RV10-List Digest Archive

Thu 03/29/07


Total Messages Posted: 33



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 07:19 AM - Re: QB Wings (David Maib)
     2. 07:42 AM - Re: Interior paint! (John Gonzalez)
     3. 07:49 AM - Pics of Dual battery tray (John Gonzalez)
     4. 08:34 AM - Re: Interior paint! (Vern W. Smith)
     5. 09:06 AM - Re: Interior paint! (John Gonzalez)
     6. 10:18 AM - Re: TAS and Vne & Flutter at Altitude (LessDragProd@aol.com)
     7. 11:09 AM - Lubon 404 (Niko)
     8. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: TAS and Vne & Flutter at Altitude (Bill DeRouchey)
     9. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: TAS and Vne & Flutter at Altitude (Tim Olson)
    10. 12:17 PM - Comant installation question (Jay Brinkmeyer)
    11. 12:33 PM - Re: Re: TAS and Vne & Flutter at Altitude (John Jessen)
    12. 12:34 PM - Re: did anyone save the D2A wiring instructions? (Larry Rosen)
    13. 12:35 PM - Re: Comant installation question (Ralph E. Capen)
    14. 12:42 PM - Re: Interior paint! - Zolatone (Larry Rosen)
    15. 12:47 PM - Re: Comant installation question (John Gonzalez)
    16. 12:48 PM - Re: Comant installation question ()
    17. 12:51 PM - Re: Comant installation question (Larry Rosen)
    18. 01:28 PM - Re: Pics of Dual battery tray (Bill & Tami Britton)
    19. 01:44 PM - Re: Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons (Michael D Chase)
    20. 02:04 PM - Re: Interior paint! (kilopapa@antelecom.net)
    21. 02:07 PM - Re: Pics of Dual battery tray (kilopapa@antelecom.net)
    22. 02:25 PM - Re: Pics of Dual battery tray (Michael Lefever)
    23. 02:26 PM - Re: Interior paint! (John Gonzalez)
    24. 02:30 PM -  (Michael Lefever)
    25. 02:39 PM - Re: Pics of Dual battery tray (John Gonzalez)
    26. 03:10 PM - Re: Pics of Dual battery tray ()
    27. 03:33 PM - Re: Pics of Dual battery tray (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
    28. 04:58 PM - Re: Comant installation question (John Testement)
    29. 05:46 PM - AFP Purge Valve Cable Connection (Mike Kraus)
    30. 07:58 PM - Re: QB Wings (Dave Leikam)
    31. 08:12 PM - Re: QB Wings (David Maib)
    32. 09:57 PM - Re: Re: TAS and Vne & Flutter at Altitude (DejaVu)
    33. 09:58 PM - Re: Re: TAS and Vne & Flutter at Altitude (DejaVu)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:19:46 AM PST US
    From: David Maib <dmaib@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: QB Wings
    Dave, here are some photos of our wings being delivered. The camera was set wrong so the colors are off, but you can see what they look like. http://web.mac.com/dmaib/iWeb/Mary%20and%20David%27s%20Excellent% 20Adventure/D-Day.html I made my wing cradles like the one shown here. They work great. Don't forget to anchor the spars to the cradle to avoid having one of them slip off and dent the leading edge while you are moving the cradle. Don't ask me how I know about this. http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/WingStand/index.html David Maib #40559 Wings On Mar 28, 2007, at 11:52 PM, Dave Leikam wrote: My QB wings and fuse are due to arrive next Tuesday. Does anyone have a good picture of the QB wings as they are when delivered? I want to build a wing cradle. I have looked at the pics on Tim's site and others, but I would still like to see what I will be dealing with. Dave Leikam 40496 Do not archive www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List_- ============================================================ _- forums.matronics.com_- ===========================================================


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    Time: 07:42:26 AM PST US
    From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
    Subject: Interior paint!
    HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF INTERIOR PAINT...ZOLATONE >From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Interior paint! >Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:39:22 -0700 > > >I'll shot some off from the office tomorrow. I have dial up here at >home...no other options other than satallite. My best buddy's parents who >live in a small mountain town outside of Beruit, Lebanon have high speed >and I can't get it here in the Santa Monica mountains outside of Los >Angeles. > >JOhn G. > > >>From: "rtitsworth" <rtitsworth@mindspring.com> >>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> >>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Interior paint! >>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:09:29 -0400 >> >> >>Got any photo? >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez >>Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 6:58 PM >> >> >>As for painting the interior, just want to let you all know that I painted >>my interior with Zolatone using two different colors and the results were >>quite nice. The tunnel cover, the aft wall and the roof will be a >>different >>color than the rest. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 07:49:27 AM PST US
    From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
    Subject: Pics of Dual battery tray
    I spent a fair amount of time putting this thing together, a surprising amount of time. It was acutally more complex than it looks. JOhn G. 409


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    Time: 08:34:17 AM PST US
    Subject: Interior paint!
    From: "Vern W. Smith" <Vern@teclabsinc.com>
    John, Very nice results and much lighter than upholstered panels. A few questions about the process. 1. What primer did you use under the Zolatone? 2. Did you over coat the Zolatone with clear polyurethane? 3. Have you pre-fitted the cabin top or does that come later? 4. Are you installing a headliner or using Zolatone on the cabin roof? Thanks, Vern Smith (#324 riveting fuselage skins) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 7:42 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Interior paint! HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF INTERIOR PAINT...ZOLATONE


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    Time: 09:06:42 AM PST US
    From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
    Subject: Interior paint!
    I used the primer that Aircraft spruce sells, but there is some confusion on the directions on the Zolatone web site as far as what primer is used on aluminum versus ferious metals. There are conflicting statements regarding aluminum. Mine was a quick build fuselage and it appears that the Shermin Williams primer was compartible with the zolatone because the Zolatone overspray appears to have adherred quite well. I would test it without a primer if you have been using the Sherwin William's product or have a Quick build. Go to their web site for more information. No overcoat is necessary, it will also make any future repairs very easy. As you can see from the picture I did a real nice job of masking off the areas that interact with the cabin top. It will be easy to spot shoot and lapse in coverage. The cabin top has not been fitted. The cabin top will be the same black color as the aft wall and tunnel cover. It is cool because it looks like fabric in that it is textured. Hope it give some people some options to think about. John G. >From: "Vern W. Smith" <Vern@teclabsinc.com> >To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Interior paint! >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:33:39 -0700 > > >John, > >Very nice results and much lighter than upholstered panels. A few >questions about the process. > >1. What primer did you use under the Zolatone? >2. Did you over coat the Zolatone with clear polyurethane? >3. Have you pre-fitted the cabin top or does that come later? >4. Are you installing a headliner or using Zolatone on the cabin roof? >Thanks, > >Vern Smith (#324 riveting fuselage skins) >Do not archive > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez >Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 7:42 AM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Interior paint! > >HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF INTERIOR PAINT...ZOLATONE > >


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    Time: 10:18:07 AM PST US
    From: LessDragProd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: TAS and Vne & Flutter at Altitude
    I was told that the MU-2 has an airspeed indicator that shows the critical airspeed for that flight altitude. The critical airspeed is shown as a moving (red?) line on the IAS indicator. Another method I've heard of using is an indicated airspeed to a fairly low altitude like 10,000' and a limiting Mach number above that altitude. Part 23 identifies a maximum operating airspeed (Vmo) and a maximum operating Mach number (Mmo) as airspeed limits. Where Vmo is an IAS? And Mmo as a fixed Mach number is a varying TAS? (Mach 1 being about 760 knots TAS at sea level to about 660 knots TAS at 35,000?) The RMI Microencoder in my RV-3 can provide a Mach number readout. I haven't tried it, but if I remember correctly, I can input a set point for an audio alarm and/or flashing display to the Mach number. BTW, I estimated a limiting Mach number of about 0.26 for 230 mph TAS at 10,000'. Anyone have a better number? The Dynon D-10 & D-10A provides a TAS readout when their OAT is used. I understand that there is no provision at this time for an alarm on the TAS. Anyone have information on their flight system and the ability to set an alarm on TAS or Mach number? Regards, Jim Ayers ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.


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    Time: 11:09:34 AM PST US
    From: Niko <owl40188@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Lubon 404
    Any substitutes for Lubon 404 on the brake fittings? Niko 40188


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    Time: 11:17:48 AM PST US
    From: Bill DeRouchey <billderou@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: TAS and Vne & Flutter at Altitude
    I communicated with John Cox earlier in the week on this same subject. My air data computer is providing accurate numbers [OAT, IAS, Palt] and with the proper formulas could provide the pilot with information to fly right on Vne. My assumption here was that Vans margins far exceed the sum of my errors. However, this brings up several issues that need to be addressed first: 1) Is it safe to fly at Vne? This needs to be answered by Vans and other aerospace engineers. 2) Is it safe to fly through turbulence at Vne? I know its the turbulence that kicks off the flutter but need to ask the question. Are there maximum stick forces that cannot be exceeded when recovering from this turbulence? Would the autopilot exceed these forces? 3) What is the true significance of the IAS red area? 4) Assuming its safe to fly at Vne, what are the resonable HP increases or turbo increases that make good engineering sense for the RV-10? 5) Up to now I have not been a proponent to logging PFD data to a flash file that could be used after an accident by the NTSB or lawyers. However, if we are going to help our pilots fly at Vne then it would make sense to log all information so we could learn should something go very wrong. In general, I have mixed emotions about helping the pilots boost the horsepower and fly at Vne unless it can be accomplished safely. Bill DeRouchey WTDAviationTechnology N939SB, flying slowly at 196mph TAS bill@wtdaviationtechnology.com LessDragProd@aol.com wrote: I was told that the MU-2 has an airspeed indicator that shows the critical airspeed for that flight altitude. The critical airspeed is shown as a moving (red?) line on the IAS indicator. Another method I've heard of using is an indicated airspeed to a fairly low altitude like 10,000' and a limiting Mach number above that altitude. Part 23 identifies a maximum operating airspeed (Vmo) and a maximum operating Mach number (Mmo) as airspeed limits. Where Vmo is an IAS? And Mmo as a fixed Mach number is a varying TAS? (Mach 1 being about 760 knots TAS at sea level to about 660 knots TAS at 35,000?) The RMI Microencoder in my RV-3 can provide a Mach number readout. I haven't tried it, but if I remember correctly, I can input a set point for an audio alarm and/or flashing display to the Mach number. BTW, I estimated a limiting Mach number of about 0.26 for 230 mph TAS at 10,000'. Anyone have a better number? The Dynon D-10 & D-10A provides a TAS readout when their OAT is used. I understand that there is no provision at this time for an alarm on the TAS. Anyone have information on their flight system and the ability to set an alarm on TAS or Mach number? Regards, Jim Ayers --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com.


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    Time: 11:48:11 AM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: TAS and Vne & Flutter at Altitude
    I thought this was the whole purpose of the yellow arc... And, thru any significant turbulence it's much wiser to ensure you're also below Va, (maneuvering speed), which is also not a fixed number. Va decreases as the gross wt. decreases....so a heavier plane has a higher Va, and in any kind of significant turbulence you'd want to be below Va. To complicate matters, some certified planes also have a maximum turbulence penetration speed that is a separate number. To me, this whole worry about Vne is pretty irrelevant to my flying the RV-10, as I have no need or interest in passing up the listed 200kts be it using IAS or TAS. But, the issue of turbulence....now there's one that quickly gets my attention. I don't often descend under full cruise power and it's not to stay away from Vne, but to stay closer to the lower numbers on the yellow arc, as I descend into the rougher air. In short, I'm much more turbulence squeamish than a top-speed-monger. John knows exactly some of which experiences helped to reinforce that with me. Just smacked my head on the canopy 2 weeks ago too. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive > 2) Is it safe to fly through turbulence at Vne? I know its the > turbulence that kicks off the flutter but need to ask the question. Are > there maximum stick forces that cannot be exceeded when recovering from > this turbulence? Would the autopilot exceed these forces?


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    Time: 12:17:43 PM PST US
    From: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Comant installation question
    For those of you who attached Comant antennas on the fuse underside... Where exactly did you rivet your Comant doublers beneath the rear seats? The 2nd bay in or really in the outboard-most bay? Did you install the doublers and wire up the antennas and then rivet in the floor or did you save the floor final attach for later? I'm thinking I'll bugger up the antennas if I put 'em on now and close up the floors. Anyone have any photos of the actual installation? Thanks in advance, Jay TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/


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    Time: 12:33:53 PM PST US
    From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
    Subject: Re: TAS and Vne & Flutter at Altitude
    Yes. I think it's been a valuable dialog about IAS and TAS and flutter. It raises awareness, and the topic is woefully lacking in any flight manual of any certified that I've flown. With experimentals, especially with folks trying to explore the envelope, its important to keep in mind. From a practical standpoint, however, given a close to stock plane, it is probably not all that important, unless you spend a great deal of flying time in the teens and wanted to trade some of that altitude for speed. Should you want to do that, turbulence is more likely an issue. You go into a turbulent zone after all that smooth air, and you do it high into that yellow arc, then you are being a true test pilot. I for one would like to know what my TAS limits are at altitude. Why not? And, if I had to get down in a hurry, I'd sure like to know what they are at that moment, and clearly so. Not have to look them up somewhere. (So, they will be calculated and part of my high tech emergency get down quick laminated card that is stuck somewhere in the side pocket, unless I left it back at the hanger after I cleaned the plane out because of that damn turbulent ride across the Rockies that made me spill my enchilada with taco sauce all over my good jeans). John J do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 11:48 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: TAS and Vne & Flutter at Altitude I thought this was the whole purpose of the yellow arc... And, thru any significant turbulence it's much wiser to ensure you're also below Va, (maneuvering speed), which is also not a fixed number. Va decreases as the gross wt. decreases....so a heavier plane has a higher Va, and in any kind of significant turbulence you'd want to be below Va. To complicate matters, some certified planes also have a maximum turbulence penetration speed that is a separate number. To me, this whole worry about Vne is pretty irrelevant to my flying the RV-10, as I have no need or interest in passing up the listed 200kts be it using IAS or TAS. But, the issue of turbulence....now there's one that quickly gets my attention. I don't often descend under full cruise power and it's not to stay away from Vne, but to stay closer to the lower numbers on the yellow arc, as I descend into the rougher air. In short, I'm much more turbulence squeamish than a top-speed-monger. John knows exactly some of which experiences helped to reinforce that with me. Just smacked my head on the canopy 2 weeks ago too. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive > 2) Is it safe to fly through turbulence at Vne? I know its the > turbulence that kicks off the flutter but need to ask the question. > Are there maximum stick forces that cannot be exceeded when recovering > from this turbulence? Would the autopilot exceed these forces?


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    Time: 12:34:38 PM PST US
    From: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: did anyone save the D2A wiring instructions?
    There is a Rev B of the instructions. If anyone wants it email me off list. Larry Rosen Jesse Saint wrote: > Do not archive. > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation, Inc. > jesse@saintaviation.com > www.saintaviation.com > Cell: 352-427-0285 > Fax: 815-377-3694 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:37 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: did anyone save the D2A wiring instructions? > > hey all - > > at the risk of poking still healing wounds, i wondered if anyone managed to > download and save the wiring instructions that D2A finally came up with > right before they went kaput? I thought i had saved it somewhere, but can't > find it. Anyone? > > thanks! > cj > #40410 > fuse > www.perfectlygoodairplane.net > do not archive >


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    Time: 12:35:44 PM PST US
    From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Comant installation question
    I've got photos of what I did for my 6A...It's underneath the right seat. Since I nutplated in the seatbottom, I decided to make the antenna removable, dimpled the attach screw holes and made a second plate to cover the center hole. Zap me direct...... -----Original Message----- >From: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> >Sent: Mar 29, 2007 3:16 PM >To: RV10 <rv10-list@matronics.com> >Subject: RV10-List: Comant installation question > > >For those of you who attached Comant antennas on the fuse underside... > >Where exactly did you rivet your Comant doublers beneath the rear seats? The >2nd bay in or really in the outboard-most bay? Did you install the doublers and >wire up the antennas and then rivet in the floor or did you save the floor >final attach for later? I'm thinking I'll bugger up the antennas if I put 'em >on now and close up the floors. > >Anyone have any photos of the actual installation? > >Thanks in advance, >Jay > > > >TV dinner still cooling? >Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. >http://tv.yahoo.com/ > >


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    Time: 12:42:57 PM PST US
    From: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Interior paint! - Zolatone
    Here are some links for Zolatone <http://www.autobodysupply.net/Zolatonecolors.htm> <http://www.zolatoneaim.com/index.html> And a photo of Lancair RG Legacy interior painted with Zolatone <http://legacyfg.jconserv.net/viewtopic.php?t=11&highlight=zolatone> Larry Rosen #356 John Gonzalez wrote: > > I used the primer that Aircraft spruce sells, but there is some > confusion on the directions on the Zolatone web site as far as what > primer is used on aluminum versus ferious metals. There are > conflicting statements regarding aluminum. Mine was a quick build > fuselage and it appears that the Shermin Williams primer was > compartible with the zolatone because the Zolatone overspray appears > to have adherred quite well. I would test it without a primer if you > have been using the Sherwin William's product or have a Quick build. > Go to their web site for more information. > > No overcoat is necessary, it will also make any future repairs very easy. > > As you can see from the picture I did a real nice job of masking off > the areas that interact with the cabin top. It will be easy to spot > shoot and lapse in coverage. The cabin top has not been fitted. > > The cabin top will be the same black color as the aft wall and tunnel > cover. It is cool because it looks like fabric in that it is textured. > > Hope it give some people some options to think about. > > John G. > >


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    Time: 12:47:01 PM PST US
    From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
    Subject: Comant installation question
    My antenna is beneath the baggage floor. I did the doubler, rivetted it in place but did not instal the antenna in. I have three access panels in the bagggage floor. one for the antenna, one for each of the side step bolts. In my case, anything down there is going to get wacked as I move it out of my building area. John >From: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> >To: RV10 <rv10-list@matronics.com> >Subject: RV10-List: Comant installation question >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:16:45 -0700 (PDT) > > >For those of you who attached Comant antennas on the fuse underside... > >Where exactly did you rivet your Comant doublers beneath the rear seats? >The >2nd bay in or really in the outboard-most bay? Did you install the doublers >and >wire up the antennas and then rivet in the floor or did you save the floor >final attach for later? I'm thinking I'll bugger up the antennas if I put >'em >on now and close up the floors. > >Anyone have any photos of the actual installation? > >Thanks in advance, >Jay > > >TV dinner still cooling? >Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. >http://tv.yahoo.com/ > >


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    Time: 12:48:36 PM PST US
    From: <millstees@ameritech.net>
    Subject: Comant installation question
    Jay: I just installed my Comant bent whip antenna (CI-122) under the left back seat (just 1 antenna), 1 bay outboard of the center channel, and about 4" aft of the aft spar. I installed a doubler with nut plates attached to the doubler, so the antenna can be removed. I have not downloaded the pictures yet; if you would like to see them, I can get the to you tomorrow. Steve Mills N750SM (reserved) RV-10 40486 Slow-build Naperville, Illinois finishing fuselage Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 2:35 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Comant installation question I've got photos of what I did for my 6A...It's underneath the right seat. Since I nutplated in the seatbottom, I decided to make the antenna removable, dimpled the attach screw holes and made a second plate to cover the center hole. Zap me direct...... -----Original Message----- >From: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> >Sent: Mar 29, 2007 3:16 PM >To: RV10 <rv10-list@matronics.com> >Subject: RV10-List: Comant installation question > > >For those of you who attached Comant antennas on the fuse underside... > >Where exactly did you rivet your Comant doublers beneath the rear seats? The >2nd bay in or really in the outboard-most bay? Did you install the doublers and >wire up the antennas and then rivet in the floor or did you save the floor >final attach for later? I'm thinking I'll bugger up the antennas if I put 'em >on now and close up the floors. > >Anyone have any photos of the actual installation? > >Thanks in advance, >Jay > > > >TV dinner still cooling? >Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. >http://tv.yahoo.com/ > >


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    Time: 12:51:12 PM PST US
    From: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Comant installation question
    Photos of how my antenna location and doublers are here <http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/Log/Fuselage/ComAntennaDoubler/index.html> I fabricated an access panel above. On my next RV-10 build ;-) I would install it just forward of the rear seat, under the flap torque tube. Larry Rosen #356 Jay Brinkmeyer wrote: > > For those of you who attached Comant antennas on the fuse underside... > > Where exactly did you rivet your Comant doublers beneath the rear seats? The > 2nd bay in or really in the outboard-most bay? Did you install the doublers and > wire up the antennas and then rivet in the floor or did you save the floor > final attach for later? I'm thinking I'll bugger up the antennas if I put 'em > on now and close up the floors. > > Anyone have any photos of the actual installation? > > Thanks in advance, > Jay > > > > TV dinner still cooling? > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > > >


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    Time: 01:28:20 PM PST US
    From: "Bill & Tami Britton" <william@gbta.net>
    Subject: Re: Pics of Dual battery tray
    You should put together a kit and sell it. I am going to do a dual battery tray and I'm not sure just yet how I will do it. Forgive my ignorance because I've not studied the battery tray and parts yet, but how many of the parts are already included in the tailcone kit and which ones did you fabricate??? Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:48 AM Subject: RV10-List: Pics of Dual battery tray >I spent a fair amount of time putting this thing together, a surprising > amount of time. It was acutally more complex than it looks. > > JOhn G. 409 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4:23 PM


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    Time: 01:44:14 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons
    From: Michael D Chase <MChase@gdatp.com>
    Tim, How about flying over to Vermont and working on my tailcone for a few hours and I will go flying for a change? Michael Chase General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products 802-657-6029 Office 802-922-5930 Cell mchase@gdatp.com This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is private, confidential, or exempt from disclosure. Any unauthorized review, use, copying, printing, disclosure, retention, or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply to this e-mail, and delete all copies without disclosing this message to others. Thank you. Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> Sent by: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com 03/22/2007 10:23 PM Please respond to rv10-list@matronics.com To rv10-list@matronics.com cc Subject Re: RV10-List: Aileron Rigging Tip - Prevent Droopy Ailerons I've been afflicted with a disease caused by my lack of a kit to work on. It's symptoms include laziness, apathy, weight gain, and all sorts of nasty things, but on the upside, my flying skills have improved because the disease causes a high affinity to burning 100LL fuel. Pretty soon I'll need to get me a tail kit or something before it does some permanent damage. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Rick wrote: > > How come so many of us have asked before but now FINALLY an > answer...AND you had to get your wife to do it!!!! :) > > Rick S. 40185 > > do not archive >


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    Time: 02:04:25 PM PST US
    From: kilopapa@antelecom.net
    Subject: Interior paint!
    What type of spray gun/size tip did you use? Thanks, Kevin 40494 ----- Original Message Follows ----- From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> Subject: Spam:***********, RE: RV10-List: Interior paint! >HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF INTERIOR PAINT...ZOLATONE


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    Time: 02:07:51 PM PST US
    From: kilopapa@antelecom.net
    Subject: Re: Pics of Dual battery tray
    What 2 batteries is it designed for? Looks nice and strong. Kevin 40494 ----- Original Message Follows ----- From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> Subject: RV10-List: Pics of Dual battery tray >I spent a fair amount of time putting this thing together, >a surprising amount of time. It was acutally more complex >than it looks. > >JOhn G. 409 > > >[Attachment: RV 10 013.jpg] >[Attachment: RV 10 015.jpg] >[Attachment: RV 10 017.jpg] >[Attachment: RV 10 022.jpg] >[Attachment: RV 10 024.jpg] >[Attachment: RV 10 027.jpg]


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    Time: 02:25:03 PM PST US
    From: "Michael Lefever" <RoxIanMike@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Pics of Dual battery tray
    thanks. I may try this as it will help with CG a little. I was wondering if anyone had moved the battery back further into the tailcone to move the CG back further? I haven't calculated it on the 10 but I know this helped some on our smaller 6 and 8 kits. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Gonzalez<mailto:indigoonlatigo@msn.com> To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 7:48 AM Subject: RV10-List: Pics of Dual battery tray I spent a fair amount of time putting this thing together, a surprising amount of time. It was acutally more complex than it looks. JOhn G. 409


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    Time: 02:26:26 PM PST US
    From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
    Subject: Interior paint!
    Go to the Zolatone web site and they tell you to use a Binks 2001, with a big tip on it. I don't recal the number because I could not locate one easily so I used a gun which shoot ceramic glaze. John >From: kilopapa@antelecom.net >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Interior paint! >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:03:13 -0800 > > >What type of spray gun/size tip did you use? > >Thanks, > >Kevin >40494 > > >----- Original Message Follows ----- >From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: Spam:***********, RE: RV10-List: Interior paint! >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:42:00 -0700 > > >HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF INTERIOR PAINT...ZOLATONE > >


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    Time: 02:30:37 PM PST US
    From: "Michael Lefever" <RoxIanMike@msn.com>
    Subject:
    FYI: If anyone has a large kit component like QB wings or fuse to ship from Van's to Arizona, now would be a good time to contact Tony Partain as he is putting together a load to bring my QB fuse to Chandler within the next 10 days.


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    Time: 02:39:24 PM PST US
    From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Pics of Dual battery tray
    The batteries are odyssey PC625s, with a little knowledge you should be able to tell which engine these are used for. Don't want to start a new/revisited topic. As for the parts, the only thing that comes with the tail kit is the base and the bellcrank. No, I will not be kitting this...I think I would be making about three dollars and hour after buying the materials. JOhn G. >From: kilopapa@antelecom.net >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV10-List: Pics of Dual battery tray >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:05:49 -0800 > > >What 2 batteries is it designed for? Looks nice and strong. > >Kevin >40494 > >----- Original Message Follows ----- >From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: Pics of Dual battery tray >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:48:59 -0700 > > >I spent a fair amount of time putting this thing together, > >a surprising amount of time. It was acutally more complex > >than it looks. > > > >JOhn G. 409 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >[Attachment: RV 10 013.jpg] > >[Attachment: RV 10 015.jpg] > >[Attachment: RV 10 017.jpg] > >[Attachment: RV 10 022.jpg] > >[Attachment: RV 10 024.jpg] > >[Attachment: RV 10 027.jpg] > >


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    Time: 03:10:31 PM PST US
    From: <millstees@ameritech.net>
    Subject: Pics of Dual battery tray
    John: I know what engine you are planning...I am doing the same, and just completed my battery tray along the same lines. I don't blame you for not wanting to get it started again ! Steve Mills RV-10 40486 Slow-build Naperville, Illinois finishing fuselage Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 4:39 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Pics of Dual battery tray The batteries are odyssey PC625s, with a little knowledge you should be able to tell which engine these are used for. Don't want to start a new/revisited topic. As for the parts, the only thing that comes with the tail kit is the base and the bellcrank. No, I will not be kitting this...I think I would be making about three dollars and hour after buying the materials. JOhn G. >From: kilopapa@antelecom.net >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV10-List: Pics of Dual battery tray >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:05:49 -0800 > > >What 2 batteries is it designed for? Looks nice and strong. > >Kevin >40494 > >----- Original Message Follows ----- >From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: Pics of Dual battery tray >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:48:59 -0700 > > >I spent a fair amount of time putting this thing together, > >a surprising amount of time. It was acutally more complex > >than it looks. > > > >JOhn G. 409 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >[Attachment: RV 10 013.jpg] > >[Attachment: RV 10 015.jpg] > >[Attachment: RV 10 017.jpg] > >[Attachment: RV 10 022.jpg] > >[Attachment: RV 10 024.jpg] > >[Attachment: RV 10 027.jpg] > >


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    Time: 03:33:38 PM PST US
    From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
    Subject: Pics of Dual battery tray
    You guys crack me up! Michael Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of millstees@ameritech.net Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 5:13 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Pics of Dual battery tray John: I know what engine you are planning...I am doing the same, and just completed my battery tray along the same lines. I don't blame you for not wanting to get it started again ! Steve Mills RV-10 40486 Slow-build Naperville, Illinois finishing fuselage Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 4:39 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Pics of Dual battery tray The batteries are odyssey PC625s, with a little knowledge you should be able to tell which engine these are used for. Don't want to start a new/revisited topic. As for the parts, the only thing that comes with the tail kit is the base and the bellcrank. No, I will not be kitting this...I think I would be making about three dollars and hour after buying the materials. JOhn G. >From: kilopapa@antelecom.net >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV10-List: Pics of Dual battery tray >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:05:49 -0800 > > >What 2 batteries is it designed for? Looks nice and strong. > >Kevin >40494 > >----- Original Message Follows ----- >From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: Pics of Dual battery tray >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:48:59 -0700 > > >I spent a fair amount of time putting this thing together, > >a surprising amount of time. It was acutally more complex > >than it looks. > > > >JOhn G. 409 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >[Attachment: RV 10 013.jpg] > >[Attachment: RV 10 015.jpg] > >[Attachment: RV 10 017.jpg] > >[Attachment: RV 10 022.jpg] > >[Attachment: RV 10 024.jpg] > >[Attachment: RV 10 027.jpg] > >


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    Time: 04:58:26 PM PST US
    From: "John Testement" <jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
    Subject: Comant installation question
    Here is my Comant mount under the rear seat. I put the wire in and dropped it out the bottom and then sealed up the floors. The antenna mounts from the outside with platenuts. John Testement jwt@roadmapscoaching.com 40321 Richmond, VA Paint prep and LOTS of misc stuff do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Brinkmeyer Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: RV10-List: Comant installation question --> <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> For those of you who attached Comant antennas on the fuse underside... Where exactly did you rivet your Comant doublers beneath the rear seats? The 2nd bay in or really in the outboard-most bay? Did you install the doublers and wire up the antennas and then rivet in the floor or did you save the floor final attach for later? I'm thinking I'll bugger up the antennas if I put 'em on now and close up the floors. Anyone have any photos of the actual installation? Thanks in advance, Jay TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ -- 4:23 PM -- 4:23 PM


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    Time: 05:46:13 PM PST US
    From: "Mike Kraus" <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
    Subject: AFP Purge Valve Cable Connection
    I have a few ideas on how to route and connect the Airflow Performance Purge Valve cable but were wondering how others hooked it up? Does anyone have any pictures of the attachment of the purge valve cable to the valve? Thanks -Mike


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    Time: 07:58:26 PM PST US
    From: "Dave Leikam" <DAVELEIKAM@wi.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: QB Wings
    Thanks Dave! Very helpful. Do you also have pics of your fuse stand? Dave Leikam 40496 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: David Maib To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:19 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: QB Wings Dave, here are some photos of our wings being delivered. The camera was set wrong so the colors are off, but you can see what they look like. http://web.mac.com/dmaib/iWeb/Mary%20and%20David%27s%20Excellent%20Advent ure/D-Day.html I made my wing cradles like the one shown here. They work great. Don't forget to anchor the spars to the cradle to avoid having one of them slip off and dent the leading edge while you are moving the cradle. Don't ask me how I know about this. http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/WingStand/index.html David Maib #40559 Wings On Mar 28, 2007, at 11:52 PM, Dave Leikam wrote: My QB wings and fuse are due to arrive next Tuesday. Does anyone have a good picture of the QB wings as they are when delivered? I want to build a wing cradle. I have looked at the pics on Tim's site and others, but I would still like to see what I will be dealing with. Dave Leikam 40496 Do not archive - The RV10-List Email Forum - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 08:12:16 PM PST US
    From: David Maib <dmaib@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: QB Wings
    My fuse stand is simply two sawhorses with short legs. David Maib 40559 wings do not archive On Mar 29, 2007, at 10:57 PM, Dave Leikam wrote: Thanks Dave! Very helpful. Do you also have pics of your fuse stand? Dave Leikam 40496 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: David Maib Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:19 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: QB Wings Dave, here are some photos of our wings being delivered. The camera was set wrong so the colors are off, but you can see what they look like. http://web.mac.com/dmaib/iWeb/Mary%20and%20David%27s%20Excellent% 20Adventure/D-Day.html I made my wing cradles like the one shown here. They work great. Don't forget to anchor the spars to the cradle to avoid having one of them slip off and dent the leading edge while you are moving the cradle. Don't ask me how I know about this. http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/WingStand/index.html David Maib #40559 Wings On Mar 28, 2007, at 11:52 PM, Dave Leikam wrote: My QB wings and fuse are due to arrive next Tuesday. Does anyone have a good picture of the QB wings as they are when delivered? I want to build a wing cradle. I have looked at the pics on Tim's site and others, but I would still like to see what I will be dealing with. Dave Leikam 40496 Do not archive - The RV10-List Email Forum - class="Apple-converted- space"> --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http:// www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhref="http:// forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List_- ============================================================ _- forums.matronics.com_- ===========================================================


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    Time: 09:57:40 PM PST US
    From: "DejaVu" <wvu@ameritel.net>
    Subject: Re: TAS and Vne & Flutter at Altitude
    First off, don't forget many other factors can kick off flutter than just turbulence. Secondly, I'm not so much worried about flutter at Vne as I am careful about exceeding the structural limits (G-limits) at this speed This is probably a good opportunity to point out exactly where the design limits are, then give some tolerance for altitude. According to the V-n diagram (attached): Vne - 230mph (200kts) Va - 145mph (126kts) If turbulence results in negative-G: Va- 100mph (87kts) You can see that accidentally going outside of the envelope can happen easily especially when negative-G forces are involved. When I am tired from fighting with turbulence trying to keep my body vertical is when I slow way down below the bottom of the yellow arc, at which point it's no longer fun to fly. On the other hand I wouldn't hesitate to explore the other end of the envelope but do it incrementally, in smooth air. Once turbulence is not a factor pay special attention to flutter near Vne. I've gone as far as 207mph. Anh N591VU-45hrs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: TAS and Vne & Flutter at Altitude > > > > I thought this was the whole purpose of the yellow arc... > And, thru any significant turbulence it's much wiser to ensure you're > also below Va, (maneuvering speed), which is also not a fixed number. > Va decreases as the gross wt. decreases....so a heavier plane has a > higher Va, and in any kind of significant turbulence you'd want to > be below Va. To complicate matters, some certified planes also > have a maximum turbulence penetration speed that is a separate > number. > > To me, this whole worry about Vne is pretty irrelevant to my > flying the RV-10, as I have no need or interest in passing up > the listed 200kts be it using IAS or TAS. But, the issue of > turbulence....now there's one that quickly gets my attention. > I don't often descend under full cruise power and it's not > to stay away from Vne, but to stay closer to the lower numbers > on the yellow arc, as I descend into the rougher air. In short, > I'm much more turbulence squeamish than a top-speed-monger. > John knows exactly some of which experiences helped to reinforce > that with me. Just smacked my head on the canopy 2 weeks ago too. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > >> 2) Is it safe to fly through turbulence at Vne? I know its the turbulence >> that kicks off the flutter but need to ask the question. Are there >> maximum stick forces that cannot be exceeded when recovering from this >> turbulence? Would the autopilot exceed these forces? > > >


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    Time: 09:58:48 PM PST US
    From: "DejaVu" <wvu@ameritel.net>
    Subject: Re: TAS and Vne & Flutter at Altitude
    Diagram attached this time. Anh




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