggestions would be very much
>appreciated please.
>
>
>Regards
>
>Patrick Pulis
>#40299
>Adelaide, South Australia
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Firewall Forward parts list |
Does anyone have the firewall forward parts list from Vans?
Or maybe a pointer to a web page where it is posted?
Thanks Jim Combs
N312F
40192
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| Subject: | Firewall Forward parts list |
Tim has some lists on his main page, It is under Building tips and
options about 3/4 the way down. There are some variations depending on
what some folks want left out.
Hope that helps a bit
Byron
N253RV assigned
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jim@combsfive.com
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 1:06 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Firewall Forward parts list
Does anyone have the firewall forward parts list from Vans?
Or maybe a pointer to a web page where it is posted?
Thanks Jim Combs
N312F
40192
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Forward parts list |
I check Tim's site first, but seemed to have missed it.
The search on his site did not pull it up either. Guess I didn't put in all the
right keywords.
PJ Seipel sent me a copy.
Thanks, to all!
Jim C
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| Subject: | How does this tank test kit work? |
Hello I purchased Vans tank test kit but how should this fuel feed cover is supposed
to work? Am I missing something here?
Regards
Michael
--------
RV-10 builder (wings)
#511
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| Subject: | Re: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? or 'to |
antisieze .....'
Jesse Saint wrote:
>
>Anti-sieze, from what I have read, is made to be used on the threads.
>
Specifically.
> We
>use that or Seal Lube for the threads of the fuel and brake line pipe thread
>fittings. I just don't like the idea of lithium grease on the nut for fear
>it might limit the effect of the nyloc action.
>
Well, it probably does ...... but I'm of the opinion that it's close to
immeasureable.
> Anti-sieze I would not be
>against, and certainly not into a nutplate. I do agree that using ez-outs
>or drilling a screw is a pain.
>
Amen!
>I do think that's the first time I've been called a purist, for whatever
>reasons, so couldn't you have left that in the archives?
>
Well, not knowing you personally ...... I was looking for a description
that wasn't in the 'flame' category. It's hard to flame someone for
being a purist!!! We'll have to get that in the archives in another
thread!!! :-)
>So, for another question...does the server recognize the previous messages
>and remove them from the post online and thus ignore the "do not archive"
>post from previous messages?
>
AFAIK, a 'do not archive' anywhere in the message does the trick. No
stripping occurs, and all those long threads without the 'DNA' ......
have multiple copies of stuff that might trigger a hit in the search
function.
I choose to limit my contributions to the archives since most of my
posts are usually my opinion and I am seldom able pass on any 'RV-10
specific' info. Sometimes we forget what this list is really for! :-P
Linn
>
>Jesse Saint
>Saint Aviation, Inc.
>jesse@saintaviation.com
>www.saintaviation.com
>Cell: 352-427-0285
>Fax: 815-377-3694
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
>Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:47 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime?
>
>
>I use anti-sieze on my screws and really don't worry about getting it on
>the larger bolt threads either. I guess Jesse, being a purist, is
>worried about the changes in assembly torque on bolts with lubricated
>threads. I'm not. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be aware of the
>changes (or possible consequences) and follow my lead. It's just the
>way I've done it, and yes, sooner or later I may get 'caught' by my
>blasphemous assembly. I rather feel I'll croak from natural causes
>first. Oh, BTW, the reason I use antisieze is because I'm not fond of
>having to drill out a few screws once a year!
>Linn .......
>do not archive
>
>Jesse Saint wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>We prime all nutplates, either with the same primer as we use for the skins
>>or with Zinc Chromate. I doubt much of that paint would be left after
>>running the screw in, but what do I know? We haven't been using anything
>>
>>
>on
>
>
>>the threads of the screws, but would be interested in others' suggestions
>>
>>
>on
>
>
>>this. We use Lithium Grease on all bolt shafts, but make sure not to get
>>any on the threads.
>>
>>Do not archive.
>>
>>Jesse Saint
>>Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>jesse@saintaviation.com
>>www.saintaviation.com
>>Cell: 352-427-0285
>>Fax: 815-377-3694
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis
>>Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:16 AM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RV10-List: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime?
>>
>><patrick.pulis@seagas.com.au>
>>
>>I'm in the process of installing the nut plates onto my spar and am
>>seeking other builders thoughts re priming of the nut plates once
>>installed to inhibit the likelihood of future corrosion.
>>
>>I am using Duralac on each nut plate prior to riveting to inhibit
>>corrosion due to dissimilar metal contact and I have primed the
>>countersinks in the spar flange prior to installing the nut plates.
>>Should I also prime the nut plates themselves once installed on the
>>underside of the spar flanges?
>>
>>Your thoughts, experiences and suggestions would be very much
>>appreciated please.
>>
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Patrick Pulis
>>#40299
>>Adelaide, South Australia
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Forward parts list |
Here's 2 versions
!. This is the version straight as it comes from Van's
2. The second version has the part descriptions cut and pasted into it
to help assist. (It also has my deletions to the kit annotated, just
ignore those)
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
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| Subject: | How does this tank test kit work? |
Unfortunately, almost everything in that kit is useless and doesn't
apply to the -10. You will have to improvise most of it.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Limbo
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Wellenzohn
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 2:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: How does this tank test kit work?
<michael@wellenzohn.net>
Hello I purchased Vans tank test kit but how should this fuel feed cover
is supposed to work? Am I missing something here?
Regards
Michael
--------
RV-10 builder (wings)
#511
Read this topic online here:
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Thanks, Jim C
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From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Firewall Forward parts list
Here's 2 versions
!. This is the version straight as it comes from Van's
2. The second version has the part descriptions cut and pasted into it
to help assist. (It also has my deletions to the kit annotated, just
ignore those)
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. |
Good news, everyone...
Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my
drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from
the install posted here:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of_new_extensions
Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and
since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate
a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least
2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people
were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to
make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to
see if pricing will be any lower.
My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and
$24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)
Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions
for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them
now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order
them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's
way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be
a small delay before they start making them.
You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's
stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to
cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit
to paying for them.
What you'll get:
1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so
they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly
replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts,
so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut.
You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that
will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall
off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm
going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3)
MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required
to attach them.
Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16"
and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring
so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and
torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill
out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small
cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins.
Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw.
Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to
make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same
time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the
same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round
any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and
done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than
my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair,
all complete to your door with the hardware.
One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going
to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48
states only so I can use USPS Priority mail.
Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want
them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm
crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and
it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep
the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for
this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably
easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this
because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and
it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your
local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that
we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal
or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because
we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;)
If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that
they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're
just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;)
If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not
proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first.
Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. |
Count me in and thanks for doing this. Nice process and organization.
Rob.
On Jan 28, 2007, at 7:41 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Good news, everyone...
>
> Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my
> drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from
> the install posted here:
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/
> index.html#Installation_of_new_extensions
>
> Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and
> since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate
> a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least
> 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other
> people
> were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to
> make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to
> see if pricing will be any lower.
>
> My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and
> $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)
>
> Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions
> for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them
> now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order
> them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's
> way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be
> a small delay before they start making them.
> You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's
> stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to
> cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit
> to paying for them.
>
> What you'll get:
> 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so
> they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly
> replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts,
> so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut.
> You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that
> will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall
> off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm
> going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3)
> MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required
> to attach them.
>
> Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16"
> and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring
> so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and
> torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill
> out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small
> cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins.
> Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw.
>
> Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to
> make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same
> time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the
> same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round
> any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and
> done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than
> my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair,
> all complete to your door with the hardware.
>
> One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going
> to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48
> states only so I can use USPS Priority mail.
>
> Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want
> them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm
> crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and
> it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep
> the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for
> this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably
> easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this
> because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and
> it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your
> local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that
> we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal
> or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because
> we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;)
> If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that
> they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're
> just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;)
>
> If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not
> proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first.
>
> Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. |
Tim,
I will take a set. Thank you so much for all you do for this group of
builders. Fantastic!
David Maib
#40559
struggling with elevator trim (grrrrrr)
On Jan 28, 2007, at 6:41 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
Good news, everyone...
Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my
drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from
the install posted here:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/
index.html#Installation_of_new_extensions
Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and
since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate
a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least
2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people
were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to
make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to
see if pricing will be any lower.
My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and
$24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)
Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions
for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them
now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order
them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's
way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be
a small delay before they start making them.
You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's
stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to
cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit
to paying for them.
What you'll get:
1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so
they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly
replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts,
so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut.
You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that
will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall
off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm
going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3)
MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required
to attach them.
Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16"
and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring
so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and
torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill
out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small
cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins.
Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw.
Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to
make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same
time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the
same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round
any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and
done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than
my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair,
all complete to your door with the hardware.
One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going
to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48
states only so I can use USPS Priority mail.
Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want
them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm
crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and
it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep
the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for
this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably
easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this
because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and
it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your
local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that
we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal
or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because
we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;)
If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that
they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're
just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;)
If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not
proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first.
Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. |
Tim, throw me on the list.
I would also like to add my services to this very nice offer. For our
brethren in OZ and NZ that may want to jump in on this, I will be
willing to act as a proxy for you on two conditions. First you have
been present and active on the list so I recognize you, and second I
reserve the right to limit the number of people I proxy this to.
This is only for Australia and New Zealand. If someone else wants to
handle the UK or another part of the world more power to them. Oceania
is enough for me. :-) So if you are in one of those two locations and
want a set let me know and I will ask Tim to add them to my order. You
will pay whatever I pay + the cost of shipping to your part of the world
and you can pay me via paypal also.
Of course this is assuming Tim doesn't have a problem with it.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Limbo
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:41 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by
Wednesday p.m.
Good news, everyone...
Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my
drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from
the install posted here:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_o
f_new_extensions
Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and
since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate
a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least
2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people
were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to
make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to
see if pricing will be any lower.
My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and
$24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)
Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions
for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them
now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order
them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's
way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be
a small delay before they start making them.
You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's
stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to
cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit
to paying for them.
What you'll get:
1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so
they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly
replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts,
so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut.
You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that
will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall
off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm
going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3)
MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required
to attach them.
Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16"
and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring
so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and
torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill
out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small
cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins.
Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw.
Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to
make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same
time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the
same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round
any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and
done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than
my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair,
all complete to your door with the hardware.
One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going
to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48
states only so I can use USPS Priority mail.
Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want
them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm
crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and
it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep
the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for
this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably
easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this
because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and
it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your
local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that
we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal
or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because
we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;)
If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that
they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're
just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;)
If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not
proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first.
Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. |
Tim:
I'll take a pair
Steve Mills
RV-10 40486 Slow-build
Naperville, Illinois
finishing fuselage
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David Maib
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by
Wednesday p.m.
Tim,
I will take a set. Thank you so much for all you do for this group of
builders. Fantastic!
David Maib
#40559
struggling with elevator trim (grrrrrr)
On Jan 28, 2007, at 6:41 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
Good news, everyone...
Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my
drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from
the install posted here:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/
index.html#Installation_of_new_extensions
Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and
since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate
a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least
2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people
were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to
make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to
see if pricing will be any lower.
My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and
$24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)
Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions
for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them
now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order
them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's
way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be
a small delay before they start making them.
You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's
stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to
cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit
to paying for them.
What you'll get:
1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so
they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly
replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts,
so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut.
You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that
will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall
off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm
going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3)
MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required
to attach them.
Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16"
and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring
so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and
torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill
out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small
cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins.
Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw.
Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to
make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same
time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the
same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round
any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and
done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than
my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair,
all complete to your door with the hardware.
One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going
to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48
states only so I can use USPS Priority mail.
Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want
them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm
crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and
it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep
the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for
this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably
easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this
because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and
it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your
local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that
we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal
or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because
we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;)
If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that
they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're
just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;)
If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not
proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first.
Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Thanks, Tim.
Please add me to the list for a pair of axle extensions.
Steve Weinstock
40230
In a message dated 1/28/2007 6:46:49 P.M. Central Standard Time,
Tim@MyRV10.com writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Good news, everyone...
Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my
drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from
the install posted here:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of_new_
extensions
Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and
since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate
a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least
2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people
were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to
make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to
see if pricing will be any lower.
My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and
$24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)
Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions
for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them
now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order
them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's
way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be
a small delay before they start making them.
You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's
stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to
cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit
to paying for them.
What you'll get:
1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so
they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly
replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts,
so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut.
You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that
will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall
off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm
going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3)
MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required
to attach them.
Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16"
and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring
so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and
torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill
out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small
cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins.
Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw.
Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to
make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same
time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the
same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round
any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and
done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than
my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair,
all complete to your door with the hardware.
One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going
to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48
states only so I can use USPS Priority mail.
Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want
them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm
crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and
it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep
the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for
this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably
easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this
because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and
it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your
local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that
we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal
or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because
we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;)
If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that
they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're
just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;)
If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not
proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first.
Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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p.m.
Tim, put me on the list for a pair. Lemme know what I ow ya. I think
regular usps parcel would be a whole lot cheaper than priority.
Also, I don't see the reason not to make it 1 1/4" all the way out .....
except for some weight savings. Less machining means lower cost. Just
thinking out loud!!!
Linn Walters
do not archive
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Good news, everyone...
>
> Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my
> drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from
> the install posted here:
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of_new_extensions
>
>
> Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and
> since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate
> a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least
> 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people
> were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to
> make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to
> see if pricing will be any lower.
>
> My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and
> $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)
>
> Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions
> for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them
> now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order
> them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's
> way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be
> a small delay before they start making them.
> You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's
> stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to
> cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit
> to paying for them.
>
> What you'll get:
> 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so
> they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly
> replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts,
> so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut.
> You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that
> will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall
> off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm
> going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3)
> MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required
> to attach them.
>
> Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16"
> and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring
> so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and
> torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill
> out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small
> cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins.
> Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw.
>
> Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to
> make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same
> time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the
> same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round
> any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and
> done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than
> my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair,
> all complete to your door with the hardware.
>
> One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going
> to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48
> states only so I can use USPS Priority mail.
>
> Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want
> them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm
> crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and
> it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep
> the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for
> this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably
> easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this
> because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and
> it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your
> local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that
> we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal
> or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because
> we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;)
> If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that
> they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're
> just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;)
>
> If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not
> proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first.
>
> Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list.
>
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p.m.
Works for me Michael, if someone from OZ or NZ wants them, we'll
make it happen between Michael and I. And if anyone wants to
help with the UK, that's great too. Dont' want to exclude any
of the great people....just didn't need a lot of extra headache,
but this isn't too bad. The list already is well long enough
that we'll be doing it...so it's gonna be happening for sure
unless something goes screwy when I give the order to the
machinist.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> Tim, throw me on the list.
>
> I would also like to add my services to this very nice offer. For our
> brethren in OZ and NZ that may want to jump in on this, I will be
> willing to act as a proxy for you on two conditions. First you have
> been present and active on the list so I recognize you, and second I
> reserve the right to limit the number of people I proxy this to.
>
> This is only for Australia and New Zealand. If someone else wants to
> handle the UK or another part of the world more power to them. Oceania
> is enough for me. :-) So if you are in one of those two locations and
> want a set let me know and I will ask Tim to add them to my order. You
> will pay whatever I pay + the cost of shipping to your part of the world
> and you can pay me via paypal also.
>
> Of course this is assuming Tim doesn't have a problem with it.
>
> Michael Sausen
> -10 #352 Limbo
> Do not archive
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p.m.
Well, we're over 20 now (25 officially so far), so this thing looks
like it's gonna happen and be at least as good as we expected.
Price goes down with quantity, so this is great.
Mike Sausen has volunteered to help some overseas people, and
I had a request from Canada. What I can do worst case is to
ship one package to canada and let you re-ship them within
canada to the rest. May as well help as many people as we can.
Also, for those who've sent me emails saying they want them,
sometime within the next week shoot me an off-list email with
your Name, address, phone, and email so that I can not only
ship them, but can get a hold of you when it's time.
Tim
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Good news, everyone...
>
> Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my
> drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from
> the install posted here:
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of_new_extensions
>
>
> Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and
> since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate
> a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least
> 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people
> were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to
> make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to
> see if pricing will be any lower.
>
> My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and
> $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)
>
> Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions
> for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them
> now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order
> them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's
> way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be
> a small delay before they start making them.
> You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's
> stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to
> cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit
> to paying for them.
>
> What you'll get:
> 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so
> they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly
> replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts,
> so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut.
> You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that
> will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall
> off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm
> going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3)
> MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required
> to attach them.
>
> Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16"
> and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring
> so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and
> torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill
> out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small
> cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins.
> Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw.
>
> Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to
> make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same
> time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the
> same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round
> any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and
> done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than
> my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair,
> all complete to your door with the hardware.
>
> One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going
> to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48
> states only so I can use USPS Priority mail.
>
> Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want
> them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm
> crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and
> it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep
> the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for
> this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably
> easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this
> because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and
> it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your
> local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that
> we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal
> or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because
> we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;)
> If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that
> they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're
> just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;)
>
> If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not
> proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first.
>
> Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list.
>
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Michael and Tim,
I would like a set and thanks for your kind offer.
Please advise me offlist and I can arrange funds transfer to you.
John 40315
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Monday, 29 January 2007 11:32 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by
Wednesday p.m.
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Tim, throw me on the list.
I would also like to add my services to this very nice offer. For our
brethren in OZ and NZ that may want to jump in on this, I will be
willing to act as a proxy for you on two conditions. First you have
been present and active on the list so I recognize you, and second I
reserve the right to limit the number of people I proxy this to.
This is only for Australia and New Zealand. If someone else wants to
handle the UK or another part of the world more power to them. Oceania
is enough for me. :-) So if you are in one of those two locations and
want a set let me know and I will ask Tim to add them to my order. You
will pay whatever I pay + the cost of shipping to your part of the world
and you can pay me via paypal also.
Of course this is assuming Tim doesn't have a problem with it.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Limbo
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:41 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by
Wednesday p.m.
Good news, everyone...
Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my
drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from
the install posted here:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_o
f_new_extensions
Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and
since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate
a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least
2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people
were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to
make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to
see if pricing will be any lower.
My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and
$24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)
Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions
for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them
now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order
them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's
way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be
a small delay before they start making them.
You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's
stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to
cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit
to paying for them.
What you'll get:
1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so
they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly
replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts,
so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut.
You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that
will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall
off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm
going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3)
MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required
to attach them.
Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16"
and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring
so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and
torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill
out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small
cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins.
Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw.
Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to
make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same
time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the
same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round
any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and
done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than
my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair,
all complete to your door with the hardware.
One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going
to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48
states only so I can use USPS Priority mail.
Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want
them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm
crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and
it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep
the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for
this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably
easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this
because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and
it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your
local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that
we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal
or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because
we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;)
If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that
they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're
just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;)
If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not
proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first.
Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Michael,
I tested mine using Dan Checkoway's method, described here:
http://www.rvproject.com/20020710.html . It is quite sensitive to
atmospheric changes but should give a good feel.
Anh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <michael@wellenzohn.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 3:01 PM
Subject: RV10-List: How does this tank test kit work?
>
>
> <michael@wellenzohn.net>
>
> Hello I purchased Vans tank test kit but how should this fuel feed cover
> is supposed to work? Am I missing something here?
>
> Regards
> Michael
>
> --------
> RV-10 builder (wings)
> #511
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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>
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Send me a pair if you have a slot left.
Dave Leikam
40496
S79 W16389 Woods Rd
Muskego, WI 53150
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:41 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday
p.m.
>
> Good news, everyone...
>
> Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my
> drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from
> the install posted here:
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of_new_extensions
>
> Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and
> since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate
> a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least
> 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people
> were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to
> make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to
> see if pricing will be any lower.
>
> My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and
> $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)
>
> Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions
> for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them
> now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order
> them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's
> way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be
> a small delay before they start making them.
> You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's
> stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to
> cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit
> to paying for them.
>
> What you'll get:
> 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so
> they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly
> replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts,
> so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut.
> You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that
> will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall
> off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm
> going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3)
> MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required
> to attach them.
>
> Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16"
> and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring
> so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and
> torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill
> out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small
> cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins.
> Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw.
>
> Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to
> make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same
> time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the
> same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round
> any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and
> done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than
> my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair,
> all complete to your door with the hardware.
>
> One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going
> to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48
> states only so I can use USPS Priority mail.
>
> Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want
> them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm
> crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and
> it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep
> the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for
> this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably
> easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this
> because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and
> it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your
> local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that
> we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal
> or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because
> we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;)
> If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that
> they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're
> just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;)
>
> If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not
> proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first.
>
> Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>
>
>
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Tim,
Please add me to the list. In no hurry. Wings should arrive in about 10 days.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N410GB reserved)
do not archive
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Tim, add me to the list. Thanks for doing it.
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:41 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday
p.m.
Good news, everyone...
Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my
drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from
the install posted here:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of_ne
w_extensions
Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and
since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate
a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least
2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people
were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to
make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to
see if pricing will be any lower.
My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and
$24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)
Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions
for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them
now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order
them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's
way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be
a small delay before they start making them.
You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's
stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to
cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit
to paying for them.
What you'll get:
1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so
they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly
replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts,
so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut.
You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that
will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall
off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm
going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3)
MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required
to attach them.
Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16"
and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring
so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and
torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill
out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small
cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins.
Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw.
Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to
make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same
time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the
same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round
any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and
done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than
my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair,
all complete to your door with the hardware.
One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going
to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48
states only so I can use USPS Priority mail.
Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want
them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm
crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and
it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep
the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for
this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably
easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this
because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and
it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your
local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that
we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal
or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because
we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;)
If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that
they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're
just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;)
If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not
proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first.
Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Tim: I will take a set.
Pierre
Pierre Levy
Builder Number 40690
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:41 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by
Wednesday p.m.
Good news, everyone...
Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my
drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from the
install posted here:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_o
f_new_extensions
Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and since
some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate a group
order for extensions that look like these. I had at least
2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people
were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to
make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to
see if pricing will be any lower.
My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and
$24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)
Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions
for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them
now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order them
from the machining company and get the hardware on it's way to me. They
need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be a small delay before
they start making them.
You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's stupid,
but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to cover the
production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit to paying for
them.
What you'll get:
1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so they
don't require the large flat washer. They should directly replace the
original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts, so you have one as a
spare, for bolting them to the axle nut.
You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that will be
1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall off as easily
(mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm going to send you (3)
MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3)
MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required to
attach them.
Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16"
and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring so
much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and
torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill out the
hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small cotter pins,
install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins.
Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw.
Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to make it
easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same time, and I'll
throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the same time. I'll split the
costs of everything evenly, and round any costs up to the next highest
dollar. When all is said and done, I'll tell you if the total with
shipping is any higher than my expectations...which would be between $45
and $55 per pair, all complete to your door with the hardware.
One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going to
make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48 states only
so I can use USPS Priority mail.
Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want
them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm crazy
enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and it might
be harder to get a good list of people together to keep the price down.
If for some reason we can't get 10 people for this order, I won't
bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably easily make the 20
pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this because after
installing them I know they worked well for me, and it'll keep you all
from spending a fortune on one-offs from your local machinist. In the
spirit of "no up front money" that we have today, you can send your
payment either via paypal or by check after you get them. I know
everyone will pay up, because we're all nice people and if you don't,
I'll tell the list on you. ;) If you pay by paypal though, add a little
to cover the fees that they charge. Tips are not required, but will be
accepted if you're just so happy after getting them that you really want
to. ;)
If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not
proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first.
Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Hello Tim,
Put us on the list too for those extensions!
Brian and Ruth Preston
#40666
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Well, we're over 20 now (25 officially so far), so this thing looks
> like it's gonna happen and be at least as good as we expected.
> Price goes down with quantity, so this is great.
>
> Mike Sausen has volunteered to help some overseas people, and
> I had a request from Canada. What I can do worst case is to
> ship one package to canada and let you re-ship them within
> canada to the rest. May as well help as many people as we can.
>
> Also, for those who've sent me emails saying they want them,
> sometime within the next week shoot me an off-list email with
> your Name, address, phone, and email so that I can not only
> ship them, but can get a hold of you when it's time.
>
> Tim
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
> >
> > Good news, everyone...
> >
> > Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my
> > drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from
> > the install posted here:
> >
> >
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of_new_ex
> tensions
> >
> >
> > Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and
> > since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate
> > a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least
> > 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people
> > were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to
> > make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to
> > see if pricing will be any lower.
> >
> > My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and
> > $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)
> >
> > Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions
> > for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them
> > now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order
> > them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's
> > way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be
> > a small delay before they start making them.
> > You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's
> > stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to
> > cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit
> > to paying for them.
> >
> > What you'll get:
> > 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so
> > they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly
> > replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts,
> > so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut.
> > You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that
> > will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall
> > off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm
> > going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3)
> > MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required
> > to attach them.
> >
> > Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16"
> > and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring
> > so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and
> > torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill
> > out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small
> > cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins.
> > Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw.
> >
> > Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to
> > make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same
> > time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the
> > same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round
> > any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and
> > done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than
> > my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair,
> > all complete to your door with the hardware.
> >
> > One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going
> > to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48
> > states only so I can use USPS Priority mail.
> >
> > Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want
> > them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm
> > crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and
> > it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep
> > the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for
> > this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably
> > easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this
> > because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and
> > it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your
> > local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that
> > we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal
> > or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because
> > we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;)
> > If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that
> > they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're
> > just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;)
> >
> > If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not
> > proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first.
> >
> > Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list.
> >
>
>
>
>
<html><body>
<DIV>Hello Tim,</DIV>
<DIV>Put us on the list too for those extensions!</DIV>
<DIV>Brian and Ruth Preston</DIV>
<DIV>#40666</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
<BR><BR>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
<TIM@MYRV10.COM><BR>> <BR>> Well, we're over 20 now (25 officially so
far), so this thing looks <BR>> like it's gonna happen and be at least as good
as we expected. <BR>> Price goes down with quantity, so this is great.
<BR>> <BR>> Mike Sausen has volunteered to help some overseas people, and
<BR>> I had a request from Canada. What I can do worst case is to <BR>>
ship one package to canada and let you re-ship them within <BR>> canada to
the rest. May as well help as many people as we can. <BR>> <BR>> Also,
for those who've sent me emails saying they want them, <BR>> sometime within
the next week shoot me an off-list email with <BR>> your Name, address,
phone, and email so that I can not only <BR>> ship
them,
but can get a hold of you when it's time. <BR>> <BR>> Tim <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying <BR>> do not archive <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Tim Olson wrote: <BR>> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <TIM@MYRV10.COM><BR>> > <BR>> > Good news, everyone... <BR>> > <BR>> > Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my <BR>> > drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from <BR>> > the install posted here: <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of_new_ex <BR>> tensions <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and <BR>> > since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate <BR>> > a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least <BR>> > 2 quotes come back with costs significa
ntly l
ower than what other people <BR>> > were saying. My earlier drawing might
actually be more expensive to <BR>> > make than the final product drawing
too. I'll have to re-quote it to <BR>> > see if pricing will be any lower.
<BR>> > <BR>> > My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea
@ quantity 40 and <BR>> > $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs
respectively) <BR>> > <BR>> > Now, what I'm going to do it this:
If you want these extensions <BR>> > for your plane, I'm only planning
to have one run made up, so get them <BR>> > now. Let me know by Wednesday
night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order <BR>> > them from the machining
company and get the hardware on it's <BR>> > way to me. They need to get
the aluminum stock, so there will be <BR>> > a small delay before they
start making them. <BR>> > You do not need to send payment right away...Yes,
I know, that's <BR>> > stupid, but I'm pla
nning
to write a check for well over $1000 to <BR>> > cover the production, but
only if the buyers are willing to commit <BR>> > to paying for them. <BR>>
> <BR>> > What you'll get: <BR>> > 1 PAIR of Axle entensions,
all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so <BR>> > they don't require
the large flat washer. They should directly <BR>> > replace the original
part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts, <BR>> > so you have one as a spare,
for bolting them to the axle nut. <BR>> > You'll also get (3) MS24693C298
screws for the outer ends, that <BR>> > will be 1/4" longer than
original so they don't back out and fall <BR>> > off as easily (mine almost
came out...use loctite!) And, I'm <BR>> > going to send you (3) MS24665-292
cotter pins, and (3) <BR>> > MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have
all of the hardware required <BR>> > to attach them. <BR>> > <BR>>
> Your job: Drill your existing holes on the
axle
nuts out to 5/16" <BR>> > and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss
all the deburring <BR>> > so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer
to the extension and <BR>> > torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the
guide hole and drill <BR>> > out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them
together with the small <BR>> > cotter pins, install the axle nuts and
pin with the large pins. <BR>> > Then secure the fairing with the 1/4"
stainless machine screw. <BR>> > <BR>> > Since this is something I'm
not doing for profit, I'm going to <BR>> > make it easy on myself. They'll
all be picked up at the same <BR>> > time, and I'll throw them all
into USPS Priority mail at the <BR>> > same time. I'll split the costs
of everything evenly, and round <BR>> > any costs up to the next highest
dollar. When all is said and <BR>> > done, I'll tell you if the total with
shipping is any higher than <BR>> > my expe
ctatio
ns...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair, <BR>> > all complete to
your door with the hardware. <BR>> > <BR>> > One exception: Since
this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going <BR>> > to make it easy on
myself and limit it to the US continental 48 <BR>> > states only so I can
use USPS Priority mail. <BR>> > <BR>> > Again, I'll only be doing
this group order one time, so if you want <BR>> > them, now's the time.
After this order, if for some reason I'm <BR>> > crazy enough to do it
again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and <BR>> > it might be harder
to get a good list of people together to keep <BR>> > the price down.
If for some reason we can't get 10 people for <BR>> > this order, I won't
bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably <BR>> > easily make
the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this <BR>> > because
after installing them I know they worked well for me
, and
gt; _-
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=0AHi Tim,=0A=0AI will take a set.=0A=0ARoger=0A#402
91=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: Tim Olson<mailto:
Tim@MyRV10.com> =0A To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@m
atronics.com> =0A Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 4:41 PM=0A Su
bject: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesda
Tim@MyRV10.com<mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>=0A=0A Good news, everyon
e...=0A=0A Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend
made from my=0A drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have so
me photos from=0A the install posted here:=0A=0A http://www
myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of_new_ex
tensions<http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Ins
tallation_of_new_extensions>=0A=0A Now that I know they work, I
'm going to do something stupid and=0A since some people found hig
h machining costs, I'm going to coordinate=0A a group order for ex
tensions that look like these. I had at least=0A 2 quotes come ba
ck with costs significantly lower than what other people=0A were s
aying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to=0A
make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to
=0A see if pricing will be any lower.=0A=0A My present quot
e that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and=0A $24.50ea @ qu
antity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)=0A=0A Now, what
I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions=0A for yo
ur plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them=0A
now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order
=0A them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's
=0A way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will
be=0A a small delay before they start making them.=0A You do
not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's=0A stupi
d, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to=0A cov
er the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit=0A
to paying for them.=0A=0A What you'll get:=0A 1 PAIR of Ax
le entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so=0A they don'
t require the large flat washer. They should directly=0A replace
the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts,=0A so you ha
ve one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut.=0A You'll als
o get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that=0A will be 1
/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall=0A off as
easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm=0A going t
o send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3)=0A MS24665-362 cot
ter pins, so you have all of the hardware required=0A to attach th
em.=0A=0A Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts
out to 5/16"=0A and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss
all the deburring=0A so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/wash
er to the extension and=0A torque. Then, use a #40 drill through
the guide hole and drill=0A out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin
them together with the small=0A cotter pins, install the axle nut
s and pin with the large pins.=0A Then secure the fairing with the
1/4" stainless machine screw.=0A=0A Since this is something I'
m not doing for profit, I'm going to=0A make it easy on myself. T
hey'll all be picked up at the same=0A time, and I'll throw them a
ll into USPS Priority mail at the=0A same time. I'll split the co
sts of everything evenly, and round=0A any costs up to the next hi
ghest dollar. When all is said and=0A done, I'll tell you if the
total with shipping is any higher than=0A my expectations...which
would be between $45 and $55 per pair,=0A all complete to your doo
r with the hardware.=0A=0A One exception: Since this isn't for
-profit in any way, I'm going=0A to make it easy on myself and lim
it it to the US continental 48=0A states only so I can use USPS Pr
iority mail.=0A=0A Again, I'll only be doing this group order o
ne time, so if you want=0A them, now's the time. After this order
, if for some reason I'm=0A crazy enough to do it again, I'd add o
n extra cost for the time, and=0A it might be harder to get a good
list of people together to keep=0A the price down. If for some r
eason we can't get 10 people for=0A this order, I won't bother, bu
t my gut feeling is that we'll probably=0A easily make the 20 pair
(quantity 40) level. I just want to do this=0A because after ins
talling them I know they worked well for me, and=0A it'll keep you
all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your=0A local machin
ist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that=0A we have today,
you can send your payment either via paypal=0A or by check after y
ou get them. I know everyone will pay up, because=0A we're all ni
ce people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;)=0A If yo
u pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that=0A the
y charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're=0A
just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;)=0A
=0A If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I wi
ll not=0A proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list
first.=0A=0A Email me at my email address if you want to get on
the list.=0A=0A -- =0A Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
=======================
======================0A
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====0A=0A=0A=0A
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I'm in!
cj
#40410
fuse
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson
Sent: Sun 1/28/2007 4:41 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by
Wednesday p.m.
Good news, everyone...
Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my
drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from
the install posted here:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of
_new_extensions
Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and
since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate
a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least
2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people
were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to
make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to
see if pricing will be any lower.
My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and
$24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)
Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions
for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them
now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order
them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's
way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be
a small delay before they start making them.
You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's
stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to
cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit
to paying for them.
What you'll get:
1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so
they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly
replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts,
so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut.
You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that
will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall
off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm
going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3)
MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required
to attach them.
Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16"
and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring
so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and
torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill
out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small
cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins.
Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw.
Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to
make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same
time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the
same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round
any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and
done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than
my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair,
all complete to your door with the hardware.
One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going
to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48
states only so I can use USPS Priority mail.
Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want
them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm
crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and
it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep
the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for
this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably
easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this
because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and
it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your
local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that
we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal
or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because
we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;)
If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that
they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're
just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;)
If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not
proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first.
Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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p.m.
Wonderful, you're #51!
Tim
Roger Standley wrote:
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> I will take a set.
>
> Roger
> #40291
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Tim Olson <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 28, 2007 4:41 PM
> *Subject:* RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by
> Wednesday p.m.
>
> <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
>
> Good news, everyone...
>
> Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my
> drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from
> the install posted here:
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of_new_extensions
>
> Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and
> since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate
> a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least
> 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people
> were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to
> make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to
> see if pricing will be any lower.
>
> My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and
> $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)
>
> Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions
> for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them
> now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order
> them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's
> way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be
> a small delay before they start making them.
> You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's
> stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to
> cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit
> to paying for them.
>
> What you'll get:
> 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so
> they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly
> replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts,
> so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut.
> You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that
> will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall
> off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm
> going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3)
> MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required
> to attach them.
>
> Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16"
> and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring
> so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and
> torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill
> out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small
> cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins.
> Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw.
>
> Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to
> make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same
> time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the
> same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round
> any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and
> done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than
> my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair,
> all complete to your door with the hardware.
>
> One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going
> to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48
> states only so I can use USPS Priority mail.
>
> Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want
> them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm
> crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and
> it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep
> the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for
> this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably
> easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this
> because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and
> it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your
> local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that
> we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal
> or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because
> we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;)
> If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that
> they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're
> just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;)
>
> If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not
> proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first.
>
> Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD -
> ==============================================http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List<=======================nbsp;
> title=http://forums.matronics.com/
> href="http://fo=======================================================
>
>
>
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>
>
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Had a lot of fun over the long weekend and managed about 20 or so hours,
filing, sanding, cutting, shaping and installing the doors and rear windows.
However as I filed, sanded and bevelled the edges down, I started noticing
splits or places where the glue hadn't joined in some spots. Having
installed the inner and outer shells as one unit on the cabin cover during
the gluing process, I did notice some slight distortion to the outer edges
when trying to apply pressure to keep both halves together and in contact
but I can't say I noticed any problems with the mating of the shell halves
on the bench.
As both doors ended up with similar problems, I can only say I didn't get
enough down pressure on the outer shell edges once positioned in the cabin
cover doorway.
Where I could, I re-glued but rather than trying to force the shells
together where they wouldn't stretch easily; I made some thin fibreglass
shims and glued those into any voids.
Worked well and can now be filed down to shape again.
Just something for those yet to do this step, in order to save a bit of time
and grief..
John 40315
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p.m.
Wow, what an overwhelming response! We hit 53 people already
tonight (106 parts) so the machining quote should be
nice and low. It's going to be a busy time packaging and
shipping them though. I saved a few feet of bubblewrap
from something I got this week in the mail, but I think
I'm going to need quite a bit more than that. ;)
Looks like I'll have to start scrounging around work for
the next few days and have them save me all that they can.
Thanks everyone for the kind words. I'll keep the list
open until 8am Thursday a.m. and then I'll call in the
total to be ordered. It's almost a shame to see someone
not building these for a product, with the response
we got. It sure does indicate that perhaps they should
think about doing something better at the factory though,
if this many people want to jump on something better that
quick. But you know how that kind of thing goes over.
Just keep sending your info if you haven't.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
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I will take a set via Michael if that is ok.
Chris 388 Melbourne Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by
Wednesday p.m.
> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> Tim, throw me on the list.
>
> I would also like to add my services to this very nice offer. For our
> brethren in OZ and NZ that may want to jump in on this, I will be
> willing to act as a proxy for you on two conditions. First you have
> been present and active on the list so I recognize you, and second I
> reserve the right to limit the number of people I proxy this to.
>
> This is only for Australia and New Zealand. If someone else wants to
> handle the UK or another part of the world more power to them. Oceania
> is enough for me. :-) So if you are in one of those two locations and
> want a set let me know and I will ask Tim to add them to my order. You
> will pay whatever I pay + the cost of shipping to your part of the world
> and you can pay me via paypal also.
>
> Of course this is assuming Tim doesn't have a problem with it.
>
> Michael Sausen
> -10 #352 Limbo
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:41 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by
> Wednesday p.m.
>
>
> Good news, everyone...
>
> Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my
> drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from
> the install posted here:
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_o
> f_new_extensions
>
> Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and
> since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate
> a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least
> 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people
> were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to
> make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to
> see if pricing will be any lower.
>
> My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and
> $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)
>
> Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions
> for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them
> now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order
> them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's
> way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be
> a small delay before they start making them.
> You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's
> stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to
> cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit
> to paying for them.
>
> What you'll get:
> 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so
> they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly
> replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts,
> so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut.
> You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that
> will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall
> off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm
> going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3)
> MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required
> to attach them.
>
> Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16"
> and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring
> so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and
> torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill
> out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small
> cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins.
> Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw.
>
> Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to
> make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same
> time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the
> same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round
> any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and
> done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than
> my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair,
> all complete to your door with the hardware.
>
> One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going
> to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48
> states only so I can use USPS Priority mail.
>
> Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want
> them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm
> crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and
> it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep
> the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for
> this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably
> easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this
> because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and
> it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your
> local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that
> we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal
> or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because
> we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;)
> If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that
> they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're
> just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;)
>
> If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not
> proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first.
>
> Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>
>
>
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