RV10-List Digest Archive

Sun 03/04/07


Total Messages Posted: 24



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 05:26 AM - Re: Aileron Control Stick Travel (zackrv8)
     2. 06:01 AM - Wing Heights ()
     3. 06:26 AM - Re: Wing Heights (DejaVu)
     4. 06:31 AM - Re: Com antenna (John Ackerman)
     5. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight (DejaVu)
     6. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: Wing Heights ()
     7. 07:23 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Leaks (evmeg@snowcrest.net)
     8. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight (Tim Olson)
     9. 07:28 AM - Re: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight (Tim Olson)
    10. 07:31 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Leaks (James Hein)
    11. 07:51 AM - Re: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight (DejaVu)
    12. 08:13 AM - Re: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight (Tim Olson)
    13. 08:18 AM - Re: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight (Jerry Grimmonpre)
    14. 08:27 AM - Com antennas (Chris Hukill)
    15. 09:16 AM - Re: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight (Tim Olson)
    16. 09:16 AM - Re: Air Conditioning Kit Complete and Posted (Dj Merrill)
    17. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Control Stick Travel (linn Walters)
    18. 11:29 AM - New Design Brake Pedals For RV Aircraft (Dave Hertner)
    19. 11:48 AM - Re: Wing Heights (plus T-Hanger measure request) (Tim Olson)
    20. 07:38 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Control Stick Travel (Jesse Saint)
    21. 07:48 PM - Re: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight (Jesse Saint)
    22. 08:24 PM - Re: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight (Tim Olson)
    23. 08:45 PM - Re: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight (Rick)
    24. 08:47 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Leaks (Rick)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:26:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Aileron Control Stick Travel
    From: "zackrv8" <zackrv8@verizon.net>
    Thanks Anh. It was hard for me to stick my fat fingers between the door and Vans square handle. Dave made up a prototype inside door handle from aluminum billet and we noticed the stick comes very close. However, after sitting in the plane, you are right....the stick will hit your legs before it hits the door handle. Sounds like we might have to chop a little off the stick to clear the foward panel with an Infinity Stick Grip on it. Zack wvu(at)ameritel.net wrote: > Joe, > Mine comes close (maybe an inch) to the side. Of course it hits your lap way > before that. > > At full fwd stick mine slightly hits the panel. My panel extends 1" below > the stock panel. > Anh > > --- -------- RV8 #80125 RV10 # 40512 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98617#98617


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    Time: 06:01:58 AM PST US
    From: <jim@CombsFive.Com>
    Subject: Wing Heights
    I have a hanger that can be shared with an RV-7. Can someone with a finished aircraft give the a couple of distance measurements? (1) Just outside the main landing gear, Distance to the bottom of the wing to the ground. Spar and edge of raised flap. (2) At the wing tip / wing intersection, Distance to the bottom of the wing to the ground. Spar and rear edge of wingtip (3) Tail tie down to ground measurement. We are looking to see if the wings will overlap enough to allow really close quarters. It would be nice not to have to move one airplane to get the other out. Thanks, Jim Combs N312F - Finish Kit 40192 Do Not Archive


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    Time: 06:26:12 AM PST US
    From: "DejaVu" <wvu@ameritel.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing Heights
    Jim, I'm about to go to the airport for some hangar flying (gusting to 40 today). I'll try to do that for you. Meanwhile attached are two pictures which you can use a ruler and estimate if it'll work for you. Perhaps an Aerolift like the one shown in the pictures is one solution. If you do take this route, just know that it does not work quite well with RV-10s yet. I'm working with them to resolve this. Anh N591VU ----- Original Message ----- From: <jim@CombsFive.Com> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: RV10-List: Wing Heights > > > > I have a hanger that can be shared with an RV-7. Can someone with a > finished aircraft give the a couple of distance measurements? > > (1) Just outside the main landing gear, Distance to the bottom of the wing > to the ground. Spar and edge of raised flap. > > (2) At the wing tip / wing intersection, Distance to the bottom of the > wing to the ground. Spar and rear edge of wingtip > > (3) Tail tie down to ground measurement. > > We are looking to see if the wings will overlap enough to allow really > close quarters. It would be nice not to have to move one airplane to get > the other out. > > Thanks, Jim Combs > N312F - Finish Kit > 40192 > > Do Not Archive > > >


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    Time: 06:31:25 AM PST US
    From: John Ackerman <johnag5b@cableone.net>
    Subject: Re: Com antenna
    Sean - FWIW, I made a couple inspection plates right over the antennae in the forward outer corners of the seat floors, and mounted them with angles riveted to the ribs and a homemade U-channel at the aft end of the doubler, riveted to the seat floor. This makes it easy to get at the antennae, and helps immensely with running the wiring. I put a hole in the middle of the inspection plate with a large rubber grommet that was a slide fit on Van's conduit, and ran the conduit vertically there to and through the uppermost lightening hole immediately forward of the inspection plate. This allows the inspection plate to be slid up and out of the way when you need to get in there. There is one conduit running under the baggage floors to the inspection plate/antenna area, and another that goes forward from there. This lets me push and pull on the big #2 cable, especially, thus expediting the threading of wires. Hope this is of some use John Ackerman On Mar 3, 2007, at 9:19 PM, dogsbark@comcast.net wrote: > > > Oooops...forgot to change the subject > > Question......I'm in the process of installing the doulbers for the > Com antennas and going the typical conduit and alodine approach > others have used under the rear seats. I made the hole in the > bottom skin and doubler just large enough for the antenna > connection to fit through. Do I need to make this slightly larger > so in the future I can get the BNC (sp) connector through the > bottom if I need to make a new connection? It will be trapped in > there otherwise. Will this cause any problems with grounding? > > This stuff is all new to me. Thanks for any help. > > Sean Blair > #40225 > >


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    Time: 06:35:16 AM PST US
    From: "DejaVu" <wvu@ameritel.net>
    Subject: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight
    I don't fully understand the guts of the DigiFlight II. It can work as a stand alone unit and not relying on an external AHRS, right? Sometimes engaging the ALT hold commands a ~500fpm descent. Sometimes it would eventually level out. Other times I get impatient waiting to see if it would level out. Doing an inflight GYRO reset usually corrects the problem. Anh N591VU ----- Original Message ----- From: "aj" <ajhauter@yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 1:50 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight > > > > Scott, > > Thanks for the update, always exciting to hear about rventures. > > Just a thought about the Cheltons-- I recall Tim saying the Pinpoint > doesn't use gps inputs for its navigation solution. He seemed to view > this as a positive in case your gps feeds get blocked, delayed, etc. > Nevertheless, no sensor onboard provides as accurate a positional estimate > as gps, so it really doesn't matter how superior the algorithm may be, the > optimal solution would have gps. Just wondering if this might be the > cause of some of the altitude wondering... > > ajay > > Well, I just finished flying some good hard IFR last week in the -10. My > wife and I packed up our bags and left Salt Lake City for the Bahamas. > Once we hit Texas I flew IFR all the way to the Bahamas. No big storms > just low ceilings and clouds at all levels. The RV-10 did awesome and the > Cheltons were amazing. I really learned how to quickly modify my flight > plan on the Cheltons. I still do have some issues with the altitude > wandering from the Chelton and there is a little bit of side to side > motion from the Cheltons as well. I would typically let the Cheltons > handle the lateral steering and just let the Digiflight handle the > altitude. > > >


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    Time: 06:46:48 AM PST US
    From: <jim@CombsFive.Com>
    Subject: Re: Wing Heights
    Anh, Thanks, Do Not Archive =========================================================== From: "DejaVu" <wvu@ameritel.net> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Heights Jim, I'm about to go to the airport for some hangar flying (gusting to 40 today). I'll try to do that for you. Anh N591VU .


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    Time: 07:23:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuel Tank Leaks
    From: evmeg@snowcrest.net
    Before you cut your tank up you can try to run some thinned down sealant along the inside edge. I do this on all of my tanks as a matter of practice. Just mix up some sealant and thin it down with MEK....about 1 part mixed sealant to 1 part MEK. Then you can dump it into the lower outboard corner of the tank through the fuel cap....I use a paper funnel to keep it where I want it. Now just tip the tank up and run the mixture down the seam to the other end. Turn it over and run it back and just keep it moving until it is all used up. If that does no good then go ahead and cut the holes in the back. Good luck and feel free to contact me with questions. Cheers. Evan Johnson (400+ sets of RV tanks) (530)351-1776 > I also had a couple of fuel leaks and tried working from the outside. Of > course I had no luck and had to cut the tank and fix it from the inside. > > I got an Access Panel plate from van along with pop rivets that had closed > ends. You need to cut a circular hole on the aft side of the tank and > reach > inside and reseal along the suspected joint in X, Y and Z directions. > This > repair sounds a lot more complicated and drastic than you it really is. > It > took me a lot of time admiring my problem that it took to fix it. > > You may need more than one opening in your case to fix everything. Good > luck. > > Contact me offline if you additional info. > > Do not archive > > On 3/2/07, Kent Forsythe <rv10builder@4sythe.com> wrote: >> >> >> I have completed my tanks and during testing have noticed some leaks >> along the rear baffle and the tank skins. No doubt I did not get >> enough or good placement of the tank sealant. Does anyone have any >> tricks for getting into the tank to get more sealant along that those >> edges? I thought about taking the fuel senders out so that I could get >> in through that hole. On the outer edges, I can get in through the fuel >> cap area. I am having trouble getting to the middle of the tanks >> though. Is it acceptable to seal on the outside of the tank where the >> baffle meets the skins? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Kent >> >> Kent Forsythe >> 40338 - Wings >> Slow Build All The Way! >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Rob Kermanj > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. http://www.snowcrest.net


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    Time: 07:24:06 AM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight
    AJ, No, the GPS aiding, or lack thereof, isn't at all what's in play with Scott's wanderings. It's solely a function of getting the proper settings in both the screens and the autopilot. Making an autopilot fly straight is easy. Making an autopilot capable of GPSS fly a perfectly straight track with no wing wag is slightly (but only slightly harder). Making it fly perfectly level and fly up and down and capture target altitudes is a bit harder yet. This is just because the more function you have, the more variety of settings there are that you have to tweak for your specific aircraft to get them to perform. I gave Scott some baseline settings a while back that improved his performance a bit. I've had pretty much perfect performance laterally, and after a bunch of testing, and adjusting some non-standard stuff on the TruTrak, I had very good vertical performance too. Not perfect, in that altitudes would wander 20-30' at times, but good enough to fly any approach. The thing to keep in mind is that before EFIS, with their great air data and resolution, you wouldn't generally even know if you were 10-20' off...the precision wasn't there. Now we know. Currently, we're on the final quest for perfection with getting the proper mix of settings for the 2 main models of TruTraks to work well with GPSV. There were some software issues with the TruTrak's that were fixed in software version 2.22, so if Scott's not running 2.22, then that's first and foremost something to change. They also did some work on improving it in Chelton SW 6.0A9, and more in the soon to come 6.0A10 that are supposed to keep wanderings with GPSV and TruTraks down to 7'. But we're still working on identifying the proper settings with the current software. The most important thing to remember is that anyone who's buying any system that will control their AP for lateral and especially vertical performance is that there is a bit of flight work to be done to get them tuned in. You can't do as I did for months and just take off and go places....you need to go out and actually do some tuning flights to make sure you get everything right for your airplane. The baselines that we have now are pretty good, but everyones may be a little different due to airframe differences. There are many settings that affect things...and I learned a couple more even last week. EFIS: Autopilot Analog Gain (affects roll and heading capture) Autopilot Pitch Gain (affects pitch performance) Vproc (setting procedure speed affects roll and wideness of turns and heading capture) Vclimb (setting climb speed affects pitch angle of autopilot... may also be using mach climb settings) Autopilot Roll Steering PID Loop (Needs to be disabled since TT does it in their system) Autopilot Valid Polarity (should be "open collector is valid") TruTrak: Lateral Activity (greatly affects roll characteristics) Lateral Torque Bank Angle (Low-med-high) Microactivity (both pitch and roll...can definitely affect performance) GPSS Gain (Obviously, this can affect a lot on turns and GPSS captures) Vertical Activity (this setting has a huge affect on our RV-10s) Min. Airspeed (affects pitch performance) Max. Airspeed (affects pitch performance) Static Lag (can affect how the AP assumes the speed at which your static system is responding to altitude differences) Half Step (can give finer resolution to pitch adjustments) GPSV Gain (has a huge affect on ability to hold and capture altitudes in some cases) There are others that have possible affects too in the TT. So you can see from the above list, it's definitely not going to be "plug-and-play" for anyone who's going to fly a system with all the vertical and lateral features. I've had a pretty easy time getting lateral to work perfectly. It took a bit of playing to get to where I was very satisfied vertically. But not being one to accept less than perfect, I'm currently working with a few people to come up with what will work as the best possible RV-10 baseline....which will also assume you're running the very latest TruTrak and EFIS softwares. As recently as last week, I found out that Vclimb, on the EFIS, wasn't just there so you could mark your EFIS speed tape with climb speed. I had it set to 106kts. Well, it turns out it also affects the pitch angle for altitude captures....so now I need to go out and set to perhaps a more appropriate setting for cruise climb. It's these little things that can make all the difference. For Scott's lateral wandering, I think that should be easy to lick. I'd start with perhaps trying a number between 100 and 128 for the "Autopilot Analog Gain" setting, and set Vproc to 145-150kts. And, I'd say try an Lateral activity of 3 on the AP, and maybe try switching between bank angle high and bank angle medium. For the vertical wandering, I'd say start by making sure he's at 6.0A9 and TruTrak 2.22...and if not, stop there and get that taken care of. Then shoot me every speed and AP setting in the EFIS, and every autopilot setting and I'll take a peek at what's set. It won't be long though and we'll have a better baseline documented that he and anyone else can refer to in getting started. With the dropout of D2A from the Chelton line, we're actually getting much better support. There is now open communication to a technical support person within Chelton, which is new because D2A used to only deal with people directly and not have you call Chelton. Deliveries are flowing, and I hear they're sending out about 20 systems per week of the old D2A "theft" backlog. People are getting systems with both Crossbow and Pinpoint AHRS installed and flying. Chelton has stepped up an begun calling the Pinpoint the "Chelton AHRS" (refer to their website), and is supporting it fully, and unofficially we've heard that the manufacturing was done by one of the other foreign Chelton group companies along with components from the same Chelton contractors who actually made many of the parts in the EFIS. So they're stepping out from behind the curtain a bit and are doing much better than D2A at pretty much everything. Heck, the fact that when people pay for equipment they get it is something new...with the D2A situation. I've heard some rumors as to the amount of their "theft" (I'll just call it that because it's obviously "theft by fraud") and the dollar figures are staggering. So in short, it isn't surprising to see someone having wandering problems, both laterally and vertically, when externally controlling their AP. There's a lot of work to do....and everyone who's installing a similar high-end EFIS and autopilot will go through these same steps. It doesn't have to do with the GPS aiding of the AHRS, but the large number of settings which must be set. Too many builders, and I'm not pointing fingers at Scott here, just plug it all together, (or buy a pre-made panel), and then just assume it's all going to work the way they want when they start flying. This is probably true, if you're running the old six-pack and just a GPS/Nav/Com, but certainly not when you're running any of the most sophisticated stuff (OP Tech / Garmin / Chelton / Grand Rapids) Scott, shoot me an offline email and lets get your situation analyzed a bit and lick this thing. You're going to start a new flying season going all over the country...you may as well have it all set up perfectly and working beautifully. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying aj wrote: > > Scott, > > Thanks for the update, always exciting to hear about rventures. > > Just a thought about the Cheltons-- I recall Tim saying the Pinpoint > doesn't use gps inputs for its navigation solution. He seemed to > view this as a positive in case your gps feeds get blocked, delayed, > etc. Nevertheless, no sensor onboard provides as accurate a > positional estimate as gps, so it really doesn't matter how superior > the algorithm may be, the optimal solution would have gps. Just > wondering if this might be the cause of some of the altitude > wondering... > > ajay > > Well, I just finished flying some good hard IFR last week in the -10. > My wife and I packed up our bags and left Salt Lake City for the > Bahamas. Once we hit Texas I flew IFR all the way to the Bahamas. No > big storms just low ceilings and clouds at all levels. The RV-10 did > awesome and the Cheltons were amazing. I really learned how to > quickly modify my flight plan on the Cheltons. I still do have some > issues with the altitude wandering from the Chelton and there is a > little bit of side to side motion from the Cheltons as well. I would > typically let the Cheltons handle the lateral steering and just let > the Digiflight handle the altitude. >


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    Time: 07:28:59 AM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight
    Can you list your settings? It would be interesting to see how it's set up before commenting. But, I think I saw an improvement in vertical control after I got the torque enhancer for the pitch servo...the wheel and channel one. If you get that one, BE SURE to doublecheck your cable end clamping setscrews to make sure their tight before you fly. Other than that, it works well. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive DejaVu wrote: > > I don't fully understand the guts of the DigiFlight II. It can work as > a stand alone unit and not relying on an external AHRS, right? > Sometimes engaging the ALT hold commands a ~500fpm descent. Sometimes > it would eventually level out. Other times I get impatient waiting to > see if it would level out. Doing an inflight GYRO reset usually > corrects the problem. > Anh > N591VU > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "aj" <ajhauter@yahoo.com> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 1:50 AM > Subject: RV10-List: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight > > >> >> >> >> Scott, >> >> Thanks for the update, always exciting to hear about rventures. >> >> Just a thought about the Cheltons-- I recall Tim saying the Pinpoint >> doesn't use gps inputs for its navigation solution. He seemed to view >> this as a positive in case your gps feeds get blocked, delayed, etc. >> Nevertheless, no sensor onboard provides as accurate a positional >> estimate as gps, so it really doesn't matter how superior the >> algorithm may be, the optimal solution would have gps. Just wondering >> if this might be the cause of some of the altitude wondering... >> >> ajay >> >> Well, I just finished flying some good hard IFR last week in the -10. >> My wife and I packed up our bags and left Salt Lake City for the >> Bahamas. Once we hit Texas I flew IFR all the way to the Bahamas. No >> big storms just low ceilings and clouds at all levels. The RV-10 did >> awesome and the Cheltons were amazing. I really learned how to quickly >> modify my flight plan on the Cheltons. I still do have some issues >> with the altitude wandering from the Chelton and there is a little bit >> of side to side motion from the Cheltons as well. I would typically >> let the Cheltons handle the lateral steering and just let the >> Digiflight handle the altitude. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >


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    Time: 07:31:26 AM PST US
    From: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
    Subject: Re: Fuel Tank Leaks
    Be careful thinning! From the info in a PDF previously posted: "There has been much discussion regarding thinning tank sealant in order to get it to flow into small cracks or voids. While the manufacturers do not recommend doing so, as they must maintain compliance with the Mil spec., tank sealant can be thinned using Toluene. *Sealant can be thinned with up to 15% Toluene, by weight*, without affecting the properties of the sealant. While other solvents, such as *MEK, may thin tank sealant, they may also affect its properties* with potential adverse results, so it is recommended to use Toluene if you must thin the sealant. *An alternative to thinning the sealant is to use a Class A sealant whenever a lower viscosity is needed"* -Jim 40384, Finished putting in fuel return lines... All sealed up! evmeg@snowcrest.net wrote: > > >Before you cut your tank up you can try to run some thinned down sealant >along the inside edge. I do this on all of my tanks as a matter of >practice. Just mix up some sealant and thin it down with MEK....about 1 >part mixed sealant to 1 part MEK. Then you can dump it into the lower >outboard corner of the tank through the fuel cap....I use a paper funnel >to keep it where I want it. Now just tip the tank up and run the mixture >down the seam to the other end. Turn it over and run it back and just keep >it moving until it is all used up. If that does no good then go ahead and >cut the holes in the back. Good luck and feel free to contact me with >questions. >Cheers. >Evan Johnson (400+ sets of RV tanks) >(530)351-1776 > > > > >>I also had a couple of fuel leaks and tried working from the outside. Of >>course I had no luck and had to cut the tank and fix it from the inside. >> >>I got an Access Panel plate from van along with pop rivets that had closed >>ends. You need to cut a circular hole on the aft side of the tank and >>reach >>inside and reseal along the suspected joint in X, Y and Z directions. >>This >>repair sounds a lot more complicated and drastic than you it really is. >>It >>took me a lot of time admiring my problem that it took to fix it. >> >>You may need more than one opening in your case to fix everything. Good >>luck. >> >>Contact me offline if you additional info. >> >>Do not archive >> >>On 3/2/07, Kent Forsythe <rv10builder@4sythe.com> wrote: >> >> >>> >>>I have completed my tanks and during testing have noticed some leaks >>>along the rear baffle and the tank skins. No doubt I did not get >>>enough or good placement of the tank sealant. Does anyone have any >>>tricks for getting into the tank to get more sealant along that those >>>edges? I thought about taking the fuel senders out so that I could get >>>in through that hole. On the outer edges, I can get in through the fuel >>>cap area. I am having trouble getting to the middle of the tanks >>>though. Is it acceptable to seal on the outside of the tank where the >>>baffle meets the skins? >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Kent >>> >>>Kent Forsythe >>>40338 - Wings >>>Slow Build All The Way! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Rob Kermanj >> >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. >http://www.snowcrest.net > > > >


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    Time: 07:51:22 AM PST US
    From: "DejaVu" <wvu@ameritel.net>
    Subject: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight
    Tim, I'll check the settings, meanwhile.... I have the IIG, no vertical steering. I have a hard time seeing how the torque enhancer would change the fact it commands a descent (of no particular rate). With the enhancer I imagine that it would just commands a descent better. Anh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight > > > > Can you list your settings? It would be interesting to see how > it's set up before commenting. But, I think I saw an improvement > in vertical control after I got the torque enhancer for the pitch > servo...the wheel and channel one. If you get that one, BE SURE > to doublecheck your cable end clamping setscrews to make sure their > tight before you fly. Other than that, it works well. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > DejaVu wrote: >> >> I don't fully understand the guts of the DigiFlight II. It can work as a >> stand alone unit and not relying on an external AHRS, right? >> Sometimes engaging the ALT hold commands a ~500fpm descent. Sometimes it >> would eventually level out. Other times I get impatient waiting to see >> if it would level out. Doing an inflight GYRO reset usually corrects the >> problem. >> Anh >> N591VU >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "aj" <ajhauter@yahoo.com> >> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 1:50 AM >> Subject: RV10-List: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> Scott, >>> >>> Thanks for the update, always exciting to hear about rventures. >>> >>> Just a thought about the Cheltons-- I recall Tim saying the Pinpoint >>> doesn't use gps inputs for its navigation solution. He seemed to view >>> this as a positive in case your gps feeds get blocked, delayed, etc. >>> Nevertheless, no sensor onboard provides as accurate a positional >>> estimate as gps, so it really doesn't matter how superior the algorithm >>> may be, the optimal solution would have gps. Just wondering if this >>> might be the cause of some of the altitude wondering... >>> >>> ajay >>> >>> Well, I just finished flying some good hard IFR last week in the -10. My >>> wife and I packed up our bags and left Salt Lake City for the Bahamas. >>> Once we hit Texas I flew IFR all the way to the Bahamas. No big storms >>> just low ceilings and clouds at all levels. The RV-10 did awesome and >>> the Cheltons were amazing. I really learned how to quickly modify my >>> flight plan on the Cheltons. I still do have some issues with the >>> altitude wandering from the Chelton and there is a little bit of side to >>> side motion from the Cheltons as well. I would typically let the >>> Cheltons handle the lateral steering and just let the Digiflight handle >>> the altitude. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 08:13:24 AM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight
    I was thinking back to mine in that I had some funky pitch dives during my flyoff when it was out of trim and the torque servo would then slip. It behaved very strangely. But if you're perfectly in trim when you engage, then you're probably right that the torque enhancer wouldn't change things. I did find it a nice mod for a VSGV system...but not sure how that will come into play in your situation. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive DejaVu wrote: > > Tim, I'll check the settings, meanwhile.... I have the IIG, no vertical > steering. I have a hard time seeing how the torque enhancer would change > the fact it commands a descent (of no particular rate). With the > enhancer I imagine that it would just commands a descent better. > Anh > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 10:28 AM > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight > > >> >> >> >> Can you list your settings? It would be interesting to see how >> it's set up before commenting. But, I think I saw an improvement >> in vertical control after I got the torque enhancer for the pitch >> servo...the wheel and channel one. If you get that one, BE SURE >> to doublecheck your cable end clamping setscrews to make sure their >> tight before you fly. Other than that, it works well. >> >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >> do not archive >> >> >> DejaVu wrote: >>> >>> I don't fully understand the guts of the DigiFlight II. It can work >>> as a stand alone unit and not relying on an external AHRS, right? >>> Sometimes engaging the ALT hold commands a ~500fpm descent. >>> Sometimes it would eventually level out. Other times I get impatient >>> waiting to see if it would level out. Doing an inflight GYRO reset >>> usually corrects the problem. >>> Anh >>> N591VU >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "aj" <ajhauter@yahoo.com> >>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 1:50 AM >>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Scott, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the update, always exciting to hear about rventures. >>>> >>>> Just a thought about the Cheltons-- I recall Tim saying the >>>> Pinpoint doesn't use gps inputs for its navigation solution. He >>>> seemed to view this as a positive in case your gps feeds get >>>> blocked, delayed, etc. Nevertheless, no sensor onboard provides as >>>> accurate a positional estimate as gps, so it really doesn't matter >>>> how superior the algorithm may be, the optimal solution would have >>>> gps. Just wondering if this might be the cause of some of the >>>> altitude wondering... >>>> >>>> ajay >>>> >>>> Well, I just finished flying some good hard IFR last week in the >>>> -10. My wife and I packed up our bags and left Salt Lake City for >>>> the Bahamas. Once we hit Texas I flew IFR all the way to the >>>> Bahamas. No big storms just low ceilings and clouds at all levels. >>>> The RV-10 did awesome and the Cheltons were amazing. I really >>>> learned how to quickly modify my flight plan on the Cheltons. I >>>> still do have some issues with the altitude wandering from the >>>> Chelton and there is a little bit of side to side motion from the >>>> Cheltons as well. I would typically let the Cheltons handle the >>>> lateral steering and just let the Digiflight handle the altitude. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >


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    Time: 08:18:26 AM PST US
    From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
    Subject: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight
    Tim ... This is good info ... are you archiving posts, such as this, to your site? A lurker ... Jerry Grimmonpre RV8 wires ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 9:23 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight


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    Time: 08:27:03 AM PST US
    From: "Chris Hukill" <cjhukill@cox.net>
    Subject: Com antennas
    Why don't you mount the antennas just forward of the rear seats, under the flap tube cover? The coax is accessible when the covers are off, and the flange of the aft spar bulkhead is a ready made doubler for the aft mount screws of the antennas. I'll send you pictures if you want. Chris Hukill cjhukill@cox.net


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    Time: 09:16:44 AM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight
    I haven't archived this particular info on my site yet, but I will once we get through the final process and have a great baseline. It's nice to have a good web reference for this stuff, you're right. I'd like to hopefully get enough info so that no matter what EFIS you're using you have a place to look for AP/EFIS setup info. If anyone has others, especially GRT, where they're flying vertical steering and want to do a full setting documentation, just write it up on a spreadsheet or something and I'll be happy to post that too. There's just not enough good info out there, including from any manufacturers install docs and manuals, to get into the detail that's nice to have. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Jerry Grimmonpre wrote: > > Tim ... > This is good info ... are you archiving posts, such as this, to your site? > A lurker ... > Jerry Grimmonpre > RV8 wires > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 9:23 AM > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight > >


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    Time: 09:16:44 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Air Conditioning Kit Complete and Posted
    From: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>
    John N. Strain II wrote: > Hi All, > > Flightline AC has posted the completion of our kits for the RV10. Take > a look at the website http://flightlineac.com/vans_aircraft_kits. Hi John, Do you know what the prices are? I might have missed it, but I could not find any on the web site. Thanks! -Dj do not archive


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    Time: 09:33:15 AM PST US
    From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Aileron Control Stick Travel
    Please tell me what unusual attitude you might be in where you need to hit the stops with full forward stick??? You're not planning on taking your -10 on the airshow circuit, are you??? :-P Linn do not archive zackrv8 wrote: > >Thanks Anh. It was hard for me to stick my fat fingers between the door and Vans square handle. Dave made up a prototype inside door handle from aluminum billet and we noticed the stick comes very close. However, after sitting in the plane, you are right....the stick will hit your legs before it hits the door handle. > > Sounds like we might have to chop a little off the stick to clear the foward panel with an Infinity Stick Grip on it. > >Zack > > >wvu(at)ameritel.net wrote: > > >>Joe, >>Mine comes close (maybe an inch) to the side. Of course it hits your lap way >>before that. >> >>At full fwd stick mine slightly hits the panel. My panel extends 1" below >>the stock panel. >>Anh >> >>--- >> >> > > >-------- >RV8 #80125 >RV10 # 40512 > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98617#98617 > > > >


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    Time: 11:29:12 AM PST US
    From: "Dave Hertner" <effectus@rogers.com>
    Subject: New Design Brake Pedals For RV Aircraft
    RV-10 Listers, A while ago I posted that I had finished the design work on a new type of stainless steel brake pedals for RVs. I would like to thank you for the replies and the encouragement to bring them to market. I am happy to announce that I have been able to do just that. I have been fortunate to team up with Mike Lauritsen and his excellent company Cleaveland Aircraft Tools to offer these brake pedals for sale. Mike has great record of providing high quality tools and accessories for the experimental builder. Mike has the brake pedals listed on his website and will be placed in the Accessories section of his next catalogue. They are being offered for $199.00 per set and are ready to ship. Here is a link to Mike's site where you can read more about this new product: http://www.cleavelandtoolstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=RVSGPEDAL Thanks everyone and I hope that you enjoy this new product from my company Effectus AeroProducts Inc. Stay tuned as there are a number of other products that I have in development. I will be offering them to you through Cleaveland Aircraft Tools as well. Dave Hertner #40164 Attaching Canopy


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    Time: 11:48:42 AM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Wing Heights (plus T-Hanger measure request)
    Jim and all, Anh just called me from his hangar where he obtained some recently requested measurements. Here they are: Ground to wing root at spar above wheel: 27.5" Ground to wing tip at spar at end of aluminum wing: 35" Ground to wing at trailing edge wing root: 28.5" Ground to wing end of aluminum near tip at trailing edge: 36.5" Ground to tiedown bolt: 34.5" Ground to tiedown bolt tail: 37" Trailing edge of wing to spinner tip (the fit required for depth of T-hangar): 135" Hope those measurements help everyone who wanted them. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <jim@CombsFive.Com> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 9:01 AM > Subject: RV10-List: Wing Heights > >> >> I have a hanger that can be shared with an RV-7. Can someone with a >> finished aircraft give the a couple of distance measurements? >> >> (1) Just outside the main landing gear, Distance to the bottom of the >> wing to the ground. Spar and edge of raised flap. >> >> (2) At the wing tip / wing intersection, Distance to the bottom of the >> wing to the ground. Spar and rear edge of wingtip >> >> (3) Tail tie down to ground measurement. >> >> We are looking to see if the wings will overlap enough to allow really >> close quarters. It would be nice not to have to move one airplane to >> get the other out. >> >> Thanks, Jim Combs >> N312F - Finish Kit >> 40192 >>


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    Time: 07:38:58 PM PST US
    From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
    Subject: Re: Aileron Control Stick Travel
    We put the infinity grips on the sticks so they just about touch the curved section of the stick. The stick has to be trimmed a fair bit to allow for this. This also makes a good height for resting your hand on your lap when flying, which varies some based on the "thickness" of the driver. Do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of zackrv8 Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 8:25 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aileron Control Stick Travel Thanks Anh. It was hard for me to stick my fat fingers between the door and Vans square handle. Dave made up a prototype inside door handle from aluminum billet and we noticed the stick comes very close. However, after sitting in the plane, you are right....the stick will hit your legs before it hits the door handle. Sounds like we might have to chop a little off the stick to clear the foward panel with an Infinity Stick Grip on it. Zack wvu(at)ameritel.net wrote: > Joe, > Mine comes close (maybe an inch) to the side. Of course it hits your lap way > before that. > > At full fwd stick mine slightly hits the panel. My panel extends 1" below > the stock panel. > Anh > > --- -------- RV8 #80125 RV10 # 40512 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98617#98617 -- 1:58 PM


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    Time: 07:48:16 PM PST US
    From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
    Subject: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight
    On the IIG with a 430 or a Sorcerer with a 430 there were no settings that needed to be changed at all. The IIG has the normal servo and the Sorcerer has the torque enhancer. There is a difference in the strength of the torque enhancer, appropriately. Let's just say, "be careful not to put a map or log book on top of the trim hat on the infinity grips when on auto pilot, because the servo will only hold for so long, and then it will release the plane to the trim setting, which can be a 'wetting' experience." Do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DejaVu Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 10:51 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight Tim, I'll check the settings, meanwhile.... I have the IIG, no vertical steering. I have a hard time seeing how the torque enhancer would change the fact it commands a descent (of no particular rate). With the enhancer I imagine that it would just commands a descent better. Anh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight > > > > Can you list your settings? It would be interesting to see how > it's set up before commenting. But, I think I saw an improvement > in vertical control after I got the torque enhancer for the pitch > servo...the wheel and channel one. If you get that one, BE SURE > to doublecheck your cable end clamping setscrews to make sure their > tight before you fly. Other than that, it works well. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > DejaVu wrote: >> >> I don't fully understand the guts of the DigiFlight II. It can work as a >> stand alone unit and not relying on an external AHRS, right? >> Sometimes engaging the ALT hold commands a ~500fpm descent. Sometimes it >> would eventually level out. Other times I get impatient waiting to see >> if it would level out. Doing an inflight GYRO reset usually corrects the >> problem. >> Anh >> N591VU >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "aj" <ajhauter@yahoo.com> >> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 1:50 AM >> Subject: RV10-List: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> Scott, >>> >>> Thanks for the update, always exciting to hear about rventures. >>> >>> Just a thought about the Cheltons-- I recall Tim saying the Pinpoint >>> doesn't use gps inputs for its navigation solution. He seemed to view >>> this as a positive in case your gps feeds get blocked, delayed, etc. >>> Nevertheless, no sensor onboard provides as accurate a positional >>> estimate as gps, so it really doesn't matter how superior the algorithm >>> may be, the optimal solution would have gps. Just wondering if this >>> might be the cause of some of the altitude wondering... >>> >>> ajay >>> >>> Well, I just finished flying some good hard IFR last week in the -10. My >>> wife and I packed up our bags and left Salt Lake City for the Bahamas. >>> Once we hit Texas I flew IFR all the way to the Bahamas. No big storms >>> just low ceilings and clouds at all levels. The RV-10 did awesome and >>> the Cheltons were amazing. I really learned how to quickly modify my >>> flight plan on the Cheltons. I still do have some issues with the >>> altitude wandering from the Chelton and there is a little bit of side to >>> side motion from the Cheltons as well. I would typically let the >>> Cheltons handle the lateral steering and just let the Digiflight handle >>> the altitude. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- 1:58 PM


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    Time: 08:24:23 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight
    Yes, but you're referring to a IIG, and a 430. I did say that the lateral was pretty easy. Not much to do there for most people. It's the vertical steering for approaches and climbs controlled by an external system that really start to get more complicated. I agree TOTALLY on the inifinity grip + trim. During my flyoff I put one of my binders on my lap and it laid on the trim switch. It didn't take long before I was yelling "whoa!!!" and felt like I was riding a bucking bronco. The trim is very fast at high speeds. Perfect in the pattern though. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Jesse Saint wrote: > > On the IIG with a 430 or a Sorcerer with a 430 there were no settings that > needed to be changed at all. The IIG has the normal servo and the Sorcerer > has the torque enhancer. There is a difference in the strength of the > torque enhancer, appropriately. Let's just say, "be careful not to put a > map or log book on top of the trim hat on the infinity grips when on auto > pilot, because the servo will only hold for so long, and then it will > release the plane to the trim setting, which can be a 'wetting' experience." > > Do not archive > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation, Inc. > jesse@saintaviation.com > www.saintaviation.com > Cell: 352-427-0285 > Fax: 815-377-3694 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DejaVu > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 10:51 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight > > > Tim, I'll check the settings, meanwhile.... I have the IIG, no vertical > steering. I have a hard time seeing how the torque enhancer would change the > > fact it commands a descent (of no particular rate). With the enhancer I > imagine that it would just commands a descent better. > Anh > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 10:28 AM > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight > > >> >> >> Can you list your settings? It would be interesting to see how >> it's set up before commenting. But, I think I saw an improvement >> in vertical control after I got the torque enhancer for the pitch >> servo...the wheel and channel one. If you get that one, BE SURE >> to doublecheck your cable end clamping setscrews to make sure their >> tight before you fly. Other than that, it works well. >> >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >> do not archive >> >> >> DejaVu wrote: >>> >>> I don't fully understand the guts of the DigiFlight II. It can work as a > >>> stand alone unit and not relying on an external AHRS, right? >>> Sometimes engaging the ALT hold commands a ~500fpm descent. Sometimes it > >>> would eventually level out. Other times I get impatient waiting to see >>> if it would level out. Doing an inflight GYRO reset usually corrects the > >>> problem. >>> Anh >>> N591VU >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "aj" <ajhauter@yahoo.com> >>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 1:50 AM >>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Scott, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the update, always exciting to hear about rventures. >>>> >>>> Just a thought about the Cheltons-- I recall Tim saying the Pinpoint >>>> doesn't use gps inputs for its navigation solution. He seemed to view >>>> this as a positive in case your gps feeds get blocked, delayed, etc. >>>> Nevertheless, no sensor onboard provides as accurate a positional >>>> estimate as gps, so it really doesn't matter how superior the algorithm >>>> may be, the optimal solution would have gps. Just wondering if this >>>> might be the cause of some of the altitude wondering... >>>> >>>> ajay >>>> >>>> Well, I just finished flying some good hard IFR last week in the -10. My > >>>> wife and I packed up our bags and left Salt Lake City for the Bahamas. >>>> Once we hit Texas I flew IFR all the way to the Bahamas. No big storms >>>> just low ceilings and clouds at all levels. The RV-10 did awesome and >>>> the Cheltons were amazing. I really learned how to quickly modify my >>>> flight plan on the Cheltons. I still do have some issues with the >>>> altitude wandering from the Chelton and there is a little bit of side to > >>>> side motion from the Cheltons as well. I would typically let the >>>> Cheltons handle the lateral steering and just let the Digiflight handle >>>> the altitude. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:45:44 PM PST US
    From: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight
    Maybe I missed something but, As I read down Scott's post, I recall him mention that Randy, his Father-in-Law had passed away which led to his hurried return trip, ALONE. FWIW, my sympathies to Scott's wife and their family for their loss, NOW let's chat about the auto pilot. Jeeez guys!! (unless my screwy HTML email made me miss the appropriate responses, then my bad) Rick S. 40185 do not archive


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    Time: 08:47:27 PM PST US
    From: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Fuel Tank Leaks
    Yeah but he has made 400+ sets of tanks ;) He might have a bit is experience fixing leaks!! :) Rick S. 40185 do not archive




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