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1. 09:27 AM - Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons (Tim Olson)
2. 10:47 AM - Re: Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons (Jesse Saint)
3. 11:05 AM - Re: Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons (Tim Olson)
4. 04:40 PM - Re: Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons (Tom Deutsch)
5. 05:20 PM - Re: Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons (Tim Olson)
6. 07:48 PM - Re: Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons (John Jessen)
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| Subject: | Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons |
Yesterday I was looking for something to do for an hour
to waste some time, and I decided to look at my ailerons.
Some old-timers in the RV-10 lifetime may remember Randy had
problems with his ailerons being rigged low, causing a reduction
in stop speed. Well, I didn't think mine were originally
rigged bad. It was strange, as sometimes I would look at the
ailerons in the hanger and the would be perfectly in-line with
the wingtips and flaps. Then other times I'd look at them
in flight and the ailerons would be low on both sides just
a small amount. I would get done flying and look at them
and they'd be fine. I didn't know what to make of it. I thought
maybe it was a lift or loading issue in-flight, but I just
didn't know for sure. Didn't concern me much because it flew
great for over 200 hours that way, but it did bug me that when
I flew with people like Vic, he could notice that kind of thing.
It's like having your fly down in public. ;)
So anyway, I centered the sticks yesterday and they were OK in the
hanger with the sticks neutral, but maybe off by a little more than
1/8" per side. So I thought I'd adjust them. I strapped the seatbelt
around the stick to keep them centered tight, and lo and behold the
ailerons were now in-line very nicely.
It was then that I realized that the small amount of travel induced
in the ailerons with the elevator movement was the entire issue.
So I used my aileron/rudder gust lock which centers the elevator and
centered the sticks. Yeehaw, there was what I was looking for!
The ailerons were now drooped about maybe 1/4" per side or
so. So it WAS the elevator control, and in-flight the elevators
are neutral. Time to adjust.
When all was said and done, I had them adjusted to be matched with
the wingtips and flaps in-flight, and I put about 2.5 hours on.
It flies the same...not sure about speed as I never really try to
fly top speed, but it looks nicer in cruise and can't hurt.
So use that tip when you're rigging your ailerons for flight, and
perhaps you'll not have to go over a year and 200 hours with
droopy tips like I did.
Tim
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Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons |
I am sitting here wondering what could cause that. It must be the change
in angle between the stick and the bellcrank in the wing root. That
little change in angle must make enough difference that it changes the
height. I have not noticed this, but it is a good observation. Thanks
for pointing it out. It probably will give you a little bit of speed, as
Randy's did. You will be able to sleep better now knowing that, even
though you may not have measured it, you will be getting that extra knott.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
352-427-0285
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Yesterday I was looking for something to do for an hour
> to waste some time, and I decided to look at my ailerons.
> Some old-timers in the RV-10 lifetime may remember Randy had
> problems with his ailerons being rigged low, causing a reduction
> in stop speed. Well, I didn't think mine were originally
> rigged bad. It was strange, as sometimes I would look at the
> ailerons in the hanger and the would be perfectly in-line with
> the wingtips and flaps. Then other times I'd look at them
> in flight and the ailerons would be low on both sides just
> a small amount. I would get done flying and look at them
> and they'd be fine. I didn't know what to make of it. I thought
> maybe it was a lift or loading issue in-flight, but I just
> didn't know for sure. Didn't concern me much because it flew
> great for over 200 hours that way, but it did bug me that when
> I flew with people like Vic, he could notice that kind of thing.
> It's like having your fly down in public. ;)
>
> So anyway, I centered the sticks yesterday and they were OK in the
> hanger with the sticks neutral, but maybe off by a little more than
> 1/8" per side. So I thought I'd adjust them. I strapped the seatbelt
> around the stick to keep them centered tight, and lo and behold the
> ailerons were now in-line very nicely.
>
> It was then that I realized that the small amount of travel induced
> in the ailerons with the elevator movement was the entire issue.
> So I used my aileron/rudder gust lock which centers the elevator and
> centered the sticks. Yeehaw, there was what I was looking for!
> The ailerons were now drooped about maybe 1/4" per side or
> so. So it WAS the elevator control, and in-flight the elevators
> are neutral. Time to adjust.
>
> When all was said and done, I had them adjusted to be matched with
> the wingtips and flaps in-flight, and I put about 2.5 hours on.
> It flies the same...not sure about speed as I never really try to
> fly top speed, but it looks nicer in cruise and can't hurt.
>
> So use that tip when you're rigging your ailerons for flight, and
> perhaps you'll not have to go over a year and 200 hours with
> droopy tips like I did.
>
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons |
I pro'ly shoulda said "Wow, when I flew I noticed I had picked up an
extra 8 kts of speed!" That could have been the start of a great
hanger-flying wive's tale type story.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Jesse Saint wrote:
>
> I am sitting here wondering what could cause that. It must be the change
> in angle between the stick and the bellcrank in the wing root. That
> little change in angle must make enough difference that it changes the
> height. I have not noticed this, but it is a good observation. Thanks
> for pointing it out. It probably will give you a little bit of speed, as
> Randy's did. You will be able to sleep better now knowing that, even
> though you may not have measured it, you will be getting that extra knott.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> www.saintaviation.com
> 352-427-0285
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> Yesterday I was looking for something to do for an hour
>> to waste some time, and I decided to look at my ailerons.
>> Some old-timers in the RV-10 lifetime may remember Randy had
>> problems with his ailerons being rigged low, causing a reduction
>> in stop speed. Well, I didn't think mine were originally
>> rigged bad. It was strange, as sometimes I would look at the
>> ailerons in the hanger and the would be perfectly in-line with
>> the wingtips and flaps. Then other times I'd look at them
>> in flight and the ailerons would be low on both sides just
>> a small amount. I would get done flying and look at them
>> and they'd be fine. I didn't know what to make of it. I thought
>> maybe it was a lift or loading issue in-flight, but I just
>> didn't know for sure. Didn't concern me much because it flew
>> great for over 200 hours that way, but it did bug me that when
>> I flew with people like Vic, he could notice that kind of thing.
>> It's like having your fly down in public. ;)
>>
>> So anyway, I centered the sticks yesterday and they were OK in the
>> hanger with the sticks neutral, but maybe off by a little more than
>> 1/8" per side. So I thought I'd adjust them. I strapped the seatbelt
>> around the stick to keep them centered tight, and lo and behold the
>> ailerons were now in-line very nicely.
>>
>> It was then that I realized that the small amount of travel induced
>> in the ailerons with the elevator movement was the entire issue.
>> So I used my aileron/rudder gust lock which centers the elevator and
>> centered the sticks. Yeehaw, there was what I was looking for!
>> The ailerons were now drooped about maybe 1/4" per side or
>> so. So it WAS the elevator control, and in-flight the elevators
>> are neutral. Time to adjust.
>>
>> When all was said and done, I had them adjusted to be matched with
>> the wingtips and flaps in-flight, and I put about 2.5 hours on.
>> It flies the same...not sure about speed as I never really try to
>> fly top speed, but it looks nicer in cruise and can't hurt.
>>
>> So use that tip when you're rigging your ailerons for flight, and
>> perhaps you'll not have to go over a year and 200 hours with
>> droopy tips like I did.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> --
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons |
Tim did you do the adjustment in the bell crank to aileron rod? How
many turns did it take? One end or both equally?
Tom Deutsch #40545 FAA inspection Friday-hope to fly Saturday or Sunday.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 11:28 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons
Yesterday I was looking for something to do for an hour
to waste some time, and I decided to look at my ailerons.
Some old-timers in the RV-10 lifetime may remember Randy had
problems with his ailerons being rigged low, causing a reduction
in stop speed. Well, I didn't think mine were originally
rigged bad. It was strange, as sometimes I would look at the
ailerons in the hanger and the would be perfectly in-line with
the wingtips and flaps. Then other times I'd look at them
in flight and the ailerons would be low on both sides just
a small amount. I would get done flying and look at them
and they'd be fine. I didn't know what to make of it. I thought
maybe it was a lift or loading issue in-flight, but I just
didn't know for sure. Didn't concern me much because it flew
great for over 200 hours that way, but it did bug me that when
I flew with people like Vic, he could notice that kind of thing.
It's like having your fly down in public. ;)
So anyway, I centered the sticks yesterday and they were OK in the
hanger with the sticks neutral, but maybe off by a little more than
1/8" per side. So I thought I'd adjust them. I strapped the seatbelt
around the stick to keep them centered tight, and lo and behold the
ailerons were now in-line very nicely.
It was then that I realized that the small amount of travel induced
in the ailerons with the elevator movement was the entire issue.
So I used my aileron/rudder gust lock which centers the elevator and
centered the sticks. Yeehaw, there was what I was looking for!
The ailerons were now drooped about maybe 1/4" per side or
so. So it WAS the elevator control, and in-flight the elevators
are neutral. Time to adjust.
When all was said and done, I had them adjusted to be matched with
the wingtips and flaps in-flight, and I put about 2.5 hours on.
It flies the same...not sure about speed as I never really try to
fly top speed, but it looks nicer in cruise and can't hurt.
So use that tip when you're rigging your ailerons for flight, and
perhaps you'll not have to go over a year and 200 hours with
droopy tips like I did.
Tim
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons |
I can't say for sure how many turns. I just did it one or two
turns at a time until it got close and then a half turn whichever
way I needed. On one side I did the adjustment on both ends,
shortening the rods slightly. I found that it's nearly impossible
to remove the aft rod end to spin it, so on those I loosened the
locknut on the rod end with the inside on the belcrank disconnected
so I could move the aileron to provide access to the locknut (may
need to put the flaps down). Then I could spin the rod while
the end stayed put on the aft ends. On the forward ends, I could
just spin the rod end. It was kind of a tight work area, but
I just took my time and got it right.
PS: Good luck on your first flight!!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Tom Deutsch wrote:
>
> Tim did you do the adjustment in the bell crank to aileron rod? How
> many turns did it take? One end or both equally?
>
> Tom Deutsch #40545 FAA inspection Friday-hope to fly Saturday or Sunday.
>
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| Subject: | Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons |
Tom, good luck! Fly safe.
John J
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Deutsch
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 4:39 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons
Tim did you do the adjustment in the bell crank to aileron rod? How many
turns did it take? One end or both equally?
Tom Deutsch #40545 FAA inspection Friday-hope to fly Saturday or Sunday.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 11:28 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons
Yesterday I was looking for something to do for an hour to waste some time,
and I decided to look at my ailerons.
Some old-timers in the RV-10 lifetime may remember Randy had problems with
his ailerons being rigged low, causing a reduction
in stop speed. Well, I didn't think mine were originally
rigged bad. It was strange, as sometimes I would look at the ailerons in
the hanger and the would be perfectly in-line with the wingtips and flaps.
Then other times I'd look at them in flight and the ailerons would be low on
both sides just
a small amount. I would get done flying and look at them
and they'd be fine. I didn't know what to make of it. I thought maybe it
was a lift or loading issue in-flight, but I just didn't know for sure.
Didn't concern me much because it flew great for over 200 hours that way,
but it did bug me that when I flew with people like Vic, he could notice
that kind of thing.
It's like having your fly down in public. ;)
So anyway, I centered the sticks yesterday and they were OK in the hanger
with the sticks neutral, but maybe off by a little more than 1/8" per side.
So I thought I'd adjust them. I strapped the seatbelt around the stick to
keep them centered tight, and lo and behold the ailerons were now in-line
very nicely.
It was then that I realized that the small amount of travel induced in the
ailerons with the elevator movement was the entire issue.
So I used my aileron/rudder gust lock which centers the elevator and
centered the sticks. Yeehaw, there was what I was looking for!
The ailerons were now drooped about maybe 1/4" per side or so. So it WAS the
elevator control, and in-flight the elevators are neutral. Time to adjust.
When all was said and done, I had them adjusted to be matched with the
wingtips and flaps in-flight, and I put about 2.5 hours on.
It flies the same...not sure about speed as I never really try to fly top
speed, but it looks nicer in cruise and can't hurt.
So use that tip when you're rigging your ailerons for flight, and perhaps
you'll not have to go over a year and 200 hours with droopy tips like I did.
Tim
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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