---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/25/07: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:58 AM - Re: Lightspeed Ignition (John Testement) 2. 06:02 AM - Re: Lightspeed Ignition (Tim Olson) 3. 06:03 AM - Re: Lightspeed Ignition (Carl Froehlich) 4. 07:20 AM - Re: Lightspeed Ignition (JSMcGrew@aol.com) 5. 08:01 AM - Re: Lightspeed Ignition (Tim Olson) 6. 08:27 AM - Re: Kitlog Pro (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 7. 11:55 AM - First Flight (Tom Deutsch) 8. 12:11 PM - Re: Lightspeed Ignition (JSMcGrew@aol.com) 9. 12:14 PM - Re: First Flight (Tom Deutsch) 10. 01:42 PM - Re: First Flight (Rene Felker) 11. 03:46 PM - Re: First Flight (Tim Olson) 12. 05:07 PM - Re: First Flight (Mark Ritter) 13. 07:53 PM - Slick magneto harness question (Mike Kraus) 14. 08:20 PM - Re: RV-10 in southwest Michigan (Mike Kraus) 15. 09:20 PM - Flying RV10's (ddddsp1@juno.com) 16. 09:55 PM - Spray Lat (Cal Hoffman) 17. 10:55 PM - Re: Spray Lat (Deems Davis) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:12 AM PST US From: "John Testement" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Lightspeed Ignition I had the same problem. I called Lightspeed and they said you must make a hole large enough to push the connector through. That was after I had already cut the connector off. I bought a new solder cup connector and remade it - that was a major project! There is no easy answer but I think you will have to find a way to get their connector through the firewall. John Testement HYPERLINK "mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com"jwt@roadmapscoaching.com 40321 Richmond, VA Paint prep and LOTS of misc stuff do not archive _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert Gardner Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 2:44 AM Subject: RV10-List: Lightspeed Ignition I=92m hooking up the wires from the Lightspeed sensors at the flywheel to the computer and I=92m wondering how others have gotten the 15 pin d-sub connector through the firewall. I have removed the hood and found they used a solder cup connector so I don=92t want to desolder the wires. It looks like I could turn the connector block sideways and reduce the size the of hole required to let it pass through the firewall but about the smallest I can squeeze the wires down to is 1=94. Then the problem is-where do I find a 1=94 snap bushing with a very large ID? Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"http://www.matronics.com/Na vig ator?RV10-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com 3/24/2007 4:36 PM -- 3/24/2007 4:36 PM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:29 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lightspeed Ignition I bought a 1-1/4" SCAT tube flange and drilled the hole just slightly larger than that, so there's no sharp edge for the wire to touch. Then I took the shroud off and ran it through, along with all my EIS probe wires and most everything that goes thru the firewall (with sum exceptions). I stuffed it with fire putty, and capped the ends with RTV. The exceptions were the big fat wires for the charging system and the 3 coil wires for the lightspeed. The coil wires I used 1 eyeball drilled to size to hold all 3 wires, and then filled the gaps with hi-temp RTV too. I think I also ran my mag P-lead and fuel/oil pressure wires through elsewhere too, just for convenience, but they could have gone through the same fat scat tube connection. It's kind of a middle of the road approach. There are some who will use snap bushings everywhere, but I think that's maybe a little far on the liberal end from a safety perspective. There are some who will go with the all-stainless fire-sleeved passthrough stuff, which is very respectably on the far end of the conservative safety end. But, you're allowed to pick your method of choice. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying Albert Gardner wrote: > > > *Im hooking up the wires from the Lightspeed sensors at the flywheel > to the computer and Im wondering how others have gotten the 15 pin > d-sub connector through the firewall. I have removed the hood and > found they used a solder cup connector so I dont want to desolder > the wires. It looks like I could turn the connector block sideways > and reduce the size the of hole required to let it pass through the > firewall but about the smallest I can squeeze the wires down to is > 1. Then the problem is-where do I find a 1 snap bushing with a very > large ID?* > > * * > > *Albert Gardner* > > *Yuma, AZ* > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:11 AM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Lightspeed Ignition Cut the cable and solder a new connector on. Not hard and you don't end up with a huge hole in your firewall to fix when something better than Klaus' product becomes available. Carl Froehlich RV-10 (wings) RV8A (300 hrs with dual Lightspeed ignitions) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Testement Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 7:55 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Lightspeed Ignition I had the same problem. I called Lightspeed and they said you must make a hole large enough to push the connector through. That was after I had already cut the connector off. I bought a new solder cup connector and remade it - that was a major project! There is no easy answer but I think you will have to find a way to get their connector through the firewall. John Testement jwt@roadmapscoaching.com 40321 Richmond, VA Paint prep and LOTS of misc stuff do not archive ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert Gardner Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 2:44 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Lightspeed Ignition Im hooking up the wires from the Lightspeed sensors at the flywheel to the computer and Im wondering how others have gotten the 15 pin d-sub connector through the firewall. I have removed the hood and found they used a solder cup connector so I dont want to desolder the wires. It looks like I could turn the connector block sideways and reduce the size the of hole required to let it pass through the firewall but about the smallest I can squeeze the wires down to is 1. Then the problem is-where do I find a 1 snap bushing with a very large ID? Albert GardnerYuma, AZ href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com -- No virus found in this Edition. -- 3/24/2007 4:36 PM ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:35 AM PST US From: JSMcGrew@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lightspeed Ignition I used 1" stainless steel firewall penetration seals. I only had to file th e hole slightly larger than I was originally planning to allow the connector to pass through. Pictures attached. -Jim In a message dated 3/25/2007 9:04:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Tim@MyRV10.com writes: Albert Gardner wrote: > > > *I=99m hooking up the wires from the Lightspeed sensors at the flyw heel > to the computer and I=99m wondering how others have gotten the 15 p in > d-sub connector through the firewall. I have removed the hood and > found they used a solder cup connector so I don=99t want to desolde r > the wires. It looks like I could turn the connector block sideways > and reduce the size the of hole required to let it pass through the > firewall but about the smallest I can squeeze the wires down to is > 1=9D. Then the problem is-where do I find a 1=9D snap bushing with a very > large ID?* > > * * > > *Albert Gardner* > > *Yuma, AZ* > Jim "Scooter" McGrew _http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew_ (http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew) . ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:39 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lightspeed Ignition Very nice Jim, you should name your supplier. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive JSMcGrew@aol.com wrote: > I used 1" stainless steel firewall penetration seals. I only had to file > the hole slightly larger than I was originally planning to allow the > connector to pass through. Pictures attached. > > -Jim > > In a message dated 3/25/2007 9:04:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > Tim@MyRV10.com writes: > > Albert Gardner wrote: > > > > > > *Im hooking up the wires from the Lightspeed sensors at the flywheel > > to the computer and Im wondering how others have gotten the 15 pin > > d-sub connector through the firewall. I have removed the hood and > > found they used a solder cup connector so I dont want to desolder > > the wires. It looks like I could turn the connector block sideways > > and reduce the size the of hole required to let it pass through the > > firewall but about the smallest I can squeeze the wires down to is > > 1. Then the problem is-where do I find a 1 snap bushing with a very > > large ID?* > > > > * * > > > > *Albert Gardner* > > > > *Yuma, AZ* > > > > > Jim "Scooter" McGrew > http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > AOL now offers fre="http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000339" > href="http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000339" > target="_blank">*AOL.com*. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:42 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Kitlog Pro Awesome Matt! You are the man! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 2:29 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Kitlog Pro At 05:29 AM 3/22/2007 Thursday, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote: >Matt bought KitLog?!? Wow, that?s cool! Maybe he will fix the problem where clicking next on a project web page takes you backward in dates instead of forward. That? has always drove me nuts along with the run on paragraphs. Spell check would be great too. I also mentioned to Paul way back when I was beta testing his 2.0 release that adding the ability to attach files to entries like scanned receipts to expenses would be useful. > >Michael Sausen Michael/Kitlog Users, I think you will be pleased. I've updated the "Next/Previous" functionality on the individual log entry pages so that the function is now more intuitive. Give it a try and let me know what you think... http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=msausen&project=22&category=0&log=16675&row=5 How's that for customer service? Tell a friend! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics / Kitlog Pro Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:55:48 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: First Flight From: "Tom Deutsch" Made my First flight this weekend. 6 hours now and couldn't stop flying long enough to send this message. I fly professionally and have flown lots of neat aircraft over the last 40 years but this thing is just plain FUN!!!! No surprises, CHT's are higher than I like however should come down. Put wheel fairings on after the fourth hour and picked up 14 knots indicated at same alt and power setting. Wheel fairings did lower CHT's about 8-10* however now I need rudder trim. Tom Deutsch, #40545 QB Now Flying!! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:37 PM PST US From: JSMcGrew@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lightspeed Ignition I purchased the SS penetration seals and SS heater control valves from: _http://www.epm-avcorp.com/tubeseal.html_ (http://www.epm-avcorp.com/tubeseal.html) By the way, speaking of the heater... Except for the SS heater control valves, I built my heater system per the plans. I went cross country with my RV-10 and a friend in his Piper Warrior last month up to Maine. It was around 15-20F on the ground that day. Other performance issues aside, the RV-10 hea ter kept my rear seat passengers very comfortable at 9,500'. In contrast, the passengers in the back of the Warrior were quite cold after the 1.5 hour fli ght. In fact a water bottle left on the floor in the back of the Warrior had frozen. One more reason I love my RV-10. -Jim 40134 Jim "Scooter" McGrew _http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew_ (http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew) In a message dated 3/25/2007 11:03:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Tim@MyRV10.com writes: --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Very nice Jim, you should name your supplier. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive JSMcGrew@aol.com wrote: > I used 1" stainless steel firewall penetration seals. I only had to file > the hole slightly larger than I was originally planning to allow the > connector to pass through. Pictures attached. > > -Jim > > In a message dated 3/25/2007 9:04:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > Tim@MyRV10.com writes: > > Albert Gardner wrote: > > > > > > *I=99m hooking up the wires from the Lightspeed sensors at t he flywheel > > to the computer and I=99m wondering how others have gotten the 15 pin > > d-sub connector through the firewall. I have removed the hood and > > found they used a solder cup connector so I don=99t want to desolder > > the wires. It looks like I could turn the connector block sideways > > and reduce the size the of hole required to let it pass through th e > > firewall but about the smallest I can squeeze the wires down to i s > > 1=9D. Then the problem is-where do I find a 1=9D snap bushing with a very > > large ID?* > > > > * * > > > > *Albert Gardner* > > > > *Yuma, AZ* > > > > > Jim "Scooter" McGrew > http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew Jim "Scooter" McGrew _http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew_ (http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew) . ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:46 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: First Flight From: "Tom Deutsch" Forgot to add I now have a good Bonanza for sale...cheap! Tom Deutsch ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Deutsch Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 1:53 PM Subject: RV10-List: First Flight Made my First flight this weekend. 6 hours now and couldn't stop flying long enough to send this message. I fly professionally and have flown lots of neat aircraft over the last 40 years but this thing is just plain FUN!!!! No surprises, CHT's are higher than I like however should come down. Put wheel fairings on after the fourth hour and picked up 14 knots indicated at same alt and power setting. Wheel fairings did lower CHT's about 8-10* however now I need rudder trim. Tom Deutsch, #40545 QB Now Flying!! ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:36 PM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: First Flight Congrats and thanks for the info. It makes the 8 hours I just put in seem a lot more important....I have been working on the main wheel fairings. Now if I can just get that panel finished. First flight expected by August. Please note I did not say what year... Rene' Felker 40322 N423CF 801-721-6080 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Deutsch Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 12:53 PM Subject: RV10-List: First Flight Made my First flight this weekend. 6 hours now and couldn't stop flying long enough to send this message. I fly professionally and have flown lots of neat aircraft over the last 40 years but this thing is just plain FUN!!!! No surprises, CHT's are higher than I like however should come down. Put wheel fairings on after the fourth hour and picked up 14 knots indicated at same alt and power setting. Wheel fairings did lower CHT's about 8-10* however now I need rudder trim. Tom Deutsch, #40545 QB Now Flying!! ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:25 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: First Flight A huge congrats to you Tom. That's also great of you to report your speed increase. You're probably the first person to do that on first flight day after observing the speeds without fairings. I was estimating something in that same ballpark (15-18 kts) additional after adding mine. It's amazing the difference. Too bad they usually take a perfectly straight airframe and set it off yaw a bit...but hey, that's our mistakes that cause that....unless maybe it's a design flaw...yeah, that's gotta be it. ;) Very good job Tom! Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Tom Deutsch wrote: > Made my First flight this weekend. 6 hours now and couldnt stop flying > long enough to send this message. I fly professionally and have flown > lots of neat aircraft over the last 40 years but this thing is just > plain FUN!!!! No surprises, CHTs are higher than I like however should > come down. Put wheel fairings on after the fourth hour and picked up 14 > knots indicated at same alt and power setting. Wheel fairings did lower > CHTs about 8-10* however now I need rudder trim. > > > > Tom Deutsch, #40545 QB Now Flying!! > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:08 PM PST US From: "Mark Ritter" Subject: Re: RV10-List: First Flight Tom, Congratulations and welcome to the 50 or so flying RV-10 group. I too owned an F33A Bonanza and would not trade back. Same or better a/s, w/fixed gear, more room and better pay load. I experienced the same increase in a/s and yaw (half a ball out to the right) after installing the wheel pants and gear leg fairings - go figure. Heading out for a week of flying up and down Baja California tomorrow (maybe Tuesday if the low over Texas doesn't move out) for first long cross country. Mark (N410MR) >From: Tim Olson >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV10-List: First Flight >Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:43:20 -0500 > > >A huge congrats to you Tom. That's also great of you to report your >speed increase. You're probably the first person to do that on >first flight day after observing the speeds without fairings. I was >estimating something in that same ballpark (15-18 kts) additional >after adding mine. It's amazing the difference. Too bad they usually >take a perfectly straight airframe and set it off yaw a bit...but hey, >that's our mistakes that cause that....unless maybe it's a design >flaw...yeah, that's gotta be it. ;) > >Very good job Tom! > >Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >do not archive > > >Tom Deutsch wrote: >>Made my First flight this weekend. 6 hours now and couldnt stop flying >>long enough to send this message. I fly professionally and have flown >>lots of neat aircraft over the last 40 years but this thing is just plain >>FUN!!!! No surprises, CHTs are higher than I like however should come >>down. Put wheel fairings on after the fourth hour and picked up 14 knots >>indicated at same alt and power setting. Wheel fairings did lower CHTs >>about 8-10* however now I need rudder trim. >> >> >> >>Tom Deutsch, #40545 QB Now Flying!! >> > > _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates near 39yr lows! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:38 PM PST US From: "Mike Kraus" Subject: RV10-List: Slick magneto harness question I have an I0540-C4B5 engine going on my RV-10 with a Slick 6393 magneto on the left side (lightspeed ignition on the right side). I need to get a Slick harness for the magneto. The book says I need a M2877, M6029, or a M6027 harness. My first question is how can you tell how long each of the wires are in the above mentioned harnesses? Is there a chart anywhere where you can tell the length of each wire in the harness? I looked on the Unison (useless) web site with no luck. My second question is that I cannot seem to find any of those harnesses anywhere for sale (at least online). Are these old numbers and there are newer ones that replaced it? My last question: Does anyone else have a similar set up, and if so, what harness are you using on the left side? Do the wires route nicely, or are there some that are a bit longer and need to be doubled over to get the correct length? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -Mike Kraus RV-4 Flying RV-10 75% complete, 90% to go ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:38 PM PST US From: "Mike Kraus" Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 in southwest Michigan I live at 26W (Grass Lake, MI) just east of Jackson. My friend and I are building 2 RV-10's. His is within a month of flying, mine is a year or so away. You are welcome to fly in and look at the projects anytime. If you don't come visit, just go spend the money. You won't be disappointed. -Mike Kraus RV-4 Flying RV-10 Sheet metal complete -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Greenley Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 2:17 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 in southwest Michigan I have almost decided to build an RV-10, but am planning on waiting for Oshkosh to start so that I have a chance to ride in one to make sure I am comfortable with it. Everything looks and sounds good, but it seems a little foolish to start such a project without ever having sat in a 10. Is there any chance anyone will be in Southwest Michigan (C91) in the next few months. I would love a chance to see a 10 and maybe get started a few months sooner. Bill Greenley (wanting a change from my '56 172) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:10 PM PST US From: "ddddsp1@juno.com" Subject: RV10-List: Flying RV10's Congrats Tom. I may fly down to KC to see it sometime..........need to see Ray's plane again and check the progress Bryan has made on his RV7 i n Gardner too. After reading about Tom D. getting his plane in the air this weekend I w ent to the FLYING RV10 page and there are still only 27-29 photos listed . It got me wondering of all the RV10's flying to date.........how many have been COMPLETED(all parts done/wheel pants installed/painted) AND were built by the person/people flying them around showing them off(whic h we all need to do proudly everywhere we fly)? Curious, DEAN 40449 (acid etch with gloves and goggles to avoid pain!) ________________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/f ront.htm?csp=24

Congrats Tom.  I may fly down to KC to see it sometime.... ......need to see Ray's plane again and check the progress Bryan has mad e on his RV7 in Gardner too.

After reading about Tom D. getting his plane in the air this weekend I went to the FLYING RV10 page and there are still only 27-29 photos lis ted.  It got me wondering of all the RV10's flying to date......... how many have been COMPLETED(all parts done/wheel pants installed/painte d)

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were built by the person/people flying them around showing them off(w hich we all need to do proudly everywhere we fly)?

Curious,

DEAN 40449 (acid etch with gloves and goggles to avoid pain!)



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