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1. 12:42 AM - Re: How does this tank test kit work? (Michael Wellenzohn)
2. 12:45 AM - Re: How does this tank test kit work? (Henkjan van der Zouw)
3. 12:58 AM - Re: How does this tank test kit work? (Henkjan van der Zouw)
4. 03:39 AM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Hans-Dieter Aue)
5. 05:35 AM - Re: RV10-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 01/26/07 (Snow, Daniel A.)
6. 05:41 AM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Jim & Julie Wade)
7. 06:06 AM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Steve Stella)
8. 06:16 AM - Re: How does this tank test kit work? (reubanks)
9. 06:18 AM - Wow! (Tim Olson)
10. 06:29 AM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (John Testement)
11. 06:31 AM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
12. 06:43 AM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
13. 06:48 AM - Re: Wow! (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
14. 06:49 AM - Re: Re: How does this tank test kit work? (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
15. 06:49 AM - Re: Re: How does this tank test kit work? (Henkjan van der Zouw)
16. 07:05 AM - Re: Wow! (Tim Olson)
17. 07:45 AM - Re: Re: How does this tank test kit work? URL truncated (Werner Schneider)
18. 07:48 AM - Baggage door channel (John Ackerman)
19. 08:00 AM - Re: Wow! (John Ackerman)
20. 08:10 AM - Re: How does this tank test kit work? (Michael Wellenzohn)
21. 08:10 AM - Re: Baggage door channel (John Gonzalez)
22. 08:13 AM - Re: Wow! (Michael Wellenzohn)
23. 08:15 AM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (MauleDriver)
24. 08:34 AM - Re: Baggage door channel (John Ackerman)
25. 08:37 AM - Re: Wow! (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
26. 08:41 AM - forward closeout panel???????????????????? (John Gonzalez)
27. 09:51 AM - Re: Baggage door channel (John Gonzalez)
28. 09:54 AM - Re: forward closeout panel???????????????????? (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
29. 09:57 AM - Re: Baggage door channel (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
30. 10:00 AM - Tim's good deed (John Hasbrouck)
31. 10:06 AM - Re: Wow! (Jeff Carpenter)
32. 10:08 AM - Re: forward closeout panel???????????????????? (John Hasbrouck)
33. 10:47 AM - Re: Wow! (Tim Olson)
34. 11:27 AM - Re: forward closeout panel???????????????????? (Rene Felker)
35. 11:48 AM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (etandrews)
36. 12:04 PM - (Rob Kermanj)
37. 12:28 PM - Re: Wow! (Niko)
38. 12:30 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Rob Hunter)
39. 01:06 PM - Re: Wow! (Tim Olson)
40. 01:18 PM - Re: Tim's good deed (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
41. 01:45 PM - Re: Tim's good deed (Tim Olson)
42. 01:46 PM - Countersink W-1006E? (Shawn Moon)
43. 01:55 PM - Re: Countersink W-1006E? (James Hein)
44. 02:13 PM - Re: Wow! (ddddsp1@juno.com)
45. 02:27 PM - Panel Lettering (McGANN, Ron)
46. 02:40 PM - Baggage door channel (John Gonzalez)
47. 02:44 PM - Re: Wow! (Tim Olson)
48. 02:52 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (James Stribling)
49. 03:14 PM - Fuel Return? (Eric Parlow)
50. 04:02 PM - Re: What bolts onto F1011E - rudder cable hold downs? (MauleDriver)
51. 04:29 PM - Re: Countersink W-1006E? (Shawn Moon)
52. 05:48 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (Roy & Debbie)
53. 05:59 PM - Fuel Return (Fred Williams, M.D.)
54. 06:17 PM - Re: Fuel Return (Tim Olson)
55. 06:21 PM - Re: Fuel Return (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
56. 06:39 PM - Re: Fuel Return (McGANN, Ron)
57. 06:40 PM - Airflow (Rob Wright)
58. 06:49 PM - Re: Aileron Trim (was Fuel Return) (Larry Rosen)
59. 07:03 PM - Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. (AndrewTR30)
60. 07:25 PM - aileron trim (Fred Williams, M.D.)
61. 07:32 PM - Axle Extensions (Rick Leach)
62. 08:53 PM - Re: Wow! (dogsbark@comcast.net)
63. 09:12 PM - Re: Fuel Return (Tim Olson)
64. 09:35 PM - Re: Re: Wow! (Tim Olson)
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| Subject: | Re: How does this tank test kit work? |
Thank you Michael & Anh, I am just wondering why they sell it this way? Anyway
I'll go the alternative route.
Thanks for the fast replys
Michael
http://www.wellenzohn.net
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| Subject: | How does this tank test kit work? |
Hi Michael,
I just tested my left tank last night using the test kit, look at:
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=phzme&project=1&categ
ory=0&log=27411&row=1
#40355
Henkjan van der Zouw
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Michael Wellenzohn
Verzonden: zondag 28 januari 2007 21:02
Aan: rv10-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: RV10-List: How does this tank test kit work?
<michael@wellenzohn.net>
Hello I purchased Vans tank test kit but how should this fuel feed cover
is supposed to work? Am I missing something here?
Regards
Michael
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#511
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| Subject: | How does this tank test kit work? |
Why is it useless? I used it on both tanks recently
Henkjan van der Zouw
40355
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Namens RV Builder (Michael
Sausen)
Verzonden: maandag 29 januari 2007 0:54
Aan: rv10-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: RE: RV10-List: How does this tank test kit work?
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Unfortunately, almost everything in that kit is useless and doesn't
apply to the -10. You will have to improvise most of it.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Limbo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Wellenzohn
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 2:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: How does this tank test kit work?
<michael@wellenzohn.net>
Hello I purchased Vans tank test kit but how should this fuel feed cover
is supposed to work? Am I missing something here?
Regards
Michael
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#511
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. |
Yes Tim,
add me to the list.
Since I'm located in Germany I will try to arrange a delivery spot in US. I will
tell you a shipping address soon.
Thanks for doing this.
Hans-Dieter Aue
Germany
40424
N110GH (reserved)
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| Subject: | RE: RV10-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 01/26/07 |
At the recommendation of someone else, I sprayed them with a couple
coats of clear.
Time: 05:35:55 AM PST US
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lettering for Panels
Dan, How is the lettering protected from scratching/abrasion? Did you
seal the letters with anything (clearcoat?) This looks like an excellent
option,
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. |
Us Too!!! One set.
40383
N369JW
60Hrs
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| Subject: | RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday |
p.m.
Tim,
Put me down for a set.
Steve
#40654
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by
Wednesday p.m.
Wow, what an overwhelming response! We hit 53 people already
tonight (106 parts) so the machining quote should be
nice and low. It's going to be a busy time packaging and
shipping them though. I saved a few feet of bubblewrap
from something I got this week in the mail, but I think
I'm going to need quite a bit more than that. ;)
Looks like I'll have to start scrounging around work for
the next few days and have them save me all that they can.
Thanks everyone for the kind words. I'll keep the list
open until 8am Thursday a.m. and then I'll call in the
total to be ordered. It's almost a shame to see someone
not building these for a product, with the response
we got. It sure does indicate that perhaps they should
think about doing something better at the factory though,
if this many people want to jump on something better that
quick. But you know how that kind of thing goes over.
Just keep sending your info if you haven't.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: How does this tank test kit work? |
Couldnt view your URL you posted. Below is the error:
Henkjan's Van's RV10 PH-ZME
RV10
All
Notice: Undefined variable: log_date in /home/content/a/e/r/aeroware2/html/users/display_log.php
on line 174
Notice: strtotime(): Called with empty time parameter in /home/content/a/e/r/aeroware2/html/users/templates/library/chart_functions.php
on line 28
1-29-2007
Unable to find a work log with the specified id or no id was specified.
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I would have never guessed...my inbox is filling up as fast as I
can reply, and we're up to 72 now. I think I'm going to be a
busy guy.
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Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. |
Tim,
I will take a pair of extensions.
Thanks for taking the initiative to help us all out.
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
FWF, engine, wiring
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:41 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday
p.m.
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| Subject: | RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. |
Thanks Chris, I added you to my list.
Just a reminder to anyone in AU or NZ that is ordering these through
me, make sure you tell me and not just Tim. If I don't know about you
when Tim and I compare lists it will get dropped if I can't contact you
before the order is submitted.
I am paying Tim on your behalf so he doesn't have the headaches and
then you will pay me after you have received it. Essentially Tim is
getting these for me and then I'm selling/shipping them to you. I'll
ship them out and email you with the final cost. No one will pay me
back until you receive them. As of right now I have the following:
John Dunne
Indran Chelvanayagam
Neil Colliver
Chris Darcy
Michael
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris, Susie & Darcy [mailto:VHMUM@bigpond.com]
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 1:43 AM
Cc: RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by
Wednesday p.m.
I will take a set via Michael if that is ok.
Chris 388 Melbourne Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by
Wednesday p.m.
> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> Tim, throw me on the list.
>
> I would also like to add my services to this very nice offer. For
our
> brethren in OZ and NZ that may want to jump in on this, I will be
> willing to act as a proxy for you on two conditions. First you have
> been present and active on the list so I recognize you, and second I
> reserve the right to limit the number of people I proxy this to.
>
> This is only for Australia and New Zealand. If someone else wants to
> handle the UK or another part of the world more power to them.
Oceania
> is enough for me. :-) So if you are in one of those two locations and
> want a set let me know and I will ask Tim to add them to my order.
You
> will pay whatever I pay + the cost of shipping to your part of the
world
> and you can pay me via paypal also.
>
> Of course this is assuming Tim doesn't have a problem with it.
>
> Michael Sausen
> -10 #352 Limbo
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:41 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by
> Wednesday p.m.
>
>
> Good news, everyone...
>
> Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my
> drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from
> the install posted here:
>
>
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_o
> f_new_extensions
>
> Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and
> since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate
> a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least
> 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other
people
> were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to
> make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to
> see if pricing will be any lower.
>
> My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and
> $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)
>
> Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions
> for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them
> now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order
> them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's
> way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be
> a small delay before they start making them.
> You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's
> stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to
> cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit
> to paying for them.
>
> What you'll get:
> 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so
> they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly
> replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts,
> so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut.
> You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that
> will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall
> off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm
> going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3)
> MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required
> to attach them.
>
> Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16"
> and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring
> so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and
> torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill
> out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small
> cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins.
> Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw.
>
> Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to
> make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same
> time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the
> same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round
> any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and
> done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than
> my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair,
> all complete to your door with the hardware.
>
> One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going
> to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48
> states only so I can use USPS Priority mail.
>
> Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want
> them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm
> crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and
> it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep
> the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for
> this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably
> easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this
> because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and
> it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your
> local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that
> we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal
> or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because
> we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;)
> If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that
> they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're
> just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;)
>
> If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not
> proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first.
>
> Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. |
Thanks Tim, I will take one set for up to $60.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
CDNI Principal Engineer
Sprint PCS
16020 West 113th Street
Lenexa, KS 66219
Mailstop KSLNXK0101
(913) 859-1414 (Office)
(913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
(913) 859-1234 (Fax)
Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:41 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m.
Good news, everyone...
Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my
drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from
the install posted here:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of_new_extensions
Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and
since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate
a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least
2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people
were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to
make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to
see if pricing will be any lower.
My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and
$24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)
Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions
for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them
now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order
them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's
way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be
a small delay before they start making them.
You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's
stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to
cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit
to paying for them.
What you'll get:
1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so
they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly
replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts,
so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut.
You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that
will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall
off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm
going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3)
MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required
to attach them.
Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16"
and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring
so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and
torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill
out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small
cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins.
Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw.
Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to
make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same
time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the
same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round
any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and
done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than
my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair,
all complete to your door with the hardware.
One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going
to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48
states only so I can use USPS Priority mail.
Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want
them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm
crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and
it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep
the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for
this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably
easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this
because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and
it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your
local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that
we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal
or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because
we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;)
If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that
they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're
just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;)
If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not
proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first.
Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Tim for everyone in Europe and further East I will help with the
packaging and sending. Just send me the list of people and I will make
sure it gets out to them. I think there was one from Germany, and I do
not know how many others, but I can help.
Dan
N289DT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:18 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Wow!
I would have never guessed...my inbox is filling up as fast as I
can reply, and we're up to 72 now. I think I'm going to be a
busy guy.
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Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: How does this tank test kit work? |
You need to cut and paste the entire link, as it got truncated.
Dan
N289DT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of reubanks
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:16 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: How does this tank test kit work?
Couldnt view your URL you posted. Below is the error:
Henkjan's Van's RV10 PH-ZME
RV10
All
Notice: Undefined variable: log_date in
/home/content/a/e/r/aeroware2/html/users/display_log.php on line 174
Notice: strtotime(): Called with empty time parameter in
/home/content/a/e/r/aeroware2/html/users/templates/library/chart_functio
ns.php on line 28
1-29-2007
Unable to find a work log with the specified id or no id was specified.
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| Subject: | Re: How does this tank test kit work? |
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=phzme&project=1&categ
ory=0&log=27411&row=1
I'm no computer wizz, look at www.zme.nl, click at the kitlog logo, it's
the last entry at the log
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Namens reubanks
Verzonden: maandag 29 januari 2007 15:16
Aan: rv10-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: RV10-List: Re: How does this tank test kit work?
Couldnt view your URL you posted. Below is the error:
Henkjan's Van's RV10 PH-ZME
RV10
All
Notice: Undefined variable: log_date in
/home/content/a/e/r/aeroware2/html/users/display_log.php on line 174
Notice: strtotime(): Called with empty time parameter in
/home/content/a/e/r/aeroware2/html/users/templates/library/chart_functio
ns.php on line 28
1-29-2007
Unable to find a work log with the specified id or no id was specified.
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There you have it, another great guy steps up to the
plate to help those over the ocean.
What a group we have.
77 now. Dan, did you want them for you or are you just
doing the straight shaft ones on the cheap?
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
>
> Tim for everyone in Europe and further East I will help with the
> packaging and sending. Just send me the list of people and I will make
> sure it gets out to them. I think there was one from Germany, and I do
> not know how many others, but I can help.
>
> Dan
> N289DT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:18 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Wow!
>
>
> I would have never guessed...my inbox is filling up as fast as I
> can reply, and we're up to 72 now. I think I'm going to be a
> busy guy.
>
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| Subject: | Re: How does this tank test kit work? URL truncated |
simply, put always the link between <> then it's not truncated :o)
Henkjan van der Zouw wrote:
>
> http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=phzme&project=1&categ
> ory=0&log=27411&row=1
>
> I'm no computer wizz, look at www.zme.nl, click at the kitlog logo, it's
> the last entry at the log
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] Namens reubanks
> Verzonden: maandag 29 januari 2007 15:16
> Aan: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Onderwerp: RV10-List: Re: How does this tank test kit work?
>
>
> Couldnt view your URL you posted. Below is the error:
>
> Henkjan's Van's RV10 PH-ZME
> RV10
>
> All
>
>
> Notice: Undefined variable: log_date in
> /home/content/a/e/r/aeroware2/html/users/display_log.php on line 174
>
> Notice: strtotime(): Called with empty time parameter in
> /home/content/a/e/r/aeroware2/html/users/templates/library/chart_functio
> ns.php on line 28
> 1-29-2007
>
>
> Unable to find a work log with the specified id or no id was specified.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91266#91266
>
>
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| Subject: | Baggage door channel |
"The book" has you machine countersink the upper baggage door seal
channel for the platenut attach rivets, but it's very thin (0.025, I
think). I tried to squeeze a dimple in there with the separated dies
from my pop-rivet dimple, and just messed it up. Countersinking was
worse - when I tried to get deep enough, I enlarged the hole.
Here's an approach that works:
Drill #40 the rivet holes as instructed, but continue all the way
through the back of the piece. Enlarge the holes in the back to 9/64"
to pass the nail head of the pop rivet dimpler. Insert the nail a
little way, slip on the female die, and continue as usual.
FWIW
John Ackerman
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Tim, please add me to the list. I was gonna get the really nice ones,
but the price difference is too convincing.
One suggestion - it might be best if the transition in diameter were
made with a generous radius ( like even 1/4" or more), rather than a
"sharp" inside corner.
I can't tell from your photos what the radius is.
Thanks a bunch for doing this! You continue to be one hell of an
asset to the community.
Best
John Ackerman
On Jan 29, 2007, at 7:18 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I would have never guessed...my inbox is filling up as fast as I
> can reply, and we're up to 72 now. I think I'm going to be a
> busy guy.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How does this tank test kit work? |
Sorry but I only had one valve, the blue cap and a description in my kit and thats
ist. I wonder how you fit this to the standard fuel finger without additional
hardware.
Thanks
Michael
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| Subject: | Baggage door channel |
Next tell us how you squeeze the rivets.
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>From: John Ackerman <johnag5b@cableone.net>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Baggage door channel
>Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:47:45 -0700
>
>
>"The book" has you machine countersink the upper baggage door seal
>channel for the platenut attach rivets, but it's very thin (0.025, I
>think). I tried to squeeze a dimple in there with the separated dies from
>my pop-rivet dimple, and just messed it up. Countersinking was worse -
>when I tried to get deep enough, I enlarged the hole.
>
>Here's an approach that works:
>Drill #40 the rivet holes as instructed, but continue all the way through
>the back of the piece. Enlarge the holes in the back to 9/64" to pass the
>nail head of the pop rivet dimpler. Insert the nail a little way, slip on
>the female die, and continue as usual.
>FWIW
>John Ackerman
>
>
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Ok, if Europe is possible too please add me to the list as well!
Michael Wellenzohn (Switzerland)
LloydDR(at)wernerco.com wrote:
> Tim for everyone in Europe and further East I will help with the
> packaging and sending. Just send me the list of people and I will make
> sure it gets out to them. I think there was one from Germany, and I do
> not know how many others, but I can help.
>
> Dan
> N289DT
>
> --
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday |
p.m.
Thanks Tim. Mauledriver will take one.
Bill "finally closed up the trim tabs and riveting the tailcone" Watson
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Good news, everyone...
>
> Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my
> drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from
> the install posted here:
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage door channel |
All joking aside, I'm thinking about enlarging the access hole a bit
more and driving solid rivets using a big drift punch as bucking
bar... I really don't want a Big hole back there, though. We'll see
when the replacement part gets here.
I used the original to verify the dimpling technique, may use it to
try to set a rivet or 2 for practice.
Comments, anybody? What am I missing?
John Ackerman
On Jan 29, 2007, at 9:09 AM, John Gonzalez wrote:
> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
> Next tell us how you squeeze the rivets.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>> From: John Ackerman <johnag5b@cableone.net>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Baggage door channel
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:47:45 -0700
>>
>> <johnag5b@cableone.net>
>>
>> "The book" has you machine countersink the upper baggage door
>> seal channel for the platenut attach rivets, but it's very thin
>> (0.025, I think). I tried to squeeze a dimple in there with the
>> separated dies from my pop-rivet dimple, and just messed it up.
>> Countersinking was worse - when I tried to get deep enough, I
>> enlarged the hole.
>>
>> Here's an approach that works:
>> Drill #40 the rivet holes as instructed, but continue all the way
>> through the back of the piece. Enlarge the holes in the back to
>> 9/64" to pass the nail head of the pop rivet dimpler. Insert the
>> nail a little way, slip on the female die, and continue as usual.
>> FWIW
>> John Ackerman
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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My cheapo ones are done. Don Gray made them locally for me.
Just let me know how many I need to do and we will make it happen ASAP
for our friends out east!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wow!
There you have it, another great guy steps up to the
plate to help those over the ocean.
What a group we have.
77 now. Dan, did you want them for you or are you just
doing the straight shaft ones on the cheap?
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
<LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>
> Tim for everyone in Europe and further East I will help with the
> packaging and sending. Just send me the list of people and I will make
> sure it gets out to them. I think there was one from Germany, and I do
> not know how many others, but I can help.
>
> Dan
> N289DT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:18 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Wow!
>
>
> I would have never guessed...my inbox is filling up as fast as I
> can reply, and we're up to 72 now. I think I'm going to be a
> busy guy.
>
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| Subject: | forward closeout panel???????????????????? |
I am ready to paint the cockpit and i am wondering why there is no closeout
panel in the area just below the NACA vents on the fuselage sides, forward
of the pilot and co pilot seats. Our battery cables and all wiring and air
lines eminate out of the fuse sides and they are just hanging there.
Anyone that is finished or near completion, why did Van's not put in any
nutplate holes in the vertical and horizontal cross members in this area. Is
there no need to closout the area because everything bends up into the upper
area behind the instrument panel?
What have people been doing in this area??
Thanks,
JOhn G.
# 409
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage door channel |
I alterred the back side with a dremel tool to allow the access. Can't
remember whether I back rivetted or used rthe pneumatic rivetter. It's not
structural and anyone really wanting to get in is going to really get in no
matter what.
John G.
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>From: John Ackerman <johnag5b@cableone.net>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Baggage door channel
>Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:33:29 -0700
>
>
>All joking aside, I'm thinking about enlarging the access hole a bit more
>and driving solid rivets using a big drift punch as bucking bar... I
>really don't want a Big hole back there, though. We'll see when the
>replacement part gets here.
> I used the original to verify the dimpling technique, may use it to try
>to set a rivet or 2 for practice.
>Comments, anybody? What am I missing?
>John Ackerman
>
>On Jan 29, 2007, at 9:09 AM, John Gonzalez wrote:
>
>>
>>Next tell us how you squeeze the rivets.
>>
>>Do Not Archive
>>
>>
>>>From: John Ackerman <johnag5b@cableone.net>
>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: RV10-List: Baggage door channel
>>>Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:47:45 -0700
>>>
>>>
>>>"The book" has you machine countersink the upper baggage door seal
>>>channel for the platenut attach rivets, but it's very thin (0.025, I
>>>think). I tried to squeeze a dimple in there with the separated dies
>>>from my pop-rivet dimple, and just messed it up. Countersinking was
>>>worse - when I tried to get deep enough, I enlarged the hole.
>>>
>>>Here's an approach that works:
>>>Drill #40 the rivet holes as instructed, but continue all the way
>>>through the back of the piece. Enlarge the holes in the back to 9/64"
>>>to pass the nail head of the pop rivet dimpler. Insert the nail a
>>>little way, slip on the female die, and continue as usual.
>>>FWIW
>>>John Ackerman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | forward closeout panel???????????????????? |
Contact Abby at Flightline Interiors, she makes great panels to cover
the entire inside of the plane. They come out nice and are affordable.
Dan
N289DT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:39 AM
Subject: RV10-List: forward closeout panel????????????????????
<indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
I am ready to paint the cockpit and i am wondering why there is no
closeout
panel in the area just below the NACA vents on the fuselage sides,
forward
of the pilot and co pilot seats. Our battery cables and all wiring and
air
lines eminate out of the fuse sides and they are just hanging there.
Anyone that is finished or near completion, why did Van's not put in any
nutplate holes in the vertical and horizontal cross members in this
area. Is
there no need to closout the area because everything bends up into the
upper
area behind the instrument panel?
What have people been doing in this area??
Thanks,
JOhn G.
# 409
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| Subject: | Baggage door channel |
Blind rivets? As they are behind the striker plate?
No body will know if you do not tell them....oops
Dan
N289DT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ackerman
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Baggage door channel
All joking aside, I'm thinking about enlarging the access hole a bit
more and driving solid rivets using a big drift punch as bucking
bar... I really don't want a Big hole back there, though. We'll see
when the replacement part gets here.
I used the original to verify the dimpling technique, may use it to
try to set a rivet or 2 for practice.
Comments, anybody? What am I missing?
John Ackerman
On Jan 29, 2007, at 9:09 AM, John Gonzalez wrote:
> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
> Next tell us how you squeeze the rivets.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>> From: John Ackerman <johnag5b@cableone.net>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Baggage door channel
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:47:45 -0700
>>
>> <johnag5b@cableone.net>
>>
>> "The book" has you machine countersink the upper baggage door
>> seal channel for the platenut attach rivets, but it's very thin
>> (0.025, I think). I tried to squeeze a dimple in there with the
>> separated dies from my pop-rivet dimple, and just messed it up.
>> Countersinking was worse - when I tried to get deep enough, I
>> enlarged the hole.
>>
>> Here's an approach that works:
>> Drill #40 the rivet holes as instructed, but continue all the way
>> through the back of the piece. Enlarge the holes in the back to
>> 9/64" to pass the nail head of the pop rivet dimpler. Insert the
>> nail a little way, slip on the female die, and continue as usual.
>> FWIW
>> John Ackerman
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Hey Tim,
When you get a price fot the axle extensions nailed down, let us know.
I'll send you my check ASAP. No need for you to hang your but on the line
financially.
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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Hi Tim,
My time spent estimating tells me that these are costing $11.00 each
after the initial set up costs... so that an order of 150 pieces
should wind up around 14.50 each... or $29.00 per pair... but I'd
imagine that you're really going to be looking at ordering between
250 and 300 pieces by the time the dust settles on this. For
example,I think I'll be ordering two pair, as Nick Gautier is
building around the corner from me and I just need to confirm that he
wants them as well.
I am concerned that you'll be spending a big chunk of your time
shipping these out as the list grows and don't think any of us want
you to have to go through all that. Perhaps the manufacturer is set
up for UPS shipping and for a nominal fee they can handle that for
you. I'd be happy to forgo some of the savings from this amazing
group buy to save you that time and effort.... or you could drop ship
a batch to me and a few others around the country and we could split
up the work of getting them all out.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On Jan 29, 2007, at 7:05 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> There you have it, another great guy steps up to the
> plate to help those over the ocean.
>
> What a group we have.
>
> 77 now. Dan, did you want them for you or are you just
> doing the straight shaft ones on the cheap?
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>> Tim for everyone in Europe and further East I will help with the
>> packaging and sending. Just send me the list of people and I will
>> make
>> sure it gets out to them. I think there was one from Germany, and
>> I do
>> not know how many others, but I can help.
>> Dan
>> N289DT -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:18 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Wow!
>> I would have never guessed...my inbox is filling up as fast as I
>> can reply, and we're up to 72 now. I think I'm going to be a
>> busy guy.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: forward closeout panel???????????????????? |
John,
I think Van's sells a closout panel for this area in the wiring harness
kit. Others can correct me if I'm wrong.
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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No problem Jeff. I've had a bunch of offers of help, but what gets
me is that if I shipped them somewhere for reshipping, that just
increases the cost...so I'm trying to keep it low. You're probably
right on the pricing...the old quote for 40 was $17.75, so it's
likely going to be lower now by a ways. I'm up to 90 people, for
180 units. At $15 that's $2700 to spend on the machining. ;)
It's far more quantity than I figured it would be, but it's
do-able. As long as people are helping with the international
stuff, that makes it easier. The reason I went USPS is because
you get the box for free and it's a flat-rate charge that should
be identical. I doubt that the manufacturer will want to deal
with shipping, but for this one-shot thing, I don't mind.
We'll just see how good it all gets. I know some people are
wanting these a.s.a.p, so I'm going to hold to a Thursday
8am CST deadline and then just have some made up. At that point
at least I'll know how much hardware to order. Glad I didn't
do that this a.m. or I'd be WAAAY short.
You know, this would make a heck of a lot more sense if I was
still building and needed a pair. Call me a sucker, but
you guys have just grown on me over the past 3 years. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> My time spent estimating tells me that these are costing $11.00 each
> after the initial set up costs... so that an order of 150 pieces should
> wind up around 14.50 each... or $29.00 per pair... but I'd imagine that
> you're really going to be looking at ordering between 250 and 300 pieces
> by the time the dust settles on this. For example,I think I'll be
> ordering two pair, as Nick Gautier is building around the corner from me
> and I just need to confirm that he wants them as well.
>
> I am concerned that you'll be spending a big chunk of your time shipping
> these out as the list grows and don't think any of us want you to have
> to go through all that. Perhaps the manufacturer is set up for UPS
> shipping and for a nominal fee they can handle that for you. I'd be
> happy to forgo some of the savings from this amazing group buy to save
> you that time and effort.... or you could drop ship a batch to me and a
> few others around the country and we could split up the work of getting
> them all out.
>
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2007, at 7:05 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
>>
>> There you have it, another great guy steps up to the
>> plate to help those over the ocean.
>>
>> What a group we have.
>>
>> 77 now. Dan, did you want them for you or are you just
>> doing the straight shaft ones on the cheap?
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
>>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>>> Tim for everyone in Europe and further East I will help with the
>>> packaging and sending. Just send me the list of people and I will make
>>> sure it gets out to them. I think there was one from Germany, and I do
>>> not know how many others, but I can help.
>>> Dan
>>> N289DT -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>>> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:18 AM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Wow!
>>> I would have never guessed...my inbox is filling up as fast as I
>>> can reply, and we're up to 72 now. I think I'm going to be a
>>> busy guy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | forward closeout panel???????????????????? |
You only get the left side....at least that is all I got. The directions
say to run the wires up and around on the right side. For me it does not
matter since I got the interior done by Abbey, but I put the left side panel
in anyway.
Rene' Felker
40322
N423CF
801-721-6080
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hasbrouck
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: forward closeout panel????????????????????
John,
I think Van's sells a closout panel for this area in the wiring harness
kit. Others can correct me if I'm wrong.
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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| Subject: | RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. |
Michael
Can you please add me to the list for down under!
Regards
Evan Andrews 40379
Gladstone, Australia
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Monday, 29 January 2007 11:32 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by
Wednesday p.m.
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Tim, throw me on the list.
I would also like to add my services to this very nice offer. For our
brethren in OZ and NZ that may want to jump in on this, I will be
willing to act as a proxy for you on two conditions. First you have
been present and active on the list so I recognize you, and second I
reserve the right to limit the number of people I proxy this to.
This is only for Australia and New Zealand. If someone else wants to
handle the UK or another part of the world more power to them. Oceania
is enough for me. :-) So if you are in one of those two locations and
want a set let me know and I will ask Tim to add them to my order. You
will pay whatever I pay + the cost of shipping to your part of the world
and you can pay me via paypal also.
Of course this is assuming Tim doesn't have a problem with it.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Limbo
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:41 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by
Wednesday p.m.
Good news, everyone...
Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my
drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from
the install posted here:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_o
f_new_extensions
Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and
since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate
a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least
2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people
were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to
make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to
see if pricing will be any lower.
My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and
$24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)
Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions
for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them
now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order
them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's
way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be
a small delay before they start making them.
You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's
stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to
cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit
to paying for them.
What you'll get:
1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so
they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly
replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts,
so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut.
You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that
will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall
off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm
going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3)
MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required
to attach them.
Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16"
and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring
so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and
torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill
out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small
cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins.
Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw.
Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to
make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same
time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the
same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round
any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and
done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than
my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair,
all complete to your door with the hardware.
One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going
to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48
states only so I can use USPS Priority mail.
Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want
them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm
crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and
it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep
the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for
this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably
easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this
because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and
it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your
local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that
we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal
or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because
we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;)
If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that
they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're
just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;)
If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not
proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first.
Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Hello Deems, Can you contact me off the list or email me a phone
number? I would like to talk to you regarding OP Technologies.
Thanks, Rob.
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For those who can wait , how about picking them up as Sun-N-Fun? I don't m
ind waiting for mine and picking it up there. Saves Tim some work and save
s some shipping costs. Tim, if you won't be going to Sun-N-Fun you can sen
d them to me and I will distribute them.=0A=0ABy the way Tim I would like a
set also.=0A=0ANiko=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Tim Olson
<Tim@MyRV10.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, January 29,
2007 1:46:29 PM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Wow!=0A=0A=0A--> RV10-List messag
e posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>=0A=0ANo problem Jeff. I've had a bu
nch of offers of help, but what gets=0Ame is that if I shipped them somewhe
re for reshipping, that just=0Aincreases the cost...so I'm trying to keep i
t low. You're probably=0Aright on the pricing...the old quote for 40 was $
17.75, so it's=0Alikely going to be lower now by a ways. I'm up to 90 peop
le, for=0A180 units. At $15 that's $2700 to spend on the machining. ;)=0AI
t's far more quantity than I figured it would be, but it's=0Ado-able. As l
ong as people are helping with the international=0Astuff, that makes it eas
ier. The reason I went USPS is because=0Ayou get the box for free and it's
a flat-rate charge that should=0Abe identical. I doubt that the manufact
urer will want to deal=0Awith shipping, but for this one-shot thing, I don'
t mind.=0AWe'll just see how good it all gets. I know some people are=0Awa
nting these a.s.a.p, so I'm going to hold to a Thursday=0A8am CST deadline
and then just have some made up. At that point=0Aat least I'll know how mu
ch hardware to order. Glad I didn't=0Ado that this a.m. or I'd be WAAAY sh
ort.=0A=0AYou know, this would make a heck of a lot more sense if I was=0As
till building and needed a pair. Call me a sucker, but=0Ayou guys have jus
t grown on me over the past 3 years. ;)=0A=0A=0ATim Olson - RV-10 N104CD -
Flying=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0AJeff Carpenter wrote:=0A> --> RV10-List mes
sage posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>=0A> =0A> Hi Tim,=0A
> =0A> My time spent estimating tells me that these are costing $11.00 each
=0A> after the initial set up costs... so that an order of 150 pieces shou
ld =0A> wind up around 14.50 each... or $29.00 per pair... but I'd imagine
that =0A> you're really going to be looking at ordering between 250 and 300
pieces =0A> by the time the dust settles on this. For example,I think I'l
l be =0A> ordering two pair, as Nick Gautier is building around the corner
from me =0A> and I just need to confirm that he wants them as well.=0A> =0A
> I am concerned that you'll be spending a big chunk of your time shipping
=0A> these out as the list grows and don't think any of us want you to have
=0A> to go through all that. Perhaps the manufacturer is set up for UPS
=0A> shipping and for a nominal fee they can handle that for you. I'd be
=0A> happy to forgo some of the savings from this amazing group buy to save
=0A> you that time and effort.... or you could drop ship a batch to me and
a =0A> few others around the country and we could split up the work of get
ting =0A> them all out.=0A> =0A> =0A> Jeff Carpenter=0A> 40304=0A> =0A> =0A
> On Jan 29, 2007, at 7:05 AM, Tim Olson wrote:=0A> =0A>> --> RV10-List mes
sage posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>=0A>>=0A>> There you have it, ano
ther great guy steps up to the=0A>> plate to help those over the ocean.=0A>
>=0A>> What a group we have.=0A>>=0A>> 77 now. Dan, did you want them for
you or are you just=0A>> doing the straight shaft ones on the cheap?=0A>>
=0A>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying=0A>> do not archive=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>
el R." =0A>>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>=0A>>> Tim for everyone in Europe and f
urther East I will help with the=0A>>> packaging and sending. Just send me
the list of people and I will make=0A>>> sure it gets out to them. I think
there was one from Germany, and I do=0A>>> not know how many others, but I
can help.=0A>>> Dan=0A>>> N289DT -----Original Message-----=0A>>> From: own
er-rv10-list-server@matronics.com=0A>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matr
onics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson=0A>>> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:18
AM=0A>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com=0A>>> Subject: RV10-List: Wow!=0A>>>
ave never guessed...my inbox is filling up as fast as I=0A>>> can reply, an
d we're up to 72 now. I think I'm going to be a=0A>>> busy guy.=0A>>=0A>>
============
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| Subject: | RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. |
Tim,
I would like a set.
Rob Hunter
Wings 40432
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Dunne
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 8:44 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by
Wednesday p.m.
Michael and Tim,
I would like a set and thanks for your kind offer.
Please advise me offlist and I can arrange funds transfer to you. John
40315 Do Not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Monday, 29 January 2007 11:32 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by
Wednesday p.m.
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Tim, throw me on the list.
I would also like to add my services to this very nice offer. For our
brethren in OZ and NZ that may want to jump in on this, I will be
willing to act as a proxy for you on two conditions. First you have
been present and active on the list so I recognize you, and second I
reserve the right to limit the number of people I proxy this to.
This is only for Australia and New Zealand. If someone else wants to
handle the UK or another part of the world more power to them. Oceania
is enough for me. :-) So if you are in one of those two locations and
want a set let me know and I will ask Tim to add them to my order. You
will pay whatever I pay + the cost of shipping to your part of the world
and you can pay me via paypal also.
Of course this is assuming Tim doesn't have a problem with it.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Limbo
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:41 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by
Wednesday p.m.
Good news, everyone...
Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my
drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from the
install posted here:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_o
f_new_extensions
Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and since
some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate a group
order for extensions that look like these. I had at least 2 quotes come
back with costs significantly lower than what other people were saying.
My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to make than the
final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to see if pricing
will be any lower.
My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and
$24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)
Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions
for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them
now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order them
from the machining company and get the hardware on it's way to me. They
need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be a small delay before
they start making them. You do not need to send payment right
away...Yes, I know, that's stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for
well over $1000 to cover the production, but only if the buyers are
willing to commit to paying for them.
What you'll get:
1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so they
don't require the large flat washer. They should directly replace the
original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts, so you have one as a
spare, for bolting them to the axle nut. You'll also get (3) MS24693C298
screws for the outer ends, that will be 1/4" longer than original so
they don't back out and fall off as easily (mine almost came out...use
loctite!) And, I'm going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and
(3) MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required to
attach them.
Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16" and
deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring so much
;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and torque.
Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill out the hole and
the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small cotter pins, install
the axle nuts and pin with the large pins. Then secure the fairing with
the 1/4" stainless machine screw.
Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to make it
easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same time, and I'll
throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the same time. I'll split the
costs of everything evenly, and round any costs up to the next highest
dollar. When all is said and done, I'll tell you if the total with
shipping is any higher than my expectations...which would be between $45
and $55 per pair, all complete to your door with the hardware.
One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going to
make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48 states only
so I can use USPS Priority mail.
Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want
them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm crazy
enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and it might
be harder to get a good list of people together to keep the price down.
If for some reason we can't get 10 people for this order, I won't
bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably easily make the 20
pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this because after
installing them I know they worked well for me, and it'll keep you all
from spending a fortune on one-offs from your local machinist. In the
spirit of "no up front money" that we have today, you can send your
payment either via paypal or by check after you get them. I know
everyone will pay up, because we're all nice people and if you don't,
I'll tell the list on you. ;) If you pay by paypal though, add a little
to cover the fees that they charge. Tips are not required, but will be
accepted if you're just so happy after getting them that you really want
to. ;)
If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not
proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first.
Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Not that it's a bad suggestion, but I'd really like to just
get these things made and get them in people's hands.
I just weighed one, and it looks like 3.6oz each, so it
should easily fit into the USPS flat boxes and it's
I think only $4.05 or at most $4.85 for shipping then. That
way everyone has them, and they feel happy to have spent
the money because they actually received them. With today's
issues, reminded by the recent D2AV debacle, I'd rather
see them out the door and not have anyone waiting too long.
Just saw Symphony aircraft closed up and left it's deposited
buyers holding nothing.....the assets of the company won't
cover the deposits they'd owe. So since Sh-tuff happens,
I'd like to just see everyone satisfied a.s.a.p.
BTW: We're up to 97 people so far.
I spoke with the machining company today to verify the design
with him since I changed it a tad from the original quote,
and to stress that I wanted 3/4" threaded depths. They're
doing it on CNC and they may buy some special taps to do the
threads that deep in aluminum. I asked about leadtime and
he thinks about 2 weeks would do it. Price wise, he
said the big drop was 20 to 40 quantity, and while it may drop
more, it probably won't drop much from the $17.75 previously
quoted. Disappointing to hear, but understandable since
they gain the efficiency by doing a certain quantity for
machine setup, but beyond that the efficiencies get smaller and
smaller. I'll doublecheck with another place in town too.
As for hardware, from ACS I can get all the hardware except I
it looks like I can quite get 300 of the stainless screws today...
so unless they get stock before they ship (they're supposed to)
there may be some that can only go out with 2 screws, instead
of the 3. I just added 1 to each hardware item to guarantee
if you broke/damaged/lost one you'd have a spare. I'm sure
that won't be a deal killer for anyone though....one screw.
But, if they get them in stock, I'll get them here.
So we're looking good.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Niko wrote:
> For those who can wait , how about picking them up as Sun-N-Fun? I
> don't mind waiting for mine and picking it up there. Saves Tim some
> work and saves some shipping costs. Tim, if you won't be going to
> Sun-N-Fun you can send them to me and I will distribute them.
>
> By the way Tim I would like a set also.
>
> Niko
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 1:46:29 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wow!
>
>
> No problem Jeff. I've had a bunch of offers of help, but what gets
> me is that if I shipped them somewhere for reshipping, that just
> increases the cost...so I'm trying to keep it low. You're probably
> right on the pricing...the old quote for 40 was $17.75, so it's
> likely going to be lower now by a ways. I'm up to 90 people, for
> 180 units. At $15 that's $2700 to spend on the machining. ;)
> It's far more quantity than I figured it would be, but it's
> do-able. As long as people are helping with the international
> stuff, that makes it easier. The reason I went USPS is because
> you get the box for free and it's a flat-rate charge that should
> be identical. I doubt that the manufacturer will want to deal
> with shipping, but for this one-shot thing, I don't mind.
> We'll just see how good it all gets. I know some people are
> wanting these a.s.a.p, so I'm going to hold to a Thursday
> 8am CST deadline and then just have some made up. At that point
> at least I'll know how much hardware to order. Glad I didn't
> do that this a.m. or I'd be WAAAY short.
>
> You know, this would make a heck of a lot more sense if I was
> still building and needed a pair. Call me a sucker, but
> you guys have just grown on me over the past 3 years. ;)
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Jeff Carpenter wrote:
> >
> > Hi Tim,
> >
> > My time spent estimating tells me that these are costing $11.00 each
> > after the initial set up costs... so that an order of 150 pieces should
> > wind up around 14.50 each... or $29.00 per pair... but I'd imagine that
> > you're really going to be looking at ordering between 250 and 300 pieces
> > by the time the dust settles on this. For example,I think I'll be
> > ordering two pair, as Nick Gautier is building around the corner from me
> > and I just need to confirm that he wants them as well.
> >
> > I am concerned that you'll be spending a big chunk of your time shipping
> > these out as the list grows and don't think any of us want you to have
> > to go through all that. Perhaps the manufacturer is set up for UPS
> > shipping and for a nominal fee they can handle that for you. I'd be
> > happy to forgo some of the savings from this amazing group buy to save
> > you that time and effort.... or you could drop ship a batch to me and a
> > few others around the country and we could split up the work of getting
> > them all out.
> >
> >
> > Jeff Carpenter
> > 40304
> >
> >
> > On Jan 29, 2007, at 7:05 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> There you have it, another great guy steps up to the
> >> plate to help those over the ocean.
> >>
> >> What a group we have.
> >>
> >> 77 now. Dan, did you want them for you or are you just
> >> doing the straight shaft ones on the cheap?
> >>
> >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> >> do not archive
> >>
> >>
> >> Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
> >>> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
> >>> Tim for everyone in Europe and further East I will help with the
> >>> packaging and sending. Just send me the list of people and I will make
> >>> sure it gets out to them. I think there was one from Germany, and I do
> >>> not know how many others, but I can help.
> >>> Dan
> >>> N289DT -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> >>> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:18 AM
> >>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >>> Subject: RV10-List: Wow!
> >>> I would have never guessed...my inbox is filling up as fast as I
> >>> can reply, and we're up to 72 now. I think I'm going to be a
> >>> busy guy.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > - The RV10-List Emailwww.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
> target=_blank>http://www.matronics &nb/forums.matronics.com/"
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| Subject: | Re: Tim's good deed |
In a message dated 1/29/07 1:02:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Hey Tim,
When you get a price fot the axle extensions nailed down, let us know.
I'll send you my check ASAP. No need for you to hang your but on the line
financially.
Tim let us know what the total estimated costs will be not only for the part
but the S&H...could be as much as the parts themselves?
P
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| Subject: | Re: Tim's good deed |
Right now, for US based people, I'm thinking that it should
end up being in the $45-50 USD range when all is said and done.
For those overseas, people like Dan and Mike will work with
you to come up with an economical way to do it, so it adds
the least cost. I've never shipped to the UK, NZ, AU, or
anywhere like that, so I have no idea myself.
I don't want any checks sent until at LEAST the time that I
have a 100% solid manufacture cost and shipping cost
and supplies. Then I should be able to give an exact
amount and at that point I'll be happy to get checks
coming this way. Hopefully everyone can get a check out
within the week that they receive them at least.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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GRANSCOTT@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 1/29/07 1:02:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com writes:
>
> <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
>
> Hey Tim,
> When you get a price fot the axle extensions nailed down, let us
> know.
> I'll send you my check ASAP. No need for you to hang your but on
> the line
> financially.
>
>
> Tim let us know what the total estimated costs will be not only for the
> part but the S&H...could be as much as the parts themselves?
>
> P
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| Subject: | Countersink W-1006E? |
I have a quick question about the "extra hole" referenced on page 13-2 in t
he W-1006E part. Should this hole be countersunk? I could not find anythi
ng in a future section of the wing assembly that indicates that a rivet wil
l be going there. Is there another purpose for the hole or is it simply to
orientate the part as described on 13-2? Thanks in advance.=0A=0A--Shawn
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| Subject: | Re: Countersink W-1006E? |
Doesn't matter; Nothing goes in that hole. I'd deburr it, but otherwise
its not used for anything.
-Jim 40384
Shawn Moon wrote:
> I have a quick question about the "extra hole" referenced on page 13-2
> in the W-1006E part. Should this hole be countersunk? I could not
> find anything in a future section of the wing assembly that indicates
> that a rivet will be going there. Is there another purpose for the
> hole or is it simply to orientate the part as described on 13-2?
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --Shawn
> 40366
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Tim,
I want a set. I also want to be #100 before JC contacts you. Will sen
d address info later but it is on the builders list.
Thanks,
DEAN
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> I remember a recent query (from Niko I think) about panel lettering.
> Let me share what I am doing.
>
> Objectives
> I prefer something removeable, rather than engraved or silk screened -
> provides greater flexibility in the future and I wanted to do it
> myself
> I wanted to use materials available locally - importing stuff to
> Australia is expensive
> I wanted something tough/waterproof.
> I wanted flexibility in the design eg use of Visio or a CAD package
>
> Solution
> Placard/label design was done using Visio (but any drawing package
> will work)
> [As an aside, once the full size label is done, print it onto clear
> adhesive label, stick it to the panel and use it as a template to
> drill your lamp/switch holes.]
> Use a Post Script color laser printer and print a mirror image on the
> Bottom side of an overhead transparency. This will mean the print is
> on the underside of the slide and the print is protected by the
> plastic.
> White does not print on most printers, so white lines/text will be
> clear on the transparency. Easy, spray a coat of white paint on the
> underside of the transparency (ie the same side as the print).
> The transparency will usually have a high gloss. Gently scuff the top
> surface with a scotch brite pad. Apply a light spray of clear satin
> acrylic - gloss gone!
> Apply some thin double sided tape leaving the backing on the panel
> side
> Punch the switch/lamp holes using a hole punch and trim the edges with
> a guillotine.
> Remove the tape backing and stick onto the panel.
> Voila!!!
>
> I tried this last night and the results are awesome. Infinite
> flexibility in placard design, waterproof and wear resistant label,
> and it cost me nothing! Attached is an example of one of the labels.
> YMMV, but it costs bugger all to give it a try <grin>.
>
> Cheers,
> Ron <<label.pdf>>
> finishing
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| Subject: | Baggage door channel |
I just rememberred what I did about the countersinking for the nutplates. I
too felt that the material was too thin to countersink so what I did was to
make a piece of hardwood that fit inside the the channel. I thin clamped it
down so it would not move then drilled the #40 rivet holes and then
countersank them. The idea being that the holes in the hardwood keep the
countersinking bit alighned. There was no issue with the bit wondering and
the depth of the countersink did not blow out the hole.
I reshaped the back of the channel for the smallest die on the pnuematic
riveter.
It worked out great for me. Turn down the valve on the compressor hose so
the pneumatic goes slow because if you are out of alignment, you ruin your
part.
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Now THAT's funny!! I put my name on the list too, so I
can have a pair to save and do something with later, an that
puts you at 100. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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ddddsp1@juno.com wrote:
> Tim,
>
> I want a set. I also want to be #100 before JC contacts you. Will
> send address info later but it is on the builders list.
>
> Thanks,
>
> DEAN
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. |
Hi Tim
I will also take a pair. Thanks.
James Stribling
4453 Mallard Point
Columbus, IN 47201
40140
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:41 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday
p.m.
Good news, everyone...
Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my
drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from
the install posted here:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of_ne
w_extensions
Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and
since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate
a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least
2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people
were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to
make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to
see if pricing will be any lower.
My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and
$24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)
Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions
for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them
now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order
them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's
way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be
a small delay before they start making them.
You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's
stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to
cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit
to paying for them.
What you'll get:
1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so
they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly
replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts,
so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut.
You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that
will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall
off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm
going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3)
MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required
to attach them.
Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16"
and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring
so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and
torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill
out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small
cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins.
Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw.
Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to
make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same
time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the
same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round
any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and
done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than
my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair,
all complete to your door with the hardware.
One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going
to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48
states only so I can use USPS Priority mail.
Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want
them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm
crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and
it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep
the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for
this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably
easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this
because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and
it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your
local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that
we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal
or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because
we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;)
If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that
they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're
just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;)
If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not
proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first.
Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Looking for input and suggestions on plumbing a fuel return.
I'm planning ahead and installing it in preparation for a future electronic
fuel system.
And farther out the diesel engine................. ;-)
Both systems will require a fuel return to the tank.
With the Subaru's(Eggenfellner) needing this now I assume it's being done
already.
They have a good instruction page on how to install a return in -6A on their
site.
ERic--
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| Subject: | Re: What bolts onto F1011E - rudder cable hold downs? |
Thanks for the reference. That's what I was looking for.
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John Hilger wrote:
> <ninepapa@bendbroadband.com>
>
> Those nutplates are for the clamps to secure tubes that locate the
> rudder cable.
> Vans hase you install them in section 38.
>
> John
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "MauleDriver" <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
> To: "RV10-List Digest Server" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:21 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: What bolts onto F1011E - rudder cable hold downs?
>
>
>>
>> I'm ready to close up the rear tailcone deck but I'm looking at
>> F1011E and see that 'something' bolts into the 2 nutplates. So far,
>> I just can't find the step or 'thing' that goes there.
>>
>> Should I bolt it in now?
>>
>> Thanks for any help here.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Countersink W-1006E? |
That's what I needed to know. Thanks.=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AF
rom: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mond
ay, January 29, 2007 3:53:51 PM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Countersink W-100
Doesn't matter; Nothing goes in that hole. I'd deburr it, but otherwise =0A
its not used for anything.=0A=0A-Jim 40384=0A=0AShawn Moon wrote:=0A=0A> I
have a quick question about the "extra hole" referenced on page 13-2 =0A> i
n the W-1006E part. Should this hole be countersunk? I could not =0A> fin
d anything in a future section of the wing assembly that indicates =0A> tha
t a rivet will be going there. Is there another purpose for the =0A> hole
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. |
Tim
Add my name to the list
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:41 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday
p.m.
>
> Good news, everyone...
>
> Today I installed the axle extensions that my friend made from my
> drawing and they worked out perfectly. I have some photos from
> the install posted here:
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html#Installation_of_new_extensions
>
> Now that I know they work, I'm going to do something stupid and
> since some people found high machining costs, I'm going to coordinate
> a group order for extensions that look like these. I had at least
> 2 quotes come back with costs significantly lower than what other people
> were saying. My earlier drawing might actually be more expensive to
> make than the final product drawing too. I'll have to re-quote it to
> see if pricing will be any lower.
>
> My present quote that I'd go on was: $17.75ea @ quantity 40 and
> $24.50ea @ quantity 20. (20 pairs and 10 pairs respectively)
>
> Now, what I'm going to do it this: If you want these extensions
> for your plane, I'm only planning to have one run made up, so get them
> now. Let me know by Wednesday night, and Thursday a.m. I'll order
> them from the machining company and get the hardware on it's
> way to me. They need to get the aluminum stock, so there will be
> a small delay before they start making them.
> You do not need to send payment right away...Yes, I know, that's
> stupid, but I'm planning to write a check for well over $1000 to
> cover the production, but only if the buyers are willing to commit
> to paying for them.
>
> What you'll get:
> 1 PAIR of Axle entensions, all drilled and tapped, 3-3/8" long so
> they don't require the large flat washer. They should directly
> replace the original part. You'll also get (3) AN5-6A bolts,
> so you have one as a spare, for bolting them to the axle nut.
> You'll also get (3) MS24693C298 screws for the outer ends, that
> will be 1/4" longer than original so they don't back out and fall
> off as easily (mine almost came out...use loctite!) And, I'm
> going to send you (3) MS24665-292 cotter pins, and (3)
> MS24665-362 cotter pins, so you have all of the hardware required
> to attach them.
>
> Your job: Drill your existing holes on the axle nuts out to 5/16"
> and deburr (I deburred mine today because I miss all the deburring
> so much ;) ) Then assemble the AN5 bolt/washer to the extension and
> torque. Then, use a #40 drill through the guide hole and drill
> out the hole and the bolt to #40. Pin them together with the small
> cotter pins, install the axle nuts and pin with the large pins.
> Then secure the fairing with the 1/4" stainless machine screw.
>
> Since this is something I'm not doing for profit, I'm going to
> make it easy on myself. They'll all be picked up at the same
> time, and I'll throw them all into USPS Priority mail at the
> same time. I'll split the costs of everything evenly, and round
> any costs up to the next highest dollar. When all is said and
> done, I'll tell you if the total with shipping is any higher than
> my expectations...which would be between $45 and $55 per pair,
> all complete to your door with the hardware.
>
> One exception: Since this isn't for-profit in any way, I'm going
> to make it easy on myself and limit it to the US continental 48
> states only so I can use USPS Priority mail.
>
> Again, I'll only be doing this group order one time, so if you want
> them, now's the time. After this order, if for some reason I'm
> crazy enough to do it again, I'd add on extra cost for the time, and
> it might be harder to get a good list of people together to keep
> the price down. If for some reason we can't get 10 people for
> this order, I won't bother, but my gut feeling is that we'll probably
> easily make the 20 pair (quantity 40) level. I just want to do this
> because after installing them I know they worked well for me, and
> it'll keep you all from spending a fortune on one-offs from your
> local machinist. In the spirit of "no up front money" that
> we have today, you can send your payment either via paypal
> or by check after you get them. I know everyone will pay up, because
> we're all nice people and if you don't, I'll tell the list on you. ;)
> If you pay by paypal though, add a little to cover the fees that
> they charge. Tips are not required, but will be accepted if you're
> just so happy after getting them that you really want to. ;)
>
> If the price for any reason looks like it'll be over $60, I will not
> proceed without contacting everyone who got on the list first.
>
> Email me at my email address if you want to get on the list.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>
>
>
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Eric:
I am still in the wing section and bought the same fittings for the vent
line. Placed them in the left tank and ran the tube 1/2 way down thru
the baffles. That way the return fuel will cool and dump into the
middle of the tank. I'd be glad to send a pic of where I put the exit
if you want one.
Does any body have any information on roll trim? Necessary? Got
asked that question and have not run across any information yet. I know
a lot of the RV 's have heavy wings and require a trim tab on one of the
ailerons. How is that different? When and where should that be
installed?
Thanks
Fred Williams
drfred@suddenlinkmail.com
40515
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With 30 gallon tanks that are pretty long, the -10 sometimes requires
a bit of Aileron trim, and it varies depending on your passengers and
fuel. I've found it much more necessary than on the Sundowner I flew,
because those tanks didn't go out from center as far. Shorter and
longer across the cord. It's a worthwhile option on the -10 though.
Easy to install. just mounts on one wing access plate and moves the
aileron pushrod with a bias spring and servo arrangement.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Fred Williams, M.D. wrote:
> <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>
> Eric:
>
> I am still in the wing section and bought the same fittings for the vent
> line. Placed them in the left tank and ran the tube 1/2 way down thru
> the baffles. That way the return fuel will cool and dump into the
> middle of the tank. I'd be glad to send a pic of where I put the exit
> if you want one.
> Does any body have any information on roll trim? Necessary? Got
> asked that question and have not run across any information yet. I know
> a lot of the RV 's have heavy wings and require a trim tab on one of the
> ailerons. How is that different? When and where should that be installed?
> Thanks
>
> Fred Williams
> drfred@suddenlinkmail.com
> 40515
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I agree with Tim.
Roll trim is a must.
Grumpy
40404 and flying
In a message dated 1/29/2007 8:18:39 PM Central Standard Time, Tim@MyRV10.com
writes:
With 30 gallon tanks that are pretty long, the -10 sometimes requires
a bit of Aileron trim, and it varies depending on your passengers and
fuel. I've found it much more necessary than on the Sundowner I flew,
because those tanks didn't go out from center as far. Shorter and
longer across the cord. It's a worthwhile option on the -10 though.
Easy to install. just mounts on one wing access plate and moves the
aileron pushrod with a bias spring and servo arrangement.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Fred Williams, M.D. wrote:
> <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>
> Eric:
>
> I am still in the wing section and bought the same fittings for the vent
> line. Placed them in the left tank and ran the tube 1/2 way down thru
> the baffles. That way the return fuel will cool and dump into the
> middle of the tank. I'd be glad to send a pic of where I put the exit
> if you want one.
> Does any body have any information on roll trim? Necessary? Got
> asked that question and have not run across any information yet. I know
> a lot of the RV 's have heavy wings and require a trim tab on one of the
> ailerons. How is that different? When and where should that be installed?
> Thanks
>
> Fred Williams
> drfred@suddenlinkmail.com
> 40515
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Why doesn't fuel management to maintain similar levels in the left and
right tank work?
Ron
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
GenGrumpy@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, 30 January 2007 12:51 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Return
I agree with Tim.
Roll trim is a must.
Grumpy
40404 and flying
In a message dated 1/29/2007 8:18:39 PM Central Standard Time,
Tim@MyRV10.com writes:
<Tim@MyRV10.com>
With 30 gallon tanks that are pretty long, the -10
sometimes requires
a bit of Aileron trim, and it varies depending on your
passengers and
fuel. I've found it much more necessary than on the
Sundowner I flew,
because those tanks didn't go out from center as far.
Shorter and
longer across the cord. It's a worthwhile option on the
-10 though.
Easy to install. just mounts on one wing access plate
and moves the
aileron pushrod with a bias spring and servo
arrangement.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Fred Williams, M.D. wrote:
> <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>
> Eric:
>
> I am still in the wing section and bought the same
fittings for the vent
> line. Placed them in the left tank and ran the tube
1/2 way down thru
> the baffles. That way the return fuel will cool and
dump into the
> middle of the tank. I'd be glad to send a pic of
where I put the exit
> if you want one.
> Does any body have any information on roll trim?
Necessary? Got
> asked that question and have not run across any
information yet. I know
> a lot of the RV 's have heavy wings and require a trim
tab on one of the
> ailerons. How is that different? When and where
should that be installed?
> Thanks
>
> Fred Williams
> drfred@suddenlinkmail.com
> 40515
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Anyone have a schematic on how Airflow's Pump/Filter combo bypasses if
clogged/failed?
I've written them and will post reply; hopefully someone has it on hand
already.
Rob Wright
#392
Fuse - Gear, controls, waiting for interior paint and a warm day!
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Trim (was Fuel Return) |
Van's Aircraft Electric Aileron Trim Kit Complete servo and spring bias
assembly for RV-10 Part Number = EA-10 Kit Price = $300.00
<http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1170124155-90-9&browse=airframe&product=ea-kit>
The ray allen servo mounts on one of the access panels of the wing and a
spring bias system applies the trim force directly to the aileron
control push rod.
You can Michael Sausen has a good write up in his kitlog
10/29/2005 here
<http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=msausen&project=22&category=0&log=5376&row=188>
and here 10/30/2005
<http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=msausen&project=22&category=0&log=6270&row=186>
or from my website here
<http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/Log/Wings/AileronTrim/index.html>
Larry Rosen
<http://lrosen.nerv10.com
Fred Williams, M.D. wrote:
> <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>
> Eric:
>
> I am still in the wing section and bought the same fittings for the
> vent line. Placed them in the left tank and ran the tube 1/2 way down
> thru the baffles. That way the return fuel will cool and dump into
> the middle of the tank. I'd be glad to send a pic of where I put the
> exit if you want one.
> Does any body have any information on roll trim? Necessary? Got
> asked that question and have not run across any information yet. I
> know a lot of the RV 's have heavy wings and require a trim tab on one
> of the ailerons. How is that different? When and where should that
> be installed?
> Thanks
>
> Fred Williams
> drfred@suddenlinkmail.com
> 40515
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Axle Extension Group Order - Reply by Wednesday p.m. |
Tim, add me to the buyers list please.
Andrew Rayhill
Phoenix
--------
Andrew Rayhill
RV-10 40078
Phoenix
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91484#91484
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Thanks for the replies.
Fred (pointed in the right direction/wings level) Williams
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Count me in Tim. Thanks for the work.
Rick Leach 40397
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Tim,
It seems there may an opportunity to get additional information with all this activity.
I would love to get a list of builder's websites if they are willing.
I believe you have around thirty listed on your site. You've now heard from
a hundred of them. Just a thought.
Thanks so much for everything.
Sean Blair
#40225
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Now THAT's funny!! I put my name on the list too, so I
> can have a pair to save and do something with later, an that
> puts you at 100. ;)
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> ddddsp1@juno.com wrote:
> > Tim,
> >
> > I want a set. I also want to be #100 before JC contacts you. Will
> > send address info later but it is on the builders list.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > DEAN
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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<DIV>Tim,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It seems there may an opportunity to get additional information with all this
activity. I would love to get a list of builder's websites if they are
willing. I believe you have around thirty listed on your site.
You've now heard from a hundred of them. Just a thought.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks so much for everything.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sean Blair</DIV>
<DIV>#40225 </DIV>
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I'm not saying that wouldn't help, but whereas some people switch
tanks back and forth a lot, some don't, and I do notice the -10
seems to get a heavy wing pretty easily based on loading
and fuel. So the easiest is just to compensate for both passengers
and fuel. But, you do have a point that proper fuel management
helps to reduce the reliance. I still recommend it though.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
McGANN, Ron wrote:
> Why doesn't fuel management to maintain similar levels in the left and
> right tank work?
>
> Ron
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *GenGrumpy@aol.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 30 January 2007 12:51 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Fuel Return
>
> I agree with Tim.
>
> Roll trim is a must.
>
> Grumpy
> 40404 and flying
>
> In a message dated 1/29/2007 8:18:39 PM Central Standard Time,
> Tim@MyRV10.com writes:
>
>
> With 30 gallon tanks that are pretty long, the -10 sometimes
> requires
> a bit of Aileron trim, and it varies depending on your
> passengers and
> fuel. I've found it much more necessary than on the Sundowner I
> flew,
> because those tanks didn't go out from center as far. Shorter and
> longer across the cord. It's a worthwhile option on the -10 though.
> Easy to install. just mounts on one wing access plate and moves the
> aileron pushrod with a bias spring and servo arrangement.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Fred Williams, M.D. wrote:
> > <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
> >
> > Eric:
> >
> > I am still in the wing section and bought the same fittings
> for the vent
> > line. Placed them in the left tank and ran the tube 1/2 way
> down thru
> > the baffles. That way the return fuel will cool and dump
> into the
> > middle of the tank. I'd be glad to send a pic of where I put
> the exit
> > if you want one.
> > Does any body have any information on roll trim? Necessary?
> Got
> > asked that question and have not run across any information
> yet. I know
> > a lot of the RV 's have heavy wings and require a trim tab on
> one of the
> > ailerons. How is that different? When and where should that
> be installed?
> > Thanks
> >
> > Fred Williams
> > drfred@suddenlinkmail.com
> > 40515
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Time to call it a day. Pretty much spent a lot of time
returning emails and making lists today. You guys are
pretty overwhelming. ;) You know, I had wondered if we
could get 20 people together to make the cost low. As
it turns out, today we're at 125....PEOPLE. That's 250
machined extensions. I am truly amazed. That's almost
1/5th of the current kit sales, all wanting parts within
a little over 24 hours. Total costs with my local sales
tax will come to just about $4700 at this point, if the
quote stays the same. And after that, there's bolts
and shipping and stuff. Whoda thunkit? But, RV guys
are about the most reliable people I've met, so as much
as it gets spooky, it's gonna happen. Still, no checks
should be sent yet. Let's get the total costs figured
out first. With a group this large, I'll have to
quick get an estimate on all the packaging stuff and
just make sure it all gets covered. I'm hoping that
a large number of people like Paypal, as it sure beats
going to the bank and writing a deposit slip up for
125 checks. ;) I checked on paypal fees and if I read
it right, it's 2.9%+ $.30, so it only adds about $1.75
roughly.
So there's about 36 hours left and I close the doors on
the deal and start the gears of procurement and production.
To you guys this may be a cool way to get some parts....
for me it's turning into a mind-blowing experience. ;)
I do appreciate all the offers of help. I just so far
think if I can just get all of you to send your mailing
addresses in so I can complete my spreadsheet fields,
it should go pretty smoothly.
Sorry that they told me to expect a 2 week timeframe
for manufacture. I'll see if I can get that reduced
if possible.
Thanks for the support for your positive comments.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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