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1. 12:33 AM - Re: OT: So let's just sue everbody (Chris Johnston)
2. 02:28 AM - Re: OT: So let's just sue everbody (Jack Sargeant)
3. 05:27 AM - Re: OT: So let's just sue everbody (Jesse Saint)
4. 05:55 AM - Re: OT: So let's just sue everybody (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
5. 07:14 AM - Re: What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? (Dave Saylor)
6. 07:14 AM - So let's just sue everybody (Fred Williams, M.D.)
7. 07:50 AM - Re: OT: So let's just sue everybody (John Gonzalez)
8. 08:20 AM - Re: Chelton ADAHRS and Chelton WAAS Beta 3 GPS info is out (Sean Stephens)
9. 08:21 AM - Re: Re: Tail cone F-1032 (Michael D Chase)
10. 09:42 AM - Re: So let's just sue everybody (Chris Johnston)
11. 11:17 AM - Re: Overhead Liner (Niko)
12. 11:26 AM - Re: So let's just sue everybody (John Gonzalez)
13. 12:54 PM - Re: OT: So let's just sue everybody (John Dunne)
14. 02:05 PM - Re: Air Conditioning Kit Complete and Posted (John N. Strain II)
15. 02:18 PM - Re: OT: So let's just sue everybody- called Deep Pockets (Deems Davis)
16. 03:30 PM - Re: OT: So let's just sue everybody- called Deep Pockets (Rick)
17. 03:42 PM - Re: Air Conditioning Kit Complete and Posted (ddddsp1@juno.com)
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20. 09:17 PM - Re: So let's just sue everybody (DejaVu)
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| Subject: | OT: So let's just sue everbody |
harrumph.... not much makes me as upset as the vile litigiousness
that's become so commonplace these days. I was sued once for 750,000 by
a person who came to my house, had too much to drink and stumbled down
my 2 porch steps and broke her foot. Yuck. Yuckier still that i don't
even drink! That sucky experience led me to write a will that incudes
the provisions that in the event that i die skydiving or base jumping,
(i'll have to re-write it to include flying) no lawsuits are to be
brought against any parties for any reason - even if those parties are
seemingly at fault. My family all know better than to sue anyone on my
behalf, but just in case, i put it in writing. Losing loved ones to an
accident is sad. Cheapening the loss by hunting for dollars is sadder
still. Not that I take unnecessary chances - it's just that all the
fun stuff comes with some risks. ya know? Sometimes you gotta jump off
a building with a parachute at 2am...
cj
#40410
fuse
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of The McGough
Family
Sent: Mon 3/5/2007 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody
<VHMUM@bigpond.com>
And lets not mention movie stars as politicians.....oh dear you have to
laugh....not! Who voted them in?
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Hunter" <rwhunter@integra.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 6:16 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody
>
> Tim, You know what will really burn your tail is that they will get a
> jury of the dumbest people they can find (Leno Jaywalkers) and they
will
> win every suit. Even if it makes no sense. The FBO that I worked for
> years ago rented a C-150 Aerobat to a couple of guys who decided to
> practice spins under a 1500' overcast. They video taped the whole
event
> from the cockpit. The FBO and Cessna were responsible because the
C-150
> would not recover from a spin in the available space. There are so
many
> like that out there it's incredible. You or I will never end up on
one
> of those juries.
>
> Rob Hunter
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:09 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody
>
>
>
> Just saw this in today's AvWeb:
>
> -------------------
> The families of former New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle and his
> flight instructor Tyler Stanger claim the crash of their Cirrus SR20
> into a Manhattan apartment building was caused by a "catastrophic
> failure of the flight control system." A statement released by Todd
> Macaluso, the lawyer representing the families of Lidle and Stanger,
> claims that FAA and NTSB data show that Cirrus aircraft have "a
history
> of aileron failures" and "there have been other accidents involving
> flight control failures, several of which resulted in deaths." The
suit
> also names Teledyne, Hartzel Propeller, S-Tec, Honeywell and Justice
> Aviation. The NTSB has not yet determined a cause for the Oct. 11
crash,
>
> but an update to its preliminary report released in early November
> focuses on the role of a 13-knot crosswind in the accident and makes
no
> mention of control anomalies. Cirrus has declined comment on details
of
> the crash investigation. New York television station NY1 says the
cause
> of the crash will determine whether Lidle's family gets a $1 million
> insurance payout from Major League Baseball. Meanwhile, the owner of
an
> apartment 13 floors above the impact point is suing Lidle's family for
> $7 million, claiming the crash ruined his home. Dr. Lawrence Rosenthal
> claims the crash loosened bricks, broke windows and caused extensive
> smoke damage to his apartment, which is actually three suites joined
> together to form a single residence. Rosenthal's lawyer, David
> Jaroslawicz, told reporters last week that "everything was destroyed"
in
>
> his client's apartment and he and his family had to move out. Lidle's
> plane hit the 30th floor of the apartment building on Manhattan's
Upper
> East Side. The engine was ejected into an apartment, but most of the
> plane bounced off the building and fell to the street. Lidle and
Stanger
>
> were sightseeing in a strip of VFR airspace called the East River
> Exclusion Area when the pilot (it hasn't been determined who was
flying)
>
> tried to make a U-turn at the northern boundary of the area.
> -------------------
>
> OK, you know, this is what really ticks me off about idiots who sue
> everyone when they screw up. First, they sue Cirrus because they have
> "a history of aileron failures". But then they go on to sue Teledyne,
> Hartzel Prop, S-Tec, Honeywell, and Justice Aviation. Now tell me,
what
> friggin' part of the aileron system does the Hartzel Prop cause to
fail?
> And what about Teledyne? And if the aileron fails, is that S-Tec's
> fault? Or what about Honeywell.... they HAD to have something to do
> with it, right??? They're WAY big in the aileron business. I don't
> know if I'd even believe the original statement that the aileron
failed
> causing the crash, but to go and sue everyone involved in producing
the
> plane just shows you're an incredibly stupid, money grubbing, idiotic
> dumb schmuck. Too bad the penalty for losing a frivolous lawsuit isn't
> death by hanging....then maybe people would actually think about and
> focus on what really may have been the real problem before they just
go
> looking for some quick cash.
>
> Sorry for the rant, but I just hope to heck we never see anything this
> idiotic come from this group. I highly doubt it, but perhaps it's
worth
> having a good talk with your families about what you would like to
have
> them pursue in the event of your death. It would be nice to know that
> they'll approach things a little rationally and not try to drive more
> nails in the coffin of the activity which we all enjoy so much.
>
> Tim
>
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | OT: So let's just sue everbody |
And the families probably never even thought of suing until the money
grubbing blood sucking lawyer suggested it!
Jack & Cecilia Sargeant
1127 Patricia St.
Wichita, KS 67208-2642
316/683-5268
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris Johnston
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 2:32 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody
harrumph.... not much makes me as upset as the vile litigiousness that's
become so commonplace these days. I was sued once for 750,000 by a person
who came to my house, had too much to drink and stumbled down my 2 porch
steps and broke her foot. Yuck. Yuckier still that i don't even drink!
That sucky experience led me to write a will that incudes the provisions
that in the event that i die skydiving or base jumping, (i'll have to
re-write it to include flying) no lawsuits are to be brought against any
parties for any reason - even if those parties are seemingly at fault. My
family all know better than to sue anyone on my behalf, but just in case, i
put it in writing. Losing loved ones to an accident is sad. Cheapening the
loss by hunting for dollars is sadder still. Not that I take unnecessary
chances - it's just that all the fun stuff comes with some risks. ya
know? Sometimes you gotta jump off a building with a parachute at 2am...
cj
#40410
fuse
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of The McGough Family
Sent: Mon 3/5/2007 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody
And lets not mention movie stars as politicians.....oh dear you have to
laugh....not! Who voted them in?
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Hunter" <rwhunter@integra.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 6:16 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody
>
> Tim, You know what will really burn your tail is that they will get a
> jury of the dumbest people they can find (Leno Jaywalkers) and they will
> win every suit. Even if it makes no sense. The FBO that I worked for
> years ago rented a C-150 Aerobat to a couple of guys who decided to
> practice spins under a 1500' overcast. They video taped the whole event
> from the cockpit. The FBO and Cessna were responsible because the C-150
> would not recover from a spin in the available space. There are so many
> like that out there it's incredible. You or I will never end up on one
> of those juries.
>
> Rob Hunter
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:09 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody
>
>
>
> Just saw this in today's AvWeb:
>
> -------------------
> The families of former New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle and his
> flight instructor Tyler Stanger claim the crash of their Cirrus SR20
> into a Manhattan apartment building was caused by a "catastrophic
> failure of the flight control system." A statement released by Todd
> Macaluso, the lawyer representing the families of Lidle and Stanger,
> claims that FAA and NTSB data show that Cirrus aircraft have "a history
> of aileron failures" and "there have been other accidents involving
> flight control failures, several of which resulted in deaths." The suit
> also names Teledyne, Hartzel Propeller, S-Tec, Honeywell and Justice
> Aviation. The NTSB has not yet determined a cause for the Oct. 11 crash,
>
> but an update to its preliminary report released in early November
> focuses on the role of a 13-knot crosswind in the accident and makes no
> mention of control anomalies. Cirrus has declined comment on details of
> the crash investigation. New York television station NY1 says the cause
> of the crash will determine whether Lidle's family gets a $1 million
> insurance payout from Major League Baseball. Meanwhile, the owner of an
> apartment 13 floors above the impact point is suing Lidle's family for
> $7 million, claiming the crash ruined his home. Dr. Lawrence Rosenthal
> claims the crash loosened bricks, broke windows and caused extensive
> smoke damage to his apartment, which is actually three suites joined
> together to form a single residence. Rosenthal's lawyer, David
> Jaroslawicz, told reporters last week that "everything was destroyed" in
>
> his client's apartment and he and his family had to move out. Lidle's
> plane hit the 30th floor of the apartment building on Manhattan's Upper
> East Side. The engine was ejected into an apartment, but most of the
> plane bounced off the building and fell to the street. Lidle and Stanger
>
> were sightseeing in a strip of VFR airspace called the East River
> Exclusion Area when the pilot (it hasn't been determined who was flying)
>
> tried to make a U-turn at the northern boundary of the area.
> -------------------
>
> OK, you know, this is what really ticks me off about idiots who sue
> everyone when they screw up. First, they sue Cirrus because they have
> "a history of aileron failures". But then they go on to sue Teledyne,
> Hartzel Prop, S-Tec, Honeywell, and Justice Aviation. Now tell me, what
> friggin' part of the aileron system does the Hartzel Prop cause to fail?
> And what about Teledyne? And if the aileron fails, is that S-Tec's
> fault? Or what about Honeywell.... they HAD to have something to do
> with it, right??? They're WAY big in the aileron business. I don't
> know if I'd even believe the original statement that the aileron failed
> causing the crash, but to go and sue everyone involved in producing the
> plane just shows you're an incredibly stupid, money grubbing, idiotic
> dumb schmuck. Too bad the penalty for losing a frivolous lawsuit isn't
> death by hanging....then maybe people would actually think about and
> focus on what really may have been the real problem before they just go
> looking for some quick cash.
>
> Sorry for the rant, but I just hope to heck we never see anything this
> idiotic come from this group. I highly doubt it, but perhaps it's worth
> having a good talk with your families about what you would like to have
> them pursue in the event of your death. It would be nice to know that
> they'll approach things a little rationally and not try to drive more
> nails in the coffin of the activity which we all enjoy so much.
>
> Tim
>
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | OT: So let's just sue everbody |
I agree. Actually, the lawyer after an RV-10 crash would probably have a
bunch of people on this list in the suit, especially Tim O, and probably
Matt Dralle in there towards the top for making this "unsafe exchange of
ideas" possible. They should definitely add Bush because of the excess
humidity caused by his single-handed increase in global warming, causing the
builder to sweat, causing increased corrosion on internal parts and
premature failure. Wait, what about Abby for sewing the seats that didn't
cause the crash but certainly could have made the pilot too comfortable and
confident in his skills. What about Akzo because they didn't advertise
enough, causing too many people to miss out on their great
corrosion-reducing primer. Man, we could go on all day.
Why can't we just make a law that the lawyer of each pilot always fly with
him so he dies too if the plane goes down (no offense meant to any lawyers
out there, unless you are this specific kind).
Do not archive this nonsense.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sargeant
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 5:27 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody
And the families probably never even thought of suing until the money
grubbing blood sucking lawyer suggested it!
Jack & Cecilia Sargeant
1127 Patricia St.
Wichita, KS 67208-2642
316/683-5268
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris Johnston
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 2:32 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody
harrumph.... not much makes me as upset as the vile litigiousness that's
become so commonplace these days. I was sued once for 750,000 by a person
who came to my house, had too much to drink and stumbled down my 2 porch
steps and broke her foot. Yuck. Yuckier still that i don't even drink!
That sucky experience led me to write a will that incudes the provisions
that in the event that i die skydiving or base jumping, (i'll have to
re-write it to include flying) no lawsuits are to be brought against any
parties for any reason - even if those parties are seemingly at fault. My
family all know better than to sue anyone on my behalf, but just in case, i
put it in writing. Losing loved ones to an accident is sad. Cheapening the
loss by hunting for dollars is sadder still. Not that I take unnecessary
chances - it's just that all the fun stuff comes with some risks. ya
know? Sometimes you gotta jump off a building with a parachute at 2am...
cj
#40410
fuse
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of The McGough Family
Sent: Mon 3/5/2007 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody
And lets not mention movie stars as politicians.....oh dear you have to
laugh....not! Who voted them in?
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Hunter" <rwhunter@integra.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 6:16 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody
>
> Tim, You know what will really burn your tail is that they will get a
> jury of the dumbest people they can find (Leno Jaywalkers) and they will
> win every suit. Even if it makes no sense. The FBO that I worked for
> years ago rented a C-150 Aerobat to a couple of guys who decided to
> practice spins under a 1500' overcast. They video taped the whole event
> from the cockpit. The FBO and Cessna were responsible because the C-150
> would not recover from a spin in the available space. There are so many
> like that out there it's incredible. You or I will never end up on one
> of those juries.
>
> Rob Hunter
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:09 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody
>
>
>
> Just saw this in today's AvWeb:
>
> -------------------
> The families of former New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle and his
> flight instructor Tyler Stanger claim the crash of their Cirrus SR20
> into a Manhattan apartment building was caused by a "catastrophic
> failure of the flight control system." A statement released by Todd
> Macaluso, the lawyer representing the families of Lidle and Stanger,
> claims that FAA and NTSB data show that Cirrus aircraft have "a history
> of aileron failures" and "there have been other accidents involving
> flight control failures, several of which resulted in deaths." The suit
> also names Teledyne, Hartzel Propeller, S-Tec, Honeywell and Justice
> Aviation. The NTSB has not yet determined a cause for the Oct. 11 crash,
>
> but an update to its preliminary report released in early November
> focuses on the role of a 13-knot crosswind in the accident and makes no
> mention of control anomalies. Cirrus has declined comment on details of
> the crash investigation. New York television station NY1 says the cause
> of the crash will determine whether Lidle's family gets a $1 million
> insurance payout from Major League Baseball. Meanwhile, the owner of an
> apartment 13 floors above the impact point is suing Lidle's family for
> $7 million, claiming the crash ruined his home. Dr. Lawrence Rosenthal
> claims the crash loosened bricks, broke windows and caused extensive
> smoke damage to his apartment, which is actually three suites joined
> together to form a single residence. Rosenthal's lawyer, David
> Jaroslawicz, told reporters last week that "everything was destroyed" in
>
> his client's apartment and he and his family had to move out. Lidle's
> plane hit the 30th floor of the apartment building on Manhattan's Upper
> East Side. The engine was ejected into an apartment, but most of the
> plane bounced off the building and fell to the street. Lidle and Stanger
>
> were sightseeing in a strip of VFR airspace called the East River
> Exclusion Area when the pilot (it hasn't been determined who was flying)
>
> tried to make a U-turn at the northern boundary of the area.
> -------------------
>
> OK, you know, this is what really ticks me off about idiots who sue
> everyone when they screw up. First, they sue Cirrus because they have
> "a history of aileron failures". But then they go on to sue Teledyne,
> Hartzel Prop, S-Tec, Honeywell, and Justice Aviation. Now tell me, what
> friggin' part of the aileron system does the Hartzel Prop cause to fail?
> And what about Teledyne? And if the aileron fails, is that S-Tec's
> fault? Or what about Honeywell.... they HAD to have something to do
> with it, right??? They're WAY big in the aileron business. I don't
> know if I'd even believe the original statement that the aileron failed
> causing the crash, but to go and sue everyone involved in producing the
> plane just shows you're an incredibly stupid, money grubbing, idiotic
> dumb schmuck. Too bad the penalty for losing a frivolous lawsuit isn't
> death by hanging....then maybe people would actually think about and
> focus on what really may have been the real problem before they just go
> looking for some quick cash.
>
> Sorry for the rant, but I just hope to heck we never see anything this
> idiotic come from this group. I highly doubt it, but perhaps it's worth
> having a good talk with your families about what you would like to have
> them pursue in the event of your death. It would be nice to know that
> they'll approach things a little rationally and not try to drive more
> nails in the coffin of the activity which we all enjoy so much.
>
> Tim
>
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
--
9:41 AM
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| Subject: | OT: So let's just sue everybody |
Well, after reading that I feel the need to sue Lidle's family for
causing me emotional stress and the apartment owner for having his
apartment in the way of the aircraft thus causing the accident, which
caused this stupid lawsuit, which is causing my emotional stress.
What a bunch of tools. Makes me wonder if common sense is completely
dead and everyone is just here for the pursuit of money. Just once I
would like to see a jury loose the me too attitude and turn a lawsuit
like this completely around and force the families to pay the FBO and
manufacturers for defamation of character.
Michael
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody
Just saw this in today's AvWeb:
-------------------
The families of former New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle and his
flight instructor Tyler Stanger claim the crash of their Cirrus SR20
into a Manhattan apartment building was caused by a "catastrophic
failure of the flight control system." A statement released by Todd
Macaluso, the lawyer representing the families of Lidle and Stanger,
claims that FAA and NTSB data show that Cirrus aircraft have "a history
of aileron failures" and "there have been other accidents involving
flight control failures, several of which resulted in deaths." The suit
also names Teledyne, Hartzel Propeller, S-Tec, Honeywell and Justice
Aviation. The NTSB has not yet determined a cause for the Oct. 11 crash,
but an update to its preliminary report released in early November
focuses on the role of a 13-knot crosswind in the accident and makes no
mention of control anomalies. Cirrus has declined comment on details of
the crash investigation. New York television station NY1 says the cause
of the crash will determine whether Lidle's family gets a $1 million
insurance payout from Major League Baseball. Meanwhile, the owner of an
apartment 13 floors above the impact point is suing Lidle's family for
$7 million, claiming the crash ruined his home. Dr. Lawrence Rosenthal
claims the crash loosened bricks, broke windows and caused extensive
smoke damage to his apartment, which is actually three suites joined
together to form a single residence. Rosenthal's lawyer, David
Jaroslawicz, told reporters last week that "everything was destroyed" in
his client's apartment and he and his family had to move out. Lidle's
plane hit the 30th floor of the apartment building on Manhattan's Upper
East Side. The engine was ejected into an apartment, but most of the
plane bounced off the building and fell to the street. Lidle and Stanger
were sightseeing in a strip of VFR airspace called the East River
Exclusion Area when the pilot (it hasn't been determined who was flying)
tried to make a U-turn at the northern boundary of the area.
-------------------
OK, you know, this is what really ticks me off about idiots who sue
everyone when they screw up. First, they sue Cirrus because they
have "a history of aileron failures". But then they go on to sue
Teledyne, Hartzel Prop, S-Tec, Honeywell, and Justice Aviation.
Now tell me, what friggin' part of the aileron system does the
Hartzel Prop cause to fail? And what about Teledyne? And if the
aileron fails, is that S-Tec's fault? Or what about Honeywell....
they HAD to have something to do with it, right??? They're WAY
big in the aileron business. I don't know if I'd even believe
the original statement that the aileron failed causing the crash,
but to go and sue everyone involved in producing the plane just shows
you're an incredibly stupid, money grubbing, idiotic dumb schmuck.
Too bad the penalty for losing a frivolous lawsuit isn't death by
hanging....then maybe people would actually think about and focus
on what really may have been the real problem before they just
go looking for some quick cash.
Sorry for the rant, but I just hope to heck we never see anything
this idiotic come from this group. I highly doubt it, but perhaps
it's worth having a good talk with your families about what you would
like to have them pursue in the event of your death. It would be nice
to know that they'll approach things a little rationally and not try
to drive more nails in the coffin of the activity which we all enjoy
so much.
Tim
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
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| Subject: | What's the going rate on a "reaman" IO540 D4A5? |
Jay,
If the engine has been sitting since 1979, it's not a bolt-in. It basically
needs a teardown inspection to replace seals, check for corrosion, etc.
Most shops charge a flat rate for that so it should be an easy thing to
price, assuming no squawks. The cost of the engine should reflect needing
the inspection. Lycon in Visalia, CA is charges about $31K for a similar
engine outright w/ fresh overhaul, dyno run, etc. www.lycon.com . Your
price seems high.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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| Subject: | So let's just sue everybody |
Ditto on "kill all the lawyers"
Couple things.
1. You can't cure stupidity.
2. I have a friend who loaned me an accident evaluation of the Cirrus
crash. He was killed by physics... not aileron failure. It came down
to turn radius and speed. The corridor that he was attempting to turn
in was very narrow. If I remember correctly, only about a mile wide.
He was also turning downwind which lengthened his ground track turn
radius. When they calculated the amount of airspace that it took to
execute a 180 degree turn it exceeded the real estate that he had. So,
he was killed by physics. There is a good explanation of speed vs turn
radius in "Stick and Rudder." Only there they are talking about why one
crashes into the ground while strafing the girlfriends house.
Basically, at high speed it takes four times the radius to turn.
One of the recommendations was that if you find yourself in this sort of
situation: _slow down._
Pull the throttle and drop the flaps if you can. After I read the write
up on the accident, I went out and tried it in my 152. A coordinated
turn with full flaps can be surprisingly tight. Tuck that information
away the next time you find yourself in a canyon with limited airspace.
Dr. Fred
40515
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| Subject: | OT: So let's just sue everybody |
Okay, I have something to add to Tim's comments. Most of you do not know
this tid bit of information. The apartment owner in Manhattan, Lawrence
Rosenthal...If you believe in Karma, I think the plane actually was intended
to hit him.
You see Dr. Rosenthal is a famous Dentist. We all know how much people love
their dentists!!! He is a special one...he is a narcissistic, ego maniac. He
is also known for other things.
Go to: Baddentist.com or worstdentist.com
Now you can't believe everything you read...but in this case some might be
willing to make an exception to that rule.
Sorry, I couldn't help myself on this one.
It is the only amusing thing I find in this story.
I agree with Tim, it seems that most involved in this are smucks or blood
sucking leeches
John G. 409
>From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody
>Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 23:08:35 -0600
>
>
>Just saw this in today's AvWeb:
>
>-------------------
>The families of former New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle and his flight
>instructor Tyler Stanger claim the crash of their Cirrus SR20 into a
>Manhattan apartment building was caused by a catastrophic failure of the
>flight control system. A statement released by Todd Macaluso, the lawyer
>representing the families of Lidle and Stanger, claims that FAA and NTSB
>data show that Cirrus aircraft have a history of aileron failures and
>there have been other accidents involving flight control failures, several
>of which resulted in deaths. The suit also names Teledyne, Hartzel
>Propeller, S-Tec, Honeywell and Justice Aviation. The NTSB has not yet
>determined a cause for the Oct. 11 crash, but an update to its preliminary
>report released in early November focuses on the role of a 13-knot
>crosswind in the accident and makes no mention of control anomalies. Cirrus
>has declined comment on details of the crash investigation. New York
>television station NY1 says the cause of the crash will determine whether
>Lidles family gets a $1 million insurance payout from Major League
>Baseball. Meanwhile, the owner of an apartment 13 floors above the impact
>point is suing Lidles family for $7 million, claiming the crash ruined his
>home. Dr. Lawrence Rosenthal claims the crash loosened bricks, broke
>windows and caused extensive smoke damage to his apartment, which is
>actually three suites joined together to form a single residence.
>Rosenthals lawyer, David Jaroslawicz, told reporters last week that
>everything was destroyed in his clients apartment and he and his family
>had to move out. Lidles plane hit the 30th floor of the apartment building
>on Manhattans Upper East Side. The engine was ejected into an apartment,
>but most of the plane bounced off the building and fell to the street.
>Lidle and Stanger were sightseeing in a strip of VFR airspace called the
>East River Exclusion Area when the pilot (it hasnt been determined who was
>flying) tried to make a U-turn at the northern boundary of the area.
>-------------------
>
>OK, you know, this is what really ticks me off about idiots who sue
>everyone when they screw up. First, they sue Cirrus because they
>have "a history of aileron failures". But then they go on to sue
>Teledyne, Hartzel Prop, S-Tec, Honeywell, and Justice Aviation.
>Now tell me, what friggin' part of the aileron system does the
>Hartzel Prop cause to fail? And what about Teledyne? And if the
>aileron fails, is that S-Tec's fault? Or what about Honeywell....
>they HAD to have something to do with it, right??? They're WAY
>big in the aileron business. I don't know if I'd even believe
>the original statement that the aileron failed causing the crash,
>but to go and sue everyone involved in producing the plane just shows
>you're an incredibly stupid, money grubbing, idiotic dumb schmuck.
>Too bad the penalty for losing a frivolous lawsuit isn't death by
>hanging....then maybe people would actually think about and focus
>on what really may have been the real problem before they just
>go looking for some quick cash.
>
>Sorry for the rant, but I just hope to heck we never see anything
>this idiotic come from this group. I highly doubt it, but perhaps
>it's worth having a good talk with your families about what you would
>like to have them pursue in the event of your death. It would be nice
>to know that they'll approach things a little rationally and not try
>to drive more nails in the coffin of the activity which we all enjoy
>so much.
>
>Tim
>
>
>--
>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Chelton ADAHRS and Chelton WAAS Beta 3 GPS info is out |
See? The longer I'm delayed in getting back into the kit, the better
my panel gets. :)
This is great stuff.
-Sean #40303 (kit still in storage, almost ready to start again)
On Mar 5, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Just saw this posted on another board. Looks like there's
> now a bunch more info out about both the origins of the
> previously named "pinpoint" AHRS, plus, we can see perhaps
> why Chelton is reluctant to "help" people by sending them
> a FreeFlight GPS that isn't capable of Beta 3 WAAS approaches
> anyway.
>
> It's great to see that they've officially put their name
> on it. Does wonders to improve it's validity given the previous
> secrecy as to the origins. Looks like nobody has to worry
> about support going away for it.
>
> http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/CFSPR_ADAHRS.htm
> http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/CFSPR_GPS.htm
> http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/PDFs/CFS_ADAHRS.pdf
> http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/PDFs/CFS_GPS_Receiver.pdf
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tail cone F-1032 |
Thanks to all for the advice.
I bent the left last night, same method as previously attempted on the
broken right and it looks great no issues, two easy hits and done. I
spoke with Brain and Scott at Vans and new F1032 is on the way, they are
great to work with!
Michael Chase
General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products
802-657-6029 Office
802-922-5930 Cell
mchase@gdatp.com
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I would send it to Vans.
I just finished benting the Fuse longerons from the 3/4 x 3/4 x .125
angle, and this bent is gentle and easy compared with them.
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| Subject: | So let's just sue everybody |
Yup. I saw a little write-up that outlined the corridor width, speed of
the aircraft, and required bank angle to make a 180 safely, and it was
so steep that you might as well do a hammerhead instead - both maneuvers
would probably be considered "aerobatics", and the cirrus would look
much nicer after the hammerhead...
cj
#40410
fuse
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred
Williams, M.D.
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 7:08 AM
Subject: RV10-List: So let's just sue everybody
<drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
Ditto on "kill all the lawyers"
Couple things.
1. You can't cure stupidity.
2. I have a friend who loaned me an accident evaluation of the Cirrus
crash. He was killed by physics... not aileron failure. It came down
to turn radius and speed. The corridor that he was attempting to turn
in was very narrow. If I remember correctly, only about a mile wide.
He was also turning downwind which lengthened his ground track turn
radius. When they calculated the amount of airspace that it took to
execute a 180 degree turn it exceeded the real estate that he had. So,
he was killed by physics. There is a good explanation of speed vs turn
radius in "Stick and Rudder." Only there they are talking about why one
crashes into the ground while strafing the girlfriends house.
Basically, at high speed it takes four times the radius to turn.
One of the recommendations was that if you find yourself in this sort of
situation: _slow down._
Pull the throttle and drop the flaps if you can. After I read the write
up on the accident, I went out and tried it in my 152. A coordinated
turn with full flaps can be surprisingly tight. Tuck that information
away the next time you find yourself in a canyon with limited airspace.
Dr. Fred
40515
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead Liner |
Jesse,=0A=0A I am going to try sawing the two pieces of material together a
nd I think that should work out fine. I am using a cloth headliner with 1/
4" foam backing. At the edges I am thinking of using something called "wir
eon". I am going to bond it on to the edge of the Cabin Cover, open it up,
place the headliner inside and close it. You can see what I am talking ab
out in this website http://www.lebaronbonney.com/trim.htm I don't have a s
ample yet so I don't know how difficult it is to bend it around curves.=0A
=0A=0AThanks for the info.=0A=0ANiko=0A40188=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message
----=0AFrom: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matroni
cs.com=0ASent: Monday, March 5, 2007 5:09:34 PM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: O
verhead Liner=0A=0A=0AIt depends on what material you are using. If it is
a cloth, then folding it over on itself and sewing it, then gluing it down
works pretty well, or making the pieces separately and then sewing them tog
ether, or sewing one to itself and gluing it over the other one works well.
That is what we do with the leather. =0A =0ADo not archive=0A =0AJesse S
aint=0ASaint Aviation, Inc.=0Ajesse@saintaviation.com=0Awww.saintaviation.c
om=0ACell: 352-427-0285=0AFax: 815-377-3694=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-rv10-lis
t-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Beh
alf Of Niko=0ASent: Monday, March 05, 2007 3:51 PM=0ATo: Matronics=0ASubjec
t: RV10-List: Overhead Liner=0A =0AOne more question for the day.=0A =0AThi
s one is in reference to the overhead liner and what to do at the seam wher
e two sections mate and where the liner ends like the door posts. Is some
type of binder being used here? I am going to use the fiberglass around t
he perimeter, however, I am wondering about all the other places where the
liner ends.=0A =0AThanks=0ANiko=0A40188=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Ahttp:
//www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List=0A=0A=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.
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| Subject: | So let's just sue everybody |
Throw wind shear into the equation and a venturi effect from the surrounding
buildings, and it could be more bumpy than "Mr.Toads Wild Ride"
John G. 409
>From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: So let's just sue everybody
>Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:42:27 -0800
>
>
>Yup. I saw a little write-up that outlined the corridor width, speed of
>the aircraft, and required bank angle to make a 180 safely, and it was
>so steep that you might as well do a hammerhead instead - both maneuvers
>would probably be considered "aerobatics", and the cirrus would look
>much nicer after the hammerhead...
>
>cj
>#40410
>fuse
>www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred
>Williams, M.D.
>Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 7:08 AM
>To: RV 10
>Subject: RV10-List: So let's just sue everybody
>
><drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>
>Ditto on "kill all the lawyers"
>
>Couple things.
>
>1. You can't cure stupidity.
>
>2. I have a friend who loaned me an accident evaluation of the Cirrus
>crash. He was killed by physics... not aileron failure. It came down
>to turn radius and speed. The corridor that he was attempting to turn
>in was very narrow. If I remember correctly, only about a mile wide.
>He was also turning downwind which lengthened his ground track turn
>radius. When they calculated the amount of airspace that it took to
>execute a 180 degree turn it exceeded the real estate that he had. So,
>he was killed by physics. There is a good explanation of speed vs turn
>
>radius in "Stick and Rudder." Only there they are talking about why one
>
>crashes into the ground while strafing the girlfriends house.
>Basically, at high speed it takes four times the radius to turn.
>
>One of the recommendations was that if you find yourself in this sort of
>
>situation: _slow down._
>Pull the throttle and drop the flaps if you can. After I read the write
>
>up on the accident, I went out and tried it in my 152. A coordinated
>turn with full flaps can be surprisingly tight. Tuck that information
>away the next time you find yourself in a canyon with limited airspace.
>
>Dr. Fred
>40515
>
>
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| Subject: | OT: So let's just sue everybody |
I had a bit of "beer time" with a Hartzell rep late last year. Apart from
his disappointment at the fact I couldn't keep up with him on the beer
score, he iterated one of the great disappointments is the wasted time his
company has to endure when dragged into the myriad of court scraps to defend
or represent their product in cases where it merely "appears" on the front
of a pile of debris. Motto of Law,"If you fire enough bullets with a wide
enough aim.....you're bound to hit something". End quote.... beginning of
corrosion.
John 40315
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, 6 March 2007 3:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: OT: So let's just sue everbody
Just saw this in today's AvWeb:
-------------------
The families of former New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle and his
flight instructor Tyler Stanger claim the crash of their Cirrus SR20
into a Manhattan apartment building was caused by a "catastrophic
failure of the flight control system." A statement released by Todd
Macaluso, the lawyer representing the families of Lidle and Stanger,
claims that FAA and NTSB data show that Cirrus aircraft have "a history
of aileron failures" and "there have been other accidents involving
flight control failures, several of which resulted in deaths." The suit
also names Teledyne, Hartzel Propeller, S-Tec, Honeywell and Justice
Aviation. The NTSB has not yet determined a cause for the Oct. 11 crash,
but an update to its preliminary report released in early November
focuses on the role of a 13-knot crosswind in the accident and makes no
mention of control anomalies. Cirrus has declined comment on details of
the crash investigation. New York television station NY1 says the cause
of the crash will determine whether Lidle's family gets a $1 million
insurance payout from Major League Baseball. Meanwhile, the owner of an
apartment 13 floors above the impact point is suing Lidle's family for
$7 million, claiming the crash ruined his home. Dr. Lawrence Rosenthal
claims the crash loosened bricks, broke windows and caused extensive
smoke damage to his apartment, which is actually three suites joined
together to form a single residence. Rosenthal's lawyer, David
Jaroslawicz, told reporters last week that "everything was destroyed" in
his client's apartment and he and his family had to move out. Lidle's
plane hit the 30th floor of the apartment building on Manhattan's Upper
East Side. The engine was ejected into an apartment, but most of the
plane bounced off the building and fell to the street. Lidle and Stanger
were sightseeing in a strip of VFR airspace called the East River
Exclusion Area when the pilot (it hasn't been determined who was flying)
tried to make a U-turn at the northern boundary of the area.
-------------------
OK, you know, this is what really ticks me off about idiots who sue
everyone when they screw up. First, they sue Cirrus because they
have "a history of aileron failures". But then they go on to sue
Teledyne, Hartzel Prop, S-Tec, Honeywell, and Justice Aviation.
Now tell me, what friggin' part of the aileron system does the
Hartzel Prop cause to fail? And what about Teledyne? And if the
aileron fails, is that S-Tec's fault? Or what about Honeywell....
they HAD to have something to do with it, right??? They're WAY
big in the aileron business. I don't know if I'd even believe
the original statement that the aileron failed causing the crash,
but to go and sue everyone involved in producing the plane just shows
you're an incredibly stupid, money grubbing, idiotic dumb schmuck.
Too bad the penalty for losing a frivolous lawsuit isn't death by
hanging....then maybe people would actually think about and focus
on what really may have been the real problem before they just
go looking for some quick cash.
Sorry for the rant, but I just hope to heck we never see anything
this idiotic come from this group. I highly doubt it, but perhaps
it's worth having a good talk with your families about what you would
like to have them pursue in the event of your death. It would be nice
to know that they'll approach things a little rationally and not try
to drive more nails in the coffin of the activity which we all enjoy
so much.
Tim
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Air Conditioning Kit Complete and Posted |
DJ and 10 gang,
Sorry it took so long to get back to you. I have posted the new pricing on the
website.
Keep in mind that if you have your own LW10184 ring gear and/or an overhead air deliver panel, that we credit those component prices back to you if we do not supply. I am including the page url so that you do not have to go searching http://flightlineac.com/vans_aircraft_kits . If you have any questions feel free to call and we can get you more info or get your kit coming.
John Strain - president
Flightline AC, Inc.
541-330-5466
cell 541-815-8935
> wrote:
John N. Strain II wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Flightline AC has posted the completion of our kits for the RV10. Take
> a look at the website http://flightlineac.com/vans_aircraft_kits.
Hi John,
Do you know what the prices are? I might have missed it, but I could
not find any on the web site.
Thanks!
-Dj
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| Subject: | Re: OT: So let's just sue everybody- called Deep Pockets |
If I recall correctly from my insurance days. There's a legal precedent
called either 'Consequential Damages' or 'Contingent Liability' (I may
have the names wrong). which allows for a defendant which is found to
be only 10% responsible to be required to pay 90% of the damages. It was
euphemistically referred to as " Deep Pockets" within the insurance
company. Lawyers would typically cast the widest net they could hoping
that they would find at least one defendant with an insurance policy
with limits high enough to satisfy their greed, errr clients damages.
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Back in fiberglass hell !
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| Subject: | Re: OT: So let's just sue everybody- called Deep Pockets |
Also to make the defendents prove the were not a party to the loss and deterimine
if they are subject to contributory negligence,ie prop came off, because bolts
were too tight and crankshaft was also faulty. The really bad thing about
bringing in all the parties into the suit (even if they are not directly a contributor
to the cause of loss) is they get to "buy" themselves out of the suit.
Construction defect litigation is notorious for this, I have seen the porta
potty vendors and street washer truck operators named in suits!! Like they contributed
to the defects of a condo!!
Basically the two parties agree to release a party for a set amount like $10,000,
then because they know it will take $30,000 to provide a minimum defense they
figure they got a deal opting to release for $10K....such a deal huh? In reality
I would guess that in order to sell Cirrus a prop, Hartzell and other vendors
have signed a contract to hold harmlesss and indemnify Cirrus in the event
of a law suit, the first order of business for the lawyers is to read the contracts
Cirus has with all vendors for the aircraft and they will name EVERYONE
on that contract, it pools together all those million dollar plus policies
into a total coverage amount of many many millions of dollars....THAT is deep
pockets...when you know the defendent has much more coverage than the suit could
ever command in a jury descision...hence it usually settles before it makes
it to trial. As long as the suit does not appear frivilous, the lawyers know
that in order to save the cost of going to trial the defense will normally settle....Who
can blame them? look at the descisions juries have handed down on the
companies that stand by their right to trial?
Watch that hot cup of coffee... Or make sure that seatbelt is not wrapped to your
control stick when you take off, cause 4 minutes for the fire department to
put out your flaming airplane and pull your stalled butt out is way too long
of a response time!!
do not archive and this message is just an opinion, any resemblence to actual events
is purely coincidence.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: Air Conditioning Kit Complete and Posted |
How much WEIGHT does this all add.............and what does it do tho th
e C.G.?
Dean
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| Subject: | Re: Air Conditioning Kit Complete and Posted |
The total kit adds 46.5 lbs. 14 lb is at the engine front and the 30 lb is 2"
behind the rear bulkhead and the rest is in between with the hose. This should
help with the weight forward condition of the 10, but as to how much cg movment,
I do not wish to make a statement that I can't support with proper calculation.
I will leave that up to one of you guys with the proper formula.
John Strain
Flightline AC, Inc.
cell #541-815-8935
"ddddsp1@juno.com" <ddddsp1@juno.com> wrote:
How much WEIGHT does this all add.............and what does it do tho the C.G.?
Dean
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| Subject: | Re: Air Conditioning Kit Complete and Posted |
John,
NO RV10's are flying yet with this system to get CG change data from? A
t a minimum it will reduce your baggage weight to 50lbs with 4 passenger
s. Rough guess the CG should move only marginally. That 46.5 lbs inclu
des the overhead vents and all ducting?
Thanks,
DEAN
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<html><P>John,</P>
<P>NO RV10's are flying yet with this system to get CG change data from?
At a minimum it will reduce your baggage weight to 50lbs with 4 p
assengers. Rough guess the CG should move only marginally. T
hat 46.5 lbs includes the overhead vents and all ducting?</P>
<P>Thanks,</P>
<P>DEAN</P>
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| Subject: | Re: So let's just sue everybody |
I guess the key is "if you find yourself in this sort of situation:".
Without knowing how big the playing field is to begin with, plus they may
not have known what the supposed turning radius was at that speed (I don't
know what it is for our -10s), add another full second before you start to
react, plus the pucker factor and it becomes more believable something like
this could happen to anyone. I've lost friends who were extra-gifted in the
business of flying. It makes you think bit and try to stay on the
conservative side.
Another maneuver I was taught, which I don't remember if it has a name
(perhaps Joe Zac can help me out), that's used by the heavies to make a
quick 180 when you're surprised by a mountain side ahead: bank 30deg to the
appropriate side, pull and maintain 3 G's, when you have bled off most of
your airspeed you should be pointing in the opposite direction, level the
wings. I don't think throttle setting is a factor. The idea is similar to
that described in the 152 below but you also slant the turning plane to
reduce the effective bird-eye view of the turning radius.
Anh
N591VU
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 10:08 AM
Subject: RV10-List: So let's just sue everybody
>
>
> <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>
> Ditto on "kill all the lawyers"
>
> Couple things.
> 1. You can't cure stupidity.
>
> 2. I have a friend who loaned me an accident evaluation of the Cirrus
> crash. He was killed by physics... not aileron failure. It came down to
> turn radius and speed. The corridor that he was attempting to turn in was
> very narrow. If I remember correctly, only about a mile wide. He was
> also turning downwind which lengthened his ground track turn radius. When
> they calculated the amount of airspace that it took to execute a 180
> degree turn it exceeded the real estate that he had. So, he was killed by
> physics. There is a good explanation of speed vs turn radius in "Stick
> and Rudder." Only there they are talking about why one crashes into the
> ground while strafing the girlfriends house. Basically, at high speed it
> takes four times the radius to turn.
> One of the recommendations was that if you find yourself in this sort of
> situation: _slow down._
> Pull the throttle and drop the flaps if you can. After I read the write
> up on the accident, I went out and tried it in my 152. A coordinated turn
> with full flaps can be surprisingly tight. Tuck that information away the
> next time you find yourself in a canyon with limited airspace.
> Dr. Fred
> 40515
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Air Conditioning Kit Complete and Posted |
The URL doesn't work for me. At a glance how does this system compare to t
hat of http://www.airflow-systems.com/ that I know at least Alex's -10 in T
X is flying with?
Anh
N591VU
----- Original Message -----
From: John N. Strain II
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Air Conditioning Kit Complete and Posted
DJ and 10 gang,
Sorry it took so long to get back to you. I have posted the new pricing
on the website.
Keep in mind that if you have your own LW10184 ring gear and/or an overhe
ad air deliver panel, that we credit those component prices back to you if
we do not supply. I am including the page url so that you do not have to g
o searching http://flightlineac.com/vans_aircraft_kits . If you have any
questions feel free to call and we can get you more info or get your kit co
ming.
John Strain - president
Flightline AC, Inc.
541-330-5466
cell 541-815-8935
> wrote:
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