---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/05/07: 41 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:45 AM - Re: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight (Tim Olson) 2. 04:30 AM - Tail cone F-1032 (Michael D Chase) 3. 05:35 AM - Re: Aileron Control Stick Travel (zackrv8) 4. 06:20 AM - Re: Empty weight.. (PILOTDDS@aol.com) 5. 06:22 AM - Re: Tail cone F-1032 (Eric_Kallio) 6. 06:27 AM - EAA Sport air workshops (Fred Williams, M.D.) 7. 06:42 AM - Re: Empty weight.. (Sean Stephens) 8. 06:45 AM - Re: Re: Tail cone F-1032 (John Jessen) 9. 06:51 AM - Re: Tail cone F-1032 (Rick) 10. 07:35 AM - Re: EAA Sport air workshops (Shawn Moon) 11. 09:17 AM - What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? (Jay Brinkmeyer) 12. 09:52 AM - Re: Tail cone F-1032 (egohr1) 13. 09:59 AM - Re: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? (Kelly McMullen) 14. 10:02 AM - Re: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? (Rob Kermanj) 15. 10:21 AM - Re: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? (Jesse Saint) 16. 11:07 AM - Chelton ADAHRS and Chelton WAAS Beta 3 GPS info is out (Tim Olson) 17. 11:48 AM - Infinity leather (Niko) 18. 11:49 AM - Nosewheel grease fitting (Niko) 19. 11:51 AM - Re: EAA Sport air workshops (jdalton77) 20. 12:13 PM - Re: Nosewheel grease fitting (Rob Kermanj) 21. 12:15 PM - Re: Infinity leather (Chris Johnston) 22. 12:16 PM - Re: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 23. 12:16 PM - Flowscan in tunnel-pirep (pilotdds@aol.com) 24. 12:17 PM - Re: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? (William Curtis) 25. 12:43 PM - Re: Infinity leather (Niko) 26. 12:43 PM - Re: Infinity leather (Jesse Saint) 27. 12:51 PM - Overhead Liner (Niko) 28. 01:31 PM - Re: Infinity leather (Niko) 29. 02:09 PM - Re: Infinity leather (Jesse Saint) 30. 02:10 PM - Re: Overhead Liner (Jesse Saint) 31. 02:27 PM - Re: Fuel flow gauge based on fuel injector spider pressure (Don) 32. 03:15 PM - Re: EAA Sport air workshops (jdalton77) 33. 05:08 PM - Re: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? (Bill DeRouchey) 34. 05:57 PM - Re: Flowscan in tunnel-pirep (GenGrumpy@aol.com) 35. 06:58 PM - Re: Flowscan in tunnel-pirep (Tim Olson) 36. 07:06 PM - Re: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? (Kelly McMullen) 37. 07:17 PM - Waterjet Cutting (Jesse Saint) 38. 09:10 PM - OT: So let's just sue everbody (Tim Olson) 39. 09:59 PM - Re: OT: So let's just sue everbody (Dave Leikam) 40. 11:18 PM - Re: OT: So let's just sue everbody (Rob Hunter) 41. 11:53 PM - Re: OT: So let's just sue everbody (The McGough Family) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:01 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: IFR RV-10 / Bahamas Flight Very true Rick, that was the significant part of his post, to be sure. I can only imagine how tough those circumstances for the return trip were, and how ReNae must have felt. The obit made him sounds like an awesome guy to have in the family if you're building an airplane. It does sound like it wasn't a totally unexpected event, and Scott's great trip write up left me with a positive and not a negative feeling, as it's apparent that he's got a positive outlook on life. The RV-10 is a great traveling tool. I myself expect that it's going to take us across the country for a few of the more downer situations, since we've got lots of older family members in Florida. It's great that he was able to have such good ride home. Thinking back to last week's weather, and the week before that, it was amazing that he was able to make the trip in the first place. My sympathies too, are for Scott and especially his wife and her direct family. I was glad to hear that Scott made it back in time. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Rick wrote: > > Maybe I missed something but, > > As I read down Scott's post, I recall him mention that Randy, his > Father-in-Law had passed away which led to his hurried return trip, > ALONE. FWIW, my sympathies to Scott's wife and their family for their > loss, NOW let's chat about the auto pilot. Jeeez guys!! > > (unless my screwy HTML email made me miss the appropriate responses, > then my bad) > > Rick S. 40185 > > do not archive > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:30:41 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Tail cone F-1032 From: Michael D Chase Question to the group did anyone else have an issue with their Longerion breaking during the bending operation or did I get a bad piece of extruded AL? I was attempting to put a ~2 degree bend in my F1032R Longerion, had it in the vice supported at the 20" mark, my 8 year old daughter was preloading and when I struck it about the 5th time "firmly" right next to the vice with a rubber mallet it broke where 8 -12 inches further down the "being bent" end where I had drilled the hole. I can't figure this out, why would it break in this location? It wasn't hitting anything and from the attached photo you can see I as striking 8-12 inches up stream of the break. My concern is I may have gotten a piece of AL with a fault, cold shock or something? I don't know that much about civilian Aerospace requirements but would think there must be some test requirements for extruded material; X-ray, penetrant or MPI. It seems that some if not most of the Al angle in this kit is structural has anyone else had similar issues with this piece or any others? By the way I am now afraid to bend the other side any suggestions from the group on a good way to bend this piece. Michael Chase General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products 802-657-6029 Office 802-922-5930 Cell mchase@gdatp.com This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is private, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. Any unauthorized review, use, copying, printing, disclosure, retention, or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply to this e-mail, and delete all copies without disclosing this message to others. Thank you. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:30 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aileron Control Stick Travel From: "zackrv8" Thanks Jesse! jesse(at)saintaviation.co wrote: > We put the infinity grips on the sticks so they just about touch the curved > section of the stick. The stick has to be trimmed a fair bit to allow for > this. This also makes a good height for resting your hand on your lap when > flying, which varies some based on the "thickness" of the driver. > > Do not archive > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation, Inc. > jesse@saintaviation.com > www.saintaviation.com > Cell: 352-427-0285 > Fax: 815-377-3694 > > -- -------- RV8 #80125 RV10 # 40512 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98810#98810 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:20 AM PST US From: PILOTDDS@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Empty weight.. 728dd came in at 1613 with paint and 3 screen grt .Also garmin 430 sl30 and tx.That includes paint but no fairings.I used the hartzell. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:19 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Tail cone F-1032 From: "Eric_Kallio" Michael, I also "firmly" bent mine in the same manner as you and didn't have this problem. I would suggest that you call Vans and send them the pictures. It does look like there could have been weak point in the metal with teh fairly clean break, but Vans will be the ones to ulitmately determine this and send you a new piece. I would say go ahead with the other piece and start softer and build up to more firm strikes. If the second one bends properly you have at least validated your method prior to contacting Vans. Just my 2 cents as there are a thousand ways to skin a cat. Eric Kallio 40518 Fuse on order Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98828#98828 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:51 AM PST US From: "Fred Williams, M.D." Subject: RV10-List: EAA Sport air workshops Here's a plug for the EAA sportair workshops. I attended the one on electrical systems and Avionics in Dallas this weekend. It was taught by Dick Koehler. Very worthwhile for a newbie like me. The course went over the design and theory of the electrical systems for our aircraft. We wired up an intercom harness and a small panel wiring exercise which basically was the nav lights and panel light circut from the standard van's wiring diagram. I'd recommended it to anyone who does not have a good back round in electronics. Also got to meet Mark and Angela Lanier from Fort Worth. They are currently working on wing construction. Fred Williams 40515 Bottom wing skins riveted ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:09 AM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: Re: RV10-List: Empty weight.. Just a note on this topic... It would be helpful if the finished -10s entered their info on Dan's site. There's a form at the bottom of the page to get started. DO NOT ARCHIVE On Mar 5, 2007, at 8:18 AM, PILOTDDS@aol.com wrote: > 728dd came in at 1613 with paint and 3 screen grt .Also garmin 430 > sl30 and tx.That includes paint but no fairings.I used the hartzell. > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:00 AM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Tail cone F-1032 Yeah, I second that. They'd want to know this has happened, and I've never heard this happening before. You don't have to put that much pressure on the longeron, and I'm sure you didn't. I don't have my electronic plans with me, but you might think about the order of doing the drilling and cutting. Wonder if you might mark the location of the drill site first, bend, then drill. John Jessen (#328) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric_Kallio Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Tail cone F-1032 Michael, I also "firmly" bent mine in the same manner as you and didn't have this problem. I would suggest that you call Vans and send them the pictures. It does look like there could have been weak point in the metal with teh fairly clean break, but Vans will be the ones to ulitmately determine this and send you a new piece. I would say go ahead with the other piece and start softer and build up to more firm strikes. If the second one bends properly you have at least validated your method prior to contacting Vans. Just my 2 cents as there are a thousand ways to skin a cat. Eric Kallio 40518 Fuse on order Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98828#98828 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:39 AM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tail cone F-1032 Preloading the longeron should only be done with a 6 year old girl or 5 year old boy.... I would say you had a "minor" overload on the longeron that led to the failure. :) Actually is must have been a bad pice of metal...I smacked the crap out of mine and it barely bent let alone fracture. Rick S. 40185 do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:01 AM PST US From: Shawn Moon Subject: Re: RV10-List: EAA Sport air workshops Fred,=0A Wish I would have known that. I was there doing Composite Cons truction and it would have been good to meet you and the Laniers, especiall y since I am now in the Fort Worth area. As for the composite class, I wou ld recommend it....... but not necessarily for RV-10 builders. Unfortunate ly we did not spend much time on filling and finishing, which is what I thi nk 10 builders need more of. It was a very good class, though, for anybody who would like to try their hand at creating parts or have other projects that involve more "ground up" composite construction. It was a lot of fun with a lot of interaction and a knowledgeable instructor.=0A=0A--Shawn=0A40 366=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "Fred Williams, M.D." =0ATo: RV 10 =0ASent: Monday, M arch 5, 2007 8:20:39 AM=0ASubject: RV10-List: EAA Sport air workshops=0A kmail.com>=0A=0AHere's a plug for the EAA sportair workshops. I attended t he one on =0Aelectrical systems and Avionics in Dallas this weekend. It wa s taught =0Aby Dick Koehler. Very worthwhile for a newbie like me. The co urse went =0Aover the design and theory of the electrical systems for our a ircraft. =0AWe wired up an intercom harness and a small panel wiring exerc ise which =0Abasically was the nav lights and panel light circut from the s tandard =0Avan's wiring diagram. =0A=0AI'd recommended it to anyone who doe s not have a good back round in =0Aelectronics. =0A=0AAlso got to meet Mark and Angela Lanier from Fort Worth. They are =0Acurrently working on wing construction.=0A=0AFred Williams =0A40515=0ABottom wing skins riveted=0A=0A ========================0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A____________________________________________ ________________________________________=0AThe fish are biting. =0AGet more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.=0Ahttp://searchmarket ing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:33 AM PST US From: Jay Brinkmeyer Subject: RV10-List: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? Hey All, I'm looking for a sanity check on price/features for a "reman" zero time IO540 D4A5. It's a never used engine (vintage 1979). Includes: Fuel injection, magnetos, plugs, harness, starter 6 mo warranty 8.5-1 compression ratio Full test cell (fuel flow and oil pressure checkes) and dyno balance All AD's complied with (crank AD not relevant as the crank is older than thoses affected) $36.5K (is this a fair price) Is there anything else I should ask the vendor about? Thanks, Jay Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:12 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Tail cone F-1032 From: "egohr1" I would send it to Vans. I just finished benting the Fuse longerons from the 3/4 x 3/4 x .125 angle, and this bent is gentle and easy compared with them. -------- eric gohr EGOHR86@alumni.carnegiemellon.edu Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98880#98880 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:39 AM PST US From: "Kelly McMullen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? #1 Question would be how it has been stored. Has it been torn down, inspected and resealed, or still in original 1979 assembly mode, in which case the seals are probably junk even if the engine was perfectly pickled. If it hasn't been open since 1979, as it sounds, I'd factor in the cost of a teardown, inspect and reseal, figuring any corroded or otherwise unairworthy part would be covered under said warranty. Otherwise, you face the fairly high risk of something failing, perhaps 7 months after you buy it and then you have to teardown and fix with no warranty. On 3/5/07, Jay Brinkmeyer wrote: > > Hey All, > > I'm looking for a sanity check on price/features for a "reman" zero time IO540 D4A5. It's a never used engine (vintage 1979). > > Includes: > Fuel injection, magnetos, plugs, harness, starter > 6 mo warranty > 8.5-1 compression ratio > Full test cell (fuel flow and oil pressure checkes) and dyno balance > All AD's complied with (crank AD not relevant as the crank is older than thoses affected) > > $36.5K (is this a fair price) > > Is there anything else I should ask the vendor about? > > Thanks, > Jay > > > Never Miss an Email > Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! > http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:54 AM PST US From: Rob Kermanj Subject: Re: RV10-List: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? Check with Americas Engines, www.overhaul.com. Much less for a newer engine with brand new ECI cylinders. Do not archive. On Mar 5, 2007, at 12:16 PM, Jay Brinkmeyer wrote: > > > Hey All, > > I'm looking for a sanity check on price/features for a "reman" zero > time IO540 D4A5. It's a never used engine (vintage 1979). > > Includes: > Fuel injection, magnetos, plugs, harness, starter > 6 mo warranty > 8.5-1 compression ratio > Full test cell (fuel flow and oil pressure checkes) and dyno balance > All AD's complied with (crank AD not relevant as the crank is older > than thoses affected) > > $36.5K (is this a fair price) > > Is there anything else I should ask the vendor about? > > Thanks, > Jay > > > Never Miss an Email > Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! > http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:59 AM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? Is it worth saving $1,700 to get this certified buy old engine over an experimental but new Mattituck engine, with the $1,000 discount if you pay quickly? I am thinking the value would stay with the plane better with the new one. At $31,500 that might be a deal. Do not archive. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Brinkmeyer Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:16 PM Subject: RV10-List: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? Hey All, I'm looking for a sanity check on price/features for a "reman" zero time IO540 D4A5. It's a never used engine (vintage 1979). Includes: Fuel injection, magnetos, plugs, harness, starter 6 mo warranty 8.5-1 compression ratio Full test cell (fuel flow and oil pressure checkes) and dyno balance All AD's complied with (crank AD not relevant as the crank is older than thoses affected) $36.5K (is this a fair price) Is there anything else I should ask the vendor about? Thanks, Jay Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail -- 9:41 AM ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:37 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: Chelton ADAHRS and Chelton WAAS Beta 3 GPS info is out Just saw this posted on another board. Looks like there's now a bunch more info out about both the origins of the previously named "pinpoint" AHRS, plus, we can see perhaps why Chelton is reluctant to "help" people by sending them a FreeFlight GPS that isn't capable of Beta 3 WAAS approaches anyway. It's great to see that they've officially put their name on it. Does wonders to improve it's validity given the previous secrecy as to the origins. Looks like nobody has to worry about support going away for it. http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/CFSPR_ADAHRS.htm http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/CFSPR_GPS.htm http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/PDFs/CFS_ADAHRS.pdf http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/PDFs/CFS_GPS_Receiver.pdf -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:10 AM PST US From: Niko Subject: RV10-List: Infinity leather I am wondering if Infinity is selling the sticks with a leather option or i f this something the builders a putting on.=0A=0ANiko ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:53 AM PST US From: Niko Subject: RV10-List: Nosewheel grease fitting There is a grease fitting on the nosewheel but no mention of applying greas e in the manual. It doesn't appear to me that grease at this location woul d do much good. Are builders putting grease at this location?=0A=0AThanks =0ANiko=0A40188 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:59 AM PST US From: "jdalton77" Subject: Re: RV10-List: EAA Sport air workshops I'm taking it in April. Thanks for the Pirep! Jeff Wings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Williams, M.D." Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 9:20 AM Subject: RV10-List: EAA Sport air workshops > > > Here's a plug for the EAA sportair workshops. I attended the one on > electrical systems and Avionics in Dallas this weekend. It was taught by > Dick Koehler. Very worthwhile for a newbie like me. The course went over > the design and theory of the electrical systems for our aircraft. We > wired up an intercom harness and a small panel wiring exercise which > basically was the nav lights and panel light circut from the standard > van's wiring diagram. > I'd recommended it to anyone who does not have a good back round in > electronics. > Also got to meet Mark and Angela Lanier from Fort Worth. They are > currently working on wing construction. > > Fred Williams 40515 > Bottom wing skins riveted > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:42 PM PST US From: Rob Kermanj Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nosewheel grease fitting You will find that you will need grease at the nose wheel. Do not archive. On Mar 5, 2007, at 2:49 PM, Niko wrote: > There is a grease fitting on the nosewheel but no mention of > applying grease in the manual. It doesn't appear to me that grease > at this location would do much good. Are builders putting grease > at this location? > > Thanks > Niko > 40188 > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > =========================================================== > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:47 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Infinity leather From: "Chris Johnston" Where did you see this Niko? I haven't seen anything like that... cj #40410 fuse www.perfectlygoodairplane.net do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Niko Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:47 AM Subject: RV10-List: Infinity leather I am wondering if Infinity is selling the sticks with a leather option or if this something the builders a putting on. Niko ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:00 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Jay, I'd either negotiate a better price or pass on it. You can get a NEW engine from Mattituck (and I suspect others) for only $2K more and it will have a new engine warranty, etc. Since this engine has been sitting since 1979 it should at least be gone over to determine if the internals are Ok. Another RV-10 builder had his engine gone through by the local engine shop, didn't need any parts (except gaskets, rings, etc), and the cost was about $2000. That expense alone gets you to the price of new even if no parts are needed which is doubtful. I would think that as a minimum the fuel system would need to have seals replaced. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Brinkmeyer Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:16 AM Subject: RV10-List: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? Hey All, I'm looking for a sanity check on price/features for a "reman" zero time IO540 D4A5. It's a never used engine (vintage 1979). Includes: Fuel injection, magnetos, plugs, harness, starter 6 mo warranty 8.5-1 compression ratio Full test cell (fuel flow and oil pressure checkes) and dyno balance All AD's complied with (crank AD not relevant as the crank is older than thoses affected) $36.5K (is this a fair price) Is there anything else I should ask the vendor about? Thanks, Jay Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:07 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Flowscan in tunnel-pirep From: pilotdds@aol.com I have noticed a fuel flow fluctuation when leaning above 5000 feet. When using only the aircraft engine driven fuel pump the flow fluctates between 14.2 and 16 gph.I suspect boiling fuel and or cavitation in the tunnel mounted flowscan.Egts remain fairly steady.This is at 70 percent power and 1350 on the hottest egt.The fuel injection is airflow performance.I intend to relocate the flowscan to the engine between the controller and the spyder.My tunnel is well insullated and has blast air to keep cool.Has anybody else had similar problems?Great flying bird I hate to take it down for maintanance but I would hate to have the engine stop. 728DD 117 hours -----Original Message----- From: Tim@MyRV10.com Sent: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 11:06 AM Subject: RV10-List: Chelton ADAHRS and Chelton WAAS Beta 3 GPS info is out Just saw this posted on another board. Looks like there's now a bunch more info out about both the origins of the previously named "pinpoint" AHRS, plus, we can see perhaps why Chelton is reluctant to "help" people by sending them a FreeFlight GPS that isn't capable of Beta 3 WAAS approaches anyway. It's great to see that they've officially put their name on it. Does wonders to improve it's validity given the previous secrecy as to the origins. Looks like nobody has to worry about support going away for it. http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/CFSPR_ADAHRS.htm http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/CFSPR_GPS.htm http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/PDFs/CFS_ADAHRS.pdf http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/PDFs/CFS_GPS_Receiver.pdf -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:35 PM PST US Subject: re: RV10-List: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? From: "William Curtis" Jay,=0A=0AStrickly speaking, you realize that only the Lycoming facto ry can "reman" an engine to "zero time" right?- If anyone else other than the factory does it then it is simply an overhaul.-- If this is just a n overhaul, then an-additional $3,500 could get you a brand new "clone." =0A=0AWhen was it "reman'd?"- If more than 12 years ago then it is effectively "run out" even though it is "never used."- Additional informa tion is required to fully answer your question.=0A=0AWilliam=0Ahtt p://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ =0A=0A--------------------------------------- y All,=0A=0AI'm looking for a sanity check on price/features for a "r eman" zero time IO540 D4A5. It's a never used engine (vintage 1979).=0A =0AIncludes:=0AFuel injection, magnetos, plugs, harness, starter =0A6 mo warranty=0A8.5-1 compression ratio=0AFull test cell (fuel flo w and oil pressure checkes) and dyno balance=0AAll AD's complied with (c rank AD not relevant as the crank is older than thoses affected)=0A =0A$36.5K (is this a fair price)=0A=0AIs there anything else I should ask the vendor about?=0A=0AThanks,=0AJay=0A=0ANever Miss an Email=0AStay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! =======================0A =0A ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:43:24 PM PST US From: Niko Subject: Re: RV10-List: Infinity leather Chris, I have seen two or three people mention it before although I can't remember who, however, its also mentioned in Jesse's web site www.saintavia tion.com in the pricing section.=0A=0ANiko=0A40188=0A=0A=0A----- Original M essage ----=0AFrom: Chris Johnston =0ATo: rv10-list @matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, March 5, 2007 3:15:13 PM=0ASubject: RE: RV10 -List: Infinity leather=0A=0A=0AWhere did you see this Niko? I haven=92t s een anything like that=85=0A =0Acj=0A#40410=0Afuse=0Awww.perfectlygoodairpl ane.net=0Ado not archive=0A =0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-rv1 0-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] O n Behalf Of Niko=0ASent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:47 AM=0ATo: Matronics=0A Subject: RV10-List: Infinity leather=0A =0AI am wondering if Infinity is se lling the sticks with a leather option or if this something the builders a putting on.=0A =0ANiko=0A =0A =0A=0A - The RV10-List Email Forum -=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List=0A=0A - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -=0A=0A --> http://forums.matroni ===== ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:43:33 PM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Infinity leather I have not seen leather on the grips. I don't think infinity offers anything but the black plastic. The leather I was referring to was covering the stick from the bottom of the grip to the hole through the panel below. Do not archive. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Niko Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: RV10-List: Infinity leather I am wondering if Infinity is selling the sticks with a leather option or if this something the builders a putting on. Niko ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:30 PM PST US From: Niko Subject: RV10-List: Overhead Liner One more question for the day.=0A=0AThis one is in reference to the overhea d liner and what to do at the seam where two sections mate and where the l iner ends like the door posts. Is some type of binder being used here? I am going to use the fiberglass around the perimeter, however, I am wonderin g about all the other places where the liner ends.=0A=0AThanks=0ANiko=0A401 88 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:37 PM PST US From: Niko Subject: Re: RV10-List: Infinity leather Okay, now I understand. It would be nice to have the grip wrapped with le ather. but I suspect it would be a bit challenging.=0A=0ANiko=0A40188=0A=0A =0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Jesse Saint =0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, March 5, 2007 3:43:03 PM=0A Subject: RE: RV10-List: Infinity leather=0A=0A=0AI have not seen leather on the grips. I don=92t think infinity offers anything but the black plastic . The leather I was referring to was covering the stick from the bottom of the grip to the hole through the panel below.=0A =0ADo not archive.=0A =0A Jesse Saint=0ASaint Aviation, Inc.=0Ajesse@saintaviation.com=0Awww.saintavi ation.com=0ACell: 352-427-0285=0AFax: 815-377-3694=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-r v10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Niko=0ASent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:47 PM=0ATo: Matronics =0ASubject: RV10-List: Infinity leather=0A =0AI am wondering if Infinity is selling the sticks with a leather option or if this something the builders a putting on.=0A =0ANiko=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?RV10-List=0A=0A=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0A=0A =0A ======================== ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:31 PM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Infinity leather It would be quite difficult to do this. It would almost have to be sewn to the mold and then glued. It would be super-sweet, but it would be a ton of work. Also, I don't know how well it would hold up. Even in cars these days with leather seats, the steering wheel is usually some special material that holds up better to continual rubbing (I think - which can be dangerous). Do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Niko Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 4:31 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Infinity leather Okay, now I understand. It would be nice to have the grip wrapped with leather. but I suspect it would be a bit challenging. Niko 40188 ----- Original Message ---- From: Jesse Saint Sent: Monday, March 5, 2007 3:43:03 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Infinity leather I have not seen leather on the grips. I don't think infinity offers anything but the black plastic. The leather I was referring to was covering the stick from the bottom of the grip to the hole through the panel below. Do not archive. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Niko Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: RV10-List: Infinity leather I am wondering if Infinity is selling the sticks with a leather option or if this something the builders a putting on. Niko http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matrums.matronics.com/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.============= ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:17 PM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Overhead Liner It depends on what material you are using. If it is a cloth, then folding it over on itself and sewing it, then gluing it down works pretty well, or making the pieces separately and then sewing them together, or sewing one to itself and gluing it over the other one works well. That is what we do with the leather. Do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Niko Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 3:51 PM Subject: RV10-List: Overhead Liner One more question for the day. This one is in reference to the overhead liner and what to do at the seam where two sections mate and where the liner ends like the door posts. Is some type of binder being used here? I am going to use the fiberglass around the perimeter, however, I am wondering about all the other places where the liner ends. Thanks Niko 40188 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:31 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel flow gauge based on fuel injector spider pressure From: "Don" 0-10 PSI If you want the back pressure curve, you can email me at airflow2@bellsouth.net. Don Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98926#98926 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:50 PM PST US From: "jdalton77" Subject: Re: RV10-List: EAA Sport air workshops I'm taking it in April. Thanks for the Pirep! Jeff Wings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Williams, M.D." Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 9:20 AM Subject: RV10-List: EAA Sport air workshops > > > Here's a plug for the EAA sportair workshops. I attended the one on > electrical systems and Avionics in Dallas this weekend. It was taught by > Dick Koehler. Very worthwhile for a newbie like me. The course went over > the design and theory of the electrical systems for our aircraft. We > wired up an intercom harness and a small panel wiring exercise which > basically was the nav lights and panel light circut from the standard > van's wiring diagram. > I'd recommended it to anyone who does not have a good back round in > electronics. > Also got to meet Mark and Angela Lanier from Fort Worth. They are > currently working on wing construction. > > Fred Williams 40515 > Bottom wing skins riveted > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:49 PM PST US From: Bill DeRouchey Subject: RE: RV10-List: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? Only Lycoming can produce a "remanufactured" Lycoming engine. If this is other than a genuine Lycoming zero time reman then, at that price, run. A way to know is the engine log will have no entries and the front inside page will be a sticker signed by Lycoming with 0.0 for engine total time. Also, a Lycoming reman will have the suffix "R" on the serial number. Good Luck, Bill DeRouchey N939SB, flying bill@wtdaviationtechnology.com "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" wrote: Jay, I'd either negotiate a better price or pass on it. You can get a NEW engine from Mattituck (and I suspect others) for only $2K more and it will have a new engine warranty, etc. Since this engine has been sitting since 1979 it should at least be gone over to determine if the internals are Ok. Another RV-10 builder had his engine gone through by the local engine shop, didn't need any parts (except gaskets, rings, etc), and the cost was about $2000. That expense alone gets you to the price of new even if no parts are needed which is doubtful. I would think that as a minimum the fuel system would need to have seals replaced. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Brinkmeyer Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:16 AM Subject: RV10-List: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? Hey All, I'm looking for a sanity check on price/features for a "reman" zero time IO540 D4A5. It's a never used engine (vintage 1979). Includes: Fuel injection, magnetos, plugs, harness, starter 6 mo warranty 8.5-1 compression ratio Full test cell (fuel flow and oil pressure checkes) and dyno balance All AD's complied with (crank AD not relevant as the crank is older than thoses affected) $36.5K (is this a fair price) Is there anything else I should ask the vendor about? Thanks, Jay Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:08 PM PST US From: GenGrumpy@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flowscan in tunnel-pirep In a message dated 3/5/2007 2:18:51 PM Central Standard Time, pilotdds@aol.com writes: I have noticed a fuel flow fluctuation when leaning above 5000 feet. When using only the aircraft engine driven fuel pump the flow fluctates between 14.2 and 16 gph.I suspect boiling fuel and or cavitation in the tunnel mounted flowscan.Egts remain fairly steady.This is at 70 percent power and 1350 on the hottest egt.The fuel injection is airflow performance.I intend to relocate the flowscan to the engine between the controller and the spyder.My tunnel is well insullated and has blast air to keep cool.Has anybody else had similar problems?Great flying bird I hate to take it down for maintanance but I would hate to have the engine stop. 728DD 117 hours For what it's worth, my fuel flows have all been steady at all altitudes thus far. I have not done anything to cool my tunnel other than eliminate one of the heater muffs and install a valve to control ram air into the one remaining heater muff. Grumpy 40404 and 50 hours. do not archive


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:31 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flowscan in tunnel-pirep I've seen, on a hot summer day and a hot 2nd takeoff, a drop in fuel pressure while climbing....when you're at high fuel flows and high angle of attack (lots of heat), but nothing like you're describing when leaning above 5000'...only in full-power climb hot mode. On not steaming hot days, it's just the usual 28-29gph flow rate with plenty of pressure and when you start leaning it out it's always got great pressure. You could be correct that it's a heat or cavitation issue of some sort, but I don't think the default location for the fuel flow sensor has any real problems with it. That's not to discourage you from trying something new...but I just don't think it's been a common problem that's been identified. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive pilotdds@aol.com wrote: > I have noticed a fuel flow fluctuation when leaning above 5000 feet. > When using only the aircraft engine driven fuel pump the flow fluctates > between 14.2 and 16 gph.I suspect boiling fuel and or cavitation in the > tunnel mounted flowscan.Egts remain fairly steady.This is at 70 percent > power and 1350 on the hottest egt.The fuel injection is airflow > performance.I intend to relocate the flowscan to the engine between the > controller and the spyder.My tunnel is well insullated and has blast air > to keep cool.Has anybody else had similar problems?Great flying bird I > hate to take it down for maintanance but I would hate to have the engine > stop. > 728DD 117 hours > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim@MyRV10.com > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 11:06 AM > Subject: RV10-List: Chelton ADAHRS and Chelton WAAS Beta 3 GPS info is out > > > > > Just saw this posted on another board. Looks like there's > now a bunch more info out about both the origins of the > previously named "pinpoint" AHRS, plus, we can see perhaps > why Chelton is reluctant to "help" people by sending them > a FreeFlight GPS that isn't capable of Beta 3 WAAS approaches > anyway. > > It's great to see that they've officially put their name > on it. Does wonders to improve it's validity given the previous > secrecy as to the origins. Looks like nobody has to worry > about support going away for it. > > http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/CFSPR_ADAHRS.htm > http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/CFSPR_GPS.htm > http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/PDFs/CFS_ADAHRS.pdf > http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/PDFs/CFS_GPS_Receiver.pdf > > -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:26 PM PST US From: "Kelly McMullen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? Hi Bill, That may be true today, but it wasn't always true. In 1971 a factory reman was installed in my plane. I still have that logbook, with same serial number 3 overhauls later. The only letters in the serial number are L at the front and A at the rear. The factory signature looks like Jim Heim, Mar 19, 1971. Hmm, better get a birthday gift for my engine, for its 36th. On 3/5/07, Bill DeRouchey wrote: > Only Lycoming can produce a "remanufactured" Lycoming engine. If this is > other than a genuine Lycoming zero time reman then, at that price, run. A > way to know is the engine log will have no entries and the front inside page > will be a sticker signed by Lycoming with 0.0 for engine total time. Also, a > Lycoming reman will have the suffix "R" on the serial number. > > Good Luck, > Bill DeRouchey > N939SB, flying > bill@wtdaviationtechnology.com > > > "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" wrote: > > Jay, > > I'd either negotiate a better price or pass on it. You can get a NEW > engine from Mattituck (and I suspect others) for only $2K more and it > will have a new engine warranty, etc. > > Since this engine has been sitting since 1979 it should at least be gone > over to determine if the internals are Ok. Another RV-10 builder had > his engine gone through by the local engine shop, didn't need any parts > (except gaskets, rings, etc), and the cost was about $2000. That > expense alone gets you to the price of new even if no parts are needed > which is doubtful. I would think that as a minimum the fuel system > would need to have seals replaced. > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Jay > Brinkmeyer > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:16 AM > To: RV10 > Subject: RV10-List: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? > > > > Hey All, > > I'm looking for a sanity check > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:40 PM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RV10-List: Waterjet Cutting I am getting a job cut by the local waterjet shop and they have a minimum machine run time, which I will be a little under. If anybody has a panel they want cut out of 6061 T6 (I think) .063, I can get that done with my job probably as cheaply as it can be done, plus any shipping. It would have to be a cut-ready CAD file, or I could help design it for a small fee. Let me know offline if anybody is interested. Do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:00 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody Just saw this in today's AvWeb: ------------------- The families of former New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle and his flight instructor Tyler Stanger claim the crash of their Cirrus SR20 into a Manhattan apartment building was caused by a catastrophic failure of the flight control system. A statement released by Todd Macaluso, the lawyer representing the families of Lidle and Stanger, claims that FAA and NTSB data show that Cirrus aircraft have a history of aileron failures and there have been other accidents involving flight control failures, several of which resulted in deaths. The suit also names Teledyne, Hartzel Propeller, S-Tec, Honeywell and Justice Aviation. The NTSB has not yet determined a cause for the Oct. 11 crash, but an update to its preliminary report released in early November focuses on the role of a 13-knot crosswind in the accident and makes no mention of control anomalies. Cirrus has declined comment on details of the crash investigation. New York television station NY1 says the cause of the crash will determine whether Lidles family gets a $1 million insurance payout from Major League Baseball. Meanwhile, the owner of an apartment 13 floors above the impact point is suing Lidles family for $7 million, claiming the crash ruined his home. Dr. Lawrence Rosenthal claims the crash loosened bricks, broke windows and caused extensive smoke damage to his apartment, which is actually three suites joined together to form a single residence. Rosenthals lawyer, David Jaroslawicz, told reporters last week that everything was destroyed in his clients apartment and he and his family had to move out. Lidles plane hit the 30th floor of the apartment building on Manhattans Upper East Side. The engine was ejected into an apartment, but most of the plane bounced off the building and fell to the street. Lidle and Stanger were sightseeing in a strip of VFR airspace called the East River Exclusion Area when the pilot (it hasnt been determined who was flying) tried to make a U-turn at the northern boundary of the area. ------------------- OK, you know, this is what really ticks me off about idiots who sue everyone when they screw up. First, they sue Cirrus because they have "a history of aileron failures". But then they go on to sue Teledyne, Hartzel Prop, S-Tec, Honeywell, and Justice Aviation. Now tell me, what friggin' part of the aileron system does the Hartzel Prop cause to fail? And what about Teledyne? And if the aileron fails, is that S-Tec's fault? Or what about Honeywell.... they HAD to have something to do with it, right??? They're WAY big in the aileron business. I don't know if I'd even believe the original statement that the aileron failed causing the crash, but to go and sue everyone involved in producing the plane just shows you're an incredibly stupid, money grubbing, idiotic dumb schmuck. Too bad the penalty for losing a frivolous lawsuit isn't death by hanging....then maybe people would actually think about and focus on what really may have been the real problem before they just go looking for some quick cash. Sorry for the rant, but I just hope to heck we never see anything this idiotic come from this group. I highly doubt it, but perhaps it's worth having a good talk with your families about what you would like to have them pursue in the event of your death. It would be nice to know that they'll approach things a little rationally and not try to drive more nails in the coffin of the activity which we all enjoy so much. Tim -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:17 PM PST US From: "Dave Leikam" Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody I'm right with you on this Tim. A friend sent me this article earlier today. I think they should sue the company who built the building because it was in the flight path of the airplane. And why doesn't the guy who had his apartment wrecked just make a claim to his home owners insurance? The hanging penalty you speak of is "Loser pays all fees and costs." If the family or attorney thought they may have to pay all the costs for both sides if they lost the suit, they may not bring it at all. I don't think we will ever see this for obvious reasons. I have several pretty good life insurance policies. If I go west in a plane crash or any other manner, my family will be just fine, financially. Dave Leikam do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:08 PM Subject: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody > > Just saw this in today's AvWeb: > > ------------------- > The families of former New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle and his flight > instructor Tyler Stanger claim the crash of their Cirrus SR20 into a > Manhattan apartment building was caused by a catastrophic failure of the > flight control system. A statement released by Todd Macaluso, the lawyer > representing the families of Lidle and Stanger, claims that FAA and NTSB > data show that Cirrus aircraft have a history of aileron failures and > there have been other accidents involving flight control failures, > several of which resulted in deaths. The suit also names Teledyne, > Hartzel Propeller, S-Tec, Honeywell and Justice Aviation. The NTSB has not > yet determined a cause for the Oct. 11 crash, but an update to its > preliminary report released in early November focuses on the role of a > 13-knot crosswind in the accident and makes no mention of control > anomalies. Cirrus has declined comment on details of the crash > investigation. New York television station NY1 says the cause of the crash > will determine whether Lidles family gets a $1 million insurance payout > from Major League Baseball. Meanwhile, the owner of an apartment 13 floors > above the impact point is suing Lidles family for $7 million, claiming > the crash ruined his home. Dr. Lawrence Rosenthal claims the crash > loosened bricks, broke windows and caused extensive smoke damage to his > apartment, which is actually three suites joined together to form a single > residence. Rosenthals lawyer, David Jaroslawicz, told reporters last week > that everything was destroyed in his clients apartment and he and his > family had to move out. Lidles plane hit the 30th floor of the apartment > building on Manhattans Upper East Side. The engine was ejected into an > apartment, but most of the plane bounced off the building and fell to the > street. Lidle and Stanger were sightseeing in a strip of VFR airspace > called the East River Exclusion Area when the pilot (it hasnt been > determined who was flying) tried to make a U-turn at the northern boundary > of the area. > ------------------- > > OK, you know, this is what really ticks me off about idiots who sue > everyone when they screw up. First, they sue Cirrus because they > have "a history of aileron failures". But then they go on to sue > Teledyne, Hartzel Prop, S-Tec, Honeywell, and Justice Aviation. > Now tell me, what friggin' part of the aileron system does the > Hartzel Prop cause to fail? And what about Teledyne? And if the > aileron fails, is that S-Tec's fault? Or what about Honeywell.... > they HAD to have something to do with it, right??? They're WAY > big in the aileron business. I don't know if I'd even believe > the original statement that the aileron failed causing the crash, > but to go and sue everyone involved in producing the plane just shows > you're an incredibly stupid, money grubbing, idiotic dumb schmuck. > Too bad the penalty for losing a frivolous lawsuit isn't death by > hanging....then maybe people would actually think about and focus > on what really may have been the real problem before they just > go looking for some quick cash. > > Sorry for the rant, but I just hope to heck we never see anything > this idiotic come from this group. I highly doubt it, but perhaps > it's worth having a good talk with your families about what you would > like to have them pursue in the event of your death. It would be nice > to know that they'll approach things a little rationally and not try > to drive more nails in the coffin of the activity which we all enjoy > so much. > > Tim > > > -- > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:18 PM PST US From: "Rob Hunter" Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody Tim, You know what will really burn your tail is that they will get a jury of the dumbest people they can find (Leno Jaywalkers) and they will win every suit. Even if it makes no sense. The FBO that I worked for years ago rented a C-150 Aerobat to a couple of guys who decided to practice spins under a 1500' overcast. They video taped the whole event from the cockpit. The FBO and Cessna were responsible because the C-150 would not recover from a spin in the available space. There are so many like that out there it's incredible. You or I will never end up on one of those juries. Rob Hunter Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:09 PM Subject: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody Just saw this in today's AvWeb: ------------------- The families of former New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle and his flight instructor Tyler Stanger claim the crash of their Cirrus SR20 into a Manhattan apartment building was caused by a "catastrophic failure of the flight control system." A statement released by Todd Macaluso, the lawyer representing the families of Lidle and Stanger, claims that FAA and NTSB data show that Cirrus aircraft have "a history of aileron failures" and "there have been other accidents involving flight control failures, several of which resulted in deaths." The suit also names Teledyne, Hartzel Propeller, S-Tec, Honeywell and Justice Aviation. The NTSB has not yet determined a cause for the Oct. 11 crash, but an update to its preliminary report released in early November focuses on the role of a 13-knot crosswind in the accident and makes no mention of control anomalies. Cirrus has declined comment on details of the crash investigation. New York television station NY1 says the cause of the crash will determine whether Lidle's family gets a $1 million insurance payout from Major League Baseball. Meanwhile, the owner of an apartment 13 floors above the impact point is suing Lidle's family for $7 million, claiming the crash ruined his home. Dr. Lawrence Rosenthal claims the crash loosened bricks, broke windows and caused extensive smoke damage to his apartment, which is actually three suites joined together to form a single residence. Rosenthal's lawyer, David Jaroslawicz, told reporters last week that "everything was destroyed" in his client's apartment and he and his family had to move out. Lidle's plane hit the 30th floor of the apartment building on Manhattan's Upper East Side. The engine was ejected into an apartment, but most of the plane bounced off the building and fell to the street. Lidle and Stanger were sightseeing in a strip of VFR airspace called the East River Exclusion Area when the pilot (it hasn't been determined who was flying) tried to make a U-turn at the northern boundary of the area. ------------------- OK, you know, this is what really ticks me off about idiots who sue everyone when they screw up. First, they sue Cirrus because they have "a history of aileron failures". But then they go on to sue Teledyne, Hartzel Prop, S-Tec, Honeywell, and Justice Aviation. Now tell me, what friggin' part of the aileron system does the Hartzel Prop cause to fail? And what about Teledyne? And if the aileron fails, is that S-Tec's fault? Or what about Honeywell.... they HAD to have something to do with it, right??? They're WAY big in the aileron business. I don't know if I'd even believe the original statement that the aileron failed causing the crash, but to go and sue everyone involved in producing the plane just shows you're an incredibly stupid, money grubbing, idiotic dumb schmuck. Too bad the penalty for losing a frivolous lawsuit isn't death by hanging....then maybe people would actually think about and focus on what really may have been the real problem before they just go looking for some quick cash. Sorry for the rant, but I just hope to heck we never see anything this idiotic come from this group. I highly doubt it, but perhaps it's worth having a good talk with your families about what you would like to have them pursue in the event of your death. It would be nice to know that they'll approach things a little rationally and not try to drive more nails in the coffin of the activity which we all enjoy so much. Tim -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:47 PM PST US From: "The McGough Family" Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody And lets not mention movie stars as politicians.....oh dear you have to laugh....not! Who voted them in? DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Hunter" Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 6:16 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody > > Tim, You know what will really burn your tail is that they will get a > jury of the dumbest people they can find (Leno Jaywalkers) and they will > win every suit. Even if it makes no sense. The FBO that I worked for > years ago rented a C-150 Aerobat to a couple of guys who decided to > practice spins under a 1500' overcast. They video taped the whole event > from the cockpit. The FBO and Cessna were responsible because the C-150 > would not recover from a spin in the available space. There are so many > like that out there it's incredible. You or I will never end up on one > of those juries. > > Rob Hunter > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:09 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody > > > > Just saw this in today's AvWeb: > > ------------------- > The families of former New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle and his > flight instructor Tyler Stanger claim the crash of their Cirrus SR20 > into a Manhattan apartment building was caused by a "catastrophic > failure of the flight control system." A statement released by Todd > Macaluso, the lawyer representing the families of Lidle and Stanger, > claims that FAA and NTSB data show that Cirrus aircraft have "a history > of aileron failures" and "there have been other accidents involving > flight control failures, several of which resulted in deaths." The suit > also names Teledyne, Hartzel Propeller, S-Tec, Honeywell and Justice > Aviation. The NTSB has not yet determined a cause for the Oct. 11 crash, > > but an update to its preliminary report released in early November > focuses on the role of a 13-knot crosswind in the accident and makes no > mention of control anomalies. Cirrus has declined comment on details of > the crash investigation. New York television station NY1 says the cause > of the crash will determine whether Lidle's family gets a $1 million > insurance payout from Major League Baseball. Meanwhile, the owner of an > apartment 13 floors above the impact point is suing Lidle's family for > $7 million, claiming the crash ruined his home. Dr. Lawrence Rosenthal > claims the crash loosened bricks, broke windows and caused extensive > smoke damage to his apartment, which is actually three suites joined > together to form a single residence. Rosenthal's lawyer, David > Jaroslawicz, told reporters last week that "everything was destroyed" in > > his client's apartment and he and his family had to move out. Lidle's > plane hit the 30th floor of the apartment building on Manhattan's Upper > East Side. The engine was ejected into an apartment, but most of the > plane bounced off the building and fell to the street. Lidle and Stanger > > were sightseeing in a strip of VFR airspace called the East River > Exclusion Area when the pilot (it hasn't been determined who was flying) > > tried to make a U-turn at the northern boundary of the area. > ------------------- > > OK, you know, this is what really ticks me off about idiots who sue > everyone when they screw up. First, they sue Cirrus because they have > "a history of aileron failures". But then they go on to sue Teledyne, > Hartzel Prop, S-Tec, Honeywell, and Justice Aviation. Now tell me, what > friggin' part of the aileron system does the Hartzel Prop cause to fail? > And what about Teledyne? And if the aileron fails, is that S-Tec's > fault? Or what about Honeywell.... they HAD to have something to do > with it, right??? They're WAY big in the aileron business. I don't > know if I'd even believe the original statement that the aileron failed > causing the crash, but to go and sue everyone involved in producing the > plane just shows you're an incredibly stupid, money grubbing, idiotic > dumb schmuck. Too bad the penalty for losing a frivolous lawsuit isn't > death by hanging....then maybe people would actually think about and > focus on what really may have been the real problem before they just go > looking for some quick cash. > > Sorry for the rant, but I just hope to heck we never see anything this > idiotic come from this group. I highly doubt it, but perhaps it's worth > having a good talk with your families about what you would like to have > them pursue in the event of your death. It would be nice to know that > they'll approach things a little rationally and not try to drive more > nails in the coffin of the activity which we all enjoy so much. > > Tim > > > -- > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.