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1. 05:59 AM - Experimental Inquiry (Russell Daves)
2. 07:36 AM - Re: Whelen A-500A Strobe Installation (James Hein)
3. 07:43 AM - tubing bender (John Gonzalez)
4. 08:06 AM - Re: tubing bender (James Hein)
5. 08:49 AM - Re: tubing bender (Larry Rosen)
6. 08:51 AM - Re: Crossbow vs Pinpoint (Deems Davis)
7. 11:45 AM - Re: Whelen A-500A Strobe Installation (Rick)
8. 12:36 PM - Re: tubing bender (Tim Lewis)
9. 01:00 PM - Re: CAD Drawings (RV_10)
10. 01:12 PM - Re: tubing bender (Carl Froehlich)
11. 02:06 PM - Re: tubing bender (John Gonzalez)
12. 02:32 PM - [Fw: Partner sought for Chicago area -10 already half-built] (Phil White)
13. 02:45 PM - Re: RV-List: Sirius and XM (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
14. 03:38 PM - Re: CAD Drawings (Jesse Saint)
15. 03:51 PM - CAD Drawings (Jesse Saint)
16. 04:07 PM - Re: Crossbow vs Pinpoint (Bill DeRouchey)
17. 04:16 PM - Re: Headliner Install (Thane States)
18. 04:41 PM - Re: Headliner Install (John Testement)
19. 05:43 PM - NACA vent finish kit? (Chris)
20. 06:05 PM - Re: NACA vent finish kit? (Byron Gillespie)
21. 06:21 PM - RV Fly-In, Madison, Ky, I39, This Sat (Eric Parlow)
22. 06:27 PM - Re: Axle Extensions (cloudvalley@comcast.net)
23. 06:56 PM - Re: Headliner Install (Thane States)
24. 07:32 PM - Re: NACA vent finish kit? (Chris)
25. 07:51 PM - Re: RV Fly-In, Madison, Ky, I39, This Sat (Bruce Snyder)
26. 07:55 PM - Re: RV Fly-In, Madison, Ky, I39, This Sat (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
27. 09:56 PM - Re: infinity grips (DejaVu)
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| Subject: | Experimental Inquiry |
I am having Experimental put on the side panels below the rear seat arm
rests. It is as near the door as if it was put on the door itself when
the door is open.
Russ Daves
N710RV - First flight 7/28/06
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| Subject: | Re: Whelen A-500A Strobe Installation |
I thought about doing something like that, but I wanted to have some
locking ability without using loctite, and I wanted to avoid the
possibility of stripping the aluminum threads over time (or some
overzealous mechanic).
-Jim 40384, Wing skins all done... The bottom ones are a bear! (No
dents or dings BTW!)
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
>You can also flox in a couple pieces of 6061 or other aluminum. Once
>set up you can drill and tap it. That's what I ended up doing.
>
>Michael
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
>Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 11:21 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Whelen A-500A Strobe Installation
>
>
>Brilliant !
>
>THANKS!
>
>Deems Davis # 406
>Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
>http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>do not archive
>
>James Hein wrote:
>
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>>Tim, You may put this on your site if you wish.
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I need to order a tubing bender from Avery today, for the brake and fuel
lines. Should have orderred it when I orderred my flaring tool!
Any recommendations. I see that there are spring type overserts and then
there is the break type bender around a radius. Should I get both and what
are the differences between the break types?
Thanks,
John G. 409
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| Subject: | Re: tubing bender |
I use the brake type bender (the one with the radius), which has never
failed me in the many years I have had it ( I've done more than just the
RV lines).
The only time when it was a bit cumbersome was when a friend was trying
to bend his fuel line that attaches to the tank in his RV-8; There isn't
as much room in there to get it in (I managed to get it to work), and
this is where I might think the spring type might have been useful.
Remember, if you kink a line, don't unkink it; replace it!
-Jim 40384
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> I need to order a tubing bender from Avery today, for the brake and
> fuel lines. Should have orderred it when I orderred my flaring tool!
>
> Any recommendations. I see that there are spring type overserts and
> then there is the break type bender around a radius. Should I get both
> and what are the differences between the break types?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John G. 409
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: tubing bender |
Dave's RV-7A Building log has a good article on tube bending. He
recommends the imperial 370-FH. It is a 180 degree bender.
The article is here <http://www.dualrudder.com/rv7/tube-bending>
Larry Rosen #356
James Hein wrote:
>
> I use the brake type bender (the one with the radius), which has never
> failed me in the many years I have had it ( I've done more than just
> the RV lines).
> The only time when it was a bit cumbersome was when a friend was
> trying to bend his fuel line that attaches to the tank in his RV-8;
> There isn't as much room in there to get it in (I managed to get it to
> work), and this is where I might think the spring type might have been
> useful.
>
> Remember, if you kink a line, don't unkink it; replace it!
>
> -Jim 40384
>
> John Gonzalez wrote:
>
>> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>
>> I need to order a tubing bender from Avery today, for the brake and
>> fuel lines. Should have orderred it when I orderred my flaring tool!
>>
>> Any recommendations. I see that there are spring type overserts and
>> then there is the break type bender around a radius. Should I get
>> both and what are the differences between the break types?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John G. 409
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Crossbow vs Pinpoint |
Bill, thanks for your post regarding Crossbow. From someone who has
researched, designed, programmed, built, debugged and flown his own
EFIS, and ADC. I appreciate your perspective. I have always been
suspicious of the, as yet undetermined ownership, of Pinpoint
particularly with regards to the ditching/slamming of Crossbow. Perhaps
during the D2A lawsuits that will follow the 'rest of the story' will
get told.
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
do not archive
Bill DeRouchey wrote:
> Last October I sat in a conference room at Crossbow and went over each
> problem they resolved. All of the problems were of the maturing
> variety and none pertained to core technical changes. I was quite
> puzzled by D2A "toss everything out" reactions.......................
>
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| Subject: | Re: Whelen A-500A Strobe Installation |
Well I hope the judges don't have to use our tail lights to determne the Lindy,
I'd lose!! ;)
I just mounted normally in the 1 " hole with two lock nuts and screws, a little
vasoline on the screws to keep them from sticking, mixed some thick epoxy flox
and buried the nuts in the flox.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: tubing bender |
I've found having both is handy.
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 850 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> I need to order a tubing bender from Avery today, for the brake and
> fuel lines. Should have orderred it when I orderred my flaring tool!
>
> Any recommendations. I see that there are spring type overserts and
> then there is the break type bender around a radius. Should I get both
> and what are the differences between the break types?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John G. 409
>
>
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Hi Jesse,
Is it possible for you and the others who have done their electrical diags
to put your items onto a common list on Tim's site for all to access?
Thank you in advance,
John Cleary
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Saturday, 17 February 2007 2:23 PM
Subject: RV10-List: CAD Drawings
Does anybody have a link where I can download CAD drawings of common
instrument panel items, like switches, breakers and namely, the standard Mag
switch? Is there a library anyway like the Aero Electric one for electrical
drawings? By the way, I'm using TurboCAD. I do have a bunch of items that
I have drawn myself, which people are welcome to use if they need to.
Contact me offline if you need something and I will let you know if I have
it.
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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On one occasion I had to make a tight bend in 3/8" tubing, but both of these
type tube benders produced a kink in the tubing. For this one bend I took a
short piece of tubing, flared both ends (after putting on the nuts), filled
it with sand and then capped off the ends. After making the bend I trimmed
the tubing to fit and re-flared. It took about three tries to get it right.
If you do this make sure you use air to blow out the sand, followed by a
flush.
I found the fine grain sand at craft stores to work best.
Carl Froehlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Lewis
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: tubing bender
I've found having both is handy.
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 850 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> I need to order a tubing bender from Avery today, for the brake and
> fuel lines. Should have orderred it when I orderred my flaring tool!
>
> Any recommendations. I see that there are spring type overserts and
> then there is the break type bender around a radius. Should I get both
> and what are the differences between the break types?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John G. 409
>
>
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Thanks for the little gem.
Thanks to all for the input.
JOhn G.
Do Not Archive
>From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@cox.net>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: tubing bender
>Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:07:39 -0500
>
>
>On one occasion I had to make a tight bend in 3/8" tubing, but both of
>these
>type tube benders produced a kink in the tubing. For this one bend I took
>a
>short piece of tubing, flared both ends (after putting on the nuts), filled
>it with sand and then capped off the ends. After making the bend I trimmed
>the tubing to fit and re-flared. It took about three tries to get it
>right.
>
>If you do this make sure you use air to blow out the sand, followed by a
>flush.
>
>I found the fine grain sand at craft stores to work best.
>
>Carl Froehlich
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Lewis
>Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 3:36 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: tubing bender
>
>
>
>I've found having both is handy.
>
>--
>Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
>RV-6A N47TD -- 850 hrs
>RV-10 #40059 under construction
>
>
>John Gonzalez wrote:
><indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
> >
> > I need to order a tubing bender from Avery today, for the brake and
> > fuel lines. Should have orderred it when I orderred my flaring tool!
> >
> > Any recommendations. I see that there are spring type overserts and
> > then there is the break type bender around a radius. Should I get both
> > and what are the differences between the break types?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John G. 409
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | [Fwd: Partner sought for Chicago area -10 already half-built] |
To all: I am building an RV-10 in Downers Grove, IL, and nearing 3
years into the project find my financial situation changing. I am
seeking a partner who would like to share ownership and use of an RV-10
while investing only *half* the time and money to arrive at that goal.
The project is presently at the point of installing doors and
windows. When those are finished, only the gear install remains to
complete the airframe. Of course, panel, wiring and engine install will
likely take another year or two.
If you are interested in learning the details, seeing the project,
or merely discussing the possibilities; email or call me, 630/985-1234.
Phil White
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| Subject: | RE: RV-List: Sirius and XM |
Here is a link to the article. The FCC made their respective licenses
conditional on the fact they couldn't ever merge. Should be interesting
to see how this shakes out. I don't think anyone really ever expected
two companies to survive.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070219/ap_on_bi_ge/xm_radio_sirius
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Limbo
Do not archive
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lucky
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Sirius and XM
"outer space" is controlled, frequencies are controlled, american
companies are controlled, etc,
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Joseph Larson <jpl@showpage.org>
Hmm. Can this even be regulated by the feds? The sats are in
outer space, which isn't managed by the US govt.
-J
do not archive
On Feb 19, 2007, at 2:51 PM, David Burton wrote:
After a lot of speculation it looks like a deal has been made
for Sirius and XM to merge. Somehow I think the Federal regulators are
going to have problems with this since it will remove any competition
between satellite radio providers. I wonder what the effect on our
equipment and service will be if this goes through...
Dave
Flying 172/182
Building RV6
- The RV-List Email Forum -
class="Apple-converted-space"> -->
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List> - NEW
MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> -->
http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/>
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I haven't done any electrical diagrams. The drawings I have are for cutting
the instrument panel. I would be happy to share those for people who would
like them, but they are big files. Tim, do you want them on your site?
They may not be complete, but they should work fine for a reference point.
They are ready to be sent to a CNC shop for cutting (although the top and
sides of the panel are trimmed to allow room for the leather on the glare
shield. The complete panel in one piece is a paint in the neck (with much
more emphasis) to get in and out, especially without scratching, and it is
impossible with anything like leather glued on the underside of the glare
shield.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV_10
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 3:46 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: CAD Drawings
Hi Jesse,
Is it possible for you and the others who have done their electrical diags
to put your items onto a common list on Tim's site for all to access?
Thank you in advance,
John Cleary
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Saturday, 17 February 2007 2:23 PM
Subject: RV10-List: CAD Drawings
Does anybody have a link where I can download CAD drawings of common
instrument panel items, like switches, breakers and namely, the standard Mag
switch? Is there a library anyway like the Aero Electric one for electrical
drawings? By the way, I'm using TurboCAD. I do have a bunch of items that
I have drawn myself, which people are welcome to use if they need to.
Contact me offline if you need something and I will let you know if I have
it.
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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I am uploading some drawings to www.saintaviation.com/downloads for those of
you who may want them. There is more stuff uploading, but it will take some
time on my slow connection. Please feel free to use what you would like.
Let me know if you have any questions or if you find this info useful.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Crossbow vs Pinpoint |
John-
Its impossible to locate the gyro at the CG of all axis [fuel & people variances?]
so the consideration that I use is what is the best location that the unit
will provide excellent information. "Perfectly aligned" as I used the phrase
is meant to be parallel with each axis. It may be offset from the origin but
should not so far to affect the numbers in a meaningful way.
So, I recommended the aft gyro location based upon the following criteria and
in the following priority:
1. Location that can be "aligned" (parallel) to all three axis as close as
possible.
2. Minimum offset from roll axis (Roll axis moves fastest and distance from
this
origin will create large errors. IE: not out on wing)
3. Area where the magnetism is constant (not near baggage area)
4. Minimum surrounding magnetic fields
5. No strobe, battery, nor navigation wires
The value of setting the plate on the longerons is an immediate 2 axis alignment
- pitch and roll. By running a string through the length of the cabin yaw
orientation can be easily determined. All internal Xbow sensors are aligned physically
and by calibration to the mounting holes. A much more difficult mounting
would be some inches lower that would align with origin of the roll axis.
However, the gain is small compared to the effort - and it now allows the other
two axis to vary.
Deems-
I think you have "pinpointed" the missing piece of the D2A story. Were they making
purely emotional decisions? Were they technically clueless and thinking
solid state gyros are a commodity? Were they motivated from themselves or another
influential third party investing in Pinpoint and it was all a cleverly planned
ruse?
Yep. When this information becomes public then we will have the whole story.
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
billderou@yahoo.com
"John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
Bill your comments on brass hardware rather than S. steel is a
great post specially for sailors. I am curious about other builders determining
where the CG and CL is on their aircraft. Lycoming reports that the CG on
their engine is 0.5 below the crankshaft centerline. The human torso has a CG
even lower sitting on those Oregon Aero seats. Wouldnt the cross mount to longeron
actually be about 3.5 higher than perfection. And is that a determination
on magnetic, ferrous and electro-magnetic neutrality?
I am considering a further aft and outboard to the starboard, battery tray and
was wondering about such things. I am aware that VAN declares 112.3 aft of
datum the perfect CG. That would put it right in the middle of Deems Console
under his lid.
John Cox
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill DeRouchey
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Crossbow vs Pinpoint
Last October I sat in a conference room at Crossbow and went over each problem
they resolved. All of the problems were of the maturing variety and none pertained
to core technical changes. I was quite puzzled by D2A "toss everything
out" reactions.
I met with Crossbow face-to-face and came away comfortable with their answers
and their product and choose Crossbow for my WTD Aviation Technology primary
flight display product. Two of these units have been installed to date and both
work flawlessly.
During 3 years of investigating and installing gyros it was apparent that the
numbers you get from the gyro depends greatly on the installation. See the
attached photos (yes- we turned the XBow around). By far the best location for
the Crossbow is on a reinforced (stiffened) plate attached to the longerons using
the same holes where the aft end of the rear shoulder harness cable connects
to the longerons. In fact, the shoulder harness cable end was relocated to
the plate. This location allows the gyro to be perfectly aligned with the aircraft
axis and is magnetically minimized from the pitch servo and the trim servo.
Don't let the small size of the trim servo fool you - it casts a magnetic
field 20 inches from the unit. Note that the gyro was attached with brass screws.
Looking over the possible locations for the gyro GPS antenna its obvious that
the best probable location is the forward tip of the vertical stablizer and
an easy location is just under the fiberglass fuselage to vertical stab fairing.
Out of curiousity, I took the easy route and it has worked without fail. The
antenna was aligned with the vertical stab to minimize the RF shadow. A status
on my PFD shows when the gyro has locked the GPS constellation and it locks
about one minute after I start my taxi from the hanger. Once locked on it has
never dropped. If it starts dropping out then I will relocate the antenna to
the vertical stab forward tip.
The Crossbow gyro has the capability to calibrate its compass for hard iron
interferrence. From my previous experience with gyros it was obvious that the
Crossbow is very sensitive, so I included the commands necessary to begin and
end this procedure into my PFD product. It is a quick and simple procedure that
will maximize the accuracy.
Now when I look back at D2A they look more like a kool-aid manufacturing company
than an avionics distribution company. They slammed Crossbow far beyond
sanity and then elevated Pinpoint to angel status - always positioning themselves
as heros. Just now, I only believe what I can see and touch on this subject.
And what I have seen is that Crossbow is a very good and very serious engineering
company with experience producing (in quantity) solid state gyros.
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, Flying
billderou@yahoo.com
Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
Indran,
You won't find much on the list yet for experiences from people flying
with pinpoints, as I think I and Vic the only ones who are, in an RV-10.
There are some other models of aircraft flying the pinpoint though.
Having flown them both, I have some experience behind both of them with
about 70 hours on the crossbow and 125 on the pinpoint. If Crossbow
has all of the bugs completely worked out, which right now I would say
still needs the test of time, then I think you could really use either.
This isn't to say that I don't trust the product, because they have
been much more forthcoming with information in recent months. I just
think we need to see it re-develop a track record...different than
the one it had previously developed. There's no reason why that
unit couldn't be acceptable. The largest more recent problems were
caused by issues with the GPS aiding that were supposedly fixed in
software, so it very well could be good now.
So, lets assume they are both good...then what?
Well, the pinpoint will be a bit easier to install and does include
some benefits as well.
1) It has a remote magnetometer which allows easier mounting in
a magnetically stable location. It is actually quite hard to
find a good location for the 425, because the best I could do
at the time was above the battery, and it doesn't really get
as far out of the area of the battery and AP servo for me to
feel as comfortable with it.
2) The pinpoint comes with its own air data computer, and its
highly accurate. It has been flown next to a known and tested
air data unit in my plane that was also accurate to within 7'
of altitude, and the airspeed on the 2 units matches perfectly
too. So even if you have a 2nd air data system, you now have
multiple systems that you can compare for data.
3) The algorithm within the pinpoint is not at all GPS dependent.
In fact, the GPS is not internally connected at all to the AHRS,
so you will never develop attitude related issues due to GPS
signal loss. I have also tested mine by disconnecting in various
ways the pitot and static lines during turning flight and that
does not upset it either, so it should be very reliable.
4) The pinpoint does have a superior mounting and alignment software
function. You can mount it oriented in any of the 4 directions,
so you're not tied to one specific installation, and in fact you
can mount it under the panel. And due to it's configuration
software on the Chelton, you don't have to be as precise in regards
to the level as others. The calibration procedure is accurate
and much easier, and can be done without a PC...all from the
screen.
The downside to the pinpoint is really the delivery. I don't
know any of the recent specifics as to shipping time, but I'm
sure you could get a Crossbow in short order, where you may
wait 30-60 days I'd suppose for the pinpoint.
As for your comment about strong ties to D2A, I won't go too
into it on this forum, but whereas the pinpoint was perhaps
strongly tied to D2A before, that's just because they were
the only distributor. In fact, today I would say that
there are no companies with "strong ties" to D2A, because
Chelton itself is distributing the pinpoint, and they are also
involved in suing D2A....so there are no warm fuzzies even
by them for the people at D2A. Products are products, and
should be judged on their product quality. Politics aren't
really things that enhance the ability to choose the right
product. There were lots of bad things happening by multiple
parties a year ago. At present, I think the real bad eggs
are now expunged and what's left is the same products being
offered, but from a more reliable source. And Crossbow has
really whipped themselves into a good playing team too...so
you really can't go too awful wrong today.
What you really should do is dig in though on the Chelton
EFIS forum at http://www.CheltonEFISpilots.com, because there
you should be able to ask these questions and get responses
from a much higher number of people who can respond with
actual in-flight experience with either. With either
system, make sure you do a real "by the book" install
and you'll likely have success. The pinpoint just makes
the job easier by it's design. Hopefully we'll eventually
see a similar unit available by another manufacturer like
Crossbow, as the design itself is much easier to work with.
For the small price difference today though, I myself
would choose the pinpoint if I was in your shoes.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Indran Chelvanayagam wrote:
> Guys, as part of the D2A recovery package from Lancair avionics, I've
> been offered the choice between a Pinpoint and a Crossbow 425EX AHRS
> (Crossbow is cheaper)
>
> I realise that Crossbow had problems with this model, but they claim to
> have fixed them all
> On the other hand, Pinpoint is a relatively "new" (and small?) company,
> with strong ties to D2A.
>
> What are the experiences regarding installing & flying these different
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| Subject: | Re: Headliner Install |
Hello to you all. I am new to posting on this site, but I thought I
would share something about the headliner install debacle.
I will be using the flight line interior from Abby. As many of you know
it is difficult to get a good finished look around the windows.
Here is what I did: After carefully installing my headliner, trimming
around edges, and then using a soldering iron to seal the edges. I used
"Style Guard" Door trim, for automobiles, purchased from Pep Boys; 25'
roll,(Black) I carefully put it around the window edges, using a putty
knife to help it over the edge and keep the fabric from pushing out. I
then used a heat gun to set the glue and it turned out beautiful. For
the tight corners, I applied some heat to the trim to help it bend
around. Once you do this, the glue will want to close up the trim, so
again I just ran a putty knife between it to help it over the edge.
If anyone would like any further info, I would be happy to share what
worked for me. I don't know if anyone else used this technique, but I am
very pleased with the result.
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| Subject: | Headliner Install |
Can you post some photos?
John
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thane States
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Headliner Install
Hello to you all. I am new to posting on this site, but I thought I would
share something about the headliner install debacle.
I will be using the flight line interior from Abby. As many of you know it
is difficult to get a good finished look around the windows.
Here is what I did: After carefully installing my headliner, trimming
around edges, and then using a soldering iron to seal the edges. I used
"Style Guard" Door trim, for automobiles, purchased from Pep Boys; 25'
roll,(Black) I carefully put it around the window edges, using a putty knife
to help it over the edge and keep the fabric from pushing out. I then used
a heat gun to set the glue and it turned out beautiful. For the tight
corners, I applied some heat to the trim to help it bend around. Once you
do this, the glue will want to close up the trim, so again I just ran a
putty knife between it to help it over the edge.
If anyone would like any further info, I would be happy to share what worked
for me. I don't know if anyone else used this technique, but I am very
pleased with the result.
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| Subject: | NACA vent finish kit? |
Quick question...are the front NACA vent intakes in the finish kit ot
fuselage?
Thanks
CHris Lucas
#40072
slow build fuselage
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Hi Chris:
Mine were in the finishing kit.. I had the same question.
Byron
#40253
Finishing up stuff waiting on the panel.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: NACA vent finish kit?
Quick question...are the front NACA vent intakes in the finish kit ot
fuselage?
Thanks
CHris Lucas
#40072
slow build fuselage
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| Subject: | RV Fly-In, Madison, Ky, I39, This Sat |
Who's going?
4th Annual RV Fly-In
at I39 in Madison, KY
Forecast is for partly sunny and 62.
I'm flying from Williamsport, PA in the Archer.
ERic--
40014
N104EP
Fiberglass
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Hello John,
That's alright. You should hear my jokes!.
Brian
#40666
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Where do you plan to install them? The daughters, that is. Sorry. Just couldn't
help it.
John
do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cloudvalley@comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 7:09 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Axle Extensions
Hello Tim,
Ruth and I got our axle extension bolts yesterday . Thanks to you and all who helped,
including your cute daughters !
We also can't wait until it's time to install them...
Brian and Ruth
#40666
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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<DIV>Hello John,</DIV>
<DIV>That's alright. You should hear my jokes!.</DIV>
<DIV>Brian</DIV>
<DIV>#40666</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "John Jessen"
<jjessen@rcn.com> <BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=796563915-18022007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Where do you plan to install them? The daughters, that is.
Sorry. Just couldn't help it. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=796563915-18022007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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size=2>John</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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size=2>do not archive</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>cloudvalley@comcast.net<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 18, 2007 7:09 AM<BR><B>To:</B> rv10-list@matronics.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RV10-List: Axle Extensions<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Hello Tim,</DIV>
<DIV>Ruth and I got our axle extension bolts yesterday . Thanks to you
and all who helped, including your cute daughters !</DIV>
<DIV>We also can't wait until it's time to install them...</DIV>
<DIV>Brian and Ruth</DIV>
<DIV>#40666</DIV><PRE><B><FONT face="courier new,courier" color=#000000 size=2>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List</A>
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com</A>
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Here are the pictures from my Headliner Installation.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Testement
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 7:40 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Headliner Install
Can you post some photos?
John
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thane States
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 7:14 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Headliner Install
Hello to you all. I am new to posting on this site, but I thought I
would share something about the headliner install debacle.
I will be using the flight line interior from Abby. As many of you
know it is difficult to get a good finished look around the windows.
Here is what I did: After carefully installing my headliner, trimming
around edges, and then using a soldering iron to seal the edges. I used
"Style Guard" Door trim, for automobiles, purchased from Pep Boys; 25'
roll,(Black) I carefully put it around the window edges, using a putty
knife to help it over the edge and keep the fabric from pushing out. I
then used a heat gun to set the glue and it turned out beautiful. For
the tight corners, I applied some heat to the trim to help it bend
around. Once you do this, the glue will want to close up the trim, so
again I just ran a putty knife between it to help it over the edge.
If anyone would like any further info, I would be happy to share what
worked for me. I don't know if anyone else used this technique, but I am
very pleased with the result.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: NACA vent finish kit? |
Thanks Byron ..I'll go back to sleep...uh building that is.
----- Original Message -----
From: Byron Gillespie
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:04 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: NACA vent finish kit?
Hi Chris:
Mine were in the finishing kit.. I had the same question.
Byron
#40253
Finishing up stuff waiting on the panel.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:40 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: NACA vent finish kit?
Quick question...are the front NACA vent intakes in the finish kit ot
fuselage?
Thanks
CHris Lucas
#40072
slow build fuselage
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | RV Fly-In, Madison, Ky, I39, This Sat |
I'm planning on coming down from Dayton in an Arrow (been there the last 4
years and it's a great get together).
Bruce
40353
Fuselage
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Parlow
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:21 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV Fly-In, Madison, Ky, I39, This Sat
Who's going?
4th Annual RV Fly-In
at I39 in Madison, KY
Forecast is for partly sunny and 62.
I'm flying from Williamsport, PA in the Archer.
ERic--
40014
N104EP
Fiberglass
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| Subject: | Re: RV Fly-In, Madison, Ky, I39, This Sat |
Anybody have more details??
grumpy
40404
In a message dated 2/19/2007 9:53:27 PM Central Standard Time,
snyderbd888@sbcglobal.net writes:
I'm planning on coming down from Dayton in an Arrow (been there the last 4
years and it's a great get together).
Bruce
40353
Fuselage
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Parlow
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:21 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV Fly-In, Madison, Ky, I39, This Sat
Who's going?
4th Annual RV Fly-In
at I39 in Madison, KY
Forecast is for partly sunny and 62.
I'm flying from Williamsport, PA in the Archer.
ERic--
40014
N104EP
Fiberglass
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| Subject: | Re: infinity grips |
I love the general design of the Infinity grip. The top portion of it is
slightly tilting forward making easier to operate the switches up there.
When I flew in Alex's plane his grips are more vertical (not sure what kind
he has). Sometimes on takeoff I had to use my other hand to operate the
coolie hat for elev trim. I saw Alex did the same once or twice.
I don't like that the coolie hat is inactive until it almost reaches the
full throws.
Anh
N591VU-Phase I-32.2hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: infinity grips
>
>
>
> Yeah, like he said... They're just fantastic. If anything,
> I wish it had just one or two more switches available. Ergonomics
> are just fine.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Jesse Saint wrote:
>>
>> Infinity is awesome. People who I know who have tried them out wouldn't
>> think of going back. I haven't heard anybody complain about them at all.
>> Just make sure to angle them towards the outside hand so it is
>> comfortable
>> to hold. Trims are comfortable, everything is at your fingertips (3
>> trims,
>> flaps, PTT, A/P disc and an extra that could be boost pump through a
>> relay -
>> I hook them up to cockpit lights for night flying). Wouldn't have it any
>> other way.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>> www.saintaviation.com
>> Cell: 352-427-0285
>> Fax: 815-377-3694
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> gorejr@bellsouth.net
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:34 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: infinity grips
>>
>>
>> I have purchased the Infinity grips for my RV-10. The guy who is helping
>> build it is a retired airline pilot. He has a concern that there is so
>> much
>> stuff on the grip that more could go wrong and ergonomics such as moving
>> the
>> hat for trim is awkward. Advised to go with simple wood grips with Push
>> to
>> talk and auto-pilot disconnect only. He knows alot more than I do about
>> flying. Recommendations??? Wood grip suppliers? Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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