---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/03/07: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:23 AM - Re: Working with Composites: RV-10 (Jay Rowe) 2. 04:43 AM - Re: Battery choices and experience (Larry Rosen) 3. 05:11 AM - Aileron Control Stick Travel (zackrv8) 4. 07:46 AM - Re: Aileron Control Stick Travel (Sam Marlow) 5. 09:52 AM - Fuel flow gauge based on fuel injector spider pressure (Tim Lewis) 6. 10:51 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Leaks (Rob Kermanj) 7. 03:37 PM - Re: Aileron Control Stick Travel (zackrv8) 8. 05:30 PM - How long to wait until priming/painting Proseal? (James Hein) 9. 07:08 PM - Empty weight.. (Ted French) 10. 07:28 PM - Re: Empty weight.. (Jesse Saint) 11. 08:04 PM - Re: Aileron Control Stick Travel (DejaVu) 12. 08:12 PM - Re: Flap positioning system (DejaVu) 13. 08:16 PM - Re: Flap positioning system (dogsbark@comcast.net) 14. 08:22 PM - Com antenna (dogsbark@comcast.net) 15. 09:05 PM - Air Conditioning Kit Complete and Posted (John N. Strain II) 16. 09:10 PM - Re: Com antenna (Jesse Saint) 17. 09:25 PM - Re: Com antenna (DejaVu) 18. 10:51 PM - Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight (aj) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:58 AM PST US From: "Jay Rowe" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Working with Composites: RV-10 The deposit is in the mail. Jay Rowe ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Saylor To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 5:32 PM Subject: RV10-List: Working with Composites: RV-10 Working with Composites: RV-10 This course will provide an overview of the composite parts and techniques used on Van's Aircraft RV-10 kits. We will focus on correct materials and processes, fitting the composite top and doors, cowl, spinner, fairings, and other composite parts. You will recieve hands-on training to identify and use all necessary materials. Examples of completed and in-process assemblies will be available to view. Who: Harold Bunyi and Dave Saylor. Harold holds a BS in Aeronautical Engineering and built kitplane parts in the Phillipines for many years. He has worked at AirCrafters for 4 years and spends nearly all his time working with composites. I started working with composite kitplanes in 1998. I am an A&P/IA, and I have finished the composite sections of my personal RV-10 project, along with many other composite and aluminum projects. I recieved my BS in Aeronautics from San Jose State. When: April 28 & 29, 2007 (Saturday & Sunday) 8AM-4PM Saturday 8AM-3PM Sunday Where: AirCrafters LLC Watsonville Airport (KWVI) 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 www.AirCraftersLLC.com Class size is limited to 15 builders $300 payable by cash, check or credit card Please call or email to register, even if you have emailed expressing interst in the last few days. 50% deposit is required before April 2nd. Balance due before class starts. "Sunday Only" availble for those completing the SportAir Composite course March 24/25, 2007. Cost for Sunday Only is $150. Nearest major airport is San Jose International. 45 minute drive to KWVI. Best Lodging is Watsonville Comfort Inn: 831-728-2300. 10 rooms are reserved under "AirCrafters". Ask for one of those rooms and use your credit card to reserve it. Other lodging is available nearby but the Big Sur Marathon is the same weekend and most local lodging will fill up. Aircraft parking is available at the class site. Please call if we can help with logistics. Many thanks for your interest, Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 3/1/2007 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:58 AM PST US From: Larry Rosen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Battery choices and experience John You might want to check the Rocket crowd. They run IO-540s and there's not much room for a battery much larger than a PC680. John Testement wrote: > Tim O has raised some good questions with my battery choices, and I > would like to hear from those of you who are flying with the Odyssey > PC680. What has been your experience in cranking ability with 1 > PC680? Do you think it is enough to start under most conditions? Would > you strongly recommend starting with the PC925? > > My plan is to use 2 PC680s - one for cranking and the other for the > avionics during start up and as a backup for the ebus. > > Thanks for your comments and suggestions. > > John Testement > jwt@roadmapscoaching.com > 40321 > Richmond, VA > FWF, engine, wiring > do not archive > > -- > 2:43 PM > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:08 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Aileron Control Stick Travel From: "zackrv8" Could anyone please help me with the aileron travel distance? Basically, I need to know the control stick distance from the nuetral position to either side until it hits the aileron stops. Or, another way to put it, does your control stick come close or hit the inside of the door handles at full aileron travel (with back elevator of course)? I know many of you probably have the Infinity grip already on but I am trying to get a rough idea until I hook up my controls. Thanks Joe -------- RV8 #80125 RV10 # 40512 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98464#98464 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:15 AM PST US From: Sam Marlow Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aileron Control Stick Travel The best I recall, the ailerons limit the travel somewhat, so, if they hit the side walls now, I think that's normal. Sam Marlow zackrv8 wrote: > > Could anyone please help me with the aileron travel distance? Basically, I need to know the control stick distance from the nuetral position to either side until it hits the aileron stops. > > Or, another way to put it, does your control stick come close or hit the inside of the door handles at full aileron travel (with back elevator of course)? > > I know many of you probably have the Infinity grip already on but I am trying to get a rough idea until I hook up my controls. > > Thanks > > Joe > > -------- > RV8 #80125 > RV10 # 40512 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98464#98464 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:40 AM PST US From: Tim Lewis Subject: RV10-List: Fuel flow gauge based on fuel injector spider pressure Does anybody know the pressure range of the "gauge" port (nozzle pressure) on the Bendix spider (RSA-5AD1 fuel injection system)? This would seem to be a handy item to display in the cockpit (or on the ground) to help troubleshoot things like plugged injectors. My primary fuel flow measurement will come from my engine monitor's flowscan. Thanks, Tim Lewis ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:31 AM PST US From: "Rob Kermanj" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Tank Leaks I also had a couple of fuel leaks and tried working from the outside. Of course I had no luck and had to cut the tank and fix it from the inside. I got an Access Panel plate from van along with pop rivets that had closed ends. You need to cut a circular hole on the aft side of the tank and reach inside and reseal along the suspected joint in X, Y and Z directions. This repair sounds a lot more complicated and drastic than you it really is. It took me a lot of time admiring my problem that it took to fix it. You may need more than one opening in your case to fix everything. Good luck. Contact me offline if you additional info. Do not archive On 3/2/07, Kent Forsythe wrote: > > > I have completed my tanks and during testing have noticed some leaks > along the rear baffle and the tank skins. No doubt I did not get > enough or good placement of the tank sealant. Does anyone have any > tricks for getting into the tank to get more sealant along that those > edges? I thought about taking the fuel senders out so that I could get > in through that hole. On the outer edges, I can get in through the fuel > cap area. I am having trouble getting to the middle of the tanks > though. Is it acceptable to seal on the outside of the tank where the > baffle meets the skins? > > Thanks, > > Kent > > Kent Forsythe > 40338 - Wings > Slow Build All The Way! > > -- Rob Kermanj ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:37:31 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aileron Control Stick Travel From: "zackrv8" Thanks Sam! quote="sam(at)fr8dog.net"]The best I recall, the ailerons limit the travel somewhat, so, if they hit the side walls now, I think that's normal. Sam Marlow zackrv8 wrote: > > > Could anyone please help me with the aileron travel distance? Basically, I need to know the control stick distance from the nuetral position to either side until it hits the aileron stops. > > Or, another way to put it, does your control stick come close or hit the inside of the door handles at full aileron travel (with back elevator of course)? > > I know many of you probably have the Infinity grip already on but I am trying to get a rough idea until I hook up my controls. > > Thanks > > Joe > > -------- > RV8 #80125 > RV10 # 40512 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98464#98464 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- RV8 #80125 RV10 # 40512 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98558#98558 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:51 PM PST US From: James Hein Subject: RV10-List: How long to wait until priming/painting Proseal? How long do you have to wait after applying Class B-2 Proseal before you can spray primer on it? I am not asking for the cure time (I already know it seems forever!) bit I want to know how soon I can spray primer over the Proseal. Is it hours or days? John? -Jim 40384 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:53 PM PST US From: "Ted French" Subject: RV10-List: Empty weight.. Today I weighed my RV-10. It came in at 1552 lbs. This aircraft has an I0-540 with an MT 3 blade prop, 3 screen GRT panel with small backup instruments and a radio stack with audio panel, sl-30, sl-40 and xpdr. Has a headliner and some side panels of insulation covered in the headliner material It seems to me that this number is low. I am using Aircraft Spruce weigh scales http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/rugglescale.php Tomorrow I will re-weigh it with the scales in different positions to see if they are consistent. Is this weight reasonable. What are the flying RV-10's coming in at empty. If this is the actual weight, then I will be one happy camper :>) Do Not Archive Ted French C-FXCS reserved finishing up ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:34 PM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Empty weight.. That's exactly 1 pound heavier than N416EC with the IO-540 and a Hartzell 2-blade, a similar panel in weight, probably, and most or all of the interior installed and all covered in leather. I don't think that's probably too terribly far off. Do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted French Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 10:06 PM Subject: RV10-List: Empty weight.. Today I weighed my RV-10. It came in at 1552 lbs. This aircraft has an I0-540 with an MT 3 blade prop, 3 screen GRT panel with small backup instruments and a radio stack with audio panel, sl-30, sl-40 and xpdr. Has a headliner and some side panels of insulation covered in the headliner material It seems to me that this number is low. I am using Aircraft Spruce weigh scales http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/rugglescale.php Tomorrow I will re-weigh it with the scales in different positions to see if they are consistent. Is this weight reasonable. What are the flying RV-10's coming in at empty. If this is the actual weight, then I will be one happy camper :>) Do Not Archive Ted French C-FXCS reserved finishing up -- 8:12 AM ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:33 PM PST US From: "DejaVu" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aileron Control Stick Travel Joe, Mine comes close (maybe an inch) to the side. Of course it hits your lap way before that. At full fwd stick mine slightly hits the panel. My panel extends 1" below the stock panel. Anh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Marlow" Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aileron Control Stick Travel > > > > The best I recall, the ailerons limit the travel somewhat, so, if they hit > the side walls now, I think that's normal. > Sam Marlow > > zackrv8 wrote: >> >> Could anyone please help me with the aileron travel distance? Basically, >> I need to know the control stick distance from the nuetral position to >> either side until it hits the aileron stops. >> Or, another way to put it, does your control stick come close or hit the >> inside of the door handles at full aileron travel (with back elevator of >> course)? >> I know many of you probably have the Infinity grip already on but I am >> trying to get a rough idea until I hook up my controls. >> >> Thanks >> >> Joe >> >> -------- >> RV8 #80125 RV10 # 40512 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98464#98464 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:42 PM PST US From: "DejaVu" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap positioning system Same here... no complaints. Anh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 11:37 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap positioning system > > > > Just have the standard one from showplanes. No complaints. I was > skeptical at first since you only get 2 "real" notches of flaps, > but as it turns out, it's plenty good for what the plane needs. > Don't know about any other ones from any experience. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > Eric_Kallio wrote: >> >> Getting ready to order standard build fuse kit. Is the flap positioning >> system that Vans offers on the order form sufficient, or should I go with >> some of the other one-touch flap positioning systems? What are those of >> you flying using? Thanks. >> >> Eric Kallio >> 40518 Fuel tanks (which I waited until last to do) >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:20 PM PST US From: dogsbark@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap positioning system Question......I'm in the process of installing the doulbers for the Com antennas and going the typical conduit and alodine approach others have used under the rear seats. I made the hole in the bottom skin and doubler just large enough for the antenna connection to fit through. Do I need to make this slightly larger so in the future I can get the BNC (sp) connector through the bottom if I need to make a new connection? It will be trapped in there otherwise. Will this cause any problems with grounding? This stuff is all new to me. Thanks for any help. Sean Blair #40225
Question......I'm in the process of installing the doulbers for the Com antennas and going the typical conduit and alodine approach others have used under the rear seats.  I made the hole in the bottom skin and doubler just large enough for the antenna connection to fit through.  Do I need to make this slightly larger so in the future I can get the BNC (sp) connector through the bottom if I need to make a new connection?  It will be trapped in there otherwise.  Will this cause any problems with grounding?
 
This stuff is all new to me.  Thanks for any help.
 
Sean Blair
#40225
________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:17 PM PST US From: dogsbark@comcast.net Subject: RV10-List: Com antenna Oooops...forgot to change the subject Question......I'm in the process of installing the doulbers for the Com antennas and going the typical conduit and alodine approach others have used under the rear seats. I made the hole in the bottom skin and doubler just large enough for the antenna connection to fit through. Do I need to make this slightly larger so in the future I can get the BNC (sp) connector through the bottom if I need to make a new connection? It will be trapped in there otherwise. Will this cause any problems with grounding? This stuff is all new to me. Thanks for any help. Sean Blair #40225
 
 
Oooops...forgot to change the subject
 
Question......I'm in the process of installing the doulbers for the Com antennas and going the typical conduit and alodine approach others have used under the rear seats.  I made the hole in the bottom skin and doubler just large enough for the antenna connection to fit through.  Do I need to make this slightly larger so in the future I can get the BNC (sp) connector through the bottom if I need to make a new connection?  It will be trapped in there otherwise.  Will this cause any problems with grounding?
 
This stuff is all new to me.  Thanks for any help.
 
Sean Blair
#40225
________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:23 PM PST US From: "John N. Strain II" Subject: RV10-List: Air Conditioning Kit Complete and Posted Hi All, Flightline AC has posted the completion of our kits for the RV10. Take a look at the website http://flightlineac.com/vans_aircraft_kits. The overhead photos posted by Thane States is of one of Flightline's overheads that he is showing his installation of. Ed Hayden of Hillsboro has the prototype installed in his airplane and several kits are nearing completion across the country. John Strain Flightline AC, Inc. 541-330-5466 --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:44 PM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Com antenna Absolutely! If you are going to have a connection in a closed area, you need to have the hole big enough to get the wire through, and leave plenty of slack to be able to replace the connector a couple of times if necessary. Without that hole, you won't be able to install the antenna at all because you won't be able to get the wire out of the hole to connect it to the antenna. You should be grounding fine through the screws, which I assume are going into nutplates. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dogsbark@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 11:20 PM Subject: RV10-List: Com antenna Oooops...forgot to change the subject Question......I'm in the process of installing the doulbers for the Com antennas and going the typical conduit and alodine approach others have used under the rear seats. I made the hole in the bottom skin and doubler just large enough for the antenna connection to fit through. Do I need to make this slightly larger so in the future I can get the BNC (sp) connector through the bottom if I need to make a new connection? It will be trapped in there otherwise. Will this cause any problems with grounding? This stuff is all new to me. Thanks for any help. Sean Blair #40225 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:14 PM PST US From: "DejaVu" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Com antenna This reminds me of one squawk I forgot to mention in my PIREP. I had a pro blem with the radio where others could hear me fine but I could not hear th em. I could not even hear the chase plane unless it was within 20 feet of me. Originally I installed the cork gasket that came with the antenna in be tween the antenna base and the fuselage. i.e. grounding through the screws only. Once I took the gasket off grounding improved and I could hear peop le just fine. Anh N591VU ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Saint To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:10 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Com antenna Absolutely! If you are going to have a connection in a closed area, you need to have the hole big enough to get the wire through, and leave plenty of slack to be able to replace the connector a couple of times if necessary Without that hole, you won't be able to install the antenna at all becau se you won't be able to get the wire out of the hole to connect it to the a ntenna. You should be grounding fine through the screws, which I assume ar e going into nutplates. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server @matronics.com] On Behalf Of dogsbark@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 11:20 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Com antenna Oooops...forgot to change the subject Question......I'm in the process of installing the doulbers for the Com antennas and going the typical conduit and alodine approach others have us ed under the rear seats. I made the hole in the bottom skin and doubler ju st large enough for the antenna connection to fit through. Do I need to ma ke this slightly larger so in the future I can get the BNC (sp) connector t hrough the bottom if I need to make a new connection? It will be trapped i n there otherwise. Will this cause any problems with grounding? This stuff is all new to me. Thanks for any help. Sean Blair #40225 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:10 PM PST US From: aj Subject: RV10-List: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight Scott, Thanks for the update, always exciting to hear about rventures. Just a thought about the Cheltons-- I recall Tim saying the Pinpoint doesn't use gps inputs for its navigation solution. He seemed to view this as a positive in case your gps feeds get blocked, delayed, etc. Nevertheless, no sensor onboard provides as accurate a positional estimate as gps, so it really doesn't matter how superior the algorithm may be, the optimal solution would have gps. Just wondering if this might be the cause of some of the altitude wondering... ajay Well, I just finished flying some good hard IFR last week in the -10. My wife and I packed up our bags and left Salt Lake City for the Bahamas. Once we hit Texas I flew IFR all the way to the Bahamas. No big storms just low ceilings and clouds at all levels. The RV-10 did awesome and the Cheltons were amazing. I really learned how to quickly modify my flight plan on the Cheltons. I still do have some issues with the altitude wandering from the Chelton and there is a little bit of side to side motion from the Cheltons as well. I would typically let the Cheltons handle the lateral steering and just let the Digiflight handle the altitude. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.