---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/28/07: 39 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:20 AM - Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? (Patrick Pulis) 2. 04:52 AM - Re: Door fit - curvature change question (Rob Kermanj) 3. 04:55 AM - Re: Washer installation tool (Rob Kermanj) 4. 06:02 AM - Re: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? (Jesse Saint) 5. 06:45 AM - Re: My panel (Marcus Cooper) 6. 07:07 AM - Web Site Update - Long Overdue (Larry Rosen) 7. 07:44 AM - Re: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? (linn Walters) 8. 08:12 AM - Re: Washer installation tool (jdalton77@comcast.net) 9. 09:38 AM - Re: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? (Jesse Saint) 10. 10:06 AM - Firewall Forward parts list () 11. 10:41 AM - Re: Firewall Forward parts list (Byron Gillespie) 12. 11:30 AM - Re: Re: Firewall Forward parts list () 13. 12:02 PM - How does this tank test kit work? (Michael Wellenzohn) 14. 01:21 PM - Re: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? or 'to antisieze .....' (linn Walters) 15. 03:34 PM - Re: Firewall Forward parts list (Deems Davis) 16. 03:54 PM - Re: How does this tank test kit work? (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 17. 04:07 PM - Re: Re: Firewall Forward parts list () 18. 04:44 PM - RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Tim Olson) 19. 05:21 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Rob Kermanj) 20. 05:27 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (David Maib) 21. 05:32 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 22. 05:52 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. () 23. 06:07 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (EFDsteve@aol.com) 24. 06:15 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (linn Walters) 25. 06:23 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Tim Olson) 26. 06:37 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Tim Olson) 27. 06:45 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (John Dunne) 28. 07:30 PM - Re: How does this tank test kit work? (DejaVu) 29. 07:33 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Dave Leikam) 30. 07:39 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (orchidman) 31. 08:10 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Rene) 32. 08:29 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Pierre Levy) 33. 08:56 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (cloudvalley@comcast.net) 34. 09:03 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Roger Standley) 35. 09:29 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Chris Johnston) 36. 09:57 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Tim Olson) 37. 10:10 PM - Cabin Doors (John Dunne) 38. 10:10 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Tim Olson) 39. 11:44 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Chris, Susie & Darcy) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:20:33 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? From: "Patrick Pulis" I'm in the process of installing the nut plates onto my spar and am seeking other builders thoughts re priming of the nut plates once installed to inhibit the likelihood of future corrosion. I am using Duralac on each nut plate prior to riveting to inhibit corrosion due to dissimilar metal contact and I have primed the countersinks in the spar flange prior to installing the nut plates. Should I also prime the nut plates themselves once installed on the underside of the spar flanges? Your thoughts, experiences and suggestions would be very much appreciated please. Regards Patrick Pulis #40299 Adelaide, South Australia ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:59 AM PST US From: Rob Kermanj Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door fit - curvature change question Fooling with other parts of the door is inviting problems with the door operation later. I colecoed my door to the fuselage and glued the window. I think that you have two options, fair the 1/4" even with fuselage if possible, or if it is bad enough redo the window. Fix it, as you will be sorry to face the mismatch every time you fly. Rob. On Jan 27, 2007, at 12:55 PM, Phil White wrote: > > All > I have built and hung the first door. When it was a shell > without the window, it fit quite well. I glued in the window off > the plane, and now find that there is more of a curve to the door, > leading to it being 1/4" proud in the vertical center of the window > (both front & rear). > > Has anyone else experienced this? > > Does anyone have suggestions as to how to achieve a better fit > now? Would a shim between the hinges and the door, combined with > lowering the latch holes in the door frame to stretch the door > work, do you think? > > Phil #40220 (windows + doors in IL) > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:05 AM PST US From: Rob Kermanj Subject: Re: RV10-List: Washer installation tool Another easy way also is to use a masking tape to hold the washer in place and pull the tape out once the washer is in place and the bolt is inserted. On Jan 27, 2007, at 10:59 PM, Larry Rosen wrote: > > I was given this suggestion, but have not used it my self. > Super glue the edge of the washer to a wire. Use the wire to hold > the washer in place. Insert the bolt and then pull the wire off > the washer. > > YMMV > Larry > > dmaib@mac.com wrote: >> >> I know I have seen some photo's of a tool made out of a popsicle >> stick or tongue depresser that is made to help get washers >> installed on bolts for rod end installations and such. I cannot >> locate anything using the search feature. Anybody help with this? >> >> -------- >> David Maib >> RV-10 #40559 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90930#90930 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:05 AM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? We prime all nutplates, either with the same primer as we use for the skins or with Zinc Chromate. I doubt much of that paint would be left after running the screw in, but what do I know? We haven't been using anything on the threads of the screws, but would be interested in others' suggestions on this. We use Lithium Grease on all bolt shafts, but make sure not to get any on the threads. Do not archive. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:16 AM Subject: RV10-List: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? I'm in the process of installing the nut plates onto my spar and am seeking other builders thoughts re priming of the nut plates once installed to inhibit the likelihood of future corrosion. I am using Duralac on each nut plate prior to riveting to inhibit corrosion due to dissimilar metal contact and I have primed the countersinks in the spar flange prior to installing the nut plates. Should I also prime the nut plates themselves once installed on the underside of the spar flanges? Your thoughts, experiences and suggestions would be very much appreciated please. Regards Patrick Pulis #40299 Adelaide, South Australia -- 11:11 AM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:35 AM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: My panel FWIW, I think the 'diving mask' is actually for use in case of smoke. United started using something similar awhile back as it was determined the contents of the smoke could significantly reduce your lifespan in addition to the benefits of being able to see better. Marcus Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:36 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: My panel The diving mask is in case of a water landing, remember we were flying over Honolulu. ;-) (Actually I did not notice it and don't know why it was there.) Dave do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gonzalez" Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:19 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: My panel > > Dave do you guys plan on flying with out the windscreen, what the hell are > those diving masks doing hanging around in the cockpit. > > Either that, you you guys do some pretty silly stuff all alone up front on > those long flights. > > If you need some help I can make a referal. > > John G. > > Do Not Archive > > >>From: "Dave Leikam" >>To: "matronics" >>Subject: RV10-List: My panel >>Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:02:48 -0600 >> >>Thought I'd post a picture of me sitting in front of my new panel. ;-) >>(Actually this is compliments of the 128th sim at MKE. I landed it twice >>in Hawaii and did a full power on stall loaded very lite. What a ride!) >> >>Dave >> >>do not archive > > >><< KC-135007.jpg >> > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:11 AM PST US From: Larry Rosen Subject: RV10-List: Web Site Update - Long Overdue I just updated my RV-10 website which is long overdue. My previous post was photos from 2006 Sun-N-Fun. Enjoy. In my browser I need to "refresh" the page to get the new content. Not sure if this is just my browser or a tag that needs to be changed. do not archive -- Larry Rosen RV-10 #356 http://lrosen.nerv10.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:57 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? I use anti-sieze on my screws and really don't worry about getting it on the larger bolt threads either. I guess Jesse, being a purist, is worried about the changes in assembly torque on bolts with lubricated threads. I'm not. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be aware of the changes (or possible consequences) and follow my lead. It's just the way I've done it, and yes, sooner or later I may get 'caught' by my blasphemous assembly. I rather feel I'll croak from natural causes first. Oh, BTW, the reason I use antisieze is because I'm not fond of having to drill out a few screws once a year! Linn ....... do not archive Jesse Saint wrote: > >We prime all nutplates, either with the same primer as we use for the skins >or with Zinc Chromate. I doubt much of that paint would be left after >running the screw in, but what do I know? We haven't been using anything on >the threads of the screws, but would be interested in others' suggestions on >this. We use Lithium Grease on all bolt shafts, but make sure not to get >any on the threads. > >Do not archive. > >Jesse Saint >Saint Aviation, Inc. >jesse@saintaviation.com >www.saintaviation.com >Cell: 352-427-0285 >Fax: 815-377-3694 > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis >Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:16 AM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? > > > >I'm in the process of installing the nut plates onto my spar and am >seeking other builders thoughts re priming of the nut plates once >installed to inhibit the likelihood of future corrosion. > >I am using Duralac on each nut plate prior to riveting to inhibit >corrosion due to dissimilar metal contact and I have primed the >countersinks in the spar flange prior to installing the nut plates. >Should I also prime the nut plates themselves once installed on the >underside of the spar flanges? > >Your thoughts, experiences and suggestions would be very much >appreciated please. > > >Regards > >Patrick Pulis >#40299 >Adelaide, South Australia > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:55 AM PST US From: jdalton77@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: Washer installation tool I've been using these funny needlenose pliers I ran across - the end are curved down sharply enabling me to fit them into funny angles. Works for both washers and nuts. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Rob Kermanj > > Another easy way also is to use a masking tape to hold the washer in > place and pull the tape out once the washer is in place and the bolt > is inserted. > > > On Jan 27, 2007, at 10:59 PM, Larry Rosen wrote: > > > > > I was given this suggestion, but have not used it my self. > > Super glue the edge of the washer to a wire. Use the wire to hold > > the washer in place. Insert the bolt and then pull the wire off > > the washer. > > > > YMMV > > Larry > > > > dmaib@mac.com wrote: > >> > >> I know I have seen some photo's of a tool made out of a popsicle > >> stick or tongue depresser that is made to help get washers > >> installed on bolts for rod end installations and such. I cannot > >> locate anything using the search feature. Anybody help with this? > >> > >> -------- > >> David Maib > >> RV-10 #40559 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Read this topic online here: > >> > >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90930#90930 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
 
I've been using these funny needlenose pliers I ran across - the end are curved down sharply enabling me to fit them into funny angles.  Works for both washers and nuts.
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________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:38:13 AM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? Anti-sieze, from what I have read, is made to be used on the threads. We use that or Seal Lube for the threads of the fuel and brake line pipe thread fittings. I just don't like the idea of lithium grease on the nut for fear it might limit the effect of the nyloc action. Anti-sieze I would not be against, and certainly not into a nutplate. I do agree that using ez-outs or drilling a screw is a pain. I do think that's the first time I've been called a purist, for whatever reasons, so couldn't you have left that in the archives? So, for another question...does the server recognize the previous messages and remove them from the post online and thus ignore the "do not archive" post from previous messages? Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:47 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? I use anti-sieze on my screws and really don't worry about getting it on the larger bolt threads either. I guess Jesse, being a purist, is worried about the changes in assembly torque on bolts with lubricated threads. I'm not. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be aware of the changes (or possible consequences) and follow my lead. It's just the way I've done it, and yes, sooner or later I may get 'caught' by my blasphemous assembly. I rather feel I'll croak from natural causes first. Oh, BTW, the reason I use antisieze is because I'm not fond of having to drill out a few screws once a year! Linn ....... do not archive Jesse Saint wrote: > >We prime all nutplates, either with the same primer as we use for the skins >or with Zinc Chromate. I doubt much of that paint would be left after >running the screw in, but what do I know? We haven't been using anything on >the threads of the screws, but would be interested in others' suggestions on >this. We use Lithium Grease on all bolt shafts, but make sure not to get >any on the threads. > >Do not archive. > >Jesse Saint >Saint Aviation, Inc. >jesse@saintaviation.com >www.saintaviation.com >Cell: 352-427-0285 >Fax: 815-377-3694 > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis >Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:16 AM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? > > > >I'm in the process of installing the nut plates onto my spar and am >seeking other builders thoughts re priming of the nut plates once >installed to inhibit the likelihood of future corrosion. > >I am using Duralac on each nut plate prior to riveting to inhibit >corrosion due to dissimilar metal contact and I have primed the >countersinks in the spar flange prior to installing the nut plates. >Should I also prime the nut plates themselves once installed on the >underside of the spar flanges? > >Your thoughts, experiences and suggestions would be very much >appreciated please. > > >Regards > >Patrick Pulis >#40299 >Adelaide, South Australia > > > > -- 5:02 PM ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:14 AM PST US From: Subject: RV10-List: Firewall Forward parts list Does anyone have the firewall forward parts list from Vans? Or maybe a pointer to a web page where it is posted? Thanks Jim Combs N312F 40192 Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:20 AM PST US From: "Byron Gillespie" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Firewall Forward parts list Tim has some lists on his main page, It is under Building tips and options about 3/4 the way down. There are some variations depending on what some folks want left out. Hope that helps a bit Byron N253RV assigned -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim@combsfive.com Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 1:06 PM Subject: RV10-List: Firewall Forward parts list Does anyone have the firewall forward parts list from Vans? Or maybe a pointer to a web page where it is posted? Thanks Jim Combs N312F 40192 Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:30:52 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RE: RV10-List: Firewall Forward parts list I check Tim's site first, but seemed to have missed it. The search on his site did not pull it up either. Guess I didn't put in all the right keywords. PJ Seipel sent me a copy. Thanks, to all! Jim C Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:47 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: How does this tank test kit work? From: "Michael Wellenzohn" Hello I purchased Vans tank test kit but how should this fuel feed cover is supposed to work? Am I missing something here? Regards Michael -------- RV-10 builder (wings) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91096#91096 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/20070128_wings_01_503.jpg ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:21:20 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? or 'to antisieze .....' Jesse Saint wrote: > >Anti-sieze, from what I have read, is made to be used on the threads. > Specifically. > We >use that or Seal Lube for the threads of the fuel and brake line pipe thread >fittings. I just don't like the idea of lithium grease on the nut for fear >it might limit the effect of the nyloc action. > Well, it probably does ...... but I'm of the opinion that it's close to immeasureable. > Anti-sieze I would not be >against, and certainly not into a nutplate. I do agree that using ez-outs >or drilling a screw is a pain. > Amen! >I do think that's the first time I've been called a purist, for whatever >reasons, so couldn't you have left that in the archives? > Well, not knowing you personally ...... I was looking for a description that wasn't in the 'flame' category. It's hard to flame someone for being a purist!!! We'll have to get that in the archives in another thread!!! :-) >So, for another question...does the server recognize the previous messages >and remove them from the post online and thus ignore the "do not archive" >post from previous messages? > AFAIK, a 'do not archive' anywhere in the message does the trick. No stripping occurs, and all those long threads without the 'DNA' ...... have multiple copies of stuff that might trigger a hit in the search function. I choose to limit my contributions to the archives since most of my posts are usually my opinion and I am seldom able pass on any 'RV-10 specific' info. Sometimes we forget what this list is really for! :-P Linn > >Jesse Saint >Saint Aviation, Inc. >jesse@saintaviation.com >www.saintaviation.com >Cell: 352-427-0285 >Fax: 815-377-3694 >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters >Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:47 AM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? > > >I use anti-sieze on my screws and really don't worry about getting it on >the larger bolt threads either. I guess Jesse, being a purist, is >worried about the changes in assembly torque on bolts with lubricated >threads. I'm not. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be aware of the >changes (or possible consequences) and follow my lead. It's just the >way I've done it, and yes, sooner or later I may get 'caught' by my >blasphemous assembly. I rather feel I'll croak from natural causes >first. Oh, BTW, the reason I use antisieze is because I'm not fond of >having to drill out a few screws once a year! >Linn ....... >do not archive > >Jesse Saint wrote: > > > >> >>We prime all nutplates, either with the same primer as we use for the skins >>or with Zinc Chromate. I doubt much of that paint would be left after >>running the screw in, but what do I know? We haven't been using anything >> >> >on > > >>the threads of the screws, but would be interested in others' suggestions >> >> >on > > >>this. We use Lithium Grease on all bolt shafts, but make sure not to get >>any on the threads. >> >>Do not archive. >> >>Jesse Saint >>Saint Aviation, Inc. >>jesse@saintaviation.com >>www.saintaviation.com >>Cell: 352-427-0285 >>Fax: 815-377-3694 >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis >>Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:16 AM >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RV10-List: Nutplate Corrosion - To Prime or Not To Prime? >> >> >> >>I'm in the process of installing the nut plates onto my spar and am >>seeking other builders thoughts re priming of the nut plates once >>installed to inhibit the likelihood of future corrosion. >> >>I am using Duralac on each nut plate prior to riveting to inhibit >>corrosion due to dissimilar metal contact and I have primed the >>countersinks in the spar flange prior to installing the nut plates. >>Should I also prime the nut plates themselves once installed on the >>underside of the spar flanges? >> >>Your thoughts, experiences and suggestions would be very much >>appreciated please. >> >> >>Regards >> >>Patrick Pulis >>#40299 >>Adelaide, South Australia >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:39 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Firewall Forward parts list Here's 2 versions !. This is the version straight as it comes from Van's 2. The second version has the part descriptions cut and pasted into it to help assist. (It also has my deletions to the kit annotated, just ignore those) Deems Davis # 406 Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! ) http://deemsrv10.com/ > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:54:50 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: How does this tank test kit work? From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Unfortunately, almost everything in that kit is useless and doesn't apply to the -10. You will have to improvise most of it. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Limbo -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Wellenzohn Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 2:02 PM Subject: RV10-List: How does this tank test kit work? Hello I purchased Vans tank test kit but how should this fuel feed cover is supposed to work? Am I missing something here? Regards Michael -------- RV-10 builder (wings) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91096#91096 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/20070128_wings_01_503.jpg ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:24 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Re: RV10-List: Firewall Forward parts list Thanks, Jim C Do Not Archive =========================================================== From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Firewall Forward parts list Here's 2 versions !. This is the version straight as it comes from Van's 2. The second version has the part descriptions cut and pasted into it to help assist. (It also has my deletions to the kit annotated, just ignore those) Deems Davis # 406 Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! ) http://deemsrv10.com/ > > > > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:11 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. Good news, everyone... Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from the install posted here: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of_new_extensions Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to see if pricing will be any lower. My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively) Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be a small delay before they start making them. You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit to paying for them. What you'll get: 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts, so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut. You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3) MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required to attach them. Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16" and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins. Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw. Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair, all complete to your door with the hardware. One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48 states only so I can use USPS Priority mail. Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;) If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;) If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first. Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:21:57 PM PST US From: Rob Kermanj Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. Count me in and thanks for doing this. Nice process and organization. Rob. On Jan 28, 2007, at 7:41 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > Good news, everyone... > > Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my > drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from > the install posted here: > > http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/ > index.html#Installation_of_new_extensions > > Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and > since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate > a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least > 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other > people > were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to > make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to > see if pricing will be any lower. > > My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and > $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively) > > Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions > for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them > now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order > them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's > way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be > a small delay before they start making them. > You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's > stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to > cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit > to paying for them. > > What you'll get: > 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so > they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly > replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts, > so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut. > You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that > will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall > off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm > going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3) > MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required > to attach them. > > Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16" > and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring > so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and > torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill > out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small > cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins. > Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw. > > Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to > make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same > time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the > same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round > any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and > done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than > my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair, > all complete to your door with the hardware. > > One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going > to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48 > states only so I can use USPS Priority mail. > > Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want > them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm > crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and > it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep > the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for > this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably > easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this > because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and > it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your > local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that > we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal > or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because > we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;) > If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that > they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're > just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;) > > If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not > proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first. > > Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list. > > -- > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:38 PM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. Tim, I will take a set. Thank you so much for all you do for this group of builders. Fantastic! David Maib #40559 struggling with elevator trim (grrrrrr) On Jan 28, 2007, at 6:41 PM, Tim Olson wrote: Good news, everyone... Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from the install posted here: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/ index.html#Installation_of_new_extensions Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to see if pricing will be any lower. My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively) Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be a small delay before they start making them. You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit to paying for them. What you'll get: 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts, so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut. You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3) MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required to attach them. Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16" and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins. Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw. Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair, all complete to your door with the hardware. One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48 states only so I can use USPS Priority mail. Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;) If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;) If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first. Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:02 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Tim, throw me on the list. I would also like to add my services to this very nice offer. For our brethren in OZ and NZ that may want to jump in on this, I will be willing to act as a proxy for you on two conditions. First you have been present and active on the list so I recognize you, and second I reserve the right to limit the number of people I proxy this to. This is only for Australia and New Zealand. If someone else wants to handle the UK or another part of the world more power to them. Oceania is enough for me. :-) So if you are in one of those two locations and want a set let me know and I will ask Tim to add them to my order. You will pay whatever I pay + the cost of shipping to your part of the world and you can pay me via paypal also. Of course this is assuming Tim doesn't have a problem with it. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Limbo Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:41 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. Good news, everyone... Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from the install posted here: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_o f_new_extensions Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to see if pricing will be any lower. My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively) Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be a small delay before they start making them. You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit to paying for them. What you'll get: 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts, so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut. You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3) MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required to attach them. Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16" and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins. Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw. Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair, all complete to your door with the hardware. One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48 states only so I can use USPS Priority mail. Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;) If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;) If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first. Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:27 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. Tim: I'll take a pair Steve Mills RV-10 40486 Slow-build Naperville, Illinois finishing fuselage Do Not Archive 630-308-7476 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David Maib Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:29 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. Tim, I will take a set. Thank you so much for all you do for this group of builders. Fantastic! David Maib #40559 struggling with elevator trim (grrrrrr) On Jan 28, 2007, at 6:41 PM, Tim Olson wrote: Good news, everyone... Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from the install posted here: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/ index.html#Installation_of_new_extensions Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to see if pricing will be any lower. My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively) Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be a small delay before they start making them. You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit to paying for them. What you'll get: 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts, so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut. You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3) MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required to attach them. Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16" and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins. Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw. Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair, all complete to your door with the hardware. One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48 states only so I can use USPS Priority mail. Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;) If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;) If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first. Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:49 PM PST US From: EFDsteve@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. Thanks, Tim. Please add me to the list for a pair of axle extensions. Steve Weinstock 40230 In a message dated 1/28/2007 6:46:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, Tim@MyRV10.com writes: --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Good news, everyone... Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from the install posted here: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of_new_ extensions Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to see if pricing will be any lower. My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively) Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be a small delay before they start making them. You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit to paying for them. What you'll get: 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts, so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut. You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3) MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required to attach them. Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16" and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins. Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw. Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair, all complete to your door with the hardware. One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48 states only so I can use USPS Priority mail. Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;) If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;) If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first. Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:50 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. Tim, put me on the list for a pair. Lemme know what I ow ya. I think regular usps parcel would be a whole lot cheaper than priority. Also, I don't see the reason not to make it 1 1/4" all the way out ..... except for some weight savings. Less machining means lower cost. Just thinking out loud!!! Linn Walters do not archive Tim Olson wrote: > > Good news, everyone... > > Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my > drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from > the install posted here: > > http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of_new_extensions > > > Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and > since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate > a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least > 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people > were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to > make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to > see if pricing will be any lower. > > My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and > $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively) > > Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions > for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them > now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order > them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's > way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be > a small delay before they start making them. > You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's > stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to > cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit > to paying for them. > > What you'll get: > 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so > they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly > replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts, > so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut. > You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that > will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall > off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm > going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3) > MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required > to attach them. > > Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16" > and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring > so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and > torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill > out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small > cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins. > Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw. > > Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to > make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same > time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the > same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round > any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and > done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than > my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair, > all complete to your door with the hardware. > > One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going > to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48 > states only so I can use USPS Priority mail. > > Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want > them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm > crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and > it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep > the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for > this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably > easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this > because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and > it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your > local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that > we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal > or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because > we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;) > If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that > they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're > just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;) > > If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not > proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first. > > Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list. > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:30 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. Works for me Michael, if someone from OZ or NZ wants them, we'll make it happen between Michael and I. And if anyone wants to help with the UK, that's great too. Dont' want to exclude any of the great people....just didn't need a lot of extra headache, but this isn't too bad. The list already is well long enough that we'll be doing it...so it's gonna be happening for sure unless something goes screwy when I give the order to the machinist. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote: > > Tim, throw me on the list. > > I would also like to add my services to this very nice offer. For our > brethren in OZ and NZ that may want to jump in on this, I will be > willing to act as a proxy for you on two conditions. First you have > been present and active on the list so I recognize you, and second I > reserve the right to limit the number of people I proxy this to. > > This is only for Australia and New Zealand. If someone else wants to > handle the UK or another part of the world more power to them. Oceania > is enough for me. :-) So if you are in one of those two locations and > want a set let me know and I will ask Tim to add them to my order. You > will pay whatever I pay + the cost of shipping to your part of the world > and you can pay me via paypal also. > > Of course this is assuming Tim doesn't have a problem with it. > > Michael Sausen > -10 #352 Limbo > Do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:08 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. Well, we're over 20 now (25 officially so far), so this thing looks like it's gonna happen and be at least as good as we expected. Price goes down with quantity, so this is great. Mike Sausen has volunteered to help some overseas people, and I had a request from Canada. What I can do worst case is to ship one package to canada and let you re-ship them within canada to the rest. May as well help as many people as we can. Also, for those who've sent me emails saying they want them, sometime within the next week shoot me an off-list email with your Name, address, phone, and email so that I can not only ship them, but can get a hold of you when it's time. Tim Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Tim Olson wrote: > > Good news, everyone... > > Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my > drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from > the install posted here: > > http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of_new_extensions > > > Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and > since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate > a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least > 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people > were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to > make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to > see if pricing will be any lower. > > My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and > $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively) > > Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions > for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them > now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order > them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's > way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be > a small delay before they start making them. > You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's > stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to > cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit > to paying for them. > > What you'll get: > 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so > they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly > replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts, > so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut. > You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that > will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall > off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm > going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3) > MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required > to attach them. > > Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16" > and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring > so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and > torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill > out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small > cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins. > Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw. > > Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to > make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same > time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the > same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round > any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and > done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than > my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair, > all complete to your door with the hardware. > > One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going > to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48 > states only so I can use USPS Priority mail. > > Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want > them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm > crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and > it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep > the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for > this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably > easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this > because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and > it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your > local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that > we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal > or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because > we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;) > If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that > they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're > just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;) > > If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not > proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first. > > Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list. > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:07 PM PST US From: "John Dunne" Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. Michael and Tim, I would like a set and thanks for your kind offer. Please advise me offlist and I can arrange funds transfer to you. John 40315 Do Not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Monday, 29 January 2007 11:32 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. Tim, throw me on the list. I would also like to add my services to this very nice offer. For our brethren in OZ and NZ that may want to jump in on this, I will be willing to act as a proxy for you on two conditions. First you have been present and active on the list so I recognize you, and second I reserve the right to limit the number of people I proxy this to. This is only for Australia and New Zealand. If someone else wants to handle the UK or another part of the world more power to them. Oceania is enough for me. :-) So if you are in one of those two locations and want a set let me know and I will ask Tim to add them to my order. You will pay whatever I pay + the cost of shipping to your part of the world and you can pay me via paypal also. Of course this is assuming Tim doesn't have a problem with it. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Limbo Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:41 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. Good news, everyone... Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from the install posted here: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_o f_new_extensions Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to see if pricing will be any lower. My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively) Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be a small delay before they start making them. You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit to paying for them. What you'll get: 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts, so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut. You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3) MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required to attach them. Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16" and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins. Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw. Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair, all complete to your door with the hardware. One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48 states only so I can use USPS Priority mail. Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;) If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;) If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first. Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:46 PM PST US From: "DejaVu" Subject: Re: RV10-List: How does this tank test kit work? Michael, I tested mine using Dan Checkoway's method, described here: http://www.rvproject.com/20020710.html . It is quite sensitive to atmospheric changes but should give a good feel. Anh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Wellenzohn" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 3:01 PM Subject: RV10-List: How does this tank test kit work? > > > > > Hello I purchased Vans tank test kit but how should this fuel feed cover > is supposed to work? Am I missing something here? > > Regards > Michael > > -------- > RV-10 builder (wings) > #511 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91096#91096 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20070128_wings_01_503.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:36 PM PST US From: "Dave Leikam" Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. Send me a pair if you have a slot left. Dave Leikam 40496 S79 W16389 Woods Rd Muskego, WI 53150 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:41 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. > > Good news, everyone... > > Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my > drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from > the install posted here: > > http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of_new_extensions > > Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and > since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate > a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least > 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people > were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to > make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to > see if pricing will be any lower. > > My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and > $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively) > > Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions > for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them > now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order > them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's > way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be > a small delay before they start making them. > You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's > stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to > cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit > to paying for them. > > What you'll get: > 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so > they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly > replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts, > so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut. > You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that > will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall > off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm > going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3) > MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required > to attach them. > > Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16" > and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring > so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and > torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill > out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small > cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins. > Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw. > > Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to > make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same > time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the > same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round > any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and > done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than > my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair, > all complete to your door with the hardware. > > One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going > to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48 > states only so I can use USPS Priority mail. > > Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want > them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm > crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and > it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep > the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for > this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably > easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this > because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and > it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your > local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that > we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal > or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because > we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;) > If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that > they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're > just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;) > > If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not > proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first. > > Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list. > > -- > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:08 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. From: "orchidman" Tim, Please add me to the list. In no hurry. Wings should arrive in about 10 days. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N410GB reserved) do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91204#91204 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:23 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. Tim, add me to the list. Thanks for doing it. Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:41 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. Good news, everyone... Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from the install posted here: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of_ne w_extensions Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to see if pricing will be any lower. My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively) Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be a small delay before they start making them. You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit to paying for them. What you'll get: 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts, so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut. You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3) MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required to attach them. Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16" and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins. Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw. Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair, all complete to your door with the hardware. One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48 states only so I can use USPS Priority mail. Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;) If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;) If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first. Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:39 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. From: "Pierre Levy" Tim: I will take a set. Pierre Pierre Levy Builder Number 40690 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:41 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. Good news, everyone... Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from the install posted here: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_o f_new_extensions Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to see if pricing will be any lower. My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively) Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be a small delay before they start making them. You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit to paying for them. What you'll get: 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts, so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut. You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3) MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required to attach them. Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16" and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins. Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw. Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair, all complete to your door with the hardware. One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48 states only so I can use USPS Priority mail. Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;) If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;) If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first. Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:00 PM PST US From: cloudvalley@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. Hello Tim, Put us on the list too for those extensions! Brian and Ruth Preston #40666 -------------- Original message -------------- From: Tim Olson > > Well, we're over 20 now (25 officially so far), so this thing looks > like it's gonna happen and be at least as good as we expected. > Price goes down with quantity, so this is great. > > Mike Sausen has volunteered to help some overseas people, and > I had a request from Canada. What I can do worst case is to > ship one package to canada and let you re-ship them within > canada to the rest. May as well help as many people as we can. > > Also, for those who've sent me emails saying they want them, > sometime within the next week shoot me an off-list email with > your Name, address, phone, and email so that I can not only > ship them, but can get a hold of you when it's time. > > Tim > > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > Tim Olson wrote: > > > > Good news, everyone... > > > > Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my > > drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from > > the install posted here: > > > > > http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of_new_ex > tensions > > > > > > Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and > > since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate > > a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least > > 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people > > were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to > > make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to > > see if pricing will be any lower. > > > > My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and > > $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively) > > > > Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions > > for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them > > now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order > > them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's > > way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be > > a small delay before they start making them. > > You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's > > stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to > > cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit > > to paying for them. > > > > What you'll get: > > 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so > > they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly > > replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts, > > so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut. > > You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that > > will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall > > off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm > > going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3) > > MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required > > to attach them. > > > > Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16" > > and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring > > so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and > > torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill > > out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small > > cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins. > > Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw. > > > > Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to > > make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same > > time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the > > same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round > > any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and > > done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than > > my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair, > > all complete to your door with the hardware. > > > > One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going > > to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48 > > states only so I can use USPS Priority mail. > > > > Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want > > them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm > > crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and > > it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep > > the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for > > this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably > > easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this > > because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and > > it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your > > local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that > > we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal > > or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because > > we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;) > > If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that > > they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're > > just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;) > > > > If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not > > proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first. > > > > Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list. > > > > > >
Hello Tim,
Put us on the list too for those extensions!
Brian and Ruth Preston
#40666
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>

> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
>
> Well, we're over 20 now (25 officially so far), so this thing looks
> like it's gonna happen and be at least as good as we expected.
> Price goes down with quantity, so this is great.
>
> Mike Sausen has volunteered to help some overseas people, and
> I had a request from Canada. What I can do worst case is to
> ship one package to canada and let you re-ship them within
> canada to the rest. May as well help as many people as we can.
>
> Also, for those who've sent me emails saying they want them,
> sometime within the next week shoot me an off-list email with
> your Name, address, phone, and email so that I can not only
> ship them, but can get a hold of you when it's time.
>
> Tim
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
> >
> > Good news, everyone...
> >
> > Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my
> > drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from
> > the install posted here:
> >
> >
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of_new_ex
> tensions
> >
> >
> > Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and
> > since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate
> > a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least
> > 2 quotes come back with costs significa ntly l ower than what other people
> > were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to
> > make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to
> > see if pricing will be any lower.
> >
> > My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and
> > $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)
> >
> > Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions
> > for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them
> > now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order
> > them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's
> > way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be
> > a small delay before they start making them.
> > You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's
> > stupid, but I'm pla nning to write a check for well over $1000 to
> > cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit
> > to paying for them.
> >
> > What you'll get:
> > 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so
> > they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly
> > replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts,
> > so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut.
> > You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that
> > will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall
> > off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm
> > going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3)
> > MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required
> > to attach them.
> >
> > Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16"
> > and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring
> > so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and
> > torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill
> > out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small
> > cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins.
> > Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw.
> >
> > Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to
> > make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same
> > time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the
> > same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round
> > any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and
> > done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than
> > my expe ctatio ns...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair,
> > all complete to your door with the hardware.
> >
> > One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going
> > to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48
> > states only so I can use USPS Priority mail.
> >
> > Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want
> > them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm
> > crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and
> > it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep
> > the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for
> > this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably
> > easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this
> > because after installing them I know they worked well for me , and gt; _-
________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:14 PM PST US From: "Roger Standley" Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. =0AHi Tim,=0A=0AI will take a set.=0A=0ARoger=0A#402 91=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: Tim Olson =0A To: rv10-list@matronics.com =0A Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 4:41 PM=0A Su bject: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesda Tim@MyRV10.com>=0A=0A Good news, everyon e...=0A=0A Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my=0A drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have so me photos from=0A the install posted here:=0A=0A http://www myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of_new_ex tensions=0A=0A Now that I know they work, I 'm going to do something stupid and=0A since some people found hig h machining costs, I'm going to coordinate=0A a group order for ex tensions that look like these. I had at least=0A 2 quotes come ba ck with costs significantly lower than what other people=0A were s aying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to=0A make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to =0A see if pricing will be any lower.=0A=0A My present quot e that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and=0A $24.50ea @ qu antity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)=0A=0A Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions=0A for yo ur plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them=0A now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order =0A them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's =0A way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be=0A a small delay before they start making them.=0A You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's=0A stupi d, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to=0A cov er the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit=0A to paying for them.=0A=0A What you'll get:=0A 1 PAIR of Ax le entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so=0A they don' t require the large flat washer. They should directly=0A replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts,=0A so you ha ve one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut.=0A You'll als o get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that=0A will be 1 /4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall=0A off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm=0A going t o send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3)=0A MS24665-362 cot ter pins, so you have all of the hardware required=0A to attach th em.=0A=0A Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16"=0A and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring=0A so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/wash er to the extension and=0A torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill=0A out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small=0A cotter pins, install the axle nut s and pin with the large pins.=0A Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw.=0A=0A Since this is something I' m not doing for profit, I'm going to=0A make it easy on myself. T hey'll all be picked up at the same=0A time, and I'll throw them a ll into USPS Priority mail at the=0A same time. I'll split the co sts of everything evenly, and round=0A any costs up to the next hi ghest dollar. When all is said and=0A done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than=0A my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair,=0A all complete to your doo r with the hardware.=0A=0A One exception: Since this isn't for -profit in any way, I'm going=0A to make it easy on myself and lim it it to the US continental 48=0A states only so I can use USPS Pr iority mail.=0A=0A Again, I'll only be doing this group order o ne time, so if you want=0A them, now's the time. After this order , if for some reason I'm=0A crazy enough to do it again, I'd add o n extra cost for the time, and=0A it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep=0A the price down. If for some r eason we can't get 10 people for=0A this order, I won't bother, bu t my gut feeling is that we'll probably=0A easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this=0A because after ins talling them I know they worked well for me, and=0A it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your=0A local machin ist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that=0A we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal=0A or by check after y ou get them. I know everyone will pay up, because=0A we're all ni ce people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;)=0A If yo u pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that=0A the y charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're=0A just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;)=0A =0A If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I wi ll not=0A proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first.=0A=0A Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list.=0A=0A -- =0A Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying ======================= ======================0A ======================= ======================= ======================= ======================= ====0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:27 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. From: "Chris Johnston" I'm in! cj #40410 fuse www.perfectlygoodairplane.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson Sent: Sun 1/28/2007 4:41 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. Good news, everyone... Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from the install posted here: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of _new_extensions Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to see if pricing will be any lower. My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively) Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be a small delay before they start making them. You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit to paying for them. What you'll get: 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts, so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut. You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3) MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required to attach them. Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16" and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins. Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw. Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair, all complete to your door with the hardware. One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48 states only so I can use USPS Priority mail. Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;) If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;) If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first. Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:29 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. Wonderful, you're #51! Tim Roger Standley wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > I will take a set. > > Roger > #40291 > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Tim Olson > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Sunday, January 28, 2007 4:41 PM > *Subject:* RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by > Wednesday p.m. > > > > > Good news, everyone... > > Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my > drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from > the install posted here: > > http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of_new_extensions > > Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and > since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate > a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least > 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people > were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to > make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to > see if pricing will be any lower. > > My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and > $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively) > > Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions > for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them > now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order > them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's > way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be > a small delay before they start making them. > You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's > stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to > cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit > to paying for them. > > What you'll get: > 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so > they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly > replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts, > so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut. > You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that > will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall > off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm > going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3) > MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required > to attach them. > > Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16" > and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring > so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and > torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill > out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small > cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins. > Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw. > > Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to > make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same > time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the > same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round > any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and > done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than > my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair, > all complete to your door with the hardware. > > One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going > to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48 > states only so I can use USPS Priority mail. > > Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want > them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm > crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and > it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep > the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for > this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably > easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this > because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and > it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your > local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that > we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal > or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because > we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;) > If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that > they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're > just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;) > > If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not > proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first. > > Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list. > > -- > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - > ==============================================http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List<=======================nbsp; > title=http://forums.matronics.com/ > href="http://fo======================================================= > > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:07 PM PST US From: "John Dunne" Subject: RV10-List: Cabin Doors Had a lot of fun over the long weekend and managed about 20 or so hours, filing, sanding, cutting, shaping and installing the doors and rear windows. However as I filed, sanded and bevelled the edges down, I started noticing splits or places where the glue hadn't joined in some spots. Having installed the inner and outer shells as one unit on the cabin cover during the gluing process, I did notice some slight distortion to the outer edges when trying to apply pressure to keep both halves together and in contact but I can't say I noticed any problems with the mating of the shell halves on the bench. As both doors ended up with similar problems, I can only say I didn't get enough down pressure on the outer shell edges once positioned in the cabin cover doorway. Where I could, I re-glued but rather than trying to force the shells together where they wouldn't stretch easily; I made some thin fibreglass shims and glued those into any voids. Worked well and can now be filed down to shape again. Just something for those yet to do this step, in order to save a bit of time and grief.. John 40315 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:44 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. Wow, what an overwhelming response! We hit 53 people already tonight (106 parts) so the machining quote should be nice and low. It's going to be a busy time packaging and shipping them though. I saved a few feet of bubblewrap from something I got this week in the mail, but I think I'm going to need quite a bit more than that. ;) Looks like I'll have to start scrounging around work for the next few days and have them save me all that they can. Thanks everyone for the kind words. I'll keep the list open until 8am Thursday a.m. and then I'll call in the total to be ordered. It's almost a shame to see someone not building these for a product, with the response we got. It sure does indicate that perhaps they should think about doing something better at the factory though, if this many people want to jump on something better that quick. But you know how that kind of thing goes over. Just keep sending your info if you haven't. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:21 PM PST US From: "Chris, Susie & Darcy" Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. I will take a set via Michael if that is ok. Chris 388 Melbourne Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:31 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. > > > Tim, throw me on the list. > > I would also like to add my services to this very nice offer. For our > brethren in OZ and NZ that may want to jump in on this, I will be > willing to act as a proxy for you on two conditions. First you have > been present and active on the list so I recognize you, and second I > reserve the right to limit the number of people I proxy this to. > > This is only for Australia and New Zealand. If someone else wants to > handle the UK or another part of the world more power to them. Oceania > is enough for me. :-) So if you are in one of those two locations and > want a set let me know and I will ask Tim to add them to my order. You > will pay whatever I pay + the cost of shipping to your part of the world > and you can pay me via paypal also. > > Of course this is assuming Tim doesn't have a problem with it. > > Michael Sausen > -10 #352 Limbo > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:41 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by > Wednesday p.m. > > > Good news, everyone... > > Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my > drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from > the install posted here: > > http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_o > f_new_extensions > > Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and > since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate > a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least > 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people > were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to > make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to > see if pricing will be any lower. > > My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and > $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively) > > Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions > for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them > now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order > them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's > way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be > a small delay before they start making them. > You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's > stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to > cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit > to paying for them. > > What you'll get: > 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so > they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly > replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts, > so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut. > You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that > will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall > off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm > going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3) > MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required > to attach them. > > Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16" > and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring > so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and > torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill > out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small > cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins. > Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw. > > Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to > make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same > time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the > same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round > any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and > done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than > my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair, > all complete to your door with the hardware. > > One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going > to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48 > states only so I can use USPS Priority mail. > > Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want > them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm > crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and > it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep > the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for > this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably > easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this > because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and > it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your > local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that > we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal > or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because > we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;) > If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that > they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're > just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;) > > If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not > proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first. > > Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list. > > -- > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.