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1. 05:23 AM - Re: paint shop re. Southeast (Wayne Edgerton)
2. 05:27 AM - Re: The RV Smile - continued (Wayne Edgerton)
3. 08:39 AM - Re: Electrical System Critique (Larry Rosen)
4. 03:46 PM - unbelievable!!! (eagerlee)
5. 04:09 PM - Re: unbelievable!!! (Tim Olson)
6. 04:44 PM - Re: unbelievable!!! (sean garrison)
7. 04:47 PM - Re: unbelievable!!! (rv10builder)
8. 05:08 PM - Re: Electrical System Critique (Tim Olson)
9. 05:09 PM - Re: unbelievable!!! (Tim Olson)
10. 05:20 PM - Re: unbelievable!!! (John W. Cox)
11. 06:14 PM - Re: unbelievable!!! (Scott Lewis)
12. 09:04 PM - Re: Introduction To List - Thanks & Spreadsheet (James S. Clark IV)
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| Subject: | Re: paint shop re. Southeast |
Go to this web address, it might be of help in your paint shop search.
http://www.vansairforce.net/paint.htm
I'm personally aware of Glo Custom which is at Northwest Regional
airport 52F just north of Fort Worth. They do great work and currently
charge around $8,000, it may have changed some but I don't think so. The
problem is Grady is so good he's booked out over a year I think, so a
person needs to get in the queue early on.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
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| Subject: | Re: The RV Smile - continued |
Hey Jack,
Do you always send encrypted messages :>} What the heck was that.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
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Time: 08:45:53 AM PST US
Subject: The RV Smile - continued
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical System Critique |
John,
I have not seen much response, so I will add my 2 cents.
The list is long. Much of which are things to consider. The design you
have is safe and will work just fine. Just some of my thoughts.
I do not see anything in the equipment list to allow GPS navigation.
Are you adding a Freeflight GPS to the Chelton?
You have a 30 amp battery bus feed that is longer than 6" it should have
a contactor. But the contactor would not make it a battery bus. The
only load that needs to be on the battery bus would be the electric
ignition and maybe the dome lights. Then you can have a 10 amp battery
bus. Another feed with a contactor would feed the other loads.
Why the double pole switch for the e-bus feed and the standby battery
switch?
replace the double pole avionics master with 2 switches to eliminate the
single point failure to the avionics bus and endurance bus.
Do you need the transponder on the e-bus? (it is on mine also)
Consider moving the pitot and to the main bus.
Why a 50 amp ANL from the alternator. Change to 60 and 6awg wire. You
show 43 amps max. Is that with zero diversity? I thought at one point
you had 58 amps max intermittent load.
Why 16awg wire to the starter on light? with a 1amp fuse you only need
22awg. Consider a fusable link in lieu of the fuse. Whose starter? I
have not seen this wiring detail.
Starter contactor. BNC has the diode internal, Vans does not have a
diode. I am using Perihelion designs snap jacks (bi-directional zener)
in lieu of the diode.
The wire from the alternator to the ALT out light then goes to a 1 amp
fuse/breaker on a bus.
Are you using the same fat wire from the starter contactor to the starter?
Consider using shotkey diodes everywhere. Low voltage drop.
You have the EIS (AFS 3400) fed through diodes from both the main bus
and the endurance bus. This will give you an inaccurate voltage
reading. The AFS3400 has dual power feeds pin 1 & 15. This would give
you voltage on the main bus & e-bus which could be nice to have.
Doesn't the AFS 3400 have internal diodes to prevent drain of its
internal battery?
Do you want to power the pinpoint MSU & GADAHRS from both the Avionics
and e-bus for some redundancy. It also has dual power inputs.
Are you adding a switch on the panel for the pinpoint GADAHRS compass
swing & alignment procedure (pin 16)?
Any switch to activate/deactivate the functions of the co pilot stick
grip (assuming some sort of grip with switches)
Trim on the ebus, I would assume that is pitch trim. How about roll
trim? Rudder trim?
Larry Rosen
#356
John Testement wrote:
> I am pretty close to finalizing my electrical system and would really
> like to have some knowledgeable folks give it a rigorous critique. I
> have attached a Word document with my objectives, panel layout and
> schematic. If any of you are willing, I would really appreciate your
> taking the time to study the design and give me your recommendations.
>
> Feel free to contact me offline or call me at 804-303-1927
>
> Thanks in advance to those who give me some input.
>
> John Testement
> jwt@roadmapscoaching.com <mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
> 40321
> Richmond, VA
> FWF, engine, wiring
> do not archive
>
> --
>
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someone bid 100,000 on the RV-10 (item # 180081108309) on e-bay. Check
out the winner's feedback and see if you can imagine a nightmare deal in
the making. It just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser.
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| Subject: | Re: unbelievable!!! |
I think it's time we all bow our heads for a moment of silence
and perhaps a moment of prayer. "Lord please help keep this
aircraft from affecting our insurance records."
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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eagerlee wrote:
> someone bid 100,000 on the RV-10 (item # 180081108309) on e-bay. Check
> out the winner's feedback and see if you can imagine a nightmare deal in
> the making. It just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser.
>
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I think it just proves that PT Barnum was correct. "There's a sucker born
every Minute".
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: unbelievable!!!
I think it's time we all bow our heads for a moment of silence
and perhaps a moment of prayer. "Lord please help keep this
aircraft from affecting our insurance records."
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
eagerlee wrote:
> someone bid 100,000 on the RV-10 (item # 180081108309) on e-bay. Check
> out the winner's feedback and see if you can imagine a nightmare deal in
> the making. It just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser.
>
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| Subject: | Re: unbelievable!!! |
Looks like a comic book trader decided to buy an RV-10? The likely
answer is that a con in Nigeria hijacked this eBay account and will try
to work a "if I send you a check for $120K will you wire me $20K back
and I'll be there to pick up the kit..."
do not archive
eagerlee wrote:
> someone bid 100,000 on the RV-10 (item # 180081108309) on e-bay.
> Check out the winner's feedback and see if you can imagine a nightmare
> deal in the making. It just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser.
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical System Critique |
I have 2 very minor notes to add.
1: I'm finding my running load with landing lights is somewhere around
36A. (Not with flaps and trim moving). Just a data point.
2: As far as that pinpoint pin 16 switch, I would hide that switch
behind the panel. You'll never use it once you are done calibrating,
and I'm not only confused as to why some dealers think it should
be there, but I think it's a bad idea. If they insist on putting
it on the panel, insist on them not labeling it, so you can move it
somewhere else behind the panel....then stick a switch for something
else in that hole. I've not touched mine since it was calibrated.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Larry Rosen wrote:
>
> John,
> I have not seen much response, so I will add my 2 cents.
> The list is long. Much of which are things to consider. The design you
> have is safe and will work just fine. Just some of my thoughts.
>
> I do not see anything in the equipment list to allow GPS navigation.
> Are you adding a Freeflight GPS to the Chelton?
>
> You have a 30 amp battery bus feed that is longer than 6" it should have
> a contactor. But the contactor would not make it a battery bus. The
> only load that needs to be on the battery bus would be the electric
> ignition and maybe the dome lights. Then you can have a 10 amp battery
> bus. Another feed with a contactor would feed the other loads.
>
> Why the double pole switch for the e-bus feed and the standby battery
> switch?
>
> replace the double pole avionics master with 2 switches to eliminate the
> single point failure to the avionics bus and endurance bus.
>
> Do you need the transponder on the e-bus? (it is on mine also)
>
> Consider moving the pitot and to the main bus.
>
> Why a 50 amp ANL from the alternator. Change to 60 and 6awg wire. You
> show 43 amps max. Is that with zero diversity? I thought at one point
> you had 58 amps max intermittent load.
>
> Why 16awg wire to the starter on light? with a 1amp fuse you only need
> 22awg. Consider a fusable link in lieu of the fuse. Whose starter? I
> have not seen this wiring detail.
>
> Starter contactor. BNC has the diode internal, Vans does not have a
> diode. I am using Perihelion designs snap jacks (bi-directional zener)
> in lieu of the diode.
>
> The wire from the alternator to the ALT out light then goes to a 1 amp
> fuse/breaker on a bus.
>
> Are you using the same fat wire from the starter contactor to the starter?
>
> Consider using shotkey diodes everywhere. Low voltage drop.
>
> You have the EIS (AFS 3400) fed through diodes from both the main bus
> and the endurance bus. This will give you an inaccurate voltage
> reading. The AFS3400 has dual power feeds pin 1 & 15. This would give
> you voltage on the main bus & e-bus which could be nice to have.
> Doesn't the AFS 3400 have internal diodes to prevent drain of its
> internal battery?
>
> Do you want to power the pinpoint MSU & GADAHRS from both the Avionics
> and e-bus for some redundancy. It also has dual power inputs.
>
> Are you adding a switch on the panel for the pinpoint GADAHRS compass
> swing & alignment procedure (pin 16)?
>
> Any switch to activate/deactivate the functions of the co pilot stick
> grip (assuming some sort of grip with switches)
>
> Trim on the ebus, I would assume that is pitch trim. How about roll
> trim? Rudder trim?
>
> Larry Rosen
> #356
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Testement wrote:
>> I am pretty close to finalizing my electrical system and would really
>> like to have some knowledgeable folks give it a rigorous critique. I
>> have attached a Word document with my objectives, panel layout and
>> schematic. If any of you are willing, I would really appreciate your
>> taking the time to study the design and give me your recommendations.
>>
>> Feel free to contact me offline or call me at 804-303-1927
>>
>> Thanks in advance to those who give me some input.
>>
>> John Testement
>> jwt@roadmapscoaching.com <mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
>> 40321
>> Richmond, VA
>> FWF, engine, wiring
>> do not archive
>>
>> --
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: unbelievable!!! |
Considering the seller fell for the whole concept of that purchase
in the first place, this may be a great target for the Nigerian
hijackers. ;)
do not archive
rv10builder wrote:
>
> Looks like a comic book trader decided to buy an RV-10? The likely
> answer is that a con in Nigeria hijacked this eBay account and will try
> to work a "if I send you a check for $120K will you wire me $20K back
> and I'll be there to pick up the kit..."
>
> do not archive
>
> eagerlee wrote:
>> someone bid 100,000 on the RV-10 (item # 180081108309) on e-bay.
>> Check out the winner's feedback and see if you can imagine a nightmare
>> deal in the making. It just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser.
>> *
>>
>>
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"Amen."
Now imagine two adults, one a physician each investing two years and
full time. That's somewhere between 2,000 and 8,000 man-hours and all
they have to show is all of the cleco's installed. First thing that
came to mind is thank heaven they did not set any rivets.
As a favorite movie star said on the big screen to me..."A man has to
know his limitations".
I am all for improvements in safety, aesthetics, and function but trying
to turn a 92" prop with 600 BHP will increase drag by what %? Guess Ken
Scott's news article on Flutter and VNE authored by Ken Krueger needs a
second reading at bedtime tonight before my next prayers. Now this is
one kit that will need static and dynamic balancing before flight.
Did anyone learn who made the PSRU?
John Cox
the Turbanator #40600
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: unbelievable!!!
I think it's time we all bow our heads for a moment of silence
and perhaps a moment of prayer. "Lord please help keep this
aircraft from affecting our insurance records."
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: unbelievable!!! |
Hey all,
A bit of amateur investigation work here. I make absolutely no claims
about its accuracy.
Buyers nickname : docrw
Google "docrw" finds (among other things):
http://www.homebuilt.org/directory/quickie.html
Pointing to a David Hiatt (email docrw@yahoo.com) as an owner of Super
Quickie 2 N3223X which has since been deregistered, but if you do the
N-number lookup, his address here corresponds with the location on an
Ebay item he has for sale (#250082609702).
<http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?verified=1&NNumbertxt=3223x>
Google "David Hiatt aircraft" finds him as owner (?builder) of Super
Quickie 2 N34DQ:
<http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/planeDetail.cfm?PlaneID=495>
<http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=260>
N-number lookup on N34DQ indicated it has recently been sold.
<http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?verified=1&NNumbertxt=34DQ>
This is a quick summary of a lot of searches. I think this is probably
the guy, but as I said, no guarantees. Ain't the internet useful?!
Have fun,
Scott Lewis
RV-6A VH-AFG
RV-10 40172
eagerlee wrote:
> someone bid 100,000 on the RV-10 (item # 180081108309) on e-bay. Check
> out the winner's feedback and see if you can imagine a nightmare deal in
> the making. It just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser.
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Introduction To List - Thanks & Spreadsheet |
Hello again all,
Thanks for the responses. I have tried to combine new questions and
responses to others questions here to save list traffic...
Research is the best part of getting ready for this...I'll bet I
already have 300-400 hours and only a DVD from Vans purchased so far...
Jesse-Thanks, I appreciate the advice to save on the panel at first.
I'll work on trimming that to a minimal IFR platform with glass that
can be grown without buying anything in panel that later gets out-ed
by something else.
Kelly-Thanks, the 32k already included the TruTrak digiflight-II VSGV
and a Garmin 496 in the airgizmo mount.
Russ-Actually, I was looking at 3 screen Horizon 1 with 2x AHRS (I'm
a timid IFR pilot who likes backup). Although this is what I have
spending the most time looking at recently...no matter how much I
read the cross connects and interconnects in the GRT documentation, I
can't get a clear picture of how it would work with: (Horizon1
GRTSport Horizon1) as you have it. Doesn't that limit the HSI from
being on the 2nd screen where you want it? I'll probably have lots
more questions for you to help me in this area in the coming weeks.
Please tell me what is overkill and what makes sense: 3 Horizon (each
with a 5H WAAS GPS) & 2 separate AHRS? I see now that you can buy a
second AHRS one in the same box for only 1500. Is this any less
redundant? Your panel has been one of my "mentors" :). Why did you
choose the sport & the middle location instead of position #3 for the
sport? Thanks. If I get 2 of the Horizon1's each with internal WAAS
5Hz GPS, I assume I have to run 2 antennas. 3 internal gps's would
probably be nuts right?
Jeff- I'm located in northern VA.
Crazy ebay ad: Noticed the RV7 N-Number of ad posters neighbor/friend
is also visible in last picture in ad: N577AZ has address near
individual you listed so I think your little investigative work is
correct.
Attached is a spreadsheet I have spent weeks compiling (will probably
spend weeks more refining). I have one set of quantities shown but
would be interested in hearing others suggestions to add or subtract
specific items. This as it stands indicates price > 140k and that
worries me because I'm sure there is at least 10k of hidden costs as
indicated by Anh and Tim. I hope this spreadsheet might be useful to
someone. If others have spreadsheets / lists such as this it would
help me greatly to see them. Where can I save money in this list... :)
Thanks,
Jim Clark
---Wishing 3 cheltons cost the same as 3 dynons...
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