---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/12/07: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:34 AM - Tailcone question (Michael D Chase) 2. 07:47 AM - Re: Tailcone question (GRANSCOTT@aol.com) 3. 07:54 AM - Re: Tailcone question (John Jessen) 4. 09:38 AM - Lycoming's New Web Site (Eric Parlow) 5. 10:02 AM - Professional Build Assist or Build to Order (John W. Cox) 6. 11:00 AM - Re: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order (Tim Olson) 7. 11:04 AM - Re: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order (Pascal) 8. 11:41 AM - Re: Lycoming's New Web Site (GRANSCOTT@aol.com) 9. 12:25 PM - Re: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order (ddddsp1@juno.com) 10. 12:42 PM - Rear window/Access panel? (Jae Chang) 11. 01:16 PM - Re: Rear window/Access panel? (Jesse Saint) 12. 01:18 PM - Re: Rear window/Access panel? (Randy DeBauw) 13. 01:19 PM - Re: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order (Tim Olson) 14. 02:23 PM - Used Cylinders (Mike Lauritsen - Work) 15. 02:41 PM - Re: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order (John W. Cox) 16. 02:48 PM - Re: Used Cylinders (GRANSCOTT@aol.com) 17. 02:59 PM - Re: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order (John W. Cox) 18. 03:03 PM - Re: Used Cylinders (Randy DeBauw) 19. 03:04 PM - Re: Rear window/Access panel? (John W. Cox) 20. 03:06 PM - Re: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order (McGANN, Ron) 21. 03:07 PM - Re: Used Cylinders (Mike Lauritsen - Work) 22. 03:09 PM - Re: Used Cylinders (Mike Lauritsen - Work) 23. 03:12 PM - Re: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order (Mark Ritter) 24. 03:57 PM - Re: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 25. 04:27 PM - Re: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order (JOHN STARN) 26. 04:45 PM - Which certified comes closest to the RV-10? (John Jessen) 27. 05:07 PM - Re: Used Cylinders (Randy DeBauw) 28. 05:17 PM - Re: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10? (john dalmas) 29. 05:50 PM - Re: Used Cylinders (Tim Olson) 30. 06:14 PM - Re: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10? (JOHN STARN) 31. 06:37 PM - Re: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10? (Jesse Saint) 32. 08:18 PM - Re: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10? (David Maib) 33. 08:45 PM - Re: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order (Lloyd, Daniel R.) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:12 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Tailcone question From: Michael D Chase OK so here I am back with questions about the tail cone and that darn F-1032 Longerion? Anyway I think I am past the point of breaking them, but how about alignment with the skin. I see in the instructions that they want me us to line up the edges, did anyone else have an issue or have to work at this? Looking at a bunch of websites I don't see anyone who even talks about this effort. I am trying to figure out if I messed up my bend or if it is just because it was so cold in my shop when I tried to line everything up. I question more then the bend just because my alignment issues were not just limited to near the bend, but also existing forward of the bend with good alignment the first 1-2 feet then 1 foot off then back on just before the bend ect. This may be just the cold contributing to my issues as it was -28F that AM, I am definitely in the market for a small wood stove before next winter:-) thanks for the help Michael Chase General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products 802-657-6029 Office 802-922-5930 Cell mchase@gdatp.com This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is private, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. Any unauthorized review, use, copying, printing, disclosure, retention, or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply to this e-mail, and delete all copies without disclosing this message to others. Thank you. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:14 AM PST US From: GRANSCOTT@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tailcone question In a message dated 3/12/2007 10:36:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MChase@g datp.com writes: I am definitely in the market for a small wood stove before next winter:-) Michael...my friend is using a "waste" oil heater and getting his oil from the local FBO...it's working well for him and legal in this area...no wood to buy, only oil to haul, his shop heater is using about 3 gallons per hour and it's toasty warm! FYI Patrick ps he has a set up that filters the oil by a gravity feed through a filter then on to a second holding barrel, pretty good system. With the oil from the FBO he know's what he's getting, no antifreeze etc just good aviation oil...and the FBO was happy to give it to a local guy rather than the service company. do not archive


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:34 AM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tailcone question Michael, some pictures would help. If you looked at my website, and my discussion of the process, I didn't have alignment problems, but only because I snuck up on the final bend. You also have to be a little careful not to put a twist into it, so when you whack it, you really want the pressure you're putting on it to be in the final bend direction. Anyway, send some pictures of what the alignment problem is. And get some heat! John Jessen #40328 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Chase Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:33 AM Subject: RV10-List: Tailcone question OK so here I am back with questions about the tail cone and that darn F-1032 Longerion? Anyway I think I am past the point of breaking them, but how about alignment with the skin. I see in the instructions that they want me us to line up the edges, did anyone else have an issue or have to work at this? Looking at a bunch of websites I don't see anyone who even talks about this effort. I am trying to figure out if I messed up my bend or if it is just because it was so cold in my shop when I tried to line everything up. I question more then the bend just because my alignment issues were not just limited to near the bend, but also existing forward of the bend with good alignment the first 1-2 feet then 1 foot off then back on just before the bend ect. This may be just the cold contributing to my issues as it was -28F that AM, I am definitely in the market for a small wood stove before next winter:-) thanks for the help Michael Chase General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products 802-657-6029 Office 802-922-5930 Cell mchase@gdatp.com This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is private, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. Any unauthorized review, use, copying, printing, disclosure, retention, or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply to this e-mail, and delete all copies without disclosing this message to others. Thank you. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:38:23 AM PST US From: "Eric Parlow" Subject: RV10-List: Lycoming's New Web Site Check out Lycoming's new web site! http://www.lycoming.com/ ERic-- RV-10, 40014 N104EP ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:54 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order From: "John W. Cox" Let me go on record that ever since (actually before) biblical times, women began providing services to men "outside of marriage" and the word "professional " has been bastardized for the monetary benefit of the few. We now have people claiming "Professional Build". Offering to build or sell you "Professionally Built Aircraft". "Choose which flavor of the month we can offer which will motivate you to pay us money for our services - We will provide you that service - We promise". A profession should be a group of people following a line of conduct as though it was Professional, or a calling requiring Specialized Knowledge and training often long and Intensive Academic Preparation, or engaged in one of the learned professions such a my doctors, lawyer, accountant, structural engineer, architect and real estate broker or better yet "conforming to ethically standards of a profession". I am all for a method to establish who is a professional builder out their. Are You? Do we want a Professional Build Program? Do we quietly look the other way while the working guys and gals claim "professional" and take the money and run. There are few builders who could meet such a definition, Dave Saylor may just be one who by his body of work, ethic and training might establish a benchmark. He is the only voice we have in the sea of manufacturers trying to sell more product and make more dollars for themselves who also serves our interest on the ARC. Builders who ethically manipulate the 51% rule to "Build to Order" are not such Professionals they are prostitutes (IMHO). The result of such work may (I think - Will) lead to statistically adulterated insurance rates for the individual OBAM aircraft which have benefited by the 51% directive. It should come as no surprise with the increased sophistication of our aircraft systems that someone building them (Us RV-10 builders) needed training, academic preparation and some modicum of ethics. Paying for IT, does not make it Professional, it makes it a bastardized product. Before I answer Paul's request for clarification on what I think of the ARC, I thought I would clear the air before wasting more bandwidth. We are about to get what we deserve from the 51% Committee, I would like to think that as a group, we would like to see the private individuals who build, continue to do so and prosper. I hold a lot of respect for Real Builders. I would like to think we all would be willing to contribute to helping increase the margin of safety with our product. To use that redneck media guy's tagline from the "Fair and Balanced Network" - "What say You?" Here is a teaser as to where I am going, Paul. Builder's who build should be allowed to continue to modify, maintain and inspection for the confirmation of continued safe operation their own personally registered and personally built aircraft - not that of any others. Certainly not "Build to Order". Builder's who sell, loose that specific Repairman Certificate upon the Sale, but they retain the right to sell it and to continue to build future OBAM. When individual's who did not build it buy it, they would have to get a professionally qualified A & P mechanic with current IA endorsement to complete the inspection for continued safe operation and for the protection of the General Public - oh yeh, and they cannot maintain it either cause they are not of sufficient knowledge and training. We do not need increased insurance rates. We do not need more restrictive regulations. We need more and higher ethics in the Build process. We need to support guys like Tim Olson and the sharing of information to improve our own group, from within. I will be nominating Tim Olson for the EAA Homebuilders Hall of Fame for 2007 and wanted to announce it right here (for his selfless generosity, tireless efforts and investment in time and the sharing of knowledge for safer OBAM aircraft and the safe growth of our remarkable group) and I am declaring it right now. Get back to Work. John Cox #40600 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:00:00 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order Ack!!!!! I certainly don't see myself as deserving of such a thing. I'm just trying to pass on some info that helps people over the bumps and gather some good tips. There are far more deserving people out there to be sure. I should have taken my ham sandwhich out of my mouth before I read that ending...I almost choked. ;) (but thanks John for the compliment) Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive John W. Cox wrote: > Let me go on record that ever since (actually before) biblical times, > women began providing services to men outside of marriage and the word > professional has been bastardized for the monetary benefit of the few. > > We now have people claiming Professional Build. Offering to build or > sell you Professionally Built Aircraft. Choose which flavor of the > month we can offer which will motivate you to pay us money for our > services We will provide you that service We promise. A profession > should be a group of people following a line of conduct as though it was > Professional, or a calling requiring Specialized Knowledge and training > often long and Intensive Academic Preparation, or engaged in one of the > learned professions such a my doctors, lawyer, accountant, structural > engineer, architect and real estate broker or better yet conforming to > ethically standards of a profession. I am all for a method to > establish who is a professional builder out their. Are You? Do we want > a Professional Build Program? Do we quietly look the other way while the > working guys and gals claim professional and take the money and run. > > There are few builders who could meet such a definition, Dave Saylor may > just be one who by his body of work, ethic and training might establish > a benchmark. He is the only voice we have in the sea of manufacturers > trying to sell more product and make more dollars for themselves who > also serves our interest on the ARC. Builders who ethically manipulate > the 51% rule to Build to Order are not such Professionals they are > prostitutes (IMHO). > > The result of such work may (I think - Will) lead to statistically > adulterated insurance rates for the individual OBAM aircraft which have > benefited by the 51% directive. It should come as no surprise with the > increased sophistication of our aircraft systems that someone building > them (Us RV-10 builders) needed training, academic preparation and some > modicum of ethics. Paying for IT, does not make it Professional, it > makes it a bastardized product. Before I answer Pauls request for > clarification on what I think of the ARC, I thought I would clear the > air before wasting more bandwidth. > > We are about to get what we deserve from the 51% Committee, I would like > to think that as a group, we would like to see the private individuals > who build, continue to do so and prosper. I hold a lot of respect for > Real Builders. I would like to think we all would be willing to > contribute to helping increase the margin of safety with our product. To > use that redneck media guys tagline from the Fair and Balanced > Network - What say You? > > Here is a teaser as to where I am going, Paul. Builders who build > should be allowed to continue to modify, maintain and inspection for the > confirmation of continued safe operation their own personally registered > and personally built aircraft not that of any others. Certainly not > Build to Order. Builders who sell, loose that specific Repairman > Certificate upon the Sale, but they retain the right to sell it and to > continue to build future OBAM. When individuals who did not build it > buy it, they would have to get a professionally qualified A & P mechanic > with current IA endorsement to complete the inspection for continued > safe operation and for the protection of the General Public oh yeh, > and they cannot maintain it either cause they are not of sufficient > knowledge and training. We do not need increased insurance rates. We > do not need more restrictive regulations. We need more and higher > ethics in the Build process. We need to support guys like Tim Olson and > the sharing of information to improve our own group, from within. > > I will be nominating Tim Olson for the EAA Homebuilders Hall of Fame for > 2007 and wanted to announce it right here (for his selfless generosity, > tireless efforts and investment in time and the sharing of knowledge for > safer OBAM aircraft and the safe growth of our remarkable group) and I > am declaring it right now. Get back to Work. > > John Cox > > #40600 > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:04:56 AM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order Professional Build Assist or Build to OrderAlways interesting to read your thoughts John. I am in agreement! Tim has been a strong force of the Homebuilder and should receive kudos for his efforts. He has played a strong component in my planning and enthusiasm to build a RV-10. He'll get my vote! Pascal DO NOT ARCHIVE From: John W. Cox To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:00 AM Subject: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order Let me go on record that ever since (actually before) biblical times, women began providing services to men "outside of marriage" and the word "professional " has been bastardized for the monetary benefit of the few. We now have people claiming "Professional Build". Offering to build or sell you "Professionally Built Aircraft". "Choose which flavor of the month we can offer which will motivate you to pay us money for our services - We will provide you that service - We promise". A profession should be a group of people following a line of conduct as though it was Professional, or a calling requiring Specialized Knowledge and training often long and Intensive Academic Preparation, or engaged in one of the learned professions such a my doctors, lawyer, accountant, structural engineer, architect and real estate broker or better yet "conforming to ethically standards of a profession". I am all for a method to establish who is a professional builder out their. Are You? Do we want a Professional Build Program? Do we quietly look the other way while the working guys and gals claim "professional" and take the money and run. There are few builders who could meet such a definition, Dave Saylor may just be one who by his body of work, ethic and training might establish a benchmark. He is the only voice we have in the sea of manufacturers trying to sell more product and make more dollars for themselves who also serves our interest on the ARC. Builders who ethically manipulate the 51% rule to "Build to Order" are not such Professionals they are prostitutes (IMHO). The result of such work may (I think - Will) lead to statistically adulterated insurance rates for the individual OBAM aircraft which have benefited by the 51% directive. It should come as no surprise with the increased sophistication of our aircraft systems that someone building them (Us RV-10 builders) needed training, academic preparation and some modicum of ethics. Paying for IT, does not make it Professional, it makes it a bastardized product. Before I answer Paul's request for clarification on what I think of the ARC, I thought I would clear the air before wasting more bandwidth. We are about to get what we deserve from the 51% Committee, I would like to think that as a group, we would like to see the private individuals who build, continue to do so and prosper. I hold a lot of respect for Real Builders. I would like to think we all would be willing to contribute to helping increase the margin of safety with our product. To use that redneck media guy's tagline from the "Fair and Balanced Network" - "What say You?" Here is a teaser as to where I am going, Paul. Builder's who build should be allowed to continue to modify, maintain and inspection for the confirmation of continued safe operation their own personally registered and personally built aircraft - not that of any others. Certainly not "Build to Order". Builder's who sell, loose that specific Repairman Certificate upon the Sale, but they retain the right to sell it and to continue to build future OBAM. When individual's who did not build it buy it, they would have to get a professionally qualified A & P mechanic with current IA endorsement to complete the inspection for continued safe operation and for the protection of the General Public - oh yeh, and they cannot maintain it either cause they are not of sufficient knowledge and training. We do not need increased insurance rates. We do not need more restrictive regulations. We need more and higher ethics in the Build process. We need to support guys like Tim Olson and the sharing of information to improve our own group, from within. I will be nominating Tim Olson for the EAA Homebuilders Hall of Fame for 2007 and wanted to announce it right here (for his selfless generosity, tireless efforts and investment in time and the sharing of knowledge for safer OBAM aircraft and the safe growth of our remarkable group) and I am declaring it right now. Get back to Work. John Cox #40600 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:16 AM PST US From: GRANSCOTT@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lycoming's New Web Site In a message dated 3/12/2007 12:40:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ericparlow@hotmail.com writes: http://www.lycoming.com/ Nice pix of Matt Chapman...a member of our EAA chapter member... _www.eaa240.org_ (http://www.eaa240.org) ...on your opening page. Patrick


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:04 PM PST US From: "ddddsp1@juno.com" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order I was going to nominate TIM Olson for a NOBEL prize to compete with Al G ore and Rush Limbaugh instead of a lowly Hall of Fame nominee. He is de serving of the honor..............BTW he did make the Axle extenders ava ilable to countries overseas as well as Canada and Mexico. He is truly an INTERNATIONAL Peace maker! Dean 40449 ________________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/f ront.htm?csp=24

I was going to nominate TIM Olson for a NOBEL prize to compete with Al Gore and Rush Limbaugh instead of a lowly Hall of Fame nominee.& nbsp; He is deserving of the honor..............BTW he did make the Axle extenders available to countries overseas as well as Canada and Mexico.   He is truly an INTERNATIONAL Peace maker!

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________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:17 PM PST US From: "Jae Chang" Subject: RV10-List: Rear window/Access panel? Funny, I just noticed that the RV demonstrator N410RV has an access panel in the rear/top of the canopy. Does anyone else have this, or know what it is for? Mini-moonroof? http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/Rv10/06_11/ground/135.jpg http://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/VansRV10pics/inside3.html Jae ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:16:50 PM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear window/Access panel? Isn't that for the parachute system they are developing? Do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jae Chang Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 3:41 PM Subject: RV10-List: Rear window/Access panel? Funny, I just noticed that the RV demonstrator N410RV has an access panel in the rear/top of the canopy. Does anyone else have this, or know what it is for? Mini-moonroof? http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/Rv10/06_11/ground/135.jpg http://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/VansRV10pics/inside3.html Jae -- 8:41 AM ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:03 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear window/Access panel? From: "Randy DeBauw" Early version of a Vent. Abandoned for the side vents. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jae Chang Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 12:41 PM Subject: RV10-List: Rear window/Access panel? Funny, I just noticed that the RV demonstrator N410RV has an access panel in the rear/top of the canopy. Does anyone else have this, or know what it is for? Mini-moonroof? http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/Rv10/06_11/ground/135.jpg http://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/VansRV10pics/inside3.html Jae ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:12 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order Ugh!! It keeps getting worse!! Al Gore?? Rush Limbaugh??? Now that's no compliment!! Nobody has to give any praise, but no more insults either! ;) (yes, I'm laughing) Tim absolutely whatever you do...DO NOT ARCHIVE anything with my name tied to Al Gore or Rush Limbaugh. ;) ddddsp1@juno.com wrote: > I was going to nominate TIM Olson for a NOBEL prize to compete with Al > Gore and Rush Limbaugh instead of a lowly Hall of Fame nominee. He is > deserving of the honor..............BTW he did make the Axle extenders > available to countries overseas as well as Canada and Mexico. He is > truly an INTERNATIONAL Peace maker! > > Dean 40449 > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:06 PM PST US From: "Mike Lauritsen - Work" Subject: RV10-List: Used Cylinders Anybody have an idea what to do with the used cylinders off of my IO540? Replaced them all when rebuilt now they are sitting around. 5 of the 6 are within new limits. Has anyone sold theirs? What are they worth? Thanks, Mike ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:06 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order From: "John W. Cox" You should have never crossed the line and helped with the axle extensions project or a search engine on your website. It might have been the vision of your young labor force packaging those gifts. No aircraft is more significant to OBAM than an IFR capable RV-10. The rocket may get more headlines, the Epic LT more FAA scrutiny, the Lancair more insurance notice but the RV-10 now that is and will remain the King of the OBAM jungle. I can't think of anyone with more of a tangible contribution to education, leader, safety, innovation, technical contribution that is either living or deceased (just to restate their nomination procedure). And humble to boot. Now keep your health up for Camp Condrey in July. John Cox #40600 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:59 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order Ack!!!!! I certainly don't see myself as deserving of such a thing. I'm just trying to pass on some info that helps people over the bumps and gather some good tips. There are far more deserving people out there to be sure. I should have taken my ham sandwhich out of my mouth before I read that ending...I almost choked. ;) (but thanks John for the compliment) Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive > I will be nominating Tim Olson for the EAA Homebuilders Hall of Fame for > 2007 and wanted to announce it right here (for his selfless generosity, > tireless efforts and investment in time and the sharing of knowledge for > safer OBAM aircraft and the safe growth of our remarkable group) and I > am declaring it right now. Get back to Work. > > John Cox ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:51 PM PST US From: GRANSCOTT@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Used Cylinders Mike you might want to retain them as spares...used they go for a pretty low price compared to their value. P do not archive


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:35 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order From: "John W. Cox" Al Gore, Michael Moore, Franken, Limbaugh, King and O'Reilly... oh, lord, what have I started. John Cox #40600 ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ddddsp1@juno.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 12:23 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order I was going to nominate TIM Olson for a NOBEL prize to compete with Al Gore and Rush Limbaugh instead of a lowly Hall of Fame nominee. He is deserving of the honor..............BTW he did make the Axle extenders available to countries overseas as well as Canada and Mexico. He is truly an INTERNATIONAL Peace maker! Dean 40449 ________________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:36 PM PST US From: "Randy DeBauw" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Used Cylinders What color paint is on barrel or is it gone? Randy -----Original Message----- From: "Mike Lauritsen - Work" Sent: 3/12/2007 1:21 PM Subject: RV10-List: Used Cylinders Anybody have an idea what to do with the used cylinders off of my IO540? Replaced them all when rebuilt now they are sitting around. 5 of the 6 are within new limits. Has anyone sold theirs? What are they worth? Thanks, Mike ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:28 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear window/Access panel? From: "John W. Cox" Certification of an OBAM kit built required spin testing for use with the IO-540D4A5. Put another engine in and Ken Scott would recommend you have one with a ballistic chute and Mini-moonroof, as well to confirm lack of flutter and to establish demonstrated VNe. On a side note, Columbia lost their demo when It would not recover in spin. The chute fouled and the demo pilot bailed. That prototype was replaced. Have your ducks in a row when changing powerplants. Read Kitplanes - April 2007 pages 30-33. John Cox -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jae Chang Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 12:41 PM Subject: RV10-List: Rear window/Access panel? Funny, I just noticed that the RV demonstrator N410RV has an access panel in the rear/top of the canopy. Does anyone else have this, or know what it is for? Mini-moonroof? http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/Rv10/06_11/ground/135.jpg http://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/VansRV10pics/inside3.html Jae ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:49 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order From: "McGANN, Ron" Completely meaningless to other than American brothers. Please remember the list is an international community. :-) DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox Sent: Tuesday, 13 March 2007 7:07 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order Al Gore, Michael Moore, Franken, Limbaugh, King and O'Reilly... oh, lord, what have I started. John Cox #40600 ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ddddsp1@juno.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 12:23 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order I was going to nominate TIM Olson for a NOBEL prize to compete with Al Gore and Rush Limbaugh instead of a lowly Hall of Fame nominee. He is deserving of the honor..............BTW he did make the Axle extenders available to countries overseas as well as Canada and Mexico. He is truly an INTERNATIONAL Peace maker! Dean 40449 ________________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:40 PM PST US From: "Mike Lauritsen - Work" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Used Cylinders Also I just listed two rebuilt cylinders on ebay that are .010" over if anyone is interested. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220091679155 On 3/12/07, Mike Lauritsen - Work wrote: > > Anybody have an idea what to do with the used cylinders off of my IO540? > Replaced them all when rebuilt now they are sitting around. 5 of the 6 are > within new limits. Has anyone sold theirs? What are they worth? > > Thanks, > Mike > > * > > > * > > -- Mike Lauritsen Cleaveland Aircraft Tool 515-432-6794 www.cleavelandtool.com ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:47 PM PST US From: "Mike Lauritsen - Work" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Used Cylinders They are grey. On 3/12/07, Randy DeBauw wrote: > > > What color paint is on barrel or is it gone? Randy > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Mike Lauritsen - Work" > To: "rv10-list@matronics.com" > Sent: 3/12/2007 1:21 PM > Subject: RV10-List: Used Cylinders > > Anybody have an idea what to do with the used cylinders off of my IO540? > Replaced them all when rebuilt now they are sitting around. 5 of the 6 > are > within new limits. Has anyone sold theirs? What are they worth? > > Thanks, > Mike > > -- Mike Lauritsen Cleaveland Aircraft Tool 515-432-6794 www.cleavelandtool.com ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:13 PM PST US From: "Mark Ritter" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order I think he is really sweet on Ann Coulter. >From: "John W. Cox" >To: >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order >Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:37:10 -0700 > >Al Gore, Michael Moore, Franken, Limbaugh, King and O'Reilly... oh, >lord, what have I started. > > >John Cox >#40600 > >________________________________ > >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >ddddsp1@juno.com >Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 12:23 PM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order > > >I was going to nominate TIM Olson for a NOBEL prize to compete with Al >Gore and Rush Limbaugh instead of a lowly Hall of Fame nominee. He is >deserving of the honor..............BTW he did make the Axle extenders >available to countries overseas as well as Canada and Mexico. He is >truly an INTERNATIONAL Peace maker! > >Dean 40449 > > >________________________________________________________________________ >Interested in getting caught up on today's news? >Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. >t.htm?csp=24> > > _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro*Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:01 PM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order No Ron, they are completely meaningless to most Americans too. HA! Michael Do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:06 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order Completely meaningless to other than American brothers. Please remember the list is an international community. :-) DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox Sent: Tuesday, 13 March 2007 7:07 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order Al Gore, Michael Moore, Franken, Limbaugh, King and O'Reilly... oh, lord, w hat have I started. John Cox #40600 ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of ddddsp1@juno.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 12:23 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order I was going to nominate TIM Olson for a NOBEL prize to compete with Al Gore and Rush Limbaugh instead of a lowly Hall of Fame nominee. He is deservin g of the honor..............BTW he did make the Axle extenders available to countries overseas as well as Canada and Mexico. He is truly an INTERNATI ONAL Peace maker! Dean 40449 ________________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. ="">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ="">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:54 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order That's what happens to "Peacekeepers" (Like Cops). Tim, I believe qualifies as a "PIECE maker". 8*) KABONG Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: John W. Cox To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 1:37 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order Al Gore, Michael Moore, Franken, Limbaugh, King and O'Reilly. oh, lord, what have I started. John Cox #40600 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ddddsp1@juno.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 12:23 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order I was going to nominate TIM Olson for a NOBEL prize to compete with Al Gore and Rush Limbaugh instead of a lowly Hall of Fame nominee. He is deserving of the honor..............BTW he did make the Axle extenders available to countries overseas as well as Canada and Mexico. He is truly an INTERNATIONAL Peace maker! Dean 40449 ________________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:28 PM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RV10-List: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10? A question came up one day while hanger flying. Which certified, old or new, comes closest to the RV-10, all around? Seating, performance, handling, payload, comfort, etc etc. Waddya think? Hmmmm? John Jessen 40328 do not archive ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:18 PM PST US From: "Randy DeBauw" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Used Cylinders I will look them up. -----Original Message----- From: "Mike Lauritsen - Work" Sent: 3/12/2007 2:08 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Used Cylinders They are grey. On 3/12/07, Randy DeBauw wrote: > > > What color paint is on barrel or is it gone? Randy > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Mike Lauritsen - Work" > To: "rv10-list@matronics.com" > Sent: 3/12/2007 1:21 PM > Subject: RV10-List: Used Cylinders > > Anybody have an idea what to do with the used cylinders off of my IO540? > Replaced them all when rebuilt now they are sitting around. 5 of the 6 > are > within new limits. Has anyone sold theirs? What are they worth? > > Thanks, > Mike > > -- Mike Lauritsen Cleaveland Aircraft Tool 515-432-6794 www.cleavelandtool.com ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:31 PM PST US From: john dalmas Subject: Re: RV10-List: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10? Grumman Tiger --- John Jessen wrote: > A question came up one day while hanger flying. > Which certified, old or > new, comes closest to the RV-10, all around? > Seating, performance, > handling, payload, comfort, etc etc. Waddya think? > Hmmmm? > > John Jessen > 40328 > > do not archive > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:16 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Used Cylinders Pondering.... Aren't the cylinders basically the same between the 360 and 540 engines...just that we get 2 more of them? If that's true, why not sell 4 of them as a set to some person who needs a top job? Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Mike Lauritsen - Work wrote: > They are grey. > > > On 3/12/07, *Randy DeBauw* > wrote: > > > > > What color paint is on barrel or is it gone? Randy > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Mike Lauritsen - Work" < mike@cleavelandtool.com > > > To: "rv10-list@matronics.com " > > > Sent: 3/12/2007 1:21 PM > Subject: RV10-List: Used Cylinders > > Anybody have an idea what to do with the used cylinders off of my IO540? > Replaced them all when rebuilt now they are sitting around. 5 of > the 6 are > Cleaveland Aircraft Tool > 515-432-6794 > www.cleavelandtool.com > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:55 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10? Professional Build Assist or Build to OrderTwo Harmon Rockets... (with heel cups & wing lockers. Yea, and ya can build two for the price of one) KABONG 8*) Do Not Archive OR (Early Mooney, Maule, Stinson, TBM/TBF Avenger [except for the fuel] ) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Jessen To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:44 PM Subject: RV10-List: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10? A question came up one day while hanger flying. Which certified, old or new, comes closest to the RV-10, all around? Seating, performance, handling, payload, comfort, etc etc. Waddya think? Hmmmm? John Jessen 40328 do not archive ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:05 PM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10? 4-seat Bonanza, from everything I have heard and seen. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:44 PM Subject: RV10-List: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10? A question came up one day while hanger flying. Which certified, old or new, comes closest to the RV-10, all around? Seating, performance, handling, payload, comfort, etc etc. Waddya think? Hmmmm? John Jessen 40328 do not archive ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:00 PM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV10-List: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10? I own and fly a 4 seat 1958 J-35 Bonanza. It has a 260 hp Continental IO-470-N and is a good airplane. BUT, with four adults and 20 lbs of luggage each, I can only carry about 25 gallons of fuel! Gross weight and aft CG problem. I have GAMI injectors and run LOP and can get about 165 knots TAS on 11.5 gph. I think the RV-10 handily beats the Bonanza on all of those counts. The complexity and expense of retractable gear, the time consuming annual (we do our own annuals), and the expense of Raytheon parts are another downside. It has been a great airplane and my wife and I have traveled to both coasts and lots of places in between in it, but we are really looking forward to our RV-10. David and Mary Maib #40559 QB wings On Mar 12, 2007, at 8:36 PM, Jesse Saint wrote: 4-seat Bonanza, from everything I have heard and seen. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:44 PM Subject: RV10-List: Which certified comes closest to the RV-10? A question came up one day while hanger flying. Which certified, old or new, comes closest to the RV-10, all around? Seating, performance, handling, payload, comfort, etc etc. Waddya think? Hmmmm? John Jessen 40328 do not archive http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List_- ============================================================ _- forums.matronics.com_- =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:11 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." Come on Ron, everyone knows the academy award winning Al Gore, after all he created the internet we use everyday! and Michael Moore, you gotta know him as one of the best film makers ever....Not!! Dan N289DT -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:06 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order Completely meaningless to other than American brothers. Please remember the list is an international community. :-) DO NOT ARCHIVE _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox Sent: Tuesday, 13 March 2007 7:07 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order Al Gore, Michael Moore, Franken, Limbaugh, King and O'Reilly... oh, lord, what have I started. John Cox #40600 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ddddsp1@juno.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 12:23 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Professional Build Assist or Build to Order I was going to nominate TIM Olson for a NOBEL prize to compete with Al Gore and Rush Limbaugh instead of a lowly Hall of Fame nominee. He is deserving of the honor..............BTW he did make the Axle extenders available to countries overseas as well as Canada and Mexico. He is truly an INTERNATIONAL Peace maker! Dean 40449 ________________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? 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