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1. 09:11 AM - Re: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on Tailcone w/ epoxy (Paul Grimstad)
2. 12:33 PM - Re: Sun & Fun Logistics (linn Walters)
3. 01:24 PM - Re: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on Tailcone w/ e (zackrv8)
4. 03:54 PM - Re: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on Tailcone w/ epoxy (John Gonzalez)
5. 04:26 PM - Re: Re: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on Tailcone w/ e (John Jessen)
6. 05:41 PM - Re: Re: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on Tailcone w/ e (Chris Johnston)
7. 05:52 PM - Re: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on Tailcone w/ epoxy (John W. Cox)
8. 06:39 PM - Re: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on Tailcone w/ epoxy (Rob Wright)
9. 06:41 PM - Re: Re: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on Tailcone w/ e (Rob Wright)
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| Subject: | Re: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on Tailcone |
w/ epoxy
How would epoxy work for these vs. rivets?
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portland, Or.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 6:18 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on
Tailcone
It depends on how far back you put them. If you put them a little
forward of the rear of the hole, you can still get them in. I don't
know that they help any on drag, but they look good. You want to have
the tube that is on the cable sticking out far enough so the cable
doesn't touch metal when it moves (there was a plane at OSH this year
that has a good groove cut in the skin from the cable rubbing). It is
better to install it with nutplates for a good tight fit, but if you
rivet it you can fill around it and the edge will disappear. Just leave
it far enough forward that you can get the cable through, is my
suggestion. Again, it is for looks more than anything, IMHO.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob.kaufmann
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:45 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on
Tailcone
The rudder cables will not go through with them riveted on. Don't ask
me how I know.
Bob K
Fiberglass and panel
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Reining
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 5:17 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on
Tailcone
Do we need to wait to attach these fairings until after the rudder
cable is inserted? I don't know how large the end of the cable is. I'd
just as soon rivet the fairings on now, before we attach the skins.
Reading the archives, I see where some folks have installed nut plates -
that would obviously avoid the issue. But still, why not just rivet
them on now, if the cable will pass through later? Any advice would be
appreciated. Thanks.
Bill (and Jon) Reining
40514 tailcone
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| Subject: | Re: Sun & Fun Logistics |
Thanks Patrick ..... I didn't see that exact area when I took some
handicapped folks to their car, so defer to your on-the-spot analysis.
You are right, though, this year they did something different!!! I took
my trailer over on Fri to put it on-site and ....... they did a
controlled burn on that parking lot!!!! Right now there isn't a speck
of green anywhere ..... brown where it didn't burn and black where it did.
Linn
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GRANSCOTT@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 3/9/07 8:51:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net writes:
>
> I don't need to stand up for Sun-n-Fun, but if the grass hadn't
> been mowed, there wouldn't have been a problem. The problem was
> that they mowed really tall grass just before the fly-in and there
> was a parking lot full of high 'straw' that burned rather
> rapidly. Green grass wouldn't have spread so fast. It sure was a
> mess, though, and I really feel sorry for all those folks that
> didn't have a ride home. I heard that people had a real hard time
> figuring out which car was theirs ...... burned out cars seem to
> look the same, no matter who made it!
> Linn
>
> Linn, not to take up too much space...there was very high dry grass in
> that area...Lakeland was very dry last year and while they did cut the
> area they cut it high, thus they had about the worst situation one can
> have...high cut dry grass with a layer of cut grass on top of that.
>
> The car where the fire started was a low riding car, Masarati. He was
> just behind me when we came in, I noted it because it was just like a
> buddy of mine back in IL many years ago. As they do at SnF, the cars
> were single file then divided into double rows thus when we divided we
> were sent into different parking rows...when he got out of the car I
> took a look back to see if it was my old buddy from IL. It was not
> but I noted that the grass by the front of the car was up in his wheel
> wells and down the sides about half way up the doors. An alarm should
> have gone off at the time in my head but it did not as I wanted to get
> to the booths and coffee and it wasn't my buddy from IL! The SnF
> folks cut the middle of the rows pretty well, but the area by the
> dividers was very poorly groomed. Bet it's better this year!
>
> Patrick
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on Tailcone |
w/ e
Paul,
3M 2216 Epoxy works great on items like the rudder cable fairings and the NACA
vents. I have epoxied the NACA vents and rudder cable fairings on my RV8.
No problems after 1000 hours and 7 years of operation!
Zack
[quote="bldgrv10450(at)comcast.ne"]How would epoxy work for these vs. rivets?
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portland, Or.
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| Subject: | Re: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on Tailcone |
w/ epoxy
Hi Paul,
Epoxy would work great, but I would take notice to what the othes are
saying. I just installed my rudder cables yesterday and there would be no
way to put the cables with their proective housing through the slot in the
tailcone skin if the fairing where already on. With that said, in the
unlikely or unfortunate event that the cables ever need to be replaced, how
will you get them out or put new ones in without taking the fairing off and
in the case of a well bonged fairing, possibly taking part of the fuselage
skin off with it.
I was going to bond mine, but not after what i learned yesterday.
Like Jesse said, the protective tube in itself is a pretty good fairing
already.
JOhn G. #409
>From: "Paul Grimstad" <bldgrv10450@comcast.net>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on
>Tailcone w/ epoxy
>Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:04:43 -0800
>
>
>How would epoxy work for these vs. rivets?
>
>Paul Grimstad
>RV10 40450
>Portland, Or.
>
>do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jesse Saint
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 6:18 PM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on
>Tailcone
>
>
> It depends on how far back you put them. If you put them a little
>forward of the rear of the hole, you can still get them in. I don't know
>that they help any on drag, but they look good. You want to have the tube
>that is on the cable sticking out far enough so the cable doesn't touch
>metal when it moves (there was a plane at OSH this year that has a good
>groove cut in the skin from the cable rubbing). It is better to install it
>with nutplates for a good tight fit, but if you rivet it you can fill
>around it and the edge will disappear. Just leave it far enough forward
>that you can get the cable through, is my suggestion. Again, it is for
>looks more than anything, IMHO.
>
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>
> jesse@saintaviation.com
>
> www.saintaviation.com
>
> Cell: 352-427-0285
>
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>
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> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob.kaufmann
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:45 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on
>Tailcone
>
>
> The rudder cables will not go through with them riveted on. Don't ask
>me how I know.
>
>
> Bob K
>
> Fiberglass and panel
>
>
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>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Reining
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 5:17 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on
>Tailcone
>
>
> Do we need to wait to attach these fairings until after the rudder cable
>is inserted? I don't know how large the end of the cable is. I'd just as
>soon rivet the fairings on now, before we attach the skins. Reading the
>archives, I see where some folks have installed nut plates - that would
>obviously avoid the issue. But still, why not just rivet them on now, if
>the cable will pass through later? Any advice would be appreciated.
>Thanks.
>
> Bill (and Jon) Reining
>
> 40514 tailcone
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on Tailcone |
w/ e
What type of epoxy?
John Jessen
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of zackrv8
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 1:24 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on
Tailcone w/ e
Paul,
3M 2216 Epoxy works great on items like the rudder cable fairings and the
NACA vents. I have epoxied the NACA vents and rudder cable fairings on my
RV8. No problems after 1000 hours and 7 years of operation!
Zack
[quote="bldgrv10450(at)comcast.ne"]How would epoxy work for these vs.
rivets?
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portland, Or.
do not archive
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RV10 # 40512
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| Subject: | Re: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on Tailcone |
w/ e
On mine I made all of the rudder cable fairings removable (#6 nutplates)
just so I could always get the cables out if needed for service. It was
a little extra work, but I'm happy I did it. I did the fuselage ones
here:
http://www.perfectlygoodairplane.net/Perfectlygoodairplane/Tailcone%208.
html
and I did the ones in the tunnel area here:
http://www.perfectlygoodairplane.net/Perfectlygoodairplane/Control%20sti
ck.html
there's no closeup picture for the one on the tunnel, but you can see it
in some of the pics. I'm happy I did both this way, because you can
actually have the fairing a little more forward (for the tunnel) or
rearward (for the tailcone) over the hole and have the cable guide end
flush with the end of the fairing, and it kind of captures the cable
guide between the skin and the fairing. It works pretty well, and I'm
happy with how it looks. Also, in the unlikely event that you had to
pull it off, it's a snap.
cj
#40410
stuck at work today - no airplaning :(
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:26 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation
on Tailcone w/ e
What type of epoxy?
John Jessen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of zackrv8
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 1:24 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on
Tailcone w/ e
Paul,
3M 2216 Epoxy works great on items like the rudder cable fairings and
the
NACA vents. I have epoxied the NACA vents and rudder cable fairings on
my
RV8. No problems after 1000 hours and 7 years of operation!
Zack
[quote="bldgrv10450(at)comcast.ne"]How would epoxy work for these vs.
rivets?
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portland, Or.
do not archive
> ---
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RV10 # 40512
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| Subject: | Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on Tailcone |
w/ epoxy
The replacement method is Swagging. Just like the method to install the
end piece in the first place. High Pressure crimping of the uninstalled
end piece on to a properly cut flexible cable. Scissor/Rock/Paper,
stainless steel flexible cables always win over chaffing aluminum parts.
However, Kudo's to John for thinking and articulating future servicing
needs during the build process. You would be amazed how many gloss over
this fine point.
John Cox
#40600
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on
Tailcone w/ epoxy
<indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Hi Paul,
Epoxy would work great, but I would take notice to what the othes are
saying. I just installed my rudder cables yesterday and there would be
no
way to put the cables with their proective housing through the slot in
the
tailcone skin if the fairing where already on. With that said, in the
unlikely or unfortunate event that the cables ever need to be replaced,
how
will you get them out or put new ones in without taking the fairing off
and
in the case of a well bonged fairing, possibly taking part of the
fuselage
skin off with it.
I was going to bond mine, but not after what i learned yesterday.
Like Jesse said, the protective tube in itself is a pretty good fairing
already.
JOhn G. #409
>From: "Paul Grimstad" <bldgrv10450@comcast.net>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on
>Tailcone w/ epoxy
>Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:04:43 -0800
>
>
>How would epoxy work for these vs. rivets?
>
>Paul Grimstad
>RV10 40450
>Portland, Or.
>
>do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jesse Saint
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 6:18 PM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation
on
>Tailcone
>
>
> It depends on how far back you put them. If you put them a little
>forward of the rear of the hole, you can still get them in. I don't
know
>that they help any on drag, but they look good. You want to have the
tube
>that is on the cable sticking out far enough so the cable doesn't touch
>metal when it moves (there was a plane at OSH this year that has a good
>groove cut in the skin from the cable rubbing). It is better to
install it
>with nutplates for a good tight fit, but if you rivet it you can fill
>around it and the edge will disappear. Just leave it far enough
forward
>that you can get the cable through, is my suggestion. Again, it is for
>looks more than anything, IMHO.
>
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>
> jesse@saintaviation.com
>
> www.saintaviation.com
>
> Cell: 352-427-0285
>
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>
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>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob.kaufmann
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:45 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation
on
>Tailcone
>
>
> The rudder cables will not go through with them riveted on. Don't
ask
>me how I know.
>
>
> Bob K
>
> Fiberglass and panel
>
>
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>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Reining
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 5:17 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on
>Tailcone
>
>
> Do we need to wait to attach these fairings until after the rudder
cable
>is inserted? I don't know how large the end of the cable is. I'd just
as
>soon rivet the fairings on now, before we attach the skins. Reading
the
>archives, I see where some folks have installed nut plates - that would
>obviously avoid the issue. But still, why not just rivet them on now,
if
>the cable will pass through later? Any advice would be appreciated.
>Thanks.
>
> Bill (and Jon) Reining
>
> 40514 tailcone
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on Tailcone |
w/ epoxy
Bill,
I had the same thought when I did the tailcone. I'm glad I waited- here's
what I did:
Once you're to the point of the cable fitting step in the Fuse plans, get
your cable fairings out and insert the cable through the opening. Hold the
fairing against the skin and slide it back and forth until you can just take
the cable end through the hole with only a slight effort. Mark the fairing
at that position, trim as desired, then rivet on with dimples/flush rivets.
The cable sheath will be captured by an Adel clamp inside the tailcone so
the sheath won't move. When I attached the adel clamp I pushed just a
slight amount of sheath through the opening so that the cable would have
less of a tendency to rub/cut a groove.
On the cabin inside I used nutplates and made the fairings removeable. When
I install the inside ends I'll capture the sheath under the fairing itself
to hold it in place.
I'm lazy lately on pics, don't have any of this right now.
Rob Wright
#392
Fuse - skipping to Wheel Pants while still jacked up!
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Grimstad
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on
Tailcone w/ epoxy
How would epoxy work for these vs. rivets?
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portland, Or.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com> Saint
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 6:18 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on
Tailcone
It depends on how far back you put them. If you put them a little forward
of the rear of the hole, you can still get them in. I don't know that they
help any on drag, but they look good. You want to have the tube that is on
the cable sticking out far enough so the cable doesn't touch metal when it
moves (there was a plane at OSH this year that has a good groove cut in the
skin from the cable rubbing). It is better to install it with nutplates for
a good tight fit, but if you rivet it you can fill around it and the edge
will disappear. Just leave it far enough forward that you can get the cable
through, is my suggestion. Again, it is for looks more than anything, IMHO.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob.kaufmann
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:45 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on
Tailcone
The rudder cables will not go through with them riveted on. Don't ask me
how I know.
Bob K
Fiberglass and panel
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Reining
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 5:17 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on Tailcone
Do we need to wait to attach these fairings until after the rudder cable is
inserted? I don't know how large the end of the cable is. I'd just as soon
rivet the fairings on now, before we attach the skins. Reading the
archives, I see where some folks have installed nut plates - that would
obviously avoid the issue. But still, why not just rivet them on now, if
the cable will pass through later? Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Bill (and Jon) Reining
40514 tailcone
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| Subject: | Re: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on Tailcone |
w/ e
Oh yeah,
I also applied a little fillet of proseal around the forward end of the
outside fairings since after dimpling they didn't quite sit flush and I
didn't want to work harden them trying to make the fit perfect. Looks nice
and smooth, we'll see how it is after it's painted...
Rob Wright
#392
Fuse
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of zackrv8
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 3:24 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Avery's Rudder Cable Fairings: Installation on
Tailcone w/ e
Paul,
3M 2216 Epoxy works great on items like the rudder cable fairings and the
NACA vents. I have epoxied the NACA vents and rudder cable fairings on my
RV8. No problems after 1000 hours and 7 years of operation!
Zack
[quote="bldgrv10450(at)comcast.ne"]How would epoxy work for these vs.
rivets?
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portland, Or.
do not archive
> ---
--------
RV8 #80125
RV10 # 40512
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