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1. 12:45 AM - Re: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight (Tim Olson)
2. 04:30 AM - Tail cone F-1032 (Michael D Chase)
3. 05:35 AM - Re: Aileron Control Stick Travel (zackrv8)
4. 06:20 AM - Re: Empty weight.. (PILOTDDS@aol.com)
5. 06:22 AM - Re: Tail cone F-1032 (Eric_Kallio)
6. 06:27 AM - EAA Sport air workshops (Fred Williams, M.D.)
7. 06:42 AM - Re: Empty weight.. (Sean Stephens)
8. 06:45 AM - Re: Re: Tail cone F-1032 (John Jessen)
9. 06:51 AM - Re: Tail cone F-1032 (Rick)
10. 07:35 AM - Re: EAA Sport air workshops (Shawn Moon)
11. 09:17 AM - What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? (Jay Brinkmeyer)
12. 09:52 AM - Re: Tail cone F-1032 (egohr1)
13. 09:59 AM - Re: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? (Kelly McMullen)
14. 10:02 AM - Re: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? (Rob Kermanj)
15. 10:21 AM - Re: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? (Jesse Saint)
16. 11:07 AM - Chelton ADAHRS and Chelton WAAS Beta 3 GPS info is out (Tim Olson)
17. 11:48 AM - Infinity leather (Niko)
18. 11:49 AM - Nosewheel grease fitting (Niko)
19. 11:51 AM - Re: EAA Sport air workshops (jdalton77)
20. 12:13 PM - Re: Nosewheel grease fitting (Rob Kermanj)
21. 12:15 PM - Re: Infinity leather (Chris Johnston)
22. 12:16 PM - Re: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
23. 12:16 PM - Flowscan in tunnel-pirep (pilotdds@aol.com)
24. 12:17 PM - Re: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? (William Curtis)
25. 12:43 PM - Re: Infinity leather (Niko)
26. 12:43 PM - Re: Infinity leather (Jesse Saint)
27. 12:51 PM - Overhead Liner (Niko)
28. 01:31 PM - Re: Infinity leather (Niko)
29. 02:09 PM - Re: Infinity leather (Jesse Saint)
30. 02:10 PM - Re: Overhead Liner (Jesse Saint)
31. 02:27 PM - Re: Fuel flow gauge based on fuel injector spider pressure (Don)
32. 03:15 PM - Re: EAA Sport air workshops (jdalton77)
33. 05:08 PM - Re: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? (Bill DeRouchey)
34. 05:57 PM - Re: Flowscan in tunnel-pirep (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
35. 06:58 PM - Re: Flowscan in tunnel-pirep (Tim Olson)
36. 07:06 PM - Re: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? (Kelly McMullen)
37. 07:17 PM - Waterjet Cutting (Jesse Saint)
38. 09:10 PM - OT: So let's just sue everbody (Tim Olson)
39. 09:59 PM - Re: OT: So let's just sue everbody (Dave Leikam)
40. 11:18 PM - Re: OT: So let's just sue everbody (Rob Hunter)
41. 11:53 PM - Re: OT: So let's just sue everbody (The McGough Family)
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| Subject: | Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight |
Very true Rick, that was the significant part of his post, to be
sure. I can only imagine how tough those circumstances for the
return trip were, and how ReNae must have felt. The obit
made him sounds like an awesome guy to have in the family
if you're building an airplane. It does sound like it
wasn't a totally unexpected event, and Scott's great trip
write up left me with a positive and not a negative feeling,
as it's apparent that he's got a positive outlook on life.
The RV-10 is a great traveling tool. I myself expect that
it's going to take us across the country for a few of the
more downer situations, since we've got lots of older
family members in Florida. It's great that he was able to
have such good ride home. Thinking back to last week's
weather, and the week before that, it was amazing that he
was able to make the trip in the first place. My sympathies
too, are for Scott and especially his wife and her direct
family. I was glad to hear that Scott made it back in time.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Rick wrote:
>
> Maybe I missed something but,
>
> As I read down Scott's post, I recall him mention that Randy, his
> Father-in-Law had passed away which led to his hurried return trip,
> ALONE. FWIW, my sympathies to Scott's wife and their family for their
> loss, NOW let's chat about the auto pilot. Jeeez guys!!
>
> (unless my screwy HTML email made me miss the appropriate responses,
> then my bad)
>
> Rick S. 40185
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Tail cone F-1032 |
Question to the group did anyone else have an issue with their Longerion
breaking during the bending operation or did I get a bad piece of extruded
AL?
I was attempting to put a ~2 degree bend in my F1032R Longerion, had it in
the vice supported at the 20" mark, my 8 year old daughter was preloading
and when I struck it about the 5th time "firmly" right next to the vice
with a rubber mallet it broke where 8 -12 inches further down the "being
bent" end where I had drilled the hole. I can't figure this out, why
would it break in this location? It wasn't hitting anything and from the
attached photo you can see I as striking 8-12 inches up stream of the
break. My concern is I may have gotten a piece of AL with a fault, cold
shock or something? I don't know that much about civilian Aerospace
requirements but would think there must be some test requirements for
extruded material; X-ray, penetrant or MPI. It seems that some if not
most of the Al angle in this kit is structural has anyone else had similar
issues with this piece or any others?
By the way I am now afraid to bend the other side any suggestions from the
group on a good way to bend this piece.
Michael Chase
General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products
802-657-6029 Office
802-922-5930 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Control Stick Travel |
Thanks Jesse!
jesse(at)saintaviation.co wrote:
> We put the infinity grips on the sticks so they just about touch the curved
> section of the stick. The stick has to be trimmed a fair bit to allow for
> this. This also makes a good height for resting your hand on your lap when
> flying, which varies some based on the "thickness" of the driver.
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> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
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| Subject: | Re: Empty weight.. |
728dd came in at 1613 with paint and 3 screen grt .Also garmin 430 sl30 and
tx.That includes paint but no fairings.I used the hartzell.
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| Subject: | Re: Tail cone F-1032 |
Michael, I also "firmly" bent mine in the same manner as you and didn't have this
problem. I would suggest that you call Vans and send them the pictures. It
does look like there could have been weak point in the metal with teh fairly clean
break, but Vans will be the ones to ulitmately determine this and send you
a new piece. I would say go ahead with the other piece and start softer and
build up to more firm strikes. If the second one bends properly you have at least
validated your method prior to contacting Vans. Just my 2 cents as there are
a thousand ways to skin a cat.
Eric Kallio
40518 Fuse on order
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| Subject: | EAA Sport air workshops |
Here's a plug for the EAA sportair workshops. I attended the one on
electrical systems and Avionics in Dallas this weekend. It was taught
by Dick Koehler. Very worthwhile for a newbie like me. The course went
over the design and theory of the electrical systems for our aircraft.
We wired up an intercom harness and a small panel wiring exercise which
basically was the nav lights and panel light circut from the standard
van's wiring diagram.
I'd recommended it to anyone who does not have a good back round in
electronics.
Also got to meet Mark and Angela Lanier from Fort Worth. They are
currently working on wing construction.
Fred Williams
40515
Bottom wing skins riveted
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| Subject: | Re: Empty weight.. |
Just a note on this topic...
It would be helpful if the finished -10s entered their info on Dan's
site. There's a form at the bottom of the page to get started.
<http://www.rvproject.com/wab/>
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On Mar 5, 2007, at 8:18 AM, PILOTDDS@aol.com wrote:
> 728dd came in at 1613 with paint and 3 screen grt .Also garmin 430
> sl30 and tx.That includes paint but no fairings.I used the hartzell.
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| Subject: | Re: Tail cone F-1032 |
Yeah, I second that. They'd want to know this has happened, and I've never
heard this happening before. You don't have to put that much pressure on
the longeron, and I'm sure you didn't. I don't have my electronic plans
with me, but you might think about the order of doing the drilling and
cutting. Wonder if you might mark the location of the drill site first,
bend, then drill.
John Jessen (#328)
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric_Kallio
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 9:22 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Tail cone F-1032
Michael, I also "firmly" bent mine in the same manner as you and didn't have
this problem. I would suggest that you call Vans and send them the pictures.
It does look like there could have been weak point in the metal with teh
fairly clean break, but Vans will be the ones to ulitmately determine this
and send you a new piece. I would say go ahead with the other piece and
start softer and build up to more firm strikes. If the second one bends
properly you have at least validated your method prior to contacting Vans.
Just my 2 cents as there are a thousand ways to skin a cat.
Eric Kallio
40518 Fuse on order
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| Subject: | Re: Tail cone F-1032 |
Preloading the longeron should only be done with a 6 year old girl or 5 year old
boy....
I would say you had a "minor" overload on the longeron that led to the failure.
:)
Actually is must have been a bad pice of metal...I smacked the crap out of mine
and it barely bent let alone fracture.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Sport air workshops |
Fred,=0A Wish I would have known that. I was there doing Composite Cons
truction and it would have been good to meet you and the Laniers, especiall
y since I am now in the Fort Worth area. As for the composite class, I wou
ld recommend it....... but not necessarily for RV-10 builders. Unfortunate
ly we did not spend much time on filling and finishing, which is what I thi
nk 10 builders need more of. It was a very good class, though, for anybody
who would like to try their hand at creating parts or have other projects
that involve more "ground up" composite construction. It was a lot of fun
with a lot of interaction and a knowledgeable instructor.=0A=0A--Shawn=0A40
366=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred@
suddenlinkmail.com>=0ATo: RV 10 <rv10-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Monday, M
arch 5, 2007 8:20:39 AM=0ASubject: RV10-List: EAA Sport air workshops=0A
kmail.com>=0A=0AHere's a plug for the EAA sportair workshops. I attended t
he one on =0Aelectrical systems and Avionics in Dallas this weekend. It wa
s taught =0Aby Dick Koehler. Very worthwhile for a newbie like me. The co
urse went =0Aover the design and theory of the electrical systems for our a
ircraft. =0AWe wired up an intercom harness and a small panel wiring exerc
ise which =0Abasically was the nav lights and panel light circut from the s
tandard =0Avan's wiring diagram. =0A=0AI'd recommended it to anyone who doe
s not have a good back round in =0Aelectronics. =0A=0AAlso got to meet Mark
and Angela Lanier from Fort Worth. They are =0Acurrently working on wing
construction.=0A=0AFred Williams =0A40515=0ABottom wing skins riveted=0A=0A
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| Subject: | What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? |
Hey All,
I'm looking for a sanity check on price/features for a "reman" zero time IO540
D4A5. It's a never used engine (vintage 1979).
Includes:
Fuel injection, magnetos, plugs, harness, starter
6 mo warranty
8.5-1 compression ratio
Full test cell (fuel flow and oil pressure checkes) and dyno balance
All AD's complied with (crank AD not relevant as the crank is older than thoses
affected)
$36.5K (is this a fair price)
Is there anything else I should ask the vendor about?
Thanks,
Jay
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| Subject: | Re: Tail cone F-1032 |
I would send it to Vans.
I just finished benting the Fuse longerons from the 3/4 x 3/4 x .125 angle, and
this bent is gentle and easy compared with them.
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| Subject: | Re: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? |
#1 Question would be how it has been stored. Has it been torn down,
inspected and resealed, or still in original 1979 assembly mode, in
which case the seals are probably junk even if the engine was
perfectly pickled. If it hasn't been open since 1979, as it sounds,
I'd factor in the cost of a teardown, inspect and reseal, figuring any
corroded or otherwise unairworthy part would be covered under said
warranty. Otherwise, you face the fairly high risk of something
failing, perhaps 7 months after you buy it and then you have to
teardown and fix with no warranty.
On 3/5/07, Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hey All,
>
> I'm looking for a sanity check on price/features for a "reman" zero time IO540
D4A5. It's a never used engine (vintage 1979).
>
> Includes:
> Fuel injection, magnetos, plugs, harness, starter
> 6 mo warranty
> 8.5-1 compression ratio
> Full test cell (fuel flow and oil pressure checkes) and dyno balance
> All AD's complied with (crank AD not relevant as the crank is older than thoses
affected)
>
> $36.5K (is this a fair price)
>
> Is there anything else I should ask the vendor about?
>
> Thanks,
> Jay
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? |
Check with Americas Engines, www.overhaul.com. Much less for a newer
engine with brand new ECI cylinders.
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On Mar 5, 2007, at 12:16 PM, Jay Brinkmeyer wrote:
> <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
>
> Hey All,
>
> I'm looking for a sanity check on price/features for a "reman" zero
> time IO540 D4A5. It's a never used engine (vintage 1979).
>
> Includes:
> Fuel injection, magnetos, plugs, harness, starter
> 6 mo warranty
> 8.5-1 compression ratio
> Full test cell (fuel flow and oil pressure checkes) and dyno balance
> All AD's complied with (crank AD not relevant as the crank is older
> than thoses affected)
>
> $36.5K (is this a fair price)
>
> Is there anything else I should ask the vendor about?
>
> Thanks,
> Jay
>
>
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| Subject: | What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? |
Is it worth saving $1,700 to get this certified buy old engine over an
experimental but new Mattituck engine, with the $1,000 discount if you pay
quickly? I am thinking the value would stay with the plane better with the
new one. At $31,500 that might be a deal.
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:16 PM
Subject: RV10-List: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5?
Hey All,
I'm looking for a sanity check on price/features for a "reman" zero time
IO540 D4A5. It's a never used engine (vintage 1979).
Includes:
Fuel injection, magnetos, plugs, harness, starter
6 mo warranty
8.5-1 compression ratio
Full test cell (fuel flow and oil pressure checkes) and dyno balance
All AD's complied with (crank AD not relevant as the crank is older than
thoses affected)
$36.5K (is this a fair price)
Is there anything else I should ask the vendor about?
Thanks,
Jay
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| Subject: | Chelton ADAHRS and Chelton WAAS Beta 3 GPS info is out |
Just saw this posted on another board. Looks like there's
now a bunch more info out about both the origins of the
previously named "pinpoint" AHRS, plus, we can see perhaps
why Chelton is reluctant to "help" people by sending them
a FreeFlight GPS that isn't capable of Beta 3 WAAS approaches
anyway.
It's great to see that they've officially put their name
on it. Does wonders to improve it's validity given the previous
secrecy as to the origins. Looks like nobody has to worry
about support going away for it.
http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/CFSPR_ADAHRS.htm
http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/CFSPR_GPS.htm
http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/PDFs/CFS_ADAHRS.pdf
http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/PDFs/CFS_GPS_Receiver.pdf
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| Subject: | Infinity leather |
I am wondering if Infinity is selling the sticks with a leather option or i
f this something the builders a putting on.=0A=0ANiko
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| Subject: | Nosewheel grease fitting |
There is a grease fitting on the nosewheel but no mention of applying greas
e in the manual. It doesn't appear to me that grease at this location woul
d do much good. Are builders putting grease at this location?=0A=0AThanks
=0ANiko=0A40188
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Sport air workshops |
I'm taking it in April. Thanks for the Pirep!
Jeff
Wings
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From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 9:20 AM
Subject: RV10-List: EAA Sport air workshops
> <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>
> Here's a plug for the EAA sportair workshops. I attended the one on
> electrical systems and Avionics in Dallas this weekend. It was taught by
> Dick Koehler. Very worthwhile for a newbie like me. The course went over
> the design and theory of the electrical systems for our aircraft. We
> wired up an intercom harness and a small panel wiring exercise which
> basically was the nav lights and panel light circut from the standard
> van's wiring diagram.
> I'd recommended it to anyone who does not have a good back round in
> electronics.
> Also got to meet Mark and Angela Lanier from Fort Worth. They are
> currently working on wing construction.
>
> Fred Williams 40515
> Bottom wing skins riveted
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel grease fitting |
You will find that you will need grease at the nose wheel.
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On Mar 5, 2007, at 2:49 PM, Niko wrote:
> There is a grease fitting on the nosewheel but no mention of
> applying grease in the manual. It doesn't appear to me that grease
> at this location would do much good. Are builders putting grease
> at this location?
>
> Thanks
> Niko
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| Subject: | Infinity leather |
Where did you see this Niko? I haven't seen anything like that...
cj
#40410
fuse
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Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:47 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Infinity leather
I am wondering if Infinity is selling the sticks with a leather option
or if this something the builders a putting on.
Niko
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| Subject: | What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? |
Jay,
I'd either negotiate a better price or pass on it. You can get a NEW
engine from Mattituck (and I suspect others) for only $2K more and it
will have a new engine warranty, etc.
Since this engine has been sitting since 1979 it should at least be gone
over to determine if the internals are Ok. Another RV-10 builder had
his engine gone through by the local engine shop, didn't need any parts
(except gaskets, rings, etc), and the cost was about $2000. That
expense alone gets you to the price of new even if no parts are needed
which is doubtful. I would think that as a minimum the fuel system
would need to have seals replaced.
Bob
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Brinkmeyer
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: RV10-List: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5?
<jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
Hey All,
I'm looking for a sanity check on price/features for a "reman" zero time
IO540 D4A5. It's a never used engine (vintage 1979).
Includes:
Fuel injection, magnetos, plugs, harness, starter
6 mo warranty
8.5-1 compression ratio
Full test cell (fuel flow and oil pressure checkes) and dyno balance
All AD's complied with (crank AD not relevant as the crank is older than
thoses affected)
$36.5K (is this a fair price)
Is there anything else I should ask the vendor about?
Thanks,
Jay
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| Subject: | Flowscan in tunnel-pirep |
I have noticed a fuel flow fluctuation when leaning above 5000 feet. When using
only the aircraft engine driven fuel pump the flow fluctates between 14.2 and
16 gph.I suspect boiling fuel and or cavitation in the tunnel mounted flowscan.Egts
remain fairly steady.This is at 70 percent power and 1350 on the hottest
egt.The fuel injection is airflow performance.I intend to relocate the flowscan
to the engine between the controller and the spyder.My tunnel is well insullated
and has blast air to keep cool.Has anybody else had similar problems?Great
flying bird I hate to take it down for maintanance but I would hate to have
the engine stop.
728DD 117 hours
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim@MyRV10.com
Sent: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 11:06 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Chelton ADAHRS and Chelton WAAS Beta 3 GPS info is out
Just saw this posted on another board. Looks like there's
now a bunch more info out about both the origins of the
previously named "pinpoint" AHRS, plus, we can see perhaps
why Chelton is reluctant to "help" people by sending them
a FreeFlight GPS that isn't capable of Beta 3 WAAS approaches
anyway.
It's great to see that they've officially put their name
on it. Does wonders to improve it's validity given the previous
secrecy as to the origins. Looks like nobody has to worry
about support going away for it.
http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/CFSPR_ADAHRS.htm
http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/CFSPR_GPS.htm
http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/PDFs/CFS_ADAHRS.pdf
http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/PDFs/CFS_GPS_Receiver.pdf
-- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? |
Jay,=0A=0AStrickly speaking, you realize that only the Lycoming facto
ry can "reman" an engine to "zero time" right?- If anyone else other than
the factory does it then it is simply an overhaul.-- If this is just a
n overhaul, then an-additional $3,500 could get you a brand new "clone."
=0A=0AWhen was it "reman'd?"- If more than 12 years ago then it is
effectively "run out" even though it is "never used."- Additional informa
tion is required to fully answer your question.=0A=0AWilliam=0Ahtt
p://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ =0A=0A---------------------------------------
y All,=0A=0AI'm looking for a sanity check on price/features for a "r
eman" zero time IO540 D4A5. It's a never used engine (vintage 1979).=0A
=0AIncludes:=0AFuel injection, magnetos, plugs, harness, starter
=0A6 mo warranty=0A8.5-1 compression ratio=0AFull test cell (fuel flo
w and oil pressure checkes) and dyno balance=0AAll AD's complied with (c
rank AD not relevant as the crank is older than thoses affected)=0A
=0A$36.5K (is this a fair price)=0A=0AIs there anything else I should
ask the vendor about?=0A=0AThanks,=0AJay=0A=0ANever Miss an
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity leather |
Chris, I have seen two or three people mention it before although I can't
remember who, however, its also mentioned in Jesse's web site www.saintavia
tion.com in the pricing section.=0A=0ANiko=0A40188=0A=0A=0A----- Original M
essage ----=0AFrom: Chris Johnston <CJohnston@popsound.com>=0ATo: rv10-list
@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, March 5, 2007 3:15:13 PM=0ASubject: RE: RV10
-List: Infinity leather=0A=0A=0AWhere did you see this Niko? I haven=92t s
een anything like that=85=0A =0Acj=0A#40410=0Afuse=0Awww.perfectlygoodairpl
ane.net=0Ado not archive=0A =0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-rv1
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Subject: RV10-List: Infinity leather=0A =0AI am wondering if Infinity is se
lling the sticks with a leather option or if this something the builders a
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| Subject: | Infinity leather |
I have not seen leather on the grips. I don't think infinity offers
anything but the black plastic. The leather I was referring to was covering
the stick from the bottom of the grip to the hole through the panel below.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Niko
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:47 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Infinity leather
I am wondering if Infinity is selling the sticks with a leather option or if
this something the builders a putting on.
Niko
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One more question for the day.=0A=0AThis one is in reference to the overhea
d liner and what to do at the seam where two sections mate and where the l
iner ends like the door posts. Is some type of binder being used here? I
am going to use the fiberglass around the perimeter, however, I am wonderin
g about all the other places where the liner ends.=0A=0AThanks=0ANiko=0A401
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity leather |
Okay, now I understand. It would be nice to have the grip wrapped with le
ather. but I suspect it would be a bit challenging.=0A=0ANiko=0A40188=0A=0A
=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com
>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, March 5, 2007 3:43:03 PM=0A
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Infinity leather=0A=0A=0AI have not seen leather on
the grips. I don=92t think infinity offers anything but the black plastic
. The leather I was referring to was covering the stick from the bottom of
the grip to the hole through the panel below.=0A =0ADo not archive.=0A =0A
Jesse Saint=0ASaint Aviation, Inc.=0Ajesse@saintaviation.com=0Awww.saintavi
ation.com=0ACell: 352-427-0285=0AFax: 815-377-3694=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-r
v10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Niko=0ASent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:47 PM=0ATo: Matronics
=0ASubject: RV10-List: Infinity leather=0A =0AI am wondering if Infinity is
selling the sticks with a leather option or if this something the builders
a putting on.=0A =0ANiko=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronic
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| Subject: | Infinity leather |
It would be quite difficult to do this. It would almost have to be sewn to
the mold and then glued. It would be super-sweet, but it would be a ton of
work. Also, I don't know how well it would hold up. Even in cars these
days with leather seats, the steering wheel is usually some special material
that holds up better to continual rubbing (I think - which can be
dangerous).
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Niko
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Infinity leather
Okay, now I understand. It would be nice to have the grip wrapped with
leather. but I suspect it would be a bit challenging.
Niko
40188
----- Original Message ----
From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2007 3:43:03 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Infinity leather
I have not seen leather on the grips. I don't think infinity offers
anything but the black plastic. The leather I was referring to was covering
the stick from the bottom of the grip to the hole through the panel below.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com <http://www.saintaviation.com/>
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
_____
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Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:47 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Infinity leather
I am wondering if Infinity is selling the sticks with a leather option or if
this something the builders a putting on.
Niko
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It depends on what material you are using. If it is a cloth, then folding
it over on itself and sewing it, then gluing it down works pretty well, or
making the pieces separately and then sewing them together, or sewing one to
itself and gluing it over the other one works well. That is what we do with
the leather.
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Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Niko
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 3:51 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Overhead Liner
One more question for the day.
This one is in reference to the overhead liner and what to do at the seam
where two sections mate and where the liner ends like the door posts. Is
some type of binder being used here? I am going to use the fiberglass
around the perimeter, however, I am wondering about all the other places
where the liner ends.
Thanks
Niko
40188
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel flow gauge based on fuel injector spider pressure |
0-10 PSI
If you want the back pressure curve, you can email me at airflow2@bellsouth.net.
Don
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98926#98926
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Sport air workshops |
I'm taking it in April. Thanks for the Pirep!
Jeff
Wings
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 9:20 AM
Subject: RV10-List: EAA Sport air workshops
> <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>
> Here's a plug for the EAA sportair workshops. I attended the one on
> electrical systems and Avionics in Dallas this weekend. It was taught by
> Dick Koehler. Very worthwhile for a newbie like me. The course went over
> the design and theory of the electrical systems for our aircraft. We
> wired up an intercom harness and a small panel wiring exercise which
> basically was the nav lights and panel light circut from the standard
> van's wiring diagram.
> I'd recommended it to anyone who does not have a good back round in
> electronics.
> Also got to meet Mark and Angela Lanier from Fort Worth. They are
> currently working on wing construction.
>
> Fred Williams 40515
> Bottom wing skins riveted
>
>
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| Subject: | What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? |
Only Lycoming can produce a "remanufactured" Lycoming engine. If this is other
than a genuine Lycoming zero time reman then, at that price, run. A way to know
is the engine log will have no entries and the front inside page will be a sticker
signed by Lycoming with 0.0 for engine total time. Also, a Lycoming reman
will have the suffix "R" on the serial number.
Good Luck,
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
bill@wtdaviationtechnology.com
"Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> wrote:
Jay,
I'd either negotiate a better price or pass on it. You can get a NEW
engine from Mattituck (and I suspect others) for only $2K more and it
will have a new engine warranty, etc.
Since this engine has been sitting since 1979 it should at least be gone
over to determine if the internals are Ok. Another RV-10 builder had
his engine gone through by the local engine shop, didn't need any parts
(except gaskets, rings, etc), and the cost was about $2000. That
expense alone gets you to the price of new even if no parts are needed
which is doubtful. I would think that as a minimum the fuel system
would need to have seals replaced.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay
Brinkmeyer
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: RV10-List: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5?
Hey All,
I'm looking for a sanity check on price/features for a "reman" zero time
IO540 D4A5. It's a never used engine (vintage 1979).
Includes:
Fuel injection, magnetos, plugs, harness, starter
6 mo warranty
8.5-1 compression ratio
Full test cell (fuel flow and oil pressure checkes) and dyno balance
All AD's complied with (crank AD not relevant as the crank is older than
thoses affected)
$36.5K (is this a fair price)
Is there anything else I should ask the vendor about?
Thanks,
Jay
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| Subject: | Re: Flowscan in tunnel-pirep |
In a message dated 3/5/2007 2:18:51 PM Central Standard Time,
pilotdds@aol.com writes:
I have noticed a fuel flow fluctuation when leaning above 5000 feet. When
using only the aircraft engine driven fuel pump the flow fluctates between 14.2
and 16 gph.I suspect boiling fuel and or cavitation in the tunnel mounted
flowscan.Egts remain fairly steady.This is at 70 percent power and 1350 on the
hottest egt.The fuel injection is airflow performance.I intend to relocate the
flowscan to the engine between the controller and the spyder.My tunnel is well
insullated and has blast air to keep cool.Has anybody else had similar
problems?Great flying bird I hate to take it down for maintanance but I would hate
to
have the engine stop.
728DD 117 hours
For what it's worth, my fuel flows have all been steady at all altitudes thus
far. I have not done anything to cool my tunnel other than eliminate one of
the heater muffs and install a valve to control ram air into the one remaining
heater muff.
Grumpy
40404 and 50 hours.
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| Subject: | Re: Flowscan in tunnel-pirep |
I've seen, on a hot summer day and a hot 2nd takeoff, a drop in
fuel pressure while climbing....when you're at high fuel flows
and high angle of attack (lots of heat), but nothing like you're
describing when leaning above 5000'...only in full-power climb
hot mode. On not steaming hot days, it's just the usual 28-29gph
flow rate with plenty of pressure and when you start leaning it
out it's always got great pressure. You could be correct
that it's a heat or cavitation issue of some sort, but I don't
think the default location for the fuel flow sensor has any real
problems with it. That's not to discourage you from trying
something new...but I just don't think it's been a common
problem that's been identified.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
pilotdds@aol.com wrote:
> I have noticed a fuel flow fluctuation when leaning above 5000 feet.
> When using only the aircraft engine driven fuel pump the flow fluctates
> between 14.2 and 16 gph.I suspect boiling fuel and or cavitation in the
> tunnel mounted flowscan.Egts remain fairly steady.This is at 70 percent
> power and 1350 on the hottest egt.The fuel injection is airflow
> performance.I intend to relocate the flowscan to the engine between the
> controller and the spyder.My tunnel is well insullated and has blast air
> to keep cool.Has anybody else had similar problems?Great flying bird I
> hate to take it down for maintanance but I would hate to have the engine
> stop.
> 728DD 117 hours
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim@MyRV10.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 11:06 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Chelton ADAHRS and Chelton WAAS Beta 3 GPS info is out
>
> <javascript:parent.ComposeTo("Tim%40MyRV10.com", "");>>
>
> Just saw this posted on another board. Looks like there's
> now a bunch more info out about both the origins of the
> previously named "pinpoint" AHRS, plus, we can see perhaps
> why Chelton is reluctant to "help" people by sending them
> a FreeFlight GPS that isn't capable of Beta 3 WAAS approaches
> anyway.
>
> It's great to see that they've officially put their name
> on it. Does wonders to improve it's validity given the previous
> secrecy as to the origins. Looks like nobody has to worry
> about support going away for it.
>
> http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/CFSPR_ADAHRS.htm
> http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/CFSPR_GPS.htm
> http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/PDFs/CFS_ADAHRS.pdf
> http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/PDFs/CFS_GPS_Receiver.pdf
>
> -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
>
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>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? |
Hi Bill,
That may be true today, but it wasn't always true. In 1971 a factory
reman was installed in my plane. I still have that logbook, with same
serial number 3 overhauls later. The only letters in the serial number
are L at the front and A at the rear. The factory signature looks like
Jim Heim, Mar 19, 1971. Hmm, better get a birthday gift for my engine,
for its 36th.
On 3/5/07, Bill DeRouchey <billderou@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Only Lycoming can produce a "remanufactured" Lycoming engine. If this is
> other than a genuine Lycoming zero time reman then, at that price, run. A
> way to know is the engine log will have no entries and the front inside page
> will be a sticker signed by Lycoming with 0.0 for engine total time. Also, a
> Lycoming reman will have the suffix "R" on the serial number.
>
> Good Luck,
> Bill DeRouchey
> N939SB, flying
> bill@wtdaviationtechnology.com
>
>
> "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> wrote:
>
> Jay,
>
> I'd either negotiate a better price or pass on it. You can get a NEW
> engine from Mattituck (and I suspect others) for only $2K more and it
> will have a new engine warranty, etc.
>
> Since this engine has been sitting since 1979 it should at least be gone
> over to determine if the internals are Ok. Another RV-10 builder had
> his engine gone through by the local engine shop, didn't need any parts
> (except gaskets, rings, etc), and the cost was about $2000. That
> expense alone gets you to the price of new even if no parts are needed
> which is doubtful. I would think that as a minimum the fuel system
> would need to have seals replaced.
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Jay
> Brinkmeyer
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:16 AM
> To: RV10
> Subject: RV10-List: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5?
>
>
>
> Hey All,
>
> I'm looking for a sanity check
>
>
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| Subject: | Waterjet Cutting |
I am getting a job cut by the local waterjet shop and they have a minimum
machine run time, which I will be a little under. If anybody has a panel
they want cut out of 6061 T6 (I think) .063, I can get that done with my job
probably as cheaply as it can be done, plus any shipping. It would have to
be a cut-ready CAD file, or I could help design it for a small fee. Let me
know offline if anybody is interested.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | OT: So let's just sue everbody |
Just saw this in today's AvWeb:
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The families of former New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle and his
flight instructor Tyler Stanger claim the crash of their Cirrus SR20
into a Manhattan apartment building was caused by a catastrophic
failure of the flight control system. A statement released by Todd
Macaluso, the lawyer representing the families of Lidle and Stanger,
claims that FAA and NTSB data show that Cirrus aircraft have a history
of aileron failures and there have been other accidents involving
flight control failures, several of which resulted in deaths. The suit
also names Teledyne, Hartzel Propeller, S-Tec, Honeywell and Justice
Aviation. The NTSB has not yet determined a cause for the Oct. 11 crash,
but an update to its preliminary report released in early November
focuses on the role of a 13-knot crosswind in the accident and makes no
mention of control anomalies. Cirrus has declined comment on details of
the crash investigation. New York television station NY1 says the cause
of the crash will determine whether Lidles family gets a $1 million
insurance payout from Major League Baseball. Meanwhile, the owner of an
apartment 13 floors above the impact point is suing Lidles family for
$7 million, claiming the crash ruined his home. Dr. Lawrence Rosenthal
claims the crash loosened bricks, broke windows and caused extensive
smoke damage to his apartment, which is actually three suites joined
together to form a single residence. Rosenthals lawyer, David
Jaroslawicz, told reporters last week that everything was destroyed in
his clients apartment and he and his family had to move out. Lidles
plane hit the 30th floor of the apartment building on Manhattans Upper
East Side. The engine was ejected into an apartment, but most of the
plane bounced off the building and fell to the street. Lidle and Stanger
were sightseeing in a strip of VFR airspace called the East River
Exclusion Area when the pilot (it hasnt been determined who was flying)
tried to make a U-turn at the northern boundary of the area.
-------------------
OK, you know, this is what really ticks me off about idiots who sue
everyone when they screw up. First, they sue Cirrus because they
have "a history of aileron failures". But then they go on to sue
Teledyne, Hartzel Prop, S-Tec, Honeywell, and Justice Aviation.
Now tell me, what friggin' part of the aileron system does the
Hartzel Prop cause to fail? And what about Teledyne? And if the
aileron fails, is that S-Tec's fault? Or what about Honeywell....
they HAD to have something to do with it, right??? They're WAY
big in the aileron business. I don't know if I'd even believe
the original statement that the aileron failed causing the crash,
but to go and sue everyone involved in producing the plane just shows
you're an incredibly stupid, money grubbing, idiotic dumb schmuck.
Too bad the penalty for losing a frivolous lawsuit isn't death by
hanging....then maybe people would actually think about and focus
on what really may have been the real problem before they just
go looking for some quick cash.
Sorry for the rant, but I just hope to heck we never see anything
this idiotic come from this group. I highly doubt it, but perhaps
it's worth having a good talk with your families about what you would
like to have them pursue in the event of your death. It would be nice
to know that they'll approach things a little rationally and not try
to drive more nails in the coffin of the activity which we all enjoy
so much.
Tim
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I'm right with you on this Tim. A friend sent me this article earlier
today. I think they should sue the company who built the building because
it was in the flight path of the airplane. And why doesn't the guy who had
his apartment wrecked just make a claim to his home owners insurance?
The hanging penalty you speak of is "Loser pays all fees and costs." If the
family or attorney thought they may have to pay all the costs for both sides
if they lost the suit, they may not bring it at all. I don't think we will
ever see this for obvious reasons.
I have several pretty good life insurance policies. If I go west in a plane
crash or any other manner, my family will be just fine, financially.
Dave Leikam
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:08 PM
Subject: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody
>
> Just saw this in today's AvWeb:
>
> -------------------
> The families of former New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle and his flight
> instructor Tyler Stanger claim the crash of their Cirrus SR20 into a
> Manhattan apartment building was caused by a catastrophic failure of the
> flight control system. A statement released by Todd Macaluso, the lawyer
> representing the families of Lidle and Stanger, claims that FAA and NTSB
> data show that Cirrus aircraft have a history of aileron failures and
> there have been other accidents involving flight control failures,
> several of which resulted in deaths. The suit also names Teledyne,
> Hartzel Propeller, S-Tec, Honeywell and Justice Aviation. The NTSB has not
> yet determined a cause for the Oct. 11 crash, but an update to its
> preliminary report released in early November focuses on the role of a
> 13-knot crosswind in the accident and makes no mention of control
> anomalies. Cirrus has declined comment on details of the crash
> investigation. New York television station NY1 says the cause of the crash
> will determine whether Lidles family gets a $1 million insurance payout
> from Major League Baseball. Meanwhile, the owner of an apartment 13 floors
> above the impact point is suing Lidles family for $7 million, claiming
> the crash ruined his home. Dr. Lawrence Rosenthal claims the crash
> loosened bricks, broke windows and caused extensive smoke damage to his
> apartment, which is actually three suites joined together to form a single
> residence. Rosenthals lawyer, David Jaroslawicz, told reporters last week
> that everything was destroyed in his clients apartment and he and his
> family had to move out. Lidles plane hit the 30th floor of the apartment
> building on Manhattans Upper East Side. The engine was ejected into an
> apartment, but most of the plane bounced off the building and fell to the
> street. Lidle and Stanger were sightseeing in a strip of VFR airspace
> called the East River Exclusion Area when the pilot (it hasnt been
> determined who was flying) tried to make a U-turn at the northern boundary
> of the area.
> -------------------
>
> OK, you know, this is what really ticks me off about idiots who sue
> everyone when they screw up. First, they sue Cirrus because they
> have "a history of aileron failures". But then they go on to sue
> Teledyne, Hartzel Prop, S-Tec, Honeywell, and Justice Aviation.
> Now tell me, what friggin' part of the aileron system does the
> Hartzel Prop cause to fail? And what about Teledyne? And if the
> aileron fails, is that S-Tec's fault? Or what about Honeywell....
> they HAD to have something to do with it, right??? They're WAY
> big in the aileron business. I don't know if I'd even believe
> the original statement that the aileron failed causing the crash,
> but to go and sue everyone involved in producing the plane just shows
> you're an incredibly stupid, money grubbing, idiotic dumb schmuck.
> Too bad the penalty for losing a frivolous lawsuit isn't death by
> hanging....then maybe people would actually think about and focus
> on what really may have been the real problem before they just
> go looking for some quick cash.
>
> Sorry for the rant, but I just hope to heck we never see anything
> this idiotic come from this group. I highly doubt it, but perhaps
> it's worth having a good talk with your families about what you would
> like to have them pursue in the event of your death. It would be nice
> to know that they'll approach things a little rationally and not try
> to drive more nails in the coffin of the activity which we all enjoy
> so much.
>
> Tim
>
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
>
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Tim, You know what will really burn your tail is that they will get a
jury of the dumbest people they can find (Leno Jaywalkers) and they will
win every suit. Even if it makes no sense. The FBO that I worked for
years ago rented a C-150 Aerobat to a couple of guys who decided to
practice spins under a 1500' overcast. They video taped the whole event
from the cockpit. The FBO and Cessna were responsible because the C-150
would not recover from a spin in the available space. There are so many
like that out there it's incredible. You or I will never end up on one
of those juries.
Rob Hunter
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody
Just saw this in today's AvWeb:
-------------------
The families of former New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle and his
flight instructor Tyler Stanger claim the crash of their Cirrus SR20
into a Manhattan apartment building was caused by a "catastrophic
failure of the flight control system." A statement released by Todd
Macaluso, the lawyer representing the families of Lidle and Stanger,
claims that FAA and NTSB data show that Cirrus aircraft have "a history
of aileron failures" and "there have been other accidents involving
flight control failures, several of which resulted in deaths." The suit
also names Teledyne, Hartzel Propeller, S-Tec, Honeywell and Justice
Aviation. The NTSB has not yet determined a cause for the Oct. 11 crash,
but an update to its preliminary report released in early November
focuses on the role of a 13-knot crosswind in the accident and makes no
mention of control anomalies. Cirrus has declined comment on details of
the crash investigation. New York television station NY1 says the cause
of the crash will determine whether Lidle's family gets a $1 million
insurance payout from Major League Baseball. Meanwhile, the owner of an
apartment 13 floors above the impact point is suing Lidle's family for
$7 million, claiming the crash ruined his home. Dr. Lawrence Rosenthal
claims the crash loosened bricks, broke windows and caused extensive
smoke damage to his apartment, which is actually three suites joined
together to form a single residence. Rosenthal's lawyer, David
Jaroslawicz, told reporters last week that "everything was destroyed" in
his client's apartment and he and his family had to move out. Lidle's
plane hit the 30th floor of the apartment building on Manhattan's Upper
East Side. The engine was ejected into an apartment, but most of the
plane bounced off the building and fell to the street. Lidle and Stanger
were sightseeing in a strip of VFR airspace called the East River
Exclusion Area when the pilot (it hasn't been determined who was flying)
tried to make a U-turn at the northern boundary of the area.
-------------------
OK, you know, this is what really ticks me off about idiots who sue
everyone when they screw up. First, they sue Cirrus because they have
"a history of aileron failures". But then they go on to sue Teledyne,
Hartzel Prop, S-Tec, Honeywell, and Justice Aviation. Now tell me, what
friggin' part of the aileron system does the Hartzel Prop cause to fail?
And what about Teledyne? And if the aileron fails, is that S-Tec's
fault? Or what about Honeywell.... they HAD to have something to do
with it, right??? They're WAY big in the aileron business. I don't
know if I'd even believe the original statement that the aileron failed
causing the crash, but to go and sue everyone involved in producing the
plane just shows you're an incredibly stupid, money grubbing, idiotic
dumb schmuck. Too bad the penalty for losing a frivolous lawsuit isn't
death by hanging....then maybe people would actually think about and
focus on what really may have been the real problem before they just go
looking for some quick cash.
Sorry for the rant, but I just hope to heck we never see anything this
idiotic come from this group. I highly doubt it, but perhaps it's worth
having a good talk with your families about what you would like to have
them pursue in the event of your death. It would be nice to know that
they'll approach things a little rationally and not try to drive more
nails in the coffin of the activity which we all enjoy so much.
Tim
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do not archive
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And lets not mention movie stars as politicians.....oh dear you have to
laugh....not! Who voted them in?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Hunter" <rwhunter@integra.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 6:16 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody
>
> Tim, You know what will really burn your tail is that they will get a
> jury of the dumbest people they can find (Leno Jaywalkers) and they will
> win every suit. Even if it makes no sense. The FBO that I worked for
> years ago rented a C-150 Aerobat to a couple of guys who decided to
> practice spins under a 1500' overcast. They video taped the whole event
> from the cockpit. The FBO and Cessna were responsible because the C-150
> would not recover from a spin in the available space. There are so many
> like that out there it's incredible. You or I will never end up on one
> of those juries.
>
> Rob Hunter
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:09 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody
>
>
>
> Just saw this in today's AvWeb:
>
> -------------------
> The families of former New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle and his
> flight instructor Tyler Stanger claim the crash of their Cirrus SR20
> into a Manhattan apartment building was caused by a "catastrophic
> failure of the flight control system." A statement released by Todd
> Macaluso, the lawyer representing the families of Lidle and Stanger,
> claims that FAA and NTSB data show that Cirrus aircraft have "a history
> of aileron failures" and "there have been other accidents involving
> flight control failures, several of which resulted in deaths." The suit
> also names Teledyne, Hartzel Propeller, S-Tec, Honeywell and Justice
> Aviation. The NTSB has not yet determined a cause for the Oct. 11 crash,
>
> but an update to its preliminary report released in early November
> focuses on the role of a 13-knot crosswind in the accident and makes no
> mention of control anomalies. Cirrus has declined comment on details of
> the crash investigation. New York television station NY1 says the cause
> of the crash will determine whether Lidle's family gets a $1 million
> insurance payout from Major League Baseball. Meanwhile, the owner of an
> apartment 13 floors above the impact point is suing Lidle's family for
> $7 million, claiming the crash ruined his home. Dr. Lawrence Rosenthal
> claims the crash loosened bricks, broke windows and caused extensive
> smoke damage to his apartment, which is actually three suites joined
> together to form a single residence. Rosenthal's lawyer, David
> Jaroslawicz, told reporters last week that "everything was destroyed" in
>
> his client's apartment and he and his family had to move out. Lidle's
> plane hit the 30th floor of the apartment building on Manhattan's Upper
> East Side. The engine was ejected into an apartment, but most of the
> plane bounced off the building and fell to the street. Lidle and Stanger
>
> were sightseeing in a strip of VFR airspace called the East River
> Exclusion Area when the pilot (it hasn't been determined who was flying)
>
> tried to make a U-turn at the northern boundary of the area.
> -------------------
>
> OK, you know, this is what really ticks me off about idiots who sue
> everyone when they screw up. First, they sue Cirrus because they have
> "a history of aileron failures". But then they go on to sue Teledyne,
> Hartzel Prop, S-Tec, Honeywell, and Justice Aviation. Now tell me, what
> friggin' part of the aileron system does the Hartzel Prop cause to fail?
> And what about Teledyne? And if the aileron fails, is that S-Tec's
> fault? Or what about Honeywell.... they HAD to have something to do
> with it, right??? They're WAY big in the aileron business. I don't
> know if I'd even believe the original statement that the aileron failed
> causing the crash, but to go and sue everyone involved in producing the
> plane just shows you're an incredibly stupid, money grubbing, idiotic
> dumb schmuck. Too bad the penalty for losing a frivolous lawsuit isn't
> death by hanging....then maybe people would actually think about and
> focus on what really may have been the real problem before they just go
> looking for some quick cash.
>
> Sorry for the rant, but I just hope to heck we never see anything this
> idiotic come from this group. I highly doubt it, but perhaps it's worth
> having a good talk with your families about what you would like to have
> them pursue in the event of your death. It would be nice to know that
> they'll approach things a little rationally and not try to drive more
> nails in the coffin of the activity which we all enjoy so much.
>
> Tim
>
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
>
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