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1. 04:43 AM - Re: KSAT visit (Mark Ritter)
2. 05:54 AM - Re: Paralleling the control columns (Jesse Saint)
3. 05:55 AM - Re: KSAT visit (Jesse Saint)
4. 06:15 AM - Re: KSAT visit (Mark Ritter)
5. 06:47 AM - Re: www.rv10pilots.org or www.rv10owner.org? (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
6. 07:13 AM - Re: www.rv10pilots.org or www.rv10owner.org? (Pascal)
7. 07:15 AM - Re: KSAT visit (John Gonzalez)
8. 07:18 AM - Re: Paralleling the control columns (John Gonzalez)
9. 07:38 AM - Re: Do the plastic brake lines leak? (Richard Sipp)
10. 11:11 AM - Re: Paralleling the control columns (John Gonzalez)
11. 11:33 AM - Re: Paralleling the control columns (Jay Rowe)
12. 01:02 PM - Re: Paralleling the control columns (jesse@saintaviation.com)
13. 01:05 PM - Re: KSAT visit (jesse@saintaviation.com)
14. 04:03 PM - Re: KSAT visit (Mark Ritter)
15. 04:10 PM - Re: KSAT visit (Mark Ritter)
16. 06:21 PM - Re: Paralleling the control columns (Tim Olson)
17. 09:55 PM - Re: Paralleling the control columns (John Gonzalez)
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Jesse,
Come over to Lockhart (50R) which is about 50 miles from San Antonio when
you get over this way. There are several builders at the airport including
an RV-10 being fitted with a two rotor Mazda (very interesting). I'll be
back from a whale watching trip to Baja in my RV-10 N410MR.
KBAZ has $2.90 100LL.
Mark
>From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: KSAT visit
>Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:27:02 -0400
>
>
>And I'll be out there on April 6th. I would love to visit a project or two
>in the area.
>
>Do not archive
>
>Jesse Saint
>Saint Aviation, Inc.
>jesse@saintaviation.com
>www.saintaviation.com
>Cell: 352-427-0285
>Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darton Steve
>Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 3:29 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: KSAT visit
>
>
>I will be I San Antonio, Texas. Any builders that
>would like a helping hand this Monday and Tuesday?
>
>Steve 40212
>
>
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| Subject: | Paralleling the control columns |
Try disconnecting them from each other and hold them parallel and see how
close you can get them. One way to test it is to measure the distance
between the bases (on center) and then again at the same point on both of
the vertical parts. If this doesn't work, you can put a level on one stick
(the one that you are comfortable with) and get it plumb. Then measure the
distance between the stick and the side wall of the plane. Now use this
same measurement between the other stick and the side wall. If you can't
get it perfect, pick a place on the stick that is the most important and get
that as close as you can.
This is the best I can suggest.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:28 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
Jesse,
You are completely correct in your understanding of what I said. I have
spent some time trying to just get the two straight portions parallel, but
it doesn't seem to be gettng there.
JOhn
>From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:26:19 -0400
>
>
>The vertical portion at the top of the stick is the most important part to
>get lined up, This can be adjusted by adjusting the rod that connects the
>two sticks. I think I hear you saying, however, that the half-moon part of
>the stick is not pointing directly forward. Is this correct? I don't
>think
>this is a crucial, although it might not looks as good as it could. If I
>am
>completely misunderstanding, send a picture with a line drawn that
>exaggerates the problem and I may be able to offer something. I haven't
>seen any problems in the welded steel parts in this area in the 5 planes
>that I have helped with.
>
>Do not archive
>
>Jesse Saint
>Saint Aviation, Inc.
>jesse@saintaviation.com
>www.saintaviation.com
>Cell: 352-427-0285
>Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
>Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:41 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>
>
>I noticed that I will not be able to parallel the two colums. Irrespective
>of my rotation of my stick as it goes into the column, now that both are
>setup in the plane, I can see that my copilot stick is angled more out
>toward the front right.
>
>What I am trying to say is that the plane of the entire stick is aiming
>toward the right(The plane being the base, the curve and the top hand grip
>area as if it was laying on a flat table). It looks like the receiver in
>the column for the copilots side is angled out.
>
>With this, I will never get the stick parallel. They are not in the same
>plane. No it can't be corrected by rotating the shaft and redrilling. It is
>the column that is out of toe per say.
>
>Did anyone else notice this on their controls? I think, like the elevator
>control horns, there might be a sufficient deviation between rt and lf in
>the tooling.
>
>The pilots side control stick's plane looks perfectly oreinted straight
>ahead.
>
>I don't think the hand grip portion will be that noticeble to one flying
>the
>
>plane from either side.
>
>Any other ideas other that getting a new column and stick or just leaving
>it
>
>alone?
>
>John G.
>
>
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>11:27 AM
>
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I'm sorry to say that I am driving there with my family, so I will just go
with 87 Octane for, hopefully, less than $2.90/gal. I will try to get over
there, though.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ritter
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 7:43 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: KSAT visit
Jesse,
Come over to Lockhart (50R) which is about 50 miles from San Antonio when
you get over this way. There are several builders at the airport including
an RV-10 being fitted with a two rotor Mazda (very interesting). I'll be
back from a whale watching trip to Baja in my RV-10 N410MR.
KBAZ has $2.90 100LL.
Mark
>From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: KSAT visit
>Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:27:02 -0400
>
>
>And I'll be out there on April 6th. I would love to visit a project or two
>in the area.
>
>Do not archive
>
>Jesse Saint
>Saint Aviation, Inc.
>jesse@saintaviation.com
>www.saintaviation.com
>Cell: 352-427-0285
>Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darton Steve
>Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 3:29 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: KSAT visit
>
>
>I will be I San Antonio, Texas. Any builders that
>would like a helping hand this Monday and Tuesday?
>
>Steve 40212
>
>
>No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go
>with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.
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>
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>
>
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Jesse,
If you can make it call me at (512) 965-0807 and I'll put together a
welcoming committee. You gotta try our world famous bar-b-que.
Mark
>From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: KSAT visit
>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:55:08 -0400
>
>
>I'm sorry to say that I am driving there with my family, so I will just go
>with 87 Octane for, hopefully, less than $2.90/gal. I will try to get over
>there, though.
>
>Do not archive.
>
>Jesse Saint
>Saint Aviation, Inc.
>jesse@saintaviation.com
>www.saintaviation.com
>Cell: 352-427-0285
>Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ritter
>Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 7:43 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: KSAT visit
>
>
>Jesse,
>
>Come over to Lockhart (50R) which is about 50 miles from San Antonio when
>you get over this way. There are several builders at the airport including
>an RV-10 being fitted with a two rotor Mazda (very interesting). I'll be
>back from a whale watching trip to Baja in my RV-10 N410MR.
>
>KBAZ has $2.90 100LL.
>
>Mark
>
>
> >From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
> >To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RE: RV10-List: KSAT visit
> >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:27:02 -0400
> >
> >
> >And I'll be out there on April 6th. I would love to visit a project or
>two
> >in the area.
> >
> >Do not archive
> >
> >Jesse Saint
> >Saint Aviation, Inc.
> >jesse@saintaviation.com
> >www.saintaviation.com
> >Cell: 352-427-0285
> >Fax: 815-377-3694
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darton Steve
> >Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 3:29 PM
> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RV10-List: KSAT visit
> >
> >
> >I will be I San Antonio, Texas. Any builders that
> >would like a helping hand this Monday and Tuesday?
> >
> >Steve 40212
> >
> >
> >
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> >with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.
> >http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: www.rv10pilots.org or www.rv10owner.org? |
In a message dated 3/14/2007 10:33:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
flysrv10@gmail.com writes:
www.beagleaviation.com
I have a sister in this business so I'm aware of the cost of the stock
goods...and beagle seems a tad high but to each there own...
Patrick
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| Subject: | Re: www.rv10pilots.org or www.rv10owner.org? |
I am all for supporting family.
Send a link or options for the group as a possible group purchase
retailer.
Thanks!
Pascal
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To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: www.rv10pilots.org or www.rv10owner.org?
In a message dated 3/14/2007 10:33:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
flysrv10@gmail.com writes:
www.beagleaviation.com
I have a sister in this business so I'm aware of the cost of the stock
goods...and beagle seems a tad high but to each there own...
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My father and his girlfriend just came back from San Ignacio Bay and they
had a great time with the whales. Make sure you lock up your propeller and
everything else. The Cartels love to steal planes, use them for one run and
ditch em.
Have fun!
John G.
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>From: "Mark Ritter" <mritter509@msn.com>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: KSAT visit
>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 06:42:58 -0500
>
>
>Jesse,
>
>Come over to Lockhart (50R) which is about 50 miles from San Antonio when
>you get over this way. There are several builders at the airport including
>an RV-10 being fitted with a two rotor Mazda (very interesting). I'll be
>back from a whale watching trip to Baja in my RV-10 N410MR.
>
>KBAZ has $2.90 100LL.
>
>Mark
>
>
>>From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: KSAT visit
>>Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:27:02 -0400
>>
>>
>>And I'll be out there on April 6th. I would love to visit a project or
>>two
>>in the area.
>>
>>Do not archive
>>
>>Jesse Saint
>>Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>jesse@saintaviation.com
>>www.saintaviation.com
>>Cell: 352-427-0285
>>Fax: 815-377-3694
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darton Steve
>>Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 3:29 PM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RV10-List: KSAT visit
>>
>>
>>I will be I San Antonio, Texas. Any builders that
>>would like a helping hand this Monday and Tuesday?
>>
>>Steve 40212
>>
>>
>>
>>No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go
>>with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.
>>http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>11:27 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Paralleling the control columns |
Thanks,
Worked with the level a bit yesterday, will do the other suggestons today.
john
>From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:53:29 -0400
>
>
>Try disconnecting them from each other and hold them parallel and see how
>close you can get them. One way to test it is to measure the distance
>between the bases (on center) and then again at the same point on both of
>the vertical parts. If this doesn't work, you can put a level on one stick
>(the one that you are comfortable with) and get it plumb. Then measure the
>distance between the stick and the side wall of the plane. Now use this
>same measurement between the other stick and the side wall. If you can't
>get it perfect, pick a place on the stick that is the most important and
>get
>that as close as you can.
>
>This is the best I can suggest.
>
>Jesse Saint
>Saint Aviation, Inc.
>jesse@saintaviation.com
>www.saintaviation.com
>Cell: 352-427-0285
>Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
>Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:28 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>
>
>Jesse,
>
>You are completely correct in your understanding of what I said. I have
>spent some time trying to just get the two straight portions parallel, but
>it doesn't seem to be gettng there.
>
>JOhn
>
>
> >From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
> >To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
> >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:26:19 -0400
> >
> >
> >The vertical portion at the top of the stick is the most important part
>to
> >get lined up, This can be adjusted by adjusting the rod that connects
>the
> >two sticks. I think I hear you saying, however, that the half-moon part
>of
> >the stick is not pointing directly forward. Is this correct? I don't
> >think
> >this is a crucial, although it might not looks as good as it could. If I
> >am
> >completely misunderstanding, send a picture with a line drawn that
> >exaggerates the problem and I may be able to offer something. I haven't
> >seen any problems in the welded steel parts in this area in the 5 planes
> >that I have helped with.
> >
> >Do not archive
> >
> >Jesse Saint
> >Saint Aviation, Inc.
> >jesse@saintaviation.com
> >www.saintaviation.com
> >Cell: 352-427-0285
> >Fax: 815-377-3694
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
> >Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:41 PM
> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
> >
> >
> >I noticed that I will not be able to parallel the two colums.
>Irrespective
> >of my rotation of my stick as it goes into the column, now that both are
> >setup in the plane, I can see that my copilot stick is angled more out
> >toward the front right.
> >
> >What I am trying to say is that the plane of the entire stick is aiming
> >toward the right(The plane being the base, the curve and the top hand
>grip
> >area as if it was laying on a flat table). It looks like the receiver in
> >the column for the copilots side is angled out.
> >
> >With this, I will never get the stick parallel. They are not in the same
> >plane. No it can't be corrected by rotating the shaft and redrilling. It
>is
> >the column that is out of toe per say.
> >
> >Did anyone else notice this on their controls? I think, like the
>elevator
> >control horns, there might be a sufficient deviation between rt and lf in
> >the tooling.
> >
> >The pilots side control stick's plane looks perfectly oreinted straight
> >ahead.
> >
> >I don't think the hand grip portion will be that noticeble to one flying
> >the
> >
> >plane from either side.
> >
> >Any other ideas other that getting a new column and stick or just leaving
> >it
> >
> >alone?
> >
> >John G.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >11:27 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>--
>11:27 AM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Do the plastic brake lines leak? |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Do the plastic brake lines leak?
No plastic brake line problems in 750 hours/ten years in a RV4. Similar
arrangement to the 10.
Dick Sipp
40065
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From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Do the plastic brake lines leak?
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| Subject: | Paralleling the control columns |
Okay, I found the problem to be that the bushing receiver is not welded
parallel to the receiver of the control stick. So no matter what, the bow in
the control stick is angled toward the co pilot's right knee.
In addition, the bushing reveiver is reemed out oversize for the O.D. of the
bushing and this further complicates things as the bushing is loose inside
the receiver and the column has a lot of play.
My bushings came Begee tied inside the bushing collar. In other words, I
didn't cause the oversize issue.
I am returning the pieces to Van's.
JOhn
>From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 07:18:22 -0700
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Worked with the level a bit yesterday, will do the other suggestons today.
>
>john
>
>
>>From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:53:29 -0400
>>
>>
>>Try disconnecting them from each other and hold them parallel and see how
>>close you can get them. One way to test it is to measure the distance
>>between the bases (on center) and then again at the same point on both of
>>the vertical parts. If this doesn't work, you can put a level on one
>>stick
>>(the one that you are comfortable with) and get it plumb. Then measure
>>the
>>distance between the stick and the side wall of the plane. Now use this
>>same measurement between the other stick and the side wall. If you can't
>>get it perfect, pick a place on the stick that is the most important and
>>get
>>that as close as you can.
>>
>>This is the best I can suggest.
>>
>>Jesse Saint
>>Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>jesse@saintaviation.com
>>www.saintaviation.com
>>Cell: 352-427-0285
>>Fax: 815-377-3694
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
>>Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:28 AM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>>
>>
>>Jesse,
>>
>>You are completely correct in your understanding of what I said. I have
>>spent some time trying to just get the two straight portions parallel, but
>>it doesn't seem to be gettng there.
>>
>>JOhn
>>
>>
>> >From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>> >To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>> >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:26:19 -0400
>> >
>> >
>> >The vertical portion at the top of the stick is the most important part
>>to
>> >get lined up, This can be adjusted by adjusting the rod that connects
>>the
>> >two sticks. I think I hear you saying, however, that the half-moon part
>>of
>> >the stick is not pointing directly forward. Is this correct? I don't
>> >think
>> >this is a crucial, although it might not looks as good as it could. If
>>I
>> >am
>> >completely misunderstanding, send a picture with a line drawn that
>> >exaggerates the problem and I may be able to offer something. I haven't
>> >seen any problems in the welded steel parts in this area in the 5 planes
>> >that I have helped with.
>> >
>> >Do not archive
>> >
>> >Jesse Saint
>> >Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> >jesse@saintaviation.com
>> >www.saintaviation.com
>> >Cell: 352-427-0285
>> >Fax: 815-377-3694
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
>> >Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:41 PM
>> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> >Subject: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>> >
>><indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>> >
>> >I noticed that I will not be able to parallel the two colums.
>>Irrespective
>> >of my rotation of my stick as it goes into the column, now that both are
>> >setup in the plane, I can see that my copilot stick is angled more out
>> >toward the front right.
>> >
>> >What I am trying to say is that the plane of the entire stick is aiming
>> >toward the right(The plane being the base, the curve and the top hand
>>grip
>> >area as if it was laying on a flat table). It looks like the receiver
>>in
>> >the column for the copilots side is angled out.
>> >
>> >With this, I will never get the stick parallel. They are not in the same
>> >plane. No it can't be corrected by rotating the shaft and redrilling. It
>>is
>> >the column that is out of toe per say.
>> >
>> >Did anyone else notice this on their controls? I think, like the
>>elevator
>> >control horns, there might be a sufficient deviation between rt and lf
>>in
>> >the tooling.
>> >
>> >The pilots side control stick's plane looks perfectly oreinted straight
>> >ahead.
>> >
>> >I don't think the hand grip portion will be that noticeble to one flying
>> >the
>> >
>> >plane from either side.
>> >
>> >Any other ideas other that getting a new column and stick or just
>>leaving
>> >it
>> >
>> >alone?
>> >
>> >John G.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >11:27 AM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>11:27 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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John: I did not have the misalignment problem that has plaugued you but one
of my control pieces also had a loose bushing. But, of course, I didn't
realize that until I had the controls all in place. The result, on the
pilot's side, is about a 1/4 inch of fore and aft stick wiggle. There is
just the slightest of wiggle on the co-pilot's side. Much less than in my
172 but still irritating. I have not replaced the part yet and I don't know
if I should? I just wonder if other folks are having this loose bushing
problem, and if so how to fix since a new part from Van's may or may not
sovle the problem. Jay Rowe
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 2:10 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>
> Okay, I found the problem to be that the bushing receiver is not welded
> parallel to the receiver of the control stick. So no matter what, the bow
> in the control stick is angled toward the co pilot's right knee.
>
> In addition, the bushing reveiver is reemed out oversize for the O.D. of
> the bushing and this further complicates things as the bushing is loose
> inside the receiver and the column has a lot of play.
>
> My bushings came Begee tied inside the bushing collar. In other words, I
> didn't cause the oversize issue.
>
> I am returning the pieces to Van's.
>
> JOhn
>
>
>>From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 07:18:22 -0700
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Worked with the level a bit yesterday, will do the other suggestons today.
>>
>>john
>>
>>
>>>From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>>>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:53:29 -0400
>>>
>>>
>>>Try disconnecting them from each other and hold them parallel and see how
>>>close you can get them. One way to test it is to measure the distance
>>>between the bases (on center) and then again at the same point on both of
>>>the vertical parts. If this doesn't work, you can put a level on one
>>>stick
>>>(the one that you are comfortable with) and get it plumb. Then measure
>>>the
>>>distance between the stick and the side wall of the plane. Now use this
>>>same measurement between the other stick and the side wall. If you can't
>>>get it perfect, pick a place on the stick that is the most important and
>>>get
>>>that as close as you can.
>>>
>>>This is the best I can suggest.
>>>
>>>Jesse Saint
>>>Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>>jesse@saintaviation.com
>>>www.saintaviation.com
>>>Cell: 352-427-0285
>>>Fax: 815-377-3694
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
>>>Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:28 AM
>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>>>
>>>
>>>Jesse,
>>>
>>>You are completely correct in your understanding of what I said. I have
>>>spent some time trying to just get the two straight portions parallel,
>>>but
>>>it doesn't seem to be gettng there.
>>>
>>>JOhn
>>>
>>>
>>> >From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>> >To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>>> >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:26:19 -0400
>>> >
>>> ><jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>> >
>>> >The vertical portion at the top of the stick is the most important part
>>>to
>>> >get lined up, This can be adjusted by adjusting the rod that connects
>>>the
>>> >two sticks. I think I hear you saying, however, that the half-moon
>>> >part
>>>of
>>> >the stick is not pointing directly forward. Is this correct? I don't
>>> >think
>>> >this is a crucial, although it might not looks as good as it could. If
>>>I
>>> >am
>>> >completely misunderstanding, send a picture with a line drawn that
>>> >exaggerates the problem and I may be able to offer something. I
>>> >haven't
>>> >seen any problems in the welded steel parts in this area in the 5
>>> >planes
>>> >that I have helped with.
>>> >
>>> >Do not archive
>>> >
>>> >Jesse Saint
>>> >Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>> >jesse@saintaviation.com
>>> >www.saintaviation.com
>>> >Cell: 352-427-0285
>>> >Fax: 815-377-3694
>>> >
>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>> >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
>>> >Gonzalez
>>> >Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:41 PM
>>> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> >Subject: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>>> >
>>><indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>> >
>>> >I noticed that I will not be able to parallel the two colums.
>>>Irrespective
>>> >of my rotation of my stick as it goes into the column, now that both
>>> >are
>>> >setup in the plane, I can see that my copilot stick is angled more out
>>> >toward the front right.
>>> >
>>> >What I am trying to say is that the plane of the entire stick is aiming
>>> >toward the right(The plane being the base, the curve and the top hand
>>>grip
>>> >area as if it was laying on a flat table). It looks like the receiver
>>>in
>>> >the column for the copilots side is angled out.
>>> >
>>> >With this, I will never get the stick parallel. They are not in the
>>> >same
>>> >plane. No it can't be corrected by rotating the shaft and redrilling.
>>> >It
>>>is
>>> >the column that is out of toe per say.
>>> >
>>> >Did anyone else notice this on their controls? I think, like the
>>>elevator
>>> >control horns, there might be a sufficient deviation between rt and lf
>>>in
>>> >the tooling.
>>> >
>>> >The pilots side control stick's plane looks perfectly oreinted straight
>>> >ahead.
>>> >
>>> >I don't think the hand grip portion will be that noticeble to one
>>> >flying
>>> >the
>>> >
>>> >plane from either side.
>>> >
>>> >Any other ideas other that getting a new column and stick or just
>>>leaving
>>> >it
>>> >
>>> >alone?
>>> >
>>> >John G.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >--
>>> >11:27 AM
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>11:27 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Paralleling the control columns |
I have seen the stick wiggle by having the bushing too long so the stick
wiggles by sliding up and down the bushing. It is very annoying,
especially when the auto pilot is engaged, because you can then feel the
wiggle because there are strong forces on the controls, yet you still need
to touch the stick for PTT and trims. I have not seen the bushing
actually loose inside the stick base, though. Usually it is too tight and
it has to be cleaned out so it rotates smoothly. A little grease also
helps for smoothness, but the wiggle can often be taken out by shortening
the bushing a little so there isn't the length travel.
Jesse Saint
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
352-427-0285
>
> John: I did not have the misalignment problem that has plaugued you but
> one
> of my control pieces also had a loose bushing. But, of course, I didn't
> realize that until I had the controls all in place. The result, on the
> pilot's side, is about a 1/4 inch of fore and aft stick wiggle. There is
> just the slightest of wiggle on the co-pilot's side. Much less than in my
> 172 but still irritating. I have not replaced the part yet and I don't
> know
> if I should? I just wonder if other folks are having this loose bushing
> problem, and if so how to fix since a new part from Van's may or may not
> sovle the problem. Jay Rowe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 2:10 PM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>
>
>> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>
>> Okay, I found the problem to be that the bushing receiver is not welded
>> parallel to the receiver of the control stick. So no matter what, the
>> bow
>> in the control stick is angled toward the co pilot's right knee.
>>
>> In addition, the bushing reveiver is reemed out oversize for the O.D. of
>> the bushing and this further complicates things as the bushing is loose
>> inside the receiver and the column has a lot of play.
>>
>> My bushings came Begee tied inside the bushing collar. In other words, I
>> didn't cause the oversize issue.
>>
>> I am returning the pieces to Van's.
>>
>> JOhn
>>
>>
>>>From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>>>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 07:18:22 -0700
>>>
>>> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Worked with the level a bit yesterday, will do the other suggestons
>>> today.
>>>
>>>john
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>>>>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:53:29 -0400
>>>>
>>>> <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>>>
>>>>Try disconnecting them from each other and hold them parallel and see
>>>> how
>>>>close you can get them. One way to test it is to measure the distance
>>>>between the bases (on center) and then again at the same point on both
>>>> of
>>>>the vertical parts. If this doesn't work, you can put a level on one
>>>>stick
>>>>(the one that you are comfortable with) and get it plumb. Then measure
>>>>the
>>>>distance between the stick and the side wall of the plane. Now use
>>>> this
>>>>same measurement between the other stick and the side wall. If you
>>>> can't
>>>>get it perfect, pick a place on the stick that is the most important
>>>> and
>>>>get
>>>>that as close as you can.
>>>>
>>>>This is the best I can suggest.
>>>>
>>>>Jesse Saint
>>>>Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>>>jesse@saintaviation.com
>>>>www.saintaviation.com
>>>>Cell: 352-427-0285
>>>>Fax: 815-377-3694
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
>>>> Gonzalez
>>>>Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:28 AM
>>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>>>>
>>>> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>>
>>>>Jesse,
>>>>
>>>>You are completely correct in your understanding of what I said. I have
>>>>spent some time trying to just get the two straight portions parallel,
>>>>but
>>>>it doesn't seem to be gettng there.
>>>>
>>>>JOhn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>>> >To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>> >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>>>> >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:26:19 -0400
>>>> >
>>>> ><jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>>> >
>>>> >The vertical portion at the top of the stick is the most important
>>>> part
>>>>to
>>>> >get lined up, This can be adjusted by adjusting the rod that
>>>> connects
>>>>the
>>>> >two sticks. I think I hear you saying, however, that the half-moon
>>>> >part
>>>>of
>>>> >the stick is not pointing directly forward. Is this correct? I
>>>> don't
>>>> >think
>>>> >this is a crucial, although it might not looks as good as it could.
>>>> If
>>>>I
>>>> >am
>>>> >completely misunderstanding, send a picture with a line drawn that
>>>> >exaggerates the problem and I may be able to offer something. I
>>>> >haven't
>>>> >seen any problems in the welded steel parts in this area in the 5
>>>> >planes
>>>> >that I have helped with.
>>>> >
>>>> >Do not archive
>>>> >
>>>> >Jesse Saint
>>>> >Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>>> >jesse@saintaviation.com
>>>> >www.saintaviation.com
>>>> >Cell: 352-427-0285
>>>> >Fax: 815-377-3694
>>>> >
>>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>>> >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
>>>> >Gonzalez
>>>> >Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:41 PM
>>>> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>> >Subject: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>>>> >
>>>><indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>> >
>>>> >I noticed that I will not be able to parallel the two colums.
>>>>Irrespective
>>>> >of my rotation of my stick as it goes into the column, now that both
>>>> >are
>>>> >setup in the plane, I can see that my copilot stick is angled more
>>>> out
>>>> >toward the front right.
>>>> >
>>>> >What I am trying to say is that the plane of the entire stick is
>>>> aiming
>>>> >toward the right(The plane being the base, the curve and the top hand
>>>>grip
>>>> >area as if it was laying on a flat table). It looks like the
>>>> receiver
>>>>in
>>>> >the column for the copilots side is angled out.
>>>> >
>>>> >With this, I will never get the stick parallel. They are not in the
>>>> >same
>>>> >plane. No it can't be corrected by rotating the shaft and redrilling.
>>>> >It
>>>>is
>>>> >the column that is out of toe per say.
>>>> >
>>>> >Did anyone else notice this on their controls? I think, like the
>>>>elevator
>>>> >control horns, there might be a sufficient deviation between rt and
>>>> lf
>>>>in
>>>> >the tooling.
>>>> >
>>>> >The pilots side control stick's plane looks perfectly oreinted
>>>> straight
>>>> >ahead.
>>>> >
>>>> >I don't think the hand grip portion will be that noticeble to one
>>>> >flying
>>>> >the
>>>> >
>>>> >plane from either side.
>>>> >
>>>> >Any other ideas other that getting a new column and stick or just
>>>>leaving
>>>> >it
>>>> >
>>>> >alone?
>>>> >
>>>> >John G.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >--
>>>> >11:27 AM
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>11:27 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
>
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The only problem is that I will be out there for a wedding in San Antonio,
so I will be busy Friday night at the rehearsal dinner and Saturday
afternoon for the wedding (that I am filming). I would be able to visit
Friday during the day and possibly early Saturday morning, but couldn't
stay very long on Saturday. I do like the sound of the BBQ, though. I
assume most of ya'll out there work on Fridays, so won't be at the
airport. Am I wrong?
Let me know.
Jesse
>
> Jesse,
>
> If you can make it call me at (512) 965-0807 and I'll put together a
> welcoming committee. You gotta try our world famous bar-b-que.
>
> Mark
>
>
>>From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: KSAT visit
>>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:55:08 -0400
>>
>>
>>I'm sorry to say that I am driving there with my family, so I will just
>> go
>>with 87 Octane for, hopefully, less than $2.90/gal. I will try to get
>> over
>>there, though.
>>
>>Do not archive.
>>
>>Jesse Saint
>>Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>jesse@saintaviation.com
>>www.saintaviation.com
>>Cell: 352-427-0285
>>Fax: 815-377-3694
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ritter
>>Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 7:43 AM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: KSAT visit
>>
>>
>>Jesse,
>>
>>Come over to Lockhart (50R) which is about 50 miles from San Antonio when
>>you get over this way. There are several builders at the airport
>> including
>>an RV-10 being fitted with a two rotor Mazda (very interesting). I'll
>> be
>>back from a whale watching trip to Baja in my RV-10 N410MR.
>>
>>KBAZ has $2.90 100LL.
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>
>> >From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>> >To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> >Subject: RE: RV10-List: KSAT visit
>> >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:27:02 -0400
>> >
>> <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>> >
>> >And I'll be out there on April 6th. I would love to visit a project or
>>two
>> >in the area.
>> >
>> >Do not archive
>> >
>> >Jesse Saint
>> >Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> >jesse@saintaviation.com
>> >www.saintaviation.com
>> >Cell: 352-427-0285
>> >Fax: 815-377-3694
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darton Steve
>> >Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 3:29 PM
>> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> >Subject: RV10-List: KSAT visit
>> >
>> >
>> >I will be I San Antonio, Texas. Any builders that
>> >would like a helping hand this Monday and Tuesday?
>> >
>> >Steve 40212
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >11:27 AM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Jesse,
Friday works for me if that is the best day for you.
Mark
>From: jesse@saintaviation.com
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: KSAT visit
>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:04:43 -0500 (CDT)
>
>
>The only problem is that I will be out there for a wedding in San Antonio,
>so I will be busy Friday night at the rehearsal dinner and Saturday
>afternoon for the wedding (that I am filming). I would be able to visit
>Friday during the day and possibly early Saturday morning, but couldn't
>stay very long on Saturday. I do like the sound of the BBQ, though. I
>assume most of ya'll out there work on Fridays, so won't be at the
>airport. Am I wrong?
>
>Let me know.
>
>Jesse
>
> >
> > Jesse,
> >
> > If you can make it call me at (512) 965-0807 and I'll put together a
> > welcoming committee. You gotta try our world famous bar-b-que.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
> >>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >>Subject: RE: RV10-List: KSAT visit
> >>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:55:08 -0400
> >>
> >>
> >>I'm sorry to say that I am driving there with my family, so I will just
> >> go
> >>with 87 Octane for, hopefully, less than $2.90/gal. I will try to get
> >> over
> >>there, though.
> >>
> >>Do not archive.
> >>
> >>Jesse Saint
> >>Saint Aviation, Inc.
> >>jesse@saintaviation.com
> >>www.saintaviation.com
> >>Cell: 352-427-0285
> >>Fax: 815-377-3694
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ritter
> >>Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 7:43 AM
> >>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: RE: RV10-List: KSAT visit
> >>
> >>
> >>Jesse,
> >>
> >>Come over to Lockhart (50R) which is about 50 miles from San Antonio
>when
> >>you get over this way. There are several builders at the airport
> >> including
> >>an RV-10 being fitted with a two rotor Mazda (very interesting). I'll
> >> be
> >>back from a whale watching trip to Baja in my RV-10 N410MR.
> >>
> >>KBAZ has $2.90 100LL.
> >>
> >>Mark
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
> >> >To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >> >Subject: RE: RV10-List: KSAT visit
> >> >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:27:02 -0400
> >> >
> >> <jesse@saintaviation.com>
> >> >
> >> >And I'll be out there on April 6th. I would love to visit a project
>or
> >>two
> >> >in the area.
> >> >
> >> >Do not archive
> >> >
> >> >Jesse Saint
> >> >Saint Aviation, Inc.
> >> >jesse@saintaviation.com
> >> >www.saintaviation.com
> >> >Cell: 352-427-0285
> >> >Fax: 815-377-3694
> >> >
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >> >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darton
>Steve
> >> >Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 3:29 PM
> >> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >> >Subject: RV10-List: KSAT visit
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >I will be I San Antonio, Texas. Any builders that
> >> >would like a helping hand this Monday and Tuesday?
> >> >
> >> >Steve 40212
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We are staying at Punta Chivato and flying over to San Ignacio Lagoon for
whale watching and Tortuga for lobster. Been to the area several times and
never had a problem but thanks for the advice. Baja Bush Pilots is a great
source for information for anyone interested in making the trip.
>From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: KSAT visit
>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 07:14:40 -0700
>
>
>My father and his girlfriend just came back from San Ignacio Bay and they
>had a great time with the whales. Make sure you lock up your propeller and
>everything else. The Cartels love to steal planes, use them for one run and
>ditch em.
>
>Have fun!
>
>John G.
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>>From: "Mark Ritter" <mritter509@msn.com>
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: KSAT visit
>>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 06:42:58 -0500
>>
>>
>>Jesse,
>>
>>Come over to Lockhart (50R) which is about 50 miles from San Antonio when
>>you get over this way. There are several builders at the airport
>>including an RV-10 being fitted with a two rotor Mazda (very interesting).
>> I'll be back from a whale watching trip to Baja in my RV-10 N410MR.
>>
>>KBAZ has $2.90 100LL.
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>
>>>From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: KSAT visit
>>>Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:27:02 -0400
>>>
>>>
>>>And I'll be out there on April 6th. I would love to visit a project or
>>>two
>>>in the area.
>>>
>>>Do not archive
>>>
>>>Jesse Saint
>>>Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>>jesse@saintaviation.com
>>>www.saintaviation.com
>>>Cell: 352-427-0285
>>>Fax: 815-377-3694
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darton Steve
>>>Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 3:29 PM
>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: RV10-List: KSAT visit
>>>
>>>
>>>I will be I San Antonio, Texas. Any builders that
>>>would like a helping hand this Monday and Tuesday?
>>>
>>>Steve 40212
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go
>>>with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.
>>>http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Paralleling the control columns |
This time I'm not going to say much on this subject, as I'm
tired of the ranting. But, depending on who you talk
to, that bushing can be designed to rotate around on the
weldment, or rotate around on the bolt. In the end, if you
have no slop, you have no problem, and if you fix the slop
by either buying material and making and oversized bushing,
or affixing the bushing to the weldment with gap filler
material so it rotates on the bolt, you can eliminate the
issue. And despite all the ranting, either way will work,
and you will very likely see very long service life from
that point on. I think I fixed mine about a hundred hours
ago or so, and it's been working great and inspected
perfect this year at condition inspection time.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying 204 hours and couting
do not archive
Jay Rowe wrote:
>
> John: I did not have the misalignment problem that has plaugued you but
> one of my control pieces also had a loose bushing. But, of course, I
> didn't realize that until I had the controls all in place. The result,
> on the pilot's side, is about a 1/4 inch of fore and aft stick wiggle.
> There is just the slightest of wiggle on the co-pilot's side. Much less
> than in my 172 but still irritating. I have not replaced the part yet
> and I don't know if I should? I just wonder if other folks are having
> this loose bushing problem, and if so how to fix since a new part from
> Van's may or may not sovle the problem. Jay Rowe
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 2:10 PM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>
>
>>
>> Okay, I found the problem to be that the bushing receiver is not
>> welded parallel to the receiver of the control stick. So no matter
>> what, the bow in the control stick is angled toward the co pilot's
>> right knee.
>>
>> In addition, the bushing reveiver is reemed out oversize for the O.D.
>> of the bushing and this further complicates things as the bushing is
>> loose inside the receiver and the column has a lot of play.
>>
>> My bushings came Begee tied inside the bushing collar. In other words,
>> I didn't cause the oversize issue.
>>
>> I am returning the pieces to Van's.
>>
>> JOhn
>>
>>
>>> From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>>> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 07:18:22 -0700
>>>
>>> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Worked with the level a bit yesterday, will do the other suggestons
>>> today.
>>>
>>> john
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>>>> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:53:29 -0400
>>>>
>>>> <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>>>
>>>> Try disconnecting them from each other and hold them parallel and
>>>> see how
>>>> close you can get them. One way to test it is to measure the distance
>>>> between the bases (on center) and then again at the same point on
>>>> both of
>>>> the vertical parts. If this doesn't work, you can put a level on
>>>> one stick
>>>> (the one that you are comfortable with) and get it plumb. Then
>>>> measure the
>>>> distance between the stick and the side wall of the plane. Now use
>>>> this
>>>> same measurement between the other stick and the side wall. If you
>>>> can't
>>>> get it perfect, pick a place on the stick that is the most important
>>>> and get
>>>> that as close as you can.
>>>>
>>>> This is the best I can suggest.
>>>>
>>>> Jesse Saint
>>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>>>> www.saintaviation.com
>>>> Cell: 352-427-0285
>>>> Fax: 815-377-3694
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
>>>> Gonzalez
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:28 AM
>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>>>>
>>>> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>>
>>>> Jesse,
>>>>
>>>> You are completely correct in your understanding of what I said. I have
>>>> spent some time trying to just get the two straight portions
>>>> parallel, but
>>>> it doesn't seem to be gettng there.
>>>>
>>>> JOhn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>>> >To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>> >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>>>> >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:26:19 -0400
>>>> >
>>>> ><jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>>> >
>>>> >The vertical portion at the top of the stick is the most important
>>>> part
>>>> to
>>>> >get lined up, This can be adjusted by adjusting the rod that connects
>>>> the
>>>> >two sticks. I think I hear you saying, however, that the half-moon
>>>> >part
>>>> of
>>>> >the stick is not pointing directly forward. Is this correct? I don't
>>>> >think
>>>> >this is a crucial, although it might not looks as good as it
>>>> could. If
>>>> I
>>>> >am
>>>> >completely misunderstanding, send a picture with a line drawn that
>>>> >exaggerates the problem and I may be able to offer something. I
>>>> >haven't
>>>> >seen any problems in the welded steel parts in this area in the 5
>>>> >planes
>>>> >that I have helped with.
>>>> >
>>>> >Do not archive
>>>> >
>>>> >Jesse Saint
>>>> >Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>>> >jesse@saintaviation.com
>>>> >www.saintaviation.com
>>>> >Cell: 352-427-0285
>>>> >Fax: 815-377-3694
>>>> >
>>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>>> >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
>>>> >Gonzalez
>>>> >Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:41 PM
>>>> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>> >Subject: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>>>> >
>>>> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>> >
>>>> >I noticed that I will not be able to parallel the two colums.
>>>> Irrespective
>>>> >of my rotation of my stick as it goes into the column, now that
>>>> both >are
>>>> >setup in the plane, I can see that my copilot stick is angled more out
>>>> >toward the front right.
>>>> >
>>>> >What I am trying to say is that the plane of the entire stick is
>>>> aiming
>>>> >toward the right(The plane being the base, the curve and the top hand
>>>> grip
>>>> >area as if it was laying on a flat table). It looks like the receiver
>>>> in
>>>> >the column for the copilots side is angled out.
>>>> >
>>>> >With this, I will never get the stick parallel. They are not in the
>>>> >same
>>>> >plane. No it can't be corrected by rotating the shaft and
>>>> redrilling. >It
>>>> is
>>>> >the column that is out of toe per say.
>>>> >
>>>> >Did anyone else notice this on their controls? I think, like the
>>>> elevator
>>>> >control horns, there might be a sufficient deviation between rt and lf
>>>> in
>>>> >the tooling.
>>>> >
>>>> >The pilots side control stick's plane looks perfectly oreinted
>>>> straight
>>>> >ahead.
>>>> >
>>>> >I don't think the hand grip portion will be that noticeble to one
>>>> >flying
>>>> >the
>>>> >
>>>> >plane from either side.
>>>> >
>>>> >Any other ideas other that getting a new column and stick or just
>>>> leaving
>>>> >it
>>>> >
>>>> >alone?
>>>> >
>>>> >John G.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >--
>>>> >11:27 AM
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> 11:27 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Paralleling the control columns |
Thank you all for the input. The mechanism, as I understand it is this.
Prefered relationship of all parts:
Bushing inside the weldment should glide/rotate, but should not be slopy.
Bolt inside the bushing should glide/ rotate, but no slop
Bushing should be the exact length as the inner distance of the fork it goes
into. (The fork of the cross member which ties the columns together)
The bushing reciever/ weldment should be 1/32" shorter than bushing and
absolutely no more than 1/16" shorter than Bushing.
This should elimate any slop.
NOTE:
I haven't hooked up to the wings, nor have I finished the pushod in the
wings, but with nothing but the sticks hooked up. When one pushes the stick
to full right or left then push full backward(UP) on the stick, the nut that
anchors the cross member to the stick column reciever gets stuck on the
vertical peice that has the bearing that makes up the forward part of the
seat.
I imagine there are aileron stops on the bellcranks inside the wing that
will prevent this from happening in real
flight.....RIGHT???????????????????????????
JOhn G. 409
Ideally the bushing should rotate in the weldment AN 4 bolt should be able
to rotate inside the bishing but with no lateral play.
>From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:20:44 -0500
>
>
>This time I'm not going to say much on this subject, as I'm
>tired of the ranting. But, depending on who you talk
>to, that bushing can be designed to rotate around on the
>weldment, or rotate around on the bolt. In the end, if you
>have no slop, you have no problem, and if you fix the slop
>by either buying material and making and oversized bushing,
>or affixing the bushing to the weldment with gap filler
>material so it rotates on the bolt, you can eliminate the
>issue. And despite all the ranting, either way will work,
>and you will very likely see very long service life from
>that point on. I think I fixed mine about a hundred hours
>ago or so, and it's been working great and inspected
>perfect this year at condition inspection time.
>
>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying 204 hours and couting
>do not archive
>
>
>Jay Rowe wrote:
>>
>>John: I did not have the misalignment problem that has plaugued you but
>>one of my control pieces also had a loose bushing. But, of course, I
>>didn't realize that until I had the controls all in place. The result, on
>>the pilot's side, is about a 1/4 inch of fore and aft stick wiggle. There
>>is just the slightest of wiggle on the co-pilot's side. Much less than in
>>my 172 but still irritating. I have not replaced the part yet and I don't
>>know if I should? I just wonder if other folks are having this loose
>>bushing problem, and if so how to fix since a new part from Van's may or
>>may not sovle the problem. Jay Rowe
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gonzalez"
>><indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 2:10 PM
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Okay, I found the problem to be that the bushing receiver is not welded
>>>parallel to the receiver of the control stick. So no matter what, the bow
>>>in the control stick is angled toward the co pilot's right knee.
>>>
>>>In addition, the bushing reveiver is reemed out oversize for the O.D. of
>>>the bushing and this further complicates things as the bushing is loose
>>>inside the receiver and the column has a lot of play.
>>>
>>>My bushings came Begee tied inside the bushing collar. In other words, I
>>>didn't cause the oversize issue.
>>>
>>>I am returning the pieces to Van's.
>>>
>>>JOhn
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>>>>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 07:18:22 -0700
>>>>
>>>><indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Worked with the level a bit yesterday, will do the other suggestons
>>>>today.
>>>>
>>>>john
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>>>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>>>>>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:53:29 -0400
>>>>>
>>>>><jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>Try disconnecting them from each other and hold them parallel and see
>>>>>how
>>>>>close you can get them. One way to test it is to measure the distance
>>>>>between the bases (on center) and then again at the same point on both
>>>>>of
>>>>>the vertical parts. If this doesn't work, you can put a level on one
>>>>>stick
>>>>>(the one that you are comfortable with) and get it plumb. Then measure
>>>>>the
>>>>>distance between the stick and the side wall of the plane. Now use
>>>>>this
>>>>>same measurement between the other stick and the side wall. If you
>>>>>can't
>>>>>get it perfect, pick a place on the stick that is the most important
>>>>>and get
>>>>>that as close as you can.
>>>>>
>>>>>This is the best I can suggest.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jesse Saint
>>>>>Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>>>>jesse@saintaviation.com
>>>>>www.saintaviation.com
>>>>>Cell: 352-427-0285
>>>>>Fax: 815-377-3694
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
>>>>>Gonzalez
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:28 AM
>>>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>>>>>
>>>>><indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>Jesse,
>>>>>
>>>>>You are completely correct in your understanding of what I said. I have
>>>>>spent some time trying to just get the two straight portions parallel,
>>>>>but
>>>>>it doesn't seem to be gettng there.
>>>>>
>>>>>JOhn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>>>> >To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>>> >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>>>>> >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:26:19 -0400
>>>>> >
>>>>> ><jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >The vertical portion at the top of the stick is the most important
>>>>>part
>>>>>to
>>>>> >get lined up, This can be adjusted by adjusting the rod that
>>>>>connects
>>>>>the
>>>>> >two sticks. I think I hear you saying, however, that the half-moon
>>>>> >part
>>>>>of
>>>>> >the stick is not pointing directly forward. Is this correct? I
>>>>>don't
>>>>> >think
>>>>> >this is a crucial, although it might not looks as good as it could.
>>>>>If
>>>>>I
>>>>> >am
>>>>> >completely misunderstanding, send a picture with a line drawn that
>>>>> >exaggerates the problem and I may be able to offer something. I
>>>>> >haven't
>>>>> >seen any problems in the welded steel parts in this area in the 5
>>>>> >planes
>>>>> >that I have helped with.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Do not archive
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Jesse Saint
>>>>> >Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>>>> >jesse@saintaviation.com
>>>>> >www.saintaviation.com
>>>>> >Cell: 352-427-0285
>>>>> >Fax: 815-377-3694
>>>>> >
>>>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>>>> >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>> >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
>>>>> >Gonzalez
>>>>> >Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:41 PM
>>>>> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>>> >Subject: RV10-List: Paralleling the control columns
>>>>> >
>>>>><indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I noticed that I will not be able to parallel the two colums.
>>>>>Irrespective
>>>>> >of my rotation of my stick as it goes into the column, now that both
>>>>> >are
>>>>> >setup in the plane, I can see that my copilot stick is angled more
>>>>>out
>>>>> >toward the front right.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >What I am trying to say is that the plane of the entire stick is
>>>>>aiming
>>>>> >toward the right(The plane being the base, the curve and the top hand
>>>>>grip
>>>>> >area as if it was laying on a flat table). It looks like the
>>>>>receiver
>>>>>in
>>>>> >the column for the copilots side is angled out.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >With this, I will never get the stick parallel. They are not in the
>>>>> >same
>>>>> >plane. No it can't be corrected by rotating the shaft and redrilling.
>>>>> >It
>>>>>is
>>>>> >the column that is out of toe per say.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Did anyone else notice this on their controls? I think, like the
>>>>>elevator
>>>>> >control horns, there might be a sufficient deviation between rt and
>>>>>lf
>>>>>in
>>>>> >the tooling.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >The pilots side control stick's plane looks perfectly oreinted
>>>>>straight
>>>>> >ahead.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I don't think the hand grip portion will be that noticeble to one
>>>>> >flying
>>>>> >the
>>>>> >
>>>>> >plane from either side.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Any other ideas other that getting a new column and stick or just
>>>>>leaving
>>>>> >it
>>>>> >
>>>>> >alone?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >John G.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >--
>>>>> >11:27 AM
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>11:27 AM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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