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1. 09:24 AM - Re: POM (Rick)
2. 09:57 AM - dimples in door halves don't line up? (Chris Johnston)
3. 10:01 AM - (JAMES MCCHESNEY)
4. 11:23 AM - Re: Zolatone (Larry Rosen)
5. 11:37 AM - Re: Interior paint!- correction (Pascal)
6. 03:09 PM - ELT and RJ11 cable. (John Gonzalez)
7. 04:40 PM - Re: ELT and RJ11 cable. (Larry Rosen)
8. 04:46 PM - Re: ELT and RJ11 cable. (Tim Olson)
9. 04:54 PM - Re: ELT and RJ11 cable. (Kevin Belue)
10. 04:56 PM - Re: ELT and RJ11 cable. (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
11. 04:59 PM - Re: POM (Tim Olson)
12. 05:27 PM - Re: ELT and RJ11 cable. (Jesse Saint)
13. 05:42 PM - Re: ELT and RJ11 cable. (Larry Rosen)
14. 06:13 PM - Re: dimples in door halves don't line up? (Rob Kermanj)
15. 06:18 PM - Re: ELT and RJ11 cable. (John Gonzalez)
16. 08:14 PM - Re: dimples in door halves don't line up? (Tim Olson)
17. 08:16 PM - Re: Manifold Pressure line ()
18. 09:14 PM - Gust locks (JSMcGrew@AOL.COM)
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Sorry bout that,
I asked for the file a few months ago, Gen Grumppy did tell me he recieved the
prginal from Tim, My intent was to NOT take credit myself for the POH. Gen made
no claim to glory when he sent it to me. Need to stop those late night replies.
;)
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | dimples in door halves don't line up? |
hey all -
forgive me if i sound like a bummer all the time, but remember when i
posted that i couldn't see all of the dimples molded into the door
halves? well, the ones i could see i drilled holes in like you're
supposed to, and i figured that all would become apparent when i got
them together. well, now the holes that i do have drilled don't line up
with eachother when i try to cleco the door halves together. i get 3
clecos in, and the other 2 holes that i do have drilled in the doors
don't line up. about 1/8" off in the worst case. so, the question is,
do i get it together so that it looks like i think it should and move
on? am i setting myself up for a disaster later? i'd love some
feedback on this. i'm not sure if i'm just being a baby, (waaa, my
parts don't fall together perfectly) or whether this is an issue that
will bite me later.
thanks
cj
#40410
finishing
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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Hey guys-
Just stumbled across this Zolatone thread on the RV Builders Hotline. I'm
building a -7A and plan to finish the interior with Zolatone. After reading
the Zolatone website I just about choked at the cost of the spry guns they
recommend. My local auto paint supplier sugested a "Shutz Gun" which is used
to apply automotive undercoatings. I wasn't convinced that this was a good
idea so I emailed Zolatone and got a very helpful reply regarding an
economical Harbor Freight based alternative. The trick is getting a gun with
as large enough spry tip for the texture particles. Here is the text of that
email. Hope this helps someone.
Jim,
Big time bad. Don't even try it because you can't do the necessary "sheer
coat" then "pattern coat" to properly to install our product as outlined on
our web site and master catalog.
Recently one outfit that does Airstream refurbish work in CO bought this
setup from Harbor Freight and he said it worked well. It is definitely lower
cost than DeVilbiss, Sata and Sharpe which have setups that sell for $500 -
$800.
---
Harbor Freight Pressure Pot Spray Gun Setup
According to an Airstream refurbisher in CO, this worked very well.
www.harborfreight.com
# 93305 Pressure Pot w/ Bad Gun $49.99
(Buy this and don't use the gun that comes with it)
# 43760 Good Gun w/ .082" Tip $19.99
(1 Qt siphon gun, detach from cup and use w/ pressure pot setup)
----
Hope this helps.
Sincerely,
Robert Hensley, Vice-President
Zolatone Automotive, Industrial & Marine
Div. Surface Protection Ind. Intl.
3411 E. 15th Street
Los Angeles, CA 90023
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| Subject: | Re: : RV10-List:Zolatone |
James,
Thanks for sharing this tip with us on the 10 list.
Larry Rosen
RV-10 #356
JAMES MCCHESNEY wrote:
>
> Hey guys-
>
> Just stumbled across this Zolatone thread on the RV Builders Hotline. I'm
> building a -7A and plan to finish the interior with Zolatone. After reading
> the Zolatone website I just about choked at the cost of the spry guns they
> recommend. My local auto paint supplier sugested a "Shutz Gun" which is used
> to apply automotive undercoatings. I wasn't convinced that this was a good
> idea so I emailed Zolatone and got a very helpful reply regarding an
> economical Harbor Freight based alternative. The trick is getting a gun with
> as large enough spry tip for the texture particles. Here is the text of that
> email. Hope this helps someone.
>
> Jim,
>
> Big time bad. Don't even try it because you can't do the necessary "sheer
> coat" then "pattern coat" to properly to install our product as outlined on
> our web site and master catalog.
>
> Recently one outfit that does Airstream refurbish work in CO bought this
> setup from Harbor Freight and he said it worked well. It is definitely lower
> cost than DeVilbiss, Sata and Sharpe which have setups that sell for $500 -
> $800.
> ---
> Harbor Freight Pressure Pot Spray Gun Setup
>
> According to an Airstream refurbisher in CO, this worked very well.
>
> www.harborfreight.com
>
> # 93305 Pressure Pot w/ Bad Gun $49.99
>
> (Buy this and don't use the gun that comes with it)
>
> # 43760 Good Gun w/ .082" Tip $19.99
>
> (1 Qt siphon gun, detach from cup and use w/ pressure pot setup)
>
> ----
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Robert Hensley, Vice-President
> Zolatone Automotive, Industrial & Marine
> Div. Surface Protection Ind. Intl.
> 3411 E. 15th Street
> Los Angeles, CA 90023
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Interior paint!- correction |
The never reached the group yesterday- trying again.
The number is 47016
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=47016 (it
> is $9.99 at the store)
The how to setup link
>> http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/techinfo/HVLPspraygun.html
Do Not Archive
Pascal
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>>> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>>>
>>> For a single use application like this you might want to check Harbor
>>> Freight or others el cheapo's. Surprisingly, several of their guns are
>>> quiet good including at least one of their pressure feeds. Make sure
>>> you are getting a big tip though, that's the key. Zolatone wants
>>> something in the .020 size which is quite large.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vern W. Smith
>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 12:27 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Interior paint!
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the link. I was hoping there was an alternative to buying a
>>> pressure feed spray gun and pot. Though it would be nice to have one.
>>>
>>> Vern (#324)
>>> Do not archive
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
>>> (Michael Sausen)
>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 9:50 AM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Interior paint!
>>>
>>> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>>>
>>> This stuff has been around for a while and is popular on some of the
>>> moldless composites like the Long because of its ability to hide
>>> inconsistencies. Details on spray equipment and prep is here:
>>>
>>> http://www.zolatoneaim.com/spray.html
>>>
>>> Michael Sausen
>>> -10 #352 Limbo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | ELT and RJ11 cable. |
Is RJ 11 cable simply 4 wire telephone cord. Is it the stuff you can buy at
Radio shack?
I need some right now and I rather not run down the hill for a one hour
outing. I might just cut some off the thirty foot extension I already have
that is being used to hook this computer up to the phone line. I'll replace
the cable tonight before my wife even knows its gone. HONEY, What's wrong
with the internet connection.
What, is it slower than usual??
JOhn G.
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| Subject: | Re: ELT and RJ11 cable. |
Same stuff.
Don't even cut it leave the manufacture connectors so you don't have to
replace them.
Larry
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> Is RJ 11 cable simply 4 wire telephone cord. Is it the stuff you can
> buy at Radio shack?
>
> I need some right now and I rather not run down the hill for a one
> hour outing. I might just cut some off the thirty foot extension I
> already have that is being used to hook this computer up to the phone
> line. I'll replace the cable tonight before my wife even knows its
> gone. HONEY, What's wrong with the internet connection.
>
> What, is it slower than usual??
>
> JOhn G.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ELT and RJ11 cable. |
Same cable John, but it's not pinned the same from what I understand.
I don't know the pinouts, but I think the cable is either rolled
or has a couple of crossed wires or something like that. I think
I'd wait for the real deal if you can.
Tim
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> Is RJ 11 cable simply 4 wire telephone cord. Is it the stuff you can buy
> at Radio shack?
>
> I need some right now and I rather not run down the hill for a one hour
> outing. I might just cut some off the thirty foot extension I already
> have that is being used to hook this computer up to the phone line. I'll
> replace the cable tonight before my wife even knows its gone. HONEY,
> What's wrong with the internet connection.
>
> What, is it slower than usual??
>
> JOhn G.
>
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| Subject: | Re: ELT and RJ11 cable. |
John,
In my experience, the wire is telephone wire, but the pinout is different. I
have an Ameri-king AK-450 and a telephone cord would not work as-is. I had
to cut off one connector and wire it differently - sorry, don't remember the
pinout (6 years ago).
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Rosen" <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ELT and RJ11 cable.
>
> Same stuff.
>
> Don't even cut it leave the manufacture connectors so you don't have to
> replace them.
>
> Larry
>
> John Gonzalez wrote:
>>
>> Is RJ 11 cable simply 4 wire telephone cord. Is it the stuff you can buy
>> at Radio shack?
>>
>> I need some right now and I rather not run down the hill for a one hour
>> outing. I might just cut some off the thirty foot extension I already
>> have that is being used to hook this computer up to the phone line. I'll
>> replace the cable tonight before my wife even knows its gone. HONEY,
>> What's wrong with the internet connection.
>>
>> What, is it slower than usual??
>>
>> JOhn G.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | ELT and RJ11 cable. |
Yes
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 5:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: ELT and RJ11 cable.
Is RJ 11 cable simply 4 wire telephone cord. Is it the stuff you can buy at
Radio shack?
I need some right now and I rather not run down the hill for a one hour
outing. I might just cut some off the thirty foot extension I already have
that is being used to hook this computer up to the phone line. I'll replace
the cable tonight before my wife even knows its gone. HONEY, What's wrong
with the internet connection.
What, is it slower than usual??
JOhn G.
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Well, I guess I can take part of the credit, but not all of it.
The original format with the words running vertically and stuff was
taken from a Beech Sundowner owner's checklist from a list I used
to be on. But, the content in the one that we're circulating
had to be completely -10'd up to make it match what we needed.
So yeah, I guess I did that part.
Regarding the POH: I've passed it around to a few people now,
with a couple requests...
1) If you have useful stuff to add to it, please copy me back
on it so that I can improve mine. I get lots of request for
the POH, so this will help others in the end too....personally,
unless the change is really nice, I'm happy with how it is, but
it would be nice to have a good W&B page and stuff like that.
I did add IO-540 performance data to mine too. Almost nobody
has ever written back with improvements to date.
2) Don't trust the V-speeds....use them as a guideline for your
first flights if you wish, but do go out and test for yourself.
The Vx and Vy in particular I didn't spend a lot of flights
verifying and re-verifying.
3) If you don't agree with, or don't like a particular checklist
procedure, then don't use it. We don't have identical planes,
and equipment, so we can't have identical checklists either. That's
why it's no use to do a "standard" printing of them. Also, some
people choose to fly differently than others. For instance, I
never go full-rich on landing until short final. I personally
don't think it's good for the engine, and plug fouling, and
at those low power settings on landing your engine will like you
if you keep it lean. But, some people want to go full rich
abeam the numbers on downwind. Fine. Don't bother trying to
change my opinion on it, and I won't bother trying to change
yours.
Now, If you WANT to have a discussion about it, I'm happy to,
and the list is a great place for that, but it's still something
where we can each reserve the right to have our own procedures.
4) Remember, just because one person wrote some content, if YOU
use the information in that checklist, you need to consider it
YOUR information. I'm not responsible for anything YOU do while
you fly your plane, even if my checklist procedures cause
you problems.....the PILOT has the sole responsibility for
his plane and passengers....a theory that I'm very glad we have
in piloting.
Other than that, have at it. Perhaps I should actually post
the POH one of these days, but due to the above, I have not
as of yet decided to make it 100% widely distributed. I had
hoped for some additional information back to improve it too.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Rick wrote:
>
> Sorry bout that,
>
> I asked for the file a few months ago, Gen Grumppy did tell me he
> recieved the prginal from Tim, My intent was to NOT take credit
> myself for the POH. Gen made no claim to glory when he sent it to me.
> Need to stop those late night replies. ;)
>
> Rick S. 40185
>
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| Subject: | ELT and RJ11 cable. |
I think you should be fine. Verify that the wires are the same or opposite
on both ends, then go ahead. I think, since it is flat cable, that the
wires are in the same order, so the question is the orientation of the ends.
You can see the colors, so that's fine. If you are going to run the wire
and don't want the whole length, just cut one end off (keep it so you can
verify the wire order later) and run the wire, then you can get another end
and borrow a crimper to put the new end on when you are ready for it.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: ELT and RJ11 cable.
Is RJ 11 cable simply 4 wire telephone cord. Is it the stuff you can buy at
Radio shack?
I need some right now and I rather not run down the hill for a one hour
outing. I might just cut some off the thirty foot extension I already have
that is being used to hook this computer up to the phone line. I'll replace
the cable tonight before my wife even knows its gone. HONEY, What's wrong
with the internet connection.
What, is it slower than usual??
JOhn G.
--
1:15 PM
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| Subject: | Re: ELT and RJ11 cable. |
I gave you bad information.
From the Ameri-King AK-450 installation manual
Note: The interconnecting wiring is a straight wiring configuration,
I.e. Pin 1 to 1, Pin 2 to 2, Pin 3 to 3, Pin 4 to 4.
.......
The wiring configuration is not a telephone application. (Telephone
application is a cross wire configuration, i.e. Pin 1 to 4, Pin 2 to 3,
Pin 4 to 1) To convert from cross wire to straight wire configuration,
just simply reverse either plug upside down.
Larry
Larry Rosen wrote:
>
> Same stuff.
>
> Don't even cut it leave the manufacture connectors so you don't have
> to replace them.
>
> Larry
>
> John Gonzalez wrote:
>> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>
>> Is RJ 11 cable simply 4 wire telephone cord. Is it the stuff you can
>> buy at Radio shack?
>>
>> I need some right now and I rather not run down the hill for a one
>> hour outing. I might just cut some off the thirty foot extension I
>> already have that is being used to hook this computer up to the phone
>> line. I'll replace the cable tonight before my wife even knows its
>> gone. HONEY, What's wrong with the internet connection.
>>
>> What, is it slower than usual??
>>
>> JOhn G.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: dimples in door halves don't line up? |
I am going to take a shot at this considering that I am not there
admiring your problem. I think that if your door halves mate nice
and snug against each other, the doors are not twisted when they sit
on the fuselage and you have the same clearance around the door
(looking from the inside), you are good to go.
Rob,
Flyimg - 130 hrs TT
On Mar 31, 2007, at 12:57 PM, Chris Johnston wrote:
> hey all -
>
> forgive me if i sound like a bummer all the time, but remember when
> i posted that i couldn't see all of the dimples molded into the
> door halves? well, the ones i could see i drilled holes in like
> you're supposed to, and i figured that all would become apparent
> when i got them together. well, now the holes that i do have
> drilled don't line up with eachother when i try to cleco the door
> halves together. i get 3 clecos in, and the other 2 holes that i
> do have drilled in the doors don't line up. about 1/8" off in the
> worst case. so, the question is, do i get it together so that it
> looks like i think it should and move on? am i setting myself up
> for a disaster later? i'd love some feedback on this. i'm not
> sure if i'm just being a baby, (waaa, my parts don't fall together
> perfectly) or whether this is an issue that will bite me later.
>
> thanks
>
> cj
> #40410
> finishing
> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
> <winmail.dat>
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| Subject: | Re: ELT and RJ11 cable. |
Thank you all for the information.
>From what I learned, Telephone application is 1-1,2-2,3-3,4-4. Networking
apllication is as you say Larry, 1-4, all others the same.
I need to cut one end off anyway. I forgot to run this wire and it is the
last one to go in, I have no more room inside the conduits. I got both the
solenoid wires in as I had forgotten them also. Remember dual Batts.
Thanks all for the speedy replies.
JOhn G. Do NOt Archive
>From: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: ELT and RJ11 cable.
>Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:38:35 -0400
>
>
>I gave you bad information.
>
>From the Ameri-King AK-450 installation manual
>
>Note: The interconnecting wiring is a straight wiring configuration, I.e.
>Pin 1 to 1, Pin 2 to 2, Pin 3 to 3, Pin 4 to 4.
>.......
>The wiring configuration is not a telephone application. (Telephone
>application is a cross wire configuration, i.e. Pin 1 to 4, Pin 2 to 3, Pin
>4 to 1) To convert from cross wire to straight wire configuration, just
>simply reverse either plug upside down.
>
>Larry
>
>Larry Rosen wrote:
>>
>>Same stuff.
>>
>>Don't even cut it leave the manufacture connectors so you don't have to
>>replace them.
>>
>>Larry
>>
>>John Gonzalez wrote:
>>>
>>>Is RJ 11 cable simply 4 wire telephone cord. Is it the stuff you can buy
>>>at Radio shack?
>>>
>>>I need some right now and I rather not run down the hill for a one hour
>>>outing. I might just cut some off the thirty foot extension I already
>>>have that is being used to hook this computer up to the phone line. I'll
>>>replace the cable tonight before my wife even knows its gone. HONEY,
>>>What's wrong with the internet connection.
>>>
>>>What, is it slower than usual??
>>>
>>>JOhn G.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: dimples in door halves don't line up? |
I'd agree with Rob, cj....if you match the halves up good, and the gap
around the inside looks nice, there's not a whole lot to worry about.
The outside gets trimmed to fit, so you just need to ensure the
inside looks respectable. Also, you can verify that the window
opening area looks reasonably nice together. Other than this as
guidance, it's hard to know what else to give without being right
there to see it first hand.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Rob Kermanj wrote:
>
> I am going to take a shot at this considering that I am not there
> admiring your problem. I think that if your door halves mate nice and
> snug against each other, the doors are not twisted when they sit on the
> fuselage and you have the same clearance around the door (looking from
> the inside), you are good to go.
>
> Rob,
> Flyimg - 130 hrs TT
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| Subject: | RE: Manifold Pressure line |
I've got a Grand Rapids EIS and the installation instructions are kind
of lacking in the area of actually hooking up the manifold pressure line
to the engine. Is the easiest way to do it just to get Van's hose kit,
or is there an alternative?
TDT
40025
Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
tdt@aurora.aero
617-401-2522
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Has anyone come up with a good method for installing gust locks on the
rudder / flight controls?
It seems it would be a good idea if you were going to park outside for any
length of time.
-Jim
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Jim "Scooter" McGrew
_http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew_ (http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew)
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