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1. 06:54 AM - Aileron and flap actuation (Eric_Kallio)
2. 07:33 AM - Re: Aileron and flap actuation (Rob Kermanj)
3. 08:11 AM - Re: Part F-6122-1< brake tube bracket on the inside firewall is missing.> (John Hilger)
4. 08:34 AM - Re: Part F-6122-1< brake tube bracket on the inside firewall is missing.> (Bruce Snyder)
5. 09:28 AM - Re: Whelen A-500A Strobe Installation (KiloPapa)
6. 10:19 AM - Rear spar alignment flaw and Warning (Jae Chang)
7. 10:35 AM - Re: Rear spar alignment flaw and Warning (orchidman)
8. 10:43 AM - Re: Whelen A-500A Strobe Installation (Dave Leikam)
9. 10:55 AM - Re: Rear spar alignment flaw and Warning (Kevin Belue)
10. 10:59 AM - Wiring (Dave Leikam)
11. 12:35 PM - Re: Rear spar alignment flaw and Warning (Jae Chang)
12. 02:12 PM - Re: Part F-6122-1< brake tube bracket on the inside firewall is missing.> (John Gonzalez)
13. 02:51 PM - Re: Re: Rear spar alignment flaw and Warning (Jae Chang)
14. 02:53 PM - Re: Rear spar alignment flaw and Warning (Niko)
15. 03:32 PM - Re: Aileron and flap actuation (Tim Olson)
16. 03:53 PM - Re: Aileron and flap actuation (Jesse Saint)
17. 03:53 PM - Re: Wiring (Jesse Saint)
18. 04:28 PM - Re: Wiring (John W. Cox)
19. 04:47 PM - Re: Rear spar alignment flaw and Warning (Jae Chang)
20. 07:02 PM - Weather? for- i39, Richmond Madison Flyin Feb. 24th. is ON (Eric Parlow)
21. 07:13 PM - Re: Wiring (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
22. 07:33 PM - Re: Wiring (JOHN STARN)
23. 07:37 PM - Re: Wiring (John Testement)
24. 08:47 PM - Re: Wiring (Dave Leikam)
25. 10:16 PM - Re: Wiring (ddddsp1@juno.com)
26. 10:46 PM - Re: Wiring (JOHN STARN)
27. 11:03 PM - Glass Primary Flight Displays for RV-10 (Bill DeRouchey)
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| Subject: | Aileron and flap actuation |
When attaching the ailerons and flaps I am finding that both peices, on both wings,
rub the top skin. The flaps contact just prior to the neutral position and
the ailerons at about 20 degrees trailing edge down. I don't have pics handy,
but I can get some if needed. Is this common, or do I get to re-work my wings?
Don't want to get to far into the aileron actuation section unitl I clarify
this. Thanks.
Eric Kallio
40518 starting the fuel tanks that were put off til last...the joys of proseal.
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron and flap actuation |
My QB wings had the same problem with the flaps slightly rubbing at
their up position. I have seen another 10 with the flaps rubbing also.
My solution was to put vans control surface tape on the flaps. My
ailerons are OK so I can't really comment about them.
do not archive
On Feb 23, 2007, at 9:53 AM, Eric_Kallio wrote:
>
> When attaching the ailerons and flaps I am finding that both
> peices, on both wings, rub the top skin. The flaps contact just
> prior to the neutral position and the ailerons at about 20 degrees
> trailing edge down. I don't have pics handy, but I can get some if
> needed. Is this common, or do I get to re-work my wings? Don't want
> to get to far into the aileron actuation section unitl I clarify
> this. Thanks.
>
> Eric Kallio
> 40518 starting the fuel tanks that were put off til last...the joys
> of proseal.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'844#96844
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Part F-6122-1< brake tube bracket on the inside firewall |
is missing.>
John
I don't about the QB kits, but in my slow build fuselage kit F-6122-1 was in
sub kit #7 with the aluminum tube.
John H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:18 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Part F-6122-1< brake tube bracket on the inside firewall
is missing.>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I have a QB fuse and this part is not on the fuse nor is it in the box or
> the bags. I can't seem to find it on the packing list or hardware list
> either.
>
> Any clues???????????????????????
>
> Thanks,
>
> John G.
>
> DO NOt archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Part F-6122-1< brake tube bracket on the inside firewall |
is missing.>
John,
Mine was riveted to the firewall, already on the QB fuselage.
Bruce
Fuselage
40353
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 1:19 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Part F-6122-1< brake tube bracket on the inside firewall
is missing.>
Hello all,
I have a QB fuse and this part is not on the fuse nor is it in the box or
the bags. I can't seem to find it on the packing list or hardware list
either.
Any clues???????????????????????
Thanks,
John G.
DO NOt archive
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| Subject: | Re: Whelen A-500A Strobe Installation |
What have you found to be a good source for strobe lights. The Whelen A500
for the rudder alone is $150 at ACS.
Thanks,
Kevin
40494
tail/empennage
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| Subject: | Rear spar alignment flaw and Warning |
Has anyone else dealt with this issue? I am on page 16-2 on the Top Wing Skins
section. My left wing lined up perfectly. On the right wing, to my surprise, I
have an alignment problem between the top wing skin and the rear spar.
Here are some photos to illustrate...
Every other hole lines up between the top wing skin and the wing skeleton,
except for the inboard rear spar holes. The holes are out of alignment and
gradually come closer into alignment until they are lined up perfectly again
between the 4th and 5th rib, counting the root rib as rib #1.
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/wingkit/photos/IMG_4481.html
Broader picture of the general area...
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/wingkit/photos/IMG_4482.html
The inboard most hole is the furthest out of line by about 1/16". The rear spar
hole needs to come further aft by 1/16".
I then did a lot of measuring to compare my left wing (perfect) with right wing
(problem). The problem appears to be with the rear spar. The upper flange seems
to taper from 22/32" wide down to 20/32" wide at the inboard edge, which would
account for the 1/16" alignment error in the top skin.
Photo of rear spar top flange on left (correct side):
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/wingkit/photos/IMG_4483.html
Photo of rear spar top flange on right (error side):
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/wingkit/photos/IMG_4484.html
I spoke with Van's this morning. They made 2 recommendations:
1. Does the bottom skin line up? Answer: surprisingly enough, YES. It's not
perfect, but will be manageable.
2. Drill and rivet the misaligned holes with 1/8" rivets.
The problem with this solution is that the new hole will have an edge-distance
problem. I should have 1/4" clearance to the edge, but I will only have 3/16"
clearance to the aft edge on the rear spar. As I work outboard, the edge
distance issue should get better and better, but still not within spec.
1/16" would not be a problem anywhere else on the wing, as far as I can tell. I
could have "massaged" things possibly by that amount. However, this problem is
at the wing root and wing walk area, which is heavily reinforced. There is no
"massaging" possible here.
Finally, I could get a new rear-spar, however, that means removing all of the
doublers and tons of AN470AD4-8 and 4-6 rivets!!!
Thus, the warning to other builders, BEFORE riveting the rear spar, measure the
top flange on your rear spar, to make sure it stays even in width. Even better,
try fitting the top skin on before riveting the rear spar.
Can anyone provide any other recommendations?
Another thought is, can I somehow put in a shim between the rear spar and the 2
inboard ribs? The shim would have to only be along the top holes, since the
bottom holes are lined up.
Thanks,
Jae
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| Subject: | Re: Rear spar alignment flaw and Warning |
Jae,
I may be coming up on this point in about a month. What was the serial # of your
wing spars and how long have you had them?
My builder # is 40674 but my spar # is 10578 which I think means that I have the
578th wing kit shipped.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N410GB reserved)
do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'896#96896
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| Subject: | Re: Whelen A-500A Strobe Installation |
I got mine from Van's. Combination strobe and white tail light. Bought the
rest of my lights and strobes from http://www.creativair.com/. They
recommend you buy the tail strobe/light from Van's.
Dave Leikam
40496
Waiting for QB fuse and wings.
----- Original Message -----
From: "KiloPapa" <kilopapa@antelecom.net>
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Whelen A-500A Strobe Installation
>
> What have you found to be a good source for strobe lights. The Whelen
> A500 for the rudder alone is $150 at ACS.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kevin
> 40494
> tail/empennage
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rear spar alignment flaw and Warning |
Jae,
I had the same problem (about 2 years ago). My rear spar flange was off more
than yours, though. Van's sent me another spar and I drilled out all the
rivets and replaced it. It looks like you can use yours - I would drill the
holes to match and use the "oops" rivets if necessary. It's a good idea for
everyone to check the dimensions on the rear spar before rivetting because
it is a big job to remove it.
Kevin Belue
RV-6A flying
RV-10 finish
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jae Chang" <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:18 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Rear spar alignment flaw and Warning
>
> Has anyone else dealt with this issue? I am on page 16-2 on the Top Wing
> Skins
> section. My left wing lined up perfectly. On the right wing, to my
> surprise, I
> have an alignment problem between the top wing skin and the rear spar.
>
> Here are some photos to illustrate...
>
> Every other hole lines up between the top wing skin and the wing skeleton,
> except for the inboard rear spar holes. The holes are out of alignment and
> gradually come closer into alignment until they are lined up perfectly
> again
> between the 4th and 5th rib, counting the root rib as rib #1.
> http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/wingkit/photos/IMG_4481.html
>
> Broader picture of the general area...
> http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/wingkit/photos/IMG_4482.html
>
> The inboard most hole is the furthest out of line by about 1/16". The rear
> spar
> hole needs to come further aft by 1/16".
>
> I then did a lot of measuring to compare my left wing (perfect) with right
> wing
> (problem). The problem appears to be with the rear spar. The upper flange
> seems
> to taper from 22/32" wide down to 20/32" wide at the inboard edge, which
> would
> account for the 1/16" alignment error in the top skin.
>
> Photo of rear spar top flange on left (correct side):
> http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/wingkit/photos/IMG_4483.html
>
> Photo of rear spar top flange on right (error side):
> http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/wingkit/photos/IMG_4484.html
>
> I spoke with Van's this morning. They made 2 recommendations:
>
> 1. Does the bottom skin line up? Answer: surprisingly enough, YES. It's
> not
> perfect, but will be manageable.
>
> 2. Drill and rivet the misaligned holes with 1/8" rivets.
>
> The problem with this solution is that the new hole will have an
> edge-distance
> problem. I should have 1/4" clearance to the edge, but I will only have
> 3/16"
> clearance to the aft edge on the rear spar. As I work outboard, the edge
> distance issue should get better and better, but still not within spec.
>
> 1/16" would not be a problem anywhere else on the wing, as far as I can
> tell. I
> could have "massaged" things possibly by that amount. However, this
> problem is
> at the wing root and wing walk area, which is heavily reinforced. There is
> no
> "massaging" possible here.
>
> Finally, I could get a new rear-spar, however, that means removing all of
> the
> doublers and tons of AN470AD4-8 and 4-6 rivets!!!
>
> Thus, the warning to other builders, BEFORE riveting the rear spar,
> measure the
> top flange on your rear spar, to make sure it stays even in width. Even
> better,
> try fitting the top skin on before riveting the rear spar.
>
> Can anyone provide any other recommendations?
>
> Another thought is, can I somehow put in a shim between the rear spar and
> the 2
> inboard ribs? The shim would have to only be along the top holes, since
> the
> bottom holes are lined up.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jae
>
>
>
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Has anyone purchased or do you recommend purchasing the wiring kit from
Stein?
Dave Leikam
40496
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| Subject: | Rear spar alignment flaw and Warning |
Kevin... Well, I just hope we can help this from happening to anyone else. I
have already ordered a replacement left rear spar. Even the replacement was not
the SAME as my original. With these discrepancies, I think there are plenty of
quality control issues on the rear spars
At this point, I am leaning towards upsizing to 1/8" hole and rivets. However,
what can I do to deal with the edge-distance clearance issue? Does anyone have
any recommendations?
My thoughts are:
1. Just leave it alone. It's just 1/16" under the edge distance clearance for a
1/8" rivet.
2. Add some extra 3/32" holes and rivets in rear spar upper flange. The current
spacing between holes is 26/32". If I put another hole in between existing
holes, is that safe to do?
Thanks again for the suggestions,
Jae
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Belue
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear spar alignment flaw and Warning
Jae,
I had the same problem (about 2 years ago). My rear spar flange was off more
than yours, though. Van's sent me another spar and I drilled out all the rivets
and replaced it. It looks like you can use yours - I would drill the holes to
match and use the "oops" rivets if necessary. It's a good idea for everyone to
check the dimensions on the rear spar before rivetting because it is a big job
to remove it.
Kevin Belue
RV-6A flying
RV-10 finish
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jae Chang" <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:18 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Rear spar alignment flaw and Warning
>
> Has anyone else dealt with this issue? I am on page 16-2 on the Top Wing
> Skins
> section. My left wing lined up perfectly. On the right wing, to my
> surprise, I
> have an alignment problem between the top wing skin and the rear spar.
>
> Here are some photos to illustrate...
>
> Every other hole lines up between the top wing skin and the wing skeleton,
> except for the inboard rear spar holes. The holes are out of alignment and
> gradually come closer into alignment until they are lined up perfectly
> again
> between the 4th and 5th rib, counting the root rib as rib #1.
> http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/wingkit/photos/IMG_4481.html
>
> Broader picture of the general area...
> http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/wingkit/photos/IMG_4482.html
>
> The inboard most hole is the furthest out of line by about 1/16". The rear
> spar
> hole needs to come further aft by 1/16".
>
> I then did a lot of measuring to compare my left wing (perfect) with right
> wing
> (problem). The problem appears to be with the rear spar. The upper flange
> seems
> to taper from 22/32" wide down to 20/32" wide at the inboard edge, which
> would
> account for the 1/16" alignment error in the top skin.
>
> Photo of rear spar top flange on left (correct side):
> http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/wingkit/photos/IMG_4483.html
>
> Photo of rear spar top flange on right (error side):
> http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/wingkit/photos/IMG_4484.html
>
> I spoke with Van's this morning. They made 2 recommendations:
>
> 1. Does the bottom skin line up? Answer: surprisingly enough, YES. It's
> not
> perfect, but will be manageable.
>
> 2. Drill and rivet the misaligned holes with 1/8" rivets.
>
> The problem with this solution is that the new hole will have an
> edge-distance
> problem. I should have 1/4" clearance to the edge, but I will only have
> 3/16"
> clearance to the aft edge on the rear spar. As I work outboard, the edge
> distance issue should get better and better, but still not within spec.
>
> 1/16" would not be a problem anywhere else on the wing, as far as I can
> tell. I
> could have "massaged" things possibly by that amount. However, this
> problem is
> at the wing root and wing walk area, which is heavily reinforced. There is
> no
> "massaging" possible here.
>
> Finally, I could get a new rear-spar, however, that means removing all of
> the
> doublers and tons of AN470AD4-8 and 4-6 rivets!!!
>
> Thus, the warning to other builders, BEFORE riveting the rear spar,
> measure the
> top flange on your rear spar, to make sure it stays even in width. Even
> better,
> try fitting the top skin on before riveting the rear spar.
>
> Can anyone provide any other recommendations?
>
> Another thought is, can I somehow put in a shim between the rear spar and
> the 2
> inboard ribs? The shim would have to only be along the top holes, since
> the
> bottom holes are lined up.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jae
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Part F-6122-1< brake tube bracket on the inside firewall |
is missing.>
John and Bruce,
Thanks for the reply.
As far as the QB goes, it was supposed to be rivetted to the firewall
according to Van's. The QB workers left it off by accident. I would
fabricate my own, but the holes on the Firewall are already dimpled so
getting a good match with the holes on the part would be difficult.
JOhn G. 409
Do Not Archive
>From: "Bruce Snyder" <snyderbd888@sbcglobal.net>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Part F-6122-1< brake tube bracket on the inside
>firewall is missing.>
>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:33:52 -0500
>
>
>John,
>
>Mine was riveted to the firewall, already on the QB fuselage.
>
>Bruce
>Fuselage
>40353
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
>Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 1:19 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Part F-6122-1< brake tube bracket on the inside
>firewall
>is missing.>
>
>
>Hello all,
>
>I have a QB fuse and this part is not on the fuse nor is it in the box or
>the bags. I can't seem to find it on the packing list or hardware list
>either.
>
>Any clues???????????????????????
>
>Thanks,
>
>John G.
>
>DO NOt archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rear spar alignment flaw and Warning |
Hi Gary,
The spar # is 10495. I received it in June 2006.
My builder # is 40533.
I would make sure to measure the upper flange width, to make sure it is
consistent along the entire length of the rear spar.
Jae
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:35 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rear spar alignment flaw and Warning
Jae,
I may be coming up on this point in about a month. What was the serial # of
your wing spars and how long have you had them?
My builder # is 40674 but my spar # is 10578 which I think means that I have the
578th wing kit shipped.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N410GB reserved)
do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'896#96896
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| Subject: | Re: Rear spar alignment flaw and Warning |
Hi Jay,=0A =0AI think you will be fine going with 1/8 inch rivets.=0A =0AYo
u would have reduced your allowable bearing stress on the spar by about 30%
due to the shorter edge distance but you will have gained about that much
from the higher bearing area. By the way, 1.5D is not considered short edg
e distance. Many pieces of structure are designed to that edge distance.
I am assuming you are measuring from the center of the hole to the edge of
the part. Additionally depending on the thickness of the parts the spar mi
ght not be the weakest link.=0A =0A =0AThe net area on the spar will be sli
ghtly reduced so the spar will be weaker by the difference in the area of t
he upper flanges which is pretty small. Also the upper spar is usually in
compression which minimizes the effect.=0A =0AI don't think its a problem b
ut you might want to check with Vans anyway. Do make sure though that you
get good holes and no "figure 8s"=0A =0ANiko=0A40188=0A=0A=0A----- Original
Message ----=0AFrom: Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>=0ATo: rv10-li
st@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, February 23, 2007 3:34:14 PM=0ASubject: RE
: RV10-List: Rear spar alignment flaw and Warning=0A=0A=0A--> RV10-List mes
sage posted by: "Jae Chang" <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>=0A=0AKevin... Wel
l, I just hope we can help this from happening to anyone else. I=0Ahave alr
eady ordered a replacement left rear spar. Even the replacement was not=0At
he SAME as my original. With these discrepancies, I think there are plenty
of=0Aquality control issues on the rear spars=0A=0AAt this point, I am lean
ing towards upsizing to 1/8" hole and rivets. However,=0Awhat can I do to d
eal with the edge-distance clearance issue? Does anyone have=0Aany recommen
dations?=0A=0AMy thoughts are:=0A=0A1. Just leave it alone. It's just 1/16"
under the edge distance clearance for a=0A1/8" rivet.=0A=0A2. Add some ext
ra 3/32" holes and rivets in rear spar upper flange. The current=0Aspacing
between holes is 26/32". If I put another hole in between existing=0Aholes,
is that safe to do?=0A=0AThanks again for the suggestions,=0AJae=0A=0A----
-Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mail
to:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Belue=0ASent: F
riday, February 23, 2007 10:55 AM=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASubject:
Re: RV10-List: Rear spar alignment flaw and Warning=0A=0A--> RV10-List mess
age posted by: "Kevin Belue" <kdbelue@charter.net>=0A=0AJae,=0A=0AI had the
same problem (about 2 years ago). My rear spar flange was off more=0Athan
yours, though. Van's sent me another spar and I drilled out all the rivets
=0Aand replaced it. It looks like you can use yours - I would drill the hol
es to=0Amatch and use the "oops" rivets if necessary. It's a good idea for
everyone to=0Acheck the dimensions on the rear spar before rivetting becaus
e it is a big job=0Ato remove it.=0A=0AKevin Belue=0ARV-6A flying=0ARV-10 f
inish=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0AFrom: "Jae Chang" <jc-matronic
s_rv10@jline.com>=0ATo: <rv10-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Friday, February
23, 2007 12:18 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Rear spar alignment flaw and Warnin
@jline.com>=0A>=0A> Has anyone else dealt with this issue? I am on page 16-
2 on the Top Wing =0A> Skins=0A> section. My left wing lined up perfectly.
On the right wing, to my =0A> surprise, I=0A> have an alignment problem bet
ween the top wing skin and the rear spar.=0A>=0A> Here are some photos to i
llustrate...=0A>=0A> Every other hole lines up between the top wing skin an
d the wing skeleton,=0A> except for the inboard rear spar holes. The holes
are out of alignment and=0A> gradually come closer into alignment until the
y are lined up perfectly =0A> again=0A> between the 4th and 5th rib, counti
ng the root rib as rib #1.=0A> http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/wing
kit/photos/IMG_4481.html=0A>=0A> Broader picture of the general area...=0A>
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/wingkit/photos/IMG_4482.html=0A>
=0A> The inboard most hole is the furthest out of line by about 1/16". The
rear =0A> spar=0A> hole needs to come further aft by 1/16".=0A>=0A> I then
did a lot of measuring to compare my left wing (perfect) with right =0A> wi
ng=0A> (problem). The problem appears to be with the rear spar. The upper f
lange =0A> seems=0A> to taper from 22/32" wide down to 20/32" wide at the i
nboard edge, which =0A> would=0A> account for the 1/16" alignment error in
the top skin.=0A>=0A> Photo of rear spar top flange on left (correct side):
=0A> http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/wingkit/photos/IMG_4483.html
=0A>=0A> Photo of rear spar top flange on right (error side):=0A> http://ww
w.jline.com/log/aviation/build/wingkit/photos/IMG_4484.html=0A>=0A> I spoke
with Van's this morning. They made 2 recommendations:=0A>=0A> 1. Does the
bottom skin line up? Answer: surprisingly enough, YES. It's =0A> not=0A> p
erfect, but will be manageable.=0A>=0A> 2. Drill and rivet the misaligned
holes with 1/8" rivets.=0A>=0A> The problem with this solution is that the
new hole will have an =0A> edge-distance=0A> problem. I should have 1/4" cl
earance to the edge, but I will only have =0A> 3/16"=0A> clearance to the a
ft edge on the rear spar. As I work outboard, the edge=0A> distance issue s
hould get better and better, but still not within spec.=0A>=0A> 1/16" would
not be a problem anywhere else on the wing, as far as I can =0A> tell. I
=0A> could have "massaged" things possibly by that amount. However, this
=0A> problem is=0A> at the wing root and wing walk area, which is heavily r
einforced. There is =0A> no=0A> "massaging" possible here.=0A>=0A> Finally,
I could get a new rear-spar, however, that means removing all of =0A> the
=0A> doublers and tons of AN470AD4-8 and 4-6 rivets!!!=0A>=0A> Thus, the wa
rning to other builders, BEFORE riveting the rear spar, =0A> measure the=0A
> top flange on your rear spar, to make sure it stays even in width. Even
=0A> better,=0A> try fitting the top skin on before riveting the rear spar.
=0A>=0A> Can anyone provide any other recommendations?=0A>=0A> Another thou
ght is, can I somehow put in a shim between the rear spar and =0A> the 2=0A
> inboard ribs? The shim would have to only be along the top holes, since
=0A> the=0A> bottom holes are lined up.=0A>=0A> Thanks,=0A>=0A> Jae=0A>=0A>
============
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron and flap actuation |
Mine rub of course too. I think most will. I put the tape though on
the underside of the wing skin instead of the flap, so you don't have
the tape visible. No scratches that I'm aware of yet.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Rob Kermanj wrote:
>
> My QB wings had the same problem with the flaps slightly rubbing at
> their up position. I have seen another 10 with the flaps rubbing also.
>
> My solution was to put vans control surface tape on the flaps. My
> ailerons are OK so I can't really comment about them.
> do not archive
> On Feb 23, 2007, at 9:53 AM, Eric_Kallio wrote:
>
>>
>> When attaching the ailerons and flaps I am finding that both peices,
>> on both wings, rub the top skin. The flaps contact just prior to the
>> neutral position and the ailerons at about 20 degrees trailing edge
>> down. I don't have pics handy, but I can get some if needed. Is this
>> common, or do I get to re-work my wings? Don't want to get to far into
>> the aileron actuation section unitl I clarify this. Thanks.
>>
>> Eric Kallio
>> 40518 starting the fuel tanks that were put off til last...the joys of
>> proseal.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'844#96844
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Aileron and flap actuation |
As the other post stated, using UHVM tape or something like that on the Flap
will keep it from scratching the paint. It is good to have a tight fit
there.
On the aileron, if you have not connected the two ailerons together yet,
then you probably won't have to worry, because they don't travel as much
when they are hooked up. If they are already hooked up, then you may have a
problem.
Hope this helps.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric_Kallio
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 9:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Aileron and flap actuation
When attaching the ailerons and flaps I am finding that both peices, on both
wings, rub the top skin. The flaps contact just prior to the neutral
position and the ailerons at about 20 degrees trailing edge down. I don't
have pics handy, but I can get some if needed. Is this common, or do I get
to re-work my wings? Don't want to get to far into the aileron actuation
section unitl I clarify this. Thanks.
Eric Kallio
40518 starting the fuel tanks that were put off til last...the joys of
proseal.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'844#96844
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I have looked at it, and have probably purchased the equivalent a couple of
times, but not the specific kit. If you are planning on using the fuse
blocks, need the tools, and stuff like that, then it would be a good way to
go. I would look through it and decide if you need all of the components,
then ask him to hold any out that you don't plan to use. After all, it is
just a list of supplies, not an actual harness. You may need less of some
wires and probably more of others when you get down to it, but it is a good
place to start, IMHO.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 1:59 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Wiring
Has anyone purchased or do you recommend purchasing the wiring kit from
Stein?
Dave Leikam
40496
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I will recommend Stein. I have been told he is a great guy, reputable
businessman and can use all the positive cashflow we can forward him as
a result of being victimized by the D2A fiasco. Tim gives a hearty
endorsement and that is enough for me.
John Cox
#40600
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:59 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Wiring
Has anyone purchased or do you recommend purchasing the wiring kit from
Stein?
Dave Leikam
40496
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| Subject: | Re: Rear spar alignment flaw and Warning |
Niko... Vans is recommending using oops rivets, so i think that would
definitely mean a weaker structure than using the original callout. Part
of the reason, is because this is a tight access area, because of the
built-up doublers in the way.
Finally, Vans brought up another issue. The 1/16" missing from the upper
flange had to have gone somewhere. Yep, it went into the web of the spar.
There is now quite a gap created above the ribs.
This is the gap in the right (problem side) root rib. That is almost 1/8"
thick. 0.125". The top skin is .032". That means the shim I would have to
use to fill that gap will be 3 to 4 times the thickness of the top skin.
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/wingkit/photos/IMG_4485.html
This is another inner rib, all the inner ribs have the same problem, up to
the 5th rib, which is fine.
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/wingkit/photos/IMG_4486.html
As a comparison, this is what my left root rib looks like - what it should
be.
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/wingkit/photos/IMG_4487.html
I am going to have to think about this over the weekend. Now, i am leaning
towards replacement.
Any opinions on what others would do?
That hissing sound i hear is the sound of building momentum leaking away
again!
Jae
> Hi Jay,
>
> I think you will be fine going with 1/8 inch rivets.
>
> You would have reduced your allowable bearing stress on the spar by about
> 30% due to the shorter edge distance but you will have gained about that
> much from the higher bearing area. By the way, 1.5D is not considered
> short edge distance. Many pieces of structure are designed to that edge
> distance. I am assuming you are measuring from the center of the hole to
> the edge of the part. Additionally depending on the thickness of the
> parts the spar might not be the weakest link.
>
>
> The net area on the spar will be slightly reduced so the spar will be
> weaker by the difference in the area of the upper flanges which is pretty
> small. Also the upper spar is usually in compression which minimizes the
> effect.
>
> I don't think its a problem but you might want to check with Vans anyway.
> Do make sure though that you get good holes and no "figure 8s"
>
> Niko
> 40188
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 3:34:14 PM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear spar alignment flaw and Warning
>
>
>
> Kevin... Well, I just hope we can help this from happening to anyone else.
> I
> have already ordered a replacement left rear spar. Even the replacement
> was not
> the SAME as my original. With these discrepancies, I think there are
> plenty of
> quality control issues on the rear spars
>
> At this point, I am leaning towards upsizing to 1/8" hole and rivets.
> However,
> what can I do to deal with the edge-distance clearance issue? Does anyone
> have
> any recommendations?
>
> My thoughts are:
>
> 1. Just leave it alone. It's just 1/16" under the edge distance clearance
> for a
> 1/8" rivet.
>
> 2. Add some extra 3/32" holes and rivets in rear spar upper flange. The
> current
> spacing between holes is 26/32". If I put another hole in between existing
> holes, is that safe to do?
>
> Thanks again for the suggestions,
> Jae
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Belue
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:55 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear spar alignment flaw and Warning
>
>
> Jae,
>
> I had the same problem (about 2 years ago). My rear spar flange was off
> more
> than yours, though. Van's sent me another spar and I drilled out all the
> rivets
> and replaced it. It looks like you can use yours - I would drill the holes
> to
> match and use the "oops" rivets if necessary. It's a good idea for
> everyone to
> check the dimensions on the rear spar before rivetting because it is a big
> job
> to remove it.
>
> Kevin Belue
> RV-6A flying
> RV-10 finish
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jae Chang" <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:18 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Rear spar alignment flaw and Warning
>
>
>> <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
>>
>> Has anyone else dealt with this issue? I am on page 16-2 on the Top Wing
>> Skins
>> section. My left wing lined up perfectly. On the right wing, to my
>> surprise, I
>> have an alignment problem between the top wing skin and the rear spar.
>>
>> Here are some photos to illustrate...
>>
>> Every other hole lines up between the top wing skin and the wing
>> skeleton,
>> except for the inboard rear spar holes. The holes are out of alignment
>> and
>> gradually come closer into alignment until they are lined up perfectly
>> again
>> between the 4th and 5th rib, counting the root rib as rib #1.
>> http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/wingkit/photos/IMG_4481.html
>>
>> Broader picture of the general area...
>> http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/wingkit/photos/IMG_4482.html
>>
>> The inboard most hole is the furthest out of line by about 1/16". The
>> rear
>> spar
>> hole needs to come further aft by 1/16".
>>
>> I then did a lot of measuring to compare my left wing (perfect) with
>> right
>> wing
>> (problem). The problem appears to be with the rear spar. The upper
>> flange
>> seems
>> to taper from 22/32" wide down to 20/32" wide at the inboard edge, which
>> would
>> account for the 1/16" alignment error in the top skin.
>>
>> Photo of rear spar top flange on left (correct side):
>> http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/wingkit/photos/IMG_4483.html
>>
>> Photo of rear spar top flange on right (error side):
>> http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/wingkit/photos/IMG_4484.html
>>
>> I spoke with Van's this morning. They made 2 recommendations:
>>
>> 1. Does the bottom skin line up? Answer: surprisingly enough, YES. It's
>> not
>> perfect, but will be manageable.
>>
>> 2. Drill and rivet the misaligned holes with 1/8" rivets.
>>
>> The problem with this solution is that the new hole will have an
>> edge-distance
>> problem. I should have 1/4" clearance to the edge, but I will only have
>> 3/16"
>> clearance to the aft edge on the rear spar. As I work outboard, the edge
>> distance issue should get better and better, but still not within spec.
>>
>> 1/16" would not be a problem anywhere else on the wing, as far as I can
>> tell. I
>> could have "massaged" things possibly by that amount. However, this
>> problem is
>> at the wing root and wing walk area, which is heavily reinforced. There
>> is
>> no
>> "massaging" possible here.
>>
>> Finally, I could get a new rear-spar, however, that means removing all
>> of
>> the
>> doublers and tons of AN470AD4-8 and 4-6 rivets!!!
>>
>> Thus, the warning to other builders, BEFORE riveting the rear spar,
>> measure the
>> top flange on your rear spar, to make sure it stays even in width. Even
>> better,
>> try fitting the top skin on before riveting the rear spar.
>>
>> Can anyone provide any other recommendations?
>>
>> Another thought is, can I somehow put in a shim between the rear spar
>> and
>> the 2
>> inboard ribs? The shim would have to only be along the top holes, since
>> the
>> bottom holes are lined up.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jae
>>
>>============
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| Subject: | Weather? for- i39, Richmond Madison Flyin Feb. 24th. is ON |
What's the weather look like there?
Who's going?
Hasn't been much e-traffic this on The Kickoff ...............
Last 3 years were great!
ERic--
RV-10 N104EP
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I have been working with Stein for over a year now, and I can say
without a doubt he is an honest and forthright vendor, which in this day
and age is a rarity. I have been one of the ones bit by the Direct2
fiasco, and Stein has been a pleasure to deal with during a difficult
time. He has been in the middle of a bad situation, and has done
everything in his power to make it right. For a small shop that is
saying allot, Lancair customers got the shaft and Steins customers got
taken care of.
I would recommend Stein and his group to anyone needing his services.
Dan Lloyd
N289DT
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 1:59 PM
To: matronics
Subject: RV10-List: Wiring
Has anyone purchased or do you recommend purchasing the wiring
kit from Stein?
Dave Leikam
40496
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MessageHe's also a great source for 1963 VW pickup wiring etc. KABONG
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I would definitely go with Stein for all of your electrical system parts and
support. They really know their stuff and are the BEST at supporting
customers. Stein is my first choice for all electrical stuff - I love em!
John Testement
HYPERLINK "mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com"jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
FWF, engine, wiring
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 1:59 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Wiring
Has anyone purchased or do you recommend purchasing the wiring kit from
Stein?
Dave Leikam
40496
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I talked with Stein today and will probably order his wire kit for
starters. He seems like a great guy and very knowledgeable. I think he
may end up doing my panel, G900x.
Oh honey, we need to talk about the airplane money again!
Dave Leikam
40496
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----- Original Message -----
From: John Testement
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 9:36 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wiring
I would definitely go with Stein for all of your electrical system
parts and support. They really know their stuff and are the BEST at
supporting customers. Stein is my first choice for all electrical stuff
- I love em!
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
FWF, engine, wiring
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 1:59 PM
To: matronics
Subject: RV10-List: Wiring
Has anyone purchased or do you recommend purchasing the wiring kit
from Stein?
Dave Leikam
40496
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STEIN all the way!!!!! He is an awesome guy to work with. BTW S
tein, my dimmer had a short in it and the ICOM does not have DIMMER cap
ability anyway. I hooked them all direct to power and they worked great
!
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OH NO....Please, I feel a YUGO joke coming on.... KABONG Do Not
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| Subject: | Glass Primary Flight Displays for RV-10 |
There have been several folks from the Matronics list that have been following
the activities of building my own RV10, air data computer, primary flight display,
Garmin interface computer, and a Crossbow gyro. All of these components have
been integrated into my panel which is IFR legal with lots of innovation for
cross country travel.
I took full advantage of every skill I have ever learned in my life to make this
happen but mostly engineer, programmer, and pilot. It has been wonderful to
lay in bed thinking of ways to make the flight experience more enjoyable and
safer then implement the idea the next day.
Now its time for Sara and I to make a second run at creating a business. The
first was packaged telecommunication software for DEC computers from 1978-1986.
The prototype panel has been flying since August and I have been steadily making
improvements and productizing the components since then. Just last week we
finished the first production components for another Watsonville,CA RV-10 panel
and its time to open the doors to our new business.
Our web site went live this evening. We loaded it with features and (hopefully) good description of what the panel could do for you. Note that from initial concept the panel was approached as a system design instead of just another box. Without this approach the many good ideas that arose from who knows where could not have been implemented and its these ideas that make it a great panel. Check it out at: www.wtdaviationtechnology.com
Call if you like. I am always interested in suggestions or discussing ideas.
If you will consider doing business with us then I will do the best I can for
you.
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
bill@wtdaviationtechnology.com
831.345.3440
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