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1. 04:14 AM - Re: ShowPlanes Flaps (Deems Davis)
2. 05:33 AM - Re: ShowPlanes Flaps (Jesse Saint)
3. 07:15 AM - Re: ShowPlanes Flaps (Ben Westfall)
4. 07:17 AM - Re: ShowPlanes Flaps (Dave Lammers)
5. 08:17 AM - Re: ShowPlanes Flaps (Tim Olson)
6. 08:22 AM - Re: ShowPlanes Flaps (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
7. 08:42 AM - Re: ShowPlanes Flaps (Dave Lammers)
8. 08:45 AM - Re: ShowPlanes Flaps (Bobby J. Hughes)
9. 09:32 AM - Sun & Fun Logistics (Bill DeRouchey)
10. 09:45 AM - Re: ShowPlanes Flaps (John W. Cox)
11. 09:52 AM - Re: ShowPlanes Flaps (John W. Cox)
12. 10:29 AM - Re: Sun & Fun Logistics (Jesse Saint)
13. 10:51 AM - Re: Sun & Fun Logistics (Matt Reeves)
14. 12:26 PM - Re: Sun & Fun Logistics (Dj Merrill)
15. 02:07 PM - Re: PIPREP at 34 Hours (Tim Lewis)
16. 02:19 PM - Dynon EFIS and AoA Installation (Patrick Pulis)
17. 02:50 PM - Sun and Fun Logistics (Fred Williams, M.D.)
18. 03:09 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS and AoA Installation (Jesse Saint)
19. 03:41 PM - Headroom in the RV-10 (Ted French)
20. 03:50 PM - Re: Headroom in the RV-10 (Randy DeBauw)
21. 03:50 PM - Aircraft Extras FPS plus (Chris Johnston)
22. 04:17 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS and AoA Installation (Patrick Pulis)
23. 05:24 PM - Re: Headroom in the RV-10 (John W. Cox)
24. 05:43 PM - Re: Headroom in the RV-10 (Tim Olson)
25. 05:48 PM - Re: Re: Is Chelton EFIS superior to G1000 and Avidyne? (Jack Sargeant)
26. 05:55 PM - Re: Infinity leather (Larry Rosen)
27. 07:07 PM - Re: Re: Is Chelton EFIS superior to G1000 and Avidyne? (Jim Beyer)
28. 07:15 PM - Re: Re: Is Chelton EFIS superior to G1000 and Avidyne? (Jim Beyer)
29. 10:53 PM - Sun & Fun (Paul Grimstad)
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| Subject: | Re: ShowPlanes Flaps |
Rob here's a couple of pics.
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2040%20Flap%20system/slides/DSC03045.html
and
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2040%20Flap%20system/slides/DSC03047.html
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Rob Wright wrote:
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> Im looking for pics and ideas on how folks have mounted the control
> box for the one-touch flap positioning system.
>
> Rob Wright
>
> Fuse
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| Subject: | ShowPlanes Flaps |
Deems,
We did ours the same way on one and I think that's the best place. On one
we cut the wires and extended them and mounted the box on one of the gear
leg supports under the front seat. This was a pain and not worth it.
One thing I noticed on yours is the loop of wire going into the back of the
controller box is pretty close to the nut on the flap tube. Make sure you
have plenty of clearance so that bolt doesn't catch the wire when it turns.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ShowPlanes Flaps
Rob here's a couple of pics.
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2040%20Flap%20system/slides/DSC03045.html
and
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2040%20Flap%20system/slides/DSC03047.html
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Rob Wright wrote:
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> I'm looking for pics and ideas on how folks have mounted the control
> box for the one-touch flap positioning system.
>
> Rob Wright
>
> Fuse
>
> #392
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| Subject: | ShowPlanes Flaps |
Deems,
I noticed on most of your pictures you use a lot of the zip ties with the
stick on deals to secure them. Do you know how long those are supposed to
stay attached? Are they an aviation product or a home depot thing? They
seem so convenient but I just wonder if they will come loose over time?
Obviously in the tunnel in these pictures they are accessible. Are you
using them in other areas w/o access too? Don't take this the wrong way I
am just asking out of my ignorance. I haven't learned much about wiring and
proper installation yet.
What do others think?
Thanks,
-Ben Westfall
#40579 bottom skins
PDX
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ShowPlanes Flaps
Rob here's a couple of pics.
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2040%20Flap%20system/slides/DSC03045.html
and
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2040%20Flap%20system/slides/DSC03047.html
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Rob Wright wrote:
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> I'm looking for pics and ideas on how folks have mounted the control
> box for the one-touch flap positioning system.
>
> Rob Wright
>
> Fuse
>
> #392
>
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| Subject: | Re: ShowPlanes Flaps |
Rob,
Inside the tunnel, on the left side tunnel sidewall, adjacent to the
actuator. Pix attached. Plenty of room there, and the wire runs are
short. Requires quite a bundle of wires going back to the switch. I
color coded them, twisted and routed them under the flap torque tube
cover and up the sidewall to the switch and used a molex connector as a
maintenance break (in case any components need to be replaced).
Dave Lammers
Wings
Rob Wright wrote:
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> box for the one-touch flap positioning system.
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| Subject: | Re: ShowPlanes Flaps |
I have found mixed results. On perfectly smooth and clean surfaces,
they seem to stick great and will probably last forever. On anything
rough at all, they'll probably fall off in short order. Many of
them that are holding heavier bundles, or are near critical moving
parts on mine are now done with an added step.... either using
a version with a screw hole in the center and screwed to the airframe,
or glued on with a gob of E6000. The ones on smooth and clean
metal though are just stuck on.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Ben Westfall wrote:
>
> Deems,
>
> I noticed on most of your pictures you use a lot of the zip ties with the
> stick on deals to secure them. Do you know how long those are supposed to
> stay attached? Are they an aviation product or a home depot thing? They
> seem so convenient but I just wonder if they will come loose over time?
>
> Obviously in the tunnel in these pictures they are accessible. Are you
> using them in other areas w/o access too? Don't take this the wrong way I
> am just asking out of my ignorance. I haven't learned much about wiring and
> proper installation yet.
>
> What do others think?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Ben Westfall
> #40579 bottom skins
> PDX
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| Subject: | ShowPlanes Flaps |
Dan Checkoway also reports using these and after a few months/year, they
fall off, dry up whatever, so what I have done is to use the plates, and
use a blob of RTV to seal them to the plane. So far no issues, but only
time will tell.
You can buy them at multiple places, and I got mine from Stein. RTV was
purchased at the local auto store.
Dan
N289DT
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:15 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: ShowPlanes Flaps
Deems,
I noticed on most of your pictures you use a lot of the zip ties with
the
stick on deals to secure them. Do you know how long those are supposed
to
stay attached? Are they an aviation product or a home depot thing?
They
seem so convenient but I just wonder if they will come loose over time?
Obviously in the tunnel in these pictures they are accessible. Are you
using them in other areas w/o access too? Don't take this the wrong way
I
am just asking out of my ignorance. I haven't learned much about wiring
and
proper installation yet.
What do others think?
Thanks,
-Ben Westfall
#40579 bottom skins
PDX
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ShowPlanes Flaps
Rob here's a couple of pics.
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2040%20Flap%20system/slides/DSC03045.html
and
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2040%20Flap%20system/slides/DSC03047.html
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Rob Wright wrote:
>
> I'm looking for pics and ideas on how folks have mounted the control
> box for the one-touch flap positioning system.
>
> Rob Wright
>
> Fuse
>
> #392
>
> *======================
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: ShowPlanes Flaps |
I used these stick-on types on my RV6 which first flew in 2000. Over
these years and 700 hours, about one-third of them have loosened or come
off completely.
Because of this experience, I am NOT using any in my RV-10, but using
the ones with the holes in them and screwing or riveting them on.
For sure, no matter how well you clean and glue them on, do not use the
stick on kind in applications where, in the event of them coming loose,
the wire bundle could interfere with critical control movement.
Dave Lammers
Pitts-flying
RV6- flying
RV10-wings
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
>
>Dan Checkoway also reports using these and after a few months/year, they
>fall off, dry up whatever, so what I have done is to use the plates, and
>use a blob of RTV to seal them to the plane. So far no issues, but only
>time will tell.
>You can buy them at multiple places, and I got mine from Stein. RTV was
>purchased at the local auto store.
>Dan
>N289DT
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
>Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:15 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: ShowPlanes Flaps
>
>
>Deems,
>
>I noticed on most of your pictures you use a lot of the zip ties with
>the
>stick on deals to secure them. Do you know how long those are supposed
>to
>stay attached? Are they an aviation product or a home depot thing?
>They
>seem so convenient but I just wonder if they will come loose over time?
>
>Obviously in the tunnel in these pictures they are accessible. Are you
>using them in other areas w/o access too? Don't take this the wrong way
>I
>am just asking out of my ignorance. I haven't learned much about wiring
>and
>proper installation yet.
>
>What do others think?
>
>Thanks,
>
>-Ben Westfall
>#40579 bottom skins
>PDX
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
>Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 4:14 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: ShowPlanes Flaps
>
>
>Rob here's a couple of pics.
>
>http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2040%20Flap%20system/slides/DSC03045.html
>
>and
>
>http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2040%20Flap%20system/slides/DSC03047.html
>
>Deems Davis # 406
>Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
>http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>Rob Wright wrote:
>
>
>>I'm looking for pics and ideas on how folks have mounted the control
>>box for the one-touch flap positioning system.
>>
>>Rob Wright
>>
>>Fuse
>>
>>#392
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| Subject: | ShowPlanes Flaps |
I keep a jar of these things soaking in acetone until needed. The
acetone allow you to remove the sticky pad. Rough up the back and apply
with Shoe-Goo from the local sporting good store on a clean surface.
Install a temporary zip tie while the Goo is drying to keep it our of
the holes. Allow 24 hours to dry.
Bobby
40116
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel
R.
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: ShowPlanes Flaps
--> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Dan Checkoway also reports using these and after a few months/year, they
fall off, dry up whatever, so what I have done is to use the plates, and
use a blob of RTV to seal them to the plane. So far no issues, but only
time will tell.
You can buy them at multiple places, and I got mine from Stein. RTV was
purchased at the local auto store.
Dan
N289DT
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:15 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: ShowPlanes Flaps
Deems,
I noticed on most of your pictures you use a lot of the zip ties with
the stick on deals to secure them. Do you know how long those are
supposed to stay attached? Are they an aviation product or a home depot
thing?
They
seem so convenient but I just wonder if they will come loose over time?
Obviously in the tunnel in these pictures they are accessible. Are you
using them in other areas w/o access too? Don't take this the wrong way
I am just asking out of my ignorance. I haven't learned much about
wiring and proper installation yet.
What do others think?
Thanks,
-Ben Westfall
#40579 bottom skins
PDX
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ShowPlanes Flaps
Rob here's a couple of pics.
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2040%20Flap%20system/slides/DSC03045.html
and
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2040%20Flap%20system/slides/DSC03047.html
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Rob Wright wrote:
>
> I'm looking for pics and ideas on how folks have mounted the control
> box for the one-touch flap positioning system.
>
> Rob Wright
>
> Fuse
>
> #392
>
> *======================
>
> *
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| Subject: | Sun & Fun Logistics |
I am planning on flying from Watsonville, CA to Lakeland and could use some advice.
Can anyone recommend a good stop-over around the Lubbock-Midland Texas area?
What accomodiations are typically made for lodging at the event? Camping or car/motel
route?
Thanks,
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
bill@wtdaviationtechnology.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | ShowPlanes Flaps |
Ben, we are using Click Bond fasteners with great results at adhesion.
A clean and abraded surface is a logical process. I will get you a
couple of samples from work and bring them to the NW RV-10 dinner in
May.
I will also bring a demo of 3M DP-100 two part catalytic adhesive which
is superior to any product yet mentioned. Unfortunately with a quality
build, it requires a 3M gun, plunger and nozzles.
Dan has documented well the difficulties of long term adhesion bonding
with these common sticky back standoffs and his wire runs. The other
issue is lower quality fasteners and electric tie will indeed harden and
snap from vibration in short order. A prudent builder will have a plan
for long term service down the road. Otherwise chafing of wire bundles
will create their telltale mark on both the aluminum and on the wire
bundle. Pulling replacement wire is not worth the discussion when this
natural occurrence takes it's toll. Plan accordingly for longevity and
ease of service. Tim has a pdf file on wire found in old airplanes that
I sent the RV-10 University.
John Cox
#40600
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 7:15 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: ShowPlanes Flaps
Deems,
I noticed on most of your pictures you use a lot of the zip ties with
the
stick on deals to secure them. Do you know how long those are supposed
to
stay attached? Are they an aviation product or a home depot thing?
They
seem so convenient but I just wonder if they will come loose over time?
Obviously in the tunnel in these pictures they are accessible. Are you
using them in other areas w/o access too? Don't take this the wrong way
I
am just asking out of my ignorance. I haven't learned much about wiring
and
proper installation yet.
What do others think?
Thanks,
-Ben Westfall
#40579 bottom skins
PDX
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ShowPlanes Flaps
Rob here's a couple of pics.
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2040%20Flap%20system/slides/DSC03045.html
and
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2040%20Flap%20system/slides/DSC03047.html
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Rob Wright wrote:
>
> I'm looking for pics and ideas on how folks have mounted the control
> box for the one-touch flap positioning system.
>
> Rob Wright
>
> Fuse
>
> #392
>
> *======================
>
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| Subject: | ShowPlanes Flaps |
Sorry I forgot to attach the link. http://www.clickbond.com/index.php
John Cox
#40600
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 7:15 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: ShowPlanes Flaps
What do others think?
Thanks,
-Ben Westfall
#40579 bottom skins
PDX
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| Subject: | Sun & Fun Logistics |
I can't make much of a recommendation for fuel in TX, but it would be a good
idea to tank up in FL before you get to Lakeland. X35 is the perfect place
and cheap self-serve fuel.
I don't know much about the arrangements there. They do have camping just
like Oshkosh, which would be a better option, if you are that type of
person, than a hotel, because traffic can be a pain in the neck in the
mornings and afternoons. They have camping in airplane parking or you can
park just in the parking area and go to the campground.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill DeRouchey
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 12:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Sun & Fun Logistics
I am planning on flying from Watsonville, CA to Lakeland and could use some
advice.
Can anyone recommend a good stop-over around the Lubbock-Midland Texas area?
What accomodiations are typically made for lodging at the event? Camping or
car/motel route?
Thanks,
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
bill@wtdaviationtechnology.com
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| Subject: | Re: Sun & Fun Logistics |
We fly down and rent a car and stay at the Marriott in Orlando, wish we could get
into Tampa, much closer, but Lakeland is always full. Never camped but it
would be FUN but if you're there a whole week, you might want a rental. I know
you can rent cars right at the Lakeland airport. Then again, we rented a car
to go and do other stuff during the week, and we did go to NASA and saw the
launching pad, etc - OKAY but MUCH MUCH better at the air show and would not do
that again. We'd be happy just setting up a chair and watching every plane
fly for a whole week!
Not sure about places to stop but you are going to have THE BEST time EVER!!!!!
SUN N FUN is the first big show of the season in warm weather and it's SO
MUCH FUN!!
Matt, Ben, Danny, Mikhail, Jesse, Reeves
Mostly all around good guys.
Sun N Fun - 6 years
Oshkosh - 16 years
LIVE FOR IT.
Bill DeRouchey <billderou@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am planning on flying from Watsonville, CA to Lakeland and could use some
advice.
Can anyone recommend a good stop-over around the Lubbock-Midland Texas area?
What accomodiations are typically made for lodging at the event? Camping or car/motel
route?
Thanks,
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
bill@wtdaviationtechnology.com
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| Subject: | Re: Sun & Fun Logistics |
Matt Reeves wrote:
>
> Not sure about places to stop but you are going to have THE BEST time
> EVER!!!!! SUN N FUN is the first big show of the season in warm
> weather and it's SO MUCH FUN!!
As long as the rental car doesn't get burned up in the parking
lot... *grin*
Fortunately I wasn't parked anywhere near that car last year.
-Dj
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| Subject: | Re: PIPREP at 34 Hours |
A bit more info on the sheared screw issue. The following came from
TruTrak. It seems like a reasonable compromise to me.
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Shear Screws
From: John Wyatt <john@trutrakap.com>
Tim,
The shear screw is designed so that it should not shear until a static
torque of about75 in-lbs is applied to the servo. The servos that the
RV-10 uses should only be capable of outputting 35-40 in-lbs of torque.
The reason that the screw likely failed is because an impulse was likely
applied to the system. This could have been the result of an aggressive
maneuver.
The easy solution to this situation is to not hand fly the aircraft with
the autopilot engaged unless an emergency is present. All of our
autopilots have control wheel steering so that a push button can be
mounted on the stick to disengage the entire autopilot without the need
to move a hand from the stick to disengage the system.
The shear screw is in place to provide protection should one of the
servos lock the flight controls. If the amount of force required to
override the shear screw was too great, the result would be one less
layer of protection in place should the servo lock completely.
Again, the best practice is to not attempt to hand fly the airplane
while the autopilot is engaged.
If you have any further questions please feel free to contact me.
Thanks,
Zach
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 850 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
Tim Lewis wrote:
>
> I suspect this (pilot override leads to sheared servo screws) is not
> how the system is supposed to operate. According to TruTrak's
> Digiflight II operator's manual:
>
> "... use the encoder knob to select the desired value of roll servo
> torque. This value should be between 7 and 12. ... The value chosen
> should be sufficient to fly the aircraft, but not so much that it is
> difficult to override the autopilot if necessary."
> According to TruTrak's FAQ:
>
> "What if a servo jams? The chances of a servo jamming are very slim,
> however if a servo did happen to jam, there are shear screws on every
> servo that allow a breakaway of the servo arm."
>
> It appears that the servo torque is intended to be adjusted so that
> the pilot can override the servo (without shearing the screws). If
> the TruTrak is really designed to shear screws (hence disabling the
> system) if the pilot tries to override the servo, I don't think I'd
> care to buy a TruTrak autopilot. Even my elderly Navaid responds more
> gracefully than that.
>
> Tim
>
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| Subject: | Dynon EFIS and AoA Installation |
Could anyone please tell me of their experiences (or thoughts) regarding
the Dynon EFIS and Engine Management instruments and allied accessories,
or if anyone has installed the Dynon Pitot/angle of attack probe (or
plans to) on their aircraft, as I am in the throws of comparing the
Dynon with the GRT.
I thank you in anticipation for your feedback.
Regards
> PATRICK PULIS
>
#40299
> Adelaide, South Australia
>
>
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| Subject: | Sun and Fun Logistics |
Bill;
I have a son who goes to Texas Tech and have flown out once to KLBB.
Lubbock International. Left my plane there with the nice folks at
Lubbock Aero. Looks like they have courtesy cars. Nice facility.
I'd recommend stopping there.
Not much else there in the way of smaller airports.
Fred Williams
Paris, TX.
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| Subject: | Dynon EFIS and AoA Installation |
I really like the Dynon in all ways. It is easy to use and very stable. For the
price, it is the best deal out there IMHO. Havent used the pitot yet, but
am about to order the heated version for a customer. It has no moving map, although
it does now display GPS info if you hook it up. I really like the D180
because the internal battery runs both the EFIS & EMS functions. Not as much
need for a backup electrical system when you have the internal battery and a
GPS likle the 396 with a battery also. It really isn't a fair comparison because
the GRT has moving map info, but I stand behind and recommend the Dynon.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
352-427-0285
-----Original Message-----
From: "Patrick Pulis" <patrick.pulis@seagas.com.au>
Sent: 3/8/2007 5:14 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Dynon EFIS and AoA Installation
Could anyone please tell me of their experiences (or thoughts) regarding
the Dynon EFIS and Engine Management instruments and allied accessories,
or if anyone has installed the Dynon Pitot/angle of attack probe (or
plans to) on their aircraft, as I am in the throws of comparing the
Dynon with the GRT.
I thank you in anticipation for your feedback.
Regards
> PATRICK PULIS
>
#40299
> Adelaide, South Australia
>
>
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| Subject: | Headroom in the RV-10 |
Today I taxied my 10 for the first time to do the compass swing. I found the
headroom was almost non-existant. Has this been a problem for anyone else,
and if so, what have you done to correct it. The only thing that comes to
mind is to cut the seat cushion down a bit to sit lower in the seat. That
obviously means less cushioning on the butt which may or may not be an issue
on a long trip.
Apart from that, I must say that the I0-540 with the MT prop is an awsome
combination for smoothness.
Ted French C-FXCS reserved
Taxiing
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| Subject: | Headroom in the RV-10 |
I am 6'1" and I have plenty of headroom. The trick is to lay the seat
back about 2 notches. That gets my head in the head relief. If I have
the seat strait up I hit my head as well. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted French
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 3:38 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Headroom in the RV-10
Today I taxied my 10 for the first time to do the compass swing. I found
the
headroom was almost non-existant. Has this been a problem for anyone
else,
and if so, what have you done to correct it. The only thing that comes
to
mind is to cut the seat cushion down a bit to sit lower in the seat.
That
obviously means less cushioning on the butt which may or may not be an
issue
on a long trip.
Apart from that, I must say that the I0-540 with the MT prop is an
awsome
combination for smoothness.
Ted French C-FXCS reserved
Taxiing
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| Subject: | Aircraft Extras FPS plus |
Hey all -
on the subject of flap positioning units, I was looking at the aircraft
extras FPS plus, and wondered if more experienced pilots could weigh in
for me. From what I understand, this system allows you to set trim
positions for each flap position, so that when you put the flaps down,
the trim automatically goes to where you want it. so far I get this...
but the explanation on the website says that with the system, when you
put the flaps down, the plane just slows down, without the nose pitching
down. now, I realize that I've only flown cessnas and Cherokees, but
when I put the flaps down, the nose wants to come up. Then it goes
down... I think... if the system adds elevator trim (up) when you put
the flaps down, won't you be fighting the stick excessively for a few
seconds? Or am I a chucklehead? You can tell me - I won't be mad :)
The website states that with the system you don't have to fight stick
pressures in landing and takeoff phases of flight due to the automatic
trim compensation. What say you all?
cj
#40410
dangerously close to starting the finish kit...
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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| Subject: | Dynon EFIS and AoA Installation |
Thanks Jesse.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse Saint [mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com]
Sent: Friday, 9 March 2007 9:38 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Dynon EFIS and AoA Installation
I really like the Dynon in all ways. It is easy to use and very stable.
For the price, it is the best deal out there IMHO. Havent used the
pitot yet, but am about to order the heated version for a customer. It
has no moving map, although it does now display GPS info if you hook it
up. I really like the D180 because the internal battery runs both the
EFIS & EMS functions. Not as much need for a backup electrical system
when you have the internal battery and a GPS likle the 396 with a
battery also. It really isn't a fair comparison because the GRT has
moving map info, but I stand behind and recommend the Dynon.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
352-427-0285
-----Original Message-----
From: "Patrick Pulis" <patrick.pulis@seagas.com.au>
Sent: 3/8/2007 5:14 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Dynon EFIS and AoA Installation
Could anyone please tell me of their experiences (or thoughts) regarding
the Dynon EFIS and Engine Management instruments and allied accessories,
or if anyone has installed the Dynon Pitot/angle of attack probe (or
plans to) on their aircraft, as I am in the throws of comparing the
Dynon with the GRT.
I thank you in anticipation for your feedback.
Regards
> PATRICK PULIS
>
#40299
> Adelaide, South Australia
>
>
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| Subject: | Headroom in the RV-10 |
Ted - totally baffled. 6'3" no problem, wearing hat as well and lots of
elbow room to boot.
John Cox
#40600
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted French
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 3:38 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Headroom in the RV-10
Today I taxied my 10 for the first time to do the compass swing. I found
the
headroom was almost non-existant. Has this been a problem for anyone
else,
and if so, what have you done to correct it. The only thing that comes
to
mind is to cut the seat cushion down a bit to sit lower in the seat.
That
obviously means less cushioning on the butt which may or may not be an
issue
on a long trip.
Apart from that, I must say that the I0-540 with the MT prop is an
awsome
combination for smoothness.
Ted French C-FXCS reserved
Taxiing
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| Subject: | Re: Headroom in the RV-10 |
Almost 6'2", but I can see at least a couple of factors that may be in
play:
1) With the rudder pedals mounted in the forward position, if you're
tall torso'd with stubby little gnome legs, you may find yourself
sitting higher because of the angle of the seat rail ramp. So
unless you're REALLY tall, you may actually find it beneficial to
move the rudder pedals back. A strange recommendation, but it would
all depend on your build.
2) I find that when it's Wisconsin cold out, when I first sit down
my headset hits the top easily and it's tight. But, once the
seats warm up (much helped if you eat chili beforehand), you'll
find you sink down a couple of inches.
3) As Randy said, you may want to tilt the seat back a couple notches.
Other than that, I can't possibly see the -10 being too tight for
most heights up to at least 6'2" and probably even 6'4" or maybe
more.
Tim
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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John W. Cox wrote:
>
> Ted - totally baffled. 6'3" no problem, wearing hat as well and lots of
> elbow room to boot.
>
> John Cox
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| Subject: | Re: Is Chelton EFIS superior to G1000 and Avidyne? |
Jim,
When ya coming home? I'm ready for a couple more building sessions on the
RV-10.
Jack & Cecilia Sargeant
1127 Patricia St.
Wichita, KS 67208-2642
316/683-5268
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Beyer
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 1:58 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Is Chelton EFIS superior to G1000 and Avidyne?
Size isn't the only thing...
Short story. Rumor is that when the C-17 was being developed years ago
the engineers asked a crew dogg if he wanted 8", 10" or 12" displays. Of
course he said 12" displays. What the engineer's failed to tell him is that
there was room on the dash for six 10" displays across, but only four 12"
displays -- we got the latter. Nowdays with what we're doing around the
world, it would probably be better to see more diverse information, albeit
slightly smaller. Of course the two HUDs in addition to the MFD's help out
too.
Best,
-Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity leather |
Not leather wrapped grips, but here is a nice detail on leather wrapping
the stick. I think this is one of Jesse's ships. See the attached photo
Jesse Saint wrote:
>
> It would be quite difficult to do this. It would almost have to be
> sewn to the mold and then glued. It would be super-sweet, but it would
> be a ton of work. Also, I dont know how well it would hold up. Even
> in cars these days with leather seats, the steering wheel is usually
> some special material that holds up better to continual rubbing (I
> think which can be dangerous).
>
> Do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>
> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>
> www.saintaviation.com <http://www.saintaviation.com>
>
> Cell: 352-427-0285
>
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Niko
> *Sent:* Monday, March 05, 2007 4:31 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Infinity leather
>
> Okay, now I understand. It would be nice to have the grip wrapped with
> leather. but I suspect it would be a bit challenging.
>
> Niko
>
> 40188
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, March 5, 2007 3:43:03 PM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Infinity leather
>
> I have not seen leather on the grips. I dont think infinity offers
> anything but the black plastic. The leather I was referring to was
> covering the stick from the bottom of the grip to the hole through the
> panel below.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>
> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>
> www.saintaviation.com <http://www.saintaviation.com/>
>
> Cell: 352-427-0285
>
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Niko
> *Sent:* Monday, March 05, 2007 2:47 PM
> *To:* Matronics
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Infinity leather
>
> I am wondering if Infinity is selling the sticks with a leather option
> or if this something the builders a putting on.
>
> Niko
>
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| Subject: | Re: Is Chelton EFIS superior to G1000 and Avidyne? |
It'll be the middle of April or so. Just another short 5-1/2 weeks. I
ordered up the wings, so they should be there when I get back. I have a
bunch of use or loose vacation, so I'm thinking of doing a couple week long
build-a-thon. But then again, maybe the Mrs. has other plans??? Talk to
you soon, -Jim
On 3/9/07, Jack Sargeant <k5wiv@amsat.org> wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> When ya coming home? I'm ready for a couple more building sessions on the
> RV-10.
>
>
> Jack & Cecilia Sargeant
> 1127 Patricia St.
> Wichita, KS 67208-2642
> 316/683-5268
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of *Jim Beyer
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2007 1:58 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: Is Chelton EFIS superior to G1000 and
> Avidyne?
>
> Size isn't the only thing...
>
> Short story. Rumor is that when the C-17 was being developed years ago
> the engineers asked a crew dogg if he wanted 8", 10" or 12" displays. Of
> course he said 12" displays. What the engineer's failed to tell him is that
> there was room on the dash for six 10" displays across, but only four 12"
> displays -- we got the latter. Nowdays with what we're doing around the
> world, it would probably be better to see more diverse information, albeit
> slightly smaller. Of course the two HUDs in addition to the MFD's help out
> too.
>
> Best,
>
> -Jim
>
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Is Chelton EFIS superior to G1000 and Avidyne? |
My apologies for sending the previous to the whole group. It's funny how you
realize the mistake a fraction of a second after hitting the send
button...yet there's nothing I could do about it. Maybe it's a thing us
guys named James do ... didn't McClow do that a bunch of times? -Jim
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Sun & Fun anyone?
Lisa and I will be there on the 17th & 18th and would love to meet some
other RV builders.
We are wondering who else may be planning to show up, and what others
think of an informal meeting time or place.
Bill is flying from California and we are wondering who else is planning
to fly in with an RV10.
Cheers all, Looking forward to the Fun in the Sun.
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450 fuselage
Portland, OR 97219
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