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1. 04:07 AM - Kitlog Pro (Bob Leffler)
2. 05:30 AM - Re: Kitlog Pro (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
3. 07:29 AM - Re: Kitlog Pro (Deems Davis)
4. 08:35 AM - Re: Thanks David McNeil (Chris Johnston)
5. 09:03 AM - OAT probe location (Fred Williams, M.D.)
6. 09:14 AM - Re: OAT probe location (Randy DeBauw)
7. 09:19 AM - Re: OAT probe location (Kelly McMullen)
8. 10:59 AM - Re: OAT probe location (Tim Olson)
9. 11:00 AM - OAT probe (Fred Williams, M.D.)
10. 11:22 AM - Re: OAT probe (Tim Olson)
11. 12:02 PM - OAT probe (Fred Williams, M.D.)
12. 12:16 PM - sloppiness in control stick, compliance, take your medicine (John Gonzalez)
13. 12:53 PM - Re: OAT probe (Kelly McMullen)
14. 04:21 PM - Re: Fiberglass top rudder fairing not strait. (John Kirkland)
15. 05:24 PM - Re: Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons (Tim Olson)
16. 05:51 PM - Re: OAT probe location (greghale)
17. 06:43 PM - Re: Re: OAT probe location ()
18. 07:00 PM - Re: Re: OAT probe location (Tim Olson)
19. 07:04 PM - Re: Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons (Rick)
20. 07:17 PM - Re: Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons (Bill DeRouchey)
21. 07:18 PM - Re: Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons (Tim Olson)
22. 08:23 PM - Re: Re: OAT probe location (Dave Leikam)
23. 09:23 PM - What have you done about defrost fan's ? (Deems Davis)
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I've been working with Matt Dralle over the last couple days on a problem
that impacts all Kitlog Pro users. I am glad to report that he has fixed
the problem in which paragraphs are run together. All you have to do is to
save the offending pages again and re-upload them to mykitlog.com.
Matt was unaware of the issue, but promptly fixed the problem once I gave
him the specifics of the issue. It appears that we've already benefited
from Matronics purchasing Kitlog Pro. The previous owner was aware of this
issue for several months and chose to do nothing.
Great support Matt!
Bob
N410BL - RV-10
N3493R - PA-28
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Matt bought KitLog?!? Wow, that's cool! Maybe he will fix the problem whe
re clicking next on a project web page takes you backward in dates instead
of forward. That' has always drove me nuts along with the run on paragraph
s. Spell check would be great too. I also mentioned to Paul way back when
I was beta testing his 2.0 release that adding the ability to attach files
to entries like scanned receipts to expenses would be useful.
Michael Sausen
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:06 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Kitlog Pro
I've been working with Matt Dralle over the last couple days on a problem t
hat impacts all Kitlog Pro users. I am glad to report that he has fixed t
he problem in which paragraphs are run together. All you have to do is to
save the offending pages again and re-upload them to mykitlog.com.
Matt was unaware of the issue, but promptly fixed the problem once I gave h
im the specifics of the issue. It appears that we've already benefited f
rom Matronics purchasing Kitlog Pro. The previous owner was aware of this
issue for several months and chose to do nothing.
Great support Matt!
Bob
N410BL - RV-10
N3493R - PA-28
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Spel ckeck, we don tneed no stinking Spel check :-P
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> Matt bought KitLog?!? Wow, thats cool! Maybe he will fix the problem
> where clicking next on a project web page takes you backward in dates
> instead of forward. That has always drove me nuts along with the run
> on paragraphs. Spell check would be great too. I also mentioned to
> Paul way back when I was beta testing his 2.0 release that adding the
> ability to attach files to entries like scanned receipts to expenses
> would be useful.
>
> Michael Sausen
>
> Do not archive
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> *
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| Subject: | Thanks David McNeil |
Hey Deems -
Keep us posted on how it goes... I've saved those instructions as well,
and plan on going that route. I would imagine that the plastic airplane
guys know what they're doing!
cj
#40410
everything
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:34 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Thanks David McNeil
Just wanted to thank Dave McNeil for posting the detailed instructions
regarding Phoenix Composites method for installing plexi windows.
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX-96601?KEYS
window_procedure?LISTNAME=RV10?HITNUMBER=2?SERIAL=21330712613?SHOWBUTTON
S=YES
I opted to go this route rather than to deal with the Weld-On. After
reading the accounts of the limited working life and the difficulty in
removing the Weld On from anything that it contacts. I began the install
of one of my windows as a test case today using epoxy/flox/cabosil as
the adhesive. Time will tell if this holds up (Dave has several years in
his Glastar), but I'm happy enough with the process thus far that I'm
going ahead and using it on the remaining windows.
Thanks again Dave
PS. anybody that wants a good deal on 5 unused Weld-On kits e-mail me
off line.
Do Not Archive
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | OAT probe location |
Where's the most common location for the OAT probe? Wing root? naca
nacelle? suggestions?
Thanks
Fred Williams
40515
Wire planning for fuse.
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| Subject: | OAT probe location |
Don't us the naca. I have a 10 deg difference between it and the one on
the wing root filler skin. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred
Williams, M.D.
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 8:57 AM
Subject: RV10-List: OAT probe location
<drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
Where's the most common location for the OAT probe? Wing root? naca
nacelle? suggestions?
Thanks
Fred Williams
40515
Wire planning for fuse.
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| Subject: | Re: OAT probe location |
Some place that engine heat can't affect it. That generally exculdes
most locations below the windshield and along the fuselage or wing
root much inside of the wheels. Many planes put it on an inspection
plate outboard of the main gear.
On 3/22/07, Fred Williams, M.D. <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:
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> Where's the most common location for the OAT probe? Wing root? naca
> nacelle? suggestions?
>
> Thanks
>
> Fred Williams
> 40515
> Wire planning for fuse.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OAT probe location |
I'm with Kelly....get the OAT probe out away from the
fuselage far enough to get rid of any exhaust/engine effects.
I've flown inside open cockpit planes and there is a definite
zone of warmer air near the fuselage. Even if you can only
get out a couple feet, you'll be lots better. I went out
and put it in the bottom wing skin just next to one of
the wing access panels. That makes it accessible to hook
up and replace later too.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Some place that engine heat can't affect it. That generally exculdes
> most locations below the windshield and along the fuselage or wing
> root much inside of the wheels. Many planes put it on an inspection
> plate outboard of the main gear.
>
> On 3/22/07, Fred Williams, M.D. <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:
>> <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>>
>> Where's the most common location for the OAT probe? Wing root? naca
>> nacelle? suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Fred Williams
>> 40515
>> Wire planning for fuse.
>>
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Thanks for the info. Will put it in the wing root area. Will keep on
top away from the exhaust.
Fred Williams
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Nooooooooo....not the top. You don't want it affected by
the sun. It needs to be on the underside of the plane, in the shade,
outside of any warm airflows from the engine.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Fred Williams, M.D. wrote:
> <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>
> Thanks for the info. Will put it in the wing root area. Will keep on
> top away from the exhaust.
> Fred Williams
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OK ..... not on top. :).
Thanks. I am in the process of getting the wiring diagram done with
Accuracy avionics. good bunch to work with.
Again
Thanks for the input.
Dr Fred.
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| Subject: | sloppiness in control stick, compliance, take your medicine |
Just a note:
I got my new right stick and base yesterday and installed it last night.
This one did not have the receiver angled out toward the co pilots right
knee.
I was very careful in installing the bushing and making the bushing receiver
only 1/64-1/32 smaller.
There is abolutely no play in the piece. Now my left side is not as good as
I have about 1/16" space difference between the bushing and the bushing
receiver in the base.
Best Method:
use your AN4 bolt and insert it into one hole in the tie rod fork that holds
the two bases(Sticks) together. While the bolt is in one hole, let the other
end of the bolt hit the other side of the fork, ever so slightly to the side
of the hole.
Mark your bolt with a sharpie( the inner distance between the two holes)
This gets an accurate distance as the end of the fork distance may be
different from the distance between the holes.
Put your bushing next to the bolt, both on end, on a perfectly flat
surface(Back rivet plate) and mark the length on the bushing.
Put the bushing in your drill press and spin is and mark the circumference
of your mark onto the bushing.
Sand the bushing on you disk sander or bench belt sander with a way to
maintain it perpendicular to the disk or belt. Trim it just shy of your
mark. keep it over size.
Install the bushing without the base, into the fork and check snugness.
Place bushing in base then make base 1/64" smaller
It willl glide just like the contol stick of really expensive airplane. Oh'
I forgot, this is a really expensive airplane!
John Gonzalez 409
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I also think you want it at least a couple feet out from the wing root
and fuselage, better 4-5 ft. And the top of the wing doesn't separate
it from engine heat, beside getting sun effect. You want to know when
the wing leading edges approach freezing temp. Besides, you already
have access panels on the underside.
On 3/22/07, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> Nooooooooo....not the top. You don't want it affected by
> the sun. It needs to be on the underside of the plane, in the shade,
> outside of any warm airflows from the engine.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Fred Williams, M.D. wrote:
> > <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
> >
> > Thanks for the info. Will put it in the wing root area. Will keep on
> > top away from the exhaust.
> > Fred Williams
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass top rudder fairing not strait. |
Yes, mine was that way too. Took a long time to get both sides straight and parallel
to each other. I used a small file instead of sanding. I kept the pressure
off the flange so I didn't make the flange deeper. A lot of RV builders just
slather a bunch of resin on the flange line and try to hide it and the pop rivets
for a baby-skin smooth appearance. Thought about returning the piece to
Vans, but they'd just send me another crappy one, and I'd loose the time I already
spent trying to fix it. It just takes time and patience to make good looking
fiberglass parts from the crap Vans suppliers make for him.
--------
RV-10 #40333
N540XP (reserved)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=102367#102367
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons |
Chris,
I think I have what you need. My wife was nice enough to drive
out to the hanger and get the measurements because I've been too
busy to get there. I had her measure from the tip of the
aileron to the tip of the flap with the flaps up. The ailerons
deflect upwards about 4" even, and they deflect downwards about 3"
even. That should give you an idea of the total travel that you'll
get. Sorry it took so long....darn wife, you know, she just didn't
jump quick enough. When I say jump, I expect to hear "How High?".
(Just kidding...and DO NOT ARCHIVE or I may find myself living
at the hanger!) She's a good girl, that's for sure.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Chris Johnston wrote:
>
> Hey all -
>
> All this talk about ailerons has got me wondering if someone could
> answer my previously (unanswered) question about how much downward throw
> the ailerons have? I don't want anything very scientific like degrees
> or anything. Just maybe a measurement from the trailing edge of the
> aileron at full down deflection to the trailing edge of the flap with
> the flap in the full up position. I'm still nervous about my rubbing
> issue, and I'm nowhere near mounting the wings so that I can see if it
> really is a problem. Could someone help me out?
>
> Thanks!
>
> cj
> #40410
> fuse
> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>
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| Subject: | Re: OAT probe location |
I was thinking of mounting the OAT probe on the bottom of the wing tip. What do
you think?
--------
Greg Hale rv8/rv10
www.nwacaptain.com
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| Subject: | Re: OAT probe location |
Why not mount it on the inside of the bottom wing skin? Aluminum is an excellent
conductor of heat. No need to expose to outside air. No drag and no source
of heat.
Any reason why that should not work?
Jim Combs
N312F - Finish Kit
40192
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From: "greghale" <ghale5224@aol.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: OAT probe location
I was thinking of mounting the OAT probe on the bottom of the wing tip. What do
you think?
--------
Greg Hale rv8/rv10
www.nwacaptain.com
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: OAT probe location |
Why is there no source of heat?....it would be heated by the exhaust
and engine heat just like the rest of the airframe.
That wingtip area is good, as long as you're on the bottom. As long
as you get it out on the wing a few feet though, you're doing great.
If you want to mount it on or near the fuselage though, you may
as well save on wire and just hook it up under the panel. (j/k)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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jim@CombsFive.Com wrote:
>
> Why not mount it on the inside of the bottom wing skin? Aluminum is
> an excellent conductor of heat. No need to expose to outside air.
> No drag and no source of heat.
>
> Any reason why that should not work?
>
> Jim Combs N312F - Finish Kit 40192
>
> Do Not Archive
>
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> "greghale" <ghale5224@aol.com> Date: 2007/03/22 Thu PM 07:51:17 EST
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Re: OAT probe
> location
>
>
> I was thinking of mounting the OAT probe on the bottom of the wing
> tip. What do you think?
>
> -------- Greg Hale rv8/rv10 www.nwacaptain.com
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=102373#102373
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons |
How come so many of us have asked before but now FINALLY an answer...AND you had
to get your wife to do it!!!! :)
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons |
We have two stock RV-10's out at Watsonville, CA: one with ailerons set trailing
edges faired on ground, and one trailing edges faired in cruise. The adjustments
to get from the lower to higher position is one full rod end turn per aileron
or approx 1/4". Noticed that the aircraft with ailerons adjusted to faired
in cruise (higher) required that the lower leading edge of the aileron begins
to dip into the airstream suggesting that this is the max upper limit. Formation
flying was used to determine speed differences by setting same power, fuel
flow, & RPM.
Thinking about some very good input from others it would probably be wise to
duct tape the elevators fair with the horizonal stab to create a proper origin
and then set the ailerons. This would be best case for a forward CG (front seat
occupants with little baggage) mission.
We installed markers to help measure elevator vs horizontal stab difference,
added tuffs to flaps, ailerons, and wingtips.
Results were that in both cases the tuffs exitted the trailing edge parallel
with the aileron chord. This would make sense since we were probably pitching
the wing leading edge. The elevators were faired with the horizontal stabilizer
in flight. And the RV10 with the upper aileron setting was "maybe 1 knot" faster.
Our conclusion was the speed difference was too small to be significant and could
have been due to other causes. If I were to experiment with this further
I would try a setting that the forward underside of the aileron fairs smooth with
the wing when the elevator is taped to the horizon stab. This is probably
somewhere between the settings tested.
Lessons learned:
1) Applying a lot of effort to aileron adjustment will probably not produce
speed improvements.
2) Formation flying is great fun!
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
billderou@yahoo.com
Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
Chris,
I think I have what you need. My wife was nice enough to drive
out to the hanger and get the measurements because I've been too
busy to get there. I had her measure from the tip of the
aileron to the tip of the flap with the flaps up. The ailerons
deflect upwards about 4" even, and they deflect downwards about 3"
even. That should give you an idea of the total travel that you'll
get. Sorry it took so long....darn wife, you know, she just didn't
jump quick enough. When I say jump, I expect to hear "How High?".
(Just kidding...and DO NOT ARCHIVE or I may find myself living
at the hanger!) She's a good girl, that's for sure.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Chris Johnston wrote:
>
> Hey all -
>
> All this talk about ailerons has got me wondering if someone could
> answer my previously (unanswered) question about how much downward throw
> the ailerons have? I don't want anything very scientific like degrees
> or anything. Just maybe a measurement from the trailing edge of the
> aileron at full down deflection to the trailing edge of the flap with
> the flap in the full up position. I'm still nervous about my rubbing
> issue, and I'm nowhere near mounting the wings so that I can see if it
> really is a problem. Could someone help me out?
>
> Thanks!
>
> cj
> #40410
> fuse
> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons |
I've been afflicted with a disease caused by my lack of a kit
to work on. It's symptoms include laziness, apathy, weight
gain, and all sorts of nasty things, but on the upside, my
flying skills have improved because the disease causes a
high affinity to burning 100LL fuel. Pretty soon I'll need
to get me a tail kit or something before it does some
permanent damage.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Rick wrote:
>
> How come so many of us have asked before but now FINALLY an
> answer...AND you had to get your wife to do it!!!! :)
>
> Rick S. 40185
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: OAT probe location |
I am sure the inside of the wing at least warms up in direct sunlight. I
would think the probe should be out in clear, shaded air.
Dave Leikam
40496
Van's called today, fuse, wings and finish are ready to ship!
----- Original Message -----
From: <jim@CombsFive.Com>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: OAT probe location
>
> Why not mount it on the inside of the bottom wing skin? Aluminum is an
> excellent conductor of heat. No need to expose to outside air. No drag
> and no source of heat.
>
> Any reason why that should not work?
>
> Jim Combs
> N312F - Finish Kit
> 40192
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> ===========================================================
> From: "greghale" <ghale5224@aol.com>
> Date: 2007/03/22 Thu PM 07:51:17 EST
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: OAT probe location
>
>
> I was thinking of mounting the OAT probe on the bottom of the wing tip.
> What do you think?
>
> --------
> Greg Hale rv8/rv10
> www.nwacaptain.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=102373#102373
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| Subject: | What have you done about defrost fan's ? |
I'm planning on installing a couple of fans in the glareshield (upper
fwd fuse) and am interested in learning what fans people have used,
where they bought them and any install tips. I'm toying with the idea of
installing them in removable access panels ala David Mc Neil if it
doesn't introduce any structural issues. Any advice?
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
Deems Davis wrote:
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> Spel ckeck, we don tneed no stinking Spel check :-P
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> Deems Davis # 406
> Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
> http://deemsrv10.com/
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> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
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>> Matt bought KitLog?!? Wow, thats cool! Maybe he will fix the problem
>> where clicking next on a project web page takes you backward in dates
>> instead of forward. That has always drove me nuts along with the run
>> on paragraphs. Spell check would be great too. I also mentioned to
>> Paul way back when I was beta testing his 2.0 release that adding the
>> ability to attach files to entries like scanned receipts to expenses
>> would be useful.
>>
>> Michael Sausen
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>> Do not archive
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