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1. 07:58 AM - Re: Gretz Heated Pitot Mount (Niko)
2. 08:19 AM - Re: Battery question (Vern W. Smith)
3. 08:57 AM - Re: Wing Root Connectors (Niko)
4. 09:30 AM - Flutter at altitude (John Jessen)
5. 10:07 AM - Re: Flutter at altitude (Tim Olson)
6. 10:21 AM - Re: Flutter at altitude (Werner Schneider)
7. 12:22 PM - Re: Flutter at altitude (John W. Cox)
8. 12:45 PM - Re: Battery question (Carl Froehlich)
9. 12:57 PM - Re: Wing Root Connectors (Jesse Saint)
10. 01:03 PM - Re: Flutter at altitude (Tom Deutsch)
11. 03:12 PM - Re: Battery question (Vern W. Smith)
12. 04:40 PM - did anyone save the D2A wiring instructions? (Chris Johnston)
13. 04:55 PM - Re: Wing Root Connectors (John Testement)
14. 05:41 PM - Re: did anyone save the D2A wiring instructions? (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
15. 05:41 PM - Re: did anyone save the D2A wiring instructions? (Jesse Saint)
16. 05:44 PM - Re: Trim Tab Riveting (was flutter at altitude) (Phillips, Jack)
17. 05:46 PM - Re: did anyone save the D2A wiring instructions? (Chris Johnston)
18. 06:01 PM - Re: did anyone save the D2A wiring instructions? (John Hilger)
19. 06:11 PM - Re: did anyone save the D2A wiring instructions? (Jesse Saint)
20. 09:26 PM - Re: Re: Good Test of cockpit lighting/Defrost Fans with Night IFR De (KiloPapa)
21. 09:33 PM - Re: Trim Tab Riveting (was flutter at altitude) (John Jessen)
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| Subject: | Re: Gretz Heated Pitot Mount |
David,
I have the Gretz tube mounted in the same bay as you. I bolted the electronic
control module on to the spar web in the outboard most bay. This way its easy
to access it and connect the wiring.
Niko
40188
----- Original Message ----
From: "dmaib@mac.com" <dmaib@mac.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 8:21:28 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Gretz Heated Pitot Mount
I am thinking about the installation of my Gretz pitot and have some questions.
I have installed the mount in the 2nd from the tip bay as others have done and
suggested by Gretz as the optimum location. I am curious about future access
to the electronic control module. It has to be fairly close to the tube and I
am wondering where others are mounting it. Has anyone put an additional access
panel in the wing in that area? [Question]
--------
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=102613#102613
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| Subject: | Battery question |
With this talk about aux batteries got me thinking. How are people
limiting the charging of the second battery if the battery is of a
smaller capacity than the main battery? Is there some sort of charge
limiting circuit available or is there enough internal resistance in the
batteries to keep them from over charging?
Vern (#324 fuselage)
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Battery question
Yeah, I have a bank of 4 small 6v batteries in a series-parallel
arrangement to give 12V in a thin but long pack. I can't answer
the question on the crank between the 680 and 925, but I'm pretty
happy with the CG range and the operation of the aux battieries.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Root Connectors |
John
Which crimping tool did you use?
Niko
40188
----- Original Message ----
From: John Testement <jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 9:16:11 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing Root Connectors
I used the CPC connectors and really like them. Got them from Mouser. Here
are the art numbers"
571-2060364 4.260
AMP Series 1 Two Pie
RECEPTACLE 16 PIN
571-2060371 2.820
AMP Series 1 CPC Cir
PLUG 16 POSITION
571-661033 0.360
AMP Series 1 CPC Cir
PIN 24-20
They also have larger AWG pins
571-661053 0.430
AMP Series 1 CPC Cir
SOCKET TERM 24-20
571-2060701 3.20
AMP CPC Accessories
STD CABLE CLAMP 17
I ended up using 2 connectors on one wing after adding 2 outside air probes
and 2 magnatometers
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep and LOTS of misc stuff
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Hein
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 2:21 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Wing Root Connectors
Anyone using any wing root connectors (between inboard section of the wing
and the fuselage) for the wiring?
If you are, or have thought about using them, which ones are you using?
I have already decided to have connectors there, so that decision is made
already. I am just at a loss for what is "standard" for connectors there.
-Jim 40384 (60 Degrees F today, expecting 4" snow tonight... Isn't New
England wonderful?)
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| Subject: | Flutter at altitude |
Most of you are probably watching the TAS / IAS flutter thread on the
generic RV Matronics site. Some of you have already weighed in. My
question for RV-10 flyers, has anyone come up with a "at altitude IAS speed
limitation" chart? Is anyone thinking about such? In essence, IAS Vne for
10k, 12k, 14k, 16k, 18k?
John (how in the heck did you guys rivet the spar to the trim tabs) Jessen
#40328
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| Subject: | Re: Flutter at altitude |
The first question probably isn't practical for all but the
most anal of people....but many of the EFIS systems read
TAS anyway, so it's a non-issue then.
As for the trim tabs.....rivet the hinge alone perhaps, then
pin it.
Tim
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John Jessen wrote:
> Most of you are probably watching the TAS / IAS flutter thread on the
> generic RV Matronics site. Some of you have already weighed in. My
> question for RV-10 flyers, has anyone come up with a "at altitude IAS
> speed limitation" chart? Is anyone thinking about such? In essence,
> IAS Vne for 10k, 12k, 14k, 16k, 18k?
>
> John (how in the heck did you guys rivet the spar to the trim tabs) Jessen
> #40328
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flutter at altitude |
Hello John,
we do some test flights here in Switzerland and have also to approach
Vne for that.
Following is our test sheet for that:
Altitude
(ft) Vne
(1) Faktor
(2)
4000
0.9419
6000 0.9142
8000 0.8865
10000 0.8593
12000 0.8325
14000 0.8061
16000 0.7802
and your Vne calculates Vne on SL (1) * by Factor (2)
John Jessen wrote:
> Most of you are probably watching the TAS / IAS flutter thread on the
> generic RV Matronics site. Some of you have already weighed in. My
> question for RV-10 flyers, has anyone come up with a "at altitude IAS
> speed limitation" chart? Is anyone thinking about such? In essence,
> IAS Vne for 10k, 12k, 14k, 16k, 18k?
>
> John (how in the heck did you guys rivet the spar to the trim tabs) Jessen
> #40328
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Flutter at altitude |
I waste too much time now on eight other dissimilar sites, but I can
surmise the discussion must be interesting.
Ken Scott rehashed his ole RVator article to get into Kitplanes as a
contributing author. Few readers have noticed that Ken and VANS is
deeply concerned (more than any other kit company) on Flutter. With
5,000 flying... they should know. Let's see 71 out of 5000, that is
less than 2% and our RV-10s are considerably heavier, more powerful with
more useful load. I conclude they are a different cat all together. Is
Ken warning us of a design flaw(s)? Could it be weight reduction issues
based on a reduced rib count, thin skin or flimsy design? I think not.
but Chicken Little sure has me looking to the sky for falling parts.
Most RV-10 Builders would rather give up an arm than stop drinking the
Kool aid and research such a possibility.
I am pursuing with several Aeronautical Engineers who write regular
stories, what things can be improved on the RV-10 to reduce the risk of
Flutter and allow greater actual (IAS at the service ceiling) airspeeds
like many other kit built aircraft. I still don't know how we did it in
WWII with fabric covered control surfaces. I understand clearly that the
Lurkers are now scurrying to VAN to report such blasphemy but I was
reflecting that just this morning - In the last three years, little has
been done to improve the written instructions, address the known issues
brought by this group and any indication that the existing product could
ever be improved upon. I think VAN needs a panel of builders who have
built and now fly the 10 to guide such an improvement process.
Re-reading about flutter just get's my heart jumping like a butterfly.
All of the benefits I have seen have been through open minds, open
discussion, sharing of build techniques and those willing to stick their
necks out to improve the final quality of a Great kit - the RV-10. How
many have recently viewed Dan's site for total accidents and studied the
NTSB reports on those that were fatals? It is a sick thought... just
like Flutter and just a valuable.
I for one declare the Kitplane article - clear propaganda and challenge
the other kit component manufacturers sitting on VANS 51% Rewrite
Committee to fess up they are placing their owners at risk with speeds
greater than our beloved RV-10s. They don't have 5,000 flying, they
don't discuss flutter and they should as well. With the understanding
can come an increase in design improvement with speed, altitude and
economy to boot. It sure got attention though.
Could I have another glass, please? I'll go back to reading the
instructions or taking a long nap now.
John C.
PS - John, no one has placed a price on that cheap Beech of Tom's, so if
you are interested, I have a 50% interest in a Beech A-36 to get you
through the build process at Lenhardt's Airpark.
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:28 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Flutter at altitude
Most of you are probably watching the TAS / IAS flutter thread on the
generic RV Matronics site. Some of you have already weighed in. My
question for RV-10 flyers, has anyone come up with a "at altitude IAS
speed limitation" chart? Is anyone thinking about such? In essence,
IAS Vne for 10k, 12k, 14k, 16k, 18k?
John (how in the heck did you guys rivet the spar to the trim tabs)
Jessen
#40328
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| Subject: | Battery question |
Both charge rate and total amp hours charged are a function of battery
voltage, battery internal resistance, alternator voltage and alternator
capacity. Assuming you have an alternator putting out 14.1 volts or so,
your charge voltage is the same for both batteries even though charge rate
may be different. In other words, for normal conditions having two
batteries of similar full charge terminal voltage it makes little difference
for them to be run in parallel on one alternator.
If however you have a battery with very low terminal voltage, it will draw
current from the battery with the higher terminal voltage. As this
condition implies you ran a battery into the ground, the right thing to do
is to try to recover the dead battery using an external charger with the
good battery disconnected, on the ground. If it does not come back, replace
it. If you are running two batteries because of dual electronic ignitions
and all electric panel (like my RV-8A), replace the battery anytime you
abuse it. I also replace one battery each annual (both are Odyssey PC625).
The old batteries have been just fine, but at $90 or so a battery this is
cheap insurance to make sure battery capacity (amphrs) is adequate to keep
the plane in the air under IFR conditions if the alternator and one battery
(or more likely battery wiring) fails.
Carl Froehlich
RV-10 (wings)
RV-8A (300 hrs)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Vern W. Smith
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Battery question
With this talk about aux batteries got me thinking. How are people
limiting the charging of the second battery if the battery is of a
smaller capacity than the main battery? Is there some sort of charge
limiting circuit available or is there enough internal resistance in the
batteries to keep them from over charging?
Vern (#324 fuselage)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Battery question
Yeah, I have a bank of 4 small 6v batteries in a series-parallel
arrangement to give 12V in a thin but long pack. I can't answer
the question on the crank between the 680 and 925, but I'm pretty
happy with the CG range and the operation of the aux battieries.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Wing Root Connectors |
The one that Stein sells for $31 or so. It seems to work great with the
open pins, which Series 1 CPC's are. If you are going to have all small
wires, then going with Series 2 is "better" because they have barrel pins,
but then you have to do something else with your strobes, landing lights,
pitot heat, etc, so you are really stuck with the Series 1 for the wing
root. Stein sells it as a crimper for Molex type pins, which the CPC's look
like, but are better. Also, there are 3-4 different qualify of CPC pins and
I get the best or second best of two sizes, 18-16 and 24-20. The pins are
the most expensive part of the system (and arguably by far the most
important).
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Niko
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Root Connectors
John
Which crimping tool did you use?
Niko
40188
----- Original Message ----
From: John Testement <jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 9:16:11 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing Root Connectors
I used the CPC connectors and really like them. Got them from Mouser. Here
are the art numbers"
571-2060364 4.260
AMP Series 1 Two Pie
RECEPTACLE 16 PIN
571-2060371 2.820
AMP Series 1 CPC Cir
PLUG 16 POSITION
571-661033 0.360
AMP Series 1 CPC Cir
PIN 24-20
They also have larger AWG pins
571-661053 0.430
AMP Series 1 CPC Cir
SOCKET TERM 24-20
571-2060701 3.20
AMP CPC Accessories
STD CABLE CLAMP 17
I ended up using 2 connectors on one wing after adding 2 outside air probes
and 2 magnatometers
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep and LOTS of misc stuff
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Hein
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 2:21 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Wing Root Connectors
Anyone using any wing root connectors (between inboard section of the wing
and the fuselage) for the wiring?
If you are, or have thought about using them, which ones are you using?
I have already decided to have connectors there, so that decision is made
already. I am just at a loss for what is "standard" for connectors there.
-Jim 40384 (60 Degrees F today, expecting 4" snow tonight... Isn't New
England wonderful?)
--
4:36 PM
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| Subject: | Flutter at altitude |
Tom's Bonanza price is $58,000
Tom Deutsch #40545
Office 913 451-1222
Fax 913 451-6493
Cell 913 908-7752
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 2:21 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flutter at altitude
I waste too much time now on eight other dissimilar sites, but I can
surmise the discussion must be interesting.
Ken Scott rehashed his ole RVator article to get into Kitplanes as a
contributing author. Few readers have noticed that Ken and VANS is
deeply concerned (more than any other kit company) on Flutter. With
5,000 flying... they should know. Let's see 71 out of 5000, that is
less than 2% and our RV-10s are considerably heavier, more powerful with
more useful load. I conclude they are a different cat all together. Is
Ken warning us of a design flaw(s)? Could it be weight reduction issues
based on a reduced rib count, thin skin or flimsy design? I think not.
but Chicken Little sure has me looking to the sky for falling parts.
Most RV-10 Builders would rather give up an arm than stop drinking the
Kool aid and research such a possibility.
I am pursuing with several Aeronautical Engineers who write regular
stories, what things can be improved on the RV-10 to reduce the risk of
Flutter and allow greater actual (IAS at the service ceiling) airspeeds
like many other kit built aircraft. I still don't know how we did it in
WWII with fabric covered control surfaces. I understand clearly that the
Lurkers are now scurrying to VAN to report such blasphemy but I was
reflecting that just this morning - In the last three years, little has
been done to improve the written instructions, address the known issues
brought by this group and any indication that the existing product could
ever be improved upon. I think VAN needs a panel of builders who have
built and now fly the 10 to guide such an improvement process.
Re-reading about flutter just get's my heart jumping like a butterfly.
All of the benefits I have seen have been through open minds, open
discussion, sharing of build techniques and those willing to stick their
necks out to improve the final quality of a Great kit - the RV-10. How
many have recently viewed Dan's site for total accidents and studied the
NTSB reports on those that were fatals? It is a sick thought... just
like Flutter and just a valuable.
I for one declare the Kitplane article - clear propaganda and challenge
the other kit component manufacturers sitting on VANS 51% Rewrite
Committee to fess up they are placing their owners at risk with speeds
greater than our beloved RV-10s. They don't have 5,000 flying, they
don't discuss flutter and they should as well. With the understanding
can come an increase in design improvement with speed, altitude and
economy to boot. It sure got attention though.
Could I have another glass, please? I'll go back to reading the
instructions or taking a long nap now.
John C.
PS - John, no one has placed a price on that cheap Beech of Tom's, so if
you are interested, I have a 50% interest in a Beech A-36 to get you
through the build process at Lenhardt's Airpark.
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:28 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Flutter at altitude
Most of you are probably watching the TAS / IAS flutter thread on the
generic RV Matronics site. Some of you have already weighed in. My
question for RV-10 flyers, has anyone come up with a "at altitude IAS
speed limitation" chart? Is anyone thinking about such? In essence,
IAS Vne for 10k, 12k, 14k, 16k, 18k?
John (how in the heck did you guys rivet the spar to the trim tabs)
Jessen
#40328
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>
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| Subject: | Battery question |
Carl,
Thanks for the reply. Using the same sized batteries and replacing one
each annual seems prudent and reasonable for an all electric airplane.
I'm to the point I need to get serious about the main electrical
schematic, but I'll have a better idea of my wants/needs after
Sun-N-Fun.
Thanks again,
Vern Smith (#324 fuselage0
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl
Froehlich
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:45 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Battery question
<carl.froehlich@cox.net>
Both charge rate and total amp hours charged are a function of battery
voltage, battery internal resistance, alternator voltage and alternator
capacity. Assuming you have an alternator putting out 14.1 volts or so,
your charge voltage is the same for both batteries even though charge
rate
may be different. In other words, for normal conditions having two
batteries of similar full charge terminal voltage it makes little
difference
for them to be run in parallel on one alternator.
If however you have a battery with very low terminal voltage, it will
draw
current from the battery with the higher terminal voltage. As this
condition implies you ran a battery into the ground, the right thing to
do
is to try to recover the dead battery using an external charger with the
good battery disconnected, on the ground. If it does not come back,
replace
it. If you are running two batteries because of dual electronic
ignitions
and all electric panel (like my RV-8A), replace the battery anytime you
abuse it. I also replace one battery each annual (both are Odyssey
PC625).
The old batteries have been just fine, but at $90 or so a battery this
is
cheap insurance to make sure battery capacity (amphrs) is adequate to
keep
the plane in the air under IFR conditions if the alternator and one
battery
(or more likely battery wiring) fails.
Carl Froehlich
RV-10 (wings)
RV-8A (300 hrs)
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| Subject: | did anyone save the D2A wiring instructions? |
hey all -
at the risk of poking still healing wounds, i wondered if anyone managed
to download and save the wiring instructions that D2A finally came up
with right before they went kaput? I thought i had saved it somewhere,
but can't find it. Anyone?
thanks!
cj
#40410
fuse
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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| Subject: | Wing Root Connectors |
I don't know the model but bought the crimp tool for various sizes of molex
pins from Stein. I would call SteinAir.com for the crimpers,
John Testement
HYPERLINK "mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com"jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep and LOTS of misc stuff
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Niko
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Root Connectors
John
Which crimping tool did you use?
Niko
40188
----- Original Message ----
From: John Testement <jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 9:16:11 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wing Root Connectors
I used the CPC connectors and really like them. Got them from Mouser. Here
are the art numbers"
571-2060364 4.260
AMP Series 1 Two Pie
RECEPTACLE 16 PIN
571-2060371 2.820
AMP Series 1 CPC Cir
PLUG 16 POSITION
571-661033 0.360
AMP Series 1 CPC Cir
PIN 24-20
They also have larger AWG pins
571-661053 0.430
AMP Series 1 CPC Cir
SOCKET TERM 24-20
571-2060701 3.20
AMP CPC Accessories
STD CABLE CLAMP 17
I ended up using 2 connectors on one wing after adding 2 outside air probes
and 2 magnatometers
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep and LOTS of misc stuff
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Hein
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 2:21 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Wing Root Connectors
Anyone using any wing root connectors (between inboard section of the wing
and the fuselage) for the wiring?
If you are, or have thought about using them, which ones are you using?
I have already decided to have connectors there, so that decision is made
already. I am just at a loss for what is "standard" for connectors there.
-Jim 40384 (60 Degrees F today, expecting 4" snow tonight... Isn't New
England wonderful?)
--
4:36 PM
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| Subject: | did anyone save the D2A wiring instructions? |
Chris
We can ask Tim if he will post them on his site, I kept a copy of all of
the new diagrams they sent plus their base assumptions. This is how they
planned to build their wiring harness, is that what you are looking for?
Dan
N289DT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Johnston
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: did anyone save the D2A wiring instructions?
hey all -
at the risk of poking still healing wounds, i wondered if anyone managed
to download and save the wiring instructions that D2A finally came up
with right before they went kaput? I thought i had saved it somewhere,
but can't find it. Anyone?
thanks!
cj
#40410
fuse
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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| Subject: | did anyone save the D2A wiring instructions? |
I think I have it. I will look when I get back to my computer.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
352-427-0285
-----Original Message-----
From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
Sent: 3/27/2007 7:36 PM
Subject: RV10-List: did anyone save the D2A wiring instructions?
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| Subject: | Trim Tab Riveting (was flutter at altitude) |
John,
Are you talking about riveting the trim tab spar to the skin? I just
did that Sunday, and found the best way to do it was to back rivet it
using the 12" back rivet set from Cleaveland tools. I love that tool
and use it wherever I can.
Jack Phillips
#40610
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flutter at altitude
The first question probably isn't practical for all but the
most anal of people....but many of the EFIS systems read
TAS anyway, so it's a non-issue then.
As for the trim tabs.....rivet the hinge alone perhaps, then
pin it.
Tim
do not archive
John Jessen wrote:
> Most of you are probably watching the TAS / IAS flutter thread on the
> generic RV Matronics site. Some of you have already weighed in. My
> question for RV-10 flyers, has anyone come up with a "at altitude IAS
> speed limitation" chart? Is anyone thinking about such? In essence,
> IAS Vne for 10k, 12k, 14k, 16k, 18k?
>
> John (how in the heck did you guys rivet the spar to the trim tabs)
Jessen
> #40328
>
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| Subject: | did anyone save the D2A wiring instructions? |
Someone helped me out already! Thanks all.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Johnston
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: did anyone save the D2A wiring instructions?
hey all -
at the risk of poking still healing wounds, i wondered if anyone managed
to download and save the wiring instructions that D2A finally came up
with right before they went kaput? I thought i had saved it somewhere,
but can't find it. Anyone?
thanks!
cj
#40410
fuse
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
do not archive
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Chris
Is this what you were looking for?
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 3:36 PM
Subject: RV10-List: did anyone save the D2A wiring instructions?
> hey all -
>
> at the risk of poking still healing wounds, i wondered if anyone managed
> to download and save the wiring instructions that D2A finally came up with
> right before they went kaput? I thought i had saved it somewhere, but
> can't find it. Anyone?
>
> thanks!
> cj
> #40410
> fuse
> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
> do not archive
>
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Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: did anyone save the D2A wiring instructions?
hey all -
at the risk of poking still healing wounds, i wondered if anyone managed to
download and save the wiring instructions that D2A finally came up with
right before they went kaput? I thought i had saved it somewhere, but can't
find it. Anyone?
thanks!
cj
#40410
fuse
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Good Test of cockpit lighting/Defrost Fans with Night |
IFR De
Here is an article on Flight Deck Lighting with some background on who uses
what.
http://208.37.5.10/hf/hf_sept-oct03.pdf
Kevin
40494
tail/empennage
>
> Tim
>
> Great info on your cockpit lighting and good timing as I am making those
> decisions now for my panel. I recently posed the question of red versus
> blue lighting to a friend who is an ophthalmologist, long time pilot with
> 6 planes ( C421, C185 on floats, C150, Pitts, Fuqua jet, Eclipse vlj on
> order. Must be tough staying current in all his toys.) Without getting
> into a discussion of photoreceptors and how the eye works, his response is
> "if you are primarily interested in seeing outside the cockpit go with red
> lights. If you are more concerned about reading maps, charts, etc in the
> cockpit go with blue lighting." He uses only blue.
>
> Jim Berry
> 40482 Finishing
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| Subject: | Trim Tab Riveting (was flutter at altitude) |
Yes. What a great idea, if I only had a 12" back rivet set! I did figure
out you can make do with a longeron yoke. Worked just fine, but it took my
brain awhile to determine that I had to mount the hand squeezer in a vise so
I could control the situation. I'll write it up and put it on the web site.
But if I had had the 12", that would have been a better approach. Thanks
for the suggestion!
John Jessen
Now for some proseal...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:43 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Trim Tab Riveting (was flutter at altitude)
--> <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
John,
Are you talking about riveting the trim tab spar to the skin? I just did
that Sunday, and found the best way to do it was to back rivet it using the
12" back rivet set from Cleaveland tools. I love that tool and use it
wherever I can.
Jack Phillips
#40610
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flutter at altitude
The first question probably isn't practical for all but the most anal of
people....but many of the EFIS systems read TAS anyway, so it's a non-issue
then.
As for the trim tabs.....rivet the hinge alone perhaps, then pin it.
Tim
do not archive
John Jessen wrote:
> Most of you are probably watching the TAS / IAS flutter thread on the
> generic RV Matronics site. Some of you have already weighed in. My
> question for RV-10 flyers, has anyone come up with a "at altitude IAS
> speed limitation" chart? Is anyone thinking about such? In essence,
> IAS Vne for 10k, 12k, 14k, 16k, 18k?
>
> John (how in the heck did you guys rivet the spar to the trim tabs)
Jessen
> #40328
>
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