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1. 06:36 AM - Re: Gascolator requirement (jimandlaura)
2. 08:05 AM - Looking for Engine Primer (Don Duke)
3. 09:16 AM - Re: AE Fuel Guardian Sensor Locations (Jay Wik)
4. 09:16 AM - Re: AE Fuel Guardian Sensor Locations (Scott Schmidt)
5. 10:05 AM - Re: AE Fuel Guardian Sensor Locations (Chris Johnston)
6. 12:20 PM - Waterjet Cutting (Jesse Saint)
7. 04:02 PM - Re: Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons (Mark Lanier)
8. 04:11 PM - Re: AE Fuel Guardian Sensor Locations (Mark Lanier)
9. 04:17 PM - Re: AE Fuel Guardian Sensor Locations (Mark Lanier)
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| Subject: | Re: Gascolator requirement |
Ted,
I put two gascolators in my RV-6. One in each wingroot. Believe it or not, there
is room, but it would be difficult to install with your wings on. I put them
just in front of the spar and low enough so the drain was below the wingroot
fairings. Maintenance was a bit of a pain, especially the safety wire after cleaning.
However, it was well worth it. During the first year of flying, it filtered
a lot of debris out of the line. The debris was mainly thin pieces of pro-seal
from the edges of the fillets (sp?) inside the tanks. It's way better to
catch the crap there in you wingroot, then let it get into your valve and fuel
pumps.
I got the idea from an old Rviator and it worked great. I'm glad I did it on the
6 and I'm planning to do the same on the 10.
v/r, Jim
#40191
Finishing kit almost here!
I just had the final inspection on my RV-10 in Kelowna. Everything went well but
Transport Canada is insisting that I need to install a gascolator at the lowest
point in the fuel system.
I don't see how to install a gascolator at the lowest point, which has to be the
tank outlets. I want it on the downstream side of the fuel pump, and the only
mounting choices I see is to mount it on the firewall somewhere.
Has anyone else mounted a gascolator and if so where did you mount it.
I'm open to suggestions
Ted French C-FXCS
RV-10 almost ready to go.
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| Subject: | Looking for Engine Primer |
Looking for engine primer - Kohler, or Essex 'push-pull' type for use on
carbureted O-360.
Thanks!
Don Duke
swift@fuse.net
Hm: 513.321.4745
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| Subject: | Re: AE Fuel Guardian Sensor Locations |
We must be in the same spot. I was looking for the same thing and found
photo's on Chris Johnston's web page. I didn't see how he arrived at
his location. He talks about it under "Tanks - Final assembly" and
states the position he has will alarm at 5.5gallons. Link to his site
is below.
http://www.perfectlygoodairplane.net/
Jay Wik
#40536 Fuel tanks
Mark Lanier wrote:
> I'm trying to avoid having to seal the tanks and fill them (per the
> instructions) in order to get a sensor location. Does anyone have
> accurate locating dimensions for the sensors on the inboard rib and
> the corresponding fuel quantity they show.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>
> Mark Lanier
> #519
> www.lanier-rv10.com
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| Subject: | Re: AE Fuel Guardian Sensor Locations |
Here is a picture of my location. I filled the tanks up with 5 gallons to get
this location. I am pretty happy with this. Because of the fuel sloshing in
the tanks though they start to come on if there is roughly 10 gallons in the tank.
The other day I landed and both lights were on when I landed. If I reset
it, they will stay off until you hit a little bit of turbulence. When I filled
the tanks, they only took 40 gallons which meant I had 20 gallons in each
tank.
I trust my fuel totalizer the most but the fuel guardians are there to remind
you if you forgot to switch tanks or if you have a leak all of a sudden like
Tim did when his fuel drain got stuck.
Hope that helps.
http://scottandranae.smugmug.com/gallery/124475#50698594
Mark Lanier <markandangelasrv10@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm trying to avoid having to seal the tanks and fill them (per the instructions)
in order to get a sensor location. Does anyone have accurate locating
dimensions for the sensors on the inboard rib and the corresponding fuel quantity
they show.
Thanks in advance!
Mark Lanier
#519
www.lanier-rv10.com
Scott Schmidt
Tronco Energy
Office 801-990-1252
Cell 801-718-1277
Fax 801-990-1256
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | AE Fuel Guardian Sensor Locations |
Hehe. I copied Scott. He did all the legwork getting the tank in the
right position (dihedral and all that) and found an appropriate spot. I
did some rough calculations (very rough) and agreed with the location he
used. The tank stiffener bead kind of dictates where you have to put it
anyway - you could put it lower to have it indicate low fuel at a spot
even less than around 5.5 gallons, but having it go on just to let you
know why the prop just stopped turning doesn't seem that helpful! :-)
On a side note, you'll all be happy to know that now I have enough room
to finish building my aircraft. Over the weekend, we "clearanced" the
rear wall of the garage, and butted a Rubbermaid tool shed up against
the back wall. Got us an extra 10.5 feet, and some breathing room. as
it was, the garage was about 18 feet long, and for those of you at that
stage, the fuselage with the tailcone attached and no engine on the
front is about that long (give or take a foot or so). The garage isn't
that wide either, and with the wings also in there, it's been tight.
Can't wait to move the wings out of there and into the livingroom!
cj
#40410
fuse/finishing/re-organization/playing with electrical gadgets
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Wik
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AE Fuel Guardian Sensor Locations
We must be in the same spot. I was looking for the same thing and found
photo's on Chris Johnston's web page. I didn't see how he arrived at
his location. He talks about it under "Tanks - Final assembly" and
states the position he has will alarm at 5.5gallons. Link to his site
is below.
http://www.perfectlygoodairplane.net/
Jay Wik
#40536 Fuel tanks
Mark Lanier wrote:
I'm trying to avoid having to seal the tanks and fill them (per the
instructions) in order to get a sensor location. Does anyone have
accurate locating dimensions for the sensors on the inboard rib and the
corresponding fuel quantity they show.
Thanks in advance!
Mark Lanier
#519
www.lanier-rv10.com
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| Subject: | Waterjet Cutting |
I sent an e-mail out a couple of weeks ago about this and didn't get any
response. I am about to take some files to the shop to get cut on the
waterjet. If anybody else has something (instrument panel) that they would
like to get cut without having to pay minimums, I can get it cut with mine.
It would need to be .063.
Give me a call if you want to or e-mail me off the list.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons |
When I first saw this thread, it got me curious. Since I dont even have the fuselage
kit yet all I have to go from is what I can see in the plans.
According to the pics on p.1 of sections 23, 39 & 44, the bottom of the control
stick where the F-1064 aileron pushrod assembly attaches swings fore & aft
through an arc when elevator input is put into the stick. This means the inboard
end of the F-1064 moves fore & aft with elevator input. The outboard end
of the F-1064 is fixed in the fore & aft direction. So, the farther the inboard
end of the F-1064 moves away from the neutral point (this goes for either forward
or rearward movement), the more the outboard end of the F-1064 is pulled
inward.
Following the control linkages out to the ailerons, this translates to up aileron
movement on both wings. So, it sounds like if the aileron neutral point
was set with the stick full aft (or foreword) then that explains why they would
then droop when the stick is moved back to neutral.
Of course, that all sounds good in theory
As Tom mentions, his ailerons move up with full stick motion fore or aft, which
seems to support the theory. So, if someone really wants to isolate this and
prove my theory, it seems the wing root farings can be pulled to check the
outboard end of the F-1064 for inward travel with fore & aft stick movement.
Anyone want to try it???
Tom Deutsch wrote:
>
> Since I just finished rigging my controls in preparation for my first
> flight I just had to go to the airport to check. What I found was my
> ailerons were perfectly aliened with the elevator in the neutral
> position and when going to full up elevator they raised approx 3/16" and
> at full down elevator they also raised the same amount. Interesting. I
> agree with Tim that is not a big cause for concern. If you rig with the
> elevator at neutral you will be good to go.
>
> Tim, do you have an accumulation of performance stats for the 10? If so
> were can I find it?
>
> Tom Deutsch, #40545
Mark Lanier
#519
www.lanier-rv10.com
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| Subject: | Re: AE Fuel Guardian Sensor Locations |
Scott, that's exactly what I'm looking for, thanks! Anyone else with a different
configuration?
Thanks for including the additional info about the sloshing as well. It got
me wondering if a long U-shaped channel bent out of some thin sheet stock and
riveted vertically surrounding the sensor (open at the top and bottom) would act
as a buffer for that sort of thing(?) My only question would be if aluminum
in close proximity to the sensor would throw it off since the light needs to
dissipate in the liquid. Would aluminum less than an inch away reflect the light
back before it has time to dissipate and give a false reading?? Maybe I'm
misunderstanding the sensor's function. Anyway, I've got an email to Aircraft
Extras asking about this... maybe they'll reply with some info.
Any thoughts on the baffle?
Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt@yahoo.com> wrote:
Here is a picture of my location. I filled the tanks up with 5 gallons to
get this location. I am pretty happy with this. Because of the fuel sloshing
in the tanks though they start to come on if there is roughly 10 gallons in the
tank. The other day I landed and both lights were on when I landed. If I
reset it, they will stay off until you hit a little bit of turbulence. When I
filled the tanks, they only took 40 gallons which meant I had 20 gallons in
each tank.
I trust my fuel totalizer the most but the fuel guardians are there to remind
you if you forgot to switch tanks or if you have a leak all of a sudden like
Tim did when his fuel drain got stuck.
Hope that helps.
http://scottandranae.smugmug.com/gallery/124475#50698594
Mark Lanier
#519
www.lanier-rv10.com
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| Subject: | AE Fuel Guardian Sensor Locations |
Thanks Jay & Chris. I saw the info on Chris' site, and also took notice of the
mention of copying "Scott's" installation. I just assumed that was S.Schmidt,
and checked out his site. I guess I overlooked the pics he sent the link for.
Sorry about that.
Chris, your willingness to make "home improvements" all in the name of airplane
building makes following your build quite exciting! Can't wait to see the
"add-on" pics on the site!
do not archive
Chris Johnston <CJohnston@popsound.com> wrote:
Hehe. I copied Scott. He did all the legwork getting the tank in
the right position (dihedral and all that) and found an appropriate spot. I did
some rough calculations (very rough) and agreed with the location he used.
The tank stiffener bead kind of dictates where you have to put it anyway - you
could put it lower to have it indicate low fuel at a spot even less than around
5.5 gallons, but having it go on just to let you know why the prop just stopped
turning doesnt seem that helpful! J
On a side note, youll all be happy to know that now I have enough room to finish
building my aircraft. Over the weekend, we clearanced the rear wall of the
garage, and butted a Rubbermaid tool shed up against the back wall. Got us
an extra 10.5 feet, and some breathing room. as it was, the garage was about
18 feet long, and for those of you at that stage, the fuselage with the tailcone
attached and no engine on the front is about that long (give or take a foot
or so). The garage isnt that wide either, and with the wings also in there,
its been tight. Cant wait to move the wings out of there and into the livingroom!
cj
#40410
fuse/finishing/re-organization/playing with electrical gadgets
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Wik
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AE Fuel Guardian Sensor Locations
We must be in the same spot. I was looking for the same thing and found photo's
on Chris Johnston's web page. I didn't see how he arrived at his location.
He talks about it under "Tanks - Final assembly" and states the position he
has will alarm at 5.5gallons. Link to his site is below.
http://www.perfectlygoodairplane.net/
Jay Wik
#40536 Fuel tanks
Mark Lanier wrote:
I'm trying to avoid having to seal the tanks and fill them (per the instructions)
in order to get a sensor location. Does anyone have accurate locating
dimensions for the sensors on the inboard rib and the corresponding fuel quantity
they show.
Thanks in advance!
Mark Lanier
#519
www.lanier-rv10.com
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www.lanier-rv10.com
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